[12:12] <|jordan|> Kubuntu
[12:12] <fdoving> soulrider: now you'll find it as 'magicfile'
[12:12] <smaggard> ah ok
[12:12] <|jordan|> i use KDE on SuSe
[12:12] <|jordan|> not so keen on gnome
[12:12] <smaggard> yeah i like kde much better than gnome
[12:13] <smaggard> basically cuz kde is all ive really ever used
[12:13] <|jordan|> what version of KDE is it?
[12:13] <smaggard> 3.5
[12:13] <|jordan|> good
[12:13] <smaggard> yeah
[12:13] <smaggard> 3.5.5 i think
[12:13] <soulrider> i did find . -inum putthenumberhere -exec mv {} magicfile \;' with my number there
[12:13] <soulrider> and all is ee now is
[12:13] <soulrider> >
[12:14] <soulrider> oh wait
[12:14] <soulrider> crap
[12:14] <fdoving> soulrider: remove the ''s
[12:14] <gobi> i like KDE over Gnome too so far
[12:14] <soulrider> hold on
[12:14] <Lam_> is there an official update for kopete for the AIM/ICQ bug in the repositories yet?
[12:14] <soulrider> i forgot to remove ht eone at the end :P
[12:14] <smaggard> you can install kubuntu and then install gnome too and have both
[12:15] <smaggard> or do the same with ubuntu
[12:15] <|jordan|> but why waste disk space on junk xD
[12:15] <smaggard> they are the same, just one is gnome and one is kde
[12:15] <smaggard> lol true...
[12:15] <|jordan|> they're kinda different
[12:15] <|jordan|> i would say KDE is more windows like
[12:15] <|jordan|> where gnome is more Macish
[12:15] <soulrider> its removed!
[12:15] <soulrider> thanks!!!!! :D:D:D
[12:16] <gobi> |jordan|: yea
[12:16] <smaggard> kde is extremely customizable and has tons of eye candy that can be enabled or disabled depending on how slow/fast your computer is
[12:16] <|jordan|> and well
[12:16] <|jordan|> linux > windows > mac
[12:16] <|jordan|> xD
[12:16] <smaggard> lol
[12:16] <soulrider> no
[12:16] <soulrider> linux > mac > widnows
[12:16] <gobi> atari > *
[12:16] <soulrider> windows is bottom, in everything :P
[12:16] <soulrider> lol
[12:16] <|jordan|> one mouse button for the win!
[12:16] <smaggard> unix > linux > mac > windows
[12:17] <cntb> OS flaming is ridic...
[12:17] <|jordan|> oh ubuntu is deb based right?
[12:17] <smaggard> yup
[12:17] <|jordan|> cool
[12:17] <smaggard> you can pretty much get any deb and run it
[12:17] <|jordan|> so no more rpms?
[12:18] <smaggard> lol yeah no more rpms unless you want them.
[12:18] <apokryphos> Guys, this channel is support. For other discussion join us in #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:18] <|jordan|> well they wont have a use
[12:18] <smaggard> you can run rpms with alien i think.
[12:18] <smaggard> im not sure tho.. might be wrong.
[12:18] <Lam_> is there a way to get more options for konqueror?  i want to have an ability to disable konqueror from asking if i want to save a password whenever i enter one
[12:18] <|jordan|> oh also
[12:18] <|jordan|> i know its not the safest idea
[12:19] <|jordan|> but is there anyway to stop the pain in the ass "enter root password"
[12:19] <|jordan|> anytime you want to change something
[12:19] <fdoving> soulrider: (sorry 'bout the delay) you're welcome, the commandline is very powerfull :)
[12:19] <Lam_> |jordan|: if you are on KDE, you can check the System Settings under Advanced for Login Manager and set the Conveinence tab to however you want it
[12:19] <smaggard> kde has some options
[12:20] <|jordan|> ive had a look there
[12:20] <soulrider> yes
[12:20] <|jordan|> and root doesnt appear in the user list
[12:20] <soulrider> i had no idea files had some sort of Id number
[12:20] <soulrider> every day i like linux more and more
[12:20] <Lam_> |jordan|: root account is disabled by default.  the "root password" is your password
[12:20] <soulrider> its f****ing wonderful!
[12:20] <FJ_Sanchez> Hello everybody
[12:20] <Lam_> |jordan|: you'd be setting convience for  your user
[12:20] <|jordan|> ah ha
[12:20] <|jordan|> ok thank
[12:20] <Lam_> |jordan|: no problem
[12:20] <smaggard> lol
[12:21] <|jordan|> wells download is getting close to completion
[12:21] <FJ_Sanchez> I have a problem with my PC, I just have installed Kubuntu 6.10 and after the bootsplash it hangs up
[12:21] <FJ_Sanchez> It's a AMD 64
[12:21] <smaggard> r u using suse right now?
[12:21] <|jordan|> is the installer easy to use like a gui or is it command line?
[12:21] <smaggard> yeah its gui
[12:21] <|jordan|> yeah im on SuSe now
[12:21] <Lam_> |jordan|: gui
[12:21] <fdoving> soulrider: it's all about inode numbers. if you make a hard-link, you actually link to the inode number, then you can delete the first (original) file, and the data is still there, because the inode is linked to the new ('ln original new')  file.
[12:21] <|jordan|> it have custom partitioning?
[12:21] <smaggard> completely easy! actually its a live cd
[12:21] <smaggard> yeah
[12:21] <Lam_> how do you pronounce suse?  su-say, or sus?
[12:22] <soulrider> Lam_:
[12:22] <|jordan|> suisse
[12:22] <smaggard> you will boot the cd and have a kde desktop you can actua itlly use kubuntu without installing
[12:22] <soulrider> koo boon too
[12:22] <|jordan|> swee sss
[12:22] <Lam_> soulrider: lol yeah. it was for my own knowledge
[12:22] <FJ_Sanchez> I can boot in safe mode and I get prompt, but Ic cannot read something usesful in the logs
[12:22] <|jordan|> ah its a live cd
[12:22] <|jordan|> so im guessing it will be like
[12:22] <FJ_Sanchez> I saw an agpgart error but nothing more
[12:22] <|jordan|> knoppix-installer
[12:22] <|jordan|> in a command line
[12:22] <smaggard> on the desktop theres an icon you click to start the installer
[12:22] <Lam_> |jordan|: yeah. they're all live cds unless you want to do a minimialistic installation with the server alternative install disc
[12:22] <fdoving> gnite.
[12:23] <FJ_Sanchez> LiveCD also hangs up
[12:23] <smaggard> check the  md5 sums ?
[12:23] <|jordan|> oh yeah...
[12:23] <|jordan|> how do you do that?
[12:24] <smaggard> md5sum
[12:24] <|jordan|> theres no md5 files..
[12:24] <john_> anyone solved sound p[roblems with an ASUS A8N-SLI motherboard?
[12:25] <smaggard> you do md5sum whateverfileis.iso and it will read out the md5 and you compare it with wat the site says its supposed to be.
[12:25] <rag> hi *
[12:25] <rag> carpe diem!
[12:26] <rag> please do you connect a videoproyector?
[12:26] <rag> somebody?
[12:26] <smaggard> yes i have a projector :D
[12:26] <rag> with kubuntu :) 6.06
[12:26] <rag> dapper
[12:26] <smaggard> you have to add lines to you xorg.conf
[12:26] <rag> smaggard: please say me
[12:27] <smaggard> say you?
[12:27] <rag> smaggard: my problem is, a black column on videoproyector image appear me
[12:27] <smaggard> hmm
[12:27] <smaggard> a black column?
[12:27] <rag> smaggard: a black column, little column on right, yeah
[12:27] <john_> anyone know how to get sound working on an ASUS A8N-SLI?
[12:28] <rag> John_: laptop?
[12:28] <rag> john_: run lspci and put me what sound card do you have
[12:28] <john_> no its my pcs motherboard
[12:29] <smaggard> yeah ive used those boards before
[12:29] <rag> john_: ok run lspci equal
[12:29] <john_> rag: ok i'll do that] 
[12:29] <rag> smaggard: please help me on videoproyector
[12:29] <smaggard> ummm have you looked on the internet for issues regarding the a8n?
[12:30] <smaggard> g2g eat bbiab :D
[12:32] <john_> rag: lspci doesnt explicitly tell me what my soundcard is called, but in windows it says its a realtek AC97
[12:33] <Neil3> hey folks anyone else having issues installing the nvidia driver, specifically running the script after install to configure xorg.conf
[12:33] <rag> john_: realtek ac97 ok , you have to go to www.alsa-project.org
[12:34] <john_> thanks, i'll try that out
[12:34] <rag> luis_lopez: hombre luis qte trae por aqui
[12:34] <rag> luis_lopez: how are you friend!
[12:35] <rag> John_: or ubuntuforums.org search alsa sound , you have a lot information for it
[12:35] <rag> please somebody use a videoprojector with kubuntu?
[12:35] <rag> it working for me but it appear a little black column on right
[12:36] <luis_lopez> hi, rag
[12:37] <soulrider> is there any way i can change the title on an open window ?
[12:37] <rag> luis_lopez: whats you need?
[12:37] <soulrider> i need to change the title on a konsole window
[12:38] <rag> soulrider: do you see on kmenuedit?
[12:38] <soulrider> huh ?
[12:38] <soulrider> i want to change the title on an open window
[12:38] <soulrider> like
[12:39] <soulrider> i wanna chnage the title on this same konversation widnow im typyng in
[12:40] <rag> soulrider: /usr/share/applications/kde/konsole.desktop :)
[12:40] <soulrider> i dont think you get me
[12:40] <rag> soulrider: /usr/share/applications/kde/konversation.desktop :X
[12:41] <soulrider> i wanna change the text next to the minimoze and close button
[12:41] <soulrider> can i do that fromt he kmenuy ?
[12:41] <Lam_> anyone else use emacs and have crazy small font ?
[12:42] <rag> soulrider: alternative text of minimice button and close button on each window?
[12:42] <rag> soulrider: you search on language translation
[12:43] <soulrider> no no no
[12:43] <soulrider> i want to change the text NEXT to those buttons
[12:43] <rag> soulrider: before you ask for title window
[12:43] <soulrider> the window title
[12:44] <rag> soulrider: i dont understand you for "the text NEXT"
[12:44] <soulrider> hold on
[12:44] <soulrider> ill take a screenshot
[12:44] <snerge> When I start winecfg for the first time (in a fresh kde session) I can configure it then I close it and try to run it again I get this error : http://pastebin.com/818735 (Kubuntu Edgy Eft 6.10, Nvidia 8776 ) Anyone have an idea ?
[12:44] <rag> soulrider: ok
[12:47] <rag> soulrider: please if you want i help you, please write with rag
[12:52] <purpleposeidon> Woa! People are leaving....
[12:54] <markelhas> if i use lspci
[12:54] <markelhas> got lot of info
[12:54] <[cf] nightrid3r> nice split :)
[12:56] <markelhas> kubuntus, help me one more time plz
[12:56] <gigg423> Lemme try this again
[12:56] <gigg423> trying to get wireless going on my Dell laptop
[12:57] <gigg423> It is the broadcomm card that ubuntu does not like
[12:57] <visik7> markelhas: explain
[12:58] <gigg423> OK If I go to system settings> network settings I cannot enable the wireless card
[12:58] <markelhas> visik7: missing power management from system settings
[12:59] <gigg423> My wireless network device stays disabled
[12:59] <visik7> mmm dunno
[12:59] <markelhas> visik7: also missing status of battery from systray
[12:59] <duane_> how do you install lame on edgy?
[12:59] <duane_> !lame
[12:59] <ubotu> lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-2 (edgy), package size 260 kB, installed size 696 kB
[12:59] <markelhas> visik7: can u help me?
[12:59] <duane_> i cant find it
[12:59] <duane_> i've tried to sudo apt-get lame
[12:59] <duane_> doesnt work
[12:59] <duane_> adept cant find it either
[01:00] <visik7> !universe
[01:00] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:01] <Lam_> konqueror or firefox?
[01:01] <markelhas> cntb: hei are u there?
[01:02] <visik7> Lam_: do you also have an intelligent question ?
[01:02] <markelhas> there are always the first time for everything
[01:02] <gigg423> can anyone offer any guidance with my wireless issue?
[01:03] <visik7> gigg423: do you have to enable wireless with some fn+other_button ?
[01:03] <Lam_> visik7: ok.  i want to make konqueror stop asking me whenever i enter a password as to whether or not i want to save that password. i want to find some means to set it so that it will never ask me a password save for any site. how do i go about doing that?
[01:03] <visik7> Lam_: better
[01:03] <markelhas> thks any way. ce u
[01:04] <visik7> Lam_: disable kwallet
[01:04] <Lam_> visik7: is there a way around that? i want to use kwallet for kopete for security reasons.  my kwallet is set to expire after 1 minute to prevent access to it
[01:04] <gigg423> I do not think so visik7
[01:04] <visik7> gigg423: in windows
[01:04] <cntb> yep markelhas
[01:05] <gigg423> I think I have to use some wrapper and the windows driver
[01:05] <gigg423> but I am getting lost in the newsgroups as to how to do that
[01:05] <visik7> gigg423: there is a broadcomm native driver but you get more success with ndiswrapper
[01:05] <Lam_> gigg423: depends on the chipset for your wireless.  if you have a broadcom card with 4318+ you most likely will have to use a wrapper
[01:05] <markelhas> cntb: can u try to help me out, with power managent tool?
[01:06] <gigg423> OK But to use the ndiswrapper I have to blacklist the broadcomm driver right?
[01:06] <snerge> When I start winecfg for the first time (in a fresh kde session) I can configure it, then I close it and when I try to run it again I get this error : http://pastebin.com/818735 (Kubuntu Edgy Eft 6.10, Nvidia 8776, Wine 0.9.24, xorg 7.1.1 ) Anyone have an idea ?
[01:06] <gigg423> I got wrapped around the axle on the broadcomm thing earlier
[01:06] <donvito> how to install .deb packages from terminal?
[01:07] <gigg423> Err blacklisting I mean
[01:07] <rag> donvito: dpkg -i package.deb
[01:07] <visik7> donvito:sudo dpkg -i  package.deb
[01:07] <inteliwasp> would ubuntu handle bugs in the repositories?
[01:08] <donvito> thx mates
[01:09] <gigg423> damn I cannot even find the commands now I used to ID the stupid card GRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
[01:09] <Lam_> general question for polling reasons:  does anyone use konqueror in list mode as opposed to icon mode?
[01:10] <Lam_> gigg423: lspci | grep Broadcom
[01:10] <visik7> grep -i better
[01:13] <gigg423> thanks, I am using the broadcomm BCM 4306, can I use a native linux driver, or should I use the ndiswrapper?
[01:13] <TehUni> anyone ever played with mdadm for raid?
[01:15] <markelhas> guys
[01:15] <poningru> girls
[01:15] <gigg423> OK I think I have it now!! One stupid question though, I am running from the live CD, if I configure wireless now, then install will I have to do this dance again?
[01:15] <markelhas> tips for missing power management plz
[01:17] <delight> is this a common error that @ right clicking in konqueror the first time i get either an Information Pop-Up saying Couldn't connect DCOP signal. Won't receive any status notifications! or the konqueror crashes.
[01:17] <TehUni> install or reconfigure powernowd ?
[01:17] <delight> after that all runs fine
[01:18] <ferent> hi everybody!
[01:19] <ferent> do you know where Lontact save the RSS folder?
[01:19] <ferent> contact*
[01:19] <ferent> anybody?
[01:20] <dennister> hello everyone
[01:20] <ferent> hi dennister
[01:20] <dennister> what's up?
[01:22] <blahh> Hi! i am making a fresh installation of edgy elf on my amd64.. i succesfully created my raid0 partition.. and made a /boot B ext3 in sda(sda1), so everything went well and installation continued, until setup had to install the bootloader, then i specify grub to be install there ( /dev/sda )... error msg received: excecuting grub install (/dev/sda) failed.. this is a fatal error... any 1 can help me there
[01:23] <dennister> not me i'm afraid...i've junked my 64-bit attempts
[01:23] <blahh> i dont think it as something to do with 64 or 32
[01:24] <dennister> no, but i'm a noob nevertheless
[01:24] <dennister> 3 mths old
[01:25] <markelhas> tips for missing power management plz, anyone!?
[01:25] <dennister> i'm surprised i haven't seen the more experienced pps piping up yet
[01:26] <blahh> well
[01:26] <blahh> i have been trying all day without getting help
[01:26] <blahh> is there any buntu help page
[01:26] <blahh> or somewhere i can get some support
[01:26] <dennister> that's surprising...i've gotten so much help from this channel
[01:26] <dennister> oh yes, there's tons of support...ubuntu.com
[01:27] <blahh> nothing helpfull was find in the wiki
[01:27] <dennister> wiki's, tons of google hits from ubuntu folks...
[01:27] <markelhas> me too but this time it's getting dificult
[01:27] <blahh> ive been searching for the entire day
[01:27] <markelhas> to get some help
[01:27] <dennister> !wiki
[01:27] <ubotu> wiki is http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Loads of user-contributed documentation
[01:28] <dennister> !forum
[01:28] <ubotu> The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[01:28] <blahh> i read on ubuntu page that there is support for 3 years
[01:28] <dennister> !help
[01:28] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl  -  Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:28] <blahh> imagine i cant get some even couple of weeks after the release
[01:28] <dennister> yes, but i 'support' means different things to different people
[01:28] <markelhas> dennister: do u now how to repair missing power management tool from system settings?
[01:29] <dennister> blahh: that's very unusual...is this the first time u've come to this channel?
[01:29] <dennister> markelhas: no, sorry
[01:29] <dennister> hold on u 2
[01:29] <markelhas> dennister: ok thnks
[01:29] <dennister> fdoving
[01:30] <dennister> i'm calling some of the more experienced pps showing online
[01:30] <dennister> coreymon77:
[01:30] <coreymon77> what?
[01:31] <dennister> there's a coupla pps who really need some help in here
[01:31] <coreymon77> well ill do what i can
[01:31] <dennister> do u have some time? the more exp. pps all sem to be away
[01:31] <coreymon77> but im not necessarily the most advanced person here
[01:31] <coreymon77> i dont have hmwk today
[01:31] <coreymon77> so im good
[01:31] <dennister> blahh: coreymon is available
[01:32] <dennister> lol
[01:32] <blahh> dennister ill forget getting on buntu system
[01:32] <Steven_M> hi all
[01:32] <coreymon77> what do you people need
[01:32] <dennister> markelhas: some help is available
[01:32] <blahh> ive been asking on ubuntu kubuntu ubuntu-fr kubuntu-fr without nothing
[01:32] <delight> !aac
[01:32] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:32] <coreymon77> i cant promise ill be able to help, but ill do my best
[01:32] <blahh> Hi! i am making a fresh installation of edgy elf on my amd64.. i succesfully created my raid0 partition.. and made a /boot B ext3 in sda(sda1), so everything went well and installation continued, until setup had to install the bootloader, then i specify grub to be install there ( /dev/sda )... error msg received: excecuting grub install (/dev/sda) failed.. this is a fatal error... any 1 can help me there
[01:32] <blahh> here
[01:33] <dennister> blahh: , markelhas; any time u want help on a feature just type in !<the word> and the bot will point u to places
[01:33] <markelhas> dennister: where!?
[01:33] <coreymon77> i dont know anything about amd64 computers, sorry
[01:33] <blahh> i dont think it as something to do with 64 pc
[01:34] <markelhas> !acpi
[01:34] <ubotu> acpi: displays information on ACPI devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.09-1 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 amd64)
[01:34] <blahh> its more a raid vs grub thing
[01:34] <dennister> it's a grub prob coreymon77 that blahh has
[01:34] <markelhas> !system settins
[01:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about system settins - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:34] <markelhas> !system settings
[01:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about system settings - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:34] <blahh> !grub
[01:34] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:35] <Steven_M> What's the minimum version of kde you need for the new version of kopete and the kopete icq fix?
[01:35] <dennister> markelhas: go to K-menu, Control Center
[01:35] <dennister> or Settings from the K-menu...lots of sections
[01:35] <coreymon77> okay, well, is sda your mbr drive?
[01:36] <markelhas> dennister: my power management tool gone
[01:36] <donvito> how to configure grub
[01:36] <blahh> not the whole hd i created a swap and a boot outside the raid
[01:36] <donvito> to wait more than 10 seconds?
[01:36] <dennister> use synaptic in system to reinstall it
[01:36] <donvito> about os chosing
[01:36] <markelhas> dennister: and my icon of battery status also
[01:36] <regeya> I don't suppose anyone has had problems launching mozilla apps from k menu/kicker, have ya?
[01:36] <regeya> and if not, anyone suggest a way of getting a log of what's happenin' in kicker?
[01:36] <dennister> donvito: grub usually installs itself at end of hdd installation
[01:37] <donvito> yes but the wait time betwein chosing os is 10 seconds
[01:37] <dennister> it finds all the OS's on all your local drives...even windoze on a separate drive
[01:37] <donvito> that is small time
[01:37] <coreymon77> sorry, if i sometimes take a little while answering
[01:37] <Sanne> donvito: this should help (second item): https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:37] <coreymon77> my network card is dead
[01:37] <coreymon77> so im barely online
[01:37] <markelhas> !acpi
[01:37] <donvito> thx
[01:37] <ubotu> acpi: displays information on ACPI devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.09-1 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 amd64)
[01:38] <wildchild> if I share somezhing that is buld from more than just one word than I have to put in path letters: "  ? so it should be like path = /media/sda6/"filmi za tadeja"  ?
[01:38] <dennister> ah...Sanne can help too
[01:38] <Sanne> dennister: :)
[01:38] <Steven_M> What does everyone think of Edgy, is it worth upgrading to?
[01:38] <regeya> Steven_M: imho, if you need a stable desktop, not just yet
[01:38] <coreymon77> Steven_M: do it
[01:38] <dennister> i love my new edgy...ONLY distro version that could get my common tuner to work...i think
[01:39] <coreymon77> why
[01:39] <coreymon77> edgys stable
[01:39] <regeya> b.s.
[01:39] <dennister> lots of people have tried to warn me off edgy...but with it i could even download ivtv drivers from repos...do u have any idea how hard ivtv drivers are?
[01:39] <regeya> Steven_M: make sure to check the kubuntu website if you decide to upgrade.  there are instructions on how to make sure your system is usable after the dist-upgrade
[01:40] <dennister> it depends what you need it for, re edgy
[01:41] <dennister> but then again, i'm a 3-mth-old noob :)
[01:41] <dennister> hi sean
[01:41] <sean> dennister: hello
[01:42] <Steven_M> Do you need Edegy for the new version of kopete and the kopete icq fix?
[01:43] <dennister> fdoving
[01:43] <dennister> Sanne: r u an edgy user?
[01:44] <Sanne> dennister: no, I'm still on Dapper
[01:44] <dennister> Riddell: do u have some time?
[01:44] <dennister> even hawkwind's still on dapper on i386, and he's probably one of the biggest linux eggheads in here
[01:45] <blahh> well well well
[01:45] <dennister> LeeJunFan: r u busy?
[01:45] <dennister> LeeJunFan: knows his stuff too
[01:46] <Sanne> dennister: people have different reasons, doesn't necessarily mean bad things for Edgy.
[01:46] <blahh> thats why i didnt want to try linux again... raid and grub installation... i think they should make it easyer i mean geez raid is a big reality these day
[01:46] <dennister> no...i'd definitely agree with u
[01:46] <markelhas> any expert in power management tool?
[01:47] <dennister> markelhas: did u try reinstalling it?
[01:47] <Sanne> dennister: I'm just too lazy and too work loaded right now, otherwise I would have upgraded.
[01:47] <skreet> if i want Gnome and KDE on my computer can i safely apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop?
[01:47] <dennister> omg...Seveas himself is in here today
[01:48] <blahh> dennister is he good enough to help me
[01:48] <dennister> skreet: yes
[01:48] <markelhas> dennister: i've user adept
[01:48] <dennister> ok...u can get the power management thru adept, too
[01:48] <markelhas> dennister: ask for reinstall acpi and other, but nothing seams to work
[01:48] <markelhas> dennister: how?
[01:49] <markelhas> dennister: can u tell me?
[01:49] <dennister> markelhas: what do the messages say?
[01:49] <markelhas> dennister: if i go to a console and use acpi
[01:49] <markelhas> dennister: i got the right info
[01:49] <markelhas> dennister: Battery 1: charging, 87%, 01:15:16 until charged
[01:50] <dennister> ah...ok, that means u have it installed
[01:50] <markelhas> dennister: for example, but don't i've the icon and in system settings missing power management
[01:50] <manuela> i have upgradet to dapper and want to install flashplayer
[01:50] <markelhas> dennister: yestardey there was a little icon telling me the info about cpu and bat
[01:50] <dennister> hmmm...is it debhelper that shows invisible apps not in menus?
[01:51] <manuela> what is the apt-get install <word> for firefox + flashplayer on dapper 606?
[01:52] <donvito> apt-get instal firefox
[01:52] <donvito> :)
[01:52] <manuela> ok and for flash ?
[01:52] <TehUni> mozilla-firefox
[01:52] <TehUni> manuela: then install flash manually
[01:52] <TehUni> then overwrite the .so with flash9
[01:52] <manuela> strange
[01:53] <TehUni> 'ts how i do it, anyway
[01:53] <blahh> Hi! i am making a fresh installation of edgy elf on my amd64.. i succesfully created my raid0 partition.. and made a /boot B ext3 in sda(sda1), so everything went well and installation continued, until setup had to install the bootloader, then i specify grub to be install there ( /dev/sda )... error msg received: excecuting grub install (/dev/sda) failed.. this is a fatal error... any 1 can help me there
[01:53] <dennister> markelhas: my new installation is crashing when i try to access system settings
[01:53] <dennister> !debhelper
[01:53] <ubotu> debhelper: helper programs for debian/rules. In component main, is optional. Version 5.0.37.3ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 495 kB, installed size 1248 kB
[01:53] <markelhas> dennister: hummmm
[01:54] <dennister> in dapper, there's a way to access hidden -not-showing menus...it's in appearance/look-and-feel i believe
[01:54] <bobbyd> hi
[01:55] <bobbyd> what's the best way to test out xgl/ compiz on kubuntu dapper?
[01:55] <dennister> then getting the debian menu section into your k-menu shows you *everything* on ur system
[01:55] <markelhas> dennister: i don't understand this....
[01:55] <markelhas> dennister: simple gone, pufffff
[01:55] <bobbyd> I have the official packages, just don't know where to go from here to test :)
[01:56] <dennister> k...i'll try to make it simpler
[01:56] <dennister> abattoir: help!
