[01:40] <Burgundavia> desrt: you around?
[01:41] <bhale> hi Burgundavia 
[01:41] <Burgundavia> I am unable to get on irc.gimp.ca
[01:41] <Burgundavia> are you having issues with gimpnet?
[01:41] <bhale> no
[01:41] <Burgundavia> hmm
[01:42] <bhale> -|- gnome: irc.gnome.org:6667 ()
[01:42] <bhale> oops
[01:44] <Burgundavia> ok, attempting to close gimpnet crashed x-g
[03:47] <wasabi_> so here i am at wild palms
[03:48] <wasabi_> who else is present? ;)
[03:49] <wasabi_> gah n770 xchat
[03:50] <evand> I'm here
[03:50] <wasabi_> me->lobby
[04:11] <wasabi_> metrofree is a flakey
[04:11] <wasabi_> a bit
[04:12] <evand> the wifi service? yeah, i noticed that as well
[04:25] <Burgundavia> evand: greets
[04:29] <jsgotangco> hi
[05:33] <desrt> where is everyone?
[05:33] <desrt> is there #-summit or such?
[05:35] <crimsun> desrt: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-November/000218.html
[05:36] <desrt> crimsun; are you here?
[05:36] <crimsun> desrt: "here" being in Mtn View, CA? If so, no.
[05:37] <desrt> shame :(
[05:38] <wasabi_> im "here"
[05:38] <jsgotangco> nice
[05:38] <wasabi_> nobody on irc it seems
[05:39] <wasabi_> guees they're all sitting in the lobby
[05:39] <jsgotangco> :(
[05:40] <neuralis> i'm here and starved; need to go track down a place to eat
[05:40] <desrt> me too
[05:40] <desrt> meet me... [somewhere] ?
[05:41] <wasabi_> haha
[05:41] <wasabi_> i ate at the persian place down the street
[05:41] <desrt> hmm
[05:41] <desrt> what do they have?
[05:41] <wasabi_> persian food.
[05:41] <wasabi_> falaffal, that kinda stuff.
[05:41] <desrt> that's a pretty wide catagory :)
[05:42] <wasabi_> i had this lental+eggplant thing
[05:42] <desrt> oh. that's lebanese
[05:42] <desrt> there are a lot of people who are not here :(
[05:43] <wasabi_> as in not coming or not here yet?
[05:43] <wasabi_> im in my room too. watching tv.
[05:43] <wasabi_> YAY FOR IRC
[05:43] <desrt> anyone know if sebuild and sebuild jr. are here?
[05:43] <jsgotangco> where are you guys staying?
[05:43] <wasabi_> "the hotel"
[05:43] <desrt> google:wild palms hotel
[05:43] <jsgotangco> ahh nice
[05:43] <wasabi_> okay lets head towards the lobby or something
[05:43] <desrt> ok
[05:43] <wasabi_> i have to put cloths on my gf first. hold on.
[05:43] <desrt> do you figure the rooms are safe nough to leave shit in?
[05:43] <wasabi_> oh yeah. totally.
[05:44] <Ng> desrt: there are safes in the wardrobes
[05:44] <desrt> if my laptop goes missing it's on you
[05:44] <desrt> oh.  sweet!
[05:44] <wasabi_> there's a safe in yoru closet.
[05:44] <jsgotangco> haha
[05:44] <wasabi_> yeah
[05:44] <Ng> big enough for not-unreasonably-large laptops at least
[05:44] <neuralis> but do you get wifi reception in the safe?
[05:44] <TheMuso> hahaha
[05:44] <desrt> heh
[05:44] <desrt> or recharging
[05:44] <wasabi_> i barely get wifi reception outside the safe
[05:45] <wasabi_> I have one bar on nm.
[05:45] <Ng> no eth cable?
[05:45] <wasabi_> This metrowifi thing is awesome though
[05:45] <wasabi_> free wifi all over the city
[05:45] <neuralis> i recommend congregating on front of a specific room, otherwise we'll need to play the identification game if we meet next to a bunch of other people
[05:45] <neuralis> s/on front/in front/
[05:45] <desrt> metrowifi is EVIL
[05:45] <wasabi_> I'm a red head in a blue shirt.
[05:45] <wasabi_> haha
[05:45] <desrt> thank god for my VPN connection
[05:45] <wasabi_> With the hot girl.
[05:45] <desrt> bye bye evilproxy
[05:45] <wasabi_> We need name badges.
[05:45] <wasabi_> desrt:  room #? we can go there. =0
[05:46] <jdub> have a fun week dudes :-)
[05:46] <wasabi_> jdub: =(
[05:46] <jsgotangco> hehehe
[05:46] <Ng> wasabi_: you get name badges tomorrow
[05:46] <jsgotangco> jdub: dude!
[05:46] <neuralis> wasabi_, desrt: 1292 in 10 minutes?
[05:46] <wasabi_> sure that works.
[05:46] <wasabi_> 1292, building 1 floor 2?
