[12:22] <fdoving> gnite.
[01:05] <Tonio_> Lure_: don't you come to the meeting ?
[01:05] <Lure_> Tonio_: thanks for reminder
[01:07] <Tonio_> imbrandon: don't you come ?
[02:02] <apokryphos> is kde adopting Ubuntu gnome's "no tab" policy?
[02:02] <apokryphos> kubuntu's kde, I mean, of course
[02:03] <Jucato> apokryphos: what do you mean?
[02:03] <crimsun> you completely missed the joke ;)
[02:03] <Jucato> just woke up... so I probably did... :(
[02:03] <crimsun> when you put seb and keybuk together, there's a lot of junk flying through the air
[02:03] <apokryphos> phooo
[02:05] <apokryphos> crimsun: I thought it might just be a crazy ubuntu-gnome-like usability decision
[02:05] <crimsun> yeah, who needs tabs anyhow
[02:05] <apokryphos> 8)
[02:05] <crimsun> too confusing to new users!
[02:06] <apokryphos> all my windows users find it a slightly odd concept at first, but it's pretty mainstream now with firefox *and* IE
[02:07] <crimsun> I didn't like tabs at first, but now it's a lifesaver with this tiny screen
[02:07] <apokryphos> tabs for quite a few sessions, tree-view for millions (kate, irc)
[02:08] <apokryphos> though actually I don't hold to that in the case of browsers; need maximum horizontal browsing space 8)
[02:11] <Riddell> crimsun: what's the joke?
[02:12] <crimsun> Riddell: elimination of tabs
[02:12] <jjesse> ah man i want a free smoothie :(
[02:13] <apokryphos> [00:54:11]  <Burgwork> seb128: what was the final conclusion from that tab discussion?
[02:13] <apokryphos> [00:55:22]  <Keybuk> Burgwork: we're eliminating all tabs from all applications and using multiple windows
[02:13] <apokryphos> [00:55:30]  <Burgwork> Keybuk: right
[02:13] <apokryphos> [00:55:32]  <seb128> tabs are evil
[02:13] <Riddell> funny people :)
[02:13] <Jucato> :D
[02:20] <Riddell> hello freet15 
[02:21] <jjesse> hello Riddell
[02:21] <freet15> Riddell: Helo
[02:21] <freet15> where are you?
[02:22] <Riddell> freet15: ubiquity bof, googleplex, USA
[02:22] <Riddell> jjesse: I'll save you a smoothie
[02:22] <jjesse> hiya Hobbsee
[02:22] <jjesse> Riddell: thanks
[02:22] <jjesse> Hobbsee: do you have a toshiba a20 laptop?
[02:22] <freet15> Riddell: o~
[02:22] <Riddell> jjesse: is anything happening with the kubuntu feisty docs spec?
[02:23] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!
[02:23] <jjesse> not much, i know nixternal and i have discussed some minor things, but the biggest thing is to re-write the desktop guide including material from the book and finish the switching from windows guide that was done in ubuntu but not kubuntu
[02:23] <Hobbsee> jjesse: nope
[02:24] <Hobbsee> hey jjesse, Jucato!
[02:24] <jjesse> Hobbsee: hmm i thought you had a toshiba laptop
[02:24] <Hobbsee> oh darn i didnt grab headphones
[02:24] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i do, an a10
[02:24] <jjesse> ah
[02:24] <Hobbsee> but it's not here, i got a new one ;0
[02:24] <Hobbsee> * :)
[02:24] <jjesse> i can't get my to suspend :(
[02:24] <Hobbsee> ahh
[02:24] <Hobbsee> kernel issue?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> mine wouldnt suspend very well before edgy, if at all
[02:25] <jjesse> don't know if its a kernel issue, but if i use the power management and mark "supsend if laptop lid is closed" it will suspend everytime i loging
[02:25] <jjesse> i get a message that says "laptop lid is closed suspending"
[02:25] <Hobbsee> it suspends every time you login?