[01:57] <dennister> there's lots of pps in here who need some assistance and i can only do so much i'm afraid
[01:57] <dennister> abattoir's very good :)
[01:57] <dennister> if he's not in a rush...
[01:58] <dennister> jucato :)
[01:58] <Jucato> hi :)
[01:58] <dennister> he's good too pps
[01:58] <dennister> jucato can u help some pple in here?
[01:59] <hazard> how would I go about setting up a kubuntu machine for x2x?
[01:59] <dennister> markelhas has been very patient, but his access to power management is gone
[01:59] <dennister> yet it is installed in his system
[01:59] <Jucato> er... that's one part I know nothing about... (power manager...)
[01:59] <dennister> it's an icon prob actually
[01:59] <dennister> it's working in cli
[02:00] <dennister> he just can't manage it from gui
[02:00] <dennister> can u help him restore some of his icons and stuff?
[02:00] <hazard> My GUI power manager is usually broken too
[02:00] <hazard> (but that may be because I broke it)
[02:01] <dennister> heheheh
[02:01] <Jucato> dennister: I don't really know. I haven't seen mine at all :P
[02:01] <hazard> not that I care, in its maimed state I managed to put together some scripts to do what I want well enough
[02:01] <dennister> ok...let's me do some quick searches...brb
[02:02] <markelhas> hazard: and in system settings got the power management tool?
[02:02] <hazard> Probably.
[02:02] <blahh> just need to burn the desktopcd
[02:02] <markelhas> hazard: can u check it plz?
[02:02] <nagyv> hello! I would like to have a script that halts my system after an hour or so. (I like to fell asleep on music.:)) I tried to use KCron, but did not succeed. Could someone help me?
[02:02] <hazard> I've got power and laptops or something like that
[02:03] <hazard> what do you need it to do?
[02:03] <hazard> put the display to sleep or something?
[02:03] <markelhas> hazard: nopes just looking for it cause yestarday it was right there
[02:03] <Ranma2264> How can I disable hal in kde? because the checkbox is grey
[02:04] <hazard> markelhas: that's...something that seems like it would happen to me.
[02:04] <markelhas> hazard: and also a incon status about cpu speed and bat also
[02:04] <markelhas> hazard: can't manage to fix it
[02:05] <hazard> an icon in the control panel thing?
[02:05] <markelhas> hazard: i've googling, asking for help, but simple can't resolve it. starting to get me crazy
[02:05] <markelhas> hazard: missing
[02:06] <soulrider> can snyone here help me making a script to run a program ?
[02:06] <markelhas> hazard: any ideia!?
[02:06] <soulrider> i wanna make  a scripto to run a java application
[02:06] <hazard> I'm checking something
[02:06] <markelhas> hazard: oki sorry
[02:06] <hazard> what's the java program?
[02:07] <soulrider> one i made
[02:07] <soulrider> here shte thing
[02:07] <soulrider> i have the script
[02:07] <soulrider> and 2 folders with the  class files
[02:07] <nagyv> soulrider: do you know already the command you would type after the prompt?
[02:07] <soulrider> yes
[02:07] <soulrider> java and then lcoation of the classes
[02:07] <soulrider> but
[02:07] <soulrider> heres the thing
[02:07] <soulrider> let me explain from scratch
[02:07] <soulrider> the class files are ina  folder called interface
[02:07] <hazard> type more than a few words on a line please
[02:08] <hazard> still looking markel
[02:08] <wildchild> does kubuntu have any package that shows on the desktop processor use, ram use ?
[02:08] <markelhas> hazard: okidoki
[02:08] <soulrider> if i wanna run my program y need to CD tot he location with the interface directory and do "java interface/Test"
[02:08] <hazard> wildchild: in terminal: top
[02:08] <soulrider> u want the script to automatically CD tot he working directory and then do "java interface/Test"
[02:08] <wildchild> I know for top
[02:08] <hazard> ok solrider
[02:09] <wildchild> I would like to see it on desktop
[02:09] <soulrider> what i doint know id how to cd tot he working directory
[02:09] <hazard> wildchild: there's a package in adept, search for system utils or something (I think it begins with a g but I could be wrong)
[02:09] <markelhas> wildchild: try this one GKrellM
[02:10] <hazard> ok soulrider (again): in a bash file: cd {path_to_the_folder} && java interface/Test
[02:10] <hazard> then do chmod +x on the bash file
[02:10] <hunst> :O
[02:11] <soulrider> i know
[02:11] <soulrider> but i want it to be run on any folder
[02:11] <soulrider> i mean
[02:11] <hazard> then you can run it like any other CLI program (or create a program icon in the menu using the 'edit menu' right click menu)
[02:11] <hazard> any folder menaing what?
[02:11] <soulrider> the interface folder containing the class files could be anywhere, not a fixed location
[02:11] <hazard> oh...
[02:11] <soulrider> sorry, i sucka te xplaining
[02:12] <hazard> then the only way I'd know how to set it up, is to have it search the most likely places first and then as a default search everywhere for them, then make a conf file somewhere so it remembers where the class files last were
[02:12] <hazard> it wouldn't be a very complex script, and if you can program in java I'm sure you can figure it out
[02:12] <dennister> lol..when i'm really trying hard to find it i can't...
[02:13] <soulrider> so there sno way to cd inside the script tot he place where the script is at ?
[02:13] <hazard> (find . 2>/dev/null | cut -b 2- would give you the paths to all the files to look for, be warned though that space handling needs to come from somewhere else)
[02:13] <hazard> umm...yes...
[02:13] <hazard> there's a way to do that too.
[02:13] <dennister> !debian-menu
[02:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about debian-menu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:14] <khirr> how can i add Terminal on any folder that i want
[02:14] <soulrider> thast waht i need
[02:14] <hazard> ah...
[02:14] <hazard> umm...
[02:15] <hazard> make a pash script, but "echo $0" in it and tell me what it says.
[02:15] <Jucato> khirr: right-click on the K Menu and select Edit Menu
[02:15] <hazard> pash=bash
[02:15] <hazard> soulrider, or don't tell me because I'm fairly certian I know what it does.
[02:15] <Jucato> bash scripts in Edgy need to start with #!/bin/bash
[02:15] <hazard> why?
[02:15] <hazard> does it actually care?
[02:16] <dennister> oops...i was about to do an infobash request here in the channel
[02:16] <khirr> thanks
[02:16] <Jucato> hazard: I think it does. Edgy now uses DASH instead of BASH
[02:16] <soulrider> i get /bin/sh: Can't open ./test
[02:16] <hazard> what's the D standfor?
[02:17] <dennister> jucato: u have edgy?
[02:17] <hazard> ummm...
[02:17] <Jucato> so either you start the script with #!/bin/bash or run the script with "bash script.sh"
[02:17] <Jucato> DASH = Debian Almquist SHell
[02:17] <Jucato> dennister: yes
[02:17] <hazard> soulrider, try running it in bash
[02:17] <soulrider> how do i dot hat?
[02:17] <hazard> and you may have forgotten to mark test +X
[02:17] <dennister> i came in here with some questions about my new edgy install...want to make sure i get the right kernel and stuff
[02:17] <hazard> +x
[02:17] <soulrider> replace sh with bash ?
[02:17] <soulrider> i chmoded it already
[02:17] <hazard> ok, how are you running it?
[02:17] <soulrider> oh wait
[02:17] <soulrider> typ0
[02:17] <hazard> just ./test?
[02:18] <soulrider> i gett he same error anyways
[02:18] <dennister> i started out with ubuntu-server on i386, then added the kubuntu desktop
[02:18] <hazard> run the command 'bash' then try again
[02:18] <soulrider> ok, i did bash in console and then ./test
[02:18] <dennister> uname is 2.6.17-10-server
[02:18] <hazard> did that work?
[02:19] <soulrider> nope
[02:19] <dennister> hi inteliwasp
[02:19] <dennister> i'm not sure which kernel to get at this point
[02:19] <inteliwasp> hi
[02:19] <Jucato> dennister: for the desktop? linux-kernel-generic
[02:20] <dennister> really? on edgy?
[02:20] <dennister> version #?
[02:20] <inteliwasp> how do i make non-printing chariters show in kate?
[02:20] <hazard> soulrider, oh wait, there's realpath
[02:20] <markelhas> ppl little help here it power management
[02:21] <soulrider> ?
[02:21] <hazard> yea, realpath should do it
[02:21] <soulrider> what do i do ?
[02:21] <dennister> markelhas: that's not the right question for u
[02:21] <dennister> u want to ask about missing menu items
[02:21] <markelhas> dennister: :P yaps
[02:21] <dennister> more ppl would be able to help u then
[02:21] <markelhas> dennister: right
[02:22] <hazard> if you enter 'realpath' in your terminal what does it do?
[02:22] <Jucato> dennister: there's no version # for the -generic kernel. it's just linux-kernel-generic
[02:22] <bobbyd> hi
[02:22] <dennister> k..thx
[02:22] <soulrider> command not found
[02:22] <hazard> grr...
[02:22] <Jymmm> I just burned Edgy, when I boot off off of it, just drops me to a shell.
[02:22] <Buddha443556> Hi, will Firefox 2 be backported to Dapper?
[02:23] <hazard> just a sec, I'm trying to find the package
[02:23] <hazard> and surprisingly its called 'realpath'
[02:23] <dennister> by Sanne
[02:23] <dennister> too late
[02:23] <hazard> soulrider do "sudo apt-get install realpath"
[02:23] <hazard> that'll install realpath
[02:24] <soulrider> the thing is
[02:24] <soulrider> im gonna give this to someone
[02:24] <soulrider> and i dont know if they got the package :P
[02:24] <hazard> then you can have (somewhere near the front of your startup script): PATH="`realpath $0`"
[02:24] <hazard> then FORCE them to
[02:24] <hazard> code the script to MAKE them install it or not run.
[02:24] <dennister> bbs
[02:25] <rolando> hi, anyone with beryl and ati?
[02:25] <linux_galore> Im just wondering if its possible to get a Kubuntu T-Shirt  iron on stencil
[02:25] <hazard> beyond that, searching everywhere, or searching though /proc for the bash script's PID I can't help you.
[02:25] <linux_galore> or do I juts get one mad up from a template
[02:25] <linux_galore> Im heading to LCA this year
[02:26] <linux_galore> (next year sorry) as its here in my own home town
[02:26] <soulrider> screw it, i think i wont add a script and thats it
[02:26] <hazard> meh, that works.
[02:26] <soulrider> its werird
[02:26] <soulrider> i did chmod +x tot he file
[02:26] <soulrider> adn it sais its not found
[02:26] <linux_galore> rolando: I dont think ati has setup there driver yet
[02:27] <hazard> Or, actually, realpath might be simple enough that you could simply put it with the script file and have it use $PWD/realpath (then hope that they're using the same or very similar distro)
[02:27] <linux_galore> rolando: nvidia works fine
[02:27] <hazard> you're sure that you're calling it right?
[02:27] <smaggard> calling what?
[02:27] <smaggard> :D
[02:27] <rolando> linux_galore: yeah ive read you have to use free drivers
[02:27] <soulrider> im doing ./name
[02:27] <soulrider> from the directory
[02:27] <markelhas> ppl ce u
[02:28] <hazard> sure its not ./name.sh or something silly?
[02:28] <markelhas> going to sleep
[02:28] <linux_galore> rolando: well nvidia (blobs) drivers are now setup for Xorg 7.1
[02:28] <soulrider> no
[02:28] <soulrider> in fact, im using tab completion :P
[02:28] <linux_galore> rolando: not sure about ati
[02:28] <markelhas> no power management
[02:28] <hazard> werid.
[02:28] <markelhas> :)
[02:28] <rolando> ok ok
[02:28] <adrian_> hi. u guys installing Nvidia?
[02:28] <hazard> wait, what's the exact contents of the test file?
[02:28] <markelhas> first time that i don't resolve my problems in this room
[02:29] <markelhas> this one must be difficult
[02:29] <smaggard> gnite
[02:30] <dennister> markelhas: with new distros and versions coming out it's been incredibly busy
[02:30] <dennister> and the ops in here must be totally exhausted
[02:31] <Jymmm> I just booted off of edgy and it dropped me to a shell; I'm running an older ATI AIW card. Are the older drivers not supported?
[02:31] <smaggard> they dont have time to waste on complainers
[02:31] <markelhas> dennister: sorry if it seames like that
[02:31] <smaggard> you think crying and going to bed will make everyone rush over to you? go back to microshaft
[02:32] <dennister> smaggard!
[02:32] <smaggard> lol :D
[02:32] <markelhas> dennister: i've always been help out, so thnks anyway to all
[02:32] <dennister> markelhas: has been extremely patient
[02:32] <Akuma_> anyone knows why i can boot an x86 cd but not x64? cpu = amd turion 64
[02:32] <adrian_> did u guys hear about that M$ Novell deal?
[02:32] <smaggard> but this is free software and your not paying for tech support... so wait as long as it takes.
[02:33] <smaggard> suse, novell, and M$ are all in bed with eachother
[02:33] <adrian_> yeah
[02:33] <Jucato> markelhas: you can try posting in the forums to see if someone there knows
[02:33] <markelhas> smaggard: what's your problem dude!?
[02:33] <smaggard> it makes me so effin sick.. you know all M$ is doing is stealing linux idears
[02:33] <dennister> u still don't have to be so rude smaggard
[02:33] <adrian_> im not a lawyer but the way i understand it is that now only LEGAL distro u can use is SUSE
[02:33] <linux_galore> is there a Kubuntu artwork website so I can make my own T-Shirt
[02:34] <smaggard> markelhas> my problem is you whining about not being helped out like you were just going to up and quit using linux cuz you cant get any help.
[02:34] <linux_galore> adrian_:  its FUD
[02:34] <smaggard> what?!
[02:34] <Jucato> linux_galore: art.ubuntu.com? kde-look.org? not really sure
[02:34] <dennister> !op
[02:34] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind or trappist
[02:35] <Jucato> ...
[02:35] <smaggard> dang
[02:35] <apokryphos> dennister: what's the problem?
[02:35] <Jucato> dennister: I think it's a bit too soon to call them :)
[02:35] <linux_galore> Jucato: well Im surprised I cant get a Kubuntu T-Shirt stencil at least
[02:35] <Hobbsee> dennister: what's up?
[02:35] <adrian_> oh crap its 2:30 am here. got to go to sleep. see ya guys
[02:35] <dennister> really?   how do i stop it?
[02:35] <markelhas> i'm not saying that kubuntu is bad or something like that.
[02:35] <Jucato> dennister: too late :P
[02:35] <charlie5>  hi ... i inadvertantly deleted everything in /usr/local/info ... and now have trouble when instqalling packages which use 'info' ... is it possible to re-create the /usr/local/info dir structure to fix it ?
[02:36] <Riddell> dennister: what's up?
[02:36] <Jucato> Hobbsee: someone was just being a bit... too "vocal", so to speak :)
[02:36] <Jucato> (or aggressive :P)
[02:36] <dennister> well there are a lot of pple who've been asking for help and been very patient...hardly anyone who has any exp is available
[02:36] <dennister> and now we have someone who's being very rude
[02:36] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:36] <Jucato> ah "rude" was probably a better term :P
[02:36] <Jymmm> obnoxious?
[02:37] <Jymmm> "Rude, crude, and socailly unacceptable!"  lol
[02:37] <dennister> i'm sorry, but i really like this distro...there will be tons of new users, and they don't need to be told off so soon
[02:38] <smaggard> im being rude? ugh ok this will be the first time ive been called rude in this room.. i guess im going to bed.
[02:38] <dennister> i've had so much help from so many, i don't want a bad rep to get around...this is a very good channel with tons of help
[02:38] <smaggard> i know it is
[02:38] <markelhas> smaggard: i really don't understand u
[02:38] <markelhas> i like ubuntu i don't want to leave it, just to tune it and learn
[02:38] <smaggard> but people need to realize that coming in here, asking, and not getting an immediate response MIGHT happen.
[02:39] <dennister> i think they do smaggard, but over an hour is a long time to be patient
[02:39] <markelhas> smaggard: dude i'm asking and talking for a couple of hours
[02:39] <dennister> he wasn't asking for *immediate* help
[02:39] <smaggard> how much did you pay for this support ticket to be able to complain?
[02:39] <dennister> and he's not the only one who's been paitent and left
[02:40] <markelhas> smaggard: i'm not complaining
[02:40] <smaggard> yes being patient and leaving is one thing, being patient and then giving us the sob story about how his problem must be huge becuse no one can help him is another.
[02:40] <markelhas> smaggard: just talking about how i fell
[02:40] <smaggard> if he were to simply say "sorry for getting a little whiny" i would drop the whole thing.
[02:41] <dennister> and how about u saying ur sorry?
[02:41] <NeonLightning> i'm using the live cd and my other hd's every time i try and mount them it says they arn't in mtab of fstab and that they must not be plugged in or functioning but i just had a hd with fc4 on it that was detecting and running them fine
[02:41] <smaggard> what did i say that would warrant a sorry?
[02:41] <dennister> ur the one's who's been name-calling
[02:41] <NeonLightning> iis there anything i can try
[02:41] <Jymmm> Is "ATI 3D Rage Pro" unsupported? That comes from lspci
[02:41] <smaggard> sorry for telling the truth?
[02:42] <dennister> smaggard: i thought u were goign to bed
[02:42] <markelhas> because, normally i've asked for some help and soon or later got the problem resolved, this time 5 or 6 hours and didn't resolve it. so said that maybe its hard to resolve. that's it.
[02:42] <smaggard> ok everyone, im sorry that markelhas is complaining
[02:42] <Buddha443556> i'll be happy to say sorry if it gets thing back on track
[02:42] <Buddha443556> sorry
[02:42] <smaggard> no im not going to bed, that is what markelhas said and i was implementing that into my statement
[02:42] <dennister> oh, drop it smaggard, will ya?
[02:43] <NeonLightning> oh and qtparted is showing the hd's just fine
[02:43] <markelhas> dennister: keep it cool, tomorow i'll google a little more and ask for help again and i now that i'll resolve y problem
[02:43] <smaggard> dam
[02:44] <dennister> NeonLightning: i just found out why some pps were saying qtparted isn't very good
[02:44] <smaggard> 90% of the questions have already been answered and are in forums
[02:44] <rolando> hola
[02:44] <NeonLightning> dennister: ?? sure on some systems it doesn't like doing batch operations but other then that i haven't had issues
[02:44] <dennister> it was the first time it did not give me accurate results at all
[02:44] <markelhas> smaggard: sorry if my feeling made u fell bad
[02:44] <markelhas> smaggard: ce u
[02:44] <rolando> when trying apt-get remove compiz-core i get this error:
[02:45] <rolando> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:45] <dennister> well i wasn't even doing batch ops
[02:45] <smaggard> bye have a good sleep, try again tomorrow maybe you will be 1st in line.
[02:45] <dennister> it just didn't update the drive sizes
[02:45] <NeonLightning> but my issue isn't with qtparted its with kubuntu not mounting any of my harddrives
[02:45] <Riddell> NeonLightning: qt parted is often wrong, but also media:/ in konqueror doesn't talk properly to the ubuntu HAL daemon 100% of the time
[02:45] <smaggard> check your fstab
[02:45] <markelhas> smaggard: i hope u'll be the last when u need
[02:45] <Jymmm> I just booted off of edgy and it dropped me to a shell; I'm running an older ATI AIW card. Are the older drivers not supported? Do I need to specify a driver somehow? Does anyone have any suggestions, searchign the wiki isn't turning up too much.
[02:45] <smaggard> its located in /etc/fstab :D
[02:46] <smaggard> markelhas> i dont come on here to ask questions'
[02:46] <NeonLightning> shouldn't manually mounting them override that because no matter what /dev/hd** i try and mount it says it dosen't exist
[02:46] <azriel> Jymmm try running startx by hand and see what it does
[02:46] <smaggard> go to /dev and take a peek in there
[02:47] <markelhas> smaggard: u'll need it, maybe not in linux, but u'll need it
[02:47] <azriel> Jymmm and then see what the output is in /var/log
[02:47] <smaggard> see if what you are trying to mount exists
[02:47] <smaggard> markelhas> need what?
[02:47] <Riddell> smaggard, markelhas, dennister: since none of you disagree with each other please stop this discussion toot sweet
[02:47] <donvito> its hard to configure my kubuntu in my network place with win xp and win me?
[02:47] <markelhas> smaggard: help
[02:47] <smaggard> yes  and ill ask for help nicely and not complain :D
[02:47] <markelhas> Riddell: yaps, u right
[02:48] <dennister> yes, i was trying to get it stopped awhile ago
[02:48] <dennister> i'd much rather go back to tarting up this new edgy install :)
[02:48] <smaggard> look i moved on but this dude keeps trying to put the voodoo on me ow
[02:48] <smaggard> now*
[02:48] <NeonLightning> both are in there as hdd1 and hdb1
[02:48] <Riddell> good, sorted
[02:48] <smaggard> hdd1?
[02:48] <smaggard> hmmm
[02:48] <Riddell> dennister: tar up edgy?  why?
[02:49] <dennister> sorry..*tart
[02:49] <NeonLightning> i have a few hd's :P
[02:49] <smaggard> ah i c
[02:49] <smaggard> like how many?
[02:49] <NeonLightning> 3 but only 2 are in
[02:49] <dennister> i've only got the basics this time around...still need the kernel, nvdia drivers...ivtv drivers...
[02:49] <Jymmm> azriel It's trying to load up the onboard video (which is automagically "disabled" by the bios when another PCI card is installed), works fine under knoppix and debian.
[02:49] <NeonLightning> and a dvdrom and a cdrw
[02:49] <smaggard> ide or sata?
[02:49] <NeonLightning> ide
[02:49] <smaggard> and hda is mouted right?
[02:49] <smaggard> mounted*
[02:50] <dennister> i almost(!!!) had mythtv perfect yesterday...then i stuffed it up :(
[02:50] <NeonLightning> i'm running the livecd so nothin is mounted
[02:50] <smaggard> ooo
[02:50] <smaggard> i c
[02:50] <smaggard> are you trying to install or what?
[02:50] <smaggard> or u just want to mount the drives and use the livecd?
[02:50] <NeonLightning> but i got fc4 installed just broken right now so i'm using the live cd of kubuntu to burn a cd off my other hd's
[02:51] <rolando> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:51] <rolando> how can i fix this??
[02:51] <smaggard> ouch
[02:51] <smaggard> lol
[02:51] <NeonLightning> yea
[02:51] <NeonLightning> lol second time in my life i've done that one first was like the first 3 months using linux
[02:51] <Jymmm> azriel: "Fatal Server Error: No screens found" is the exact err msf in the logs
[02:51] <NeonLightning> i also got edbuntu and ubuntu here
[02:52] <smaggard> well have you tried mount /dev/hda /mnt/hda
[02:52] <smaggard> first do sudo mkdir /mnt/hda
[02:52] <dennister> NeonLightning: and i thought i was bad...deleted mysql/my.conf and all of its backups last night
[02:52] <hazard> This is...odd...
[02:52] <hazard> it sort of works...but not quite..
[02:52] <NeonLightning> lol gj
[02:52] <smaggard> lol yeah you gotta be careful!
[02:52] <linux_galore> sheesh Kubuntu seriously needs a T-Shirt stencil template, Im finding nothing
[02:52] <dennister> hence the clean reinstall
[02:52] <smaggard> lol
[02:52] <NeonLightning> mounted just fine
[02:52] <smaggard> i just now started using ubuntu server to test it out
[02:52] <linux_galore> time to get Karbon out
[02:53] <smaggard> ok then other drive  will be /dev/hdb so make another dir of /mnt/hdb and do the same
[02:53] <smaggard> then cd to /mnt/hda and type ls and ur stuff should be there.
[02:53] <NeonLightning> i treid that but i'll try again
[02:53] <dennister> k...back to getting my desktop kernel...only got the server kernel so far...bbs
[02:53] <smaggard> did it give you an error or something?
[02:54] <NeonLightning> wierd now its saying the device is busy before it was saying it wasn't there
[02:54] <NeonLightning> but df -h is still showing the livecd's mounts and the hda i mounted
[02:55] <Jymmm> linux_galore: scroll to the bottom.... https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Official
[02:55] <NeonLightning> well that the device or dir are busy
[02:55] <Jymmm> linux_galore: or here   https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuArtwork
[02:55] <linux_galore> Jymmm: your a life saver
[02:55] <smaggard> so hda is mounted
[02:55] <NeonLightning> yes
[02:55] <smaggard> so whats the prob?
[02:55] <NeonLightning> but hdb is saying device or dir is busy
[02:56] <smaggard> hmm
[02:56] <NeonLightning> i'm trying to mount hdb1 and hdd1
[02:56] <NeonLightning> they are what have all my stuff hda is just the cd
[02:56] <smaggard> i thought you only had 2 hard drives
[02:56] <NeonLightning> i do but they are hooked up wierd at present
[02:57] <smaggard> you will have hda = drive1 and hda1 = partition 1 on hda and hda2 = partition 2 on hda
[02:57] <smaggard> then the 2nd will be hdb
[02:57] <NeonLightning> my cd's are my primary's right now and the hd's are the secondary
[02:57] <smaggard> o
[02:57] <Jymmm> NeonLightning Eeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww
[02:57] <smaggard> you mean the primary ide channel on the board is your cd drives?!
[02:57] <NeonLightning> as i said hooked up wierd at present
[02:58] <NeonLightning> no ide1 has a cd as pri and ide0 has a cd as pri
[02:58] <smaggard> put 2 hard drives on ide0 as master/slave and the cds on ide1 as master/slave
[02:58] <smaggard> then you will be a lot less confuserated
[02:58] <NeonLightning> my ribbons don't allow for that
[02:59] <smaggard> dont allow as in arent long enough?
[02:59] <NeonLightning> lenght
[02:59] <Jymmm> NeonLightning At least make the cd's slave
[02:59] <smaggard> well dang
[02:59] <smaggard> atleast slave the cds
[02:59] <Jymmm> echo echo
[02:59] <Jymmm> =)
[02:59] <smaggard> lol
[03:00] <smaggard> cant you get some longer cables or something?
[03:00] <NeonLightning> well thats the problem the one cd was pri on ide1 to start with but the second was my boot drive and the cable only makes it to my hd tray
[03:00] <NeonLightning> nope none around
[03:00] <NeonLightning> i had to give away all my parts systems because woman was complaining
[03:00] <smaggard> arent the hard drives close to eachother?
