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plugwashtheCore btw the only difference between edgy and feisty so far is a new build toolchain12:19
theCoreplugwash, I just want to be prepared for feisty development12:20
theCoreplugwash, I been too slow to get going with edgy12:20
theCorehow GNOME packaging and testing is done, by the way?12:23
bhaleby Sebuild12:23
theCoreI know it's all handled by the core-devs, but I would like to learn about it12:23
bhaledholbach and seb128 in #ubuntu-desktop12:23
bhalewho are currently traveling12:24
theCorebhale, does sebuild is like jhbuild?12:26
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phanatictheCore: imho Sebuild is just seb128's other nickname12:27
theCoreoh, ok :D12:27
rmjbhey room, I saw the progress made on the sru for motu, great work12:28
rmjbI already assigned my sru to the new team and they already responded... so I'd say it's working fine12:29
lfittlajmitch: ping12:29
ajmitchlfittl: yes?12:37
theCoreI got some problems setting up the chroot installation12:40
theCorelike I need to have the locals set correctly12:41
theCoreis there a good howto for doing the debootstrap process?12:41
theCorebecause right now, the only documentation I have is the manpage12:42
joejaxxtheCore: you have to export the locale variable12:46
theCorejoejaxx, only that?12:46
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theCorechroot /feisty-root /bin/bash LC_ALL="en" LANGUAGE="en"12:48
theCore?12:48
joejaxxwhen you are in chroot12:48
joejaxxexport LC_ALL=C12:48
theCoreoh, ok12:48
joejaxxmake sure it is LC_ALL=C12:48
theCoreshould I use the --variant=buildd option for debootstrap?12:50
joejaxxdo you need it to be a build environment?12:51
theCoreI would like to use for building packages, and for testing12:52
theCorealong pbuilder12:52
LaserJocktheCore: did you read the chroot stuff in the packaging guide12:53
theCoreLaserJock, nope12:53
LaserJocktheCore: also you can do pbuilder login to get a temporary chroot12:53
theCoreLaserJock, maybe I should :)12:53
joejaxxah LaserJock is here12:54
joejaxx:)12:54
theCore--variant=buildd enable the build daemon?12:55
LaserJockno12:56
LaserJockit just installs more packages12:56
LaserJockbuild-essential perhaps12:56
LaserJockcan't remember exactly12:56
theCoreLaserJock, ah, there is the howto I wanted12:57
theCoreright under my nose12:57
theCorethanks LaserJock12:57
ezsquirtin bash, how do you 'capture' return value from a command in a var without the script quitting when its launched with -e ?12:59
theCoreezsquirt, I am not sure what you mean, but I think you could do that with $?01:01
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ezsquirtwon't work since $? value will always be 001:03
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ezsquirtbecause of the -e option that makes the script quits on any errors01:04
theCoreezsquirt, can I see your script?01:04
theCoreLaserJock, I found an error in the Packaging Guide01:05
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theCoreLaserJock, In the chroot section, "sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /var/chroot/etc/apt/" is useless because you overwrite it with the next commands01:06
theCoreoverwrite sources.list*01:07
LaserJockoverwrite?01:08
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theCoreLaserJock, with echo "deb     http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main restricted \01:08
theCoreuniverse multiverse" > /etc/apt/sources.list01:08
LaserJockhmm01:09
theCoreand copying the sources.list from the base system is a bad idea, IMHO01:09
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LaserJocktheCore: well, I think that was around before somebody added the next lines01:10
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theCoreLaserJock, do you know what "sudo sed 's/\([^:] *\):[^:] *:/\1:*:/' /etc/shadow | sudo tee /var/chroot/etc/shadow" does01:11
theCore?01:11
LaserJockwell, that's to get the shadow file so you can run sudo inside the chroot01:12
LaserJockand have your ~/ etc01:12
theCorebut does that copy the users from the base system?01:13
LaserJockyeah01:13
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LaserJockwell, I mean the shadow file01:14
LaserJockyou also need the group file01:14
theCorewell, I don't really want the mysql user or the apache user in my chroot01:14
LaserJockdoesn't really matter, but yeah01:15
LaserJockjust remove them01:15
theCoreLaserJock, think sudo chroot /var/chroot/ should specify /bin/bash01:16
theCoreI think*01:17
theCorejust in case, the user uses another shell by default01:17
LaserJocksend patches :-)01:18
theCoreLaserJock, okay :)01:18
LaserJockalrighty01:21
LaserJockI'm off to Mt. View I think01:21
pygibye01:22
