| TheMuso | Looks like not. | 12:11 |
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| LaserJock | TheMuso: no, brandon and I are going to work on it a bit later | 12:12 |
| TheMuso | LaserJock: Is the food alright at this summit? | 12:12 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 12:12 |
| pygi | luisbg, which one,what, etc? | 12:12 |
| LaserJock | TheMuso: yes, we had indian for lunch | 12:12 |
| TheMuso | oooo nice. | 12:12 |
| luisbg | pygi, it's a statistics program a friend of mine is doing for collegue last year project | 12:12 |
| LaserJock | also got google tshirts | 12:12 |
| TheMuso | Cool. | 12:12 |
| luisbg | google shirts!? | 12:12 |
| luisbg | I want ONE ! LOL | 12:13 |
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| pygi | LaserJock, while you are there tell them they sent me only one shirt, instead of three :P | 12:13 |
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| TheMuso | How is the VOIP stuff working out? | 12:14 |
| LaserJock | not sure | 12:14 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 12:14 |
| LaserJock | they have conf. call phones in each room | 12:14 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 12:14 |
| luisbg | bbl | 12:14 |
| LaserJock | much better setup then Paris | 12:14 |
| TheMuso | Well Henrik was telling me that the stuff he has heard on VOIP hasn't sounded that good. | 12:14 |
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| Le_Vert | hello | 01:11 |
| Le_Vert | is there any ubuntuist here ? | 01:11 |
| luisbg | Le_Vert, what is an ubuntuis? | 01:11 |
| luisbg | s/ubuntuis/ubuntuist | 01:11 |
| Le_Vert | someone that use ubuntu :p | 01:11 |
| luisbg | then yes, I am | 01:11 |
| Le_Vert | I just wanna know if upload to universe are allowed again ? | 01:12 |
| Le_Vert | I went here a few days (weeks?) ago | 01:12 |
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| thom | Le_Vert: for feisty, yes | 01:12 |
| Le_Vert | because I'd sync my debian package to ubuntu | 01:12 |
| Le_Vert | but edgy was in deep freeze | 01:12 |
| ajmitch | is it unmodified in ubuntu? | 01:13 |
| ajmitch | eg, does it have ubuntu in the version string? | 01:13 |
| Le_Vert | of course not | 01:13 |
| Le_Vert | most are only in the debian archive | 01:13 |
| Le_Vert | or really outdated in ubuntu | 01:14 |
| ajmitch | then it will be synced automatically in the next few days in feisty | 01:14 |
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| Le_Vert | mh | 01:15 |
| Le_Vert | okay | 01:15 |
| Le_Vert | what's about ntfs-3g | 01:15 |
| Le_Vert | someone packaged it in ubuntu while I was doing it for debian | 01:15 |
| ajmitch | I think that syncs have just been turned on, or will be very soon | 01:15 |
| Le_Vert | my package has an epoch | 01:15 |
| ajmitch | then it wouldn't get synced automatically, since we don't just overwrite ubuntu changes | 01:15 |
| Le_Vert | well | 01:16 |
| ajmitch | it gets put on a list of packages to check & merge | 01:16 |
| Le_Vert | is there anything I could do for this ? | 01:16 |
| ajmitch | how different are the packages? | 01:16 |
| Le_Vert | mine is up-to-date and install with suid root (group fuse) to allow fuse group member to upload ntfs volume | 01:16 |
| luisbg | ajmitch, I would like to learn to know how ubuntu works from inside out, everything... what book or url do you recommend me? | 01:17 |
| ajmitch | luisbg: I doubt there's any single place that you learn *everything* | 01:17 |
| Burgundavia | luisbg: community or technical? | 01:17 |
| ajmitch | the wiki documents a lot | 01:17 |
| Le_Vert | and the ubuntu package versionning really sux | 01:18 |
| Le_Vert | 20060920-0ubuntu2 | 01:18 |
| luisbg | Burgundavia, both... right now I need more info in community, but also would like technical (to understand how all fits together) | 01:18 |
| Le_Vert | great | 01:18 |
| ajmitch | yes, I haven't looked at the ubuntu package, that version does look very bad | 01:18 |
| luisbg | ajmitch, I didn't meant the one place to go... but a good one to start with | 01:18 |
| Le_Vert | an epoch will be needed when the first stable version will come out | 01:18 |
| Le_Vert | it's stupid :) | 01:18 |
| Burgundavia | luisbg: what sort of questions about the communtiy do you have? | 01:18 |
| luisbg | Burgundavia, how tasks are handled | 01:19 |
| ajmitch | Le_Vert: I agree, but there's not much we can do about that now :) | 01:19 |
| Burgundavia | what sort of tasks? which part of the distro? | 01:19 |
| Le_Vert | okay... :) | 01:19 |
| ajmitch | Le_Vert: ideally we'd just use the debian packages | 01:19 |
| Le_Vert | okay | 01:20 |
| Le_Vert | I'll wait for the sync then | 01:20 |
| luisbg | Burgundavia, I think I understand the packaging process, but the more core stuff? | 01:21 |
| Le_Vert | does someone can be my sponsors if some of my package are not synced automatically ? | 01:21 |
| Burgundavia | luisbg: which core stuff? you need to give me more details | 01:21 |
| Le_Vert | s/does someone can/can someone/ | 01:21 |
| ajmitch | Le_Vert: yes, if you create debdiffs against existing packages, attach them to a bug in malone, and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug | 01:22 |
| luisbg | Burgundavia, installer for example | 01:22 |
| ajmitch | that's the full way of doing it :) | 01:22 |
| Burgundavia | luisbg: right, the installer is done by Colin Watson and Ridell | 01:23 |
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| Burgundavia | luisbg: if you want to change any part of Ubuntu, the easiest way to is to create a spec, assuming your change is more than one line or so | 01:23 |
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| luisbg | spec? | 01:24 |
| Burgundavia | luisbg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecLifeCycle | 01:24 |
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| luisbg | Burgundavia, cool | 01:25 |
