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| _ion | ^X^C? He must surely mean :q | 02:29 |
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| kung | hi | 04:10 |
| kung | I just noticed, that my distro uses upstart instead of sysvinit | 04:10 |
| kung | nevertheless I'd like to run some of my old scripts...is there a way just to place them somewhere or do I have to rewrite them? | 04:11 |
| AlexExtreme | which distro? | 04:12 |
| AlexExtreme | Ubuntu? | 04:12 |
| kung | yea, edgy | 04:16 |
| kung | kubuntu actually | 04:16 |
| AlexExtreme | well, currently edgy will just run the existing sysvinit scripts, so you won't need to do anything to them | 04:16 |
| AlexExtreme | at least, until feisty is released. | 04:17 |
| kung | okay..then it must be another problem, why my scripts are no more executed..;) | 04:18 |
| kung | they worked for dapper, though. | 04:18 |
| kung | thx anyways | 04:18 |
| kung | :) | 04:18 |
| AlexExtreme | incorrect permissions, maybe? | 04:19 |
| AlexExtreme | what runlevel are they in? /etc/rc2.d? | 04:19 |
| kung | /etc/rc3.d | 04:20 |
| coNP | kung: do you ever switch to runlevel 3? | 04:20 |
| AlexExtreme | add them to rc2.d | 04:20 |
| AlexExtreme | then it should work | 04:20 |
| kung | hmm okay, it worked there in dapper... | 04:21 |
| kung | well and in hoary... | 04:21 |
| kung | ;) | 04:21 |
| kung | I'll move then to rc2.. | 04:21 |
| kung | maybe I changed something to the runlevels back then..dunno | 04:22 |
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| DarkWizzard | hello all | 08:57 |
| DarkWizzard | need help | 08:57 |
| DarkWizzard | I can't start my system | 08:57 |
| DarkWizzard | I'm under windows right now | 08:57 |
| DarkWizzard | it says rcS killed by signal 11 | 08:57 |
| DarkWizzard | and rc-default killed by signal 11 | 08:57 |
| DarkWizzard | thats all | 08:57 |
| _ion | It's segmentation fault. | 08:57 |
| DarkWizzard | before that suddenly it started segfaulting | 08:58 |
| _ion | Faulty RAM? Overclocked, overheating system? | 08:58 |
| DarkWizzard | I went to recovery mode | 08:58 |
| DarkWizzard | dont think so | 08:58 |
| DarkWizzard | windows works fine | 08:58 |
| DarkWizzard | Kubuntu edgy | 08:58 |
| DarkWizzard | this is strange | 08:59 |
| DarkWizzard | edgy is getting stranger by time | 08:59 |
| _ion | The first thing i'd run when programs start to segfault randomly is memtest86. You have it already installed, just select it from the grub menu. | 08:59 |
| DarkWizzard | ok | 08:59 |
| DarkWizzard | what does it do ? | 08:59 |
| _ion | It tests the RAM. | 08:59 |
| DarkWizzard | thats logical | 09:00 |
| DarkWizzard | ok I'll run it and come back | 09:00 |
| DarkWizzard | brb | 09:00 |
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| DarkWizzard | back | 09:19 |
| DarkWizzard | my RAM is ok | 09:19 |
| DarkWizzard | I'm from a live cd | 09:20 |
| DarkWizzard | right now | 09:20 |
| DarkWizzard | I have no ideea what is causing that problem | 09:20 |
| DarkWizzard | maybe a reinstall of my init scripts would do the job | 09:20 |
| _ion | It completed all the tests in... 19 minutes? | 09:20 |
| DarkWizzard | not all | 09:20 |
| DarkWizzard | but I dont have that time | 09:20 |
| DarkWizzard | besides the live cd boots | 09:21 |
| thom | 19 minutes is useless for memtest in general | 09:21 |
| DarkWizzard | its not a hardware problem | 09:22 |
| DarkWizzard | I'm sure of that | 09:22 |
| DarkWizzard | E: Sub-process /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true received a segmentation fault. | 09:23 |
| DarkWizzard | I chrooted to the installed system | 09:23 |
