[12:11] <TheMuso> Looks like not.
[12:12] <LaserJock> TheMuso: no, brandon and I are going to work on it a bit later
[12:12] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Is the food alright at this summit?
[12:12] <TheMuso> Right.
[12:12] <pygi> luisbg, which one,what, etc?
[12:12] <LaserJock> TheMuso: yes, we had indian for lunch
[12:12] <TheMuso> oooo nice.
[12:12] <luisbg> pygi, it's a statistics program a friend of mine is doing for collegue last year project
[12:12] <LaserJock> also got google tshirts
[12:12] <TheMuso> Cool.
[12:12] <luisbg> google shirts!?
[12:13] <luisbg> I want ONE ! LOL
[12:13] <pygi> LaserJock, while you are there tell them they sent me only one shirt, instead of three :P
[12:14] <TheMuso> How is the VOIP stuff working out?
[12:14] <LaserJock> not sure
[12:14] <TheMuso> Right.
[12:14] <LaserJock> they have conf. call phones in each room
[12:14] <TheMuso> Right.
[12:14] <luisbg> bbl
[12:14] <LaserJock> much better setup then Paris
[12:14] <TheMuso> Well Henrik was telling me that the stuff he has heard on VOIP hasn't sounded that good.
[01:11] <Le_Vert> hello
[01:11] <Le_Vert> is there any ubuntuist here ?
[01:11] <luisbg> Le_Vert, what is an ubuntuis?
[01:11] <luisbg> s/ubuntuis/ubuntuist
[01:11] <Le_Vert> someone that use ubuntu :p
[01:11] <luisbg> then yes, I am
[01:12] <Le_Vert> I just wanna know if upload to universe are allowed again ?
[01:12] <Le_Vert> I went here a few days (weeks?) ago
[01:12] <thom> Le_Vert: for feisty, yes
[01:12] <Le_Vert> because I'd sync my debian package to ubuntu
[01:12] <Le_Vert> but edgy was in deep freeze
[01:13] <ajmitch> is it unmodified in ubuntu?
[01:13] <ajmitch> eg, does it have ubuntu in the version string?
[01:13] <Le_Vert> of course not
[01:13] <Le_Vert> most are only in the debian archive
[01:14] <Le_Vert> or really outdated in ubuntu
[01:14] <ajmitch> then it will be synced automatically in the next few days in feisty
[01:15] <Le_Vert> mh
[01:15] <Le_Vert> okay
[01:15] <Le_Vert> what's about ntfs-3g
[01:15] <Le_Vert> someone packaged it in ubuntu while I was doing it for debian
[01:15] <ajmitch> I think that syncs have just been turned on, or will be very soon
[01:15] <Le_Vert> my package has an epoch
[01:15] <ajmitch> then it wouldn't get synced automatically, since we don't just overwrite ubuntu changes
[01:16] <Le_Vert> well
[01:16] <ajmitch> it gets put on a list of packages to check & merge
[01:16] <Le_Vert> is there anything I could do for this ?
[01:16] <ajmitch> how different are the packages?
[01:16] <Le_Vert> mine is up-to-date and install with suid root (group fuse) to allow fuse group member to upload ntfs volume
[01:17] <luisbg> ajmitch, I would like to learn to know how ubuntu works from inside out, everything... what book or url do you recommend me?
[01:17] <ajmitch> luisbg: I doubt there's any single place that you learn *everything*
[01:17] <Burgundavia> luisbg: community or technical?
[01:17] <ajmitch> the wiki documents a lot
[01:18] <Le_Vert> and the ubuntu package versionning really sux
[01:18] <Le_Vert> 20060920-0ubuntu2
[01:18] <luisbg> Burgundavia, both... right now I need more info in community, but also would like technical (to understand how all fits together)
[01:18] <Le_Vert> great
[01:18] <ajmitch> yes, I haven't looked at the ubuntu package, that version does look very bad
[01:18] <luisbg> ajmitch, I didn't meant the one place to go... but a good one to start with
[01:18] <Le_Vert> an epoch will be needed when the first stable version will come out
[01:18] <Le_Vert> it's stupid :)
[01:18] <Burgundavia> luisbg: what sort of questions about the communtiy do you have?
[01:19] <luisbg> Burgundavia, how tasks are handled
[01:19] <ajmitch> Le_Vert: I agree, but there's not much we can do about that now :)
[01:19] <Burgundavia> what sort of tasks? which part of the distro?
[01:19] <Le_Vert> okay... :)
[01:19] <ajmitch> Le_Vert: ideally we'd just use the debian packages
[01:20] <Le_Vert> okay
[01:20] <Le_Vert> I'll wait for the sync then
[01:21] <luisbg> Burgundavia, I think I understand the packaging process, but the more core stuff?
[01:21] <Le_Vert> does someone can be my sponsors if some of my package are not synced automatically ?
[01:21] <Burgundavia> luisbg: which core stuff? you need to give me more details
[01:21] <Le_Vert> s/does someone can/can someone/
[01:22] <ajmitch> Le_Vert: yes, if you create debdiffs against existing packages, attach them to a bug in malone, and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug
[01:22] <luisbg> Burgundavia, installer for example
[01:22] <ajmitch> that's the full way of doing it :)
[01:23] <Burgundavia> luisbg: right, the installer is done by Colin Watson and Ridell
[01:23] <Burgundavia> luisbg: if you want to change any part of Ubuntu, the easiest way to is to create a spec, assuming your change is more than one line or so
[01:24] <luisbg> spec?