| luisbg | =) | 01:25 |
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| Burgundavia | luisbg: the better way would be to say "I want to do X" | 01:26 |
| Burgundavia | then go asking community members how to do that | 01:26 |
| luisbg | I see | 01:26 |
| luisbg | should go to bed now | 01:28 |
| luisbg | goodnight all | 01:28 |
| ianm_ | what's the best channel for talking about creating a launchpad spec? | 01:29 |
| Burgundavia | ianm_: what is the spec? | 01:30 |
| SlimG | anyone know of a great guide on howto pack a .deb package the right way? no checkinstall | 01:31 |
| ianm_ | Burgundavia: standardizing the notification area click responses | 01:31 |
| Burgundavia | desktop | 01:31 |
| Burgundavia | SlimG: packaging guide | 01:31 |
| Burgundavia | https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html | 01:31 |
| ianm_ | thanks Burgundavia | 01:31 |
| SlimG | Burgundavia: Thanx alot! | 01:32 |
| Burgundavia | no worries | 01:32 |
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| crimsun | motu-sru is rockin the house | 01:39 |
| Jozo- | Should bugs like bug 70495 assigned to motu-team? And are those bugs good candidates to SRU? | 01:41 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 70495 in rpy "python-rpy doesn't follow debian python policy" [Unknown,Unknown] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70495 | 01:41 |
| crimsun | ja | 01:42 |
| crimsun | err | 01:42 |
| crimsun | Jozo-: it's a suitable SRU candidate, yees | 01:43 |
| crimsun | geez, my typing is horrible tonight | 01:43 |
| crimsun | I would prefer other people shared the load with motu-sru so that we don't end up having to generate all the SRU debdiffs ourselves | 01:43 |
| geser | crimsun: should a seperate sru request bug be filed for bug 65266? | 01:52 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65266 in php4 "[UVF Exception] Sync php4 4.4.4 from Debian unstable" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65266 | 01:52 |
| bmonty | crimsun: SRU follows the same process as syncs or UVF exceptions? | 01:53 |
| geser | bmonty: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU | 01:53 |
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| ajmitch | crimsun: sharing the load how? | 01:54 |
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| crimsun | bmonty: largely the same procedure as main's SRU with the difference that we require 5 tested (confirmed) ACKS once in -proposed or 7 days, whichever takes longer, before uploading to -updates | 01:55 |
| crimsun | ajmitch: it would be awesome if people requesting the updates would generate the SRU debdiffs, too | 01:56 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: that should be mandatory in the policy | 01:56 |
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| crimsun | geser: it looks like infinity and dholbach are in agreement, with infinity proceeding, on it | 01:57 |
| crimsun | geser: (so unless I missed something, you don't need to file a separate SRU bug) | 01:58 |
| geser | I will ask inifity about the bug as now apache is fixed | 01:59 |
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| SlimG | when editing copyright file made by dh_make, what is an "Upstream Author: " ? | 02:56 |
| SlimG | and what to do with the "Copyright: " field when the app is gpl licensed? | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | whoever made the program | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | !packagagingguide | 02:57 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about packagagingguide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | !packagingguide | 02:57 |
| ubotu | The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | see the spiel in that first link | 02:58 |
| Hobbsee | how'd the first day for UDS go? | 02:58 |
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| TheMuso | Hobbsee: I believe it went well. | 03:00 |
| lastnode | Hobbsee, you at UDS? | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | lastnode: nope | 03:01 |
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| Hobbsee | TheMuso: cool. looks like we have a really bad timezone for it | 03:01 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: Its not too bad. | 03:01 |
| TheMuso | From 9AM our time, we can still catch the arvo session. | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: ahhh...true | 03:03 |
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| TheMuso | Hobbsee: Join #udsmtv to find the links for the schedule etc in the topic. | 03:05 |
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| zakame | hi all | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | hey zakame | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | hey doko | 03:09 |
| zakame | hi Hobbsee and doko! :D | 03:10 |
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| doko | Hobbsee: good evening (should be morning for you?) | 03:15 |
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| Hobbsee | doko: about 1pm. midafternoon | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | doko: where do you normally reside? | 03:16 |
| ajmitch | hello Hobbsee | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | hey ajmitch | 03:17 |
| fernando | hi all | 03:19 |
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| rmjb | hello fernando | 03:26 |
| bmonty | anyone seen mvo? | 03:28 |
| Hobbsee | bmonty: isnt he at UDS? | 03:29 |
| bmonty | Hobbsee: I assume so | 03:29 |
| bmonty | I'm not there so I'm not sure | 03:29 |
| crimsun | (yes, he is.) | 03:30 |
| rmjb | is feisty available to build on? | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | bmonty: there are various people at #udsmtv - if you wanted to contact him thru some of them | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | rmjb: it's not open yet | 03:30 |