[02:26] <jjesse> correct, if i have checked "suspend laptop if lid is closed"
[02:26] <Hobbsee> very odd.  i never tried that, as i knew suspend was weird on my laptop
[02:26] <Hobbsee> X would never quite come back correctly - changes in xorg.conf to the mouse would never be taken
[02:27] <jjesse> hibernate works fine
[02:28] <Hobbsee> you know, the floor really isnt a good place to do an assignment
[02:30] <freet15> Did you find something from your dmesg and log ?
[02:31] <Riddell> it's a bug in guidance-power-manager
[02:32] <jjesse> i think i filed one already
[02:32] <Riddell> sebas: I'm changing kubuntu-samba from discussion to drafting, unless someone in your room objects
[02:33] <jjesse> bug #70102
[02:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70102 in kde-guidance "Problems w/ Laptop always suspending" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70102
[02:38] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i'm thinking we should hardcode the laptop multimedia buttons as the alternate global shortcuts for amarok
[02:39] <Hobbsee> for some reason, only some of them seem to be, on my profile at least
[02:45] <Hobbsee> hey jdong 
[03:00] <jjesse> ok just restarted computer and received the "laptop lid is closed doing nothing" anything i can do to help troubleshoot that bug?
[03:05] <Lure> jjesse: can you do the following: before login, switch to text console (Ctrl-Alt-F1), login and start lshal -m
[03:05] <jjesse> sure
[03:05] <Lure> jjesse: then switch to Ctrl-Alt-F7 and login, then switch back to Ctrl-Alt-F1 and send us output of lshal -m
[03:05] <Lure> and you should have lid setting to None!
[03:05] <jjesse> i'll update the bug w/ what i see
[03:05] <jjesse> i do
[03:06] <jjesse> i think
[03:06] <jjesse> :)
[03:06] <Lure> jjesse: thanks 
[03:07] <Lure> jjesse: and please attach output of "lshal"
[03:08] <jjesse> will do
[03:09] <jdong> Hobbsee: hey
[03:10] <jdong> grr geez I forgot what I was about to do
[03:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:10] <Hobbsee> jdong: you can laugh at serious forum crack if you want :P
[03:10] <Jucato> er.. "jdong's head"
[03:10] <jdong> Hobbsee: oh boy :)
[03:11] <jjesse> ooooo i like serious forum crack
[03:11] <jdong> oh yes! e-mail a bzr bundle!
[03:11] <Jucato> serious crack? :P
[03:11] <Hobbsee> jjesse: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=294066
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yep.  in my view, anyway
[03:12] <jjesse> lol
[03:12] <Jucato> whoa! Hobbsee posted something?!?! :-O
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: sure i do.  i've posted 3 things today
[03:13] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:14] <Hobbsee> one was my desktop, another was "let's think about the size of cds before we try adding the text installer onto the live cd.  duh"
[03:14] <Hobbsee> and i've forgotten what the third was
[03:14] <Jucato> desktop screenshots, "we failed ubuntu?"
[03:14] <Hobbsee> clearly, i dont have much patience for stupid suggestions, particularly at the above thread
[03:14] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, that too. 
[03:14] <Jucato> and new forum ambassadors :)
[03:14] <Hobbsee> i did?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> oh yeah
[03:15] <Hobbsee> sure, why not
[03:15] <Jucato> lol
[03:15] <Hobbsee> you seem more sensible than a lot of those people :P
[03:15] <Jucato> but not more sensible than jdong :)
[03:15] <Hobbsee> no, he's crazy.  he helps run the forums.
[03:16] <Jucato> hahah yeah that's worse :)
[03:16] <jdong> :)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:17] <Hobbsee> poor you :P
[03:17] <jjesse> why do they do they seem to want karma and automatic membership for posting to the forums, but not be under the CC?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> they want automatic membership?  of what?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> as in, ubuntu membership?
[03:18] <Jucato> they do?
[03:18] <jjesse> i thought i read that in one of the specs
[03:18] <Jucato> jdong: are you in udsmtv? ubuntu demon is there, right?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yes, he is
[03:19] <Hobbsee> they both are, i think
[03:19] <Hobbsee> jjesse: ah right.  i didnt read a lot of the specs
[03:19] <Jucato> hm... that wouldn't be good, would it?
