[12:19] <plugwash> theCore btw the only difference between edgy and feisty so far is a new build toolchain
[12:20] <theCore> plugwash, I just want to be prepared for feisty development
[12:20] <theCore> plugwash, I been too slow to get going with edgy
[12:23] <theCore> how GNOME packaging and testing is done, by the way?
[12:23] <bhale> by Sebuild
[12:23] <theCore> I know it's all handled by the core-devs, but I would like to learn about it
[12:23] <bhale> dholbach and seb128 in #ubuntu-desktop
[12:24] <bhale> who are currently traveling
[12:26] <theCore> bhale, does sebuild is like jhbuild?
[12:27] <phanatic> theCore: imho Sebuild is just seb128's other nickname
[12:27] <theCore> oh, ok :D
[12:28] <rmjb> hey room, I saw the progress made on the sru for motu, great work
[12:29] <rmjb> I already assigned my sru to the new team and they already responded... so I'd say it's working fine
[12:29] <lfittl> ajmitch: ping
[12:37] <ajmitch> lfittl: yes?
[12:40] <theCore> I got some problems setting up the chroot installation
[12:41] <theCore> like I need to have the locals set correctly
[12:41] <theCore> is there a good howto for doing the debootstrap process?
[12:42] <theCore> because right now, the only documentation I have is the manpage
[12:46] <joejaxx> theCore: you have to export the locale variable
[12:46] <theCore> joejaxx, only that?
[12:48] <theCore> chroot /feisty-root /bin/bash LC_ALL="en" LANGUAGE="en"
[12:48] <theCore> ?
[12:48] <joejaxx> when you are in chroot
[12:48] <joejaxx> export LC_ALL=C
[12:48] <theCore> oh, ok
[12:48] <joejaxx> make sure it is LC_ALL=C
[12:50] <theCore> should I use the --variant=buildd option for debootstrap?
[12:51] <joejaxx> do you need it to be a build environment?
[12:52] <theCore> I would like to use for building packages, and for testing
[12:52] <theCore> along pbuilder
[12:53] <LaserJock> theCore: did you read the chroot stuff in the packaging guide
[12:53] <theCore> LaserJock, nope
[12:53] <LaserJock> theCore: also you can do pbuilder login to get a temporary chroot
[12:53] <theCore> LaserJock, maybe I should :)
[12:54] <joejaxx> ah LaserJock is here
[12:54] <joejaxx> :)
[12:55] <theCore> --variant=buildd enable the build daemon?
[12:56] <LaserJock> no
[12:56] <LaserJock> it just installs more packages
[12:56] <LaserJock> build-essential perhaps
[12:56] <LaserJock> can't remember exactly
[12:57] <theCore> LaserJock, ah, there is the howto I wanted
[12:57] <theCore> right under my nose
[12:57] <theCore> thanks LaserJock
[12:59] <ezsquirt> in bash, how do you 'capture' return value from a command in a var without the script quitting when its launched with -e ?
[01:01] <theCore> ezsquirt, I am not sure what you mean, but I think you could do that with $?
[01:03] <ezsquirt> won't work since $? value will always be 0
[01:04] <ezsquirt> because of the -e option that makes the script quits on any errors
[01:04] <theCore> ezsquirt, can I see your script?
[01:05] <theCore> LaserJock, I found an error in the Packaging Guide
[01:06] <theCore> LaserJock, In the chroot section, "sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /var/chroot/etc/apt/" is useless because you overwrite it with the next commands
[01:07] <theCore> overwrite sources.list*
[01:08] <LaserJock> overwrite?
[01:08] <theCore> LaserJock, with echo "deb     http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main restricted \
[01:08] <theCore> 	universe multiverse" > /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:09] <LaserJock> hmm
[01:09] <theCore> and copying the sources.list from the base system is a bad idea, IMHO
[01:10] <LaserJock> theCore: well, I think that was around before somebody added the next lines
[01:11] <theCore> LaserJock, do you know what "sudo sed 's/\([^:] *\):[^:] *:/\1:*:/' /etc/shadow | sudo tee /var/chroot/etc/shadow" does
[01:11] <theCore> ?
