[12:40] <nixternal> i know imbrandon ;)
[12:41] <nixternal> imbrandon and Riddell, i know all about it!! but when I connected, it said I was the only one connected
[12:42] <nixternal> so your secret is good with me, as long as the money is good ;)
[12:45] <imbrandon> ??
[12:46] <imbrandon> nixternal: what are you talking about
[12:46] <nixternal> what opened this morning ;)
[12:46] <imbrandon> ohh
[12:46] <imbrandon> you listenting to voip ?
[12:46] <nixternal> i heard you say the whole world knows ;)
[12:46] <nixternal> yup
[12:46] <imbrandon> heh
[12:46] <nixternal> i listened to your koffice one too
[12:46] <nixternal> i have been listening to all kubuntu ones
[12:46] <imbrandon> you guys listen to the koffice one?
[12:46] <nixternal> i did
[12:47] <imbrandon> rockon
[12:47] <nixternal> that is why i was putting the XML info in the channel here hoping someone would grab it
[12:47] <imbrandon> this is the first i've looked at irc all day
[12:47] <nixternal> MS and Novell will confir on the XML standard
[12:47] <nixternal> and create patches for OOo
[12:47] <nixternal> so, I think KO2 will look at going that way, as that is how MS is proposing an "OPen Standard"
[12:48] <nixternal> im thinking less than 18 months as well...maybe as soon as next year
[12:48] <imbrandon> ok afk
[01:00] <Riddell> nixternal: eek!
[01:53] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkRoaming interesting
[02:02] <nixternal> yes it is working
[02:02] <nixternal> im listening to whoever is screaming into it
[02:16] <Lure_> Riddell: I was on network-roaming session - we need to review knetworkmanager impact
[03:02] <nixternal> imbrandon: shut off your phone - that is a lot of political stuff coming through ;)
[03:02] <nixternal> hahaa
[03:03] <nixternal> you guys are nuts
[03:03] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal 
[03:03] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:03] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[03:03] <nixternal> ahnold is republican!
[03:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you around?
[03:05] <nixternal> Hobbsee: he is in a room talking some trash right now ;)   i am listening to them
[03:05] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ahhhh....might be fun to listen to
[03:05] <nixternal> funny stuff today
[03:06] <Hobbsee> nixternal: what's the current time there?  looks like a good schedule
[03:07] <nixternal> 18:00
[03:07] <nixternal> they are just now finishing up
[03:07] <nixternal> that kind of sucks for you though ;(
[03:07] <Hobbsee> darn it.  indeed. i'm up late today
[03:07] <nixternal> but Hobbsee, i heard they will have the recordings later, now i don't know if that is every room though, or just sabdfl
[03:07] <Hobbsee> i would have liked the session that's just finishing
[03:07] <Hobbsee> i can read a wiki :P
[03:07] <nixternal> hehe
[03:09] <Hobbsee> if they'd written it
[03:09] <Hobbsee> hopefully i'll be able to get to some more of it on wednesday
[03:10] <nixternal> i was here all day long
[03:10] <nixternal> i feel sloppy from sitting in my chair all day
[03:11] <Hobbsee> hah
[03:25] <DaSkreech> Allo
[03:26] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee, nixternal, bddebian: Hello :-)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech 
[03:26] <DaSkreech> How are you?
[03:26] <bddebian> Heya DaSkreech
[03:27] <Hobbsee> jdong: yes, you going to write the sru to get it in?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> to edgy?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> jdong: how's the forum stuff going?
[03:27] <jdong> Hobbsee: how tough are sru's to write?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> jdong: dunno, never written one.
[03:27] <crimsun> not difficult.
[03:28] <Hobbsee> jdong: you've got ot go thru mdz, etc i believe
[03:28] <jdong> yeah
[03:28] <jdong> can I cheat and use backports instead? :D
[03:28] <crimsun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[03:28] <crimsun> if the fixes are invasive, you don't have a choice.
[03:28] <jdong> crimsun: is feisty not open to uploads yet?
[03:28] <crimsun> jdong: no
[03:28] <jdong> oh
[03:28] <jdong> hehe
[03:29] <jdong> I put the patches up on bug 70529
[03:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70529 in ktorrent "Two patches from upstream SVN" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70529
[03:29] <jdong> I'm gonna test those patches for a bit longer
[03:29] <jdong> anyone have some spare time and is willing to prepare a source package with those patches?
[03:30] <crimsun> that's you.