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awbassettquestion... so, openafs 1.4.1 is broken in edgy and won't build kernel modules. The problem I've been running into is fixed in 1.4.2. If I compile the new packages, is there any way they could make it into edgy, or is that not how things work?01:50
awbassettapparently a lot of people in #openafs are running into the same issue01:51
pygiawbassett: perhaps -updates01:51
awbassettI'm going to speak with the upstream (debian) maintainer01:52
crimsunawbassett: the SRU team tends to prefer backported patches instead of wholescale new upstream versions01:52
awbassettyeah, that's why i asked about the upgrade01:52
awbassetti can speak with my local afs admin to see if the fixes can be patched back01:53
crimsunawbassett: please file a bug against the source package using Malone and proceed with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/SRU01:53
crimsun(we're largely following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates )01:54
awbassettheh my openafs bugs dont get looked at too often01:54
awbassettand i have generally been trying to close other ones lately that are outdated01:54
crimsunI have a meeting now, but I'll look in a couple hours if you give me references. Please include all relevant information so we don't have to play e-mail/bug tag.01:55
awbassettthanks. I will post my m-a build error log01:56
KriS83Hi. I've found out that there has been a kernel patch commited for an issue with my soundcard. How/where could I access the most recent development Kernel version of the Ubuntu Kernel developers incl. the patches? If there's a daily build I would also be interessted, if not, the source incl. patches would be nice.01:56
KriS83or would this be the wrong channel to ask? Sorry if it is.01:57
awbassettYou're probably going to have the patch the kernel yourself01:58
awbassettand maintain it on your machine01:58
DarkMageZKriS83, i believe #ubuntu-kernel might be a better place for this01:58
KriS83DarkMageZ, ahh missed that channel. Thank you01:58
KriS83awbassett, I would if I knew where or how I could get hold of all patch sets :)01:59
DarkMageZKriS83, tho. it would probably be better to file a bug asking the kernel dev's to add the patch :)01:59
KriS83But I'll give it a try in #ubuntu-kernel01:59
KriS83Well it has been added by crimsun01:59
KriS83just no package including it yet01:59
KriS83It was added by crimsun on Oct 24th02:00
DarkMageZoh, don't bug the kernel people then :P02:00
bhaleit will be available in feisty when its open for general use02:00
KriS83hmm02:00
DarkMageZtho, on that bug, you should request the patch to be backported to edgy/dapper02:01
bhalewe dont backport kernel patches02:01
KriS83https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2006-October/001155.html02:01
KriS83Thats the one I'm looking for02:01
KriS83bhale, so it will def. be my thing to do? This patch will never be moved to edgy then? Or might it if I file a Bug/Request for it?02:02
bhalei have never heard of kernel backports02:03
bhaleand it seems an unwise thing to do, to me02:03
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KriS83k02:03
ash211there is a section for kernel backports at the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates02:07
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joejaxxhello everyone05:33
joejaxx:D05:33
TheMusoHey joejaxx.05:33
joejaxxhow are you?05:34
TheMusoVery well thanks.05:36
TheMusoAre most people there yet?05:36
joejaxxthat is good05:36
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millkhi06:10
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lastnodeimbrandon, ping08:41
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crimsunI've attached an SRU debdiff to bug 69455.10:06
UbugtuMalone bug 69455 in oprofile "bashism in oprofile's opcontrol script prevents user from setting any events" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6945510:06
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Hobbseehey all10:45
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FujitsuHey Hobbsee.10:51
Hobbseehi Fujitsu :)10:52
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crimsunthat gaff in -devel just doesn't get it.12:20
jsgotangcoheh12:20
pygicrimsun: indeed ^_^12:22
pygio. he figured I'm a little baby12:22
pygiwow, I feel proud now :)12:22
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CzubekHi all.01:27
CzubekI'm student of Physics and I'm wonder what software can I recommend to my friends from studies to promote ubuntu among them.01:31
CzubekThere is maxima, a piece of symbolic calculation software that is great.01:32
luisbgCzubek, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Science01:32
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luisbghttp://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/science/01:33
