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nixternali know imbrandon ;)12:40
nixternalimbrandon and Riddell, i know all about it!! but when I connected, it said I was the only one connected12:41
nixternalso your secret is good with me, as long as the money is good ;)12:42
imbrandon??12:45
imbrandonnixternal: what are you talking about12:46
nixternalwhat opened this morning ;)12:46
imbrandonohh12:46
imbrandonyou listenting to voip ?12:46
nixternali heard you say the whole world knows ;)12:46
nixternalyup12:46
imbrandonheh12:46
nixternali listened to your koffice one too12:46
nixternali have been listening to all kubuntu ones12:46
imbrandonyou guys listen to the koffice one?12:46
nixternali did12:46
imbrandonrockon12:47
nixternalthat is why i was putting the XML info in the channel here hoping someone would grab it12:47
imbrandonthis is the first i've looked at irc all day12:47
nixternalMS and Novell will confir on the XML standard12:47
nixternaland create patches for OOo12:47
nixternalso, I think KO2 will look at going that way, as that is how MS is proposing an "OPen Standard"12:47
nixternalim thinking less than 18 months as well...maybe as soon as next year12:48
imbrandonok afk12:48
Riddellnixternal: eek!01:00
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Riddellhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkRoaming interesting01:53
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nixternalyes it is working02:02
nixternalim listening to whoever is screaming into it02:02
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Lure_Riddell: I was on network-roaming session - we need to review knetworkmanager impact02:16
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nixternalimbrandon: shut off your phone - that is a lot of political stuff coming through ;)03:02
nixternalhahaa03:02
nixternalyou guys are nuts03:03
Hobbseehey nixternal 03:03
nixternalhahaha03:03
nixternalhiya Hobbsee!03:03
nixternalahnold is republican!03:03
Hobbseeimbrandon: you around?03:04
nixternalHobbsee: he is in a room talking some trash right now ;)   i am listening to them03:05
Hobbseenixternal: ahhhh....might be fun to listen to03:05
nixternalfunny stuff today03:05
Hobbseenixternal: what's the current time there?  looks like a good schedule03:06
nixternal18:0003:07
nixternalthey are just now finishing up03:07
nixternalthat kind of sucks for you though ;(03:07
Hobbseedarn it.  indeed. i'm up late today03:07
nixternalbut Hobbsee, i heard they will have the recordings later, now i don't know if that is every room though, or just sabdfl03:07
Hobbseei would have liked the session that's just finishing03:07
Hobbseei can read a wiki :P03:07
nixternalhehe03:07
Hobbseeif they'd written it03:09
Hobbseehopefully i'll be able to get to some more of it on wednesday03:09
nixternali was here all day long03:10
nixternali feel sloppy from sitting in my chair all day03:10
Hobbseehah03:11
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DaSkreechAllo03:25
DaSkreechHobbsee, nixternal, bddebian: Hello :-)03:26
Hobbseehey DaSkreech 03:26
DaSkreechHow are you?03:26
bddebianHeya DaSkreech03:26
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Hobbseejdong: yes, you going to write the sru to get it in?03:27
Hobbseeto edgy?03:27
Hobbseejdong: how's the forum stuff going?03:27
jdongHobbsee: how tough are sru's to write?03:27
Hobbseejdong: dunno, never written one.03:27
crimsunnot difficult.03:27
Hobbseejdong: you've got ot go thru mdz, etc i believe03:28
jdongyeah03:28
jdongcan I cheat and use backports instead? :D03:28
crimsunhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates03:28
crimsunif the fixes are invasive, you don't have a choice.03:28
jdongcrimsun: is feisty not open to uploads yet?03:28
crimsunjdong: no03:28
jdongoh03:28
jdonghehe03:28
jdongI put the patches up on bug 7052903:29
UbugtuMalone bug 70529 in ktorrent "Two patches from upstream SVN" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7052903:29
jdongI'm gonna test those patches for a bit longer03:29
jdonganyone have some spare time and is willing to prepare a source package with those patches?03:29
crimsunthat's you.03:30
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jdongokie :)03:30
jdongthat means no cheap shortcuts for me :D03:31
Hobbseejdong: if you're hte backporter, and you're talking about cheap shortcuts, then i'm afraid.03:31
jdongHobbsee: a few wildcards in debian/rules never hurt anyone :D03:32
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crimsunyou really don't want two members of backporters reading that.03:33
jdongjoking, joking :)03:34
Hobbseewhat'd i miss?03:34
jdongok, proper debdiff uploaded to bug ticket03:41
jdongwill take care of the rest of this SRU stuff when I'm more awake03:41
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Hobbseethat was kinda fun....03:42
=== jdong wonders if backporting from edgy-updates -> dapper is an option?