[01:12] <LaserJock> well, that's to get the shadow file so you can run sudo inside the chroot
[01:12] <LaserJock> and have your ~/ etc
[01:13] <theCore> but does that copy the users from the base system?
[01:13] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:14] <LaserJock> well, I mean the shadow file
[01:14] <LaserJock> you also need the group file
[01:14] <theCore> well, I don't really want the mysql user or the apache user in my chroot
[01:15] <LaserJock> doesn't really matter, but yeah
[01:15] <LaserJock> just remove them
[01:16] <theCore> LaserJock, think sudo chroot /var/chroot/ should specify /bin/bash
[01:17] <theCore> I think*
[01:17] <theCore> just in case, the user uses another shell by default
[01:18] <LaserJock> send patches :-)
[01:18] <theCore> LaserJock, okay :)
[01:21] <LaserJock> alrighty
[01:21] <LaserJock> I'm off to Mt. View I think
[01:22] <pygi> bye
[01:50] <awbassett> question... so, openafs 1.4.1 is broken in edgy and won't build kernel modules. The problem I've been running into is fixed in 1.4.2. If I compile the new packages, is there any way they could make it into edgy, or is that not how things work?
[01:51] <awbassett> apparently a lot of people in #openafs are running into the same issue
[01:51] <pygi> awbassett: perhaps -updates
[01:52] <awbassett> I'm going to speak with the upstream (debian) maintainer
[01:52] <crimsun> awbassett: the SRU team tends to prefer backported patches instead of wholescale new upstream versions
[01:52] <awbassett> yeah, that's why i asked about the upgrade
[01:53] <awbassett> i can speak with my local afs admin to see if the fixes can be patched back
[01:53] <crimsun> awbassett: please file a bug against the source package using Malone and proceed with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/SRU
[01:54] <crimsun> (we're largely following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates )
[01:54] <awbassett> heh my openafs bugs dont get looked at too often
[01:54] <awbassett> and i have generally been trying to close other ones lately that are outdated
[01:55] <crimsun> I have a meeting now, but I'll look in a couple hours if you give me references. Please include all relevant information so we don't have to play e-mail/bug tag.
[01:56] <awbassett> thanks. I will post my m-a build error log
[01:56] <KriS83> Hi. I've found out that there has been a kernel patch commited for an issue with my soundcard. How/where could I access the most recent development Kernel version of the Ubuntu Kernel developers incl. the patches? If there's a daily build I would also be interessted, if not, the source incl. patches would be nice.
[01:57] <KriS83> or would this be the wrong channel to ask? Sorry if it is.
[01:58] <awbassett> You're probably going to have the patch the kernel yourself
[01:58] <awbassett> and maintain it on your machine
[01:58] <DarkMageZ> KriS83, i believe #ubuntu-kernel might be a better place for this
[01:58] <KriS83> DarkMageZ, ahh missed that channel. Thank you
[01:59] <KriS83> awbassett, I would if I knew where or how I could get hold of all patch sets :)
[01:59] <DarkMageZ> KriS83, tho. it would probably be better to file a bug asking the kernel dev's to add the patch :)
[01:59] <KriS83> But I'll give it a try in #ubuntu-kernel
[01:59] <KriS83> Well it has been added by crimsun
[01:59] <KriS83> just no package including it yet
[02:00] <KriS83> It was added by crimsun on Oct 24th
[02:00] <DarkMageZ> oh, don't bug the kernel people then :P
[02:00] <bhale> it will be available in feisty when its open for general use
[02:00] <KriS83> hmm
[02:01] <DarkMageZ> tho, on that bug, you should request the patch to be backported to edgy/dapper
[02:01] <bhale> we dont backport kernel patches
[02:01] <KriS83> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2006-October/001155.html
[02:01] <KriS83> Thats the one I'm looking for
[02:02] <KriS83> bhale, so it will def. be my thing to do? This patch will never be moved to edgy then? Or might it if I file a Bug/Request for it?
[02:03] <bhale> i have never heard of kernel backports
[02:03] <bhale> and it seems an unwise thing to do, to me
[02:03] <KriS83> k
[02:07] <ash211> there is a section for kernel backports at the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[05:33] <joejaxx> hello everyone
[05:33] <joejaxx> :D
[05:33] <TheMuso> Hey joejaxx.