| rmjb | ok | 03:30 |
| bmonty | I think I'll just send him an email | 03:30 |
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| bddebian | What package exports MONO? MONO | 03:54 |
| crimsun | sorry? | 03:56 |
| bluefoxicy | stratagus 2.2 alpha is out | 03:56 |
| bluefoxicy | Final release should be done by Edgy+1; but I'm not sure what version of guichan it needs. | 03:57 |
| bddebian | crimsun: | 03:57 |
| bluefoxicy | apparently there's a guichan0 (0.4.0); guichan versions are NOT compatible, so 0.4.0 != 0.5.0 != 0.6.0 (cvs) | 03:57 |
| bddebian | checking for MONO... configure: error: Package requirements (mono >= 1.0) were not met: | 03:57 |
| bddebian | No package 'mono' found | 03:57 |
| bddebian | Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you | 03:57 |
| bddebian | installed software in a non-standard prefix. | 03:57 |
| crimsun | as in 'mono-devel'? | 03:58 |
| bluefoxicy | short version: The naming for the guichan0 package bugs me. | 03:58 |
| bddebian | crimsun: Dunno, I have mono and mono-gmcs installed | 03:58 |
| crimsun | bddebian: libmono-dev, too. | 03:58 |
| crimsun | ->phone. | 03:59 |
| bddebian | Ah, libmono-dev, thanks crimsun | 04:01 |
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| bddebian | glade-sharp? Hmm | 04:13 |
| rmjb | is it okay to have the source package with one name and the binary package with another? | 04:18 |
| rmjb | see here for what I mean: http://pmplib.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pmplib/branches/branch_0.12/debian/control?view=markup | 04:18 |
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| Burgundavia | rmjb: yes, there are lots of packages like that | 04:22 |
| Amaranth | rmjb: happens all the time | 04:22 |
| rmjb | okay cool, thanks | 04:22 |
| Amaranth | pyxdg source package outputs python-xdg binary package, for example | 04:23 |
| Burgundavia | epiphany is another one | 04:24 |
| rmjb | so if someone does apt-get source epiphany they'll get an error or it will pull down the correct source package? | 04:27 |
| Burgundavia | hmm epiphany is not correct | 04:28 |
| Burgundavia | that is renaming from upstream | 04:28 |
| Burgundavia | as for the xdg one, try it | 04:28 |
| rmjb | yep, it finds it correctly | 04:29 |
| rmjb | nice | 04:29 |
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| rmjb | is REVU taking submissions? | 04:36 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | i believe so, anyway | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | no one can do anything about it for a while though | 04:38 |
| bhale | Hobbsee: !!! | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | hey bhale!!!!! | 04:38 |
| rmjb | so I should wait, cause it might not get any attention and hence get lost? | 04:39 |
| Hobbsee | it wont get lost | 04:39 |
| Hobbsee | but poke someone in here about it | 04:39 |
| rmjb | okay let me get the package up | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | rmjb: also, the feisty toolchain isnt finished - so it may not build yet | 04:40 |
| zakame | right, when's it going up? | 04:40 |
| rmjb | well I'm doing something for edgy | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | rmjb: why? | 04:40 |
| rmjb | edgy-updates ? | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | not for new packages | 04:40 |
| rmjb | people might want it? | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | doesnt matter | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | !timebasedreleases | 04:40 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about timebasedreleases - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | !release | 04:41 |
| ubotu | Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | second link | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | !timebasedreleases is <alias> release | 04:41 |
| ubotu | I'll remember that, Hobbsee | 04:41 |
| rmjb | I read somewhere that revu packages usually make it in since they're usually of "high quality" | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | uh....i wonder where you read that | 04:41 |
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| Hobbsee | that's mostly wrong | 04:41 |
| rmjb | in the sru policy I think | 04:41 |
| rmjb | I'll see if I can find it | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | rmjb: basically,k'tis somewhere to upload, and for people to review it | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | that doesnt mean that its' of good quality | 04:42 |
| rmjb | I was thinking that the amount of reviewing it would get, by the end it'll be of high quality ? | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | it only needs two advocates, but yeah | 04:43 |
| Hobbsee | it's whether it gets them, or how long it takes | 04:43 |
| Hobbsee | MOTU's dont really like checking new stuff, oddly enough :P | 04:43 |
| rmjb | us hopefuls need someone to mark our work as we learn :P | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | hehe, yeah | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | linda and lintian are good for that | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | (package checkers) | 04:44 |
| Burgundavia | rmjb: you can upload to feisty and then get it backported | 04:44 |
| bhale | hello Burgundavia | 04:44 |
| Burgundavia | hey bhale | 04:45 |
| Hobbsee | hey Burgundavia | 04:45 |
| Burgundavia | bhale: you in MTV? | 04:45 |
| joejaxx_ | hello Hobbsee :) | 04:45 |
| Hobbsee | hey joejaxx_ | 04:45 |
| rmjb | linitian should be updated for ubuntu's policies.. it complained about me doing an NMU, but motus said it's not that much of an issue in ubuntu, that's mainly for debian | 04:45 |
| Hobbsee | rmjb: indeed. linda doesnt complain about that | 04:45 |
| joejaxx_ | Hobbsee, are you at mtv? | 04:45 |