[05:46] <jsgotangco> TheMuso: hahaha
[05:47] <neuralis> wasabi_: standard first floor (up one flight of stairs)
[05:48] <wasabi_> oh
[05:48] <wasabi_> i guess i don't yet understand the numbers
[05:50] <wasabi_> okay heading out
[05:50] <wasabi_> 1292 here i come heh
[05:51] <evand> Burgundavia: howdy.  Are you attending the summit?
[05:51] <Burgundavia> sadly, nope
[05:52] <evand> damn, I was hoping to touch base with you
[05:53] <Burgundavia> so was I
[05:53] <Burgundavia> I might be there for later in the week, but that is very iffy at this poing
[05:54] <evand> ok
[06:33] <YokoZar> Ok, I just found out about the conference in mountainview tomorrow, but can only go for Sunday.  I'd like to talk about Wine...what can I do?
[06:34] <neuralis> YokoZar: it's unlikely you can get a spec in and scheduled for tomorrow at this point; i would recommend showing up and just grabbing the people you want to talk to over a meal or such
[06:35] <YokoZar> Also, I hear Google is offering us free food from their world class cafeteria.  True?
[08:33] <sivang> morning
[09:05] <ubuntu_demon> hey
[09:05] <ubuntu_demon> We arrived at the hotel :)
[09:06] <jsgotangco> hi
[09:06] <jsgotangco> ohhh
[09:06] <jsgotangco> have a nice time
[09:07] <jsgotangco> i couldn't come this time, it would have been nice to see you again
[09:07] <ubuntu_demon> jsgotangco: thanks :)
[09:07] <ubuntu_demon> jsgotangco: too bad you couldn't come :(
[09:07] <ubuntu_demon> jsgotangco: but maybe we'll meet at some future UDS someday
[09:07] <jsgotangco> there's always feisty+1 planning ;)
[09:08] <ubuntu_demon> :)
[09:08] <ubuntu_demon> It took me 28 hours of travelling and delays to get here
[09:08] <jsgotangco> sucks to be in a plane for more than a day huh
[09:08] <jsgotangco> especially its your first time ;)
[09:09] <ubuntu_demon> we mostly sat at airports
[09:09] <ubuntu_demon> the actual flying time was about 15 hours
[09:10] <TheMuso> ubuntu_demon: sucks doesn't it.
[09:10] <ubuntu_demon> we missed the connection from Houston to San Fransisco
[09:10] <jsgotangco> heh i remember in Paris, I almost missed my flight in a few minutes
[09:10] <ubuntu_demon> TheMuso: flying was nice but the waiting at the airports wasn't
[09:10] <TheMuso> jsgotangco: wow
[09:11] <ubuntu_demon> jsgotangco: you got lucky then :)
[09:11] <TheMuso> Coming home, I flew Parris to Dubai, and from Dubai back to Sydney, which was 13 hours.
[09:11] <TheMuso> That flight alone really sucked.
[09:11] <jsgotangco> I remember me and ubuntu_demon were in the same cab
[09:11] <ubuntu_demon> jsgotangco: I remember that too ;)
[09:12] <ubuntu_demon> TheMuso: did we meet in Paris ? what's your normal name ?
[09:12] <TheMuso> ubuntu_demon: I don't think we did. My name is Luke.
[09:12] <ubuntu_demon> TheMuso: But you was present at UDS Paris ?
[09:12] <ubuntu_demon> TheMuso: I'm Roald
[09:12] <TheMuso> Yes I was.
[09:13] <TheMuso> ubuntu_demon: I know.
[09:13] <TheMuso> But I am sure we didn't meat in person.
[09:13] <jsgotangco> oh he's one big meat for sure
[09:13] <TheMuso> jsgotangco: lol
[09:13] <ubuntu_demon> TheMuso: what's your launchpad nick ?
[09:14] <TheMuso> ubuntu_demon: themuso
[09:15] <ubuntu_demon> TheMuso: I did meet Henrik. So we didn't meet ?
[09:15] <TheMuso> Not as far as I remember.
[09:15] <ubuntu_demon> TheMuso: same here :)
[09:15] <jsgotangco> heh a week is not really enough to meet and talk with everyone in a summit
[09:16] <TheMuso> jsgotangco: Damn right./
[09:16] <jsgotangco> unless you get drunk all night
[09:18] <TheMuso> I'm feeling saddened not to be there at this one though, after the enjoyment of Parris.
[09:18] <ubuntu_demon> Paris was great.
[09:22] <sladen> TheMuso: have you attempted to get VoIP working yet?
[09:22] <TheMuso> sladen: I already have an ekiga account set up from a few weeks back.
[09:23] <TheMuso> But there aren't many accessibility specs this time round.
[09:23] <TheMuso> Only one or two.
[09:23] <jsgotangco> sladen: it would be shocking to know if you're not going there :)
[09:29] <ubuntu_demon> I don't have time to test VOIP now. I'm going to sleep to be able to get up tomorrow morning. Good night!