[05:34] <joejaxx> how are you?
[05:36] <TheMuso> Very well thanks.
[05:36] <TheMuso> Are most people there yet?
[05:36] <joejaxx> that is good
[06:10] <millk> hi
[08:41] <lastnode> imbrandon, ping
[10:06] <crimsun> I've attached an SRU debdiff to bug 69455.
[10:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69455 in oprofile "bashism in oprofile's opcontrol script prevents user from setting any events" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69455
[10:45] <Hobbsee> hey all
[10:51] <Fujitsu> Hey Hobbsee.
[10:52] <Hobbsee> hi Fujitsu :)
[12:20] <crimsun> that gaff in -devel just doesn't get it.
[12:20] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:22] <pygi> crimsun: indeed ^_^
[12:22] <pygi> o. he figured I'm a little baby
[12:22] <pygi> wow, I feel proud now :)
[01:27] <Czubek> Hi all.
[01:31] <Czubek> I'm student of Physics and I'm wonder what software can I recommend to my friends from studies to promote ubuntu among them.
[01:32] <Czubek> There is maxima, a piece of symbolic calculation software that is great.
[01:32] <luisbg> Czubek, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Science
[01:33] <luisbg> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/science/
[01:54] <Czubek> Ok, i got it.
[01:55] <Czubek> So motu/science is deciding which program can be included to universe repository?
[01:56] <luisbg> Czubek, no... ubuntu science maintains the packages of the science section of ubuntu
[01:57] <luisbg> new packages are always welcomed if they have appropiate licenses
[01:59] <Czubek> Hmm... So if i found somewhere program which is usable for physics and it has a free-software like licence i should inform who?
[02:04] <Hobbsee> Czubek: laserjock
[02:05] <Czubek> Ok, I will remember that.
[02:13] <luisbg> Czubek, which program?
[02:16] <Czubek> luisbg: at the moment none, but if i found one i will inform laserjock.
[02:16] <luisbg> Czubek, oops sorry, didn't read the "if" you said
[02:16] <Czubek> ;)
[02:50] <jikanter> Czubeck, have you tried paw?
[03:34] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:34] <bmonty> hi bddebian
[03:35] <bddebian> Heya bmonty
[03:35] <bmonty> not many people on right now
[03:35] <bddebian> Yeah, those rotten bastards are all in Mt. View ;-)
[03:36] <jsgotangco> bwhaha
[03:37] <bmonty> they are all jet-lagged from the red eye flights they took in yesterday...how much fun can that be?
[03:39] <sivang> hey bmonty, bddebian
[03:39] <bmonty> hi sivang
[03:39] <sivang> "oh... How I wish I was there now..."
[03:39] <sivang> ;-)
[03:40] <bddebian> Heya sivang
[03:41] <jsgotangco> yeah today might be sucky but its sunday there no?
[03:42] <bddebian> Yep
[03:42] <bddebian> 6:45am yet in fact :-)
[03:43] <bmonty> can you guys help me with some feedback on a GUI I'm working on?
[03:44] <bmonty> for this spec: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DynamicMirrorDecisions
[03:44] <pygi> bmonty, if you wait some time, then yes
[03:44] <pygi> and this is not the channel for UI :P
[03:45] <bmonty> a picture of the prototype is here: http://www.montynet.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=648
[03:46] <pygi> UI not good usability wise
[03:46] <bmonty> right, I'm looking for suggestions for improvement
[03:47] <pygi> bmonty, can you mail me about the issue, then I'll respond as soon as I can?
[03:47] <pygi> I'm hecticly busy
[03:47] <bmonty> I don't have a specific issue, other than I don't like how it currently works and I'm looking for comments on how to make it better
[03:48] <bmonty> when you get a chance could you please email your comments to me at bmontgom@montynet.org?
[03:49] <pygi> bmonty, well, I'm telling you just to  mail me so I have a sign somewhere that I have to comment on the UI  :P
[03:49] <pygi> I cant remember everything from IRC :P
[03:54] <ajmitch> morning people
[03:55] <bmonty> ajmitch: how is California?