[01:24] <Burgundavia> luisbg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecLifeCycle
[01:25] <luisbg> Burgundavia, cool
[01:25] <luisbg> =)
[01:26] <Burgundavia> luisbg: the better way would be to say "I want to do X"
[01:26] <Burgundavia> then go asking community members how to do that
[01:26] <luisbg> I see
[01:28] <luisbg> should go to bed now
[01:28] <luisbg> goodnight all
[01:29] <ianm_> what's the best channel for talking about creating a launchpad spec?
[01:30] <Burgundavia> ianm_: what is the spec?
[01:31] <SlimG> anyone know of a great guide on howto pack a .deb package the right way? no checkinstall
[01:31] <ianm_> Burgundavia: standardizing the notification area click responses
[01:31] <Burgundavia> desktop
[01:31] <Burgundavia> SlimG: packaging guide
[01:31] <Burgundavia> https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[01:31] <ianm_> thanks Burgundavia
[01:32] <SlimG> Burgundavia: Thanx alot!
[01:32] <Burgundavia> no worries
[01:39] <crimsun> motu-sru is rockin the house
[01:41] <Jozo-> Should bugs like bug 70495 assigned to motu-team? And are those bugs good candidates to SRU?
[01:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70495 in rpy "python-rpy doesn't follow debian python policy" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70495
[01:42] <crimsun> ja
[01:42] <crimsun> err
[01:43] <crimsun> Jozo-: it's a suitable SRU candidate, yees
[01:43] <crimsun> geez, my typing is horrible tonight
[01:43] <crimsun> I would prefer other people shared the load with motu-sru so that we don't end up having to generate all the SRU debdiffs ourselves
[01:52] <geser> crimsun: should a seperate sru request bug be filed for bug 65266?
[01:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65266 in php4 "[UVF Exception]  Sync php4 4.4.4 from Debian unstable" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65266
[01:53] <bmonty> crimsun: SRU follows the same process as syncs or UVF exceptions?
[01:53] <geser> bmonty: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU
[01:54] <ajmitch> crimsun: sharing the load how?
[01:55] <crimsun> bmonty: largely the same procedure as main's SRU with the difference that we require 5 tested (confirmed) ACKS once in -proposed or 7 days, whichever takes longer, before uploading to -updates
[01:56] <crimsun> ajmitch: it would be awesome if people requesting the updates would generate the SRU debdiffs, too
[01:56] <ajmitch> crimsun: that should be mandatory in the policy
[01:57] <crimsun> geser: it looks like infinity and dholbach are in agreement, with infinity proceeding, on it
[01:58] <crimsun> geser: (so unless I missed something, you don't need to file a separate SRU bug)
[01:59] <geser> I will ask inifity about the bug as now apache is fixed
[02:56] <SlimG> when editing copyright file made by dh_make, what is an "Upstream Author: " ?
[02:57] <SlimG> and what to do with the "Copyright: " field when the app is gpl licensed?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> whoever made the program
[02:57] <Hobbsee> !packagagingguide
[02:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about packagagingguide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:57] <Hobbsee> !packagingguide
[02:57] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[02:58] <Hobbsee> see the spiel in that first link
[02:58] <Hobbsee> how'd the first day for UDS go?
[03:00] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: I believe it went well.
[03:01] <lastnode> Hobbsee, you at UDS?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> lastnode: nope
[03:01] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: cool.  looks like we have a really bad timezone for it
[03:01] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Its not too bad.
[03:01] <TheMuso> From 9AM our time, we can still catch the arvo session.
[03:03] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: ahhh...true
[03:05] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Join #udsmtv to find the links for the schedule etc in the topic.
[03:08] <zakame> hi all
[03:09] <Hobbsee> hey zakame
[03:09] <Hobbsee> hey doko
[03:10] <zakame> hi Hobbsee and doko! :D
[03:15] <doko> Hobbsee: good evening (should be morning for you?)
[03:16] <Hobbsee> doko: about 1pm.  midafternoon
[03:16] <Hobbsee> doko: where do you normally reside?
[03:17] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[03:17] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch
[03:19] <fernando> hi all
[03:26] <rmjb> hello fernando
[03:28] <bmonty> anyone seen mvo?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> bmonty: isnt he at UDS?
[03:29] <bmonty> Hobbsee: I assume so
[03:29] <bmonty> I'm not there so I'm not sure
[03:30] <crimsun> (yes, he is.)
[03:30] <rmjb> is feisty available to build on?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> bmonty: there are various people at #udsmtv - if you wanted to contact him thru some of them
[03:30] <Hobbsee> rmjb: it's not open yet
[03:30] <rmjb> ok
[03:30] <bmonty> I think I'll just send him an email
[03:54] <bddebian> What package exports MONO?  MONO
[03:56] <crimsun> sorry?
[03:56] <bluefoxicy> stratagus 2.2 alpha is out
[03:57] <bluefoxicy> Final release should be done by Edgy+1; but I'm not sure what version of guichan it needs.