[03:30] <jdong> okie :)
[03:31] <jdong> that means no cheap shortcuts for me :D
[03:31] <Hobbsee> jdong: if you're hte backporter, and you're talking about cheap shortcuts, then i'm afraid.
[03:32] <jdong> Hobbsee: a few wildcards in debian/rules never hurt anyone :D
[03:33] <crimsun> you really don't want two members of backporters reading that.
[03:34] <jdong> joking, joking :)
[03:34] <Hobbsee> what'd i miss?
[03:41] <jdong> ok, proper debdiff uploaded to bug ticket
[03:41] <jdong> will take care of the rest of this SRU stuff when I'm more awake
[03:42] <Hobbsee> that was kinda fun....
[03:49] <crimsun> jdong: that's not a suitable SRU candidate.
[03:50] <crimsun> jdong: point #2 is a bit of a stretch but conceivable. point #1 is a feature addition and not suitable.
[03:50] <crimsun> jdong: I prefer a -backport request
[03:52] <Hobbsee> gah, how do i mute the system beep?  or turn it down
[03:53] <jdong> crimsun: yeah, I agree, it's not very -updates suited
[03:53] <jdong> crimsun: how would you feel about doing it as a manual upload to -backports?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> hmm.  i found a bug
[03:54] <crimsun> jdong: I wouldn't have a problem with that.
[04:01] <DaSkreech> Sweet we closed more bugs than we opened two weeks ina row
[04:08] <jdong> crimsun: who would I contact to approve/disapprove of those patches for inclusion in feisty?
[05:08] <itsyou> hello
[05:08] <Hobbsee> heya
[05:09] <itsyou> developers here... right?
[05:09] <jdong> itsyou: something like that :)
[05:09] <jdong> and the occasional pseudo-developer :D
[05:10] <itsyou> well i need to get a request through the kernel developers
[05:10] <jdong> #ubuntu-kernel would be better
[05:10] <jdong> if any of them are awake at this time
[05:10] <itsyou> really? OK.
[05:10] <itsyou> let me go there. Thanks !
[05:10] <jdong> this is more of a kubuntu developers channel
[05:11] <jdong> stuff related to KDE or KDE packages here
[05:11] <Hobbsee> itsyou: they're all at a conference, and mostly at dinner at the moment
[05:11] <Hobbsee> itsyou: so you probably wont find them today
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Uptime: 2 hours and 20 minutes
[05:11] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[05:11] <Hobbsee> hey Lure 
[05:12] <itsyou> yep, that channel is silent
[05:12] <jdong> http://buntudot.org/people/~jdong/ktorrent/bug70529/
[05:12] <Lure_> hi Hobbsee
[05:12] <jdong> ^^ KTorrent 2.0.3 with two svn backports, dapper/edgy packages call for testing
[05:12] <jdong> report back to launchpad ticket
[05:13] <Hobbsee> Lure_: how hard is kmilo to hack?
[05:13] <Lure_> Hobbsee: not hard - it is not that much code.
[05:13] <Lure_> Hobbsee: what do you want to do?
[05:14] <jdong> but then realized his problem lied in KMix's dcop interface
[05:14] <jdong> and then gave up :D
[05:14] <Hobbsee> Lure_: adding some of my laptop buttons (dell 6400) to it
[05:15] <Lure_> Hobbsee: to generic or to dell module? are keys returning proper keycodes?
[05:15] <Hobbsee> Lure_: havent looked yet
[05:15] <Hobbsee> and i dont understand the first questoin
[05:16] <Lure_> does anybody know for any open smtp server that could be used to sent @ubuntu/kubuntu mail? 
[05:16] <Hobbsee> Lure_: sure, ubuntu has one
[05:16] <Lure_> Hobbsee: yes? which one?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> s = smtplib.SMTP('fiordland.ubuntu.com')
[05:17] <Hobbsee> doesnt require authing or anything
[05:17] <Hobbsee> it's what gets used for the request sync, now :)
[05:18] <Hobbsee> Lure_: someone's already added it, it just hasnt been fixed
[05:20] <crimsun> jdong: eh? I suppose anyone in core-dev
[05:20] <crimsun> jdong: I don't see feisty as problematic wrt ktorrent, because the floodgates will be open "soon"
[05:20] <jdong> ok
[05:21] <jdong> crimsun: I'm gonna let that backport candidate sit and test for a bit more, but eventually I'll need someone to upload it
[05:22] <Lure_> Hobbsee: fiordland.ubuntu.com does not seem to work for me :-(
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Lure_: darn!