[03:56] <ajmitch> from the little I've seen of it, i'\t's ok
[03:56] <ajmitch> ssh is a bit lagged..
[03:56] <bmonty> well I hope you enjoy the land of fruits and nuts :)
[04:02] <ajmitch> heh I will :)
[06:13] <imbrandon> ahhh internet
[06:14] <joejaxx> imbrandon: lol
[06:14] <imbrandon> joejaxx: shhh marks talking :)
[06:14] <joejaxx> :)
[06:17] <chantra> hi there
[06:18] <chantra> mldonkey-server got a bug see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mldonkey/+bug/66023
[06:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66023 in mldonkey "mldonkey-server does not startup at boot time, eventhough I selected this at installation time." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[06:19] <chantra> I provided a patch on launchpad, but checking at packages.debian.org, debian unstable got a new release (2.8.1-2) which correct the bug
[06:19] <chantra> how can I get it to be sync in ubuntu ?
[06:20] <bhale> are tehre ubuntu changes?
[06:20] <chantra> nope, last release was only a sync
[06:20] <bhale> so it would be synced automatically shortly
[06:21] <chantra> okie, nothing to do then?
[06:22] <chantra> last debian changelog is from Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:29:32 +0000
[06:42] <minghua> chantra: adding a note in the bug report saying a sync from debian fixes the bug would be good
[06:43] <chantra> minghua: okie dokie
[06:43] <chantra> but it is not sync-ed yet :)
[06:44] <minghua> chantra: yes, I know, s/fixes/would fix/ :-)
[06:44] <chantra> :p
[06:44] <minghua> chantra: the idea is that people know that they only need to wait for the sync
[06:46] <bmonty> is the process for ubuntu sponsors still the same?  i.e. I check the request and ack it if everything looks ok?
[07:27] <chantra> minghua: yep done
[07:30] <chantra> minghua: someone added a bug watches
[07:30] <chantra> shall those bug watched only related to the current bug?
[07:30] <chantra> cause there is some related bugs :p
[07:30] <chantra> so I wonder if i should add them
[07:30] <vil> dholbach: hello, doko told me that you could help me becoming a MOTU.
[07:31] <vil> dholbach: can we talk about it for a while?
[07:32] <minghua> chantra: thanks
[07:33] <chantra> minghua: ? what for :)
[07:33] <minghua> chantra: my understanding is that bug watches should only be used for identical issues
[07:33] <chantra> adding debian bug url
[07:33] <chantra> minghua: okie dok
[07:33] <minghua> chantra: for adding comments on the bug :-)
[07:33] <chantra> minghua: no bother :)
[07:34] <chantra> actually, I linked to debian changelog, therefore, all known debian bug will be there :)
[07:34] <minghua> chantra: if there are related debian bugs, maybe mention them in the bug report is good, but IMO shouldn't add a bug watch
[07:34] <chantra> okie dokie
[07:34] <minghua> chantra: that sounds good
[07:35] <dholbach> vil: I'm currently in a meeting
[07:35] <dholbach> vil: you can just ask in here and drop me a mail - would that work for you?
[07:36] <pygi> hey dholbach :)
[07:36] <dholbach> hoi pygi
[07:36] <pygi> how is you today? :)
[07:36] <vil> dholbach: ok, I will send you a mail about my current interests in Ubuntu.
[07:37] <pygi> any new telepathic powers? :)
[07:37] <dholbach> vil: that's really cool - thanks a lot for that.
[07:37] <dholbach> pygi: too tired for that still :-)
[07:38] <pygi> dholbach, right :P
[07:38] <chantra> guys, how much space pbuilder might need to host debian testing/unstable + ubuntu feisty?
[07:38] <chantra> so that is 3 distro
[07:39] <chantra> do you belive 5 Gig will be enough?
[07:39] <geser> each base.tar.gz should be about 100 MB
[07:39] <geser> plus the apt cache
[07:40] <minghua> pbuilder is small
[07:40] <minghua> the large part is the local mirror :-)
[07:40] <chantra> :)
[07:40] <chantra> I will need to buid graphical packages
[07:41] <chantra> so I guess I will get load of dependencies
[07:41] <chantra> my current system uses 4G
[07:42] <chantra> should I consider that each pbuilder distro might use the same?