[03:00] <Jymmm> NeonLightning And what's your bullshit excuse for making the hdd's slaves instead of the cd's? glued in jumpers or what?!?!?!  lol
[03:01] <NeonLightning> yea they are 3 staked ontop of eachother just below the larger bays
[03:01] <smaggard> ok.. i dont see how you cant make those on ide0 and the cdroms on ide1
[03:01] <smaggard> if the hds are grouped together and the cd roms are together...
[03:01] <Jymmm> NeonLightning "Move the jumpers Luke!"
[03:01] <smaggard> LOL the force is with you!
[03:02] <NeonLightning> yea i guess but would that be whats causing all the troubles here?
[03:02] <smaggard> M$ always has to have its hand in everything dangit
[03:02] <NeonLightning> lol
[03:02] <smaggard> neonlighting, it goes against all typical pc setups
[03:02] <NeonLightning> yea i know
[03:02] <smaggard> lightning
[03:03] <smaggard> so when you ask for support ppl are gonna be like uhhhhh wtf?
[03:03] <Jymmm> NeonLightning Get off your lazy ass, get a damn screwdriver and a pair of tweezers, and start cussing when you can't even see the jumpers and have to move them!  Oh, and "Have a nice day!"   LOL
[03:03] <NeonLightning> lol
[03:03] <smaggard> lol
[03:03] <smaggard> <<<< agrees with Jymmm
[03:03] <Jymmm> smaggard =)
[03:03] <NeonLightning> i'll see if that works i was mostly trying to find a quick fix because i gotta get home and my computer is at my dad's house not mine(i don't got net so i leave it here)
[03:04] <smaggard> ah
[03:04] <NeonLightning> i been doing this for the same
[03:04] <smaggard> well put the hds on ide0 and cd on ide1
[03:04] <NeonLightning> since i was 5 and i'm 20
[03:04] <deviated> hi there i over come my grub problem
[03:04] <Jymmm> NeonLightning Most of the time, this IS the quick fix =)
[03:04] <NeonLightning> ahh ok
[03:04] <smaggard> deviated> good to hear!
[03:04] <deviated> now id like to c if i did install the raid0 correctly in edgy installation
[03:04] <deviated> is there any way to c the raid status or something
[03:04] <NeonLightning> then a quicker fix but i'll give in for now lol
[03:05] <Jymmm> NeonLightning Oh the QUICKER fix, buy a new computer off the shelf
[03:05] <linux_galore> ok now to organise some stencils so I have something to show off at LCA in Sydney
[03:05] <smaggard> deviated> cat /proc/mdstat
[03:05] <Jymmm> NeonLightning with AOl signup of course
[03:06] <smaggard> lol
[03:06] <NeonLightning> man i wish i'm working with a system that was broken when my dad bought it and i have fixed everything so far since i got it but now gotta get a new mobo for 80$ since its even flaking out durring yum's(its seg faulting durring just about everything)
[03:06] <smaggard> take the ram out and put it back in
[03:06] <smaggard> might help
[03:06] <smaggard> :D
[03:06] <NeonLightning> done switched out all the ram with new ram
[03:06] <linux_galore> the real reason i want a Kubuntu T-Shirt though is because my LUG is full of gnomies
[03:06] <smaggard> o! with the computer off of course
[03:06] <NeonLightning> ramtested for 6 hours
[03:07] <smaggard> hmm
[03:07] <NeonLightning> that was my first thought but memtest didn't find notin wrong
[03:07] <smaggard> and ur board didnt fail?
[03:07] <NeonLightning> nope
[03:07] <deviated> http://pastebin.com/818779 is that good news?
[03:07] <smaggard> then why is it the board giving you prolems?
[03:08] <NeonLightning> its mostly durring writing to harddrive cache but i've tried it with 5 diff hd's
[03:08] <linux_galore> actually Ive had cases were the caps on the motherboard has leaks and would produce random stalls an crashes
[03:08] <smaggard> looks good
[03:08] <linux_galore> memtest would run fine
[03:08] <bxnp> anybody good with pam security
[03:08] <deviated> wooohooo
[03:08] <smaggard> i mean deviated> looks good
[03:08] <deviated> im not that bad then
[03:09] <smaggard> lol u got it goin!
[03:09] <linux_galore> put the machine in a cool room and shut it down then wait an hour then reboot it
[03:09] <NeonLightning> it runs like hell before it warms up
[03:09] <linux_galore> cool room = big fridge
[03:09] <smaggard> linux_galore> what caps?
[03:10] <linux_galore> smaggard: the IO filter caps on the motherboard
[03:10] <deviated> well ill go and explore my new buntu world thx guys
[03:10] <NeonLightning> man my systems have been weird after weird my old p2 ran better in my room when i had my heater on and had my room so hot my friends couldn't breath(altho that thing ran great no matter what)
[03:10] <smaggard> deviated> np enjy that raid0
[03:10] <smaggard> IO filter.. hmm
[03:11] <NeonLightning> bbiab probly if not congradualtions on making a lazy man do things the right way lol
[03:11] <smaggard> lol
[03:11] <linux_galore> smaggard: only way to test them without a $500k pin mount tester is to put the motherboard in a fridge then boot it up, if it works then hit it with a hair dryer and see if it crashes, dont connect the board to a hardisk just use a live cd
[03:11] <donvito> what actually wine is?
[03:11] <linux_galore> donvito: windows api emulator
[03:12] <donvito> what can i do with wine?
[03:12] <donvito> install windows aplications in linux?
[03:12] <linux_galore> donvito: run windows applications in linux
[03:12] <donvito> its hard to configure them?
[03:12] <campbch> no
[03:12] <linux_galore> donvito: without installing windows
[03:12] <donvito> or i need to install them just like windows
[03:12] <campbch> lots 'just work'(tm)
[03:12] <campbch> except for disk changes
[03:13] <campbch> !wine
[03:13] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:13] <donvito> than that is kool
[03:13] <linux_galore> donvito: you need to install the apps with wine or you can use something like crossover office
[03:14] <smaggard> xover is better :D
[03:14] <linux_galore> smaggard: ram failure is actually pretty rare I found psu/motherboard/connector  failure more common
[03:14] <smaggard> but not fre
[03:15] <smaggard> free*
[03:15] <cpk1> donvito: what windows app do you need to install?
[03:15] <smaggard> ive had lots of ram to fail
[03:15] <linux_galore> Ive seen people throw out perfectly working ram when all that was wrong was the socket were the ram was installed was dirty
[03:15] <smaggard> but also crappy psu is common
[03:15] <smaggard> linux_galore> lol ive seen it first hand as well
[03:16] <smaggard> in 3 years of business ive only come across 3 cpus that just "failed" because of no power surge or anything.
[03:16] <smaggard> i would say 95% of the time, the cpu isnt to blame
[03:16] <smaggard> heck... 99% lol
[03:16] <linux_galore> they pull the ram out insert a new stick, ooh look its now working, must be bad ram, no idiot when you removed the sick you flushed the dirt out
[03:17] <dennister> !kernel
[03:17] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[03:17] <linux_galore> I havent had a cpu failure in ages
[03:17] <smaggard> they do make them well :D
[03:17] <linux_galore> s/sick/stick/
[03:18] <linux_galore> motherboard are what i find fail allot these days
[03:18] <smaggard> yes, mobos and psus are so cheap these days
[03:18] <linux_galore> PSU failures happen but depend on how crappy it is
[03:18] <smaggard> ppl buy a pc chips board for $39 and wonder why its lasts 3 months
[03:19] <smaggard> or doa
[03:19] <linux_galore> smaggard: yeah they pay $400 for a Video card and $40 for a motherboard
[03:19] <smaggard> lol
[03:19] <linux_galore> then wonder why the IO is crap
[03:20] <campbch> has anyone here installed call of duty?
[03:20] <smaggard> ive seen $800 cpus placed in those $49 pc chips boards im like OMFG
[03:20] <smaggard> and have you noticed how mislead the public is on video cards? the more MB the better hands down... thats what they think anyway..
[03:21] <smaggard> they dont know about pipelines or anything
[03:21] <smaggard> what interface it uses or anything.
[03:21] <linux_galore> smaggard: lol, the new quad core intel cpu's are 775, so you can now imagine some fool putting a $1k cpu in a $50 motherboard
[03:23] <smaggard> lol
[03:23] <smaggard> im sure itll happen.
[03:23] <smaggard> they blow all their money in one place
[03:23] <smaggard> its like buying a corvetter engine and only having enough money left for a bug chassis
[03:24] <smaggard> corvette**
[03:24] <linux_galore> smaggard: best one Ive seen was an idiot who had a Dual core Xeon with a decent motherboard and it kept crashing, opened the box and it has a 240watt psu lol
[03:24] <smaggard> LOL!!!!!!!!!
[03:24] <smaggard> *drops head and laughs*
[03:25] <smaggard> ive seen manufacturers like DELL do the same thing!
[03:25] <smaggard> hahahahaa
[03:25] <linux_galore> sold him a 550 watt PSU and it woked fine and I charged him the usual $100 idiot tax
[03:25] <smaggard> lol of course.. how can u stay in business unless you charge the idiot fee
[03:26] <linux_galore> the friggin CPU "alone" consunes 200-300watts
[03:26] <smaggard> really? wow didnt know that.
[03:26] <smaggard> prob had a dvd drive, dvd burner, 2 hard drives, and 4 usb headers lol
[03:27] <linux_galore> yeah the dual core xeons are gass guzzlers, ever wonder why Del swapped to Opterons
[03:27] <smaggard> haha
[03:27] <smaggard> you just gotta bite the bullet and get a good psu.. they are only like $45
[03:27] <smaggard> prob even cheaper.
[03:27] <smaggard> but the $19 ones.. just dont even bother
[03:28] <linux_galore> well you can get a generic 550watt psu for around US$100
[03:28] <linux_galore> that wont blow up
[03:28] <smaggard> haha not blowing up is good
[03:28] <dennister> I'm confused on the server-desktop connection in relation to the kernels available for edgy
[03:28] <linux_galore> well you just pick the things up, if they feel lite you know they are rubbish
[03:29] <smaggard> lol
[03:29] <campbch> :'( i would build a pc, if i had money.
[03:29] <smaggard> i built a system for a graphics designer here that had a thermaltake 750W
[03:30] <dennister> what i have now are lin-img-2.6.17-10-server and lin-img-server
[03:30] <linux_galore> I had a Del server in and the thing has two sockets for a Xeom P4 and the guy wanted to fit some more ram and a CPU to his workstation, one minor problem, for some goofy reason dell has a slimline 180w PSU
[03:30] <dennister> i installed the kubuntu-desktop metapackage, and now need the desktop kernel...I think
[03:30] <dragonfly7_> Is there a way to underclock my graphics card? It overheats and crashes the system doing things as simple as playing movies full screen. Can I make it run slower so that it doesn't do this?
[03:30] <smaggard> linux_galore> DUDE i run into that ALL  the time!! what is their deal!?
[03:31] <dennister> am i right? first of all? i still need the desktop kernel image?
[03:31] <smaggard> ack my batt is gettig low
[03:31] <linux_galore> smaggard: gateway do the same stupid thing too, you have to fit another psu with the extra cpu
[03:32] <smaggard> maybe they are trying to impress the EPA LOL
[03:32] <smaggard> see look our computers use 150W power supplies :D
[03:32] <linux_galore> smaggard: I have a feeling you have hit it on the nose
[03:32] <linux_galore> smaggard: that and it makes the machine cheaper
[03:33] <smaggard> yeah they prob had all these lying around collecting dust from 6 years ao
[03:33] <smaggard> ago*
[03:33] <linux_galore> smaggard: but doing that with a "workstation" is just plain stupid
[03:33] <campbch> has anyone here gotten call of duty to work?
[03:33] <dragonfly7_> Aparently not. OK. Maybe I will just disable it.
[03:33] <dennister> i see a man cares about his spelling :)
[03:34] <smaggard> lol
[03:34] <dennister> <---is slipping with hers again
[03:34] <smaggard> does anyone mind if i get naked on cam?
[03:34] <linux_galore> aaah good o'l in-line spell checking
[03:34] <smaggard> lol
[03:34] <smaggard> that was a joke btw
[03:34] <dennister> best be careful now that i'm on irc and amsn again after many years of absence...it might affect my publishing work
[03:35] <dragonfly7_> I can't get spell check to work in Kopete without opening the stupid wizard.
[03:35] <smaggard> ah
[03:35] <smaggard> im using gaim for msn... does amsn support cam/audio yet?
[03:35] <linux_galore> dragonfly7_: konversation work in irc and has spell check
[03:35] <linux_galore> works*
[03:35] <smaggard> actually gaim is being used for all my im accounts
[03:35] <dragonfly7_> Yeah, but I don't like launching a seperate app for IRC.
[03:35] <dennister> it might...i haven't looked for it, but i should, cause my son has one and i'm trying to convince him to ditch windoze too
[03:36] <linux_galore> dragonfly7_: just use gaim then, it does everything
[03:36] <smaggard> i really want to find a good yahoo client that supports voice, but so far no go. the only thing keeping 1 doze install in the house is cam/voice functionality
[03:36] <dennister> he was concerned he wouldn't be able to chat with his friends on msn without windoze
[03:36] <linux_galore> dragonfly7_: the new UI is very simple
[03:36] <dragonfly7_> I was using gaim, till it started crashing randomly every ten(ish) minutes. I couldn't figure out why so I switched.
[03:36] <dennister> that's why i got it actually
[03:36] <linux_galore> smaggard: Gyach-enhanced
[03:36] <linux_galore> smacnay: it does voice
[03:37] <linux_galore> on yahoo
[03:37] <smaggard> linux_galore ive tried that, but i can only hear... the output is like weird
[03:37] <smaggard> but i know my mic works i can use audacity with it
[03:37] <smaggard> i had gyach and gyachi
[03:37] <dragonfly7_> And now that I switched, I like the UI more, except the lack of spell check in the text window.
[03:37] <dennister> linux_galore: u seem to know what ur doing to a high degree...would you be able to clear up my confusion on kernels? pls?
[03:38] <linux_galore> Smack you need to run gyach with artsdsp -m  /usr/bin/gyach
[03:38] <smaggard> aight lemme try
[03:38] <linux_galore> smaggard: fixes that
[03:38] <dragonfly7_> nah, linux is just guessing.
[03:38] <dragonfly7_> :)
[03:38] <smaggard> lol dragon
[03:38] <dennister> heheheh
[03:39] <linux_galore> dennister: what kernel are you looking at
[03:39] <dennister> <--used to be a heahunter...IT specialist...can usually spot good techeads
[03:39] <linux_galore> dennister: and what for
[03:39] <smaggard> says artsdps works only for libraries
[03:39] <dennister> what i have now are lin-img-2.6.17-10-server and lin-img-server   edgy i386
[03:40] <linux_galore> smaggard: hmm I use that same trick with skype to stop mic delay
[03:40] <dennister> then i installed the kubuntu-desktop metapackage...am i right that i still need a desktop image?
[03:40] <smaggard> i have skype but dont know anyone who uses it lol
[03:40] <campbch> where is sources.list located? i cant remember
[03:40] <linux_galore> dennister: the server kernel is for smp machines and has a few extra hacks for things like apache
[03:40] <smaggard> its /etc/apt/
[03:41] <campbch> alright, thanks
[03:41] <smaggard> yup
[03:41] <dennister> yes, and this is intended to be a non-dedicated mythbox...so hence the server
[03:41] <smaggard> next time you can type locate sources.list too :D
[03:41] <smaggard> or locate anyotherfile hehe
[03:41] <linux_galore> dennister: you dont need a server kernel for myth, in fact I would be going for the i686 one
[03:42] <matthew_> anyone else get errors when starting kate from konsole?
[03:42] <smaggard> nope mine works
[03:42] <dennister> well that's what i've got...been following this howto https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Edgy_Backend_Frontend_Desktop
[03:42] <linux_galore> dennister: why have the larger more resource hungry kernel when you dont have raid 5 or apache going
[03:42] <matthew_> mine works too, just gives me a couple screens full of text first
[03:43] <dennister> i will have apache going...a whole lamp server is required for myth
[03:43] <smaggard> linux_galore> i found what your talking about in a forum and it works for them too.. hmmm thats weird it wont work for me :(
[03:43] <linux_galore> dennister: aaah
[03:43] <dragonfly7_> Whoa! I actually used bash for something useful!
[03:43] <linux_galore> dennister: your not a cli junky
[03:43] <dragonfly7_> Sorry, go on...
[03:44] <dennister> don't worry...i'll be getting to that point soon enuf, i'm sure :)
[03:44] <dennister> <---3-mth old linux noob
[03:44] <linux_galore> smaggard: make sure you have the correct path to the gyach binary, gyach sometimes installs in /usr/local/bin/
[03:45] <smaggard> aight
[03:45] <dennister> back to my question...do i still need a desktop kernel image, and if so, which one?
[03:45] <smaggard> ok it loaded that time :D
[03:45] <smaggard> anyone in a yahoo room that can hear sound and want to tell me if my mic works?
[03:46] <linux_galore> dennister: yeah what I do with Ubuntu is remove the old kernel and install the one, when you install the server kernel it will still use the old kernel by default unless you remove it
[03:46] <linux_galore> s/the one/the new one/
[03:47] <linux_galore> dennister: install the new one first though or the package manager does a dummy spit
[03:47] <dennister> oh dear...i'm used to simply leaving the old one...i was told to do that and the newer one will be at the top in grub, used by default
[03:48] <linux_galore> dennister: nope
[03:48] <smaggard> lol you gotta love the yahoo conversations
[03:48] <linux_galore> smaggard: yeah Voice on yahoo is like a low IQ detector
[03:48] <smaggard> lol
[03:48] <dennister> but which one? there's linux-image 386, linux-image generic, , linux-image-2.6.17-10-386...
[03:49] <slop|kara> how do i change a user's permissions so that they can only access files within their home directory?
[03:49] <linux_galore> smaggard: I cant spell so when I talk like an idiot people with think Im not so stupid
[03:49] <smaggard> lol
[03:50] <dennister> no...the lin-img-2.6.17-10-386 is geared towards desktop systems
[03:50] <linux_galore> smaggard: and yahoo still uses the tsp.dll codec that over 15 years old, it sound like rubbish
[03:50] <smaggard> lol
[03:50] <smaggard> yeah
[03:50] <smaggard> hmm it sounds a little broken up or something
[03:51] <dennister> so that leaves linux-image-386 and linux-image-generic
[03:51] <smaggard> but pretty good for linux and free :D
[03:51] <linux_galore> smaggard: so you have these morons with there $8 mics and $10 audio cards with there $29 motherboards talking on Yahoo with its 15 year old audio codec, yep thats going to work
[03:51] <smaggard> lol
[03:51] <smaggard> hahahahaaa
[03:51] <deviated> hi! i might have a little questing for my nvidia card i installed nvidia-glx since it seemed to be prety recent... but what about the nforce chipset... should i install it or ubuntu automaticly installed them since sound and network seems to work well.. i remember having to install them on my window box thats why i m woundering
[03:52] <linux_galore> Im off
[03:52] <linux_galore> work to do
[03:52] <dennister> thx linux_galore
[03:52] <deviated> any1 knows about this?
[03:53] <dennister> well, here goes nuthin...(fingers crossed)
[03:53] <Sheazsche> im having an issue with speedstepping in both ubuntu and kubuntu. Occasionally for NO apparaent reason  on my dual core pentium M it will alternate between maximum clocked speed and minimum clock between the two processors. This goes on forevver and really heats my sytem up. i cannot figure out what brings this on
[03:54] <linux_galore> dennister: you should have tried knopmyth
[03:54] <smaggard> hmm they say i pop up as talking but they dont hear anything
[03:54] <dragonfly7_> Does anyone know the xorg option to allow monitor rotation if I am using now graphics driver? (ie: nv)
[03:54] <smaggard> the sound from the mic comes through the speakers here
[03:54] <dennister> knoppmyth wouldn't install
[03:54] <linux_galore> dennister: ubuntu is noce but its the long way around
[03:54] <linux_galore> nice*
[03:55] <dennister> i've now tried so many distros it's not even funny
[03:55] <dennister> ubuntu is the one that works best on my system
[03:55] <smaggard> same here
[03:55] <smaggard> lol
[03:55] <dennister> i even got my tuner working yesterday with edgy
[03:56] <dennister> and lots of very experienced linux ppl have told me those ivtv drivers are the hardest thing they've ever had to do
[03:58] <linux_galore> smaggard: just remembered soemthing about gyach, disable duplex in the sound server section in kcontrol
[03:58] <smaggard> hmmmm i think im confused on the mixer controls
[03:58] <smaggard> ah mmk h/o
[03:58] <linux_galore> smaggard: and make the time out about 1-2 seconds
[03:59] <smaggard> it was already disabled.. but ppl still cant hear me
[03:59] <linux_galore> tsp doesnt do duplex so when you transmit is stuffs up
[03:59] <linux_galore> it*\
[04:00] <smaggard> you mean the auto-suspend setting?
[04:00] <dennister> k, the kernel's almost done...will have to reboot...later ppl
[04:00] <linux_galore> smaggard: yeah
[04:00] <smaggard> mmk
[04:00] <smaggard> wow it was 60
[04:00] <linux_galore> smaggard: also artsd has a delay problem making it fail thats why you have to use the artdsp -m trick
[04:01] <linux_galore> smaggard: works with skype too, geat method of getting rid of echo on skype in linux because you swap to real time
[04:02] <Soldier1991> Hello.
[04:02] <smaggard> hmm ill try talking again
[04:02] <Soldier1991> I have a problem with my ATI Radeon 9250.
[04:02] <campbch> that's descriptive
[04:03] <Soldier1991> Everytime I'm about to start the X/GUI, I get an error and it send me back to the ubuntu command line.
[04:03] <linux_galore> !ati
[04:03] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:03] <Soldier1991> Or Ubuntu Konsole.
[04:03] <campbch> is it smoking? do you see flames? :D
[04:03] <Soldier1991> Lol no?
[04:03] <smaggard> whoah now everything is echoing
[04:03] <Soldier1991> Can someone please help me.
[04:03] <Soldier1991> ?
[04:03] <smaggard> lol
[04:05] <Soldier1991> ?
[04:05] <cpk1> !ati | Soldier1991
[04:05] <ubotu> Soldier1991: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:06] <Soldier1991> But it said I havea  9700 or higher, which I don't.
[04:06] <Soldier1991> Or is that a example?
[04:06] <smaggard> whoah! sounds like a robot
[04:06] <smaggard> but i am closer to getting sound tho i do gotta say.. i actually hear myself
[04:07] <cpk1> Soldier1991: so if you keep reading it says to install the open source ati driver if the above isnt true
[04:07] <bxnp> hi new kubuntu user overhere
[04:07] <bxnp> why cant i install mplayer on kubuntu
[04:08] <cpk1> !info mplayer
[04:08] <ubotu> mplayer: The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 (edgy), package size 3461 kB, installed size 8624 kB
[04:09] <smaggard> hey i think i got it working :D
[04:09] <NightWolf_Wicca> I was trying to update Amarok, and adept updater broke the amarok-xine package. anyone know how i can fix this?
[04:09] <cpk1> bxnp: you know how to enable other repos?
[04:10] <bxnp> well i have to add it in this file /etc/apt/source.list right cpk1
[04:10] <bxnp> but cpk1 i dont know in wich repo the mplayer is
[04:10] <cpk1> bxnp: yes, but if you are more comfortable using adept you can enable it using adept, mplayer is in multiverse
[04:11] <Jucato> !multiverse
[04:11] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:11] <smaggard> brb
[04:13] <Keaton> I've got trouble with Samba sharing. When I try to go into the settings for it, either by right-clicking a folder I want to share or going through the System Settings, all the options under sharing are greyed out and the text is cut off so I can't see what it says.
[04:13] <NightWolf_Wicca> I was trying to update Amarok, and adept updater corrupted the amarok-xine package. anyone know how i can fix this?
[04:15] <Soldier1991> My graphics card isn't on the list.
[04:15] <Soldier1991> My graphics card isn't on the list of opensource.
[04:15] <Soldier1991> sdsa
[04:15] <Soldier1991> oops.
[04:15] <Soldier1991> I see,Radeon 9200PRO/9200/9200SE, M9+
[04:15] <campbch> how do i mount a cdrom drive to cdrom?
[04:16] <Soldier1991> But I'm not sure if those would be with my 9250.
[04:16] <campbch> nightwolf, try uninstalling that package and reinstalling it?
[04:18] <bxnp> thanks cpk1
[04:18] <bxnp> it worked
[04:18] <bxnp> btw do you allso now something about pim
[04:18] <Steven_M> kopete doesn't show up in the upgradeable package section of aptitude. Here's my sources.list (http://pastebin.com/818804) What should I add to be able to upgrade to the new kopete?
[04:19] <NightWolf_Wicca> how? when i request removal or purge of amarok-xine, it requests removal of kubuntu-desktop and amarok too
[04:20] <bxnp> cpk1, i meant pam
[04:21] <smaggard> hmm i can hear ppl just find but i pissed them all off apparently when i left and it started sending a bunch of garbage
[04:21] <smaggard> lol
[04:22] <smaggard> anyone use skype?
[04:24] <smaggard> they say im stepping!
[04:25] <smaggard> im dont even have my mic hooked up
[04:27] <m4jqp> when i reboot my computer it doesnt show text ... but if i boot into console mode and type startx i can see text ... how do i make it so that when i reboot it's the same as typin gstartx ?
[04:27] <campbch> ok, i finally got call of duty to install all the way, and in the end it gives me some nonspecific BS I/O error, what should i do? i'm running wine latest version, and COD is a game that is supposed to work smoothly
[04:28] <bxnp> anybody good with pam
[04:29] <smaggard> nope not me
[04:30] <zblach> hey
[04:31] <zblach> quick question. i'm running kubuntu 6.10 on my laptop, and i'm trying to get my embedded camera working
[04:31] <zblach> now, i know exactly what model it is, but i can't find support anywhere.
[04:31] <zblach> any ideas?
[04:32] <[cf] nightrid3r> zblach: dmesg will tell if the kernel supports it
[04:33] <zblach> [cf] nightrid3r: dmesg tells me lots of things
[04:36] <hollywoodb> zblach: lspci should give you the chip it uses... that and the forums or google should get you started
[04:36] <[cf] nightrid3r> zb http://www.exploits.org/v4l/
[04:37] <zblach> hollywoodb: lspci lists it as 'unknown device 0832', but i've discovered it to be a Ricoh RY5U870-V*001
[04:37] <[cf] nightrid3r> zblach: dmesg | grep Ricoh
[04:38] <hollywoodb> zblach: read this: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-uvc-devel@lists.berlios.de/msg00158.html
[04:39] <hollywoodb> "
[04:39] <hollywoodb> That gPhoto was able to detect your device as a USB digital camera. This probably means that Ricoh, in their infinite wisdom, decided that a still image capture interface was the way to go for a webcam device, and wrote a Windows driver to emulate a video device from something that looks like a digital camera to the computer."