[09:29] <sladen> TheMuso: they've changed the design, you'll need to get a 'voip.canonical.com' account for the streams
[09:29] <sladen> jsgotangco: would be shocking wouldn't it.  I haven't booked anything (yet)
[09:29] <ogra> sleep is overrated
[09:29] <jsgotangco> haha
[09:29] <sladen> jsgotangco: although it did cross my mind yesterday
[09:29] <jsgotangco> "sleep is for the weak"
[09:30] <ubuntu_demon> :p
[09:30] <ubuntu_demon> bye!
[09:35] <ogra> somehow this place feels like ubuntu-disneyland
[09:37] <sivang> ogra: heh
[09:40] <Burgundavia> ogra: ubuntu disneyland?
[09:40] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[09:40] <ogra> you should see the hotel
[09:41] <Amaranth> GoogleWifi ftw
[09:41] <BHSPitLappy> what?
[09:41] <Amaranth> it's got a better signal than my hotel's wifi
[09:43] <BHSPitLappy> where are you?
[09:43] <Amaranth> quality inn
[09:44] <Amaranth> right down the freeway from google
[09:48] <ogra> Amaranth, your are here ????
[09:50] <Amaranth> ogra: yes :)
[09:51] <Amaranth> this place is huge... :P
[09:51] <Amaranth> my city has 80,000 people :)
[09:52] <ogra> \o/
[09:52] <Amaranth> my ears still won't pop :/
[09:52] <BHSPitLappy> use a hammer
[09:52] <sivang> ogra: google have a hotel as well? :)
[09:56] <ogra> sivang, no, its the wilr palms hotel in sunnyvale 
[09:57] <pygi> hey ogra ^_^
[09:57] <ivoks> hi ogra and pygi :)
[09:58] <sivang> hey ivoks
[09:58] <ivoks> hi sivang 
[09:58] <Amaranth> i think ajmitch is in this hotel
[09:58] <lastnode> Amaranth, want something to kill some time? :-)
[09:59] <Amaranth> heh, what?
[09:59] <ivoks> pih... everybody is at google.. pih... big deal :)
[09:59] <jsgotangco> haha
[09:59] <lastnode> Amaranth, have a look at - http://upstreamdev.org/wiki/Releases/0.1.0 , and test the .debs for us :-)
[09:59] <Amaranth> hehe
[10:00] <pygi> ogra: any chance of answer to yesterdays questions before the connection dropped? :P
[10:02] <sivang> Amaranth: SoC tour of google? :)
[10:02] <Amaranth> yeah
[10:02] <Amaranth> Summer of Code
[10:02] <ivoks> lol
[10:02] <sivang> Amaranth: heh, I know what SoC is, do they have GoogleTours now? ;>
[10:02] <jsgotangco> ahaha
[10:02] <Amaranth> hehe
[10:03] <jsgotangco> seems to be a good sprint for edubuntu now
[10:03] <Amaranth> damn ears
[10:03] <Amaranth> everything sounds like it's really far away
[11:07] <Administrator__> will update-grub work, when invoked within a chroot env?
[11:18] <prada> I am trying to install Ubuntu on a second HDD. During the Partition, I get an error that says "Unable to instal selected Kernel"
[11:22] <Hobbsee> Administrator__: is grub even installed in a chroot environment?
[11:22] <Administrator__> Hobbsee, it does the following:
[11:22] <Administrator__>  I'm creating a recovery cd, ( boot > restore partition table > mkfs > mount > restore with big tarball) so I assuming that someone will mess up grub and mbr(worst case scenario), I was wondering if just backing up the mbr with dd would be sufficient?
[11:23] <Administrator__> or update-grub
[11:23] <Hobbsee> no idea, sorry
[11:23] <Administrator__> how does the ubuntu-installer install grub ?
[11:23] <prada> Hobbsee?
[11:24] <Hobbsee> pass
[11:24] <prada> Huh?
[11:26] <prada> Hey, there are not many girls that Use Linux. Be nice to the ones that try to
[11:26] <Hobbsee> sure, i am one :)
[11:26] <Hobbsee> but i dont know
[11:26] <Treenaks> Administrator__: grub-install :)
[11:26] <geser> Administrator__: update-grub updates only the menu.lst, to install grub use grub-install or the grub shell
[11:27] <prada> you are a girl
[11:28] <jsgotangco> haha
[11:29] <tfheen> hiya jsgotangco 
[11:30] <sivang> hey tfheen, 'sup?
[11:30] <Administrator__> Well guys, does one of you know how the ubuntu installer solves this?
[11:30] <jsgotangco> hey tfheen how's mountain view
[11:30] <tfheen> sivang: it's half past two in the night, but my internal clock thinks it's 11:30, so sleeping is hard.
[11:31] <Treenaks> Administrator__: it just calls grub-install, afaik
[11:32] <jsgotangco> its hard to live in the past when you are from the future
[11:32] <tfheen> jsgotangco: got in about 12 hours ago, half of which I've spent in bed, sleeping.