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CzubekOk, i got it.01:54
CzubekSo motu/science is deciding which program can be included to universe repository?01:55
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luisbgCzubek, no... ubuntu science maintains the packages of the science section of ubuntu01:56
luisbgnew packages are always welcomed if they have appropiate licenses01:57
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CzubekHmm... So if i found somewhere program which is usable for physics and it has a free-software like licence i should inform who?01:59
HobbseeCzubek: laserjock02:04
CzubekOk, I will remember that.02:05
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luisbgCzubek, which program?02:13
Czubekluisbg: at the moment none, but if i found one i will inform laserjock.02:16
luisbgCzubek, oops sorry, didn't read the "if" you said02:16
Czubek;)02:16
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jikanterCzubeck, have you tried paw?02:50
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bddebianHeya gang03:34
bmontyhi bddebian03:34
bddebianHeya bmonty03:35
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bmontynot many people on right now03:35
bddebianYeah, those rotten bastards are all in Mt. View ;-)03:35
jsgotangcobwhaha03:36
bmontythey are all jet-lagged from the red eye flights they took in yesterday...how much fun can that be?03:37
sivanghey bmonty, bddebian03:39
bmontyhi sivang03:39
sivang"oh... How I wish I was there now..."03:39
sivang;-)03:39
bddebianHeya sivang03:40
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jsgotangcoyeah today might be sucky but its sunday there no?03:41
bddebianYep03:42
bddebian6:45am yet in fact :-)03:42
bmontycan you guys help me with some feedback on a GUI I'm working on?03:43
bmontyfor this spec: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DynamicMirrorDecisions03:44
pygibmonty, if you wait some time, then yes03:44
pygiand this is not the channel for UI :P03:44
bmontya picture of the prototype is here: http://www.montynet.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=64803:45
pygiUI not good usability wise03:46
bmontyright, I'm looking for suggestions for improvement03:46
pygibmonty, can you mail me about the issue, then I'll respond as soon as I can?03:47
pygiI'm hecticly busy03:47
bmontyI don't have a specific issue, other than I don't like how it currently works and I'm looking for comments on how to make it better03:47
bmontywhen you get a chance could you please email your comments to me at bmontgom@montynet.org?03:48
pygibmonty, well, I'm telling you just to  mail me so I have a sign somewhere that I have to comment on the UI  :P03:49
pygiI cant remember everything from IRC :P03:49
ajmitchmorning people03:54
bmontyajmitch: how is California?03:55
ajmitchfrom the little I've seen of it, i'\t's ok03:56
ajmitchssh is a bit lagged..03:56
bmontywell I hope you enjoy the land of fruits and nuts :)03:56
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ajmitchheh I will :)04:02
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imbrandonahhh internet06:13
joejaxximbrandon: lol06:14
imbrandonjoejaxx: shhh marks talking :)06:14
joejaxx:)06:14
chantrahi there06:17
chantramldonkey-server got a bug see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mldonkey/+bug/6602306:18
UbugtuMalone bug 66023 in mldonkey "mldonkey-server does not startup at boot time, eventhough I selected this at installation time." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 06:18
chantraI provided a patch on launchpad, but checking at packages.debian.org, debian unstable got a new release (2.8.1-2) which correct the bug06:19
chantrahow can I get it to be sync in ubuntu ?06:19
bhaleare tehre ubuntu changes?06:20
chantranope, last release was only a sync06:20
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bhaleso it would be synced automatically shortly06:20
chantraokie, nothing to do then?06:21
chantralast debian changelog is from Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:29:32 +000006:22
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minghuachantra: adding a note in the bug report saying a sync from debian fixes the bug would be good06:42
chantraminghua: okie dokie06:43
chantrabut it is not sync-ed yet :)06:43
minghuachantra: yes, I know, s/fixes/would fix/ :-)06:44
chantra:p06:44
minghuachantra: the idea is that people know that they only need to wait for the sync06:44
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bmontyis the process for ubuntu sponsors still the same?  i.e. I check the request and ack it if everything looks ok?06:46
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chantraminghua: yep done07:27
chantraminghua: someone added a bug watches07:30
chantrashall those bug watched only related to the current bug?07:30
chantracause there is some related bugs :p07:30
chantraso I wonder if i should add them07:30
vildholbach: hello, doko told me that you could help me becoming a MOTU.07:30
vildholbach: can we talk about it for a while?07:31
minghuachantra: thanks07:32
chantraminghua: ? what for :)07:33
minghuachantra: my understanding is that bug watches should only be used for identical issues07:33
chantraadding debian bug url07:33
chantraminghua: okie dok07:33
minghuachantra: for adding comments on the bug :-)07:33
chantraminghua: no bother :)07:33
chantraactually, I linked to debian changelog, therefore, all known debian bug will be there :)07:34
minghuachantra: if there are related debian bugs, maybe mention them in the bug report is good, but IMO shouldn't add a bug watch07:34
chantraokie dokie07:34
minghuachantra: that sounds good07:34
dholbachvil: I'm currently in a meeting07:35
dholbachvil: you can just ask in here and drop me a mail - would that work for you?07:35
pygihey dholbach :)07:36
dholbachhoi pygi07:36
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pygihow is you today? :)07:36
vildholbach: ok, I will send you a mail about my current interests in Ubuntu.07:36
pygiany new telepathic powers? :)07:37
dholbachvil: that's really cool - thanks a lot for that.07:37
dholbachpygi: too tired for that still :-)07:37
pygidholbach, right :P07:38
chantraguys, how much space pbuilder might need to host debian testing/unstable + ubuntu feisty?07:38
chantraso that is 3 distro07:38
chantrado you belive 5 Gig will be enough?07:39
gesereach base.tar.gz should be about 100 MB07:39
geserplus the apt cache07:39
minghuapbuilder is small07:40
minghuathe large part is the local mirror :-)07:40
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chantra:)07:40
chantraI will need to buid graphical packages07:40
chantraso I guess I will get load of dependencies07:41
chantramy current system uses 4G07:41
chantrashould I consider that each pbuilder distro might use the same?07:42
chantralet say 3G without /var07:42
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chantra:)07:44
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minghuachantra: make sure you separate your Debian APTCACHE directory and the Ubuntu one07:45
minghuachantra: testing and unstable can use the same APTCACHE though07:45
minghuachantra: also you can reuse your apt cache of the local system07:45
minghuachantra: (and you can avoid all these if you have a fast internet connection)07:46
chantraminghua: i'm in ireland now, and bloody hell, adsl does not mean unlimited07:47
chantraif you go over 40G, you might get overcharged :s07:47
chantrathat is not good to try out linux distros ISOs :s07:47
minghuano, ADSL is far from "fast internet connection"07:47
chantra:)07:48
chantraI should actually make a ubuntu repo cache so I don't download packages twice :)07:48
lophyteADSL isn't a fast internet connection? then what is? :P07:49
bmontychantra: I just got multiple distros pbuilder working...if you run in to problems I'll try to help07:50
chantracheers bmonty07:53
chantramight try to set up a repository cache on my router first :)07:54
bmontyluckily I don't have a DL cap on my connection07:55
chantrabmonty: :)07:56
chantrathis is a pain, tell you07:56
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luisbghello all! how is the summit?08:26
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ajmitchgoing well08:27
pygiajmitch, what BOFs are right now?08:28
ajmitchcurrently in the edubuntu-network-auth-server BOF08:28
ajmitchhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/uds-mtv/2006-11-05/08:28
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Adri2000Seveas: ping09:30
SeveasAdri2000, -ENOTIME, I'm at UDS09:30
Adri2000just a quick question, you mad a package for mirage, will you send it on REVU to make it go in universe? (because I wanted to package it when I saw you already did it)09:31
Adri2000s/mad/made/09:32
SeveasAdri2000, for feity, imbrandon will upload it to ubuntu09:33
Adri2000ok :)09:33
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TheMusoHey Fujitsu.10:14
FujitsuHi TheMuso.10:15
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TheMusoFujitsu: You following along with the summit schedule?10:15
FujitsuTheMuso: Not at the moment, as I've got a maths exam in 3 hours.10:16
TheMusoAh right.10:16
TheMusoGood luck.10:16
FujitsuThanks.10:17
FujitsuThen a physics exam on Wednesday, and I'm done for the year :)10:17
TheMusoCool.10:17
TheMusoGot any more years left?10:17
FujitsuOne more.10:18
TheMusoRight.10:18
luisbgTheMuso, are YOU following the summit schedule?10:19
TheMusoluisbg: Yeah. THeres nothing today that really interests me.10:20
TheMusoTrouble is, by the time I start my day, the morning session is just about over.10:21