[04:44] <smaggard> grrrrrrrrr
[04:46] <zblach> hollywoodb: thanks
[04:46] <zblach> this is almost perfect
[04:46] <zblach> exactly what i'm looking for, but wrong make. i've an HP laptop
[04:46] <zblach> and a ricoh RY5U870
[04:46] <zblach> :D
[04:47] <hollywoodb> zblach: yeah, I'm not sure if the "Y" in the name makes any difference, or if the "Y" is just the version they put in Sony laptops ;)  HP does that with printers, you can by a 840Cxi at walmart and an 840Cx at newegg, and they're the exact same printer less one letter
[04:50] <zblach> hollywoodb: huh. i know intel make T2400 and T2400e chips, but they're completely different. i was assuming the same case
[04:51] <zblach> lol. now that i look closer, i see that one of the links has already been visited by me
[04:58] <Soldier1991> Okay, I installed Kubuntu, but I cannot start the x.
[04:59] <Soldier1991> It gives me a fatal error.
[04:59] <Soldier1991> Right when it's about to start, back to the full screen console, saying fatal error.
[04:59] <Soldier1991> Any ideas?
[05:00] <rodrigo> excuse me......im having a problem when im going to update my operate system. Where can I get information about my source list?
[05:02] <Soldier1991> Hello?
[05:02] <Station> hi
[05:03] <Soldier1991> Do you know about radeon issues and how I cannot start the x?
[05:03] <Station> no i don't.  I'm having graphics problems myself with Nvidia.
[05:03] <Soldier1991> Oh.
[05:03] <Soldier1991> Okay.
[05:04] <Station> I have ubuntu Edgy 6.10 installed and I have the nvidia driver installed for my GeForce 7900GTO graphics card.  I am viewing on an HDTV with a native resolution of 1320x720.  Can anyone help me display Ubuntu in that native resolution.  By default I do not see any widescreen resolution options, and by my best efforts I have only gotten 1280x768 to work.
[05:04] <Station> ?
[05:04] <Station> 1320x768 is the native resolution, not 1320x720, oops.
[05:14] <purpleposeidon> Can anyone tell be about configuring SANE?
[05:14] <bLaZeD> roob@WeEdBuNtU:~/Desktop/LWPro4126$ limewire
[05:14] <bLaZeD> runLime.sh: 44: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "}")
[05:14] <bLaZeD> anyone know what that is all about
[05:20] <orkid__> try to get a ModeLine for that resolution ... or try to simply insert it into xorg.conf where the other resolutions are listed.
[05:25] <dennister> hello again
[05:26] <dennister> have my new kernel and nvidia driver :) a bit smoother this second time around
[05:28] <dennister> timeout problem letalis?
[05:31] <letalis> no i was trying to get rid of xgl
[05:31] <letalis> lol
[05:32] <letalis> i dont know why anyone uses it to be honest, most 3d apps dont work while its in use.
[05:33] <letalis> i bet the join part messages are annoying, i apologize
[05:34] <letalis> its fixed now, lol
[05:40] <dennister> sorry letalis, since no one was talking i fiished my ivtv driver installation
[05:41] <dennister> i don't think my nic was used so konversation didn't flash
[05:42] <dennister> letalis: ? did it flash for u?
[05:43] <dennister> guess not...time for the blasted lirc stuff <grrr>
[05:44] <inteliwasp> i am trying to install a program but when i run ./configure, it gives me this error: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[05:45] <dennister> hi inteliwasp :) ...i have a similar prob
[05:46] <dennister> or did this morning b4 i did a clean install...everyone gave up on fixing my issue, including me
[05:46] <dennister> u on edgy?
[05:47] <dennister> k...i was wondering it was a prob/bug with edgy
[05:48] <dennister> any other error clues?
[05:49] <inteliwasp> not sure, but the program i am trying to install is for kde
[05:49] <smaggard> does an upgrade to edgy remoeve apps and programs you already have installed?
[05:49] <dennister> not sure smaggard; i did a clean install
[05:49] <smaggard> ah mmk
[05:49] <smaggard> im wondering if edgy maybe will help gaych work better
[05:50] <smaggard> gyach*
[05:50] <inteliwasp> smaggard, i dtongly sugest to do a clean install if you want edgy
[05:50] <dennister> well it certainly helped ivtv drivers...went like clockwork again
[05:50] <smaggard> dang
[05:50] <inteliwasp> *stongly i mean
[05:50] <smaggard> strongly?
[05:50] <smaggard> lol
[05:50] <dennister> the speller...
[05:50] <smaggard> hmm i guess i dont have that much on here that i need to save..
[05:51] <inteliwasp> i cant spell worth a darn...  :P
[05:51] <smaggard> just mainly i cant remember exactly how i setup the wireless drivers, i had to find a wifi driver that worked and iunno where i put it lol
[05:51] <dennister> smaggard's very meticulous with fixing his typos
[05:51] <inteliwasp> what is your wireless card?
[05:51] <smaggard> cuz i have to make sure ppl understand :D
[05:51] <dennister> smaggard: apparently wifi does not work well with edgy
[05:52] <dennister> i came across a bug report about wireless
[05:52] <smaggard> i use ndiswrapper and the driver for hp zv6000 laptop
[05:52] <smaggard> o really?
[05:52] <smaggard> hmm
[05:52] <inteliwasp> with edgy, a lot of things changed under the skin
[05:52] <dennister> yes...while i was searching for something else...i didn't take a close look at the date tho, as i'm not using wireless on this pc
[05:52] <smaggard> what happened to notebookanalysis.com?!!!
[05:53] <dennister> better check it out to see if they fixed it in this latest stable release
[05:53] <inteliwasp> i couldn't use my old drivers when i tried edgy but ndiswrapper worked nice
[05:55] <smaggard> hmm
[05:55] <dennister> what the heck does "backported from debian upstream." mean...or backport, for that matter?
[05:55] <smaggard> well now im a bit lost because there were forums for my exact model but now they are gone.
[05:55] <letalis> dennister: yeah it flashed
[05:55] <letalis> lol
[05:55] <smaggard> first is was zv6000forums.com and then notebookanalysis.com and now nothing
[05:55] <dennister> heheheh...little more busy now too
[05:56] <inteliwasp> !backport
[05:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about backport - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:56] <inteliwasp> !backports
[05:56] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[05:56] <letalis> the plusses to attempting to setup xgl? the settings i added into my X config make X flat out fly.
[05:56] <letalis> lol
[05:57] <dennister> i just installed mine
[05:57] <dennister> ty inteliwasp...and "upstream"?
[05:58] <dennister> !upstream
[05:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about upstream - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:58] <inteliwasp> beats me
[05:58] <inteliwasp> use kubuntu wiki
[05:58] <dennister> i'm trying to install this lirc properly this time, according to Mario's lirc page
[05:59] <dennister> and he says the packages in edgy for my remote are broken...to use his, which are 'backported...'
[05:59] <inteliwasp> i forgot what i need to do to get my ntfs partitions to mount...
[06:00] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  add an entry to the fstab.
[06:00] <dennister> fstab inteliwasp, and ntfsprogs?
[06:00] <Dr_willis> - /dev/hda1 /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0
[06:00] <dennister> hi Dr_willis :)
[06:00] <inteliwasp> dennister, you need to uncomment the backports in adept
[06:00] <Dr_willis> howdy
[06:01] <dennister> they are uncommented, i'm just trying to figure out which part of his howto applies to his package
[06:01] <Th3_Cr0up13R>  hey guys i have this little problem i dont understand, dvd player plays the dvd that i backup but it wouldnt  mount the cd at all if its a dvd movie
[06:01] <Th3_Cr0up13R> [04:57]  <Th3_Cr0up13R> any ideas what could be wrong
[06:01] <dennister> some of these edgy howtos really need some work in terms of documentation...others are flawless
[06:02] <dennister> Th3_Cr0up13R: u need libdvdcss2
[06:02] <Th3_Cr0up13R> dennister:  i got that already
[06:03] <dennister> and w32codecs...ok, have u got your video drivers installed if nvdia or ati?
[06:03] <Th3_Cr0up13R> every lib that is for dvd i got it
[06:03] <Th3_Cr0up13R> i even got the development files
[06:04] <dennister> did u get them all from adept or synaptic?
[06:04] <Th3_Cr0up13R> adept
[06:04] <dennister> libdvdcss2 won't be in adept
[06:04] <Th3_Cr0up13R> well it is on mine
[06:04] <Th3_Cr0up13R> i can see it right now
[06:05] <dennister> ok, i stand corrected...
[06:05] <dennister> since the plf repository closed down...it's been much more difficult to get them
[06:05] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis, i got the lines in fstab, but only root can mount...
[06:05] <Th3_Cr0up13R> what is the difference between adept and synaptic
[06:06] <Th3_Cr0up13R> they should hold the same packages dont they?
[06:06] <dennister> synaptic is for gnome, adept for kde
[06:06] <dennister> yes...it's a matter of preference mostly
[06:06] <inteliwasp> dennister, er... libdvdcss2 is in adept...
[06:06] <dennister> they and apt all depend on the one sources.list file
[06:07] <dennister> ok...perhaps u have some repositories i don't
[06:07] <Th3_Cr0up13R> yeah i had an update problem with that i changed it manually ages ago
[06:07] <Th3_Cr0up13R> now though the dvd is not fully working and the printer doesnt exist at all
[06:07] <Th3_Cr0up13R> for some reason
[06:08] <farid> Please advise how to update KDE to 3.5.5
[06:08] <dennister> hmm...do u have the ogl video drivers?
[06:09] <dennister> and which printer is it?
[06:09] <dennister> of course i probably won't be able to help u much anyway, as i am a noob
[06:09] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  with the right umask options,, root can mount. (auto mount) and the users can read the mounted partition.
[06:10] <dennister> <--knows her limitations
[06:10] <Th3_Cr0up13R> canon 15000
[06:10] <dennister> k...i did write a howto for another distro for a problematic brother mfc
[06:11] <max_> K3B wont recogine a wma or mp3 when burning... it says it is an unsuported format....is there somthing im doing wrong?
[06:11] <dennister> Dr_willis: i have my new clean install :)
[06:11] <lalo> hi everybody
[06:11] <Dr_willis> Spanking Clean! :)
[06:12] <dennister> trying to do the lirc thing properly this time...despite a rather difficult-to-undeerstand howto
[06:12] <lalo> can so tell me why konqueror ask me to save the file when i clic a url link?
[06:12] <dennister> yep...being very careful this time
[06:12] <dennister> to heck with that howto that steered me so wrong
[06:13] <max_> K3B wont recogine a wma or mp3 when burning... it says it is an unsuported format....is there somthing im doing wrong?
[06:13] <Dr_willis> max_,  for mp3 - the Kubuntu FAQ tells what pacnge you need to isntall..
[06:13] <Dr_willis> for wma - 'friends dont let friends use wma' :) no clue there.
[06:14] <blackv1> OK I"m trying to get a wi-fi connection working on a 64 bit compaq presario with a Dell broadcom 1470 wlan. I blacklisted bcm43xx and install bcmwl5.inf with ndiswrapper. Now I can pull a list of available wi-fi connections nearby with Wireless Assistant but am unable to connect?
[06:14] <max_> its mainly mp3s
[06:14] <lalo> no one knows?
[06:14] <dennister> there is a xmms-wma package available in the same places as w32codecs and libdvdcss2
[06:15] <dennister> and u need mplayer...it gives support for wma
[06:15] <dennister> i did get those formats going awhile back...now i've converted all the w4a and wma to mp3
[06:16] <dennister> does that help u max_?
[06:16] <max_> i have mplayer
[06:16] <dennister> k...what about xmms?
[06:16] <max_> have it
[06:17] <dennister> an alternate route if u want to convert them is ffmpeg or pacpl...i did get pacpl working, but it's not easy to configure
[06:17] <max_> i can convert them
[06:17] <max_> im trying to burn them
[06:17] <dennister> that's often ur best bet...ac3 codecs r also important for movies and music
[06:17] <smaggard> burn what
[06:18] <dennister> music files smaggard
[06:18] <smaggard> neat
[06:18] <smaggard> i use k3b :D :D
[06:20] <smaggard> gnite
[06:32] <xsacha> how come when i close my browser, it copies a website url into my clipboard?
[06:32] <xsacha> konqeuror this is
[06:32] <__GARY> help, i just installed win4lin now i cant log in to my kubuntu desktop
[06:36] <dennister> __GARY: do u have a text-based ability?
[06:36] <dennister> or r you on livecd mode?
[06:36] <dennister> sorry, u must be on livecd
[06:37] <__GARY> no just the graphical, when i try to do a console login it just goes black
[06:37] <dennister> oh dear...what is win4lin?
[06:37] <__GARY> i'm on live cd right no, because i can't access my hd install
[06:38] <__GARY> it's an emulator that allows you to run windows under linux
[06:38] <dennister> ahhh, and windoze doesn't like these emulators
[06:39] <dennister> don't get me wrong: i probably can't help you as i'm a noob, but i can at least offer u some sympathy
[06:39] <__GARY> the install went (seemingly) perfect, the after doing a few other things i decided to reboot, and couldn't get in
[06:40] <__GARY> that's cool man sympathy helps!
[06:40] <dennister> i think a lot of the more experienced linux users in here are tired from a lot of support work over he last few days....after releases
[06:41] <__GARY> yeah, I'll bet I've been running edgy since knot 2 I've had very few problems
[06:41] <dennister> i know i was up for 24+ hours yesterday...had such a serious problem with a new clean install of edgy i've started the install again
[06:42] <dennister> i love it...i've tried so many other distros, but nothing could get my common tuner to work, and now edgy has the ivtv drivers in the repos...goes like clockwork
[06:43] <dennister> wb Mythbusters
[06:43] <dennister> r u a mythtv user?
[06:43] <__GARY> the thing i ran into was it set up the wrong dns servers and i couldn't connect with firefox
[06:44] <dennister> i haven't even tried to install firefox yet...i want my myth working first
[06:44] <dennister> then i'll worry about configuring my printer, office, email, etc.
[06:44] <__GARY> priorities!
[06:44] <__GARY> :)
[06:45] <dennister> hey, get the toughest stuff out of the way first, backup, then worry about the small fry
[06:45] <__GARY> well I'll try back later for some help, good luck!
[06:45] <dennister> thx :) later
[06:53] <javier> hola
[06:55] <joe_> Is it possible to have kubuntu and fedora core 6 on the same computer
[06:56] <jon_> can someone help me upgrade gaim to the beta version?
[06:56] <jon_> can i install a deb package
[06:57] <jon_> im not sure how to do that
[06:58] <jon_> how do you dl a package from debuntu.org?
[06:58] <unix_infidel> jon_: you want 2.0?
[06:58] <jon_> yes
[06:59] <xsist> hello all.
[07:00] <unix_infidel> jon_: dapper or edgy?
[07:00] <jon_> dapper
[07:01] <unix_infidel> jon_: dapper ships with beta 3.1
[07:01] <unix_infidel> erm, esorry...
[07:02] <jon_> i upgraded with breezy
[07:02] <unix_infidel> jon_ / jon__: edgy ships with 3.1 beta.
[07:02] <jon_> ah
[07:02] <unix_infidel> you might wanna google for 3.1 backports.
[07:02] <jon_> but the beta is on dapper right?
[07:02] <jon_> i found the package on a site i just dont know how to get it
[07:02] <xsist> I have recently changed to kubuntu edgy from mandriva... everything is working ok now exept for booting... when edgy boots up it hangs detecting the SATA drives... it finds SATA 1 right off, but it sits and spins on 2,3, and 4 . after those finally time out it moves on like normal.. can anyone help?
[07:03] <unix_infidel> jon_: might be best to ask in #gaim
[07:03] <jon__> I just installed Edgy. I have a Logitech Quickcam 3000. It is a Vid4Lin compliant cam. It worked under Dapper, but I'm not getting any picture now.
[07:04] <dennister> xsist: perhaps, but probably not from me... unix_infidel?
[07:04] <jon__> Did Dapper change the Vid4Lin modules?
[07:04] <unix_infidel> dennister: ?
[07:05] <dennister> i believe so jon
[07:05] <dennister> xsist needs some help...can u?
[07:05] <xsist> please?
[07:05] <jon__> xsist, do you have an entry for each SATA drive in /etc/fstab?
[07:05] <unix_infidel> i havent done sata in linux.
[07:05] <dennister> jon__: it's a different kernel, so capture cards need different drivers
[07:05] <xsist> thats a very good question...
[07:06] <unix_infidel> xsist: please paste your dmesg ouput.
[07:06] <unix_infidel> !pastebin
[07:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:06] <xsist> i dont think i do though as i only have one drive..
[07:06] <Vague_Rant> Hey, where are the games?
[07:06] <Vague_Rant> Like, Klondike and stuff.
[07:06] <dennister> the good news is that edgy makes capture drivers MUCH easier than in dapper
[07:06] <VampyricPenguin> This is a fresh install of Edgy it worked using the default module under Dapper.
[07:07] <dennister> ahhh, well i'm not much of a helper i'm afraid...but unix_infidel seems to be quite helpful
[07:08] <VampyricPenguin> xsist, take a look at /etc/fstab and look at the partition entries for the other partitions. Does it have the right filesystem listed?
[07:08] <dennister> i mostly give moral support :) and simple tips
[07:08] <xsist> pasted...
[07:09] <xsist> fstab is good to go...
[07:09] <unix_infidel> xsist: paste the URL pastebin gave you here.
[07:09] <jon_> how long does the distro upgrade to edgy take?
[07:09] <xsist> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30509/
[07:10] <dennister> here's my question: i'm trying to rename a file, and konsole keeps telling me i have a syntax error at line 1. what gives?
[07:10] <xsist> hangs around line 240...
[07:10] <unix_infidel> xsist: so i see.
[07:11] <unix_infidel> xsist: i'd google various lines from that section and see if you get any hits.
[07:11] <xsist> ill give it a try..
[07:11] <unix_infidel> you have an ide drive in there too.
[07:11] <unix_infidel> ?
[07:11] <xsist> nope..
[07:11] <xsist> cdroms on ide...
[07:11] <dennister> unix_infidel: my turn? :)
[07:12] <dennister> wb nino
[07:13] <nino> hey dennister!!
[07:13] <momal> Does anyone here have vmware running under edgy??
[07:14] <nino> any hopes for mythtv today??
[07:14] <dennister> oh yes...and i'm being extremely careful this time :)
[07:14] <nino> starting from scratch?
[07:14] <dennister> now that i know what to expect, it'll be easier...practise makes...yep
[07:15] <dennister> i'm at lirc stage, past ivtvdriver
[07:15] <nino> im having fun with sata drives today!! :)
[07:15] <dennister> then i'm done with teh hardware, and on to database, apache, php...then mythtv itself
[07:16] <dennister> so was xsist, who was just in here
[07:16] <nino> cool man
[07:16] <nino> dint see
[07:16] <dennister> perhaps u can help me with something?
[07:16] <nino> shhot
[07:16] <nino> shooot
[07:16] <dennister> should be simple renaming, but...have a 3part filename in /home/user
[07:17] <dennister> i can't seem to rename it to a 2 part name cause i'm getting this error message: Bareword "conf" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1.
[07:18] <nino> special carecters involved??
[07:19] <dennister> don't think so...filename is lircd.conf.hauppauge...i need it to be lircd.conf
[07:19] <dennister> hold on...i just thought of something
[07:19] <nino> why not create lircd.conf and copy the contents of the other one into it??
[07:19] <dennister> download it as a 2part
[07:20] <dennister> just a sec
[07:22] <dennister> ok...that worked...could then cp it to /etc/lirc/
[07:22] <nino> great stuff
[07:22] <dennister> but i really do have to find out about 'strict subs' what it means and what to do about it...workarounds
[07:23] <dennister> i've come across it b4...was really surprised when h3sp4wn wasn't familiar with it
[07:23] <dennister> he seems so knowledgeable
[07:23] <nino> mmm it takes time to master this INCREDIBLE operating system!!
[07:24] <dennister> yes, it most definitely does...i think i'm learning pretty fast tho, if i do say so myself
[07:24] <nino> linux has allot of different steams!!
[07:24] <nino> streams
[07:25] <dennister> i don't think many can get myth working after 3 mths exp...esp if they've never taken a tech course in their lives
[07:25] <dennister> will stop bragging now :)
[07:25] <nino> i run a surveilance system with a 400gig mysql database and i could not even help you yesterday!! FUNNY
[07:26] <dennister> ahh...ur a dba?
[07:26] <nino> huh
[07:26] <dennister> database administrator
[07:27] <nino> sys admin
[07:27] <dennister> ah, k
[07:27] <dennister> that woulda been my next guess
[07:27] <nino> but like i said so many flavours in linux!!
[07:28] <dennister> so many flavors of technology...never mind just linux
[07:28] <xsist> crud... its a kernel issue...
[07:28] <nino> I got ipcop the linux hardware firewall => thats my speciality!!
[07:28] <xsist> never done a kernel patch before...
[07:28] <dennister> xsist..perhaps nino could help u...he was working with sata drives today
[07:28] <dennister> and is a sys admin
[07:29] <dennister> since unix_infidel seems to have vanished
[07:29] <nino> lol dennister!!
[07:29] <xsist> found a good deal of info on the prob.. looks like its an issue with the sata driver...
[07:29] <dennister> heheheh
[07:30] <nino> xsist u adding on to the system??
[07:30] <dennister> i'm not a helper much in this forum...mostly a hand-holder and director of pps to others
[07:30] <xsist> nope.. new build..
[07:30] <zack> hello
[07:31] <nino> is it not picking up on the sata drive??
[07:31] <dennister> ur a migrator from mandriva, right xsist?
[07:31] <xsist> yeah...
[07:31] <xsist> lol ubuntu is a little different..
[07:31] <momal> Does anyone here have vmware running under edgy??
[07:31] <dennister> is it a kernel panic from too many sata drives?
[07:32] <nino> nope momal
[07:32] <xsist> nope... only got one sata... it hangs looking for the other 3
[07:32] <xsist> mobo supports 4...
[07:32] <xsist> only have 1...
[07:32] <dennister> the other 3 are?
[07:32] <xsist> non existant...
[07:32] <xsist> only one drive..
[07:33] <dennister> oh...i stand corrected
[07:33] <nino> have u got the manufactures driver??
[07:33] <xsist> thats the prob there isnt any more to find..
[07:33] <xsist> for windowz
[07:33] <nino> jip
[07:33] <xsist> no linux drivers i can find...
[07:33] <dennister> it finds mine beautifully...
[07:33] <nino> ooi now we've got a prob
[07:34] <xsist> lol everything is good after it finishes booting...
[07:34] <dennister> of course i have an ide drive too, but i believe i started otu with just the one sata
[07:34] <dennister> out*
[07:34] <nino> in the bios!!!
[07:34] <xsist> ?
[07:34] <nino> dissable raid support
[07:35] <dennister> that's right...
[07:35] <xsist> dont think its on but ill give it a try..
[07:35] <xsist> brb
[07:35] <nino> u having fun dennister?
[07:36] <dennister> yes, i am, ty :)
[07:37] <dennister> just wanna check the dates of this new conf file i've inserted into root directory
[07:37] <sephyria> hey
[07:37] <dennister> i selpt the morning away, then woke up to find not a drop of water in the house
[07:37] <sephyria> what package is the dcopserver in?
[07:37] <sephyria> ?
[07:37] <nino> I've got to install these 3 shiny sata's but not enough coffee yet!!
[07:37] <dennister> kdebase
[07:37] <dennister> i think
[07:38] <dennister> sephyria: in a few of the metapackages as well
[07:38] <sephyria> how do i search
[07:38] <sephyria> im on command-line only
[07:38] <sephyria> metapackages?
[07:38] <sephyria> my whole kdm got shot down
[07:38] <sephyria> cuz of the dcopserver
[07:38] <dennister> hmmm...yes, metapackages like kubuntu-desktop
[07:39] <sephyria> yeha
[07:39] <sephyria> i just uninstalled that
[07:39] <sephyria> kde-base is not installed
[07:39] <dennister> k...then to reinstall it u go: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:39] <sephyria> no
[07:39] <sephyria> kdm still loads and fails
[07:39] <sephyria> so its not really uninstalled
[07:39] <sephyria> dcopserver and ICEauth
[07:40] <sephyria> but kdm is still there
[07:40] <dennister> try apt-get install -f
[07:40] <MilhousePunkRock> good morning everyone
[07:40] <dennister> that should fix all ur broken packages
[07:40] <sephyria> that doesnt work
[07:40] <dennister> gm MilhousePunkRock
[07:41] <dud1> abattoir !
[07:41] <MilhousePunkRock> it's "sudo apt-get -f install" of course
[07:41] <sephyria> i need to figure out where dcop and kdm are
[07:41] <sephyria> MilhousePunkRock : yeah i get that but kdm is still trying to load
[07:41] <dennister> sorry...ur probably right
[07:41] <dud1> abattoir: you there?
[07:41] <dennister> i'm going back to my lirc install...bbs
[07:42] <sephyria> i have maya running
[07:42] <sephyria> or working
[07:42] <MilhousePunkRock> sephyria: What's the problem?
[07:42] <sephyria> but no x
[07:42] <sephyria> umm
[07:42] <sephyria> kdm fails on load
[07:42] <sephyria> even as root
[07:42] <sephyria> with startx
[07:42] <sephyria> kubuntu 6.10
[07:42] <MilhousePunkRock> what does it say?
[07:42] <sephyria> it fails with the DCOPserver
[07:42] <sephyria> Could not read network connection list
[07:42] <sephyria> its not the permissions
[07:43] <sephyria> more than likely i spent all night looking at message boards
[07:43] <dud1> whats the command for upgrading ubuntu?
[07:44] <xsacha> !upgade | dud1
[07:44] <MilhousePunkRock> Well, I am not familiar with that... Did you try asking in #xorg sephyria?
[07:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about upgade - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:44] <xsacha> grrr
[07:44] <xsacha> !upgrade > dud1
[07:44] <abattoir> hi MilhousePunkRock, dud1
[07:44] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey abattoir!
[07:45] <abattoir> dud1: you are upgrading from dapper to edgy?
[07:45] <abattoir> !upgrade | dud1
[07:45] <sephyria> hmm no
[07:45] <ubotu> dud1: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[07:45] <MilhousePunkRock> dud1: Better make a clean install, the upgrade did more harm than good for me...
[07:45] <sephyria> do you know how to look at packages installed from command line?