[03:19] <jdong> Jucato: I'm not there
[03:20] <Jucato> jdong: ah...
[03:21] <Hobbsee> Jucato: sort of.  there's a lot of rubbish on there.
[03:21] <Hobbsee> Jucato: it's probably worth a skim, if you're interested in it
[03:22] <Jucato> I'm not used to forum rubbish anymore... at least not like before... :(
[03:22] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:22] <Jucato> IRC can really change you... :P
[03:22] <jjesse> agreed i don't ever use the forums
[03:22] <jjesse> except perhaps if i find something from google
[03:23] <Jucato> I started with the forums. It was a big help to me at that time. I rarely post questions anymore, though.
[03:23] <Hobbsee> same here
[03:24] <Hobbsee> actually, i do use a couple of howtos on there that arent on crack
[03:24] <Jucato> hehe
[03:24] <jjesse> if they are good they should be moved over to hte wiki
[03:25] <Hobbsee> they may well be - i just google to find them
[03:25] <Jucato> if they are *really* good, reproducible, and not error prone (or on crack...)
[03:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:25] <Hobbsee> like "how to backup your entire system"
[03:25] <jjesse> ok time to go take the whinning dog out for his evening consitutional
[03:25] <jjesse> brb
[03:25] <Jucato> oh, I forgot, they have to be maintained or updated too...
[03:26] <Jucato> Hobbsee: nice desktop background!  :)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Jucato: :)  yep
[03:26] <Hobbsee> what's wrong with calling it a wallpaper?
[03:27] <Jucato> where's the wall? :P
[03:27] <Hobbsee> point
[03:27] <Jucato> don't mind me. it's just my silly "the desktop metaphor needs updating" opinion :P
[03:27] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:28] <Jucato> btw, what's that app beside the firefox icon? (monitor with a sea shell?)
[03:28] <Jucato> er.. is that even a seashell? lol
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Jucato: konsole. and yes, it is a seashell
[03:29] <Jucato> hm... from the looks of the K Menu, I'm guessing you're not using Crystal SVG, are you? :)
[03:29] <Hobbsee> correct
[03:29] <Hobbsee> crystal icons 0.9
[03:30] <Jucato> ooh. 
[03:30] <Jucato> from our repos?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> of course
[03:30] <Hobbsee> oh, wait
[03:30] <Hobbsee> i think so
[03:31] <Hobbsee> nope, i must have added that one by hand
[03:31] <Hobbsee> the folders are really nice
[03:32] <Jucato> not as nice as Oxygen, I bet :P
[03:33] <Jucato> ok, it wasn't the one from the repos...
[03:33] <Hobbsee> yeah, but i tend not to compile from svn
[03:33] <Hobbsee> it's from kdelook then
[03:33] <Jucato> :)
[03:34] <Jucato> I somehow like that (your) K Menu icon better than the current one... although it doesn't look much like a gear...
[03:34] <Hobbsee> yeah...that's the part i dont really like of that theme
[03:35] <Hobbsee> well, ki'm more used to having my butterfly kmenu.  but it does look pretty :)
[03:35] <Jucato> butterfly... :)
[03:37] <Hobbsee> yup
[03:42] <Jucato> whew! Konqi's crash monitor extension is a lifesaver!
[04:21] <Jucato> was Kopete 0.12.2 backported in Dapper?
[06:57] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee 
[06:57] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell :)
[06:58] <Riddell> you're a whole day ahead of me now
[06:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: :)
[06:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: stop living in the past!
[07:00] <Hobbsee> @time sydney
[07:00] <Ubugtu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: November 07 2006, 17:00:04
[07:01] <abattoir> Hi Riddell, Hobbsee
[07:01] <abattoir> Riddell: how's the summit going?
[07:01] <Hobbsee> hey abattoir 
[07:02] <Riddell> abattoir: busy and groovy
[07:03] <abattoir> Riddell: good ;)
[07:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: got pages for the stuff that you've been discussing so far, or will we all have to wait till the summit is over?