| Hobbsee | joejaxx_: nope | 04:45 |
| joejaxx_ | :( | 04:46 |
| rmjb | I'll try this linda thing | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | runs the same way as lintian | 04:46 |
| zakame | you guys at MTV? | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | doesnt seem like it | 04:46 |
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| rmjb | Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/UpstreamVersionFreeze?highlight=%28revu%29 | 04:49 |
| rmjb | that's the one, it's for UVF, not SRU | 04:49 |
| rmjb | these acronyms are easy to mix up | 04:49 |
| Hobbsee | ... | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | interesting | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | i didnt know we could put NEW stuff in | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | then again, i guess nothing else depends on it | 04:50 |
| bhale | Burgundavia: no sir | 04:55 |
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| bhale | Burgundavia: I have renamed UDS to Ubuntu Developer Lockin | 04:56 |
| _Enchained | hi | 04:56 |
| Burgundavia | bhale: why so? | 04:56 |
| _Enchained | can I have help in packaging for ubuntu ? | 04:56 |
| bhale | Burgundavia: because thats what it is | 04:56 |
| Burgundavia | bhale: in what sense? | 04:56 |
| bhale | is the schedule still 9am to 9pm? | 04:56 |
| Burgundavia | it was 9 to 6 today | 04:56 |
| bhale | first day has been historically Community | 04:57 |
| bhale | and short | 04:57 |
| bhale | if you are still alive with N hours of jetlag and 12 hours of spec writing | 04:57 |
| bhale | you are a better man than me | 04:57 |
| Burgundavia | not there, but yes | 04:58 |
| rmjb | udf started already? | 04:58 |
| bhale | udf? | 04:58 |
| rmjb | uds I mean | 04:59 |
| rmjb | sorry | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, it started today | 04:59 |
| rmjb | till saturday/ | 04:59 |
| rmjb | ? | 04:59 |
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| rmjb | !uds | 04:59 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about uds - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 04:59 |
| _Enchained | while packaging a software, how can I modify the place where are installed the files ? | 05:01 |
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| minghua | !packaging guide | 05:01 |
| ubotu | The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | 05:01 |
| minghua | _Enchained: please read that guide | 05:01 |
| minghua | _Enchained: and be more specific what you mean by "the place where are installed the files" | 05:02 |
| rmjb | you motus get notified of new uploads to revu or a hopeful has to find you all and tell you all? | 05:02 |
| minghua | only some of the MOTUs, revu-reviewers or something similar, I think | 05:04 |
| rmjb | oh, okay | 05:04 |
| rmjb | thanks for all you guys help tonite... my 2nd package has made it to revu | 05:04 |
| rmjb | good night all | 05:04 |
| _Enchained | minghua: in fact, the "locales" files are installed in /usr/share/local, but they should be installed in /usr no ? | 05:06 |
| minghua | _Enchained: yes, they should be in /usr/share/locale/ | 05:07 |
| _Enchained | so, how can I change this ? (I musn't edit the original files) | 05:08 |
| minghua | well, depends on how you built your package | 05:11 |
| minghua | it may be a simple ./configure switch | 05:11 |
| minghua | maybe you need to modify the makefiles | 05:11 |
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| Hobbsee | !info grip edgy | 05:12 |
| ubotu | grip: GNOME-based CD-player/ripper/encoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.3.1-6build2 (edgy), package size 451 kB, installed size 1292 kB | 05:12 |
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| LaserJock | hola motu land | 06:48 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 06:49 |
| LaserJock | I see it is incredibly active in here tonight | 06:50 |
| crimsun | it's a weeknight. | 06:50 |
| TheMuso | heh | 06:50 |
| LaserJock | ah, well it seems the important people are up ;-) | 06:51 |
| crimsun | well yeah, fabbione's client seems to have just joined | 06:51 |
| Fujitsu | Hey LaserJock. | 06:53 |
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| LaserJock | Fujitsu: hi dude | 06:54 |
| LaserJock | it feels so weird not being on IRC much at all today | 06:55 |
| LaserJock | and yet my day was all about Ubuntu | 06:55 |
| ajmitch | evening | 06:55 |
| Fujitsu | Eek, SoundConverter bugs are piling up in both Ubuntu, and a bit in Debian. | 06:55 |
| Fujitsu | Hi ajmitch. | 06:55 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch! | 06:57 |
| LaserJock | long time, no see | 06:57 |
| ajmitch | yeah.. | 06:59 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: I'm assuming you have wifi at your hotel? | 07:02 |
| joejaxx_ | LaserJock, *-artwork is done | 07:04 |
| joejaxx_ | :) | 07:04 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: \o/ | 07:04 |
| joejaxx_ | i am working on default-settings now | 07:04 |
| joejaxx_ | :D | 07:04 |
| LaserJock | excellent | 07:07 |
| LaserJock | darn, I don't see the MOTU spec on the schedule tomorrow | 07:10 |
| LaserJock | but there are 2 low priority specs on the list :/ | 07:11 |
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| minghua | how many MOTUs are at Mountain View now? | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | zul, ajmitch , dholbach | 07:13 |
| zul | at least 4 | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | myself | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | I can't think of anybody else off-hand | 07:14 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon | 07:15 |
| LaserJock | of course, I'm the only *true* MOTU as I'm the only one that isn't a core-dev ;p | 07:15 |
| zul | yeah that will change you will be assimilated | 07:16 |