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crimsunjdong: that's not a suitable SRU candidate.03:49
crimsunjdong: point #2 is a bit of a stretch but conceivable. point #1 is a feature addition and not suitable.03:50
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crimsunjdong: I prefer a -backport request03:50
Hobbseegah, how do i mute the system beep?  or turn it down03:52
jdongcrimsun: yeah, I agree, it's not very -updates suited03:53
jdongcrimsun: how would you feel about doing it as a manual upload to -backports?03:53
Hobbseehmm.  i found a bug03:54
crimsunjdong: I wouldn't have a problem with that.03:54
DaSkreechSweet we closed more bugs than we opened two weeks ina row04:01
jdongcrimsun: who would I contact to approve/disapprove of those patches for inclusion in feisty?04:08
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itsyouhello05:08
Hobbseeheya05:08
itsyoudevelopers here... right?05:09
jdongitsyou: something like that :)05:09
jdongand the occasional pseudo-developer :D05:09
itsyouwell i need to get a request through the kernel developers05:10
jdong#ubuntu-kernel would be better05:10
jdongif any of them are awake at this time05:10
itsyoureally? OK.05:10
itsyoulet me go there. Thanks !05:10
jdongthis is more of a kubuntu developers channel05:10
jdongstuff related to KDE or KDE packages here05:11
Hobbseeitsyou: they're all at a conference, and mostly at dinner at the moment05:11
Hobbseeitsyou: so you probably wont find them today05:11
HobbseeUptime: 2 hours and 20 minutes05:11
Hobbseenice :)05:11
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Hobbseehey Lure 05:11
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itsyouyep, that channel is silent05:12
jdonghttp://buntudot.org/people/~jdong/ktorrent/bug70529/05:12
Lure_hi Hobbsee05:12
jdong^^ KTorrent 2.0.3 with two svn backports, dapper/edgy packages call for testing05:12
jdongreport back to launchpad ticket05:12
HobbseeLure_: how hard is kmilo to hack?05:13
Lure_Hobbsee: not hard - it is not that much code.05:13
Lure_Hobbsee: what do you want to do?05:13
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jdongbut then realized his problem lied in KMix's dcop interface05:14
jdongand then gave up :D05:14
HobbseeLure_: adding some of my laptop buttons (dell 6400) to it05:14
Lure_Hobbsee: to generic or to dell module? are keys returning proper keycodes?05:15
HobbseeLure_: havent looked yet05:15
Hobbseeand i dont understand the first questoin05:15
Lure_does anybody know for any open smtp server that could be used to sent @ubuntu/kubuntu mail? 05:16
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HobbseeLure_: sure, ubuntu has one05:16
Lure_Hobbsee: yes? which one?05:16
Hobbsees = smtplib.SMTP('fiordland.ubuntu.com')05:16
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Hobbseedoesnt require authing or anything05:17
Hobbseeit's what gets used for the request sync, now :)05:17
HobbseeLure_: someone's already added it, it just hasnt been fixed05:18
crimsunjdong: eh? I suppose anyone in core-dev05:20
crimsunjdong: I don't see feisty as problematic wrt ktorrent, because the floodgates will be open "soon"05:20
jdongok05:20
jdongcrimsun: I'm gonna let that backport candidate sit and test for a bit more, but eventually I'll need someone to upload it05:21
Lure_Hobbsee: fiordland.ubuntu.com does not seem to work for me :-(05:22
HobbseeLure_: darn!05:22
HobbseeLure_: those keycodes for the dell 6400 are right, if you wanted to add them05:22
Lure_Hobbsee: where are they? on wiki?05:22
HobbseeLure_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/Keycodes?highlight=%28LukaRenko%2905:23
crimsunjdong: rule of thumb is that at least 5 people need to ACK a working backport05:23
=== Hobbsee wonders if we can chuck that sort of thing into -updates
jdongcrimsun: ok, sounds good05:23
Hobbseeelse, i'll just use a local package, and get it into feisty :)05:25
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jdongcrimsun: I am gonna register a Ubuntu Backports Testing Team to try to recruit more beta testers from the forums... any objections?05:28