[07:03] <Riddell> Hobbsee: the specs we've discussed have notes on them, but most aren't written yet
[07:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, and the specs with notes have accompanying wiki pages, if we want to read?  (knowing that most of them didnt before)
[07:05] <Riddell> yes, the wiki page has the content
[07:06] <Hobbsee|Remote> cool
[07:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: have you got imbrandon off that mountain dew rubbish yet?  :P
[07:18] <Riddell> Hobbsee: last I saw he was on beer, but I shall introduce him to irn bru soon enough
[07:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: haha :)
[07:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what can i participate in tomorrow, via voip?  anything?
[07:22] <Riddell> Hobbsee: actually tomorrow we only have drafting scheduled
[07:22] <Riddell> we will probably do other things too but more ad-hoc
[07:23] <Riddell> I can ping you on irc when we do that
[07:23] <Riddell> I want to do artwork tomorrow
[07:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right
[07:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that'd be good :)
[07:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm at uni for a couple of hours, but might be here the rest of the time.  the timing is out, of course :)
[07:25] <Riddell> Hobbsee: do you have voip all set up?  have you need trying it out?
[07:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i've got it set up, a slight bit of buzz, but it should be fine
[07:27] <Hobbsee> i can try it out anyway, if you want
[07:29] <Riddell> someone tell tonio I edited kubuntu-multimedia-simplification when he gets back onlnie
[07:29] <Hobbsee> will do
[07:29] <abattoir> hmm, simplify oem installation was apparently on the agenda today...
[07:29] <Hobbsee> sounds like the wifi is better than it was in paris, anyway
[07:30] <abattoir> Riddell: any idea what came out of it?
[07:30] <abattoir> Hobbsee: it's the Googleplex :P
[07:30] <Hobbsee> abattoir: true.  i thought i heard they were still having a bit of trouble
[07:30] <abattoir> they probably have the best connection in the planet
[07:30] <abattoir> Hobbsee: oh ok
[07:30] <abattoir> *on the planet
[07:31] <Hobbsee> lol
[07:31] <Riddell> abattoir: no, I wasn't at it
[07:31] <Riddell> abattoir: we're on google's crappy slow guest network, it's quite depressing
[07:31] <abattoir> Riddell: oh, i guess you were at the language selector meeting
[07:32] <abattoir> Riddell: oh, that's sad to hear :(
[07:33] <Riddell> no, but Silicon Vally is great for everywhere having free wifi
[07:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so they all have free wifi, but it's a guest network, and therefore crap?
[07:37] <Hobbsee> ah yes, discussing more of kde4 in feisty
[09:21] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: ping 
[09:21] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: pong
[09:21] <imbrandon> heya girly
[09:21] <Hobbsee> heya :)
[09:21] <Hobbsee> how's UDS?
[09:22] <imbrandon> good, headed to the room soon
[09:22] <Hobbsee> fun
[09:22] <Hobbsee> hah @ -devel
[09:22] <imbrandon> just pokin in the room for a sec
[09:22] <imbrandon> @ -devel ?
[09:23] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: #ubuntu-devel
[09:23] <Lure> [00:21]  <mnepton> Hobbsee: Brandon keeps asking if i have nude photos of you. make it stop.
[09:23] <imbrandon> HAHHA
[09:23] <imbrandon> yea he is accross the room
[09:23] <imbrandon> i slapped him for ya
[09:24] <Hobbsee> haha
[09:24] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[09:24] <imbrandon> elk and jono say hi
[09:24] <crimsun> insanity abounds.
[09:24] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: say hi back to them for me, please :)
[09:24] <imbrandon> heya crimsun 
[09:24] <imbrandon> wish you were both here
[09:25] <imbrandon> they say "HI" and i think we are going to the rooms for the night, gnight
[09:25] <Hobbsee> someone has to keep control of au, i'm afraid
[09:25] <Hobbsee> night!
[09:25] <Hobbsee> going to the rooms for what though?
[09:25] <imbrandon> i dont have as many BoF's scheduled tomarrow so i'll try to catch up in irc
[09:25] <imbrandon> sleep, it 12pm localtime
[09:26] <imbrandon> later yall
[09:27] <Mez> For feck sake
[09:27] <Hobbsee> Mez: hmmm?