| ajmitch | hello zul | 07:17 |
| zul | hey ajmitch how is it going? | 07:17 |
| LaserJock | resistance is futile | 07:17 |
| ajmitch | alright.. | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | well, I got mdz to change the MOTU spec to Medium priority | 07:18 |
| ajmitch | good | 07:20 |
| minghua | LaserJock: does that mean it will be in the schedule? | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | I think so | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | I just want it to be on the schedule before I leave | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | it's a bit selfish, but it's really one I wanted to be on :-) | 07:22 |
| minghua | and I want LaserJock to be there too, to represent us "real" MOTUs :-P | 07:24 |
| zakame | lol | 07:25 |
| ajmitch | since the rest of us just don't matter :) | 07:25 |
| zakame | when I edit something in gobby I will save later right? to update the remote session? | 07:25 |
| crimsun | ajmitch: just mere mortals, I guess | 07:27 |
| ajmitch | not raging MOTU-holics like some | 07:27 |
| LaserJock | yeah, slackers ;-) | 07:27 |
| zakame | MOTU-holics? | 07:27 |
| LaserJock | that's correctly, "raging Ubuntu-holic MOTU" but I'll let it slide | 07:28 |
| ajmitch | sorry | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | haha | 07:28 |
| zakame | hehe | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | I didn't even realize I had said that *I* was the one that said | 07:29 |
| LaserJock | that | 07:29 |
| LaserJock | I was like, "Why are people calling me that?" | 07:29 |
| LaserJock | then I did a head-desk | 07:29 |
| zakame | wp:head-desk | 07:30 |
| zakame | err ECLI | 07:30 |
| zakame | should have been ud: too :D | 07:31 |
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| LaserJock | anyway | 07:34 |
| LaserJock | having 5 MOTUs is a pretty good showing | 07:34 |
| LaserJock | and Jono said he was very interested in MOTU | 07:34 |
| ajmitch | he'd better be.. | 07:34 |
| zul | or | 07:35 |
| LaserJock | well, he was more interested then I would have thought | 07:35 |
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| joejaxx_ | yippee | 08:06 |
| joejaxx_ | time to test the fluxbuntu packages on a ubuntu system | 08:06 |
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| joejaxx_ | fluxbuntu-desktop is about to be 0.3 | 08:11 |
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| joejaxx_ | LaserJock, finished default settings | 08:23 |
| LaserJock | woot | 08:23 |
| joejaxx_ | not i am going to try it on a ubuntu system | 08:23 |
| joejaxx_ | s/it/them | 08:24 |
| joejaxx_ | this should be interesting | 08:24 |
| LaserJock | Amaranth: ping? | 08:31 |
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| siretart | whoho. feisty looks like being open for buisness :) | 08:46 |
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| joejaxx_ | lol | 08:47 |
| === joejaxx_ oh noes | ||
| joejaxx_ | :P | 08:47 |
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| sivang | morning motus | 09:39 |
| slomo | hi sivang | 09:39 |
| sivang | are we synced yet(tm) ? ;) | 09:39 |
| sivang | slomo: !! | 09:39 |
| === sivang hugs slomo | ||
| === slomo hugs sivang | ||
| slomo | :) | 09:39 |
| sivang | slomo: you were off for a while I was afraid uni work ate you! | 09:40 |
| slomo | oh i was only off over the weekend as usual :) what's the state of feisty now btw, i finally want to upload some stuff ;) | 09:41 |
| sivang | slomo: I know that some sync are already filed, some of the toolchain is there but still it's not open. | 09:41 |
| sivang | slomo: what stuff do you want to upload already ? | 09:43 |
| slomo | dbus*, avahi, mono*, gstreamer* and seahorse ;) | 09:43 |
| sivang | slomo: ahhh, I see quite a list | 09:44 |
| Burgundavia | slomo: you going to give us a new ffmpeg with shiny wmv9 goodness? | 09:45 |
| slomo | Burgundavia: nope, still waiting for a gst-ffmpeg release :/ | 09:46 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, would be nice if the ffmpeg could figure out that stables releases were a good thing and changing api/abi at will is total crack | 09:47 |
| slomo | they say it would be nice but that they don't have the people or time for it | 09:49 |
| Burgundavia | interesting assertion | 09:49 |
| Burgundavia | but, yes, release managment is hard. Observe debian | 09:49 |
| sivang | Burgundavia: how's the summit going? | 09:55 |
| Burgundavia | sivang: not there | 09:55 |
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| cbx33 | hey peeps | 10:14 |
| cbx33 | apt-get remove nvidia-glx - shouldn't want to remove all xorg pacakges and ubuntu-desktop should it | 10:15 |
| cbx33 | ? | 10:15 |
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| crimsun | I ... wouldn't think so | 10:21 |
| cbx33 | well it does here :( | 10:22 |
| cbx33 | anything I can check | 10:22 |
| cbx33 | and should I raise a bug | 10:22 |
| cbx33 | and is it possible to fix ;) | 10:22 |
| crimsun | strange, doesn't do that here. | 10:23 |
| cbx33 | hmm... | 10:24 |
| cbx33 | I just upgraded to the latest one | 10:24 |
| cbx33 | ohh... | 10:24 |
| cbx33 | hang on 2 ticks | 10:24 |
| cbx33 | brb | 10:24 |
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| cbx33 | still doing it | 10:29 |
| cbx33 | funny thing is it talks about them being needed to be auto-removed | 10:29 |
| cbx33 | and not being required anymore | 10:29 |
| cbx33 | then says it's going to remove them | 10:29 |
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| giskard | you are using external repos? | 10:31 |
| cbx33 | no | 10:32 |
| cbx33 | it's very odd | 10:33 |
| minghua | you are supposed to have ubuntu-desktop installed | 10:35 |
| minghua | (and this question is better suited in #ubuntu instead of here) | 10:35 |
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| cbx33 | anyone here at uds? | 11:31 |