[03:57] <bddebian> crimsun:
[03:57] <bluefoxicy> apparently there's a guichan0 (0.4.0); guichan versions are NOT compatible, so 0.4.0 != 0.5.0 != 0.6.0 (cvs)
[03:57] <bddebian> checking for MONO... configure: error: Package requirements (mono >= 1.0) were not met:
[03:57] <bddebian> No package 'mono' found
[03:57] <bddebian> Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
[03:57] <bddebian> installed software in a non-standard prefix.
[03:58] <crimsun> as in 'mono-devel'?
[03:58] <bluefoxicy> short version:  The naming for the guichan0 package bugs me.
[03:58] <bddebian> crimsun: Dunno, I have mono and mono-gmcs installed
[03:58] <crimsun> bddebian: libmono-dev, too.
[03:59] <crimsun> ->phone.
[04:01] <bddebian> Ah, libmono-dev, thanks crimsun
[04:13] <bddebian> glade-sharp? Hmm
[04:18] <rmjb> is it okay to have the source package with one name and the binary package with another?
[04:18] <rmjb> see here for what I mean: http://pmplib.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pmplib/branches/branch_0.12/debian/control?view=markup
[04:22] <Burgundavia> rmjb: yes, there are lots of packages like that
[04:22] <Amaranth> rmjb: happens all the time
[04:22] <rmjb> okay cool, thanks
[04:23] <Amaranth> pyxdg source package outputs python-xdg binary package, for example
[04:24] <Burgundavia> epiphany is another one
[04:27] <rmjb> so if someone does apt-get source epiphany they'll get an error or it will pull down the correct source package?
[04:28] <Burgundavia> hmm epiphany is not correct
[04:28] <Burgundavia> that is renaming from upstream
[04:28] <Burgundavia> as for the xdg one, try it
[04:29] <rmjb> yep, it finds it correctly
[04:29] <rmjb> nice
[04:36] <rmjb> is REVU taking submissions?
[04:38] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:38] <Hobbsee> i believe so, anyway
[04:38] <Hobbsee> no one can do anything about it for a while though
[04:38] <bhale> Hobbsee: !!!
[04:38] <Hobbsee> hey bhale!!!!!
[04:39] <rmjb> so I should wait, cause it might not get any attention and hence get lost?
[04:39] <Hobbsee> it wont get lost
[04:39] <Hobbsee> but poke someone in here about it
[04:40] <rmjb> okay let me get the package up
[04:40] <Hobbsee> rmjb: also, the feisty toolchain isnt finished - so it may not build yet
[04:40] <zakame> right, when's it going up?
[04:40] <rmjb> well I'm doing something for edgy
[04:40] <Hobbsee> rmjb: why?
[04:40] <rmjb> edgy-updates ?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> not for new packages
[04:40] <rmjb> people might want it?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> doesnt matter
[04:40] <Hobbsee> !timebasedreleases
[04:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about timebasedreleases - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:41] <Hobbsee> !release
[04:41] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[04:41] <Hobbsee> second link
[04:41] <Hobbsee> !timebasedreleases is <alias> release
[04:41] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[04:41] <rmjb> I read somewhere that revu packages usually make it in since they're usually of "high quality"
[04:41] <Hobbsee> uh....i wonder where you read that
[04:41] <Hobbsee> that's mostly wrong
[04:41] <rmjb> in the sru policy I think
[04:41] <rmjb> I'll see if I can find it
[04:42] <Hobbsee> rmjb: basically,k'tis somewhere to upload, and for people to review it
[04:42] <Hobbsee> that doesnt mean that its' of good quality
[04:42] <rmjb> I was thinking that the amount of reviewing it would get, by the end it'll be of high quality ?
[04:43] <Hobbsee> it only needs two advocates, but yeah
[04:43] <Hobbsee> it's whether it gets them, or how long it takes
[04:43] <Hobbsee> MOTU's dont really like checking new stuff, oddly enough :P
[04:44] <rmjb> us hopefuls need someone to mark our work as we learn :P
[04:44] <Hobbsee> hehe, yeah
[04:44] <Hobbsee> linda and lintian are good for that
[04:44] <Hobbsee> (package checkers)
[04:44] <Burgundavia> rmjb: you can upload to feisty and then get it backported
[04:44] <bhale> hello Burgundavia
[04:45] <Burgundavia> hey bhale
[04:45] <Hobbsee> hey Burgundavia
[04:45] <Burgundavia> bhale: you in MTV?
[04:45] <joejaxx_> hello Hobbsee :)
[04:45] <Hobbsee> hey joejaxx_
[04:45] <rmjb> linitian should be updated for ubuntu's policies.. it complained about me doing an NMU, but motus said it's not that much of an issue in ubuntu, that's mainly for debian
[04:45] <Hobbsee> rmjb: indeed.  linda doesnt complain about that
[04:45] <joejaxx_> Hobbsee, are you at mtv?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> joejaxx_: nope
[04:46] <joejaxx_> :(
[04:46] <rmjb> I'll try this linda thing
[04:46] <Hobbsee> runs the same way as lintian
[04:46] <zakame> you guys at MTV?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> doesnt seem like it
[04:49] <rmjb> Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/UpstreamVersionFreeze?highlight=%28revu%29
[04:49] <rmjb> that's the one, it's for UVF, not SRU
[04:49] <rmjb> these acronyms are easy to mix up
[04:50] <Hobbsee> ...