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Lure_: those keycodes for the dell 6400 are right, if you wanted to add them
[05:22] <Lure_> Hobbsee: where are they? on wiki?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> Lure_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/Keycodes?highlight=%28LukaRenko%29
[05:23] <crimsun> jdong: rule of thumb is that at least 5 people need to ACK a working backport
[05:23] <jdong> crimsun: ok, sounds good
[05:25] <Hobbsee> else, i'll just use a local package, and get it into feisty :)
[05:28] <jdong> crimsun: I am gonna register a Ubuntu Backports Testing Team to try to recruit more beta testers from the forums... any objections?
[05:28] <crimsun> jdong: not at all
[05:29] <jdong> ok
[05:29] <claydoh> woah! ktorrent rocks now
[05:30] <Lure_> Hobbsee: ok, the following keycodes are not mapped: 170, 204, 212 and 101 - we would need to add some sensible xkeysyms to /usr/share/apps/kxkb/ubuntu.xmodmap  
[05:30] <Lure_> Hobbsee: and some sane default action in kmilo - this will not be accepted in -updates for sure
[05:31] <Hobbsee> Lure_: and some of the multimedia keys on the front
[05:31] <Lure_> Hobbsee: ?
[05:31] <Lure_> Hobbsee: multimedia keys are handled by apps themself (amarok...)
[05:31] <Hobbsee> Lure_:  play/pause doesnt work
[05:31] <Hobbsee> ahh okay
[05:32] <Lure_> Hobbsee: really? what does it do? nothing?
[05:32] <Hobbsee> Lure_: yep
[05:32] <Hobbsee> Lure_: track forward also does nothing
[05:33] <Hobbsee> Lure_: the rest on the front work
[05:34] <Hobbsee> 204 212 work here.
[05:34] <Hobbsee> sorry, 212, 101 work here
[05:34] <Hobbsee> 204 doesnt
[05:34] <Hobbsee> 170 doesnt
[05:34] <jdong> claydoh: lol,what makes it rock? :D
[05:34] <Hobbsee> Lure_: ^
[05:35] <Lure_> Hobbsee: I can see why play/pause would not work, but not why next track would not work - can you check amarok -> Settings -> Configure global shortcuts
[05:35] <claydoh> well nosht connecttions as far as I can see, but it conneted to the tracker almot instataneously angd with good speed
[05:35] <claydoh> it has never done that for this tracker
[05:36] <Hobbsee> Lure_: ahhh,, they're set differently
[05:36] <claydoh> um, no dht connections as far as I can see
[05:36] <Lure_> Hobbsee: they should match (XF86xxxx)
[05:36] <claydoh> rather
[05:36] <jdong> claydoh: yeah, there's been steady improvement in the performance department
[05:36] <jdong> claydoh: if you're testing the packages I posted, the DHT tick marks will still show X'es for uTorrent
[05:37] <Hobbsee> Lure_: way cool :)
[05:37] <jdong> but if a forced ping to uTorrent succeeds and a new node is discovered, the node count will increment
[05:37] <Hobbsee> Lure_: if i set them manually, they do
[05:37] <claydoh> was gonna try out another svn version, but have been trying out qbittorrent
[05:37] <jdong> in my testing I was able to get 50 nodes off a forced uTorrent peer
[05:37] <jdong> before this patch it was unable to get any nodes off uTorrent
[05:37] <Lure_> Hobbsee: do not understand why they do not work out of the box
[05:37] <Hobbsee> Lure_: neither
[05:38] <claydoh> i also connect to all peers, tho the  2 I am using don't have many seeders/leechers
[05:39] <jdong> claydoh: I've got svn debs at http://buntudot.org/people/~jdong/ktorrent/ if you feel particularly lazy :D
[05:39] <claydoh> duh!
[05:39] <claydoh> already there
[05:39] <jdong> :D
[05:39] <jdong> some are quicker to catch on :D
[05:39] <claydoh> :)
[05:40] <claydoh> using the one in reference to the bug 70529
[05:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70529 in edgy-backports "Two patches from upstream SVN" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70529
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Lure_: what would happen if we hardcoded those keys into amarok as alternate keys?  would they be recognised?
[05:41] <Lure_> Hobbsee: this is what should be done by default 
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Lure_: yes...hmmm....