| _ion | You could run debsums from the Live-CD to check for corrupted libraries. | 09:23 |
| DarkWizzard | how ? | 09:24 |
| DarkWizzard | I'm thinking about a clean install but first I have to revive my system and save the data | 09:24 |
| DarkWizzard | to bad this live cd can't write to ntfs partitions | 09:24 |
| DarkWizzard | *too | 09:25 |
| johnnybuoy | ntfs is proprietary | 09:25 |
| johnnybuoy | ... | 09:25 |
| DarkWizzard | what do you mean ? | 09:26 |
| johnnybuoy | too bad you use ntfs... | 09:26 |
| DarkWizzard | well yeah | 09:26 |
| johnnybuoy | well, you can't write in a language you don't know, can you.. | 09:26 |
| DarkWizzard | its from the windows times | 09:26 |
| DarkWizzard | ntfs is writable | 09:26 |
| DarkWizzard | with ntfs-3g | 09:26 |
| _ion | Copy etc/apt/sources.list from your HDD to /etc/apt on the Live-CD, apt-get update, apt-get install debsums, debsums -s -r /your_hdd_mountpoint | 09:26 |
| _ion | (Any of those shouldn't be run inside the chroot) | 09:27 |
| johnnybuoy | DarkWizzard<> what is ntfs-3g? | 09:27 |
| DarkWizzard | a nice little program to handle ntfs filesystems under linux | 09:27 |
| _ion | johnnybuoy: apt-cache show | 09:27 |
| DarkWizzard | it makes them writable | 09:27 |
| johnnybuoy | hmm | 09:28 |
| johnnybuoy | not bad... | 09:28 |
| johnnybuoy | (gentoo here...) | 09:28 |
| _ion | I guess you can install ntfs-3g in a Live-CD session as well. | 09:28 |
| Keybuk | DarkWizzard: if dpkg is also segfaulting, I'd say you have either a corrupted libc, dynamic link loader, or hardware problem, e.g hard drive or RAM | 09:32 |
| _ion | ...And corrupted libraries are likely caused by such a hardware problem. :-) | 09:33 |
| cortana | DarkWizzard: if i were you i'd install debsums and check the integrity of as much as you can | 09:34 |
| cortana | could be tricky on the dodgy system in question tho | 09:34 |
| cortana | doh! | 09:34 |
| _ion | Well, if he was able to start a Live-CD session and a Windows session, running debsums might not be a problem. | 09:35 |
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| DarkWIzzard | back | 09:40 |
| DarkWIzzard | LiveCD gone wild | 09:40 |
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| DarkWizzard | so I need to install debsums | 09:40 |
| DarkWizzard | man I had a hell of a day | 09:40 |
| DarkWizzard | and now this | 09:41 |
| _ion | Please define "gone wild". | 09:42 |
| DarkWizzard | well it stopped spinning | 09:42 |
| DarkWizzard | its an old rewritable cd | 09:42 |
| DarkWizzard | and the system was doing to much | 09:42 |
| DarkWizzard | and nothing responded | 09:42 |
| DarkWizzard | so I just rebooted manually | 09:42 |
| DarkWizzard | sorry I dont have logs on the live cd | 09:43 |
| DarkWizzard | how do I use debsums ? | 09:44 |
| _ion | Copy etc/apt/sources.list from your HDD to /etc/apt in the Live-CD session, apt-get update, apt-get install debsums, debsums -s -r /your_hdd_mountpoint | 09:44 |
| DarkWizzard | ok | 09:45 |
| DarkWizzard | in progress | 09:45 |
| _ion | Run all of that outside any chroot. | 09:45 |
| DarkWizzard | ok | 09:45 |
| DarkWizzard | so it searches for corrupted libraryes ? | 09:45 |
| _ion | Well, yes. | 09:46 |
| DarkWizzard | I always liked kubuntu | 09:47 |
| DarkWizzard | but this release caused far to many problems | 09:47 |
| DarkWizzard | the upgrade was hell | 09:47 |
| DarkWizzard | tomorow I'm going to do a fresh install | 09:47 |
| DarkWizzard | debsums has a lot of output | 09:48 |
| DarkWizzard | debsums: checksum mismatch coreutils file /media/hda3/bin/mv | 09:48 |
