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UbugtuNew bug: #70511 in malone "Use packaging links on +distrotask" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7051112:35
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UbugtuNew bug: #70518 in launchpad "Notify team members when their membership is going to expire" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7051801:45
UbugtuNew bug: #70519 in launchpad "Need to allow team members to renew their own membership once it gets close to the membership's expiration date" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7051901:45
malccWe should make Ubugtu also report on bugs fixed01:45
malccOtherwise some days this channel is just depressing01:46
jameshwe could just disable filing of new bugs01:47
jameshsay that launchpad doesn't use malone for bug tracking anymore01:48
malccWe could use bugzilla01:51
stubWe could go home01:51
malccHmm, and I set out to make the channel less depressing. Didn't really get what I was gaming for there...01:52
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danilosmalcc: you need to use smileys :) you know, be cheerful :D02:21
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carlosstub: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filecXfcFI.html02:33
carlosstub: could you review it?02:33
carloshmm, I guess it would be [trivial] ... but anyway...02:34
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lifelessjamesh: https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/7052402:38
UbugtuMalone bug 70524 in launchpad "product release finder not finding releases for bzrtools 0.12" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  02:38
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jameshlifeless: could you add what the tarball pattern is in the bug, so I can test things?02:45
UbugtuNew bug: #70524 in launchpad "product release finder not finding releases for bzrtools 0.12" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7052402:45
stubcarlos: r=stub02:57
carlosstub: hmm I sent it already as [trivial]  :-P02:57
stubFine. It is02:57
carlosbut thanks02:57
carlosbtw02:58
carlosstub: at https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+bug/2594 there is a warning that says:02:58
carlosDeprecationWarning: Passing dbuser parameter to initZopeless will soon be02:58
carlosmandatory02:58
carlosstub: that was more than one year ago...02:58
carloswhat's "soon" in that context? :-P02:58
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lifelessjamesh: can't you see it ?03:06
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jameshlifeless: nope.  IIRC it is only displayed on the source edit page03:06
jameshwhich I don't have access to03:06
lifelessjamesh: oh grah.03:07
lifelesshttp://panoramicfeedback.com/opensource/bzrtools-0.12*.tar.gz03:08
lifelesshttps://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/7052603:08
UbugtuMalone bug 70526 in launchpad "noone can see release series tarball data except for product maintainer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  03:08
lifelesshttps://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/7052703:12
UbugtuMalone bug 70527 in launchpad "noone can set release series tarball data except for product maintainer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  03:12
lifelesshttps://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/7052803:12
UbugtuMalone bug 70528 in launchpad "launchpad admins cannot administer specs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  03:12
jameshlifeless: okay.  The reason it isn't finding any releases is that http://panoramicfeedback.com/opensource/ doesn't link to the tarballs03:12
jameshwhen walking HTTP sites, it is expecting to find HTML index pages for the directories so it knows what is there03:13
UbugtuNew bug: #70526 in launchpad "noone can see release series tarball data except for product maintainer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7052603:15
lifelessjamesh: my main point is the lack of user-debuggability;03:15
UbugtuNew bug: #70527 in launchpad "noone can set release series tarball data except for product maintainer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7052703:20
UbugtuNew bug: #70528 in launchpad "launchpad admins cannot administer specs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7052803:20
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jdongis there any way around the launchpad unique contact e-mail limit?05:31
jdongI'm trying to register a backports testing team that uses the backports mailing list, which the main backports team also uses05:31
jameshjdong: nope.  There is a uniqueness constraint on email addresses05:34
jameshjdong: if you think this case should be handled, file a bug05:35
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jameshstub: if we need a machine to test the release-management stuff on, why not use demo.lp.net?06:45
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stubjamesh: Makes sense06:49