[11:33] <TheMuso> Heh gotta love that jet lag.
[11:34] <tfheen> I'm going to try to get some sleep in a little bit
[11:34] <Hobbsee> prada: yes
[11:34] <Hobbsee> hey tfheen 
[11:35] <Administrator__> Treenaks, where does one get it's source?
[11:35] <Hobbsee> right.  it must be time for some merging.  feisty pbuilder is created
[11:35] <Hobbsee> painlessly, even
[11:35] <Treenaks> Administrator__: of the installer? apt-get source casper, I guess
[11:36] <tfheen> the live installer is ubiquity, not casper.
[11:36] <Treenaks> oh wait
[11:36] <tfheen> casper is the live cd framework
[11:36] <prada> Saddam has been found quilty...Sentence to death..
[11:37] <prada> just watching the news
[11:37] <Treenaks> prada: off-topic. please take it to a news channel.
[11:37] <tfheen> prada: that is hardly on-topic for this channel
[11:37] <Treenaks> tfheen: ah! THAT's the difference! :)
[11:37] <prada> well i need help
[11:37] <prada> i have ask
[11:38] <prada> death by hanging
[11:39] <sivang> tfheen: oh dear, try to see if they have late night jacuzzi sessions, so you could go and relax there :)
[11:39] <tfheen> sivang: 0600-2230, iirc
[11:39] <sivang> tfheen: ah, crap, anyway take care
[11:39] <prada> I am trying to install Ubuntu on a second HDD. During the Partition, I get an error that says "Unable to instal selected Kernel"
[11:40] <sivang> tfheen: I can feel the sadness feeling not being able to be there and loose sleep with you :)
[11:40] <jsgotangco> hehe
[11:40] <TheMuso> sivang: Likewise.
[11:43] <tfheen> sivang: heh. :-)
[11:44] <tfheen> prada: this channel is not for support questions, I'm sorry.
[11:50] <prada> well u helped build the crap
[11:50] <prada> figured u would know
[11:51] <tfheen> whether I or anybody know how to fix it or not is irrelevant; it's not appropriate for this channel.
[12:05] <prada> who are you tfheen?
[12:06] <prada> what have u done so great for 
[12:06] <prada> unbuntu
[12:07] <crimsun> prada: this is becoming off-topic. See his LP page: https://launchpad.net/people/tfheen
[12:07] <prada> Ubuntu
[12:07] <Treenaks> prada: Stop trolling, please.
[12:07] <tfheen> prada: I'm the ubuntu release manager as well as the primary maintainer of casper and the amd64 port.  Why?
[12:08] <prada> Stop thinking you are better than everyone else
[12:08] <crimsun> why are you being defensive? The topic clearly notes this channel is not used for support.
[12:09] <prada> I would have left a long time ago..if I got an answer
[12:09] <tfheen> prada: uh?  I'm telling you you are offtopic for this channel.  That has nothing to do with "being better" than anybody else (which is a silly thing to say anyway)
[12:10] <prada> Kinda dumb when you have to start to beg for help....How old is everyone in this room
[12:10] <jsgotangco> oh boy
[12:11] <jsgotangco> see topic!
[12:11] <Treenaks> prada: this is not a supoprt channel, if you want help, it's better to just go to #ubuntu and ask there.
[12:17] <prada> Treenaks!!!!! trolling is stretching it...TRUST ME. this is the last place I would consider a blast to be
[12:18] <pygi> prada: please stop this campaign of non-sense. Just read the topic.
[12:18] <prada> Pygi! how old are you
[12:19] <pygi> prada: now tell me what the age has to do with anything? I'm a little baby :)
[12:19] <prada> figured
[12:25] <prada> this is so dumb....I am starting to think no one knows anyway...Insecure people...thinking they have POWER over a channel.hahah...this is the only place you have it...so all of u in here keep on throwing the weight around, most likely its lard not power
[12:26] <Hobbsee> prada: have you heard of the ubuntu developer summit?
[12:26] <Hobbsee> prada: right now, that's where a lot of the developers are going, including the ones who know the answer to your question
[12:27] <Hobbsee> prada: and right now, it's the middle of the night there, and they're all asleep
[12:27] <pygi> prada: and once again, this is *NOT* a support channel
[12:28] <prada> Shutup pigy
[12:28] <tfheen> Hobbsee: thanks.
[12:28] <Hobbsee> tfheen: not a problem
[12:28] <tfheen> but isn't that ban a bit wide?  Catching all chatzilla users from satx.res.rr.com?
[12:29] <Hobbsee> aww bugger, i just installed edgy with the wrong keymap
[12:29] <tfheen> I guess we can remove it in a bit
[12:29] <Hobbsee> tfheen: yeah, it was.  i'm not in my normal client
[12:29] <Hobbsee> tfheen: when i am, i'll narrow it down a bit, if at all possible
[12:29] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee: isn
[12:29] <Burgundavia> isn't irc wonderfully arcane?