| DarkWizzard | and a big list of it | 09:48 |
| DarkWizzard | but I know whats causing it | 09:48 |
| DarkWizzard | I had problem with coreutils | 09:48 |
| DarkWizzard | back in dapper | 09:49 |
| DarkWizzard | mkdir suddenly segfaultedd | 09:49 |
| DarkWizzard | and stty and sleep | 09:49 |
| DarkWizzard | so I built it from source | 09:49 |
| DarkWizzard | and after that it worked | 09:49 |
| _ion | Seems like you've had a hardware problem for a long time, and it's causing more and more visible problems. | 09:49 |
| DarkWizzard | I have the strangest problems | 09:49 |
| DarkWizzard | hmmm | 09:50 |
| DarkWizzard | well this was long ago | 09:50 |
| DarkWizzard | after that everything worked fine | 09:50 |
| DarkWizzard | my pc isn't the best one | 09:50 |
| _ion | (Btw, *never* just install stuff all around the filesystem without the package manager knowing about it.) | 09:51 |
| DarkWizzard | how can I tell the package manager that I installed something from source ? | 09:51 |
| DarkWizzard | debsums: no md5sums for initscripts | 09:51 |
| _ion | Well, for starters, instead of installing coreutils from source you should have identified the faulty piece of hardware and replaced it, and reinstalled the coreutils binary package. | 09:52 |
| DarkWizzard | how do you explain that after installing from source it worked | 09:53 |
| DarkWizzard | if I have faulty hardware ? | 09:53 |
| _ion | It's not like faulty hardware corrupts every single file a program write to the hard disk. | 09:53 |
| _ion | writes | 09:54 |
| DarkWizzard | We'll see if I keep on getting segfaults after a clean install | 09:55 |
| DarkWizzard | I just need to somehow install ntfs-3g on the live cd | 09:55 |
| _ion | Perhaps not immediately, but the system will keep getting more and more unstable, until it's unusable again. | 09:55 |
| DarkWizzard | well this is strange | 09:55 |
| _ion | Install smartmontools, run smartctl -a /dev/hda, watch for errors. Perhaps run a long self-test (smartctl -t long /dev/hda, wait, smartctl -a /dev/hda). Leave memtest running overnight. | 09:56 |
| DarkWizzard | what does smartctl do ?/ | 09:56 |
| _ion | (SMART isn't guaranteed to find a fault even if your HDD, the ATA controller or the cable has one, but it might.) | 09:57 |
| _ion | apt-cache show smartmontools | 09:57 |
| DarkWizzard | but how could I temporary revive my system ? | 09:57 |
| DarkWizzard | does debsums repair anything or only search ? | 09:58 |
| _ion | You might get a temporarily working system by reinstalling packages that debsums complains about. | 09:58 |
| thom | it just tells you what doesn't match | 09:59 |
| DarkWizzard | well | 09:59 |
| DarkWizzard | I cant reinstall from chroot | 09:59 |
| DarkWizzard | you must have guessed why | 09:59 |
| DarkWizzard | dpkg segfaults | 09:59 |
| _ion | Outside chroot: dpkg --root /mountpoint -i package.deb | 10:00 |
| thom | if dpkg segfaults you _definitely_ have flaky hardware | 10:01 |
| _ion | Begin by reinstalling libc6 | 10:01 |
| DarkWizzard | ok | 10:03 |
| DarkWizzard | I just need to get some sleep | 10:03 |
| DarkWizzard | thanks for your help | 10:03 |
| DarkWizzard | good night all (even if its daytime there) | 10:04 |
| _ion | I'd like to emphasize again: you really need to replace the faulty piece of hardware. Otherwise you'll be running to the same perhaps bigger problems again and again. | 10:04 |
| DarkWizzard | ok I'll replace it if I'll have the buget | 10:05 |
| DarkWizzard | you know :) | 10:05 |
| _ion | You've had the problem since the first segfaults you got from the coreutils programs. | 10:05 |