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FujitsuI'm looking at bug #41457, and it has a corresponding bug in the upstream BTS (on berlios.de). The berliOS BTS hasn't been registered in LP yet, so I can't link the upstream task. Can I request that the BTS be registered in LP, or add a link to the bug there somehow? Or should I just add a comment giving the link?08:10
UbugtuMalone bug 41457 in soundconverter "soundconverter silently fails without appropriate plugin" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4145708:10
jameshFujitsu: we don't have support for that type of bug tracker08:23
jameshthe SF tracker support doesn't look like it'd handle the older software berlios is using08:23
FujitsuI thought it looked like an old SF-like thing, yes...08:24
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FujitsuIt would be somewhat better if you could specify a URL to link the upstream task to, and it would stick the link there if it didn't already know about the tracker. Otherwise, people looking at the bug have to look for the comment mentioning the bug URL if they want to check the upstream status.08:26
SteveAmorning08:34
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PecisDarbshi crowd, question to Ubuntu packagers - how frequently happens translations updates packages release and how to initialise one, if there is need to fix faulty translations10:45
spivPecisDarbs: #ubuntu-devel is probably the best place to ask.10:58
PecisDarbsspiv: already asked, thanks :)10:59
spivPecisDarbs: this channel is for discussion of developing and using the https://launchpad.net/ site, rather than how Ubuntu packaging is done.10:59
PecisDarbsyep10:59
PecisDarbsI see10:59
spivPecisDarbs: it's possible carlos or jordi on this channel know the answer, when they're around.10:59
spivOtherwise, I think pitti may be the person to ask.10:59
jordihello11:00
jordiPecisDarbs: the oficial policy is that langpacks are updated first monday of the month11:00
jordiie, today11:00
PecisDarbscool11:01
spivSteveA, jamesh, salgado, flacoste: review team meeting time.11:01
jordibut, I think the people who need to make it happen are in MountainView for the Ubuntu conference11:01
jameshokay11:01
jordiI hope they'll be able to ship it today, but it's a special day I guess11:01
spivlifeless and BjornT have registered apologies, because they're at UDS.11:02
PecisDarbsI see11:02
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spiv== Review team meeting agenda ==11:02
spiv * Roll call11:02
spiv * Queue status.11:02
spiv * Whitespace cleanup (is this old?)11:03
PecisDarbsguys, one more question - I and my translation team have some issues with Rosetta about merging of translations, is there any efforts underway to fix that?11:03
spivSteveA: ping?11:03
spivsalgado doesn't seem to be here.11:03
jameshthe whitespace cleanup item is old.11:03
spivflacoste isn't either... I'm not sure that anyone's told him about the meeting though!11:03
spivjamesh: Looks like just you and me then, and a short agenda...11:04
spiv* Queue status11:04
jameshqueue is huge11:04
spivI haven't done the arithmetic, but "massive" would seem to describe it.11:04
jameshalthough a number of the branches are incremental (david/cscvs/pyrex-part-*, bjorn/launchpad/malone-release-management-*, etc)11:05
spivjamesh: at glance, you're doing better than most reviewers :)11:05
spivYeah, that's true.11:05
spivLots of small branches is actually a good thing compared to the alternative.11:05
jameshby the way, what do you think of the formatting changes on the pending-reviews page?11:05
spivRegarding how the conflict status is shown?11:06
jameshyeah, and putting the conflicts list at the top of the diff11:06
spiv(are there other changes I haven't noticed?)11:06
jameshand sorting by state age, rather than absolute age11:06
spivThey're all good, I think.11:07
spivBjorn resolved the conflict in his branch before I started reviewing it, so I didn't notice that conflicts are reported at the top of diffs :)11:07
jameshI wonder if people will be more likely to fix the conflicts early now that they're highlighted?11:08
spivYeah, it'll be interesting to see.11:09
jameshokay.  Anything else?11:10
spivAs far as queue status goes, one of the old ones is in my queue (Bjorn's malone-guided-filebug), and I'm doing that atm, so it should be done soon.11:10
spivjamesh: you have a could from ddaa that a little bit older than they ought to be, but they're short so probably you won't take long to catch up.11:11
spivAnd no-one else is here to account for their sins...11:11
spivSo I guess that's it.11:11
spivAny last minute business?11:11
jameshyeah.  I'm doing the svn-revision-cleanup one at the moment11:11
spivExcellent.11:11
spivOh, one other thing:11:12
spivPresumably there's no meeting next week, because of allhands :)11:12
spivOk, I think that's it.11:12
spiv2, 1, 0, DONE.11:12
jameshthat's a lot quicker than using multiple lines :)11:12
spivjamesh: thanks for stopping me from having to talk to myself :)11:12