[07:42] <chantra> let say 3G without /var
[07:44] <chantra> :)
[07:45] <minghua> chantra: make sure you separate your Debian APTCACHE directory and the Ubuntu one
[07:45] <minghua> chantra: testing and unstable can use the same APTCACHE though
[07:45] <minghua> chantra: also you can reuse your apt cache of the local system
[07:46] <minghua> chantra: (and you can avoid all these if you have a fast internet connection)
[07:47] <chantra> minghua: i'm in ireland now, and bloody hell, adsl does not mean unlimited
[07:47] <chantra> if you go over 40G, you might get overcharged :s
[07:47] <chantra> that is not good to try out linux distros ISOs :s
[07:47] <minghua> no, ADSL is far from "fast internet connection"
[07:48] <chantra> :)
[07:48] <chantra> I should actually make a ubuntu repo cache so I don't download packages twice :)
[07:49] <lophyte> ADSL isn't a fast internet connection? then what is? :P
[07:50] <bmonty> chantra: I just got multiple distros pbuilder working...if you run in to problems I'll try to help
[07:53] <chantra> cheers bmonty
[07:54] <chantra> might try to set up a repository cache on my router first :)
[07:55] <bmonty> luckily I don't have a DL cap on my connection
[07:56] <chantra> bmonty: :)
[07:56] <chantra> this is a pain, tell you
[08:26] <luisbg> hello all! how is the summit?
[08:27] <ajmitch> going well
[08:28] <pygi> ajmitch, what BOFs are right now?
[08:28] <ajmitch> currently in the edubuntu-network-auth-server BOF
[08:28] <ajmitch> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/uds-mtv/2006-11-05/
[09:30] <Adri2000> Seveas: ping
[09:30] <Seveas> Adri2000, -ENOTIME, I'm at UDS
[09:31] <Adri2000> just a quick question, you mad a package for mirage, will you send it on REVU to make it go in universe? (because I wanted to package it when I saw you already did it)
[09:32] <Adri2000> s/mad/made/
[09:33] <Seveas> Adri2000, for feity, imbrandon will upload it to ubuntu
[09:33] <Adri2000> ok :)
[10:14] <TheMuso> Hey Fujitsu.
[10:15] <Fujitsu> Hi TheMuso.
[10:15] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: You following along with the summit schedule?
[10:16] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: Not at the moment, as I've got a maths exam in 3 hours.
[10:16] <TheMuso> Ah right.
[10:16] <TheMuso> Good luck.
[10:17] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[10:17] <Fujitsu> Then a physics exam on Wednesday, and I'm done for the year :)
[10:17] <TheMuso> Cool.
[10:17] <TheMuso> Got any more years left?
[10:18] <Fujitsu> One more.
[10:18] <TheMuso> Right.
[10:19] <luisbg> TheMuso, are YOU following the summit schedule?
[10:20] <TheMuso> luisbg: Yeah. THeres nothing today that really interests me.
[10:21] <TheMuso> Trouble is, by the time I start my day, the morning session is just about over.
[10:21] <TheMuso> Currently everybody is at lunch, so its about 13:20 at MTV, and its 8:20 where I am.
[10:21] <sladen> and 21:20 where I am
[10:22] <Adri2000> 22:20 here :p
[10:22] <luisbg> TheMuso, where can you see the schedule?
[10:22] <TheMuso> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/uds-mtv/
[10:23] <luisbg> TheMuso, nice
[10:36] <luisbg> TheMuso, is there something interesting tomorrow?
[10:36] <Burgundavia> luisbg: new schudule is not posted until today is done
[10:36] <luisbg> it would be cool to be able to have the summit videostreamed
[10:36] <luisbg> Burgundavia, ok
[10:37] <luisbg> Burgundavia, until when does the summit last?
[10:37] <Burgundavia> firday
[10:37] <luisbg> ok thanks
[11:21] <chantra> hi , I was wondering, when using pbuilder, let say I create a .deb for feisty under edgy using pbuilder
[11:21] <chantra> how can you try out the deb ?
[11:22] <chantra> can you install it from inside the pbuilder and then try to execute it?