crimsunjdong: not at all05:28
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jdongok05:29
claydohwoah! ktorrent rocks now05:29
Lure_Hobbsee: ok, the following keycodes are not mapped: 170, 204, 212 and 101 - we would need to add some sensible xkeysyms to /usr/share/apps/kxkb/ubuntu.xmodmap  05:30
Lure_Hobbsee: and some sane default action in kmilo - this will not be accepted in -updates for sure05:30
HobbseeLure_: and some of the multimedia keys on the front05:31
Lure_Hobbsee: ?05:31
Lure_Hobbsee: multimedia keys are handled by apps themself (amarok...)05:31
HobbseeLure_:  play/pause doesnt work05:31
Hobbseeahh okay05:31
Lure_Hobbsee: really? what does it do? nothing?05:32
HobbseeLure_: yep05:32
HobbseeLure_: track forward also does nothing05:32
HobbseeLure_: the rest on the front work05:33
Hobbsee204 212 work here.05:34
Hobbseesorry, 212, 101 work here05:34
Hobbsee204 doesnt05:34
Hobbsee170 doesnt05:34
jdongclaydoh: lol,what makes it rock? :D05:34
HobbseeLure_: ^05:34
Lure_Hobbsee: I can see why play/pause would not work, but not why next track would not work - can you check amarok -> Settings -> Configure global shortcuts05:35
claydohwell nosht connecttions as far as I can see, but it conneted to the tracker almot instataneously angd with good speed05:35
claydohit has never done that for this tracker05:35
HobbseeLure_: ahhh,, they're set differently05:36
claydohum, no dht connections as far as I can see05:36
Lure_Hobbsee: they should match (XF86xxxx)05:36
claydohrather05:36
jdongclaydoh: yeah, there's been steady improvement in the performance department05:36
jdongclaydoh: if you're testing the packages I posted, the DHT tick marks will still show X'es for uTorrent05:36
HobbseeLure_: way cool :)05:37
jdongbut if a forced ping to uTorrent succeeds and a new node is discovered, the node count will increment05:37
HobbseeLure_: if i set them manually, they do05:37
claydohwas gonna try out another svn version, but have been trying out qbittorrent05:37
jdongin my testing I was able to get 50 nodes off a forced uTorrent peer05:37
jdongbefore this patch it was unable to get any nodes off uTorrent05:37
Lure_Hobbsee: do not understand why they do not work out of the box05:37
HobbseeLure_: neither05:37
claydohi also connect to all peers, tho the  2 I am using don't have many seeders/leechers05:38
jdongclaydoh: I've got svn debs at http://buntudot.org/people/~jdong/ktorrent/ if you feel particularly lazy :D05:39
claydohduh!05:39
claydohalready there05:39
jdong:D05:39
jdongsome are quicker to catch on :D05:39
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claydoh:)05:39
claydohusing the one in reference to the bug 7052905:40
UbugtuMalone bug 70529 in edgy-backports "Two patches from upstream SVN" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7052905:40
HobbseeLure_: what would happen if we hardcoded those keys into amarok as alternate keys?  would they be recognised?05:41
Lure_Hobbsee: this is what should be done by default 05:41
HobbseeLure_: yes...hmmm....05:41
Lure_Hobbsee: maybe it works only for new users (new .kde)05:42
HobbseeLure_: possibly.  what's weird is that some keys have been put in, and others havent - and this is from the .kde where there were no multimedia buttons05:42
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jdongclaydoh: that's still 2.0.3 with some SVN patches... look in the svn-* directories for actual 2.1~dev SVN packages05:43
HobbseeLure_: oh, and that bluetooth section - that seems to work fine anyway05:43
claydohdone :)05:43
Hobbseebleh.  i cant see where it goes in05:44
HobbseeLure_: you know, this c++ looks kinda different from the stuff we do thru uni :P05:49
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Riddell\sh_away: fancy packaging the new pyqt 4 and pykde 3?06:16
Riddell\sh_away: sebas says he'll buy you a beer06:16
Hobbseehey Riddell!  how's UDS going?06:18
RiddellHobbsee: busy busy!06:29