[09:28] <Mez> I wish people would not try to upload things to ubuntu that I'm working on
[09:28] <Mez> even though he isnt here
[09:28] <Hobbsee> hah
[09:30] <Mez> Subject: 	katapult_0.3.1.4-0ubuntu1_source.changes Rejected
[09:30] <Mez> since when has feisty been open ?
[09:30] <Hobbsee> it's not been widely announced, i dont think
[09:31] <crimsun> it's not open afaik.
[09:32] <Mez> crimsun, so howcome I just got a bounce from soyuz rejecting a package due to a missing orig.tar.gz
[09:33] <crimsun> Mez: even if you had uploaded one built with -sa, it should have done into the queue
[09:33] <crimsun> s/done/gone/
[09:33] <Mez> crimsun, manual review ?
[09:34] <crimsun> afaik, yes
[09:36] <Mez> hmmm
[09:36] <Mez> feisty is now the default for "currently translated in rosetta"
[09:37] <Mez> why is tonio_ never on IRC?
[09:38] <crimsun> 19:09 -!- Tonio_ [i=tonio@conference/ubuntuconf/x-e22d0608c7d27a36]  has quit [Remote closed the connection] 
[09:39] <Hobbsee> Mez: he often is.  but when you arent
[09:40] <Mez> yeah - but he's uploading crap to ubuntu
[10:15] <Mez> omfg... what the hell
[10:18] <Mez> Hobbsee, could you help me a little here
[10:18] <Mez> you're a MOTU right ?
[12:33] <hunger> Any chance of getting a Qt update for edgy?
[12:34] <hunger> I guess this is a bad time to ask with everybody being at google...
[12:35] <Hobbsee> indeed
[12:35] <Hobbsee> unlikely, i would assume
[12:40] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/wlassistant/+bug/64841
[12:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64841 in wlassistant "wireless assisant does not connect in edgy" [High,Confirmed]  
[12:40] <Hobbsee> someone probably needs to look into that and figure otu why
[02:52] <gnomefreak> fdoving: you here?
[02:56] <gnomefreak> if anyone is able to change kubuntu.org pages. the upgrade process needs to be rewritten. the way its written now can really bork an upgrade pretty bad. it should be something more like install kubuntu-desktop and others before you change your sources.list file and/or use update-manager as it will grab missing -desktop package for you. and it will fix the libgl1-mesa-glx version issues with compiz among other issues. heres the link ht
[03:06] <nixternal> gnomefreak: which way should it be?
[03:06] <nixternal> anyway you do it will bork it ;)
[03:07] <gnomefreak> nixternal: if its not gonna say to use update-manager the very first thing should be to install kubuntu-desktop python-qt3 python-kde3 ubuntu-minimal
[03:07] <gnomefreak> before changing the repos
[03:10] <gnomefreak> and it should state since your doing it with apt to remove any and all non-official packages
[03:11] <nixternal> ya, i thought when i did that page i did it the upgrade manager way with adept, but i don't remember now...have to wait for Riddell, since he is the one with access there
[03:15] <gnomefreak> there is a bug report pointing to that page (his upgrade failied badly) but it can be a number of reasons. those are just changes off top of head that need to be made
[03:20] <nixternal> gnomefreak: those instructions are already there
[03:21] <gnomefreak> nixternal: in wrong order. you need kubuntu-desktop to be installed before upgrading so it has no issues grabbing packages from it
[03:22] <gnomefreak> the way it reads atm the upgrade will fail. if those packages are not installed before starting
[03:22] <nixternal> ahhhh
[03:23] <gnomefreak> nixternal: peek at this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades
[03:25] <gnomefreak> if the user is using xgl/compiz the upgrade will fail anyway due to libgl1-mesa-glx being a different version (higher) than the one in edgy. update-manager fixes that for the user.
[04:04] <nixternal> gnomefreak: http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/upgrading.diff
[04:05] <gnomefreak> looks good thank you
[04:06] <nixternal> Riddell: http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/upgrading.diff    <-- fixed upgrading section to the 6.10 release notes page ;)
[04:18] <bddebian> Heya
[05:34] <hunger> When will the devs get back from mountainview?