[04:50] <Hobbsee> interesting
[04:50] <Hobbsee> i didnt know we could put NEW stuff in
[04:50] <Hobbsee> then again, i guess nothing else depends on it
[04:55] <bhale> Burgundavia: no sir
[04:56] <bhale> Burgundavia: I have renamed UDS to Ubuntu Developer Lockin
[04:56] <_Enchained> hi
[04:56] <Burgundavia> bhale: why so?
[04:56] <_Enchained> can I have help in packaging for ubuntu ?
[04:56] <bhale> Burgundavia: because thats what it is
[04:56] <Burgundavia> bhale: in what sense?
[04:56] <bhale> is the schedule still 9am to 9pm?
[04:56] <Burgundavia> it was 9 to 6 today
[04:57] <bhale> first day has been historically Community
[04:57] <bhale> and short
[04:57] <bhale> if you are still alive with N hours of jetlag and 12 hours of spec writing
[04:57] <bhale> you are a better man than me
[04:58] <Burgundavia> not there, but yes
[04:58] <rmjb> udf started already?
[04:58] <bhale> udf?
[04:59] <rmjb> uds I mean
[04:59] <rmjb> sorry
[04:59] <Hobbsee> yeah, it started today
[04:59] <rmjb> till saturday/
[04:59] <rmjb> ?
[04:59] <rmjb> !uds
[04:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uds - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:01] <_Enchained> while packaging a software, how can I modify the place where are installed the files ?
[05:01] <minghua> !packaging guide
[05:01] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[05:01] <minghua> _Enchained: please read that guide
[05:02] <minghua> _Enchained: and be more specific what you mean by "the place where are installed the files"
[05:02] <rmjb> you motus get notified of new uploads to revu or a hopeful has to find you all and tell you all?
[05:04] <minghua> only some of the MOTUs, revu-reviewers or something similar, I think
[05:04] <rmjb> oh, okay
[05:04] <rmjb> thanks for all you guys help tonite... my 2nd package has made it to revu
[05:04] <rmjb> good night all
[05:06] <_Enchained> minghua: in fact, the "locales" files are installed in /usr/share/local, but they should be installed in /usr no ?
[05:07] <minghua> _Enchained: yes, they should be in /usr/share/locale/
[05:08] <_Enchained> so, how can I change this ? (I musn't edit the original files)
[05:11] <minghua> well, depends on how you built your package
[05:11] <minghua> it may be a simple ./configure switch
[05:11] <minghua> maybe you need to modify the makefiles
[05:12] <Hobbsee> !info grip edgy
[05:12] <ubotu> grip: GNOME-based CD-player/ripper/encoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.3.1-6build2 (edgy), package size 451 kB, installed size 1292 kB
[06:48] <LaserJock> hola motu land
[06:49] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:50] <LaserJock> I see it is incredibly active in here tonight
[06:50] <crimsun> it's a weeknight.
[06:50] <TheMuso> heh
[06:51] <LaserJock> ah, well it seems the important people are up ;-)
[06:51] <crimsun> well yeah, fabbione's client seems to have just joined
[06:53] <Fujitsu> Hey LaserJock.
[06:54] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: hi dude
[06:55] <LaserJock> it feels so weird not being on IRC much at all today
[06:55] <LaserJock> and yet my day was all about Ubuntu
[06:55] <ajmitch> evening
[06:55] <Fujitsu> Eek, SoundConverter bugs are piling up in both Ubuntu, and a bit in Debian.
[06:55] <Fujitsu> Hi ajmitch.
[06:57] <LaserJock> ajmitch!
[06:57] <LaserJock> long time, no see
[06:59] <ajmitch> yeah..
[07:02] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I'm assuming you have wifi at your hotel?
[07:04] <joejaxx_> LaserJock, *-artwork is done
[07:04] <joejaxx_> :)
[07:04] <LaserJock> joejaxx: \o/
[07:04] <joejaxx_> i am working on default-settings now
[07:04] <joejaxx_> :D
[07:07] <LaserJock> excellent
[07:10] <LaserJock> darn, I don't see the MOTU spec on the schedule tomorrow
[07:11] <LaserJock> but there are 2 low priority specs on the list :/
[07:13] <minghua> how many MOTUs are at Mountain View now?
[07:13] <LaserJock> zul, ajmitch , dholbach
[07:13] <zul> at least 4
[07:13] <LaserJock> myself
[07:14] <LaserJock> I can't think of anybody else off-hand
[07:15] <ajmitch> imbrandon
[07:15] <LaserJock> of course, I'm the only *true* MOTU as I'm the only one that isn't a core-dev ;p
[07:16] <zul> yeah that will change you will be assimilated
[07:17] <ajmitch> hello zul
[07:17] <zul> hey ajmitch how is it going?
[07:17] <LaserJock> resistance is futile
[07:18] <ajmitch> alright..
[07:18] <LaserJock> well, I got mdz to change the MOTU spec to Medium priority
[07:20] <ajmitch> good
[07:21] <minghua> LaserJock: does that mean it will be in the schedule?