HobbseeRiddell: :)06:29
HobbseeRiddell: so you're going to have amazing stuff to bring back and implement, so kubuntu will rock, and i can just sit back and relax :)06:29
Riddellmmmmm06:30
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HobbseeRiddell: yay, you agree!  :)06:36
Hobbsee:P06:36
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Riddellimbrandon: we should replace openoffice base with kexi, it works better 07:24
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Kuhrschersebas: Do you have one minute?12:20
_Sime\sh_away: Are you on the PyKDE mailing list?12:25
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Hobbseehey sredna 01:24
srednaHi Hobbsee :)01:24
srednaHow are you?01:24
Hobbseesredna: good, reading crackful suggestions on the forums :)01:25
Hobbseesredna: and i just got home from work01:25
sredna:-)01:25
srednaSo did I, and now I have to go work a bit on my boat, to get it ready for the winter seacon01:25
Hobbseefun :)01:25
Hobbseewinter?01:25
Hobbseeyou'd be german or something?01:26
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Hobbseeooh, interesting :)01:30
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Hobbseehey el!01:53
elheya Hobbsee :)01:54
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hungerAnyone considering to package basket notepad now that it went stable?02:15
abattoirhunger: seaLne is packaging it, if i'm not mistaken02:16
abattoiror has packaged it...02:17
abattoir(edgy packages are available at basket.kde.org)02:18
hungerabattoir: Thanks for the info.02:18
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abattoiractually only i386 :P02:19
abattoirhunger: no problem :)02:19
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JohnFlux2anyone in ca and awake?02:44
JohnFlux2i think breakfast starts at 6? or 7?02:45
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bddebianHeya03:52
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srednaThere is something broken with konquerors toolbars, sometimes a window shows unwanted toolbars04:42
srednaI wonder if it04:43
srednaS a kubuntu thing, or a kde one04:43
fdovingtonio is working on that, afaik.04:43
fdovinghe mentioned the bug some time ago.04:44
srednaThanks :)04:54
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LeeJunFanIs there a reason the patch for kopete to get back on AIM/ICQ hasn't hit the repos yet? #69583 Seems the fix has been known since the day it broke a week ago.04:59
LeeJunFanJust getting a lot of people asking and I want to know what to tell them.04:59
mhb_hi all05:16
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mhbdoes somebody have more info about today's mtv schedule?05:19
abattoirmhb: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/uds-mtv/2006-11-06/ , i think05:20
mhbthanks05:22
mhbthey should have updated the wiki05:22
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MidMarkhi05:44
MidMarkI've noticed that here -> http://www.kubuntu.org/documentation.php there is a lot of confusion05:44
MidMarkthere is a link to the 6.06 release notes05:44
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RiddellMidMark: doh, I havn't updated that yet05:44
MidMarkRiddell: the strange thing is, look at the link, inside it talks about 6.10 but it says 7.04 Feisty!05:45
MidMarkso: 6.06 release notes link -> talk about 6.10 -> but refer to 7.0405:45
MidMarkhow many version??? :)05:46
Riddellat least that will cover most of our users :)05:46
MidMarklol05:47
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nixternalhey Riddell, i provided a fix for the documentation.php previously..if you want me to resend it to you, let me know05:48
Riddellnixternal: I must hve missed or forgotten about that, please resend05:51
nixternalRiddell: http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/kwww-doc.diff05:53
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Riddellhah, jjesse has also sent me an e-mail about that06:09
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imbrandonmoins nixternal 06:15