[05:35] <Tm_T> Never, they are captured as slaves.
[05:35] <mhb> hunger: it's hard to smuggle devices to Europe, so probably never
[05:35] <Tm_T> "devices" =)
[05:36] <hunger> Tm_T: Well, if the google ppl at mountainview are anything like those at dublin, then I actually believe that!
[05:47] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[05:48] <Riddell> hi me	
[05:48] <Riddell> Mez: 
[05:48] <Mez> Riddell, if you can make sure kds is set up for voip so I can listen in/join in - it'd be nice
[05:48] <Riddell> we're not discussing anything today, at least not scheduled
[05:49] <Mez> Riddell: u sure?
[05:49] <Mez> oh, its a reviewing session
[05:49] <Mez> lol
[05:50] <Mez> apologies, it didnt show that before
[05:58] <allee> Mez: I try to get twinkle working too.  No success yet :(  Is it working for you?
[05:59] <Mez> allee, yeah, very nicely
[05:59] <allee> Mez: jalious ;)
[05:59] <Mez> thing is I have 3 firewalls
[05:59] <Mez> and it's auto-negotiated through all of them
[06:00] <allee> Mez: sounds cool.  We've only one campus firewall.  So it always takes time to poke holes into it ;)
[06:00] <Mez> allee, you shoudlnt really need anything to dial out
[06:01] <allee> Mez: UDP is completely blocked here
[06:01] <allee> ^^ by default
[06:01] <Mez> allee... ah
[06:01] <Mez> that would do it
[06:02] <allee> Mez: I asked for 5060 and 8000-8005 to be opened for my laptop.  Hope this is enough
[06:02] <Mez> *hugs alleed*
[06:02] <Mez> allee*
[06:10] <MidMark> hi, if kubuntu freeze with a pcmcia wireless card it means firmware are broken?
[06:10] <MidMark> it's an asus wl100g with broadcom chip
[06:15] <blackmoon> hi, how can i submit a bug?
[06:15] <Tonio__> Mez: ping ?
[06:15] <Tonio__> Mez: I saw your agressive email....
[06:15] <Tonio__> Mez: did you even know why I did the upload ?
[06:15] <Mez> Tonio__, no ..
[06:15] <Tonio__> Mez: that's not for feisty in the first place, but to provide a backport to edgy
[06:15] <Mez> Tonio__, sorry about the agressivenes... :D
[06:15] <Tonio__> katapult is broken on edgy
[06:15] <Mez> but it was a lil weird
[06:16] <Mez> Tonio__, yes, and I'm waiting for the SRU bug to go througyh to fix it
[06:16] <Tonio__> Mez: well we'll use 0.4 brabch on feisty
[06:16] <Mez> Tonio__, it doesnt seem to have gone through anyways
[06:16] <Tonio__> Mez: the problem on edgy is that the "non-english" patch doesn't work
[06:16] <Tonio__> Mez: but a backport is the logical way to fix it
[06:16] <Tonio__> imbrandon: ping ?
[06:16] <Mez> Tonio__, it does...
[06:17] <Mez> well, it will do once the SRU has gone through
[06:17] <Tonio__> but well, no issues on that point, we all want to know the same thing: katapult to work
[06:18] <Tonio__> :)
[06:20] <abattoir> !bug | blackmoon
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[06:20] <abattoir> Tonio__: there was a message for you, from Riddell
[06:20] <abattoir> Tonio__: something to the effect that he had edited/modified Kubuntu multimedia simplification...
[06:21] <Tonio__> abattoir: yeah I know
 someone tell tonio I edited kubuntu-multimedia-simplification when he gets back onlnie
[06:21] <Tonio__> abattoir: Riddell is here with me in mountain view :)
[06:21] <abattoir> Tonio__: oh ok then
[06:21] <Tonio__> abattoir: we did this together hehe
[06:21] <abattoir> Tonio__: i know that, i meant if he was starting at #kubuntu-devel :P
[06:22] <Tonio__> abattoir: he is probably in a conference or drafting on his own
[06:22] <MidMark> wlan assistant will have wpa/wpa2 support? it has only wep support!