[07:21] <LaserJock> I think so
[07:22] <LaserJock> I just want it to be on the schedule before I leave
[07:22] <LaserJock> it's a bit selfish, but it's really one I wanted to be on :-)
[07:24] <minghua> and I want LaserJock to be there too, to represent us "real" MOTUs :-P
[07:25] <zakame> lol
[07:25] <ajmitch> since the rest of us just don't matter :)
[07:25] <zakame> when I edit something in gobby I will save later right? to update the remote session?
[07:27] <crimsun> ajmitch: just mere mortals, I guess
[07:27] <ajmitch> not raging MOTU-holics like some
[07:27] <LaserJock> yeah, slackers ;-)
[07:27] <zakame> MOTU-holics?
[07:28] <LaserJock> that's correctly, "raging Ubuntu-holic MOTU" but I'll let it slide
[07:28] <ajmitch> sorry
[07:28] <LaserJock> haha
[07:28] <zakame> hehe
[07:29] <LaserJock> I didn't even realize I had said that *I* was the one that said
[07:29] <LaserJock> that
[07:29] <LaserJock> I was like, "Why are people calling me that?"
[07:29] <LaserJock> then I did a head-desk
[07:30] <zakame> wp:head-desk
[07:30] <zakame> err ECLI
[07:31] <zakame> should have been ud: too :D
[07:34] <LaserJock> anyway
[07:34] <LaserJock> having 5 MOTUs is a pretty good showing
[07:34] <LaserJock> and Jono said he was very interested in MOTU
[07:34] <ajmitch> he'd better be..
[07:35] <zul> or
[07:35] <LaserJock> well, he was more interested then I would have thought
[08:06] <joejaxx_> yippee
[08:06] <joejaxx_> time to test the fluxbuntu packages on a ubuntu system
[08:11] <joejaxx_> fluxbuntu-desktop is about to be 0.3
[08:23] <joejaxx_> LaserJock, finished default settings
[08:23] <LaserJock> woot
[08:23] <joejaxx_> not i am going to try it on a ubuntu system
[08:24] <joejaxx_> s/it/them
[08:24] <joejaxx_> this should be interesting
[08:31] <LaserJock> Amaranth: ping?
[08:46] <siretart> whoho. feisty looks like being open for buisness :)
[08:47] <joejaxx_> lol
[08:47] <joejaxx_> :P
[09:39] <sivang> morning motus
[09:39] <slomo> hi sivang
[09:39] <sivang> are we synced yet(tm) ? ;)
[09:39] <sivang> slomo: !!
[09:39] <slomo> :)
[09:40] <sivang> slomo: you were off for a while I was afraid uni work ate you!
[09:41] <slomo> oh i was only off over the weekend as usual :) what's the state of feisty now btw, i finally want to upload some stuff ;)
[09:41] <sivang> slomo: I know that some sync are already filed, some of the toolchain is there but still it's not open.
[09:43] <sivang> slomo: what stuff do you want to upload already ?
[09:43] <slomo> dbus*, avahi, mono*, gstreamer* and seahorse ;)
[09:44] <sivang> slomo: ahhh, I see quite a list
[09:45] <Burgundavia> slomo: you going to give us a new ffmpeg with shiny wmv9 goodness?
[09:46] <slomo> Burgundavia: nope, still waiting for a gst-ffmpeg release :/
[09:47] <Burgundavia> hmm, would be nice if the ffmpeg could figure out that stables releases were a good thing and changing api/abi at will is total crack
[09:49] <slomo> they say it would be nice but that they don't have the people or time for it
[09:49] <Burgundavia> interesting assertion
[09:49] <Burgundavia> but, yes, release managment is hard. Observe debian
[09:55] <sivang> Burgundavia: how's the summit going?
[09:55] <Burgundavia> sivang: not there
[10:14] <cbx33> hey peeps
[10:15] <cbx33> apt-get remove nvidia-glx - shouldn't want to remove all xorg pacakges and ubuntu-desktop should it
[10:15] <cbx33> ?
[10:21] <crimsun> I ... wouldn't think so
[10:22] <cbx33> well it does here :(
[10:22] <cbx33> anything I can check
[10:22] <cbx33> and should I raise a bug
[10:22] <cbx33> and is it possible to fix ;)
[10:23] <crimsun> strange, doesn't do that here.
[10:24] <cbx33> hmm...
[10:24] <cbx33> I just upgraded to the latest one
[10:24] <cbx33> ohh...
[10:24] <cbx33> hang on 2 ticks
[10:24] <cbx33> brb
[10:29] <cbx33> still doing it
[10:29] <cbx33> funny thing is it talks about them being needed to be auto-removed
[10:29] <cbx33> and not being required anymore
[10:29] <cbx33> then says it's going to remove them
[10:31] <giskard> you are using external repos?
[10:32] <cbx33> no
[10:33] <cbx33> it's very odd
[10:35] <minghua> you are supposed to have ubuntu-desktop installed
[10:35] <minghua> (and this question is better suited in #ubuntu instead of here)
[11:31] <cbx33> anyone here at uds?
[11:31] <crimsun> most are asleep, I presume.
[11:31] <cbx33> yes me too
[11:31] <cbx33> I was just wondering...the schedule that has been posted
[11:31] <crimsun> and I thought I was the only one who could type while asleep.
[11:31] <cbx33> is that for todays meetings
[11:33] <crimsun> on 2006-11-06 ? I presume so
[11:33] <cbx33> well it's filed on the wiki under sunday's schedule
[11:34] <cbx33> and the page title is different to the H1 title
[11:34] <cbx33> so it is a little confusing
[11:34] <cbx33> I'm presuming on means which day it was generated
[11:35] <Lestat> The new Xvid 1.1.2 will be in edgy ??
[11:36] <crimsun> in Edgy? No.
[11:37] <Lestat> in feisty so ?
[11:38] <crimsun> probably
[11:38] <Lestat> ok thx
[11:38] <crimsun> it just appeared a few days in debian-multimedia, so...
[11:44] <TheMuso> cbx33: Hey dude.
[11:44] <TheMuso> cbx33: You at uds?
[11:45] <cbx33> no
[11:45] <cbx33> :(
[11:45] <cbx33> got invited
[11:45] <cbx33> but work commitments ment i couldn't go
[11:45] <crimsun> same here.
[11:45] <crimsun> perhaps you can attend May 2007's
[11:45] <TheMuso> Ah well.
[11:45] <cbx33> hopefully
[11:46] <cbx33> hopefully i'll be in a new job by then
[11:48] <TheMuso> cbx33: Any responses about discussion on the next round of sounds?
[11:48] <cbx33> nope
[11:48] <cbx33> I was going to do a BOF at UDS
[11:48] <TheMuso> waaaaaa?
[11:48] <cbx33> but seeing as I can't go... :(
[11:49] <TheMuso> cbx33: Did you end up emailing those who didn't like what you did this time around?
[11:49] <cbx33> TheMuso: we'll sort it out at some point
[11:49] <cbx33> TheMuso: no...I didn't get time
[11:49] <cbx33> not yet anyway
[11:49] <TheMuso> Ok no worries.
[11:49] <TheMuso> I should just record my ideas and put them up somewhere. :)
[11:50] <cbx33> how are you though ;)
[11:50] <cbx33> yeh send em through to me
[11:50] <TheMuso> cbx33: I'm very well thanks
[11:50] <TheMuso> I'll do that when I get the recorded.
[11:50] <cbx33> heh
[11:50] <cbx33> cool
[11:51] <cbx33> TheMuso: you may be interested in a new project I'm working on ;)
[11:51] <StevenK> Hum. I may well miss things if I'm at the UDS.
[11:51] <StevenK> Depends what I enroll in.
[11:51] <cbx33> it's only small...a gnome applet for converting files
[11:51] <cbx33> just drag drop and convert ;)
[11:51] <TheMuso> I prefer doing them on the command line myself.
[11:51] <cbx33> I'm working on the audio files side of things at the mo -
[11:51] <cbx33> heh
[11:51] <TheMuso> Sounds good, but not something I'd find useful personally.
[11:52] <cbx33> it's been fun working out gstreamer ;)
[11:52] <TheMuso> I'll bet.
[11:52] <cbx33> works pretty well now
[11:52] <Fujitsu> Aw, poor soundconverter. No deprecating my package :P
[11:52] <cbx33> I can read in ogg mp3 wav and convert to wav ;)
[11:52] <cbx33> sorry Fujitsu
[11:53] <cbx33> ;)
[11:54] <TheMuso> Meh command-line utils FTW.
[11:54] <StevenK> Only because they're simple to make accessible.
[11:54] <cbx33> you see.....I'm hoping cambio will have extendable codec support
[11:54] <StevenK> Because they already mostly are. :-P
[11:54] <cbx33> so it will hopefully be in main
[11:54] <TheMuso> StevenK: Very true, and they are scriptable.
[11:54] <cbx33> but if you install the other gstreamer plugin sets it grows in what it can do ;)
[11:55] <cbx33> initially you'll only get wav/ogg support
[11:55] <cbx33> universe will give you mp3 read
[11:55] <cbx33> multiverse to get mp3 write
[11:57] <cbx33> unfortunately that's due to the licensing :(
[11:58] <Fujitsu> Er, isn't gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly required for MP3 reading?
[11:59] <crimsun> that's one.
[11:59] <crimsun> gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 is an alternative
[11:59] <Fujitsu> Ah, that's true.
[12:00] <cbx33> Fujitsu, yes it's required
[12:00] <TheMuso> I'm not such a fan of gstreamer.
[12:00] <Fujitsu> GStreamer isn't bad.
[12:01] <TheMuso> I don't believe it can give one the best latency atm however.
[12:01] <TheMuso> Adn the jack plugin is no longer maintained.
[12:01] <cbx33> well, it allows me to put cambio in main
[12:01] <cbx33> aww that sux
[12:01] <cbx33> Jack rules
[12:01] <TheMuso> Yep.
[12:01] <TheMuso> Its another reason why I won't be using Jokosher any time soon.
[12:02] <cbx33> I'm sure jono will get jack support built into it at some point
[12:02] <cbx33> you just can't dismiss jack
[12:02] <cbx33> it is da-bomb
[12:02] <TheMuso> I hope so.
[12:03] <cbx33> infact probably the only reaason why he hasn't is the jack plugin not being supported
[12:03] <cbx33> maintained
[12:03] <TheMuso> Any serious audio app that I might want to use has to have jack support, or else it doesn't get a look in.
[12:03] <cbx33> indeed
[12:03] <cbx33> I totally agree with you
[12:03] <TheMuso> Yeah. But IMO it would be better not to use gstreamer for jack.