[07:46] <dud1> abattoir: yes, i'm at the office
[07:46] <abattoir> dud1: make sure you have  kubuntu-desktop installed before upgrading... and make sure no packages are held back
[07:46] <xsist> ok im back..
[07:46] <xsist> nope it was diabled
[07:47] <dud1> abattoir: wait i have to install kubuntu first
[07:47] <dud1> abattoir: whats the command
[07:47] <abattoir> dud1: then you're better off installing edgy directly, as MilhousePunkRock suggested
[07:47] <xsist> gonna try the kernel patch...
[07:47] <MilhousePunkRock> dud1: In that case, install Edgy right away
[07:47] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: instead of installing dapper and upgrading to edgy
[07:47] <abattoir> oh, sorry, that was for dud1 :P
[07:47] <sephyria> kdebindings?
[07:48] <sephyria> hmm no
[07:48] <dud1> abattoir: whats the command
[07:48] <abattoir> dud1: follow the links ubotu gave you
[07:48] <abattoir> !upgrade | dud1
[07:48] <ubotu> dud1: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[07:49] <abattoir> *link
[07:50] <dud1> abattoir: im using ubuntu and i want to install kubuntu
[07:50] <abattoir> dud1: then it's 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[07:50] <dud1> abattoir: tnx
[07:51] <dud1> Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[07:52] <MilhousePunkRock> dud1: You probably need to change your sources.list
[07:52] <dud1> how?
[07:52] <dud1> sorry
[07:52] <smaggard> anyone in here got skype?!
[07:53] <dennister> dud1: in konsole: sudo nano /etc/sources.list ...it operns an editor
[07:54] <MilhousePunkRock> abattoir: What's my status on jabber?
[07:54] <dennister> opens*
[07:54] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: Offline
[07:54] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: Invisible mode?
[07:54] <dennister> you can uncomment a few of them
[07:54] <dud1> dennister: no content
[07:54] <MilhousePunkRock> dennister: This is probably an almost religious thought, but nano s
[07:54] <smaggard> does linux skype do cams too?
[07:54] <MilhousePunkRock> **ks
[07:55] <smaggard> excuse me? did you say nano sucks?
[07:55] <abattoir>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:55] <dennister> dud1: that usually happens when u've got a typo of some kind
[07:55] <MilhousePunkRock> dud1: and sudo
[07:55] <smaggard> i love nano :D
[07:55] <abattoir> smaggard: no it doesn't
[07:55] <abattoir> smaggard: only audio
[07:55] <smaggard> ah dang
[07:55] <dennister> oops..ty abattoir
[07:55] <smaggard> windows skype does cam
[07:55] <smaggard> i think
[07:55] <abattoir> smaggard: yes, but the linux client doesn't
[07:55] <dennister> that's the typo: my fault
[07:55] <smaggard> why
[07:55] <abattoir> smaggard: go ask the skype devs :P
[07:55] <MilhousePunkRock> abattoir: Online now?
[07:56] <smaggard> blah
[07:56] <dud1> ok, next step
[07:56] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: no
[07:56] <smaggard> sucky
[07:56] <smaggard> lol
[07:56] <smaggard> anyone in hurr gots the skype?
[07:56] <abattoir> smaggard: it didn't even have alsa support until recently
[07:56] <sir_> hi folks, how to increase screen resolution? samsung syncmaster 540N, currently supports 1024x768.. thanks.
[07:56] <smaggard> well thats plain gay
[07:56] <smaggard> shoulda had alsa support long time ago!!
[07:56] <smaggard> haha
[07:57] <knapp> How do I edit each individual panel? Like right now I have two panels, one on top and one on the bottom of the screen. When I right click either of them and select configure panel, it always shows the bottom panel. I want to edit the top one.
[07:57] <MilhousePunkRock> !language | smaggard
[07:57] <ubotu> smaggard: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:57] <smaggard> what did i say?!
[07:57] <smaggard> o cuz i shouted... sorry
[07:57] <abattoir> knapp: there'd be a combobox at the top of the configuration window, choose the panel there
[07:57] <dud1> abattoir: whats the next step,? sources list is open?
[07:57] <MilhousePunkRock> smaggard: Rather about using sexual orientation to describe what you do not like...
[07:57] <abattoir> dud1: mmm, what are you doing? i didn't ask you to open it
[07:57] <knapp> abattoir, thats what I thought, but I don't see one
[07:57] <smaggard> sexual orientation what?
[07:58] <smaggard> gay = different, weird, queer
[07:58] <smaggard> nothing to do with sex...
[07:58] <dud1> sorry
[07:58] <abattoir> knapp: it's available only for the 'Arrangement' Section
[07:58] <MilhousePunkRock> smaggard: I am pretty sure gay people would feel offended by that...
[07:58] <momal_> gay also used to mean happy
[07:58] <abattoir> knapp: it says 'Settings For'
[07:58] <smaggard> well if your gay then i dont really care
[07:58] <sir_> any idea about increasing screen resolution on 15" samsung 540N TFT monitor?
[07:59] <abattoir> momal_: still means ;)
[07:59] <dud1> abattoir:  Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[07:59] <knapp> abattoir I am under Arrangement and all I see at the top is "You can configure the arrangement of the panel here"
[07:59] <knapp> abattoir I'm in edgy. Fresh format and install.
[07:59] <abattoir> knapp: if you have more than one panel, i'm sure you'd see one... edgy here too, i can see it
[08:00] <xsacha> knapp: you are in kcontrol right?
[08:00] <knapp> Im accesssing it by right clicking the panel
[08:00] <knapp> at the top
[08:00] <knapp> (the one I want to edit)
[08:00] <MilhousePunkRock> sir_: Inside KDE? Do you have the proper drivers for X installed?
[08:00] <xsacha> there's a bug and you can only do individual menus thru kcontrol
[08:00] <smaggard> gay ppl can go screw themselves in the rear those buncha freakin fags stop trying to be different!  now some gay ppl may take offense to that
[08:00] <xsacha> panels*
[08:00] <abattoir> dud1: do you have main enabled?
[08:00] <ironfroggy> what repo do i need for sqlite3?
[08:00] <MilhousePunkRock> !ops
[08:00] <abattoir> smaggard: ok, please stop it
[08:00] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind or trappist
[08:00] <sir_> yes.. the driver is intel 710
[08:01] <knapp> xsacha ah yeah, I see now
[08:01] <smaggard> sorry but I get offended when people say i might offend somone
[08:01] <knapp> Thank you very much :)
[08:01] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello Hobbsee...
[08:01] <Hobbsee> enough of that rubbish
[08:01] <Hobbsee> hey MilhousePunkRock :)
[08:01] <MilhousePunkRock> Wow that was quick
[08:01] <MilhousePunkRock> Long time no talk...
[08:01] <sir_> sorry.. intel driver i810
[08:01] <Hobbsee> indeed.  yay for !ops
[08:01] <Hobbsee> yep :)
[08:02] <knapp> abattoir Did you do a fresh install of edgy? If so, I wonder why you can see it and I cannot, if it's a bug.
[08:02] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: I am starting to like Kubuntu again... Now that my laptop-specific power management problems are partly solved...
[08:02] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: yay :)
[08:02] <abattoir> knapp: bugs are rarely consistent :P
[08:02] <sir_> yes.. i'm  inside KDE.. intel i810 displays only 1024x768
[08:03] <dud1> abattoir: ?
[08:03] <abattoir> knapp: one of the first things i do is to create another panel... so definitely would've noticed it
[08:03] <abattoir> dud1: i think i asked you if you have main enabled
[08:03] <sir_> any other driver you recommend, MilhousePunkRock?
[08:03] <MilhousePunkRock> sir_: Are you in the system maintenance mode?
[08:03] <xsacha> creating a panel in kde 3.5.5, the configure panel sets options for your main panel -- you have to access it via kcontrol to get drop down list for extra menus :(
[08:03] <sir_> yes
[08:04] <MilhousePunkRock> sir_: Maybe you did not set up any modes higher than 1024?
[08:04] <sir_> how to set up more modes?
[08:04] <xsacha> sir_ you need to configure your xorg.conf
[08:04] <MilhousePunkRock> sir_: Ever messed with the xorg.conf before?
[08:04] <sir_> no.. but i can now :)
[08:04] <sir_> if you tell me how to..
[08:05] <MilhousePunkRock> sir_: Press Alt+F2
[08:05] <dud1> abattoir: what will i open
[08:05] <MilhousePunkRock> sir_: And type "kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[08:06] <abattoir> dud1: are you dude_ ?
[08:06] <dud1> abattoir: nope, friend of his, he told me to look for you
[08:06] <abattoir> dud1: if you are, i'd expect you to know if you have the main repository enabled or not by now :P
[08:06] <sir_> done MPR..
[08:06] <abattoir> dud1: aah no wonder, you should have told me that before
[08:06] <dud1> abattoir: im sorry
[08:07] <smaggard_> so basically cuz im not gay.. you guys dont care.
[08:07] <smaggard_> ugh ok i understand
[08:07] <abattoir> dud1: 'kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list'
[08:07] <MilhousePunkRock> sir_: Does that bring up something like a config file?
[08:07] <sir_> yes.. i'm in it now
[08:07] <smaggard_> wasnt somoene having a prob with Kate from command line?
[08:07] <abattoir> dud1: that will open the sources.list file in kate, a text editor
[08:08] <abattoir> dud1: copy the contents and pastebin it, DO NOT paste it here
[08:08] <smaggard_> cuz now mine wont open that way either
[08:08] <abattoir> !pastebin | dud1
[08:08] <ubotu> dud1: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:08] <abattoir> dud1: that will give you a link, paste that link here, and then i'll tell you how to proceed
[08:08] <dud1> abattoir: ok bro
[08:08] <sir_> mpr: i see monitor and screen sections.. do it add here?
[08:08] <MilhousePunkRock> sir_: Scroll down to the "Section "Screen""
[08:09] <sir_> yes i'm there
[08:09] <MilhousePunkRock> In the subsection Display, what do the modes say?
[08:09] <sir_> "1280x960@60" "1024x768@60" "1024x768@70" "1024x768@75" "832x624@75" "800x600@60" "800x600@75" "800x600@72" "800x600@56" "640x480@75" "640x480@72" "640x480@60"
[08:10] <MilhousePunkRock> sir_: Looks ok to me
[08:10] <smaggard_> should be fine
[08:10] <MilhousePunkRock> What screen was it?
[08:10] <smaggard_> unless hes got more adapters
[08:10] <sir_> samsung 15" syncmaster 540N
[08:11] <MilhousePunkRock> sir_: AFAIK the native resolution of a 15" screen is 1024*768
[08:11] <sir_> the same screen had higher resolution in centos, btw
[08:11] <MilhousePunkRock> So I am afraid it won't go higher than that...
[08:11] <smaggard_> hmmm
[08:11] <sir_> no.. i was able to get higher resolution in centos
[08:11] <dud1> abattoir: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30511/
[08:11] <smaggard_> what resolution was it in centos?
[08:12] <Hobbsee> smaggard_: you behaving now?
[08:12] <smaggard_> me? i always am
[08:12] <Hobbsee> you werent before
[08:12] <sir_> i went to the next level from 1024x768 to 1280x960
[08:12] <smaggard_> i wasnt?
[08:12] <sir_> in centos, ie
[08:12] <abattoir> dud1: ok, i guess you have main enabled
[08:12] <abattoir> dud1: type 'sudo apt-get update' in a terminal
[08:13] <MilhousePunkRock> sir_: This one? http://www.computerhandlung.de/?content=SAMSUNG_Syncmaster-540N_40648.htm
[08:13] <Hobbsee> sir_: you got a widescreen monitor, by any chance?
[08:13] <dud1> abattoir: ok, its connecting
[08:13] <sir_> no.. i got only 15" samsung tft monitor
[08:14] <MilhousePunkRock> sir_: Like Hobbsee said, that's a widescreen resolution
[08:14] <Hobbsee> sir_: and what model chipset is your graphics card?  (lspci will tell you if you dont know)
[08:14] <abattoir> dud1: good, tell me if you get any error messages
[08:14] <dud1> abattoir: where can i get those commands?
[08:14] <abattoir> dud1: else do 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[08:14] <abattoir> dud1: you'll get used to them ;)
[08:14] <smaggard_> heh
[08:14] <dud1> abattoir: ok, its done, no errors
[08:14] <smaggard_> ok im bored
[08:14] <smaggard_> anyone else?
[08:15] <abattoir> dud1: the first one contacts the ubuntu servers and make sure you have a list of all the latest packages(software) available online
[08:15] <abattoir> dud1: ok, type 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-deskop'
[08:15] <Hobbsee> sir_: what resolution are you supposed to be running at?
[08:15] <smaggard_> desktop
[08:15] <smaggard_> not deskop but im sure he knew that..
[08:15] <MilhousePunkRock> sir_: Is it the screen I posted the link to?
[08:15] <dud1> abattoir: Couldn't find package kubuntu-deskop
[08:16] <smaggard_> lol
[08:16] <smaggard_> desktop
[08:16] <abattoir> dud1: desktop?
[08:16] <sir_> i'm checking your link
[08:16] <smaggard_> its not deskop its desktop with a T
[08:16] <abattoir> dud1: sorry, my mistake
[08:16] <abattoir> dud1: 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[08:16] <smaggard_> hurray :D
[08:16] <MilhousePunkRock> abattoir never sleeps, that's why he makes mistakes sometimes... ;-)
[08:16] <smaggard_> even i didnt catch that the first time i read it
[08:16] <sir_> mpr: yes.. thats the one
[08:17] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: hehe, i got it right the first time though :P
[08:17] <abattoir> if that counts
[08:17] <smaggard_> yeah you did
[08:17] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: if it's a wrong resolution problem with a i810 driver, installing 915resolution (in universe) and restarting X will probably fix the problem - did for my widescreen
[08:17] <sir_> hobb: Intel 82865G
[08:17] <MilhousePunkRock> sir_: So it's pretty sure that it won't go higher than that...
[08:17] <sir_> only in ubuntu?
[08:17] <smaggard_> he said it went higher in centos btw
[08:17] <MilhousePunkRock> TFT screens have native resolutions according to their size
[08:17] <abattoir> dud1: any activity?
[08:18] <MilhousePunkRock> sir_: Well, it probably wasn't configured correctly in centos
[08:18] <dud1> abattoir: i guess i did something wrong
[08:18] <abattoir> dud1: what happens? if it is a long error message, copy it and pastebin it
[08:18] <Hobbsee> sir_: run "sudo apt-get install 915resolution && sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[08:18] <Hobbsee> sir_: and then come back here and tell us if it's fixed
[08:18] <dud1> abattoir: i just clicked the software updates icon...is it ok?
[08:19] <abattoir> dud1: where? in synaptic?
[08:19] <sir_> ok.. thanks very much to mpr and hobb
[08:19] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: He's got a 15" TFT, it should not be able to use a higher resolution...
[08:19] <dud1> abattoir: yes, i think so
[08:19] <smaggard_> i agree
[08:19] <sir_> its not solved.. but may be the monitor is the problem
[08:19] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: yet somehow it has, in centos
[08:19] <abattoir> dud1: why? when i asked you specifically run those commands ;)
[08:19] <dud1> abttoir: downloading package files
[08:19] <Siliticx> hey guys, im currently dl'ing kubuntu and i was wondering
[08:19] <MilhousePunkRock> I am not sure if running a TFT screen above its native resolution will do good...
[08:19] <sir_> i take it back.. hobb.. the centos had a 64bit processory
[08:19] <Hobbsee> sir_: ahhh
[08:20] <sir_> its a different processor.. but the same monitor
[08:20] <smaggard_> hmmm
[08:20] <Siliticx> will thee installer auto-convert my non-formatted partition to istall kubuntu on it?
[08:20] <MilhousePunkRock> sir_: Does KControl show the exact monitor manufacturer and model?
[08:20] <smaggard_> yes u can do custom partitioning :D
[08:20] <dud1> abattoir: silly me, not following instructions, my mistake, sorry
[08:20] <sir_> the centos on the same processor is showing only 1024x768
[08:20] <smaggard_> but not sure what you mean by auto-convert
[08:20] <sir_> so i guess thats the max it would go
[08:21] <abattoir> dud1: nvm, try 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' in a terminal
[08:21] <sir_> no.. the exact model is not shown
[08:21] <Siliticx> well, more like format it to ext3
[08:21] <abattoir> dud1: make sure you have synaptic closed before doing that though
[08:21] <yamal> sir_: tft monitors cannot go higher than their native resolution (on any operating system), so yours is limited to 1024x768
[08:21] <Hobbsee> Siliticx: yes, you can tell kubuntu to take the whole disk, and it will just "do it"
[08:21] <sir_> 540N is not listed for some reason
[08:21] <smaggard_> well you can tell it to partition and format your hd any way you want.
[08:21] <smaggard_> so if you want to keep a winders install intact you can.
[08:21] <MilhousePunkRock> yamal: Thanks for pointing that out...
[08:21] <smaggard_> or a linux install for that matter :D
[08:22] <dud1> abattoir: ok, tnx, just a sec
[08:22] <smaggard_> the kubuntu install is insanely easy, just make sure you setup the partitions right and dont erase one with your info on it.
[08:22] <Siliticx> am i better off installing windows first?
[08:22] <MilhousePunkRock> sir_: I am pretty sure it was not properly configured on CentOS... Be glad you don't run a higher resolution any more before you screen breaks...
[08:22] <smaggard_> yes install windows first, then kubuntu so grub can be installed
[08:22] <sir_> haha.. let me check again.. and confirm
[08:22] <Hobbsee> Siliticx: you want to dual boot?  yeah, you probably are
[08:22] <Hobbsee> !dualboot
[08:22] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64)  -  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[08:22] <MilhousePunkRock> Siliticx: If you plan to run both in dual boot, yes
[08:22] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[08:23] <smaggard_> grub install will find windows and set it up for you
[08:23] <Siliticx> sounds good to me
[08:23] <Hobbsee> it is still  there.  Siliticx - check out that top link
[08:23] <MilhousePunkRock> !guidance
[08:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about guidance - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:23] <MilhousePunkRock> ahw... :(
[08:24] <smaggard_> lol
[08:24] <Siliticx> !noob
[08:24] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: what about it?  as for why it doesnt run in kcontrol?
[08:24] <ubotu> Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[08:24] <Siliticx> bleh.
[08:24] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: Yeah...
[08:24] <smaggard_> someone in another channel was having a hard time with ubuntu and an owm he had a helluva time gettin it going
[08:25] <MilhousePunkRock> I am desperately looking for a way to configure Guidance-Power-Manager
[08:25] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: because kcontrol was replaced by system settings, really.  and guidance is developed later
[08:25] <MilhousePunkRock> More detailed than right clicking on the icon
[08:25] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: do you have it running in your kicker?
[08:25] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: Yes
[08:25] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: right click, restore, or just double click on it
[08:26] <smaggard_> i wonder why ubuntu people like gnome so much.. im in love with KDE :D
[08:26] <Hobbsee> er, single click on it
[08:26] <Hobbsee> smaggard_: no idea.  they're crazy :P
[08:26] <MilhousePunkRock> smaggard_: This is #kubuntu, we are all KDE people here
[08:26] <smaggard_> i know this..
[08:26] <smaggard_> i can read.
[08:26] <smaggard_> :D
[08:26] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: Well, I would like to find out what right clicking and selecting "Suspend" calls
[08:27] <abattoir> smaggard_: people at #ubuntu might be wondering why kubuntu people like kde so much ;)
[08:27] <smaggard_> i do that to suspend my laptop
[08:27] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: Since that works for me, but Fn-F4 does not
[08:27] <abattoir> smaggard_: it's a matter of personal preference
[08:27] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: fn+f4 does nothing?
[08:27] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: you're on a laptop, or on a desktop machine?
[08:27] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: It does suspend the old way, so I can not resume it anymore
[08:27] <Hobbsee> oh, odd
[08:27] <MilhousePunkRock> I would like to adjust that
[08:27] <Siliticx> well i guess kubuntu is for me.
[08:27] <smaggard_> when i close the lid it doesnt go into standby tho, but the screen turns off
[08:28] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: Choosing hibernate from the shutdown menu does work too, I assume it would for supend as well
[08:28] <Siliticx> whats the best, cedega or wine
[08:28] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: i'd imagine it uses a differnet script
[08:28] <MilhousePunkRock> smaggard_: Did you define the lid event to suspend?
[08:29] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: I would like to fix that, it's probably part of KMilo
[08:29] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: the working one probably uses /etc/acpi/sleep.sh
[08:29] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: indeed
[08:29] <smaggard_> mmm i havent checked it.
[08:29] <MilhousePunkRock> Unfortunately I don't have settings for that either
[08:29] <paolo> hi
[08:29] <Hobbsee> that doesnt have settings
[08:29] <smaggard_> lemme check my event settings.
[08:30] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: want to run xev | grep -A2 --line-buffered '^KeyRelease' | sed -n '/keycode /s/^.*keycode \([0-9] *\).* (.*, \(.*\)).*$/\1 \2/p' and hit the button for hibernate, and paste in here what it outputs?
[08:30] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: Really? When I installed KMilo myself on Dapper, it had settings in  KControl
[08:30] <smaggard_> but if it doesnt work, right clicking the Klaptop battery and clicking suspend is fine :D
[08:30] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: also, are there any other keys that dont work on your laptop?
[08:30] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: i never saw them, anyway
[08:30] <smaggard_> my "hot keys" and volume keys dont work
[08:30] <smaggard_> i have vol up/down and mute
[08:30] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: The volume buttons work, but they are hard-wired to the mixer
[08:31] <MilhousePunkRock> BUT they also call KMilo for the OSD
[08:31] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: yep.  i think that's to be expected
[08:31] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: Brightness and ThinkLight also work, but without OSD, like they used to...
[08:32] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: smaggard_ if you could both fill out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/Keycodes that would be helpful
[08:32] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: Besides that, why does Guidance give the warnings about the battery state as an error message of HAL?
[08:33] <smaggard_> alrighty
[08:33] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: because it's a bug :(
[08:33] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: oh, wait.  not sure.  that's probably a bug too
[08:34] <smaggard_> how do i fill it out?
[08:34] <smaggard_> nvr used a wiki before
[08:35] <abattoir> smaggard_: you'd need a launchpad a/c if you don't have one, first
[08:35] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee, abattoir: That will hold me back from filling that out...
[08:35] <smaggard_> ah i dont
[08:36] <smaggard_> i can tell you what they are haha
[08:36] <abattoir> smaggard_: if you are logged in, you'll see 'Edit this Page' at the top, once you are in the edit mode, there are basic instructions below the edit window, there are links in wiki on how to edit too
[08:36] <MilhousePunkRock> How likely are there any "hidden" settings for KMilo, burried deeply in some system folder?
[08:36] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: lure would know, i've forgotten
[08:36] <Hobbsee> and yes there are, i think.  but it may not be kmilo that is the problem
[08:37] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: I highly suspect it, as it probably still holds the "old events" for the specific keys...
[08:37] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: kmilo only sets what gets called - i'm not sure where what youre actually looking for is
[08:38] <smaggard_> wow lshal -m shows all the correct buttons when i push them
[08:38] <MilhousePunkRock> In case you remember my long and sad story about the power management, Hobbsee, the machine was not able to suspend on any older kernel
[08:38] <smaggard_> even the volume up/down and mute, but none of them do anything
[08:39] <MilhousePunkRock> So I upgraded to Edgy with high hopes, but it did not work... Until I got rid of everything related to power management that I had added myself on Dapper
[08:39] <MilhousePunkRock> smaggard_: They are probably not mapped with a keycode
[08:40] <smaggard_> platform_i8042_i8042_Kbd_Port_logicaldev_input condition ButtonPressed = media
[08:40] <smaggard_> platform_i8042_i8042_Kbd_Port_logicaldev_input condition ButtonPressed = sound
[08:40] <smaggard_> platform_i8042_i8042_Kbd_Port_logicaldev_input condition ButtonPressed = www
[08:40] <smaggard_> platform_i8042_i8042_Kbd_Port_logicaldev_input condition ButtonPressed = volumed    own
[08:40] <smaggard_> platform_i8042_i8042_Kbd_Port_logicaldev_input condition ButtonPressed = volumeu    p
[08:40] <smaggard_> platform_i8042_i8042_Kbd_Port_logicaldev_input condition ButtonPressed = mute
[08:40] <smaggard_> oops
[08:41] <MilhousePunkRock> !paste | smaggard_
[08:41] <ubotu> smaggard_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:41] <smaggard_> ugh
[08:41] <smaggard_> i know, sorry
[08:41] <smaggard_> as soon as i right clicked in here on accident it put it in there
[08:42] <MilhousePunkRock> smaggard_: There is some setting that lets you confirm wether you want to write more than one line (at least in Konversation)
[08:42] <marius_> I have a doubt
[08:42] <WikinG> i have problems with sound in 90% games & apps. what problem can it be?
[08:43] <dud1> abattoir: downloading
[08:43] <marius_> somebody actualization from dapper to edgy?
[08:43] <MilhousePunkRock> WikinG: So you do have sound in some applications?
[08:43] <abattoir> dud1: good
[08:43] <MilhousePunkRock> marius_: I did
[08:43] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: ahhh...that's right
[08:43] <WikinG> MilhousePunkRock, yes
[08:43] <marius_> do you have any problem?
[08:43] <marius_> milhousepunkrock?
[08:43] <MilhousePunkRock> marius_: Plenty of them, to be honest...
[08:44] <marius_> ok,
[08:44] <MilhousePunkRock> marius_: But most of them were created by me, since I e.g. installed stuff on Dapper that is included in Edgy, so they had some issues...
[08:45] <MilhousePunkRock> marius_: You are not using a laptop and have installed KPowersave yourself already?
[08:45] <marius_> I think that is better a clean installation
[08:45] <marius_> no, I am a PC
[08:45] <marius_> I have a PC
[08:45] <marius_> sorry for my english
[08:45] <abattoir> marius_: yes, a clean installation would be better if that's feasible for you
[08:45] <MilhousePunkRock> marius_: Make sure you backup all your valuable data, just in case
[08:45] <MilhousePunkRock> abattoir: Like I said before, isn't that the windows approach?
[08:46] <marius_> Now it can't be, I need Dapper for my carrer's project
[08:46] <marius_> ok, thanks
[08:46] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: unfortunately, the upgrade process from dapper-> edgy is... edgy :P
[08:47] <abattoir> !upgrade | marius_
[08:47] <ubotu> marius_: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[08:47] <MilhousePunkRock> Lol, he's even swearing in his part message...