[12:30] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: haha.  irssi si
[12:30] <Hobbsee> *is
[12:30] <Burgundavia> all of irc is
[12:30] <Spads> Hobbsee: You may enjoy /knockout (default alias /kn), as that unbans people after a short cooling off period
[12:30] <Hobbsee> that being said, i do like +d bans
[12:30] <Hobbsee> Spads: nice!
[12:31] <Spads> Hobbsee: It's apparently been in irssi for a long while, but I only discovered it last year
[12:32] <Hobbsee> Spads: :)
[12:32] <Hobbsee> Spads: i prefer to +d, but i cant in this case
[12:33] <Spads> Hobbsee: what's a +d?
[12:33] <Hobbsee> Spads: a very special ban :)
[12:33] <Hobbsee> real name ban
[12:34] <mc44> is it going to be possible to join the UDS VOIP sessions even if I dont have a microphone (obviously I wont be able to talk :)?
[12:34] <Hobbsee> mc44: it was last time.  what are we using this time?
[12:35] <Hobbsee> Spads: ^
[12:35] <mc44> Hobbsee: Ekiga I belive
[12:35] <Spads> SIP
[12:35] <Hobbsee> oh nich
[12:35] <Hobbsee> *nice!
[12:36] <Hobbsee> yay for manual ops stuff :)
[12:36] <jsgotangco> its a shame i'll be sleeping while the summit starts
[12:36] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: indeed.  same problem here, of course.  it'd be far better if the world was flat
[12:37] <Spads> We actually recommend twinkle
[12:37] <luisbg> what time is it right now in local time of the summit?
[12:37] <Spads> Sun Nov  5 03:37:46 PST 2006
[12:37] <mc44> Spads: are you around to create VOIP accounts now?
[12:37] <Spads> mc44: briefly, yes
[12:38] <Hobbsee> tfheen: what's the time there?
[12:38] <tfheen> Hobbsee: what Spads said; 03:38
[12:38] <Hobbsee> oh, missed it, sorry
[12:39] <luisbg> so 5 and half hours for the summit to start?
[12:39] <Hobbsee> Spads: how do we get VOIP accounts to participate?
[12:39] <tfheen> luisbg: something like that, yes.
[12:39] <Hobbsee> seeing as i missed that too, previously
[12:39] <tfheen> I should probably try to catch a bit of sleep
[12:39] <Hobbsee> tfheen: indeed.
[12:40] <luisbg> is there going to be activity here in irc...or since everybody can talk in person irc will be desertic?
[12:40] <jsgotangco> luisbg: there will be some, but most of the time it'll be chatter instead of actualy summit proceedings
[12:41] <luisbg> jsgotangco, ok
[12:50] <Spads> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Participate
[12:50] <Spads> I'm around to make accounts now, but I will be leaving at some point
[12:54] <highvoltage> Spads: can I get an account?
[12:54] <Spads> highvoltage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Participate
[12:54] <highvoltage> oops, I won't be able to test now, I think I'll ask on -sysadmin a bit later
[12:55] <highvoltage> (don't have a mic on this laptop)
[12:55] <Spads> ok
[12:55] <Spads> we need to test when you get your account
[01:17] <jsgotangco> ahh an account needs to be created
[03:34] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:34] <pygi> hey bddebian :)
[03:35] <bddebian> Morning pygi
[03:53] <sivang> hmm, so LP already has feisty in, is it already open to uploads?
[03:53] <bmonty> not yet
[03:53] <sivang> okay, cool, just wanted to make sure I'm not missing the merge fun
[03:53] <bmonty> there was a post on that on ubuntu-devel a couple days ago
[03:54] <ajmitch> morning all
[03:54] <pygi> hey ajmitch 
[03:54] <dsas> people are already filing sync requests though..
[03:54] <bmonty> hey ajmitch
[03:54] <sivang> dsas: for main or universe?
[03:55] <dsas> universe are the only ones I've noticed get filed so far.
[03:55] <ajmitch> sivang: for both, where there are changes to be dropped
[03:55] <sivang> ajmitch: I see
[04:00] <evand> good morning
[04:01] <pygi> hey evand 
[04:01] <evand> howdy
[04:02] <ajmitch> morning mpt, how's the hotel?
[04:03] <zul> hey
[04:03] <mpt> ajmitch, pretty and adequate
[04:04] <sivang> discussions start on Monday right?
[04:05] <mpt> This morning, I think
[04:05] <ajmitch> yeah, we're walking to google after breakfast
[04:06] <mpt> "the summit [will]  commence @ 09.00hrs on Sunday 5th November"
[04:06] <zul> schedule is up i think
[04:07] <ajmitch> morning zul 
[04:07] <Amaranth> ajmitch: what hotel are you in?
[04:07] <ajmitch> Amaranth: quality inn, room 130
[04:07] <Amaranth> ajmitch: room 118
[04:07] <ajmitch> best part about it - everyone snores in here :)
[04:08] <Amaranth> heh
[04:08] <Amaranth> it's a _long_ hallway
[04:09] <stgraber> we know that will be number from 5001 to 5016, the rest we don't :)
[04:09] <sivang> ajmitch: this is the canonical hotel as well ?
