=== Corben [n=Corben@p5498B497.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Corben [n=Corben@p5498B497.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] === mpt [i=mpt@conference/ubuntuconf/x-49213ed8c68b5fe7] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi [n=mario@83-131-64-36.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host-84-9-179-244.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === motin [n=motin@c80-217-109-98.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@ip72-209-68-178.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host-84-9-179-244.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [i=mpt@conference/ubuntuconf/x-6e6f3ac667721a03] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@209.79.152.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === archis_ [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dthacker is now known as dthacker_sleep === La_PaRCa [n=La_PaRCa@bas12-montrealak-1167974782.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:36] What would you folks recommend for screencasts? [08:39] we haven't done much [08:39] bynaz for short stuff [08:41] Anything I can get voice on once they fix my &$%# sound capture kernel regression/ [08:41] hmm, wonder if that is the issue I am running into as well [08:41] So far confirmed on numerous Thinkpads. [08:42] can't get input working on my tecra, but it might be my mic [08:43] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/42718 [08:43] Malone bug 42718 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Sound capture on Thinkpad T20, T21, T22 not working" [Medium,Confirmed] [08:44] sigh. [08:44] I. would. like. to. stab. the. next. person. who. blindly. adds. random. comments. to. that. bug. [08:45] Uh oh. Am I one of them? [08:45] just because it doesn't work for you does NOT mean you have the same problem! [08:45] (The second one was a mistake - I didn't mean to say that twice) [08:46] I'm sorry... [08:46] there are FOUR different codecs mentioned in all those comments. === tonyyarusso double checks [08:46] I'm going to take a walk before I get very angry. [08:47] Lots of people "me too" on bugs with unrelated issues; I've noticed in in a number of bugs I follow [08:48] Um, is he mad at me, or other people? I can't tell. [08:48] I guess I don't know enough to know whether I have the same problem, but it seemed the same to me. [08:49] tonyyarusso: crimsun does a lot of bug triage. Sometimes he get angry [08:49] it is ok [08:50] Burgundavia: Well, it's not really okay if I'm causing anger, because I should probably know better. :( [08:50] tonyyarusso: no, I'm not angry at anyone or any of those commenters. [08:51] tonyyarusso: it's more a condition of "same symptom, must be the same bug!" [08:51] crimsun: Ah, makes sense. Is there a doc about what tests should be done to determine if it's a similar bug for sound things, so I can check mine? [08:52] tonyyarusso: sound issues are _always_ codec-dependent. Contrary to popular belief, many different codecs use the same driver. [08:53] tonyyarusso: the first thing you should do is check your codec (tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat , which is available if snd_pcm_oss is loaded) [08:53] tonyyarusso: the second thing you should do is check the output from ``amixer'' for your particular sound device [08:54] tonyyarusso: we've documented many of the known issues with various codecs on alsa.opensrc.org [08:54] I get "AD1981B", which means something to you, but I'm still clueless [08:54] Ah, a site! yay! === tonyyarusso bookmarks [08:54] tonyyarusso: for instance, cs46xx is known to require four different toggles (not just mic and capture being unmuted and raised) [08:54] yes, that's an analog devices codec implementing the ac'97 spec [08:55] Oh my. amixer spits out a lot of stuff [08:55] tonyyarusso: a similar issue exists with the sigmatels (stac7xxx) on creative labs sound blaster live/audigy cards. You have to unmute and raise Analog Mix or AC97 [08:57] it's sometimes easier to use alsa's oss emulation perspective, because unmuting the mic there does several things that are distinct when using the alsa perspective [08:57] (with any increase in finer-grain control comes complexity and thus possible confusion) [08:58] we're addressing this in feisty === mpt [n=mpt@209.79.152.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:58] "addressing" as in pondering what one earth to try, or are pretty confident there's a solution that just needs to be implemented, or somewhere in between? [08:59] (My girlfriend is getting frustrated by not being able to talk to me online, sorry ;) ) [09:03] tonyyarusso: as in there's work to resolve it based on the codec(s) involved [09:04] All right. [09:04] (I'm attempting to navigate this web site you linked to to find info, and I'm a little lost if you care to help) [09:05] click on your driver under Drivers [09:08] AD1981 doesn't seem to be in the list, but some other ad ones are === rob [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:24] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/42718/comments/11 is a summary of the points that are vital. [09:24] Malone bug 42718 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Sound capture on Thinkpad T20, T21, T22 not working" [Low,Needs info] [09:25] crimsun: Thank you. [09:28] in fact, that comment is so darned important that I've linked it as my home page URL on my LP user page. [09:28] Nice [09:30] New bug: #70549 in ubuntu-doc "SCIM not enabled in Edgy Eft after Japanese installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70549 === mdke_ mornings [09:37] mdke_: is there a story from sladen in teh queue [09:38] Burgundavia: in the fridge queue? [09:38] lemme see [09:39] yeah, that "DO NOT PUBLISH" one that's been in the queue for blooming ages === mdke_ doesn't understand why it can't be prepared offline [09:39] What's the advantage of MoinMoin over other things, like Mediawiki? [09:39] I have a quick rightup from elkubuntu on some of todays events [09:39] hoping to shame others into writing by gettting it up on the friday [09:39] fridge, rather [09:40] Burgundavia: stick it up [09:40] mdke_: never sorted my access, plus it is after midnight here [09:40] about to crash [09:41] ah, mail it to the list then. I can't do it now [09:41] someone will surely do it [09:41] tonyyarusso: to answer your question, mediawiki has security issues, like being PHP [09:41] Burgundavia: What's moinmoin based on? [09:42] it's written in python [09:42] Ah, of course [09:42] moinmoin is more friendly for hackers [09:42] media is still better for teh common joe [09:43] So the wikipedia crowd versus this crowd [09:44] sort of === ponsfrilus [n=nbo@lenipc6.epfl.ch] has joined #ubuntu-doc === stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === joachim-n [n=joachim@AC9F8879.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === rob [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === niyuejun [n=nyj@58.212.226.39] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _froud_ [n=froud@dsl-242-173-191.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@209.79.152.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@cpc2-stok6-0-0-cust395.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [i=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jrshannon [n=jrshanno@S0106000f3d5cf89d.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === archis_ [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] === ompaul [n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho_ [i=andreas@conference/ubuntuconf/x-1b98c7f53040c64d] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [i=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@p54964DB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-76-111.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === joachim-n [n=joachim@ACD45AA5.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@cpc2-stok6-0-0-cust395.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-201-109.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [i=mpt@conference/ubuntuconf/x-7bc0fe321abbe926] has joined #ubuntu-doc === La_PaRCa [n=La_PaRCa@bas12-montrealak-1167974782.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas_ [n=dean@cpc2-stok6-0-0-cust395.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@cpc2-stok6-0-0-cust395.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-201-109.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-201-109.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveaz [i=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@cpc2-stok6-0-0-cust395.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc