[08:36] <tonyyarusso> What would you folks recommend for screencasts?
[08:39] <Burgundavia> we haven't done much
[08:39] <Burgundavia> bynaz for short stuff
[08:41] <tonyyarusso> Anything I can get voice on once they fix my &$%# sound capture kernel regression/
[08:41] <Burgundavia> hmm, wonder if that is the issue I am running into as well
[08:41] <tonyyarusso> So far confirmed on numerous Thinkpads.
[08:42] <Burgundavia> can't get input working on my tecra, but it might be my mic
[08:43] <tonyyarusso> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/42718
[08:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42718 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Sound capture on Thinkpad T20, T21, T22 not working" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[08:44] <crimsun> sigh.
[08:44] <crimsun> I. would. like. to. stab. the. next. person. who. blindly. adds. random. comments. to. that. bug.
[08:45] <tonyyarusso> Uh oh.  Am I one of them?
[08:45] <crimsun> just because it doesn't work for you does NOT mean you have the same problem!
[08:45] <tonyyarusso> (The second one was a mistake - I didn't mean to say that twice)
[08:46] <tonyyarusso> I'm sorry...
[08:46] <crimsun> there are FOUR different codecs mentioned in all those comments.
[08:46] <crimsun> I'm going to take a walk before I get very angry.
[08:47] <Madpilot> Lots of people "me too" on bugs with unrelated issues; I've noticed in in a number of bugs I follow
[08:48] <tonyyarusso> Um, is he mad at me, or other people?  I can't tell.
[08:48] <tonyyarusso> I guess I don't know enough to know whether I have the same problem, but it seemed the same to me.
[08:49] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: crimsun does a lot of bug triage. Sometimes he get angry
[08:49] <Burgundavia> it is ok
[08:50] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Well, it's not really okay if I'm causing anger, because I should probably know better.  :(
[08:50] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: no, I'm not angry at anyone or any of those commenters.
[08:51] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: it's more a condition of "same symptom, must be the same bug!"
[08:51] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: Ah, makes sense.  Is there a doc about what tests should be done to determine if it's a similar bug for sound things, so I can check mine?
[08:52] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: sound issues are _always_ codec-dependent. Contrary to popular belief, many different codecs use the same driver.
[08:53] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: the first thing you should do is check your codec (tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat , which is available if snd_pcm_oss is loaded)
[08:53] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: the second thing you should do is check the output from ``amixer'' for your particular sound device
[08:54] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: we've documented many of the known issues with various codecs on alsa.opensrc.org
[08:54] <tonyyarusso> I get "AD1981B", which means something to you, but I'm still clueless
[08:54] <tonyyarusso> Ah, a site!  yay!
[08:54] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: for instance, cs46xx is known to require four different toggles (not just mic and capture being unmuted and raised)
[08:54] <crimsun> yes, that's an analog devices codec implementing the ac'97 spec
[08:55] <tonyyarusso> Oh my.  amixer spits out a lot of stuff
[08:55] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: a similar issue exists with the sigmatels (stac7xxx) on creative labs sound blaster live/audigy cards. You have to unmute and raise Analog Mix or AC97
[08:57] <crimsun> it's sometimes easier to use alsa's oss emulation perspective, because unmuting the mic there does several things that are distinct when using the alsa perspective
[08:57] <crimsun> (with any increase in finer-grain control comes complexity and thus possible confusion)
[08:58] <crimsun> we're addressing this in feisty
[08:58] <tonyyarusso> "addressing" as in pondering what one earth to try, or are pretty confident there's a solution that just needs to be implemented, or somewhere in between?
[08:59] <tonyyarusso> (My girlfriend is getting frustrated by not being able to talk to me online, sorry ;)  )
[09:03] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: as in there's work to resolve it based on the codec(s) involved
[09:04] <tonyyarusso> All right.
[09:04] <tonyyarusso> (I'm attempting to navigate this web site you linked to to find info, and I'm a little lost if you care to help)
[09:05] <crimsun> click on your driver under Drivers
[09:08] <tonyyarusso> AD1981 doesn't seem to be in the list, but some other ad ones are
[09:24] <crimsun> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/42718/comments/11 is a summary of the points that are vital.
[09:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42718 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Sound capture on Thinkpad T20, T21, T22 not working" [Low,Needs info]  
[09:25] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: Thank you.
[09:28] <crimsun> in fact, that comment is so darned important that I've linked it as my home page URL on my LP user page.
[09:28] <tonyyarusso> Nice
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70549 in ubuntu-doc "SCIM not enabled in Edgy Eft after Japanese installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70549
[09:37] <Burgundavia> mdke_: is there a story from sladen in teh queue
[09:38] <mdke_> Burgundavia: in the fridge queue?
[09:38] <mdke_> lemme see
[09:39] <mdke_> yeah, that "DO NOT PUBLISH" one that's been in the queue for blooming ages
[09:39] <tonyyarusso> What's the advantage of MoinMoin over other things, like Mediawiki?
[09:39] <Burgundavia> I have a quick rightup from elkubuntu on some of todays events
[09:39] <Burgundavia> hoping to shame others into writing by gettting it up on the friday
[09:39] <Burgundavia> fridge, rather
[09:40] <mdke_> Burgundavia: stick it up
[09:40] <Burgundavia> mdke_: never sorted my access, plus it is after midnight here
[09:40] <Burgundavia> about to crash
[09:41] <mdke_> ah, mail it to the list then. I can't do it now
[09:41] <mdke_> someone will surely do it
[09:41] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: to answer your question, mediawiki has security issues, like being PHP
[09:41] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: What's moinmoin based on?
[09:42] <mdke_> it's written in python
[09:42] <tonyyarusso> Ah, of course
[09:42] <Burgundavia> moinmoin is more friendly for hackers
[09:42] <Burgundavia> media is still better for teh common joe
[09:43] <tonyyarusso> So the wikipedia crowd versus this crowd
[09:44] <Burgundavia> sort of