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| tonyyarusso | What would you folks recommend for screencasts? | 08:36 |
|---|---|---|
| Burgundavia | we haven't done much | 08:39 |
| Burgundavia | bynaz for short stuff | 08:39 |
| tonyyarusso | Anything I can get voice on once they fix my &$%# sound capture kernel regression/ | 08:41 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, wonder if that is the issue I am running into as well | 08:41 |
| tonyyarusso | So far confirmed on numerous Thinkpads. | 08:41 |
| Burgundavia | can't get input working on my tecra, but it might be my mic | 08:42 |
| tonyyarusso | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/42718 | 08:43 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 42718 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Sound capture on Thinkpad T20, T21, T22 not working" [Medium,Confirmed] | 08:43 |
| crimsun | sigh. | 08:44 |
| crimsun | I. would. like. to. stab. the. next. person. who. blindly. adds. random. comments. to. that. bug. | 08:44 |
| tonyyarusso | Uh oh. Am I one of them? | 08:45 |
| crimsun | just because it doesn't work for you does NOT mean you have the same problem! | 08:45 |
| tonyyarusso | (The second one was a mistake - I didn't mean to say that twice) | 08:45 |
| tonyyarusso | I'm sorry... | 08:46 |
| crimsun | there are FOUR different codecs mentioned in all those comments. | 08:46 |
| === tonyyarusso double checks | ||
| crimsun | I'm going to take a walk before I get very angry. | 08:46 |
| Madpilot | Lots of people "me too" on bugs with unrelated issues; I've noticed in in a number of bugs I follow | 08:47 |
| tonyyarusso | Um, is he mad at me, or other people? I can't tell. | 08:48 |
| tonyyarusso | I guess I don't know enough to know whether I have the same problem, but it seemed the same to me. | 08:48 |
| Burgundavia | tonyyarusso: crimsun does a lot of bug triage. Sometimes he get angry | 08:49 |
| Burgundavia | it is ok | 08:49 |
| tonyyarusso | Burgundavia: Well, it's not really okay if I'm causing anger, because I should probably know better. :( | 08:50 |
| crimsun | tonyyarusso: no, I'm not angry at anyone or any of those commenters. | 08:50 |
| crimsun | tonyyarusso: it's more a condition of "same symptom, must be the same bug!" | 08:51 |
| tonyyarusso | crimsun: Ah, makes sense. Is there a doc about what tests should be done to determine if it's a similar bug for sound things, so I can check mine? | 08:51 |
| crimsun | tonyyarusso: sound issues are _always_ codec-dependent. Contrary to popular belief, many different codecs use the same driver. | 08:52 |
| crimsun | tonyyarusso: the first thing you should do is check your codec (tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat , which is available if snd_pcm_oss is loaded) | 08:53 |
| crimsun | tonyyarusso: the second thing you should do is check the output from ``amixer'' for your particular sound device | 08:53 |
| crimsun | tonyyarusso: we've documented many of the known issues with various codecs on alsa.opensrc.org | 08:54 |
| tonyyarusso | I get "AD1981B", which means something to you, but I'm still clueless | 08:54 |
| tonyyarusso | Ah, a site! yay! | 08:54 |
| === tonyyarusso bookmarks | ||
| crimsun | tonyyarusso: for instance, cs46xx is known to require four different toggles (not just mic and capture being unmuted and raised) | 08:54 |
| crimsun | yes, that's an analog devices codec implementing the ac'97 spec | 08:54 |
| tonyyarusso | Oh my. amixer spits out a lot of stuff | 08:55 |
| crimsun | tonyyarusso: a similar issue exists with the sigmatels (stac7xxx) on creative labs sound blaster live/audigy cards. You have to unmute and raise Analog Mix or AC97 | 08:55 |
| crimsun | it's sometimes easier to use alsa's oss emulation perspective, because unmuting the mic there does several things that are distinct when using the alsa perspective | 08:57 |
| crimsun | (with any increase in finer-grain control comes complexity and thus possible confusion) | 08:57 |
| crimsun | we're addressing this in feisty | 08:58 |
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| tonyyarusso | "addressing" as in pondering what one earth to try, or are pretty confident there's a solution that just needs to be implemented, or somewhere in between? | 08:58 |
| tonyyarusso | (My girlfriend is getting frustrated by not being able to talk to me online, sorry ;) ) | 08:59 |
| crimsun | tonyyarusso: as in there's work to resolve it based on the codec(s) involved | 09:03 |
| tonyyarusso | All right. | 09:04 |
| tonyyarusso | (I'm attempting to navigate this web site you linked to to find info, and I'm a little lost if you care to help) | 09:04 |
| crimsun | click on your driver under Drivers | 09:05 |
| tonyyarusso | AD1981 doesn't seem to be in the list, but some other ad ones are | 09:08 |
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| crimsun | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/42718/comments/11 is a summary of the points that are vital. | 09:24 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 42718 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Sound capture on Thinkpad T20, T21, T22 not working" [Low,Needs info] | 09:24 |
| tonyyarusso | crimsun: Thank you. | 09:25 |
| crimsun | in fact, that comment is so darned important that I've linked it as my home page URL on my LP user page. | 09:28 |
| tonyyarusso | Nice | 09:28 |
| Ubugtu | New bug: #70549 in ubuntu-doc "SCIM not enabled in Edgy Eft after Japanese installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70549 | 09:30 |
| === mdke_ mornings | ||
| Burgundavia | mdke_: is there a story from sladen in teh queue | 09:37 |
| mdke_ | Burgundavia: in the fridge queue? | 09:38 |
| mdke_ | lemme see | 09:38 |
| mdke_ | yeah, that "DO NOT PUBLISH" one that's been in the queue for blooming ages | 09:39 |
| === mdke_ doesn't understand why it can't be prepared offline | ||
| tonyyarusso | What's the advantage of MoinMoin over other things, like Mediawiki? | 09:39 |
| Burgundavia | I have a quick rightup from elkubuntu on some of todays events | 09:39 |
| Burgundavia | hoping to shame others into writing by gettting it up on the friday | 09:39 |
| Burgundavia | fridge, rather | 09:39 |
| mdke_ | Burgundavia: stick it up | 09:40 |
| Burgundavia | mdke_: never sorted my access, plus it is after midnight here | 09:40 |
| Burgundavia | about to crash | 09:40 |
| mdke_ | ah, mail it to the list then. I can't do it now | 09:41 |
| mdke_ | someone will surely do it | 09:41 |
| Burgundavia | tonyyarusso: to answer your question, mediawiki has security issues, like being PHP | 09:41 |
| tonyyarusso | Burgundavia: What's moinmoin based on? | 09:41 |
| mdke_ | it's written in python | 09:42 |
| tonyyarusso | Ah, of course | 09:42 |
| Burgundavia | moinmoin is more friendly for hackers | 09:42 |
| Burgundavia | media is still better for teh common joe | 09:42 |
| tonyyarusso | So the wikipedia crowd versus this crowd | 09:43 |
| Burgundavia | sort of | 09:44 |
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