TheMusoCurrently everybody is at lunch, so its about 13:20 at MTV, and its 8:20 where I am.10:21
sladenand 21:20 where I am10:21
Adri200022:20 here :p10:22
luisbgTheMuso, where can you see the schedule?10:22
TheMusohttp://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/uds-mtv/10:22
luisbgTheMuso, nice10:23
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luisbgTheMuso, is there something interesting tomorrow?10:36
Burgundavialuisbg: new schudule is not posted until today is done10:36
luisbgit would be cool to be able to have the summit videostreamed10:36
luisbgBurgundavia, ok10:36
luisbgBurgundavia, until when does the summit last?10:37
Burgundaviafirday10:37
luisbgok thanks10:37
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chantrahi , I was wondering, when using pbuilder, let say I create a .deb for feisty under edgy using pbuilder11:21
chantrahow can you try out the deb ?11:21
chantracan you install it from inside the pbuilder and then try to execute it?11:22
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LaserJockhi Amaranth11:24
Amaranthhi :P11:24
LaserJockAmaranth: what's up?11:24
AmaranthI have never used the software we're talking about ;)11:25
LaserJockI have it installed11:25
LaserJockbut that's about it11:25
Amaranthyeah11:26
LaserJockyou have to have an LTSP server to do anything with it11:26
luisbgltsp? cool system to recycle machines11:26
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joejaxxthe ltsp meeting is going on now?11:28
ajmitchdaniel!11:28
joejaxxajmitch: which meeting are you in?11:28
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ajmitchjoejaxx: sitting across the room from you11:28
joejaxxlol11:28
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LaserJocknooooo11:29
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TheMusoDon't make me feel any more sad than I already am.11:30
LaserJockTheMuso: this sucks11:31
LaserJockTheMuso: it's totally aweful11:31
TheMusoLaserJock: What does?11:31
LaserJockTheMuso: not nearly as good as Paris11:31
TheMusoOh?11:31
LaserJockTheMuso: just trying to make you feel better ;-)11:31
TheMusoFor a second I thought you were telling the truth. :)11:32
LaserJockGoogle rocks11:32
TheMusoBut I knew that wasn't true.11:32
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TheMusoWell at least I am comforted by practically no a11y specs being on the table, as far as I know anyway in terms of prioritization.11:35
pygiLaserJock, I should have just skipped my exams;)11:36
lotusleafCurrently, ClamAV in Edgy is at version 0.88.4, while the current version out is 0.88.6. It's simple for me to build for myself, but considering what I've read about the security fix for 0.88.5, will an update be available for this anytime soon in the repos? If this is the wrong place to ask, I apologise, jdong doesn't seem to be online atm.11:36
LaserJockpygi: ah, well it's fun, but school is very important11:37
theCoreLaserJock, having fun?11:37
theCore:)11:37
LaserJocktheCore: pretty much11:37
pygiLaserJock, I'll fail anyway :P11:38
LaserJockpygi: you better not11:38
LaserJocktheCore: pretty hectic11:38
pygiLaserJock, heh, one thing to say, one to do :)11:38
Amaranththis google thing is shiny11:39
theCoreLaserJock,  have you seen my patch?11:40
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LaserJocktheCore: well, I did, but I didn't read it in depth11:40
theCoreLaserJock, there's really nothing fancy in it11:41
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FujitsuDo you have to have a SIP account even to listen in?11:47
bmontyFujitsu: yes11:47
joejaxxajmitch: are you on gobby?11:48
bmontyFujitsu: join #canonical-sysadmin and check the topic if you want to listen in11:48
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ajmitchjoejaxx: not currently11:48
FujitsuThanks bmonty.11:48
bmontynp11:48
joejaxxajmitch: i am the only one doing the f-r-s gobby document right now :\11:49
ajmitchjoejaxx: it's being done on the wiki, I think11:49
ajmitchjust adjusting dates on there11:49
joejaxxoh11:49
joejaxxahh11:49
joejaxxok11:49
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TheMusoWas anybody here at the devfarm spec session? If so, howd it go?12:04
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LaserJockTheMuso: I was there with imbrandon12:10
LaserJockand elmo12:10
TheMusoRight. I saw that on the schedule.12:10
TheMusoAny progress?12:10
LaserJockelmo shed some light on some things that canonical/LP is doing12:10
LaserJockand gave some good advice12:11
TheMusoRight.12:11
TheMusoWill I find anything of note in the spec itself yet?12:11
luisbgI've got a deb package that it would be nice to get into feisty's universe when it is unfrozen12:11

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