[04:09] <stgraber> we can try to join all of them one by one and ask :)
[04:09] <wasabi_> ajmitch: quality inn?
[04:09] <wasabi_> im at the wild palms
[04:09] <zul> ditto
[04:11] <Amaranth> he actually walked down the hall :P
[04:11] <ajmitch> wasabi_: yep
[04:12] <Amaranth> ajmitch: are you on GoogleWifi?
[04:12] <ajmitch> sivang: no, it's not
[04:12] <Amaranth> i get better signal with them then the hotel wifi
[04:12] <fabbione> GOOD MORNING SFO!
[04:12] <ajmitch> Amaranth: poor signal here with googlewifi
[04:12] <zul> hey fabbione 
[04:12] <ajmitch> morning fabbione 
[04:12] <Amaranth> 54% with google, something less with hotel's
[04:12] <wasabi_> it's like 7am or something bleh
[04:12] <Amaranth> heh
[04:13] <Amaranth> i didn't get to bed until 2am
[04:13] <zul> heh breakfash in half-hourish
[04:13] <wasabi_> yeah whens that startr?
[04:13] <Amaranth> didn't get here until after midnight, damn trains
[04:13] <wasabi_> me and desrt and some brit guy went and got drunk last night
[04:13] <Amaranth> heh
[04:13] <Amaranth> Figures. :P
[04:15] <mconnor> man, where can you get drunk in Sunnyvale?
[04:15] <wasabi_> down the street, biker bar.
[04:15] <wasabi_> heh
[04:15] <mconnor> I will keep that in mind next week!
[04:16] <mconnor> assuming I don't just get drunk at the office
[04:16] <Amaranth> ajmitch: google maps says we're 2.9 miles (4.6km) away
[04:16] <wasabi_> away from what?
[04:16] <wasabi_> i was just thinking yall could head tot he hotel, and grab the shuttle. save some distance
[04:17] <Amaranth> nope, wild palms is further away
[04:17] <wasabi_> ahh
[04:17] <Amaranth> yeah, wild palms is 7 miles away
[04:18] <Amaranth> in the opposite direction
[04:18] <wasabi_> so what time do the shuttles get here? my email is down. =(
[04:18] <zul> 8:30ish i think
[04:18] <fabbione> wasabi: from wild palms?
[04:18] <wasabi_> yeah
[04:18] <fabbione> the first bus leaves at 8
[04:18] <fabbione> the last one at 8:30
[04:18] <wasabi_> oh ok
[04:18] <fabbione> but i am pretty sure we need to spread across busses
[04:18] <fabbione> if we show all up at 8:30 we won't fit
[04:18] <wasabi_> yeah there's a lot of people here
[04:19] <ogra> *YAWN*
[04:19] <ogra> morning
[04:20] <wasabi_> hmm. wish my laptop coudl change its time on it's own.
[04:23] <ajmitch> morning ogra
[04:23] <ogra> hey ajmitch 
[04:33] <Amaranth> haha
[04:33] <Amaranth> i found the usb cable for my ipod
[04:33] <Amaranth> i thought i had forgotten it
[04:34] <Amaranth> but wait, it gets funnier
[04:34] <Amaranth> I forgot the iPod.
[04:34] <stgraber> :)
[04:34] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:38] <Amaranth> time for breakfast
[05:16] <arf`> ouch
[05:16] <arf`> where is the boss, please? =)
[05:18] <pygi> arf`, there is no bosses around here
[05:19] <pygi> are no
[05:19] <arf`> =)
[05:19] <arf`> I know
[05:19] <arf`> pygi: not for support, but strange question
[05:19] <arf`> didn't know where to ask
[05:20] <arf`> why is there a 127.0.1.1 = hostname in /etc/hosts?
[05:21] <arf`> I desperate, nobody knows :(
[05:22] <netpython> bait maybe:P
[05:25] <bmonty> arf`: I don't know the answer, but a google search for "127.0.1.1" gets a lot of hits...might be something there
[05:25] <arf`> I searched
[05:25] <bmonty> if you don't like it, you could always remove it
[05:25] <arf`> I'm coming here as last chance
[05:26] <arf`> bmonty: ok, but removing won't explain :)
[05:26] <netpython> is xorg statically linked in ubuntu?
[05:26] <bmonty> arf`: true
[05:27] <arf`> I've searched, I've asked, I wan't to know :)
[05:29] <minghua> arf`: the 127.0.1.1 is something inherited from debian
[05:29] <minghua> arf`: as far as I know debian has reverted that change now
[05:30] <minghua> 127.0.1.1 is not different from 127.0.0.1 anyway
[05:30] <ivoks> it's not
[05:30] <arf`> minghua: yeah, more surprising to me
[05:30] <ivoks> 127.0.45.67 or 127.4.8.3 or 127.0.0.1 or 127.0.1.1 - it's all the same
[05:30] <arf`> ivoks, exactly, so why?