[08:47] <abattoir> marius_: if you are planning on upgrading, then follow the above instructions carefully
[08:47] <marius_> Yes, I saw
[08:47] <marius_> but I think that actualization process has problems
[08:48] <marius_> and I hva in the truth
[08:48] <abattoir> marius_: make sure you have 'kubuntu-desktop' installed, first of all, and install any important package that might be held back, like xserver-xorg for eg.
[08:48] <smaggard> blah i hit my wireless button to see what keycode and it turned it off and i had to restar to get it working again
[08:48] <abattoir> marius_: actualization?
[08:48] <marius_> ok
[08:48] <marius_> yes, abattoir
[08:48] <smaggard> restart*
[08:48] <marius_> sorry for my english
[08:48] <WikinG> i have problems with sound in 90% games & apps. what problem can it be?
[08:48] <abattoir> marius_: you mean the upgrade process?
[08:49] <marius_> yes, I know
[08:49] <marius_> but I dont want to probe without ask
[08:49] <marius_> first
[08:49] <marius_> :)
[08:49] <smaggard> how come 90% of the time when i click restart i end up having to press and hold the power button at a black screen?
[08:49] <smaggard> its prob these old ati drivers..
[08:50] <nino> no reboot or shutdown fixup for your hardware?
[08:50] <MilhousePunkRock> smaggard: You could have down "sudo ifconfig wlan0 up" where wlan0 would be the appropriate name for your wireless device
[08:51] <smaggard> i did but it says cant connect to the network, and the wireless light comes back on when i press it and everything, iunno.
[08:52] <smaggard> i have a great idea i want to try... LTSP in Kubuntu, im sure others have done it and i want to do it too :D
[08:52] <smaggard> i wasted 6 cds on K12LTSP which is fedora5 based and ugh i remember why i hate fedora again.
[08:53] <smaggard> fedora is the biggest peice of garbage that time has been wasted on.
[08:53] <EvilIdler> A real moneymaker, though
[08:53] <smaggard> yeah, i dont understand it
[08:54] <jende_> fdoving: Good Morning ;-)
[08:54] <smaggard> kubuntu blows it away
[08:54] <EvilIdler> I'm an RHCE, but it was never explained to me why RH is better than the others :P
[08:54] <smaggard> even Ubuntu :D
[08:54] <smaggard> red hat is just wrong!
[08:54] <smaggard> that whole bunch is.
[08:55] <EvilIdler> They've got one utility I like - chkconfig.
[08:55] <smaggard> red hat/fedora and suse have both gone down the toilet
[08:55] <houssem> hello !
[08:55] <smaggard> hello!!
[08:55] <EvilIdler> I have the latest SUSE, but haven't found a system I hate enough to try it on ;)
[08:55] <jende_> houssem: hi!
[08:55] <marius_> yes, red hat and fedora are a cheaters
[08:56] <smaggard> lol!
[08:56] <smaggard> EvilIdler> hilarious
[08:56] <smaggard> and now you all have heard about novel/suse getting in bed with M$ im sure.
[08:56] <EvilIdler> Two DVDs, one for client and one for server, in a big cardboard ad-filled box
[08:56] <smaggard> novell*
[08:56] <smaggard> lol did it come with a AOL cd?!
[08:57] <abattoir> guys, could you please take this to
[08:57] <EvilIdler> I haven't looked closely..must be an image on one of them :P
[08:57] <abattoir> #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:57] <Momal> has anyone used vmware under edgy ?
[08:57] <abattoir> please try to avoid distro bashing here
[08:57] <jende_> abattoir: howdy
[08:57] <smaggard> lol the installer is there somewhere in that rubbish
[08:57] <abattoir> Momal: i do
[08:57] <abattoir> hello jende_
[08:57] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: Do I get the info in Adept about KMilo right that the basic package should be fine for a ThinkPad?
[08:57] <Momal> oh did you have any problems when you compiled the vmware kernel ?
[08:57] <houssem> anayone can tell me how to create my own gfx theme ?
[08:57] <EvilIdler> Should I worry if the Edgy upgrade barely kept back any packages at all?
[08:58] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: not sure
[08:58] <abattoir> Momal: i remember having trouble w/ vmware-player, vmware-server however works fine
[08:58] <jende_> EvilIdler: wouldn't say so
[08:58] <smaggard> can i upgrade to Edgy without losing my existing system? someone said a clean install is recommended.
[08:58] <abattoir> smaggard: yes, you can
[08:58] <EvilIdler> I'm not used to an upgrade going well, and mine is so far :P
[08:58] <smaggard> hmm
[08:59] <smaggard> lol
[08:59] <jende_> smaggard: usually it an upgrade should work fine
[08:59] <smaggard> hmm
[08:59] <MilhousePunkRock> The info on Kmilo-legacy says: "By default, KMilo comes with plug-ins for Powerbooks, Vaios and ThinkPads"
[08:59] <smaggard> someone said wifi is buggy in edgy tho
[08:59] <abattoir> smaggard: i guess you were referring to me, i said *if* it's feasible(doing a clean install), then it's better
[08:59] <EvilIdler> Always keep /home as its own partition. I've had the same since 1997, just moving between harddrives
[08:59] <smaggard> if it aint broke, dont fix it :D
[08:59] <jende_> smaggard: well wifi can be truely a bit of a hassle
[09:00] <EvilIdler> Wifi is a hassle with any OS, any hardware.
[09:00] <smaggard> yeah i have ndiswrapper and this wifi chip humming now, i would hate to break it.
[09:00] <Momal> abattoir: I have a problem when it wants to compile the kernel module.. using vmware workstation or vmware-player(from the repos)
[09:00] <MilhousePunkRock> jende_ smaggard: It's not that it was a piece of cake in Dapper though...
[09:00] <abattoir> smaggard: that wouls most probably happen
[09:00] <abattoir> *would
[09:00] <jende_> MilhousePunkRock: that again is true
[09:00] <Momal> abattoir: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/242442 <--- thats what apt-get install vmware-player returns :(
[09:00] <abattoir> Momal: as i said, i remember it having issues as well, i then downloaded vmware-server from the vmware site, and it installed fine
[09:01] <houssem> please anayone can tell me how to create my own gfx theme ?
[09:01] <smaggard> ah ill just stay with dapper for now, everything works fine as of today :D i even got crossover and quickbooks running can you believe it!?
[09:01] <MilhousePunkRock> I did not have to do anything about the wireless after the upgrade
[09:01] <MilhousePunkRock> houssem: There are howtos in http://kde-look.org
[09:01] <MilhousePunkRock> houssem: That's not really a Kubuntu-related question
[09:01] <smaggard> quickbooks was the only thing keeping the windows anchor tied to my leg
[09:02] <smaggard> lol
[09:02] <abattoir> Momal: i remember someone else complaining about that a while earlier as well
[09:02] <jende_> houssem: you may want to join the kde channell
[09:02] <smaggard> dang this is the best channel ive ever been in as far as keeping to the topic
[09:02] <houssem> ok thanks my freinds
[09:02] <MilhousePunkRock> houssem: But beware, people over there are not as friendly as they are over here...
[09:02] <jende_> MilhousePunkRock: *ggg*
[09:03] <houssem> MilhousePunkRock: why !! :(
[09:03] <smaggard> yeah ive been in there before..
[09:03] <MilhousePunkRock> At least one of the devs
[09:03] <Schalken> i have a home partition with a user directory already in it, can i reuse that directory if i use the same username during installation?
[09:03] <abattoir> where?
[09:03] <jende_> MilhousePunkRock: some kde devs aren't even friendly on exhibitions
[09:03] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: where? #kde ?
[09:03] <smaggard> most of them are mean if you ask a question like "google it" or "rtfm"
[09:03] <EvilIdler> Schalken: Yep
[09:03] <MilhousePunkRock> I was there to ask a question which was pretty kde-specific and could not be resolved in my (other) distro's channel
[09:04] <MilhousePunkRock> All they told me was to ask in my distro's channel, it's not their problem...
[09:04] <Schalken> EvilIdler: it wont delete my stuff? :O
[09:04] <EvilIdler> Schalken: Just don't format, and it'll work just like magic. You won't need to do anything to keep using the files.
[09:04] <MilhousePunkRock> Schalken: Shouldn't, but don't pin me on that...
[09:05] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: where? #kde ?
[09:05] <MilhousePunkRock> abattoir: Yes
[09:05] <smaggard> my wifi is a broadcom chip btw
[09:05] <Schalken> EvilIdler: what about the file permissions? the new user needs to own all the files...
[09:05] <smaggard> integrated..
[09:05] <jende_> MilhousePunkRock: I remember that, too. I made the same experience on this years LinuxDay they're not responsible for anything - as it seems - its all distrorelated
[09:05] <MilhousePunkRock> smaggard: Aren't there native drivers for it?
[09:05] <smaggard> couldnt you just setup the new distro with the same username?
[09:05] <smaggard> well the native drivers acted screwy
[09:06] <Schalken>  smaggard: well thats what im trying to find out ;)
[09:06] <MilhousePunkRock> smaggard: I think that's what he wants to do
[09:06] <EvilIdler> Schalken: If that user is the first one you created, then the UID should be the same on a new install
[09:06] <EvilIdler> Schalken: I've been doing this for years without problems, anyway ;)
[09:06] <smaggard> like the wifi would work perfect for 5 mins then run terribly slow with native, so i used ndiswrapper
[09:06] <Schalken> EvilIdler: okay, i'll hold u to that!
[09:07] <EvilIdler> Schalken: If the UID is wrong, just change it with sudo. Permission flags should remain the same.
[09:07] <jende_> cu later folks have to get some breakfast, like heaps of coffee
[09:07] <smaggard> guys im serious, i think that Vista is going to absolutely blow and linux is going to become a HUGE factor
[09:07] <Motorhead> hai i guess
[09:08] <smaggard> you could do chmod -R user /home/user
[09:08] <smaggard> right
[09:08] <nino> smaggard: I agree with u on Vista, it really sux
[09:08] <smaggard> ?
[09:08] <EvilIdler> Yeah, Vista is quite irrelevant to me. XP with a new face, more or less. Kubuntu is better for me.
[09:08] <Schalken> EvilIdler: so i mount the home partition to /home during install and use the same username, and if it doesnt work, what command would i use to set all the permissions to the new user? im not sure if this user is the first one i made during install...
[09:08] <EvilIdler> Schalken: sudo chown -R username.username /home/username
[09:08] <cwcsc> am i connected ??
[09:08] <smaggard> yeah chown not chmod.......
[09:09] <smaggard> wow its late
[09:09] <MilhousePunkRock> cwcsc: Yes
[09:09] <EvilIdler> Make your personal files also part of your group, unless you like sharing your..hobbies
[09:10] <Schalken> EvilIdler: okay i will save that somewhere...
[09:10] <paolo> Hi. some days ago I installed (apt-get) Glade version 2.12.1 from universe. Yesterday I updated my packet list on adept (on another pc) and noticed the actual available version of Glade on universe is 2.12.0 (downgrade?). In addition, if I try to install it it says: BREAK (it has a conflict with dependencies). what does it mean? thnks
[09:10] <smaggard> and apparently, a LOT of computers that have windows drivers arent 64 bit ready at all, and the manufacturers arent going to go back and make 64 bit drivers..
[09:10] <EvilIdler> Schalken: Go low-tech. Keep a pile of post-its ;)
[09:11] <EvilIdler> smaggard: Driver support for the hardware I have within reach is better out of the box with Linux, than Vista with a few downloads.
[09:11] <Schalken> EvilIdler: i might have a postit somewhere.... :P
[09:11] <jinix> hi ppl
[09:11] <jinix> anyone know how to configure kontact for its mail
[09:11] <Momal> http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/242442 <-- anyone had problems running vmware-player on edgy ?
[09:11] <EvilIdler> Oh, finally. All packages downloaded. Now begins the fun!
[09:12] <smaggard> yeah, i mean 64 linux distros support my hardware, yet my laptop isnt "vista certified" nor will it ever be becuz HP isnt going to suppor it they say.
[09:12] <dennister> this is a mysql-server-related question/prob: Anyone know what to do about this error message: Session management error: Could not open network socket
[09:12] <EvilIdler> Yay HP!
[09:12] <smaggard> for real
[09:12] <Schalken> EvilIdler: was that username.username or username:username?
[09:12] <EvilIdler> Schalken: Both work :)
[09:13] <smaggard> it can be a . or a : ?
[09:13] <dennister> context: this is happening as the database is filling with data...and i do have OpenSSH running
[09:13] <EvilIdler> Yep
[09:13] <Schalken> EvilIdler: cool
[09:13] <Schalken> wish me luck!
[09:13] <smaggard> neat, didnt know that
[09:13] <EvilIdler> They're both on the same key on my keyboard, so that's something I found accidentally
[09:13] <MilhousePunkRock> EvilIdler: Post-It's are probably the best invention that does not need a power source...
[09:14] <EvilIdler> MilhousePunkRock: True :)
[09:14] <smaggard> i addressed this problem in gentoo with a kernel patch, but it happens in kubuntu as well, the time after a reboot keeps going an hour ahead.
[09:14] <EvilIdler> Timezone problems? tzconfig?
[09:14] <smaggard> hmm lemme check
[09:15] <EvilIdler> There are a few other programs related, that might fix it too
[09:15] <dennister> nino?
[09:15] <nino> yea
[09:15] <kalbo> abattoir: its done...
[09:16] <smaggard> holy geez the time zone was set to new york but im in central, thanks EvilIdler!
[09:16] <dennister> could u scroll up a bit? my question should be right up ur alley
[09:16] <dennister> i ran into this last night, and did searches for it, but couldn't seem to find much info or help
[09:17] <vge> if i take a ssh connection to some host, how do i change my local folder while connected?
[09:17] <vge> using commandline
[09:17] <EvilIdler> Damnit, strange hardware problem on the other computer. I have a RAM stick that's afraid of the dark -it won't work alone
[09:18] <nino> dennister: havent had one like that, you've installed all the relavent libraries for mysql?
[09:18] <smaggard> what time is it in eastern time right now?
[09:18] <MilhousePunkRock> So, does anybody have a clue how to get Power related settings back in KControl?
[09:18] <dennister> i believe so, but i'm following that howto even more religiously than last night...and so far it's working a bit better for me
[09:19] <MilhousePunkRock> smaggard: I'd guess it's 3.18 am
[09:19] <smaggard> alrighty
[09:19] <smaggard> thanks
[09:19] <nino> dennister: I'm having a look around hang in there
[09:19] <dennister> thx
[09:20] <smaggard> does everyone here pretty much use kdelook to get their kde eye candy?
[09:21] <dudl> abattoir: are you therez?
[09:21] <MilhousePunkRock> dudl: I think he went out...
[09:21] <dennister> sorry...not too interested in eye candy just yet myself...probably i'll use kdelook
[09:22] <dudl> MilhousePunkRock: ok, do u know the command, i want to upgrade my dapper to edgy
[09:23] <MilhousePunkRock> !upgrade | dudl
[09:23] <ubotu> dudl: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[09:23] <nino> dennister: what does it say when u run mysqlcheck ?
[09:23] <MilhousePunkRock> dudl: I sticked to that guide and it worked for me...
[09:23] <dennister> let me do that
[09:23] <dudl> ok
[09:23] <vge> smaggard: if i really want eye candy (to make my windows friends jelous) i just use beryl :P
[09:24] <dennister> would u like me to put into pastebin?
[09:24] <smaggard> hmmm beryl
[09:24] <dennister> !pastebin
[09:24] <smaggard> never used it
[09:24] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:24] <vge> [10:17]  <vge> if i take a ssh connection to some host, how do i change my local folder while connected?
[09:24] <nino> yea
[09:25] <smaggard> is it a xgl type thing?
[09:25] <vge> smaggard: something like this: http://oknotizie.alice.it/go.php?us=21310251092c865e
[09:26] <dennister> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30512/
[09:27] <smaggard> whoah thats slick
[09:27] <nino> dennister: ok all seems fine there, looks the same as mine!!
[09:28] <dennister> so why am i getting that error message?
[09:29] <vge> [10:17]  <vge> if i take a ssh connection to some host, how do i change my local folder while connected?
[09:29] <dudl> abattoir: are you therez?
[09:30] <smaggard> where do i put the window decoration file for kde at?
[09:30] <nino> dennister: i think it is on the client sied
[09:30] <nino> dennister: side
[09:31] <dennister> and the client side being DataDirect in this case? where i'm getting my data from during download?
[09:31] <smaggard> ah nvm
[09:32] <nino> dennister: yip
[09:32] <en1gm4> hi there
[09:32] <nino> dennister: lets verify if mysql is runnig => mysqladmin -u root status
[09:33] <geisha> can some one help me?... howe to open downloads
[09:33] <dennister> ok..well there's a tip on the mythtv howto (edgy howto directs us to just one small section of it)..i'll try that -- maybe tomorrow
[09:33] <Momal> ugh vmware not working under edgy >_<
[09:34] <nino> dennister: R   u done??
[09:34] <dennister> it's 3:30 am here again, and i got <4 hours this morning
[09:34] <geisha> howe can i open windows files ore programs in linux
[09:34] <en1gm4> my keyboard doesnt work after i boot with the installation cd, in the initial menu (when i choose start or install) it works but after the live load it do not... the keboard is ps2, any hint?
[09:34] <nino> its 10:34 am here, go get some sleep man
[09:34] <dennister> almost...backend is done...need frontend and goodies yet...don't want to screw anything up at this stage cause of exhaustion
[09:35] <nino> its cool
[09:35] <geisha> ?
[09:35] <cpk1> geisha: windows files?
[09:35] <dennister> yeah,,,it would be really neat if that tip/fix did actually cause that error message to go away
[09:36] <dennister> <--doesn't take error messages lightly anymore...i'm just too close!
[09:36] <houssem> !cpio
[09:36] <ubotu> cpio: GNU cpio -- a program to manage archives of files. In component main, is important. Version 2.6-17 (edgy), package size 94 kB, installed size 520 kB
[09:36] <dennister> i'll give u an update tomorrow, k?
[09:36] <nino> :) thats the spirrit!!
[09:36] <dennister> g'nite all
[09:36] <MilhousePunkRock> !wine | geisha
[09:36] <ubotu> geisha: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[09:36] <nino> peace
[09:36] <dennister> and ty for the reassurance nino...very helpful
[09:37] <smaggard> what will a apt-get dist-upgrade do?
[09:37] <geisha> thank you
[09:37] <cpk1> geisha: what are you trying to do?
[09:37] <geisha> cedega is not good?
[09:38] <vge> Momal: does this help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingVMware#head-9973a76766d2a1a45c0da13567ce73c227904cbf
[09:38] <geisha> i want to play win games on linux
[09:38] <en1gm4> does anyone know how my keyboard stops to work after the live is loaded? I cant event to start to install :(
[09:38] <smaggard> im installing beryl :D
[09:38] <vge> Momal: i need to try it myself too :)
[09:38] <duane_> smaggard: what howto are you using?
[09:38] <nino> dennister: remember youre the one holding the keaboard, not the machine!!! lol
[09:38] <smaggard> beryls ubuntu guide
[09:38] <duane_> cause i got a good one
[09:38] <duane_> if you want i
[09:38] <duane_> ok
[09:38] <duane_> hopefully it works for ya
[09:39] <nino> aarg keyboard!!
[09:39] <smaggard> i hope so too
[09:39] <smaggard> lol
[09:39] <smaggard> whats your guide incase it doesnt
[09:39] <en1gm4> keyboard sry
[09:39] <duane_> beryl is awesome
[09:39] <en1gm4> :D
[09:39] <cpk1> geisha: wine will usually work, cedega is usually easier but you are supposed to pay for it
[09:39] <Arafangion> cpk1: Surely you jest!
[09:39] <duane_> lemme find it
[09:39] <vge> beryl has also some really bad bugs still
[09:39] <en1gm4> nino: can you help me? not just in english i mean :P
[09:40] <EvilIdler> vge: Freeze bugs or mere display bugs?
[09:40] <cpk1> Arafangion: cedega actually pays to be able use the security methods that the games use, so it usually means less work arounds =)
[09:40] <geisha> cedega is already downed but i dont know howe to open the program
[09:40] <nino> en1gm4: whats up
[09:41] <smaggard> mmk
[09:41] <en1gm4> my keyboard doesnt work after i boot with the installation cd, in the initial menu (when i choose start or install) it works but after the live load it do not... the keboard is ps2, any hint?
[09:41] <cpk1> cedega uses a gui but running cedega from konsole will probably start it
[09:41] <duane_> im using beryl right now
[09:41] <cpk1> it should be in the kmenu
[09:41] <duane_> and yes it has bugs
[09:41] <duane_> for instance starting beryl manager sometimes will result in no menu bars and stuff
[09:41] <duane_> but all you got to do is close beryl manager and it works
[09:42] <Momal> vge: thanks trying it now hopefully it works >_<
[09:42] <nino> en1gm4: kubuntu 6.06 ??
[09:42] <duane_> smaggard: are you on edgy or dapper?
[09:42] <en1gm4> nino: , i downloaded it sunday
[09:42] <en1gm4> nino 6.10
[09:42] <smaggard> dapper
[09:43] <nino> en1gm4: did u make any changes in the bios??
[09:43] <duane_> ok i got something for ya
[09:43] <duane_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=271533&highlight=xgl+beryl
[09:43] <duane_> that's specifically for kde
[09:43] <en1gm4> nino: no, the keyboard works fine except in the live
[09:43] <smaggard> alrighty :D hey do you rember puttin XAANoOffscreenPixmaps in your device options?
[09:43] <duane_> beryl's howto is for gnome
[09:44] <duane_> smaggard: check out that link
[09:44] <duane_> its exactly what i used
[09:44] <duane_> to get beryl on dapper
[09:44] <|lostbyte|> IS it safe to delete the contents of "/var/tmp/kdecache-<user>/
[09:45] <|lostbyte|> ??
[09:45] <nino> en1gm4: hold on!!
[09:45] <en1gm4> nino: ok
[09:45] <duane_> |lostbyte|: im not sure but its just cache so you'll prolly be ok
[09:45] <duane_> but google it to be sure
[09:45] <en1gm4> nino: an other thing... i tried o do the check of the cd... it does it fine... after that it tells "press anykey to reboot".... but the keyboard does not work once again.....
[09:47] <nino> en1gm4: so this happens after installation??
[09:48] <en1gm4> nino: no... look... i start with the installation cd... at at the intial menu the keyb works... after that starts the live dist....
[09:48] <smaggard> hmm im at the part to edit gdm... but i dont have /etc/gdm
[09:48] <en1gm4> nino: and i can use it with the mouse.... but not with the keyboard...
[09:48] <en1gm4> nino: i cant install it becouse i cant use the keyboard!
[09:48] <EvilIdler> Hmph. apt could use a hook function so font-packages could tell it to run font regeneration AFTER all configuration is done. Doing it once per font seems inefficient.
[09:48] <en1gm4> nino: i cant put passwords username and so on
[09:49] <Momal> vge: awsome it works thanks :D
[09:49] <geisha> i'll try wine is it wine hq
[09:49] <|lostbyte|> I get this..when i run kate.
[09:49] <|lostbyte|> kio (KSycoca): Trying to open ksycoca from /var/tmp/kdecache-thelostbyte/ksycoca
[09:49] <|lostbyte|> kio (KTrader): query for KTextEditor/Plugin : returning 4 offers
[09:49] <|lostbyte|> and kate never opens..
[09:49] <nino> en1gm4: yes now i understand there is a config file that does this!!
[09:50] <Schalken> EvilIdler: flawless, absoluteley flawless
[09:50] <|lostbyte|> lolz
[09:50] <en1gm4> nino: where?
[09:50] <cpk1> geisha: did you install cedega with a .deb?
[09:50] <EvilIdler> Schalken: Good :)
[09:51] <nino> en1gm4: try booting without any keyboard=> plug it out completetly!!
[09:52] <nino> en1gm4: start the installation and then plug the keyboard in
[09:52] <Schalken> EvilIdler: i was much impressed with the 'amarok cant play mp3s, would you like to download mp3 support?' dialogue. exactly what new users need!
[09:52] <EvilIdler> Schalken: Ooh, better than when I first installed it :)
[09:52] <Schalken> anyway...to download nvidia drivers...
[09:52] <Hobbsee> it's ncie when it works :)
[09:54] <en1gm4> nino: how can i start? i wait 30sec?
[09:55] <nino> just wait
[09:55] <en1gm4> nino: ok, i'll try when i get home, i'm at school now :D ty very much
[09:55] <geisha> no i rip it from internet
[09:55] <en1gm4> if i'll have some problem i'll return here to bother u :P
[09:55] <nino> or get the install cd!! :)
[09:56] <en1gm4> ahahaha here?
[09:56] <nino> ??
[09:57] <EvilIdler> Reboot and prayer time..
[09:58] <Schalken> uhm, where is the theme manager?
[09:59] <smaggard> aight ill bbiab after i reboot and try beryl :D
[10:01] <Momal> is anyone here able to search on http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/ ?
[10:01] <geisha> thank you for your help i've downed wine now
[10:03] <SyberMile> hello all
[10:03] <keith> Hi
[10:03] <SyberMile> i was wondering if wpa was easyer with kubuntu or ubuntu or r they the same?
[10:04] <keith> I'm trying to upgrade to Edgy but get  some errors
[10:04] <keith> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:04] <keith>   libpango1.0-dev: Depends: libxft-dev but it is not installed
[10:04] <keith>   xutils-dev: Depends: x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0) but 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 is installed
[10:04] <EvilIdler> Whiskey tango foxtrot - my upgrade went well o.O
[10:07] <keith> Can anybody help me??? Please???
[10:10] <geisha> i'm still not done ... howe to open wine with ark
[10:11] <cpk1> geisha: ?? you install wine with apt-get or adept
[10:11] <geisha> wath is that! :(
[10:12] <Schalken> i have one gripe, the progress animation in the top right of konqueror is damn ugly. is there a way i can change it?
[10:14] <EvilIdler> Quanta works, Opera works, IE works, everything seems nice and fast. Whee!
[10:14] <Tukadafoonday> Good evening.
[10:14] <cpk1> geisha: apt-get or adept is how you should be installing everything in kubuntu
[10:15] <geisha> i have just downed it and now its a bzip tar-archief
[10:15] <geisha> ooww i don't know
[10:16] <geisha> i think its adept i have a adept updater so?
[10:17] <EvilIdler> I just tried starting Adept, and..it just died.
[10:17] <geisha> and a package manager adept i think that its a adept
[10:17] <cpk1> geisha: are you using edgy or dapper?
[10:18] <geisha> i don't know
[10:19] <cpk1> geisha: when you installed kubuntu which version did you download?