[11:24] <LaserJock> hi Amaranth
[11:24] <Amaranth> hi :P
[11:24] <LaserJock> Amaranth: what's up?
[11:25] <Amaranth> I have never used the software we're talking about ;)
[11:25] <LaserJock> I have it installed
[11:25] <LaserJock> but that's about it
[11:26] <Amaranth> yeah
[11:26] <LaserJock> you have to have an LTSP server to do anything with it
[11:26] <luisbg> ltsp? cool system to recycle machines
[11:28] <joejaxx> the ltsp meeting is going on now?
[11:28] <ajmitch> daniel!
[11:28] <joejaxx> ajmitch: which meeting are you in?
[11:28] <ajmitch> joejaxx: sitting across the room from you
[11:28] <joejaxx> lol
[11:29] <LaserJock> nooooo
[11:30] <TheMuso> Don't make me feel any more sad than I already am.
[11:31] <LaserJock> TheMuso: this sucks
[11:31] <LaserJock> TheMuso: it's totally aweful
[11:31] <TheMuso> LaserJock: What does?
[11:31] <LaserJock> TheMuso: not nearly as good as Paris
[11:31] <TheMuso> Oh?
[11:31] <LaserJock> TheMuso: just trying to make you feel better ;-)
[11:32] <TheMuso> For a second I thought you were telling the truth. :)
[11:32] <LaserJock> Google rocks
[11:32] <TheMuso> But I knew that wasn't true.
[11:35] <TheMuso> Well at least I am comforted by practically no a11y specs being on the table, as far as I know anyway in terms of prioritization.
[11:36] <pygi> LaserJock, I should have just skipped my exams;)
[11:36] <lotusleaf> Currently, ClamAV in Edgy is at version 0.88.4, while the current version out is 0.88.6. It's simple for me to build for myself, but considering what I've read about the security fix for 0.88.5, will an update be available for this anytime soon in the repos? If this is the wrong place to ask, I apologise, jdong doesn't seem to be online atm.
[11:37] <LaserJock> pygi: ah, well it's fun, but school is very important
[11:37] <theCore> LaserJock, having fun?
[11:37] <theCore> :)
[11:37] <LaserJock> theCore: pretty much
[11:38] <pygi> LaserJock, I'll fail anyway :P
[11:38] <LaserJock> pygi: you better not
[11:38] <LaserJock> theCore: pretty hectic
[11:38] <pygi> LaserJock, heh, one thing to say, one to do :)
[11:39] <Amaranth> this google thing is shiny
[11:40] <theCore> LaserJock,  have you seen my patch?
[11:40] <LaserJock> theCore: well, I did, but I didn't read it in depth
[11:41] <theCore> LaserJock, there's really nothing fancy in it
[11:47] <Fujitsu> Do you have to have a SIP account even to listen in?
[11:47] <bmonty> Fujitsu: yes
[11:48] <joejaxx> ajmitch: are you on gobby?
[11:48] <bmonty> Fujitsu: join #canonical-sysadmin and check the topic if you want to listen in
[11:48] <ajmitch> joejaxx: not currently
[11:48] <Fujitsu> Thanks bmonty.
[11:48] <bmonty> np
[11:49] <joejaxx> ajmitch: i am the only one doing the f-r-s gobby document right now :\
[11:49] <ajmitch> joejaxx: it's being done on the wiki, I think
[11:49] <ajmitch> just adjusting dates on there
[11:49] <joejaxx> oh
[11:49] <joejaxx> ahh
[11:49] <joejaxx> ok
[12:04] <TheMuso> Was anybody here at the devfarm spec session? If so, howd it go?
[12:10] <LaserJock> TheMuso: I was there with imbrandon
[12:10] <LaserJock> and elmo
[12:10] <TheMuso> Right. I saw that on the schedule.
[12:10] <TheMuso> Any progress?
[12:10] <LaserJock> elmo shed some light on some things that canonical/LP is doing
[12:11] <LaserJock> and gave some good advice
[12:11] <TheMuso> Right.
[12:11] <TheMuso> Will I find anything of note in the spec itself yet?
[12:11] <luisbg> I've got a deb package that it would be nice to get into feisty's universe when it is unfrozen