[05:42] <Lure_> Hobbsee: maybe it works only for new users (new .kde)
[05:42] <Hobbsee> Lure_: possibly.  what's weird is that some keys have been put in, and others havent - and this is from the .kde where there were no multimedia buttons
[05:43] <jdong> claydoh: that's still 2.0.3 with some SVN patches... look in the svn-* directories for actual 2.1~dev SVN packages
[05:43] <Hobbsee> Lure_: oh, and that bluetooth section - that seems to work fine anyway
[05:43] <claydoh> done :)
[05:44] <Hobbsee> bleh.  i cant see where it goes in
[05:49] <Hobbsee> Lure_: you know, this c++ looks kinda different from the stuff we do thru uni :P
[06:16] <Riddell> \sh_away: fancy packaging the new pyqt 4 and pykde 3?
[06:16] <Riddell> \sh_away: sebas says he'll buy you a beer
[06:18] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell!  how's UDS going?
[06:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: busy busy!
[06:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: :)
[06:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so you're going to have amazing stuff to bring back and implement, so kubuntu will rock, and i can just sit back and relax :)
[06:30] <Riddell> mmmmm
[06:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yay, you agree!  :)
[06:36] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:24] <Riddell> imbrandon: we should replace openoffice base with kexi, it works better 
[12:20] <Kuhrscher> sebas: Do you have one minute?
[12:25] <_Sime> \sh_away: Are you on the PyKDE mailing list?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> hey sredna 
[01:24] <sredna> Hi Hobbsee :)
[01:24] <sredna> How are you?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> sredna: good, reading crackful suggestions on the forums :)
[01:25] <Hobbsee> sredna: and i just got home from work
[01:25] <sredna> :-)
[01:25] <sredna> So did I, and now I have to go work a bit on my boat, to get it ready for the winter seacon
[01:25] <Hobbsee> fun :)
[01:25] <Hobbsee> winter?
[01:26] <Hobbsee> you'd be german or something?
[01:30] <Hobbsee> ooh, interesting :)
[01:53] <Hobbsee> hey el!
[01:54] <el> heya Hobbsee :)
[02:15] <hunger> Anyone considering to package basket notepad now that it went stable?
[02:16] <abattoir> hunger: seaLne is packaging it, if i'm not mistaken
[02:17] <abattoir> or has packaged it...
[02:18] <abattoir> (edgy packages are available at basket.kde.org)
[02:18] <hunger> abattoir: Thanks for the info.
[02:19] <abattoir> actually only i386 :P
[02:19] <abattoir> hunger: no problem :)
[02:44] <JohnFlux2> anyone in ca and awake?
[02:45] <JohnFlux2> i think breakfast starts at 6? or 7?
[03:52] <bddebian> Heya
[04:42] <sredna> There is something broken with konquerors toolbars, sometimes a window shows unwanted toolbars
[04:43] <sredna> I wonder if it
[04:43] <sredna> S a kubuntu thing, or a kde one
[04:43] <fdoving> tonio is working on that, afaik.
[04:44] <fdoving> he mentioned the bug some time ago.
[04:54] <sredna> Thanks :)
[04:59] <LeeJunFan> Is there a reason the patch for kopete to get back on AIM/ICQ hasn't hit the repos yet? #69583 Seems the fix has been known since the day it broke a week ago.
[04:59] <LeeJunFan> Just getting a lot of people asking and I want to know what to tell them.
[05:16] <mhb_> hi all
[05:19] <mhb> does somebody have more info about today's mtv schedule?
[05:20] <abattoir> mhb: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/uds-mtv/2006-11-06/ , i think
[05:22] <mhb> thanks
[05:22] <mhb> they should have updated the wiki
[05:44] <MidMark> hi
[05:44] <MidMark> I've noticed that here -> http://www.kubuntu.org/documentation.php there is a lot of confusion
[05:44] <MidMark> there is a link to the 6.06 release notes
[05:44] <Riddell> MidMark: doh, I havn't updated that yet
[05:45] <MidMark> Riddell: the strange thing is, look at the link, inside it talks about 6.10 but it says 7.04 Feisty!