[05:31] <ivoks> name resolving
[05:31] <arf`> if no use... why
[05:31] <arf`> if use, what?
[05:31] <minghua> oh, probably debian hasn't reverted the change
[05:32] <arf`> minghua: I've never seen that with debian for the last 6 years...
[05:32] <ivoks> let's say box is hostname of your machine
[05:32] <minghua> it only appears in certain cases, which explain why I don't have it in the current computer
[05:32] <minghua> arf`: it's a quite recent change
[05:32] <minghua> debian bug #316099 for those interested
[05:32] <ivoks> you have different addresses for localhost and box
[05:32] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 316099 in netcfg "Please give system hostname IP address 127.0.1.1" [Unknown,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/316099
[05:33] <arf`> wow
[05:34] <minghua> (the correct way to google is "127.0.1.1 site:lists.debian.org" BTW :-)
[05:35] <arf`> as I didn't saw in debian, I didn't seek so hard by this way
[05:35] <arf`> (sorry if strange english...)
[05:35] <arf`> yeeapah
[05:36] <minghua> arf`: I didn't blame you. :-)  I searched this way because I remember seeing this discussion on debian-boot list
[05:36] <arf`> :)
[05:36] <arf`> thousand kiss for freeing me
[05:38] <arf`> ok, I'm going to let you to better matter, thanks ! Lights on you :)
[06:11] <pygi> yay :)
[06:13] <iwj> Oops, it seems I forgot to set myself away before departing.
[06:14] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:18] <cjwatson> Keybuk: are the sync ponies fed and watered?
[06:19] <highvoltage> :)
[06:20] <poningru> anyone know how I can listen to the speeches?
[06:21] <bmonty> poningru: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Participate
[06:21] <highvoltage> strange. when don't remember making that smiley face.
[06:21] <Keybuk> cjwatson: they are champing at their bits
[06:22] <Keybuk> cjwatson: has a rubber duck been taken to feisty?
[06:22] <highvoltage> cjwatson: are you busy? I'd like to ask your opinion on something
[06:22] <infinity> Ooo, someone opened feisty while I was travelling and/or sleeping.
[06:22] <infinity> Yay.
[06:22] <cjwatson> Keybuk: apparently
[06:22] <pitti> yay
[06:22] <cjwatson> highvoltage: in the opening session at UDS
[06:22] <Keybuk> Ok, SYNCING NOW!
[06:22] <cjwatson> highvoltage: feel free to ask and I'll respond when I can
[06:24] <highvoltage> cjwatson: ok. I asked ogra and he said I should ask you/Kamion instead. I work on an edubuntu derivative, and some local people weren't happy at the idea that we use the live cd infrastructure, since it make the minimal requirements much higher, haveing to run a desktop and an installer
[06:24] <pitti> ouch, someone forgot to apply the quiescing flag for the langpacks
[06:24] <cjwatson> highvoltage: you can always just base on the alternate install CD instead
[06:24] <highvoltage> cjwatson: so I wrote a little python script with a glade interface that lets the user choose between the live cd session, and the installer, which means that they don't have to log in to gnome to start ubiquity
[06:25] <highvoltage> cjwatson: crude screenshot: http://photos.jonathancarter.co.za/screenshots/dvd
[06:25] <highvoltage> cjwatson: my question is, do you think it might be likely that something like that could make it into ubuntu if it's nicely polished up?
[06:25] <cjwatson> highvoltage: neat, but shouldn't it be integrated into the gdm login screen instead?
[06:25] <highvoltage> you can use ubiquity without an x-session-manager on a pc with 128MB quite comfortably
[06:26] <cjwatson> if it were in gdm, we could easily just turn off autologin on the live CD
[06:26] <highvoltage> cjwatson: that might be a better option, then the user could choose there. strange that I didn't consider that :) at least this method gives them a nice interface.
[06:26] <highvoltage> cjwatson: that's actually a brilliant idea, I think I'll investigate that
[06:26] <cjwatson> cool
[06:27] <highvoltage> cjwatson: thank you for your time and willingness to share your wisdom
[06:33] <BlackSkad> #ubuntu-motu
[06:38] <ogra> Seveas, what was the name of the conf channel ?
[06:38] <Seveas> #udsmtv
[06:38] <ogra> ah, thx
[06:38] <Seveas> I just poked freenode staff, they won't be blocking us
[06:38] <ogra> great, ta
[06:40] <sivang> hmm, I wonder if someone could tell keybuk to talk a little bit slower ;)
[06:41] <Keybuk> sivang: I never talk slowly :p
[06:41] <lifeless> Keybuk: ^
[06:42] <sivang> Keybuk: true, but it was easier for me to understand as a non native when I was able to read your lips :-p
[07:15] <siretart> what time is it in mountain view currently?
[07:16] <Spads> Sun Nov  5 10:16:11 PST 2006
[07:16] <Spads> at the shell you can type "TZ=US/Pacific date"
[07:17] <siretart> thanks!