| crimsun | most are asleep, I presume. | 11:31 |
| cbx33 | yes me too | 11:31 |
| cbx33 | I was just wondering...the schedule that has been posted | 11:31 |
| crimsun | and I thought I was the only one who could type while asleep. | 11:31 |
| cbx33 | is that for todays meetings | 11:31 |
| crimsun | on 2006-11-06 ? I presume so | 11:33 |
| cbx33 | well it's filed on the wiki under sunday's schedule | 11:33 |
| cbx33 | and the page title is different to the H1 title | 11:34 |
| cbx33 | so it is a little confusing | 11:34 |
| cbx33 | I'm presuming on means which day it was generated | 11:34 |
| Lestat | The new Xvid 1.1.2 will be in edgy ?? | 11:35 |
| crimsun | in Edgy? No. | 11:36 |
| Lestat | in feisty so ? | 11:37 |
| crimsun | probably | 11:38 |
| Lestat | ok thx | 11:38 |
| crimsun | it just appeared a few days in debian-multimedia, so... | 11:38 |
| TheMuso | cbx33: Hey dude. | 11:44 |
| TheMuso | cbx33: You at uds? | 11:44 |
| cbx33 | no | 11:45 |
| cbx33 | :( | 11:45 |
| cbx33 | got invited | 11:45 |
| cbx33 | but work commitments ment i couldn't go | 11:45 |
| crimsun | same here. | 11:45 |
| crimsun | perhaps you can attend May 2007's | 11:45 |
| TheMuso | Ah well. | 11:45 |
| cbx33 | hopefully | 11:45 |
| cbx33 | hopefully i'll be in a new job by then | 11:46 |
| TheMuso | cbx33: Any responses about discussion on the next round of sounds? | 11:48 |
| cbx33 | nope | 11:48 |
| cbx33 | I was going to do a BOF at UDS | 11:48 |
| TheMuso | waaaaaa? | 11:48 |
| cbx33 | but seeing as I can't go... :( | 11:48 |
| TheMuso | cbx33: Did you end up emailing those who didn't like what you did this time around? | 11:49 |
| cbx33 | TheMuso: we'll sort it out at some point | 11:49 |
| cbx33 | TheMuso: no...I didn't get time | 11:49 |
| cbx33 | not yet anyway | 11:49 |
| TheMuso | Ok no worries. | 11:49 |
| TheMuso | I should just record my ideas and put them up somewhere. :) | 11:49 |
| cbx33 | how are you though ;) | 11:50 |
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| cbx33 | yeh send em through to me | 11:50 |
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| TheMuso | cbx33: I'm very well thanks | 11:50 |
| TheMuso | I'll do that when I get the recorded. | 11:50 |
| cbx33 | heh | 11:50 |
| cbx33 | cool | 11:50 |
| cbx33 | TheMuso: you may be interested in a new project I'm working on ;) | 11:51 |
| StevenK | Hum. I may well miss things if I'm at the UDS. | 11:51 |
| StevenK | Depends what I enroll in. | 11:51 |
| cbx33 | it's only small...a gnome applet for converting files | 11:51 |
| cbx33 | just drag drop and convert ;) | 11:51 |
| TheMuso | I prefer doing them on the command line myself. | 11:51 |
| cbx33 | I'm working on the audio files side of things at the mo - | 11:51 |
| cbx33 | heh | 11:51 |
| TheMuso | Sounds good, but not something I'd find useful personally. | 11:51 |
| cbx33 | it's been fun working out gstreamer ;) | 11:52 |
| TheMuso | I'll bet. | 11:52 |
| cbx33 | works pretty well now | 11:52 |
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| Fujitsu | Aw, poor soundconverter. No deprecating my package :P | 11:52 |
| cbx33 | I can read in ogg mp3 wav and convert to wav ;) | 11:52 |
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| cbx33 | sorry Fujitsu | 11:52 |
| cbx33 | ;) | 11:53 |
| TheMuso | Meh command-line utils FTW. | 11:54 |
| StevenK | Only because they're simple to make accessible. | 11:54 |
| cbx33 | you see.....I'm hoping cambio will have extendable codec support | 11:54 |
| StevenK | Because they already mostly are. :-P | 11:54 |
| cbx33 | so it will hopefully be in main | 11:54 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: Very true, and they are scriptable. | 11:54 |
| cbx33 | but if you install the other gstreamer plugin sets it grows in what it can do ;) | 11:54 |
| cbx33 | initially you'll only get wav/ogg support | 11:55 |
| cbx33 | universe will give you mp3 read | 11:55 |
| cbx33 | multiverse to get mp3 write | 11:55 |
| cbx33 | unfortunately that's due to the licensing :( | 11:57 |
| Fujitsu | Er, isn't gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly required for MP3 reading? | 11:58 |
| crimsun | that's one. | 11:59 |
| crimsun | gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 is an alternative | 11:59 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, that's true. | 11:59 |
| cbx33 | Fujitsu, yes it's required | 12:00 |
| TheMuso | I'm not such a fan of gstreamer. | 12:00 |
| Fujitsu | GStreamer isn't bad. | 12:00 |
| TheMuso | I don't believe it can give one the best latency atm however. | 12:01 |
| TheMuso | Adn the jack plugin is no longer maintained. | 12:01 |
| cbx33 | well, it allows me to put cambio in main | 12:01 |
| cbx33 | aww that sux | 12:01 |
| cbx33 | Jack rules | 12:01 |
| TheMuso | Yep. | 12:01 |
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| TheMuso | Its another reason why I won't be using Jokosher any time soon. | 12:01 |
| cbx33 | I'm sure jono will get jack support built into it at some point | 12:02 |
| cbx33 | you just can't dismiss jack | 12:02 |
| cbx33 | it is da-bomb | 12:02 |
| TheMuso | I hope so. | 12:02 |
| cbx33 | infact probably the only reaason why he hasn't is the jack plugin not being supported | 12:03 |
| cbx33 | maintained | 12:03 |
| TheMuso | Any serious audio app that I might want to use has to have jack support, or else it doesn't get a look in. | 12:03 |
| cbx33 | indeed | 12:03 |
| cbx33 | I totally agree with you | 12:03 |
| TheMuso | Yeah. But IMO it would be better not to use gstreamer for jack. | 12:03 |
| cbx33 | but then we've had this discussion before | 12:03 |
| TheMuso | Yeah. | 12:03 |
| cbx33 | it is a nice easy framwork to use | 12:04 |
| cbx33 | from my small musings with it | 12:04 |
| TheMuso | But latency wise? How good is it in that department? | 12:04 |