jameshoh.  One thing we should probably be checking for is help text for new templates11:13
spivAh, good point.11:14
jameshgiven we want help text for all templates, we don't want to make the problem worse when adding templates11:14
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spivWould you mind mailing the review list about that?11:14
jameshsure.11:14
spiv(+1 from me, fwiw)11:14
SteveAspiv: hi11:36
SteveAspiv: so, I think we need to reconsider the time of the meetings, seeing as (when people aren't at a conference) we have more folks in western timezones11:37
SteveAthanks for sending the note about help text in new page templates, jamesh.  I sent it on to the launchpad list.11:42
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malccHow do I unsubscribe somebody from a spec?02:30
cprovmalcc: ouch, I don't think it's possible, like bugs ...02:33
cprovmalcc: let me try, anyway02:33
malcccprov: I got a request this morning from Daniel, who we're spamming now we're working on some old specs02:33
cprovmalcc: uhm ,I see, looks like we need a DBA request02:34
cprovmalcc: well, in the spec-land I think we can re-assign stuff02:35
cprovmalcc: it would help, I'm not sure about subscriptions02:36
malcccprov: Thanks. If a DBA request is needed, I can make it in person later on :)02:37
cprovmalcc: yup, very convinient for you ;)02:38
cprovconvenient, too02:38
cprovmalcc: I've added a comment in DirtyPockets spec, if you have time, tell me what you think ?02:51
cprovmalcc: it's about the domain name conflict, pocket is used to describe (dr.name, pocket) tuple, which is better described by "suite"02:52
cprovmalcc: just out of curiosity, is kiko already with you or is he still in BR (I know, I should know it)  02:53
malcccprov: I didn't see kiko yet, is he coming?02:53
cprovmalcc: dunno02:54
malccOk, time for a swim before breakfast. See you later launchpadders!02:58
cprovmalcc: see you02:59
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ddaawhat are the guidelines for what to put in the help text of a page in launchpad?04:43
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sabdflSteveA: greetings04:55
sabdflam unable to see brilliant.lp.n?04:55
SteveAsabdfl: hi04:56
SteveAme neither.  I'll take a look.04:56
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newz2000I got an oops in staging05:00
Znarlnewz2000 : Yep, I am looking into that.05:00
newz2000ok, thanks. Just getting ready to update the mirrors list.05:00
SteveAsabdfl: the brilliant company website isn't working either05:02
SteveAsabdfl: so, I expect a problem between their office and the internet05:02
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kikomorning morning05:05
kikohey SteveA?05:05
kikohello hello05:07
SteveAkiko: hi05:08
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ddaawhere is the launchpad-dependencies package for edgy?05:20
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lifelessmorning06:04
lifelessmatsubara: ping06:07
matsubarahi lifeless 06:07
UbugtuNew bug: #70613 in launchpad "While creating a new project, you should set up bug tracker" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7061306:10
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lifelessjamesh: on todays schedule, check out 'new developers' and 'code review' - total collision :(.06:11
lifelessmatsubara: did you get my email about OOPS mails ?06:11
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matsubaralifeless: yes, I'll sort that out today. 06:12
lifelessmatsubara: thanks!06:12
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kikohey there06:14
kikosalgado, stub: ping?06:14
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salgadokiko, pong06:14
kikosalgado, hey there, how's it going?06:15
UbugtuNew bug: #70615 in malone "bug report doesn't show the milestone" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7061506:15
kikosalgado, when is a good time for us to have a morning meeting with people at UDS?06:15
malccIf you need all of us at once, 8:30am - 9:00am local would be about the only time06:17
malccThe rest of the day, some or all of us will be in BOFs06:17
kikomalcc, I was looking for some 15-20 minutes just to catch up and see how the last day went about06:18
kikomalcc, but I don't want to have you to start even earlier06:18
malccToday's schedule is here if you want to hunt for another time everyone you need is around: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/uds-mtv/2006-11-06/06:19
kikomalcc, is the 9-10am block taken up in full?06:19
malcckiko: Yes, it's usually pretty packed, micro-presentations one after another about what's going on06:20
lifelessand they are about whats on, not a good time to lose focus06:22
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lifeless:)06:26
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kikomalcc, can you see if you can block a morning slot for a meeting?06:30
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carlosmorning06:31
kikohey carlos 06:32
malcckiko: I don't see a slot today, morning or otherwise, where all the launchpadders at MTV are free06:32