[06:22] <abattoir> Tonio__: oh ok, have fun, all of you :)
[06:22] <blackmoon> abattoir: thanks
[06:22] <Tonio__> Mez: concerning the "non english" patch, I can ensure you it doesn't work in the edgy package
[06:23] <Mez> Tonio__, it will with the SRU
[06:23] <Tonio__> Mez: yes I know that
[06:24] <Mez> http://librarian.launchpad.net/4957414/katapult_0.3.1.3-0ubuntu6.diff.gz
[06:24] <Tonio__> Mez: I just didn't knew you where preparing the patch
[06:24] <Mez> Tonio__, the patch has been sitting there forever
[06:24] <Tonio__> Mez: even Riddell didn't knew since he was agree that I uploaded it
[06:24] <Tonio__> Mez: so sorry for the confusion, probably communication issue
[06:24] <Tonio__> ;)
[06:24] <Mez> Tonio__, but the thing was, what was with the random files in it /
[06:26] <Riddell> blackmoon: launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu and click on bugs
[06:26] <blackmoon> Riddell: thank you
[06:26] <Mez> Riddell, can you poke mdz or cjwatson and get them to approve the SRU for katapult ?
[06:28] <Riddell> Mez: they'll be aware of it
[06:28] <Tonio__> Mez: hum.... I just looked at your paste.... I don't know what's this file lemme check..... probably in the package diff or something
[06:29] <Mez> it's in the diff.gz
[06:29] <Mez> it's created by you
[06:29] <Tonio__> Mez: all I did was taking the tarball, then uupdate and removed the packages.... I don't know where does this come from... look related to Riddell (/home/jr)
[06:29] <Tonio__> Mez: by me ? that's not possible, I don't have this patch on my laptop
[06:29] <Tonio__> this "path" sorry
[06:30] <Mez> Tonio__, which paste you on about ?
[06:30] <Mez> Riddell, I know but it';s been sitting there for a wqeek or so now whereas others have just gone straight past
[06:30] <Tonio__> Mez: http://rafb.net/paste/results/YBjD2473.html
[06:30] <Tonio__> this one
[06:31] <Tonio__> that can't come from my computer
[06:31] <Tonio__> Mez: but well if it is just a matter of cleaning the diff, I'll do that today if you don't mind
[06:31] <Mez> Tonio__, that's from the upload you made to ubuntu
[06:31] <Tonio__> Mez: weird....., you say that isn't in the edgy package ? I'mm looking at it
[06:32] <Mez> tonio, get the diff.gz and zcat it and pipe it to lsdiff
[06:33] <Tonio__> Mez: yes I see...
[06:34] <Tonio__> Mez: it is already in the edgy package.....
[06:34] <Tonio__> same issue in the diff
[06:35] <Tonio__> Mez: that's just in my package because I did an upgrade with uupdate so that the diff is kept
[06:35] <Tonio__> Mez: I will fix the diff, and reupload to feisty if you don't mind, ok ?
[06:35] <Mez> Tonio__, I dont believe the original was accepted was it /
[06:35] <Tonio__> Mez: it is ! look at the current package ;)
[06:36] <Mez> Tonio__, it didnt come through to -changes
[06:36] <Tonio__> Mez: let me show you
[06:36] <Mez> yeah i se
[06:38] <Tonio__> Mez: okay so that old issue, but I'll fix today, no pb
[06:38] <Tonio__> Mez: it doesn't impact the binary deb actually, so that's minor problem
[07:07] <Riddell> I couldn't find imbrandon 
[07:08] <Mez> Riddell: room 5001
[07:08] <Mez> s/5001/202
[07:09] <Riddell> Mez: telephone extention numbers mean nothing to me :)
[07:09] <Mez> Riddell, hence why I changed it
[07:09] <Mez> room 502
[07:09] <Mez> 202 *
[08:06] <jpetso> sebas: how do i keep your new battery systray applet from starting up every time kde does? it doesn't seem to work with kde session management or as a kde service, so how is it actually started?
[08:11] <_Sime> Hi guys, having fun?