| DarkWizzard | thats the biggest problem | 10:05 |
| DarkWizzard | maybe the os was buggy | 10:05 |
| DarkWizzard | windows never complained about hardware | 10:05 |
| _ion | Sigh. | 10:05 |
| DarkWizzard | and I spend much time under it | 10:06 |
| DarkWizzard | ok ok I understand | 10:06 |
| DarkWizzard | thanks for your help | 10:06 |
| DarkWizzard | bye all | 10:06 |
| _ion | At least leave memtest running overnight. | 10:06 |
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| theCore | I think I found a bug/annoyance in upstart | 11:23 |
| theCore | if you login in GDM really fast | 11:24 |
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| theCore | HAL doesn't have the time to start, therefore GNOME complains that HAL isn't initialized | 11:24 |
| Keybuk | that's not a bug in upstart | 11:25 |
| _ion | That doesn't have to do anything to do... keybuk was faster. :-) | 11:25 |
| Keybuk | that's just a bug in the ubuntu init script ordering | 11:25 |
| _ion | s/to do/with/ | 11:25 |
| _ion | Argh, wrong again. :-) | 11:25 |
| theCore | ah, that's right | 11:25 |
| theCore | I always forget | 11:26 |
| Md | Keybuk: I need help with #397002 | 11:26 |
| theCore | ok, then I fill that for Ubuntu package | 11:27 |
| Keybuk | Md: that's kinda interesting ... you check for /dev/console ? | 11:27 |
| Keybuk | uh, I mean assume stdin==/dev/console | 11:27 |
| Keybuk | RUNLEVEL and PREVLEVEL will be set | 11:28 |
| Md | warn_if_interactive() { | 11:28 |
| Md | if [ "$RUNLEVEL" = "S" -a "$PREVLEVEL" = "N" ] ; then | 11:28 |
| Md | return | 11:28 |
| Md | fi | 11:28 |
| Md | TTY=$(my_tty) | 11:28 |
| Md | if [ -z "$TTY" -o "$TTY" = "/dev/console" ] ; then | 11:28 |
| Md | return | 11:28 |
| Md | fi | 11:28 |
| Md | where my_tty is just like tty(1) | 11:28 |
| Keybuk | ahh, that TTY thing will break, yes | 11:28 |
| Keybuk | it's arguably a bug in the Debian upstart-compat-sysv | 11:28 |
| Keybuk | they should have "console owner" in there for Debian, as Debian lacks Ubuntu's "no boot messages" policy | 11:28 |
| Keybuk | the RUNLEVEL and PREVLEVEL checks should work | 11:29 |
| Keybuk | oh, hmm, bet they don't | 11:29 |
| Keybuk | /etc/event.d/rcS doesn't set RUNLEVEL or PREVLEVEL, because rcS doesn't use them | 11:29 |
| Md | the submitter says that they do not | 11:29 |
| Keybuk | again, but in upstart-compat-sysv | 11:29 |
| Keybuk | s/but/bug/ | 11:29 |
| Md | ok, I will reassign the bug and add this chat to the thread | 11:30 |
| Keybuk | *ndos* | 11:30 |
| Keybuk | *nods* even | 11:30 |
| theCore | I think it is too easy blame upstart, for bugs in the initscript package. It seems people really like to find bug in new software :) | 11:32 |
| Keybuk | I had a bug once blaming upstart for their fonts looking funny | 11:38 |
| _ion | Hehe. | 11:38 |
| theCore | their fonts? | 11:39 |
| theCore | whoa, that's going far ... | 11:39 |
| Md | theCore: people blame udev for everything, maybe next year we will have another scapegoat... | 11:40 |
| theCore | ah, gotta love the clueless newbie | 11:41 |
| Keybuk | Md: people stopped blaming udev in ubuntu | 11:42 |
| Keybuk | it works too well | 11:42 |
| theCore | personally, I never used a Linux system without udev, so I can't judge it | 11:42 |
| Md | it works well in debian too, they just to pretend they know how it works better than I do... | 11:43 |
| theCore | even the LFS I built had udev | 11:43 |
| theCore | so, does dbus support is still planned in upstart? | 11:45 |
| Keybuk | yes | 11:55 |
| Keybuk | either a dbus proxy, or use dbus for upstart's own IPC | 11:55 |
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