[10:19] <bunny> hi everyone
[10:19] <cpk1> Sysinfo for 'snoresqueeze': Linux 2.6.15-27-686 running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPU2.40GHz at 2400 MHz (4806 bogomips), , RAM: 1095/1263MB, 107 proc's, 19.3d up
[10:19] <cpk1> hrmm sysinfo should say your ubuntu version too =P
[10:19] <bunny> has neone here used ossim on kubuntu
[10:19] <EvilIdler> I've got 29 python packages kept back now, but that's no problem. I also have x-window-system-core kept back. It doesn't want to install.
[10:19] <nino_> nino: upgrading mmm
[10:20] <geisha> i did'not installed kubuntu  it was already installed
[10:20] <geisha> i will have a look
[10:20] <cpk1> geisha: open Konsole and type lsb_release -a
[10:21] <bunny> has neone here used ossim
[10:21] <geisha> okey
[10:21] <bunny> on kbuntu
[10:22] <vge> EvilIdler: you can use for example synaptic and select there "Status" leaflet and install those paggages
[10:23] <EvilIdler> vge: Cheers, giving that a try later
[10:23] <EvilIdler> First try a few games and see if 3D actually is working :)
[10:23] <geisha> in the kinfocenter?
[10:23] <bunny> quit
[10:24] <shinobi2>  the calendar in k-menu, how can i shift the saturday over to the first column?
[10:24] <cpk1> geisha: what? open Konsole
[10:24] <geisha> yes
[10:24] <geisha> i have found it
[10:25] <cpk1> so type lsb_release -a
[10:25] <geisha> i have typed lsb_release -a
[10:25] <geisha> and now
[10:25] <cpk1> and does it say dapper or edgy?
[10:26] <geisha> no
[10:26] <geisha> LSB Version:    n/a
[10:27] <cpk1> and it says nothing else?
[10:27] <vge> [10:40]  <EvilIdler> vge: Freeze bugs or mere display bugs? <-- to old topic, i can't resize my windows while using beryl
[10:27] <EvilIdler> vge: Ah, that's a slight problem, yes. Especially for my desktop use :/
[10:28] <geisha> Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description:    Ubuntu (The Breezy Badger Release)
[10:29] <geisha> Release:        5.10
[10:29] <geisha> and a codename
[10:29] <cpk1> wow, breezy badger
[10:29] <cpk1> thats kind of old
[10:29] <geisha> ooww
[10:30] <geisha> yes codename breezy
[10:30] <EvilIdler> This year is v6, and the right number is the month it was released
[10:30] <cpk1> they just release 6.10
[10:30] <cpk1> I would think you should at least use dapper
[10:31] <EvilIdler> Just got Edgy up and running, and I'm now installing Digikam to see if it's any good :)
[10:31] <shinobi2> anyone have their wireless working in 6.10?
[10:31] <geisha> so what must i do now
[10:32] <smaggard> hi
[10:33] <cpk1> geisha: well wine still has a breezy repo (surprisingly) so add this into your /etc/sources.list or add it in using adept: deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt breezy main
[10:33] <smaggard> i tried your guide but it doesnt work when i select xgl fro the login menu, it just sits there and i have to get back to the login manager
[10:35] <geisha> thank you ill try
[10:37] <vge> [10:17]  <vge> if i take a ssh connection to some host, how do i change my local folder while connected to upload data?
[10:38] <cpk1> geisha: also you might want to consider upgrading sometime in the future
[10:38] <kamui> how would I go about troubleshooting my erratic touchpad?
[10:39] <kamui> I've confirmed it works fine in windows, so i think its a bad lnx driver
[10:39] <kamui> I can mostly track around teh screen, but it sticks sometimes and will just randomly jump
[10:39] <EvilIdler> vge: You could look at the scp command, or maybe sftp instead of directly sshing
[10:42] <Arafangion> kamui: Define "erratic".
[10:43] <kamui> Arafangion: right now, If I move my mouse around the screen using the touchpad, it will randomly stop moving even though Im still moving my finger.  Also when I click and try to drag something around it sometimes just jumps wildly from where I was smoothly dragging to a random point on the screen, then sticks, then resumes normal operation.  These Erratic movements occur every few seconds
[10:47] <pointwood> can anyone help me getting danish characters to work in Kontact/Kmail?
[10:50] <EvilIdler> pointwood: Do you have them working in xterms and regular KDE programs?
[10:50] <Arafangion> kamui: I have the opposite problem in windows, but with external mouse!
[10:50] <pointwood> EvilIdler: yes
[10:50] <geisha> can i down an install dapper 6.06
[10:50] <cpk1> geisha: you can upgrade to dapper from breezy
[10:51] <cpk1> !upgrade | geisha
[10:51] <ubotu> geisha: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[10:51] <EvilIdler> pointwood: I've got all sorts of symbols working in Kontact here, so it's strange if yours doesn't work. Try starting it from a terminal and see if any messages there help you.
[10:51] <cpk1> geisha: oops thats for going to edgy
[10:51] <pointwood> EvilIdler: when I write mails they look okay but when I recieve mails with danish characters, they don't work
[10:51] <pointwood> k
[10:51] <pointwood> will do
[10:51] <EvilIdler> pointwood: Ah, that's a slightly different problem then
[10:51] <geisha> ooww okey
[10:51] <cpk1> geisha: do NOT follow those directions, that is to go from dapper to edgy
[10:52] <EvilIdler> pointwood: Your client is expecting a different format on mail than people are sending you
[10:52] <EvilIdler> pointwood: Do people notice YOUR mail looking funny?
[10:52] <geisha> okey
[10:52] <pointwood> EvilIdler: will check
[10:53] <geisha> yes i see
[10:54] <EvilIdler> pointwood: Most Nordic mail I receive is ISO-8859-1. If you are using UTF-8, that might go both ways in KMail
[10:54] <pointwood> okay, wierd, just tested by sending an email to a gmail account and replying to it
[10:54] <pointwood> that worked just fine
[10:54] <geisha> cpk1 what can i do to upgrade
[10:54] <EvilIdler> pointwood: Google are smart. Outlook isn't quite as clever :)
[10:55] <pointwood> hehe
[10:55] <pointwood> EvilIdler: well, kmail neither then ;) it should recognise whether the mail uses iso-8859-1 or utf-8 ;)
[10:56] <EvilIdler> pointwood: Agreed, but it doesn't seem to :/
[10:56] <pointwood> nope
[10:56] <EvilIdler> pointwood: I'm not familiar with KMail, really, but there should be an option to switch it to the old ISO formats
[10:56] <pointwood> which might be what sends me back to thunderbird
[10:56] <EvilIdler> pointwood: Big, clunky, but it works ;)
[10:56] <cpk1> geisha: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DapperUpgrades should tell you how
[10:56] <geisha> http://tweakers.net/meuktracker/13941
[10:57] <cpk1> geisha: when it says gksudo use kdesudo instead
[10:57] <geisha> okey
[10:57] <cpk1> geisha: i mean use kdesu instead
[10:57] <pointwood> EvilIdler: hehe, perhaps, but as you say, it works, there are quite a few things that works better in that than in kmail imho
[10:58] <EvilIdler> pointwood: I'm not too impressed with all KDE programs, and KMail is one of those. It felt limited.
[10:58] <cpk1> geisha: and kubuntu uses adept instead of synaptic
[10:58] <geisha> okey
[10:59] <pointwood> EvilIdler: I'm pretty satisfied with most KDE programs, but kmail/kontact seems to be less than great
[10:59] <pointwood> and it seems it is a lack of people working on it that is the problem
[11:02] <geisha> Documentation for Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger) is that the one
[11:03] <geisha> Upgrading from Ubuntu 5.10 ("Breezy Badger")
[11:04] <Schalken> the nvidia install guide says to install 'linux-restricted-modules' but there is 2.6.17-10-386, 2.6.17-10-generic, 386, 686, common and generic. which do i install?
[11:04] <cpk1> geisha: yup, the link i sent you is the correct one dont worry
[11:04] <vge> there's no harm on removing old linx images and headers right?
[11:04] <Schalken> vge: nope
[11:04] <cpk1> i like to keep one or 2 old kernels around just in case something breaks with the new one
[11:05] <cpk1> but I guess isnt really a problem unless you are doing your own
[11:06] <Arafangion> vge: Why bother removing them?
[11:06] <vge> well, they seemed to take 1Gb of space :D
[11:06] <Arafangion> vge: You have one thousand kernels installed?
[11:07] <vge> i think the headers were the bigger part
[11:07] <nino_> anyone know how i can reinstall kubuntu desktop, mine seems to have dissapeard!!
[11:08] <Schalken> nino_: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[11:08] <Schalken> (wihtout the ? :P )
[11:08] <Arafangion> vge: Headers are also tiny.
[11:08] <nino_> i did that just now but it failed!!
[11:08] <Arafangion> vge: And there's only one version of those - that which glibc were compiled with!
[11:08] <Schalken> nino_: what did it say?
[11:09] <vge> Arafangion: restricted modules paggages? are they big? :)
[11:09] <Arafangion> vge: The headers actually has very little to do with the kernel you run
[11:09] <Schalken> nino_: if its more than two lines please use the pastebin btw
[11:09] <vge> Arafangion: i know, but usually vmware want's them to be installed
[11:09] <nino_> Schalken: sorry i did apt-get install kdesktop!!
[11:10] <Schalken> nino_: that would be it ;)
[11:11] <nino_> Schalken: Thats the one that failed , trying kubuntu-desktop now, lets see what happens
[11:11] <BderenorCaine> hi everyone
[11:12] <BderenorCaine> anyone here who might be willing to help me solve a little problem ?
[11:12] <Schalken> BderenorCaine: just ask, anyone who can help you will :)
[11:13] <nino_> does linux need any disk defrag tools??
[11:13] <Schalken> nino_: not really. the filesystems are very efficient are rarely need defraging
 i am at the  link u sent  but i still don't know what to do
[11:14] <nino_> Schalken: Cool see thats why i love linux!!
[11:14] <Schalken> :)
[11:14] <pichi_> hello to all
[11:14] <Schalken> hello
[11:14] <nino_> pichi_ hi
[11:15] <BderenorCaine> what is the init script that sets up networking at boot and how do i activate it
[11:15] <BderenorCaine> the installer failed to do that for me
[11:15] <BderenorCaine> i have to run dhclient manually every time after boot
[11:16] <geisha> i do'nt see kdesu
[11:17] <Schalken> geisha: you mean when you run, say, "kdesu cd ." it doesnt do anything?
[11:19] <nino_> geisha: try kdesu konqueror and then select storage media
[11:19] <geisha> no i'm trying to upgrade  breezy
[11:19] <nino_> oops
[11:20] <nino_> BderenorCaine: sorry man cant help!! :)
[11:21] <BderenorCaine> hm okay .
[11:21] <BderenorCaine> i'm going to try the forums then
[11:21] <geisha> do i need to it from de commando with alt-f2
[11:21] <ubuntu_> bonjour j'essaie linux pour la premire fois
[11:22] <ubuntu_> c pour a ke mon pseudo est ubuntu
[11:22] <ubuntu_> lool
[11:23] <ubuntu_> est ce kkun prrais me dire comment me connecter a un autre serveur? svp
[11:29] <geisha> thank you all for trying to help me
[11:31] <ubuntu_> svp je n'arrive pas a me connecter a un autre serveur
[11:32] <n3storm> hi everyone
[11:32] <nino> hi
[11:32] <BderenorCaine> ubuntu_: try a french channel, please
[11:32] <n3storm> My kdm resolution is different than my desktop resolution
[11:32] <n3storm> and the good one is the kdms
[11:33] <n3storm> any clue?
[11:33] <BderenorCaine> ubuntu_: most people here don't understand a word you're saying ;)
[11:33] <Mkux> hello
[11:33] <nino> i've got the same prob n3storm
[11:33] <n3storm> where is the file?
[11:33] <sadistic_kitten> hey ppl, I need help. I did an upgrade from Dapper to Edgy, via cl and apt-get. things are going fine except that my swap drive isn't loading and I don't know why
[11:33] <n3storm> nino: and any clue?
[11:33] <ubuntu_> thx g reussi :)
[11:33] <ubuntu_> super!
[11:34] <ubuntu_> merci
[11:34] <Mkux> what software do i need for linux - windows networking ?
[11:34] <nino> n3storm, i've given up just left it as is
[11:34] <sadistic_kitten> Mkux: samba?
[11:34] <Mkux> anything else?
[11:34] <Mkux> thx btw
[11:34] <sadistic_kitten> *shrugs* I don't think so
[11:34] <nino> n3storm: but i think it is my monitor, using a rather old one
[11:35] <n3storm> don't think so
[11:35] <n3storm> nino: I think the kcontrol thing is messing around something
[11:35] <n3storm> mine is not that old
[11:35] <nino> n3storm: if i boot recovery mode then it is fine
[11:36] <n3storm> maybe the kde-guidance at /etc/init.d is doing something nasty at startup
[11:36] <nino> since i upgraded to 6.06, thats when it started
[11:36] <n3storm> 6.10 here
[11:37] <Mkux> what do i need in terms of security to protect my system
[11:37] <nino> n3storm: i've played with init.d but my screen when all funny so i just left it
[11:38] <sadistic_kitten> Mkux: on linux?
[11:38] <Mkux> yea kubuntu linux, newest version
[11:38] <Mkux> do i even need security or not so much
[11:38] <sadistic_kitten> no
[11:38] <h3sp4wn> You need the security repository definately
[11:39] <Mkux> no security necessary?
[11:39] <sadistic_kitten> Mkux: you very new to linux?
[11:39] <Mkux> yes
[11:39] <Mkux> very
[11:39] <sadistic_kitten> ah
[11:39] <Mkux> windows pro
[11:39] <n3storm> at least a firewall and an updated system
[11:39] <sadistic_kitten> yeah
[11:39] <sadistic_kitten> listen to him
[11:39] <h3sp4wn> No need for a firewall
[11:39] <nino> Mkux: Strong root password for starters
[11:39] <sadistic_kitten> he knows what he is talking about
[11:39] <Mkux> no firewall needed?
[11:39] <n3storm> sure
[11:39] <Mkux> what is the security repository
[11:40] <n3storm> Mkux: better start reading a couple of manuals
[11:40] <Mkux> which manual is the best?
[11:40] <n3storm> is better for you just in case you do something wrong with security and
[11:40] <n3storm> you can't come back here
[11:40] <n3storm> :D
[11:40] <Mkux> yea i agree for sure a manual is always key
[11:40] <n3storm> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy
[11:40] <Mkux> im going to pick one up tommorow
[11:40] <n3storm> that's a good one
[11:41] <sadistic_kitten> n3storm: can you help me?
[11:41] <sadistic_kitten> have you had anyone else with this problem?
[11:41] <h3sp4wn> If you are a windows pro I would say something like that would be over simplified
[11:41] <n3storm> sadistic_kitten: sorry
[11:41] <n3storm> can you explain again the problem?
[11:41] <vegansickle> im back
[11:41] <sadistic_kitten> I did an upgrade from Dapper to Edgy, via cl and apt-get. things are going fine except that my swap drive isn't loading and I don't know why
[11:41] <h3sp4wn> Mkux: I would pick up something like Linux or UNIX in a nutshell
[11:42] <sephyria> i got my stuff working unfortunately i had to reinstall
[11:42] <Mkux> i need a hardcopy manual
[11:42] <n3storm> sadistic_swap drive or swap partition?
[11:42] <n3storm> ops
[11:42] <n3storm> sadistic_kitten: swap drive or swap partition?
[11:42] <h3sp4wn> Mkux: They are published by o'reilly the 2 I mentioned
[11:43] <sadistic_kitten> I think it's just the drive
[11:43] <nino> sadistic_kitten: is it stil listed in fstab?
[11:43] <sadistic_kitten> yeah, but with crazyness
[11:43] <sadistic_kitten> do you want me to post my fstab?
[11:43] <n3storm> just the swap line
[11:43] <n3storm> please
[11:43] <nino> sadistic_kitten: yes do that
[11:44] <Mkux> thanks
[11:44] <sadistic_kitten> ok hold on
[11:44] <Mkux> the 2 which you mentioned sorry?
[11:44] <h3sp4wn> Mkux: Linux in a Nutshell or UNIX in a Nutshell
[11:45] <sadistic_kitten> # /dev/sda1 -- converted during upgrade to edgy
[11:45] <sadistic_kitten> UUID=d091fc4d-eb35-4234-906e-62b8547af0e3 none swap sw 0 0
[11:45] <Mkux> thanks alot!
[11:45] <Mkux> i hope they dont cost too much lol
[11:45] <Mkux> education is always worth it though
[11:46] <nino> sadistic_kitten: /dev/hda      none            swap    sw              0       0
[11:46] <sadistic_kitten> you want me to replace that line with that?
[11:46] <n3storm> sadistic_kitten: don't do that
[11:46] <sadistic_kitten> yeah I did think so
[11:46] <n3storm> nop
[11:46] <nino> sadistic_kitten: no no no
[11:46] <n3storm> how do you know your swap is not loading?
[11:47] <nino> sadistic_kitten:thats an example of min
[11:47] <sadistic_kitten> well you know when kubuntu does checks on partions every once in a while
[11:47] <h3sp4wn> Mkux: The Linux one will have linux specfic stuff in it but if you get the UNIX one you could use Solaris / Aix / HPUX also - and it would still work in linux
[11:48] <nino> sadistic_kitten: i/ve never seen it check my swap
[11:48] <sadistic_kitten> when that started right up the top of it said "loading swap .... [failed] "
[11:48] <sadistic_kitten> something like that
[11:48] <Mkux> okay right on thanks alot
[11:48] <sadistic_kitten> no it was checking my /home partition
[11:48] <Mkux> im dogged - out
[11:48] <n3storm> sadistic_kitten: I think that is something about hibernating or so...
[11:49] <nino> sadistic_kitten: do you know where your swap partition is eg hda1, or sda or whatever??
[11:49] <sadistic_kitten> I'm pretty sure it's /sda1
[11:49] <n3storm> sadistic_kitten: have you ever suspended or hibernate your pc or laptop?
[11:49] <sadistic_kitten> yeah
[11:50] <sadistic_kitten> but I think it might have been doing that before I did that
[11:50] <n3storm> sadistic_kitten: what does "mount" with no params say?
[11:50] <sadistic_kitten> n3storm: a few things what do you want me to look for?
[11:51] <nino> sadistic_kitten: check under system settings / Disk and filesystems if you can see it there
[11:51] <n3storm> sure, is your swap partition loaded? or the same UUD?
[11:51] <n3storm> UUID
[11:51] <sadistic_kitten> no it's not
[11:52] <n3storm> open a konsole please, and write down "mount"
[11:54] <sadistic_kitten> yeah
[11:54] <sadistic_kitten> and
[11:54] <n3storm> can you see there sda1?
[11:54] <sadistic_kitten> no
[11:54] <n3storm> neither do I
[11:54] <n3storm> ???
[11:54] <n3storm> XDD
[11:54] <n3storm> where is the swap gone?
[11:55] <nino> kaboom!!!! :)
[11:55] <sadistic_kitten> should I check the log or something?
[11:57] <n3storm> but the system is stable
[11:57] <n3storm> ???
[11:57] <n3storm> quite a mistery, indeed
[11:57] <sadistic_kitten> yes
[11:58] <sadistic_kitten> should I try in another channel?
[11:58] <n3storm> well
[11:58] <n3storm> "we" should try
[11:58] <n3storm> :D
[11:58] <sadistic_kitten> uh
[11:58] <sadistic_kitten> I think your swap is running
[11:59] <sadistic_kitten> if not
[11:59] <sadistic_kitten> I dunno
[11:59] <sadistic_kitten> try top in the cl
[11:59] <sadistic_kitten> $ top
[12:00] <sadistic_kitten> or free -m
[12:00] <sadistic_kitten> and it should tell you
[12:00] <n3storm> Swap:       497972          0     497972
[12:00] <n3storm> sadistic_kitten: that's it
[12:01] <nino> *.. psst dennister?
[12:01] <n3storm> my swap is being used
[12:01] <n3storm> and yours?
[12:01] <sadistic_kitten> I get 0 0 0
[12:02] <n3storm> sadistic_kitten: have you checked with fdisk?
[12:02] <n3storm> mmm
[12:03] <n3storm> sorry sadistic_kitten , you should check at #ubuntu channel
[12:03] <n3storm> in can't help you anymore
[12:03] <n3storm> plus
[12:03] <sadistic_kitten> ok
[12:04] <n3storm> my screen resolution is making me dizzy
[12:04] <n3storm> good luck!
[12:05] <sadistic_kitten> my new years resolution is 1280 x 800
[12:05] <sadistic_kitten> :P
[12:05] <sadistic_kitten> ah bash
[12:11] <kay> i have vmware and i want to know how i can install the vmware tools / if the virtual pc is not started the 'install vmare tools' button is disable do i start the virtual machine it is enable but vmware say you cant install while runnung the virtual machine!?! anyone can help me??
[12:11] <kimmern> Hey! I'm connected to a wireless network on eth1..but in my sys.log I see that my computer tries to connect to eth0 all the time..maybe every other minute..how can I make it stop? I'm allready connected to eth1, so don't know why it does that!..eth0 is wired network, witch i almost don't use..but can't remove it either..no network cable is connected to my laptop either..so..any suggestions? I use Kubuntu edgy..
[12:12] <JanK> kopete is buggy as some of you may know, there's a patch linked from the bug tracking system. which of these files do i need to install?
[12:12] <JanK> kopete_3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu3.diff.gz
[12:12] <JanK> kopete_3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu3.dsc
[12:12] <JanK> kopete_3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu3_i386.changes
[12:12] <JanK> kopete_3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[12:12] <JanK> kopete_3.5.5+kopete0.12.3.orig.tar.gz
[12:12] <JanK> kopete-dev_3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[12:13] <intelikey> Question; will it break anything if /use is a symlink to /   and /sbin is a symlink to /bin  ???
[12:13] <intelikey> JanK you would install the .deb
[12:13] <JanK> that one? kopete_3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[12:13] <kay> kimmern: maybe you can do ifconfig eth0 stop
[12:14] <Arafangion> kay: For windows guest OS's, it emulates a floppy drive, which contains the tools you can install, don't know how it does it today. (Probably emulates a CD instead)
[12:14] <Arafangion> kay: (Which would mean that it can autorun)
[12:14] <kay> Arafangion: thx for the tip i search
[12:14] <kimmern> kay: I just get "stop: Unknown host"
[12:16] <kay> kimmern: then do first ifconfig eth0
[12:16] <kay> kimmern: what did he say?
[12:17] <intelikey> no body care to discuss my question ?
[12:17] <kay> intelikey: i read it but i cant help you sorry
[12:17] <intelikey> k ok
[12:18] <kay> intelikey: and i dont realy understand your question
[12:18] <kay> intelikey: did you mean /usr is renamed in / and /bin in /sbin?
[12:18] <kimmern> kay: too much to paste into here..but it looks normal..like normal, like i'm not connected to anything on eth0..
[12:18] <intelikey> kay no is a symlink
[12:19] <intelikey> like   cd /usr ;pwd    yelds /
[12:21] <intelikey> and ls -ld /usr   yelds  lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   14 Sep 16 04:53 usr -> /
[12:21] <kay> intelikey: sorry thats to high for me :-(
[12:23] <intelikey> ok but if you are ever curious about links/symlinks  do a quick    man ln
[12:23] <kay> intelikey: lol k
[12:27] <Tabmow> What's the best packages to d/l for kbuntu where i can play xvid/divx/mpg etc. ?
[12:28] <Bubba_Gump> :D
[12:28] <Bubba_Gump> Tabmow: kaffiene
[12:28] <Bubba_Gump> Tabmow: or vlc
[12:28] <intelikey> !mp3
[12:28] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:29] <Bubba_Gump> Tabmow: yeah check out the first link, you might need to install some codecs :)
[12:32] <intelikey> ok i have now a working ubuntu with no actual /sbin or /usr dir.   it seems to work ok.
[12:33] <Bubba_Gump> intelikey: curious
[12:34] <intelikey> symbolic links are handy....  :)
[12:34] <Voker57[away] > hi all!
[12:35] <Voker57[away] > Is kubuntu ok to be on one CD?
[12:35] <intelikey> Voker57[away] 
[12:35] <intelikey> of course.
[12:35] <Voker57[away] > good
[12:36] <intelikey> the install cd is just the basic system plus the gui/desktop and a few apps.  everything else subsequently added is from the internet.
[12:37] <Voker57[away] > Well...just like windows?
[12:37] <Voker57[away] > Or some system files are not shipped? :0
[12:37] <kay> Arafangion: thx it work
[12:37] <kay> s
[12:38] <intelikey> system files ?    coreutils and bsdutils are on the cd.
[12:38] <intelikey> i think textutils also
[12:38] <intelikey> that makes up the bulk of "system files"
[12:40] <Voker57[away] > well, what i need to get more?
[12:40] <Voker57[away] > then
[12:40] <intelikey> need ?   nothing really.   but what will you want more ?
[12:40] <Voker57[away] > everything else subsequently added is from the internet.
[12:41] <Voker57[away] > you said
[12:41] <intelikey> Voker57[away]  yes.     there are about 18000 packages ready to install from the repositories (internet)
[12:41] <intelikey> need != want
[12:41] <Voker57[away] > ah
[12:44] <intelikey> some people want "wine"   or maybe  "prorpitary codecs"   for multimedia support.      some wish to use there linux system in a cluster and therefore want "cluster support software"    some want "alternate applications" for doing the same tasks as the default install.....
[12:44] <Voker57[away] > yeah i see
[12:45] <niktaris> where can I find the bootoptions (preseed) to use in (k)ubuntu ?
[12:46] <intelikey> niktaris bootoptions ?   /boot/grub/menu.lst   and/or  the scripts contained in the /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` file.
[12:47] <wildchild> how do I enable sensors for temperatures with GkrellM ?
[12:48] <kay> lm sensors i think
[12:48] <kay> lm-sensors
[12:48] <niktaris> intelikey, I want to some keyboard values in xorg.conf.
[12:48] <kay> wildchild: do you know deepsea???
[12:49] <wildchild> no..
[12:49] <kay> wildchild: k its only a name in a clan you have the same name lol sorry
[12:49] <kay> wildchild: do you want have your sensors on?
[12:49] <wildchild> yews
[12:49] <wildchild> yes*
[12:50] <wildchild> kay: how do I do that?
[12:50] <intelikey> niktaris syntax error.
[12:52] <intelikey> "I want to some keyboard values in xorg.conf."    <--- i could say "hey that's great" or even say "your statement pretains to what exactly?"    but i assume you were trying to ask about how to do something.....