[08:11] <Riddell> jpetso: it's in /usr/share/autostart
[08:11] <Riddell> _Sime: warg!  too many specs!
[08:11] <mhb> Riddell: too many?
[08:12] <Riddell> I'm drowning in BoFs
[08:12] <jpetso> Riddell: ah, thanks. i didn't know there's a system-wide autostart folder as well
[08:12] <Riddell> all the gnome ones need KDE work too, besides our own KDE ones
[08:14] <_Sime> Riddell: is there anything particularly special going into feisty? or will it just be holding the fort until KDE 4 comes?
[08:14] <mhb> Riddell: what with the "Undefined" priority specs (like the grubconfig one)? Will it get reviewed by the usability folks?
[08:15] <Riddell> _Sime: new upgrade tool, improved language selector, network-manager by default
[08:15] <Riddell> and packaing lots of kde 4 to hold the fort
[08:15] <Riddell> oh and replace openoffice base with kexi
[08:16] <Riddell> a number of changes to ubiquity
[08:16] <Riddell> oh and porting ubiquity to qt 4
[08:16] <Riddell> and language selector
[08:16] <abattoir> hehe :P
[08:17] <mhb> and grub config tool :o) (joke)
[08:17] <abattoir> Riddell: just curious, are you going to work on the upgrade tool? will it be Qt4?
[08:20] <Riddell> mhb: looking
[08:20] <Riddell> abattoir: it'll be KDE 3, it needs an embedded console
[08:22] <Riddell> mhb: passing it on to usability celeste
[08:22] <mhb> Riddell: thanks
[08:23] <Riddell> seele: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuGrubconfig
[08:23] <Riddell> seele: mhb is the dude to poke if you have comments
[08:33] <claydoh> If I remember right, Lycoris had a kcontrol applet to configure grub, but I can't find it in the sources I have
[08:33] <fdoving> gnomefreak: ping? was it anything special? 
[08:34] <claydoh> I don't remember if kde had one or it was one of their own applets
[08:49] <Lure> sebas: this is the KUniqueApplication issue I mentioned: http://lists.kde.org/?l=pykde&m=115998965601809&w=2
[08:50] <gnomefreak> fdoving: i think nixternal took care of it ty
[08:51] <fdoving> gnomefreak: ok, great :)
[08:54] <fdoving> why? 
[08:54] <gnomefreak> linux-libc-dev doesnt match kernel version
[08:55] <gnomefreak> guess it doesnt matter because it wasnt the same to start with
[09:30] <seele> mhb: ping
[09:32] <mhb> seele: I'm here
[09:34] <seele> mhb: is your gmail address on the wiki the best way to get a hold of you?
[09:35] <mhb> seele: it's the mail address I check most often, so yes
[09:36] <seele> ok
[09:36] <seele> i am looking over your UI and learning about Grub and its options
[09:37] <mhb> seele: one of the problematic things here is to manage the boot options for grub and the kernel
[09:38] <seele> yeah
[09:38] <seele> are you getting my private messages?
[09:38] <mhb> seele: no, can't tell why
[09:39] <mhb> seele: I'm identified alright
[09:39] <seele> doh, i wasnt logged in :)
[09:48] <allee> mhb: lsdiff -z whatever.diff.gz  is more convinient ;)
[09:49] <allee> Mez: ^^
[09:49] <allee> mhb: sorry
[11:05] <Riddell> nixternal: we need to move the release notes out of the docs package I think
[11:05] <Riddell> nixternal: the ubuntu ones are on a wiki page and we're going to change ubiquity to show them as an option so we should follow them
[11:56] <nixternal> Riddell: groovy man. you are referring to the ubiquity spec i think, the one where kwwii made a proposed image?  i think...but yes, we will rock out some good stuff, I promise that. I am working my arse off to make sure 7.04 is the best!
[12:10] <Riddell> nixternal: ubiquity release notes has no spec
[12:11] <Riddell> err, it is a spec, it has no image
[12:11] <nixternal> hmm..ok, i thought i seen an image earlier
[12:11] <nixternal> maybe im thinking of another spec
[12:12] <nixternal> ubiquity-slideshow