| cbx33 | I can write python audio apps really easy | 12:04 |
| cbx33 | I'm afraid I havn't tested it for that | 12:04 |
| TheMuso | RIght. | 12:04 |
| cbx33 | I'm only using it to decode a stream | 12:04 |
| cbx33 | and then encode it again | 12:04 |
| TheMuso | RIght. | 12:05 |
| TheMuso | Anyways, thats how I feel about it all. | 12:05 |
| giskard | do you know if universe is already open? | 12:07 |
| fernando | morning all | 12:08 |
| Fujitsu | giskard: It's not. | 12:10 |
| giskard | Fujitsu: ok! | 12:10 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:52 |
| Gloubiboulga | hello bddebian | 04:02 |
| bddebian | heya Gloubiboulga | 04:03 |
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| ajmitch | morning | 04:13 |
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| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 04:13 |
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| luisbg | hey ajmitch | 04:28 |
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| giskard | hello dholbach | 05:59 |
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| dholbach | hey giskard | 05:59 |
| === hub looks for R Daneel Olivaw ;-) | ||
| giskard | hub: ehehe :) | 06:00 |
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| imbrandon | moins | 06:15 |
| ajmitch | hi imbrandon | 06:16 |
| giskard | hello ajmitch | 06:17 |
| ajmitch | hi | 06:17 |
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| _Enchained | hi | 06:25 |
| _Enchained | ajmitch: can you sync the gpg keys between launchpad and revu please ? | 06:26 |
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| bluefoxicy | is oprofile totally broke for anyone else | 06:33 |
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| Adri2000 | bluefoxicy: why is it "broken"? | 06:35 |
| Adri2000 | !info oprofile | 06:35 |
| ubotu | oprofile: system-wide profiler for Linux systems. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.2-1 (edgy), package size 179 kB, installed size 460 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 alpha hppa powerpc sparc amd64 arm mips) | 06:35 |
| bluefoxicy | Adri2000: Using default event: CPU_CLK_UNHALTED:100000:0:1:1 | 06:36 |
| bluefoxicy | /usr/bin/opcontrol: 1: arith: syntax error: "NR_CHOSEN - 1" | 06:36 |
| bluefoxicy | No events given. | 06:36 |
| bluefoxicy | Adri2000: it seems to randomly give things like "2: file not found" or "cannot find CLK_WTF" etc etc when trying to start it or, specifically, pass -p library | 06:36 |
| Adri2000 | Adri2000: will be fixed soon, see bug 69455 | 06:37 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 69455 in oprofile "bashism in oprofile's opcontrol script prevents user from setting any events" [Unknown,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/69455 | 06:37 |
| Adri2000 | bluefoxicy* | 06:37 |
| bluefoxicy | ah, thanks | 06:37 |
| Adri2000 | (lol, talking to myself...) | 06:37 |
| bluefoxicy | I just happen to have the misfortune of trying this a half hour before the fix gets here huh :P | 06:39 |
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| minghua | hmm, Ubugtu seems to get 69455 wrong | 06:51 |
| minghua | it's not fixed in ubuntu | 06:51 |
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| chantra | hi, is there anything started for feisty? | 07:11 |
| chantra | like #ubuntu+1 :) | 07:11 |
| bhale | syncs dont start for 2 weeks | 07:11 |
| chantra | okie dokie | 07:12 |
| chantra | have you guys seen that gaim beta4 has been released | 07:12 |
| chantra | I guess it will be usefull to create a gaim-text, gaim-ui package | 07:12 |
| chantra | and a gaim metapackage so you can install gaim-text on a text only mchine without all the X related dependencies | 07:13 |
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| bhale | thats pretty funny | 07:15 |
| bhale | as sean egan once said of todd berman: "i cant take anyone with a blog seriously, anyway" | 07:16 |
| chantra | ? | 07:17 |
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| bhale | beta4 will likely be updated in the next few weeks | 07:18 |
| chantra | yep, but still, being able to run gaim on a non X machine, that will be great :) | 07:20 |
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| ubuntu_newb | Hello all. | 08:07 |
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| _Enchained | ajmitch: here ? | 08:08 |
| ajmitch | _Enchained: yes? | 08:10 |
| _Enchained | ajmitch: can you sync the gpg keys between lauchpad (tema contriutors) and revu please ? | 08:11 |
| _Enchained | Adri2000 said me to ask you... | 08:11 |
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| ajmitch | _Enchained: yes, I did that earlier | 08:14 |
| _Enchained | ok ajmitch thanks | 08:14 |
| _Enchained | so I can upload on revu ?... | 08:14 |
| ajmitch | yes, you should be able to | 08:14 |
| _Enchained | thks ajmitch | 08:19 |
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| crippledcanary | I just uploaded my first package but forgot to build with -sa and want to upload again. | 08:26 |
| crippledcanary | Can anyone help out | 08:27 |
| bhale | rm *.upload | 08:27 |
| bhale | try again | 08:27 |
| crippledcanary | thanks... it worked | 08:28 |
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| qmx | hi to everyone | 08:33 |
| qmx | where can i find docs about how to make packages from svn sources? | 08:33 |
| qmx | or cvs... | 08:33 |
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| kiko | hey there | 08:54 |
| kiko | how's it going? | 08:54 |
| _Enchained | I try to upload my first... ^^ | 08:54 |
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| kiko | ajmitch, are you around? | 08:54 |
| ajmitch | kiko: yep | 08:59 |
| kiko | ajmitch, so I have two bugs that might be worth looking at from somebody motu-related | 09:00 |
| ajmitch | such as? | 09:00 |