kikoboring06:33
malccThe scheduler works pretty hard to ensure everyone is busy, so blame jamesh and his leet skillz06:33
kikoyeah yeah.06:35
kikomaybe I can delegate the meeting to somebody there.06:36
carloskiko: at 4AM?06:37
kikoah ah ah06:37
SteveA_does it need to be an "all lauchpad hands at once" meeting?06:42
SteveA_I'm sure there's a time when the rosetta folks + stuart are free06:42
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SteveA_and another time when maybe malc + salgado + bjorn are free06:43
kikoSteveA_, I'd rather not have to be blocked on two sets of people, but perhaps somebody at UDS can hold the meeting and relay to us.06:43
LarstiQkiko: this is being blocked qua knowing what is going on, not on a lack for something to do, right?06:44
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kikoLarstiQ, uhhh right06:45
LarstiQdarn :)06:45
LarstiQotherwise I'd see an opening to ask how that svn/rosetta copyright assignment thing ended06:45
kikomalcc, if you see stub can you ask him to pingme?06:46
carlosspiv: hi, around?06:46
carloskiko: his battery is dead right now06:47
carloswell, his *laptop* battery is dead06:47
kikocarlos, mmmm. can he call me?06:47
carlosI think he was looking for a power plug06:48
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carlosyeah, he found one, I guess he will be online soon06:49
kikothanks06:49
carlosnp06:50
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kikoBjornT, hey!06:52
kikoBjornT, any clue why bug 69942 has no comments?06:52
UbugtuMalone bug 69942 in launchpad "spam" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6994206:52
kikoah.06:52
kiko:)06:52
kikosomebody big-hammered it.06:52
BjornTyeah, seems like it.06:53
SteveAwe should have a big-hammer process that involves checking that the object's page still works06:53
SteveAafter the hammer has been hammered06:53
kikoI'll ask stuart to insert a bogus bugmessage there06:53
kikovia email06:53
kikoBjornT, do you know if it was stub or lifeless that did the delete there?06:54
BjornTkiko: no, i don't know who did the delete06:56
kikoBjornT, okay, emailed anyway.06:57
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stubkiko: pong07:15
kikostub!07:15
kikogood to hear from you07:15
kikothanks for the POFileTranslator fixes, I merged the branch yesterday07:15
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kikostub, also thanks for fixing up those indices and vacuum07:16
kikoI have some branches to land to use those now07:16
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kikostub, ping?07:35
stubkiko: pong07:36
stubThat db patch just went out to staging if you want to see if it works07:36
kikocool07:36
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lifelessmatsubara: I was marking bugs with code in the as security for content-privacy. is there a better way to ddo it ?07:58
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matsubaralifeless: if you report using the email interface you can use the command "private" and it'll report is as a private bug but not security related. Using the web ui you don't have that option.08:03
lifelessmatsubara: I'm using the web ui for those08:03
lifelessI can swtich for them to the email interface08:04
lifelessI'm also jus texplaining why I marked them as I did08:04
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UbugtuNew bug: #70628 in malone "Allow searching for a bug contact's bugs" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7062808:05
mdke_does anyone have a procmail expression for filtering LP bugmail? Mine doesn't seem to work08:09
LarstiQmdke_: yes08:09
mdke_LarstiQ: cool. mine is "* ^Reply-To:*bugs.launchpad.net08:10
mdke_any idea what's wrong with it?08:10
LarstiQmdke_: * ^X-Launchpad-Bug: product=\/[^;] +08:10
LarstiQis what I have (thanks to uws)08:10
mdke_LarstiQ: does that work for distro bugs too?08:11
LarstiQmdke_: it works for bzr bugs, I haven't dealt with distros I'm afraid08:11
LarstiQmdke_: I'd be interested to hear about that though08:11
kikomdke_, just change product to distro=08:12
mdke_I'd be happy with something which filters everything with X-Launchpad-Bug08:12
matsubaralifeless: I don't mind marking them as not security related. I seldom need to do that.08:12
mdke_kiko: alright, I'll try doing two... is there something which will filter everything with that header?08:13
lifelessmatsubara: ok, cool. they stay private though ?08:13
LarstiQmdke_: the rest of the procmail rule then puts it into .bugs.$MATCH.$YEAR.$MONTH/ and .bugs/08:13
kikomdke_, I don't know what you mean.08:13
LarstiQkiko: is there one header to rule them all?08:14
mdke_kiko: I mean, any email with the X-Launchpad-Bug header would go into the same folder08:14
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kiko* ^X-Launchpad-Bug.* 08:14
kikothat catches all of them08:14
mdke_I'll use that, thanks08:14
mdke_for the record, any idea what was wrong with mine?08:15
LarstiQthere is also the X-Generated-By: Launchpad08:15
kikomdke_, yes.08:15
kikomdke_, it should have been .* not *. it's a regexp.08:15
LarstiQmdke_: missing dot?08:15
matsubaralifeless: yes, I umark the security flag but I leave the private flag set.08:15
mdke_kiko: doh. Thanks08:15
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matsubaracan someone send me the log from the last LP meeting?08:46
SteveAmatsubara: they are in the channel logs08:46
SteveAURL as a tinyurl in the title of this channel08:47
matsubaraSteveA: I tried that already. Apparently the bot wasn't logged in at the time.08:48
newz2000the other day I checked a person in launchpad to make sure they had a gpg key and an e-mail address registered (they did). Today I look and their e-mail address and gpg key don't show...08:53
newz2000I see that he had two identities that were merged, is it possible to find out what the other identity is so I can find his contact info?08:54
salgadonewz2000, that's sort of weird08:55
newz2000yeah, thats kind of what I thought08:55
newz2000https://launchpad.net/people/jamesbunnell08:55
kikoIIRC I merged him08:55
salgadoyou shouldn't be able to see the one that was merged from, and the remaining one should have everything that was in the merged one08:55
kikonewz2000, that guy has 4 deactivated gpg keys.08:56
kikonewz2000, and his email is kept private.08:56
salgadonewz2000, looks like he opted not to show his email address08:56
newz2000ok, at least I'm not going insane then08:57
newz2000I was starting to think I was seeing things.08:57
jordiwow, this is new09:10
jordi"Integrity error"09:10
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salgadojordi, is that when creating new accounts?09:13
SteveAmatsubara: I have logs09:13
matsubaraSteveA: can you mail them to me?09:14
SteveAmatsubara: http://people.ubuntu.com/~stevea/lpmeeting-2006-11-02.log09:15
matsubaraSteveA: thanks!09:16
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kikocarlos, jordi: https://staging.launchpad.net/people/carlos/+translations09:43
jordisalgado: creating a potemplatename09:43
jordihey carlos09:43
kikohttps://staging.launchpad.net/people/jordi/+translations09:43
jordikiko: these people aren't going to reply to the email even09:44
jordi:/09:44
kikojordi, such is life.09:45
jordihmm, pretty cool09:45
joejaxxkiko: hello09:49
kikohey joejaxx 09:49
carloskiko: cool09:49
carloskiko: may I suggest to link to the pomsgset directly instead of the pofile? O:-)09:50
carloskiko: btw, GNU Translators is twice in my list of translation teams09:50
carlossame as Ubuntu Translators09:50
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kikojamesh, you know about the formatter based on bug 929? wanna do it for a dvd of choice? :-)10:04
UbugtuMalone bug 929 in launchpad "Long words (such as URLs) overflow columns" [Critical,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/92910:04
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joejaxxkiko: i was wondering should i wait to create a team/product10:33
kikojoejaxx, I'll probably do that for you today, getting over the hump of immediate tasks10:33
joejaxxkiko: oh ok10:34
joejaxxkiko: are you at uds?10:34
kikojoejaxx, no, not this time.10:34
joejaxxoh ok10:34
kikolifeless, are you at UDS?10:38
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SteveABjornT: pin10:53
SteveABjornT: ping10:53
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kiko...bong...10:57
carloskiko: yes, he is10:57
kikocool.10:58
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mhbcarlos: hi... are you here?11:02
mhbcarlos: just to let you know: I'm trying to download a .po file from Rosetta to my email and it doesn't work for a few days now ... it's blocking my work, so I wondered if you could do something with it11:04
carlosmhb: hi11:06
carlosmhb: we fixed that yesterday11:06
carlosdidn't you get the confirmation email?11:06
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mhbcarlos: for the downloads I did few days ago: no11:07
carlosmhb: could you try it again11:07
mhbcarlos: I tried to do one 10 minutes ago or so and it hasn't arrived yet11:07
mdke_carlos: any ideas about https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/ubuntu-docs/+translations11:07
lifelesskiko: yes11:08
kikothanks11:08
kikojust wanted to know.11:08
mhbcarlos: good, it seems it arrived11:08
mhbcarlos: thanks11:08
lifelesskiko: is there anything you need me to dod for you ?11:08
mdke_carlos: ah, seen your comment on the bug report. No worries11:09
kikolifeless, no, but you'll get some UDS email shortly11:09
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lifelesskiko: okies11:09
kikolifeless, it's good news, no worries.11:09
mhbcarlos: you should know that ... do suggestions get in the downloaded .po file (as fuzzy, perhaps) ?11:11
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jordicarlos: there's a request to upload a file to rosetta12:12
jordicarlos: how do we do this nowdays?12:12
SteveAlifeless: ping12:15
SteveABjornT: ping12:15
jordigood night folks12:15
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