[05:45] <MidMark> so: 6.06 release notes link -> talk about 6.10 -> but refer to 7.04
[05:46] <MidMark> how many version??? :)
[05:46] <Riddell> at least that will cover most of our users :)
[05:47] <MidMark> lol
[05:48] <nixternal> hey Riddell, i provided a fix for the documentation.php previously..if you want me to resend it to you, let me know
[05:51] <Riddell> nixternal: I must hve missed or forgotten about that, please resend
[05:53] <nixternal> Riddell: http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/kwww-doc.diff
[06:09] <Riddell> hah, jjesse has also sent me an e-mail about that
[06:15] <imbrandon> moins nixternal 
[06:16] <imbrandon> ( and everyone )
[06:19] <nixternal> moins imbrandon ;)
[06:30] <Riddell> nixternal: applied, many thanks
[06:33] <nixternal> no problem sir
[06:34] <MidMark> nice
[06:52] <bobesponja> hey
[06:53] <bobesponja> I suppose you use script to add the 'Get Help Online' and 'Translate this application' links to the Help menu in the toolbar of each app
[06:53] <bobesponja> any idea where I could find those scripts?
[07:06] <Riddell> bobesponja: it's not a script, it's a patch to kdelibs
[07:07] <bobesponja> Riddell: k thanx, and may I ask where to find it? :)
[07:13] <fdoving> bobesponja: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs_3.5.5-0ubuntu3.diff.gz - it's somewhere in the diff.
[07:13] <fdoving> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs_3.5.5.orig.tar.gz
[07:13] <bobesponja> fdoving: thanx a lot
[07:16] <fdoving> bobesponja: I actually have a recent kdelibs locally, uploaded the patch to http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kubuntu_51_launchpad_integration.diff
[07:19] <bobesponja> fdoving: thanx again
[07:19] <fdoving> no problem :)
[07:22] <bobesponja> fdoving: does the kdelibs_3.5.5-0ubuntu3.diff.gz  contains all the change yo do to kde? 
[07:23] <fdoving> yes.
[07:23] <fdoving> that's the idea.
[07:23] <fdoving> there is one diff for every package.
[07:24] <fdoving> and we have kubuntu-default-settings to override some default settings too.
[07:24] <fdoving> (that's a package)
[07:25] <bobesponja> you mean one diff for every package about the launchpad stuff too?
[07:25] <fdoving> no.
[07:25] <fdoving> that's just kdeibs.
[07:25] <fdoving> kdelibs.
[07:25] <bobesponja> what change do you do to all the other package?
[07:26] <bobesponja> I mean what kind of change :)
[07:27] <fdoving> mostly packaging related changes.
[07:27] <fdoving> as far as i'm aware.
[07:29] <bobesponja> you mean change to debian package?
[07:29] <fdoving> yes.
[07:30] <bobesponja> k thanx a lot for taking the time to answer all my questions
[07:30] <fdoving> no problem. :)
[07:31] <bobesponja> maybe we could write a howto for people that want to make kubuntu derivs so they can easily modificate stuff like kubuntu icons and links to launchpad and stuff
[07:32] <fdoving> go ahead :)
[07:33] <fdoving> the wiki is a nice place to start :)
[07:34] <bobesponja> fdoving: does kubuntu-default-settings contains any artwork change?
[07:42] <bobesponja> ok, got the source and it does :)
[07:42] <fdoving> bobesponja: it contains the default wallpaper, the kmenu side image, the panel background, the kdm theme, ksplash theme, etc.
[07:44] <bobesponja> fdoving: what's that .bz?
[07:44] <bobesponja> I mean .bzr
[07:44] <fdoving> bazaar revision history.
[07:45] <fdoving> !bzr
[07:45] <ubotu> bzr is Bazaar-NG, a decentralized revision control system designed to be easy for developers and end users alike. Decentralized revision control systems give people the ability to work over the internet using the bazaar development model.
[07:46] <bobesponja> k thanx, looks cool
[08:02] <bobesponja> fdoving: another question. is there a script to create a livecd from a kubuntu install? or do you setup the kubuntu livecd patching the ubuntu one to use kubiquiti and kubuntu artwork?
[08:03] <fdoving> I don't know anything about livecd-making. not into that. sorry.
[08:04] <bobesponja> k, no problem. Maybe the kubuntu devel is more appropriate for that
[08:04] <bobesponja> I meant mailling list
[08:04] <fdoving> the wiki got some info on modifying livecds.
[08:05] <fdoving> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6.06
[08:06] <bobesponja> thanx again :)
[08:08] <fdoving> also http://uck.sourceforge.net/
[08:08] <fdoving> could be usefull.
[08:11] <bobesponja> k 
[09:17] <xeros> status
[09:17] <xeros> sorry
[10:39] <vandenoever> hi guys, which package do i need to be able to do 'man select' ?
[10:41] <bddebian> mandb?
[10:41] <vandenoever> ah, found it: manpages-dev