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| kiko | 70627 and 67416 | 09:00 |
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| kiko | I was just wondering about the process | 09:00 |
| fernando | hi MOTUs on MOTU room heheh =) | 09:03 |
| _Enchained | Rejected: | 09:07 |
| _Enchained | Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution. :( | 09:07 |
| kiko | ajmitch, should I assign to motu, or do something else | 09:07 |
| _Enchained | what meens ? | 09:07 |
| ajmitch | _Enchained: you uploaded to revu, not ubuntu? | 09:07 |
| _Enchained | ajmitch: I must upload to ubuntu ? | 09:08 |
| _Enchained | not revu? | 09:08 |
| ajmitch | kiko: just looking at them now - general process is that they get put into a very large queue of bugs to look at in universe | 09:08 |
| kiko | heh | 09:08 |
| ajmitch | _Enchained: no, you must upload to revu | 09:08 |
| _Enchained | ok, I must edit the conf file no ? | 09:08 |
| Adri2000 | _Enchained: in /etc/dput.cf set default_host_main to revu | 09:09 |
| _Enchained | ok thx Adri2000 (it was written on the revu page ^^) | 09:09 |
| ajmitch | kiko: and 67416 is main, , no? | 09:10 |
| kiko | is scrollkeeper main? | 09:11 |
| kiko | gross! | 09:11 |
| ajmitch | yep | 09:11 |
| ajmitch | wonderful, isn't it? | 09:11 |
| _Enchained | Adri2000: is there a deamon to restart after changing the conf file ? | 09:11 |
| ajmitch | someone already volunteered to fix tz-brasil, I see | 09:11 |
| Adri2000 | _Enchained: no, then just use dput *.changes | 09:11 |
| _Enchained | ok | 09:12 |
| _Enchained | ahh Good signature on packaging/dvd95/dvd95_1.1p2-0ubuntu1.dsc. :) | 09:13 |
| _Enchained | it's a good sign | 09:14 |
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| _Enchained | ok my package is on revu :) | 09:20 |
| _Enchained | (dvd95 if someone wants to take a look at) | 09:20 |
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| Mez | whos talking about me :D | 10:01 |
| Mez | lol | 10:01 |
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| nixternal | haha Mez ;) | 10:05 |
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| Mez | darn you people | 10:05 |
| Mez | lol - they did sound a bit stunned when I butted into the convo | 10:05 |
| Mez | lol | 10:05 |
| Mez | nixternal, you at the conference ? | 10:09 |
| nixternal | im there as 1's and 0's | 10:09 |
| nixternal | just like you | 10:09 |
| nixternal | on a bit-by-bit basis | 10:10 |
| Mez | nixternal lol | 10:10 |
| Mez | I wasnt actually paying attention to the convo, then I just heard my name ;) | 10:10 |
| Mez | scary to be referred to as anything other than "Mez" though | 10:10 |
| nixternal | ya, imbrandon said your name about going afk during your move | 10:10 |
| nixternal | haha ya | 10:11 |
| Mez | but why was going afk bought up ? | 10:11 |
| nixternal | don't know if it was about package maintenance or what | 10:11 |
| nixternal | i couldn't catch that, because it was rather faint at that point | 10:11 |
| Mez | I'll ask him tomorrow ;) | 10:11 |
| Mez | i'mn surprised voip actually works quite well | 10:12 |
| Mez | I might set up myself an asterisk server | 10:12 |
| nixternal | it works very well actually..im going to get in on the mic later...my mic yesterday, got stepped on...so i have to go pick up one here in like...right now actually | 10:13 |
| Mez | lol | 10:13 |
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| Mez | cause i cant find my uber headset | 10:13 |
| nixternal | ya, mine will be crappy as well | 10:13 |
| nixternal | im using my sony streetstyles from like 2000..i love them..but the mic is part of a goofy headset | 10:14 |
| Mez | nixternal, lol | 10:14 |
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| giskard | do you know why bind9 is not in universe? | 10:21 |
| geser | because it's in main :) | 10:22 |
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| giskard | ehrr | 10:23 |
| giskard | why i cannot find it? | 10:24 |
| geser | !info bind9 | 10:24 |
| ubotu | bind9: Internet Domain Name Server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:9.3.2-2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 292 kB, installed size 724 kB | 10:24 |
| giskard | what i found is bind8 and pool/universe/b/bind/bind_8.4.6-1_i386.deb | 10:24 |
| giskard | ehrr | 10:24 |
| giskard | geser: on my fresh edgy install i cannot install it | 10:25 |
| geser | try pool/main/b/bind9 | 10:25 |
| geser | what error do you get? | 10:25 |
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| giskard | geser: it's not listed/showed in apt-cache search/show bind9 | 10:29 |
| giskard | i'm using us.archive.ubuntu.com as mirror | 10:29 |
| giskard | uhm i can see it: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/bind9/ | 10:30 |
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| geser | have you checked your sources.list? | 10:32 |
| giskard | yes :( bah, stupid me, i wrote edgy universe instead of edgy main universe | 10:32 |
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| chantra | hi back | 11:40 |
| Adri2000 | what should we do when the upstream tarball provides a debian/ directory? | 11:41 |
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| dholbach | Adri2000: it's up to you | 11:48 |
| dholbach | Adri2000: either re-pack the .orig.tar.gz or live with a badly readable .diff.gz | 11:48 |
| dholbach | Adri2000: I personally preferred to keep the .orig.tar.gz as it is and try to persuade upstream to drop it | 11:49 |
| Adri2000 | ok, and if I remove it from the tarball, I just have to specify it in the changelog? | 11:51 |
| _Enchained | Adri2000: c'est pt quel appli ? | 11:51 |
| _Enchained | pour* | 11:52 |
| Adri2000 | _Enchained: english! ;) (c'est une question gnrale) | 11:53 |
| _Enchained | ok (sorry) | 11:53 |
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