[12:03] <cbx33> but then we've had this discussion before
[12:03] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[12:04] <cbx33> it is a nice easy framwork to use
[12:04] <cbx33> from my small musings with it
[12:04] <TheMuso> But latency wise? How good is it in that department?
[12:04] <cbx33> I can write python audio apps really easy
[12:04] <cbx33> I'm afraid I havn't tested it for that
[12:04] <TheMuso> RIght.
[12:04] <cbx33> I'm only using it to decode a stream
[12:04] <cbx33> and then encode it again
[12:05] <TheMuso> RIght.
[12:05] <TheMuso> Anyways, thats how I feel about it all.
[12:07] <giskard> do you know if universe is already open?
[12:08] <fernando> morning all
[12:10] <Fujitsu> giskard: It's not.
[12:10] <giskard> Fujitsu: ok!
[03:52] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:02] <Gloubiboulga> hello bddebian
[04:03] <bddebian> heya Gloubiboulga
[04:13] <ajmitch> morning
[04:13] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[04:28] <luisbg> hey ajmitch
[05:59] <giskard> hello dholbach
[05:59] <dholbach> hey giskard
[06:00] <giskard> hub: ehehe :)
[06:15] <imbrandon> moins
[06:16] <ajmitch> hi imbrandon
[06:17] <giskard> hello ajmitch
[06:17] <ajmitch> hi
[06:25] <_Enchained> hi
[06:26] <_Enchained> ajmitch: can you sync the gpg keys between launchpad and revu please ?
[06:33] <bluefoxicy> is oprofile totally broke for anyone else
[06:35] <Adri2000> bluefoxicy: why is it "broken"?
[06:35] <Adri2000> !info oprofile
[06:35] <ubotu> oprofile: system-wide profiler for Linux systems. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.2-1 (edgy), package size 179 kB, installed size 460 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 alpha hppa powerpc sparc amd64 arm mips)
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> Adri2000: Using default event: CPU_CLK_UNHALTED:100000:0:1:1
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> /usr/bin/opcontrol: 1: arith: syntax error: "NR_CHOSEN - 1"
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> No events given.
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> Adri2000:  it seems to randomly give things like "2:  file not found" or "cannot find CLK_WTF" etc etc when trying to start it or, specifically, pass -p library
[06:37] <Adri2000> Adri2000: will be fixed soon, see bug 69455
[06:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69455 in oprofile "bashism in oprofile's opcontrol script prevents user from setting any events" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69455
[06:37] <Adri2000> bluefoxicy*
[06:37] <bluefoxicy> ah, thanks
[06:37] <Adri2000> (lol, talking to myself...)
[06:39] <bluefoxicy> I just happen to have the misfortune of trying this a half hour before the fix gets here huh :P
[06:51] <minghua> hmm, Ubugtu seems to get 69455 wrong
[06:51] <minghua> it's not fixed in ubuntu
[07:11] <chantra> hi, is there anything started for feisty?
[07:11] <chantra> like #ubuntu+1 :)
[07:11] <bhale> syncs dont start for 2 weeks
[07:12] <chantra> okie dokie
[07:12] <chantra> have you guys seen that gaim beta4 has been released
[07:12] <chantra> I guess it will be usefull to create a gaim-text, gaim-ui package
[07:13] <chantra> and a gaim metapackage so you can install gaim-text on a text only mchine without all the X related dependencies
[07:15] <bhale> thats pretty funny
[07:16] <bhale> as sean egan once said of todd berman: "i cant take anyone with a blog seriously, anyway"
[07:17] <chantra> ?
[07:18] <bhale> beta4 will likely be updated in the next few weeks
[07:20] <chantra> yep, but still, being able to run gaim on a non X machine, that will be great :)
[08:07] <ubuntu_newb> Hello all.
[08:08] <_Enchained> ajmitch: here ?
[08:10] <ajmitch> _Enchained: yes?
[08:11] <_Enchained> ajmitch: can you sync the gpg keys between lauchpad (tema contriutors) and revu please ?
[08:11] <_Enchained> Adri2000 said me to ask you...
[08:14] <ajmitch> _Enchained: yes, I did that earlier
[08:14] <_Enchained> ok ajmitch thanks
[08:14] <_Enchained> so I can upload on revu ?...
[08:14] <ajmitch> yes, you should be able to
[08:19] <_Enchained> thks ajmitch
[08:26] <crippledcanary> I just uploaded my first package but forgot to build with -sa and want to upload again.
[08:27] <crippledcanary> Can anyone help out
[08:27] <bhale> rm *.upload
[08:27] <bhale> try again
[08:28] <crippledcanary> thanks... it worked
[08:33] <qmx> hi to everyone
[08:33] <qmx> where can i find docs about how to make packages from svn sources?
[08:33] <qmx> or cvs...
[08:54] <kiko> hey there
[08:54] <kiko> how's it going?
[08:54] <_Enchained> I try to upload my first... ^^
[08:54] <kiko> ajmitch, are you around?
[08:59] <ajmitch> kiko: yep
[09:00] <kiko> ajmitch, so I have two bugs that might be worth looking at from somebody motu-related
[09:00] <ajmitch> such as?