[07:18] <Whoopie> doko: we solved the issue with the python-httplib2 package by adding XB-Python-Version. But I thought it's not needed for python-support.
[08:54] <infinity> pitti: gnome-mount going to universe for now?
[11:24] <lifeless> fabbione: http://www.bononia.it/~zack/blog//posts/versioning_etc_w_bzr.html
[11:25] <fabbione> lifeless: yeah the same i did ask ages ago
[11:25] <lifeless> fabbione: done for you now :)
[11:25] <fabbione> lifeless: slacker
[11:26] <lifeless> pffft, I did describe the solution for you ;)
[11:27] <fabbione> lifeless: we knew the solution.. we needed the code :)
[11:27] <lifeless> Riddell: is the source for hwdb-client in bzr ? If not, is the edgy client the current HEAD I should import
[11:28] <Riddell> lifeless: yes
[11:28] <lifeless> to which ?!
[11:29] <Riddell> lifeless: see launchpad/products/hwdb I think
[11:32] <tmarble> mdz: will you prepare schedules for the entire week, or simply for each day at a time?
[11:33] <mdz> tmarble: the latter
[11:34] <tmarble> mdz: ok, thanks
[11:34] <lifeless> Riddell: no bzr souce listed. 
[11:34] <lifeless> Riddell: I can upload the current package as a bzr branch if you like
[11:37] <Riddell> lifeless: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/bzr/hwdb/
[11:38] <Riddell> it's not on the supermirror I forgot
[11:38] <lifeless> Riddell: bzr register-branch!
[11:38] <Riddell> lifeless: go ahead :)
[11:38] <lifeless> Riddell: its a bzr command, one you can run :)
[11:39] <cjwatson> tmarble: (you can't tell what needs to be scheduled for more discussion until you've held the first round of discussion)
[11:41] <tmarble> cjwatson: thanks... yes we've had several people that have signed up as Essential w/incorrect attendance times --  trying to unwind that now
[11:41] <sladen> mdz: are you basically going to process the specs in order of priority from the top?
[11:42] <sladen> mdz: it would be useful to have a vague idea when (if) certain BoFs are going to be scheduled or skipped (even if they're subject to change)
[11:43] <stgraber> mdz: Is that possible to generate the schedule for everyone who subscribed to at least one BOF and not only the ones who are at MountainView ? (for VOIP people)
[11:44] <lifeless> Riddell: uhm, why are the man pages in debian/ ? 
[11:45] <Riddell> lifeless: it was like that when i found it, ask ogra
[11:45] <lifeless> ok, so fine to fix :)
[11:49] <lifeless> Riddell: I'm renaming the product to hwdb-client ok? (to match the source package)
[11:50] <lifeless> Riddell: its currently hwdb-gui, which makes no sense at all
[11:50] <lifeless> ogra_: ^
[11:50] <cjwatson> sladen: the scheduler works in order of priority, so low and undefined ones will only be scheduled if the scheduler runs out of things to do
[11:51] <Riddell> lifeless: that's the gtk version, I guess ogra started with the server and named the gui as something else
[11:51] <lifeless> Riddell: nope its all
[11:51] <lifeless> all the client side stuff I mean
[11:51] <Riddell> lifeless: the kde part is hwdb-kde
[11:52] <lifeless> no, same source package
[11:52] <lifeless> same source == same product
[11:52] <Riddell> oh, I see
[11:52] <lifeless> apt-cache show hwdb-client-kde -> source: hwdb-client
[11:53] <lifeless> so the lp product should be either hwdb, or hwdb-client, not hwdb-gui.
[11:54] <Riddell> Reistrant Andrey Nauman
[11:54] <Riddell> no idea who he is
[11:55] <lifeless> thats fixable. let me:)
[11:55] <lifeless> ubuntu-core-dev ?
[11:55] <Riddell> yep
[11:55] <lifeless> done
[11:55] <lifeless> hmm, should use malone
[11:56] <lifeless> and will need rosetta eventually.
[11:56] <Riddell> now actually
[11:56] <Riddell> since the KDE version has translations
[11:56] <lifeless> is your branch the most active one?  or shoud I setup a shared team branch ?
[11:56] <lifeless> hmm, actually, I'm not in -core-dev, so you can push up a team shared branch
[11:57] <Riddell> lifeless: yes, my branch is up to date with the edgy package
[11:57] <lifeless> ok, enabled for rosetta.
[11:57] <lifeless> you can upload the pot anytime ;)
[12:00] <Riddell> lifeless: well it's already translated in rosetta as part of ubuntu, I'm not sure there's a point in having it possible to translate elsewhere
[12:04] <lifeless> Riddell: well talk with Carlos.
[12:04] <lifeless> Riddell: one reason to have separate translations is to have new versions translated: rosettas translation focus for ubuntu is dapper.
[12:04] <carlos> Riddell: what lifeless said
[12:06] <Riddell> ok