imbrandon( and everyone )06:16
nixternalmoins imbrandon ;)06:19
Riddellnixternal: applied, many thanks06:30
nixternalno problem sir06:33
MidMarknice06:34
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bobesponjahey06:52
bobesponjaI suppose you use script to add the 'Get Help Online' and 'Translate this application' links to the Help menu in the toolbar of each app06:53
bobesponjaany idea where I could find those scripts?06:53
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Riddellbobesponja: it's not a script, it's a patch to kdelibs07:06
bobesponjaRiddell: k thanx, and may I ask where to find it? :)07:07
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fdovingbobesponja: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs_3.5.5-0ubuntu3.diff.gz - it's somewhere in the diff.07:13
fdovinghttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs_3.5.5.orig.tar.gz07:13
bobesponjafdoving: thanx a lot07:13
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fdovingbobesponja: I actually have a recent kdelibs locally, uploaded the patch to http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kubuntu_51_launchpad_integration.diff07:16
bobesponjafdoving: thanx again07:19
fdovingno problem :)07:19
bobesponjafdoving: does the kdelibs_3.5.5-0ubuntu3.diff.gz  contains all the change yo do to kde? 07:22
fdovingyes.07:23
fdovingthat's the idea.07:23
fdovingthere is one diff for every package.07:23
fdovingand we have kubuntu-default-settings to override some default settings too.07:24
fdoving(that's a package)07:24
bobesponjayou mean one diff for every package about the launchpad stuff too?07:25
fdovingno.07:25
fdovingthat's just kdeibs.07:25
fdovingkdelibs.07:25
bobesponjawhat change do you do to all the other package?07:25
bobesponjaI mean what kind of change :)07:26
fdovingmostly packaging related changes.07:27
fdovingas far as i'm aware.07:27
bobesponjayou mean change to debian package?07:29
fdovingyes.07:29
bobesponjak thanx a lot for taking the time to answer all my questions07:30
fdovingno problem. :)07:30
bobesponjamaybe we could write a howto for people that want to make kubuntu derivs so they can easily modificate stuff like kubuntu icons and links to launchpad and stuff07:31
fdovinggo ahead :)07:32
fdovingthe wiki is a nice place to start :)07:33
bobesponjafdoving: does kubuntu-default-settings contains any artwork change?07:34
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bobesponjaok, got the source and it does :)07:42
fdovingbobesponja: it contains the default wallpaper, the kmenu side image, the panel background, the kdm theme, ksplash theme, etc.07:42
bobesponjafdoving: what's that .bz?07:44
bobesponjaI mean .bzr07:44
fdovingbazaar revision history.07:44
fdoving!bzr07:45
ubotubzr is Bazaar-NG, a decentralized revision control system designed to be easy for developers and end users alike. Decentralized revision control systems give people the ability to work over the internet using the bazaar development model.07:45
bobesponjak thanx, looks cool07:46
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bobesponjafdoving: another question. is there a script to create a livecd from a kubuntu install? or do you setup the kubuntu livecd patching the ubuntu one to use kubiquiti and kubuntu artwork?08:02
fdovingI don't know anything about livecd-making. not into that. sorry.08:03
bobesponjak, no problem. Maybe the kubuntu devel is more appropriate for that08:04
bobesponjaI meant mailling list08:04
fdovingthe wiki got some info on modifying livecds.08:04
fdovinghttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6.0608:05
bobesponjathanx again :)08:06
fdovingalso http://uck.sourceforge.net/08:08
fdovingcould be usefull.08:08
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vandenoeverhi guys, which package do i need to be able to do 'man select' ?10:39
bddebianmandb?10:41
vandenoeverah, found it: manpages-dev10:41
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