[09:00] <kiko> 70627 and 67416
[09:00] <kiko> I was just wondering about the process
[09:03] <fernando> hi MOTUs on MOTU room heheh =)
[09:07] <_Enchained> Rejected:
[09:07] <_Enchained> Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution. :(
[09:07] <kiko> ajmitch, should I assign to motu, or do something else
[09:07] <_Enchained> what meens ?
[09:07] <ajmitch> _Enchained: you uploaded to revu, not ubuntu?
[09:08] <_Enchained> ajmitch: I must upload to ubuntu ?
[09:08] <_Enchained> not revu?
[09:08] <ajmitch> kiko: just looking at them now - general process is that they get put into a very large queue of bugs to look at in universe
[09:08] <kiko> heh
[09:08] <ajmitch> _Enchained: no, you must upload to revu
[09:08] <_Enchained> ok, I must edit the conf file no ?
[09:09] <Adri2000> _Enchained: in /etc/dput.cf set default_host_main to revu
[09:09] <_Enchained> ok thx Adri2000 (it was written on the revu page ^^)
[09:10] <ajmitch> kiko: and 67416 is main, , no?
[09:11] <kiko> is scrollkeeper main?
[09:11] <kiko> gross!
[09:11] <ajmitch> yep
[09:11] <ajmitch> wonderful, isn't it?
[09:11] <_Enchained> Adri2000: is there a deamon to restart after changing the conf file ?
[09:11] <ajmitch> someone already volunteered to fix tz-brasil, I see
[09:11] <Adri2000> _Enchained: no, then just use dput *.changes
[09:12] <_Enchained> ok
[09:13] <_Enchained> ahh Good signature on packaging/dvd95/dvd95_1.1p2-0ubuntu1.dsc. :)
[09:14] <_Enchained> it's a good sign
[09:20] <_Enchained> ok my package is on revu :)
[09:20] <_Enchained> (dvd95 if someone wants to take a look at)
[10:01] <Mez> whos talking about me :D
[10:01] <Mez> lol
[10:05] <nixternal> haha Mez ;)
[10:05] <Mez> darn you people
[10:05] <Mez> lol - they did sound a bit stunned when I butted into the convo
[10:05] <Mez> lol
[10:09] <Mez> nixternal, you at the conference ?
[10:09] <nixternal> im there as 1's and 0's
[10:09] <nixternal> just like you
[10:10] <nixternal> on a bit-by-bit basis
[10:10] <Mez> nixternal lol
[10:10] <Mez> I wasnt actually paying attention to the convo, then I just heard my name ;)
[10:10] <Mez> scary to be referred to as anything other than "Mez" though
[10:10] <nixternal> ya, imbrandon said your name about going afk during your move
[10:11] <nixternal> haha ya
[10:11] <Mez> but why was going afk bought up ?
[10:11] <nixternal> don't know if it was about package maintenance or what
[10:11] <nixternal> i couldn't catch that, because it was rather faint at that point
[10:11] <Mez> I'll ask him tomorrow ;)
[10:12] <Mez> i'mn surprised voip actually works quite well
[10:12] <Mez> I might set up myself an asterisk server
[10:13] <nixternal> it works very well actually..im going to get in on the mic later...my mic yesterday, got stepped on...so i have to go pick up one here in like...right now actually
[10:13] <Mez> lol
[10:13] <Mez> cause i cant find my uber headset
[10:13] <nixternal> ya, mine will be crappy as well
[10:14] <nixternal> im using my sony streetstyles from like 2000..i love them..but the mic is part of a goofy headset
[10:14] <Mez> nixternal, lol
[10:21] <giskard> do you know why bind9 is not in universe?
[10:22] <geser> because it's in main :)
[10:23] <giskard> ehrr
[10:24] <giskard> why i cannot find it?
[10:24] <geser> !info bind9
[10:24] <ubotu> bind9: Internet Domain Name Server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:9.3.2-2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 292 kB, installed size 724 kB
[10:24] <giskard> what i found is bind8 and  pool/universe/b/bind/bind_8.4.6-1_i386.deb
[10:24] <giskard> ehrr
[10:25] <giskard> geser: on my fresh edgy install i cannot install it
[10:25] <geser> try pool/main/b/bind9
[10:25] <geser> what error do you get?
[10:29] <giskard> geser: it's not listed/showed in apt-cache search/show bind9
[10:29] <giskard> i'm using us.archive.ubuntu.com as mirror
[10:30] <giskard> uhm i can see it: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/bind9/
[10:32] <geser> have you checked your sources.list?
[10:32] <giskard> yes :( bah, stupid me, i wrote edgy universe instead of edgy main universe
[11:40] <chantra> hi back
[11:41] <Adri2000> what should we do when the upstream tarball provides a debian/ directory?
[11:48] <dholbach> Adri2000: it's up to you
[11:48] <dholbach> Adri2000: either re-pack the .orig.tar.gz or live with a badly readable .diff.gz
[11:49] <dholbach> Adri2000: I personally preferred to keep the .orig.tar.gz as it is and try to persuade upstream to drop it
[11:51] <Adri2000> ok, and if I remove it from the tarball, I just have to specify it in the changelog?
[11:51] <_Enchained> Adri2000: c'est pt quel appli ?
[11:52] <_Enchained> pour*
[11:53] <Adri2000> _Enchained: english! ;) (c'est une question gnrale)
[11:53] <_Enchained> ok (sorry)