[12:53] <kay> wildchild: look for lm-sensors
[12:53] <kay> cant brb
[12:54] <intelikey> niktaris perhaps you are looking for    /etc/X11/xkb/*   ?
[12:54] <niktaris> intelikey, ok. How do I preseed  Option     "XkbLayout"  and  Option     "XkbOptions"  in xorg.conf ?
[12:57] <vogelfaull> why
[12:57] <octan> why? why what?
[12:57] <intelikey> niktaris ah...  ok  now i see.    niktaris i would generally advise running    sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg           it makes a backup copy of your current xorg.conf and allows setting of keyboard options       much safer than editing it by hand.
[12:58] <vogelfaull> why
[12:58] <Arafangion> intelikey: Not neccessarily.
[12:58] <intelikey> niktaris that's not a boot process per' se
[12:58] <Arafangion> intelikey: It only does so if the xorg.conf has not been modified, but presumeably, if you modified it, hopefully you were smart enough to actually read the comments on the top of the file :)
[12:59] <vogelfaull> why
[12:59] <niktaris> intelikey, I was thinking on using it on the livecd
[12:59] <vogelfaull> why
[12:59] <octan> why
[12:59] <octan> why why
[12:59] <vogelfaull> octan sucks
[01:00] <intelikey> Arafangion point noted.    it's time for me to go fix the election.
[01:00] <vogelfaull> thats nice
[01:01] <octan> i know :P
[01:01] <vogelfaull> thanks
[01:01] <h3sp4wn> until dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is feature complete some hand editing will often be necessary
[01:01] <vogelfaull> why
[01:01] <octan> np.. i do wha  i can :P
[01:01] <octan> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[01:01] <vogelfaull> why
[01:02] <h3sp4wn> You cannot set alot the options
[01:02] <vogelfaull> why
[01:02] <octan> why not
[01:02] <vogelfaull> because youre a sucker
[01:03] <octan> SO now you dont like my sucking... damn
[01:03] <Voker57> what a wonderful discussion
[01:03] <h3sp4wn> For example how do you set Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps"
[01:03] <vogelfaull> why
[01:04] <h3sp4wn> vogelfaull: You are a pretty dull bot
[01:05] <octan> hehe
[01:05] <vogelfaull> and you are gay
[01:05] <vogelfaull> thanks
[01:05] <octan> np
[01:08] <mikel28> anyone know a good site ripper? :)
[01:08] <octan> yea
[01:08] <octan> wget
[01:08] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: ugh!
[01:08] <mikel28> http://wwwaddress../download.php?id=856   <<i got these kinda php links on the sites
[01:09] <octan> mikel28, wget
[01:09] <mikel28> you sure, i tried wget - but it didnt dload the php links...
[01:09] <octan> how ?
[01:09] <mikel28> wget -mirror
[01:10] <DarthLappy> Good evening.
[01:11] <octan> well.. you can alwatys save the pages manualy by saving then with konqueror
[01:11] <mikel28> octan.. thats no option, im talking about hunderds of files
[01:11] <octan> lol- ok
[01:11] <octan> gimme add-- and i'll try
[01:11] <DarthLappy> I recently rebooted my desktop which has WiFi, and the card is now not detected. How could I fix this? (It was working fine before)
[01:13] <mikel28> ive send you a pm octan :')
[01:13] <octan> ok
[01:14] <mikel28> octan: you know that you cant write back if ur nick is not registered with freenode right?
[01:14] <Voker57> Can kubuntu ran on NTFS? :)
[01:14] <octan> my nick is reged
[01:15] <apokryphos> Voker57: no
[01:15] <Voker57> *run
[01:15] <Voker57> hm
[01:15] <apokryphos> NTFS is MS proprietary
[01:15] <Voker57> so do i need to make a non-allocated space on disk?
[01:15] <apokryphos> Linux can't even write to it properly
[01:15] <apokryphos> Voker57: yes, though the install should automagically do that for you
[01:15] <apokryphos> and it'll ask you to confirm
[01:16] <Voker57> It will resize my ?NTFS partiton to gett free space>?
[01:16] <apokryphos> right
[01:16] <Voker57> damn, my kb...
[01:16] <Voker57> good
[01:16] <Voker57> and can it write on FAT#@?
[01:16] <Voker57> 32
[01:16] <apokryphos> still, don't just keep pressing next -- you want to make sure that it got it right
[01:16] <apokryphos> it can write to vfat, yes, but not run on it
[01:16] <Voker57> good
[01:16] <apokryphos> ext3 is Ubuntu's default filesystem
[01:16] <Voker57> i will convert to it then
[01:16] <apokryphos> k
[01:17] <Voker57> wowee, ISO is downloaded
[01:17] <lupa> hi.. i upgrade to 6.10 and have some problems with audacity and xmms ... menus don't appear and audacity y recording very bad.
[01:18] <lupa> any idea?
[01:18] <octan> mikel28,
[01:20] <TheFuzzball> Hello, I am running Kubuntu 6.10 with Amarok 1.4.4 (I had this problem with 1.4.3 so it is not an upgrade problem) with KDE 3.5.5, the problem is when I run amarok as a normal user and play an mp3 track it comes up with a popup window that asks me to install mp3 support and then it crashes, but when I run it as root I don't have any problem, I would really like this fixed
[01:20] <apokryphos> TheFuzzball: check the FAQ, do you have the necessary codecs installed?
[01:20] <apokryphos> and did you install them properly
[01:21] <sadistic_kitten> nino I'm back
[01:21] <sadistic_kitten> are you still awake?
[01:21] <nino> sadistic_kitten: did u manage?
[01:22] <sadistic_kitten> yes I had to reboot and close a few things but I finally got in
[01:22] <TheFuzzball> apokryphos: yes, I can run it as root
[01:22] <sadistic_kitten> what did you want me to do?
[01:22] <sadistic_kitten> from here that is
[01:22] <sadistic_kitten> I'm in administrator mode
[01:22] <nino> sadistic_kitten: so you can see your hardrive and the partitions?
[01:23] <sadistic_kitten> yu[
[01:23] <sadistic_kitten> *yup
[01:23] <nino> sadistic_kitten: how many are there?
[01:23] <apokryphos> TheFuzzball: close amarok down, then mv ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok{,_old} && mv ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc{,_old}   (as user), then restart amarok
[01:24] <sadistic_kitten> 3
[01:24] <nino> sadistic_kitten: can you see the swap?
[01:24] <sadistic_kitten> yup
[01:25] <nino> sadistic_kitten: is it enabled?
[01:25] <sadistic_kitten> nope
[01:25] <sadistic_kitten> and when I try it says invalid argument
[01:26] <nino> what does it say under device /dev/hda??
[01:26] <TheFuzzball> apokryphos: still the same
[01:27] <sadistic_kitten> there is /dev/sda1 (swap) /dev/sda2 (home) and /dev/sda3 (/)
[01:27] <apokryphos> TheFuzzball: dpkg -l libxine-extracodecs?
[01:27] <Schalken> which linux-restricted-modules package do i need to download to install the nvidia drivers?
[01:28] <TheFuzzball> apokryphos: same :)
[01:28] <nino> sadistic_kitten: I would suggest to eddit fstab and disabling that swap line and inserting this one, hold on....
[01:28] <apokryphos> TheFuzzball: no, as in, what's the output of that?
[01:29] <TheFuzzball> apokryphos: I'll pastebin it
[01:30] <nino> sadistic_kitten: /dev/sda1 none swap sw 0 0   dissable that funny one of yours with a # in front of it!!
[01:30] <sadistic_kitten> k
[01:31] <nino> sadistic_kitten: then open the console
[01:32] <sadistic_kitten> yup
[01:32] <sadistic_kitten> swapon -a?
[01:32] <nino> sadistic_kitten: sudo mount -a
[01:33] <rocka> i know it is a silly question
[01:33] <nino> sadistic_kitten: remount everything in fstab = mount -a
[01:33] <sadistic_kitten> k
[01:33] <rocka> but what is faster, kde or gnome ?
[01:33] <sadistic_kitten> I did
[01:33] <sadistic_kitten> probably gnome
[01:33] <apokryphos> rocka: don't trust anyone's answer :)
[01:34] <nino> sadistic_kitten: mabe you need a boot donno with swap?
[01:34] <sadistic_kitten> rocka: I use kde cause I like it, but I think gnome might be faster.
[01:34] <sadistic_kitten> nino: reboot ?
[01:34] <nino> sadistic_kitten: lets try that!!!
[01:34] <sadistic_kitten> k
[01:34] <sadistic_kitten> brb
[01:34] <nino> sadistic_kitten: goodluck
[01:38] <zenga>     
[01:38] <zenga>    
[01:38] <zenga>    
[01:38] <zenga>   
[01:39] <scheuri> anyone using 3Ware controllers (9550 or 9650) with 6.06 Dapper (32bit) and having issues?
[01:39] <scheuri> wow, I love UTF-8...no idea what zenga was talking about, but I saw the wirting
[01:39] <sadistic_kitten> nope
[01:39] <sadistic_kitten> didn't work
[01:40] <sadistic_kitten> I don't think fstab is the prob
[01:41] <rocka> lol kubuntu seens a bit slower to boot than gnome, but the desktop is a lot faster
[01:42] <houssem> how to see my computers activities on my network ?
[01:42] <nino> sadistic_kitten: damn well that was my idea, i would suggest edditing the partion tables and deleting and creating a new swap then, but that can be dangerous!!
[01:43] <sadistic_kitten> ok, what's the worst that can happen?
[01:43] <nino> sadistic_kitten: if you delete your root partition!!
[01:43] <rocka> i am having problems with the system clock, it is ahead 200 seconds per day... is it a problem with the bateries ?
[01:44] <sadistic_kitten> I think I can distinguish between the two
[01:44] <visik7> is there a way to get a packetized version of ipw3945 (eg via module-assistant) without restricted?
[01:45] <nino> sadistic_kitten: i am only fimiliar with gparted, have you got that installed?
[01:45] <sadistic_kitten> I dunno
[01:45] <sadistic_kitten> hold on I'm talking to other people
[01:46] <nino> sadistic_kitten: ok cool
[01:47] <houssem> please how to monitor all activities on my network ?
[01:54] <houssem> halloooo ???!!!!!
[01:54] <houssem> anyone here ??
[01:54] <rocka> no, you are seeing 300 bots
[01:54] <rocka> why ?
[01:55] <houssem> i want a program to monitor my network activities
[01:55] <sadistic_kitten> so nino
[01:55] <sadistic_kitten> guess what
[01:55] <rocka> houssem apt-get install iptraf
[01:55] <sadistic_kitten> swap is now working :P
[01:56] <houssem> rocka: thnks
[01:57] <houssem> rocka:  it can report all activies done by all computers on my LAN ?
[01:57] <sadistic_kitten> nino: swap is working :P
[01:57] <Schalken> which linux-restricted-modules package do i need to download to install the nvidia drivers?
[01:58] <sadistic_kitten> nino: this is what someone told me to use
[01:58] <sadistic_kitten> sudo mkswap /dev/sda1 ; swapon /dev/sda1
[01:58] <sadistic_kitten> and it just worked
[01:59] <sadistic_kitten> I am very pleased and am now off to bed, thanks for your help anyway
[02:00] <j2daosh> say i want to have my kids log in on the edubuntu session... is there a config i can set that will automatically log them into that when they log in?
[02:01] <salman> hi
[02:01] <j2daosh> hey
[02:01] <ubuntu> hi
[02:01] <salman> ho
[02:01] <ubuntu> it's Voker57 ;)
[02:01] <abattoir> j2daosh: i think edubuntu uses GDM, i'm not sure where GDM's configurations can be changed, can you try asking in #ubuntu or #edubuntu?
[02:02] <j2daosh> ty
[02:07] <ubuntu_> hello .. i am new to kubuntu and i want to import the media from my windows partition into the kubuntu partition. Can anybody help meoooon how to do this?
[02:07] <abattoir> ubuntu_: what type of media?
[02:08] <abattoir> ubuntu_: you can mount the partition(if it already isn't mounted) and just copy stuff over
[02:08] <ubuntu_> how can i mount it?
[02:08] <ubuntu_> can u point me to some resource?
[02:08] <abattoir> ubuntu_: type media:/ in konqueror
[02:08] <abattoir> ubuntu_: do you see your windows partition?
[02:09] <ubuntu_> no!
[02:09] <abattoir> ubuntu_: you see nothing? and what is the fs type for your windows partition, ntfs?
[02:09] <ubuntu_> yes
[02:09] <abattoir> ubuntu_: yes for what? you see nothing? ntfs?
[02:10] <ubuntu_> ntfs and i see nothing ..
[02:10] <ubuntu_> yes for both
[02:11] <abattoir> ubuntu_: hmm you are in the live cd?
[02:11] <[GuS] > Bonjour...
[02:11] <ubuntu_> yes i am
[02:12] <ubuntu_> so is that not possible from the live cd?
[02:12] <abattoir> ubuntu_: SATA by any chance? and could you briefly tell me your partition layout?
[02:12] <abattoir> ubuntu_: no it's possible
[02:13] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu_: If you want to do that you would have to use knoppix / kanotix
[02:14] <ubuntu_> hey ... i forgot to mention .. i was following a blog from the net and am using the vmvare software to get used to kubuntu .. is it possible to test how my media will play in kubuntu?
[02:14] <abattoir> ubuntu_: oh no wonder then, you can use the live cd to 'test run' kubuntu w/o virtualization
[02:15] <ubuntu_> so it does not mess up my windows?
[02:15] <abattoir> ubuntu_: no, you just put the cd in your computer, and boot off it, you can access your windows files etc., but ofcourse that's only for 'getting a feel' of it or for installation
[02:16] <abattoir> ubuntu_: during installation, if you partition properly, kubuntu will automatically detect your windows installation and create a multiboot scenario
[02:16] <abattoir> ubuntu_: so when you start your computer you'll be asked if you want to use windows or kubuntu
[02:17] <ubuntu_> cool .. one more question though..
[02:18] <abattoir> ubuntu_: sure, ask
[02:18] <ubuntu_> i have an unpartitioned dell laptop with 100gb hard disk. can some how make two partitions on it so that my windows remians the same and i will be able to install kubuntu on the new partition created?
[02:18] <ubuntu_> can i*
[02:18] <abattoir> ubuntu_: yes it's possible
[02:18] <nino> ubuntu_ : yes
[02:19] <ubuntu_> can i know how?
[02:19] <abattoir> ubuntu_: you can either use a windows tool to partition before hand, or you can use the kubuntu installer to do it before it installs kubuntu
[02:19] <aleale> hi, I need help configuring a wireless with two router, the first router has the dsl connection, the second on is the wireless one, I attach the dsl router to the wireless router in the wan port and I attach the notebook to the wireless router, but I canno have internet... someone can help me?
[02:20] <ubuntu_> so if i got this right .. a partition will be made when i am installing kubuntu . . and i will have my windows functioning normally .. with out any loss of data?
[02:21] <nino> ubuntu_ : thats right
[02:21] <abattoir> ubuntu_: when you get to the partitioning stage of the installation, read the instructions carefully, make sure you choose to partition manually(the default option is to wipe your harddisk)
[02:22] <abattoir> ubuntu_: once you select the 'Manually Partition...' option, you'd be asked to allocate space for kubuntu
[02:22] <aleale> anyon?
[02:22] <ubuntu_> can i know how that is possible? aren't the files scattered throughout the disk?
[02:23] <ubuntu_> i have 40 gb free so can i use 30 gb of free space from that for kubuntu?
[02:23] <rocka> kubuntu didnt detect the swap partition ...
[02:23] <rocka> ubotu_ 2.4gb minimum
[02:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 2.4gb minimum - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:24] <nino> rocka: u haven trouble with swap?
[02:24] <abattoir> ubuntu_: you could defragment it if you want to, but i'm not sure if it's necessary for ntfs. Yes, you can do that
[02:25] <rahmetli> is it possible to get some rss feed as screensaver on kubuntu?
[02:25] <rocka> nino setup didnt detect swap
[02:25] <nino> rocka: u done installing the system?
[02:25] <drarem> yep, had to log off and back on to see a ton of stuff i've been installing
[02:25] <ubuntu_> ohh .. its cool then .. i will definitely do that now .. and if there are problems .. i know where to ask ..
[02:25] <ubuntu_> thanks again guys ..
[02:26] <rocka> nino it says install crashed
[02:26] <nino> ubuntu : read carefully!!
[02:26] <aleale> hi, I need help configuring a wireless with two router, the first router has the dsl connection, the second on is the wireless one, I attach the dsl router to the wireless router in the wan port and I attach the notebook to the wireless router, but I canno have internet... someone can help me?
[02:26] <rocka> nino i tried it on vmware, i will post a SS of the crash
[02:26] <aleale> I don't have internet connection at all with two routers
[02:27] <nino> ubuntu : donno about vmware and swap!!
[02:27] <rahmetli> is it possible to get some rss feed as screensaver on kubuntu?
[02:27] <h3sp4wn> aleale: what routers ?
[02:27] <drarem> why two routers - out of ports?
[02:27] <aleale> h3sp4wn: I have one router with dsl modem inside
[02:27] <aleale> and i connected it to a wireless router throught wan port
[02:27] <aleale> is it correct?
[02:28] <h3sp4wn> Depends
[02:28] <nino> rocka: vmware and swap, dont know how compatible it is??
[02:28] <rocka> it worked just fine with debian
[02:28] <aleale> h3sp4wn: I want that router wireless take internet from the other router and give it to the clients connected to it
[02:29] <h3sp4wn> aleale: depends on whether the router has decent firmware or not
[02:29] <h3sp4wn> aleale: what you can do
[02:29] <nino> rocka: mabe try install without swap and create a swap after, that i can help you with!!
[02:29] <aleale> h3sp4wn: do you mean the wirelesee one?
[02:29] <h3sp4wn> aleale: either
[02:29] <h3sp4wn> aleale: Ideally both
[02:30] <nino> rocka: sudo mkswap /dev/"your Hardrive"
[02:30] <FuriousGeorge> hey all.  i usually use gentoo, and have very little debian-like-distro experience, so bear with me...
[02:30] <aleale> the dsl one is a Pirelli netgate voip
[02:30] <h3sp4wn> rocka: if you do the above it will make swap on your whole harddrive
[02:30] <aleale> but with a branded firmware
[02:31] <rocka> http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/6561/kubuntucrashth2.jpg
[02:31] <aleale> tell me what I have to do I can see if is it possible
[02:31] <h3sp4wn> aleale: I don't know other than with linux based firmwares
[02:31] <nino> rocka: sorry that partition that you wanna swap
[02:31] <FuriousGeorge> im following beryl wiki guide to installing their wm, and ive added their servers to my server.lst file, synched my package management db, then tried to apt get beryl, and got a "no such package"
[02:31] <FuriousGeorge> is there something i need to do besides messing with my repositories so that apt get will find the package?
[02:31] <nino> h3sp4wn: sorry bout that one
[02:32] <rocka> nino http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/6561/kubuntucrashth2.jpg
[02:32] <abattoir> FuriousGeorge: i hope you added it to /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:32] <Soldier1991> Hi.
[02:32] <abattoir> FuriousGeorge: if you did that, did you run 'sudo apt-get update' ?
[02:32] <h3sp4wn> nino: Wouldn't affect me but potential for some damage
[02:33] <aleale> h3sp4wn: ok, then tell me if is it ok->router with internet should go to the wan link in the wireless router isn't?
[02:33] <FuriousGeorge> abattoir: you thats what i meant not server.lst, but sources.list
[02:33] <h3sp4wn> aleale: why wan link the wan link is the adsl modem
[02:33] <nino> h3sp4wn: yea it would make that whole partition swap, dint think there !!
[02:33] <dude_> hello guys !
[02:33] <Soldier1991> I recently installed kubuntu with my ati radeon 9250, i tried the tutorial on how to install it, but it didn't seem like it worked for me, or the drivers don't support my graphics card.
[02:33] <abattoir> FuriousGeorge: and which architecture?
[02:33] <FuriousGeorge> abattoir: yeah i added deb http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz dapper main aiglx and another host there
[02:34] <aleale> h3sp4wn: ah ok so in the switch link?
[02:34] <dude_> abattoir !
[02:34] <FuriousGeorge> abattoir: x86_64
[02:34] <Soldier1991> Any ideas?
[02:34] <aleale> but the router is also an adsl modem
[02:34] <Soldier1991> I always get this fatal error 101 or something everytime i try to startx.
[02:34] <abattoir> FuriousGeorge: oh no wonder, i think you need dapper-amd64, wait let me confirm
[02:34] <nino> rocka: xfs filesystem??
[02:34] <rocka> nino did you see the image ?
[02:34] <abattoir> hello dude_
[02:34] <rocka> yes
[02:35] <Soldier1991> Please help.
[02:35] <h3sp4wn> aleale: You probably want the wifi clients bridged into the main routers switch (no idea how to that on {some random closed firmware}
[02:35] <drarem> for dialog editing and c/c++ ide, what is a recommended tool
[02:35] <nino> rocka: any reason for xfs filesystem??
[02:35] <rocka> is not it fast ?
[02:35] <FuriousGeorge> abattoir: if you are refering to the "flavor" of kubuntu, thats the one i chose
[02:35] <abattoir> FuriousGeorge: no, i think you need to specify the arch. as well
[02:35] <nino> rocka: ext3 just as good
[02:35] <h3sp4wn> aleale: really you want to reconfigure your wan port so it is just another switch port otherwise its wasted
[02:36] <rocka> nino i saw some benchmarks, ext3 is not so good :b
[02:36] <faLUCE_> drarem gtk+ (c), gtkmm (c++) glade (both)
[02:36] <aldin> why are font bigger after apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[02:36] <faLUCE_> glade is the ide
[02:36] <aldin> *fonts
[02:36] <abattoir> FuriousGeorge: i have 'deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/ edgy main-edgy main-edgy-amd64'
[02:36] <aldin> dpi?
[02:36] <drarem> thanks
[02:36] <abattoir> FuriousGeorge: i guess you'll need to change edgy to dapper
[02:36] <faLUCE_> (for gui)
[02:36] <Soldier1991> Okay, I really need help with this.
[02:37] <nino> rocka: well i run it on surveilance system 400gig on gigabit ip cams and no problem!!
[02:37] <aldin> why are font bigger after apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx + xorg.conf Driver "fglrx"
[02:37] <h3sp4wn> aleale: You only want the dhcp server working on the adsl router - (then because of the wifi bridged into the first switch all clients will use that)
[02:37] <BluesKaj> Howdy All!
[02:37] <h3sp4wn> aleale: But there are at least four of 5 different ways to do it
[02:37] <rocka> nino is the filesystem the cause of my problem ?
[02:38] <aleale> h3sp4wn: ok
[02:38] <nino> rocka: ok mabe we should try and make 2 partitions xfs and anyting else to make swap later??
[02:38] <aleale> it works attaching all to the switch to the wirelesee router
[02:38] <Soldier1991> Okay?
[02:38] <Soldier1991> I recently installed kubuntu with my ati radeon 9250, i tried the tutorial on how to install it, but it didn't seem like it worked for me, or the drivers don't support my graphics card.
[02:38] <nino> rocka: can you edit the partitions manualy??
[02:38] <Soldier1991> I always get this fatal error 101 or something everytime i try to startx.
[02:38] <h3sp4wn> aleale: Are all the clients wireless ?
[02:39] <aleale> h3sp4wn: no, I attached the pc AND the other router to the switch in the router wireless
[02:39] <aleale> and it works!
[02:39] <nino> rocka: so make xfs the big one for all the files
[02:39] <aleale> ok now I have to configure my wireless pcmpci card
[02:40] <BluesKaj> aldin, check your screen resolution in /systemsettings/monitor&display/size
[02:41] <h3sp4wn> aleale: I think you should consider what you are actually doing first if you have 2 dhcp servers running on the same subnet you will have problems
[02:42] <FuriousGeorge> abattoir: i think i need to change the installation to edgy...  is that what you meant?  i dont believe there is a repository for dapper-amd64
[02:42] <aldin> BluesKaj: what do u mean exactly, on font size or..
[02:42] <aleale> h3sp4wn: yes one should be disabled
[02:43] <abattoir> FuriousGeorge: no i just said you might need to change 'edgy' to 'dapper' in the entry that i pasted
[02:43] <abattoir> FuriousGeorge: i had to append edgy-main-amd64 for it to recognize amd64 packages
[02:43] <FuriousGeorge> abattoir: i tried that and apt-gett update complained about it
[02:43] <abattoir> FuriousGeorge: wait a sec
[02:45] <leleobhz> hello all
[02:45] <leleobhz> ive tried to install kubuntu on my note
[02:45] <leleobhz> and on the partition secction
[02:46] <leleobhz> ive destroyed an xfs partition to make root
[02:46] <abattoir> FuriousGeorge: http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/
[02:46] <BluesKaj> no aldin , your scren res may have been reset to a lower res after installing/upgrading the drivers
[02:46] <leleobhz> but they show the label of partition on hda7 (my old home)
[02:46] <abattoir> FuriousGeorge: it's main-amd64
[02:46] <leleobhz> and hda6 as unknown
[02:46] <leleobhz> and my home doesnt mount
[02:46] <h3sp4wn> leleobhz: alternative cd should be able to install to xfs (definately with an ext3 /boot anyway)
[02:46] <leleobhz> h3sp4wn: i dont want to install at xfs
[02:46] <aleale2> ok I have an asus wl-100g
[02:47] <leleobhz> ive removed one to put ext3
[02:47] <leleobhz> but it makes it on another partition
[02:47] <h3sp4wn> ext3 is slow
[02:47] <FuriousGeorge> abattoir: i was looking at that page before where do you see main-amd64?
[02:47] <leleobhz> whatever....
[02:47] <leleobhz> h3sp4wn: my problem isnt the fs
[02:47] <FuriousGeorge> abattoir: it says If you use amd64, add ' main-edgy-amd64' to the end of the line (so it reads 'main-edgy main-edgy-amd64')
[02:47] <leleobhz> is my hda7 are damaged
[02:47] <abattoir> FuriousGeorge: the last line in DAPPER DRAKE instructions
[02:47] <leleobhz> and its my home on another distro
[02:47] <leleobhz> and i need it
[02:47] <abattoir> FuriousGeorge: that's for edgy, look above
[02:48] <leleobhz> so, how can i recover it?
[02:48] <FuriousGeorge> abattoir: my bad, i saw the url and thought that one was for compiz
[02:48] <h3sp4wn> leleobhz: so hda7 is not a filesystem ? (I don't understand)
[02:48] <FuriousGeorge> brain fart
[02:48] <aleale2> h3sp4wn: how can _I understand if my wireless card is recognized? kubuntu has added eth1 to the networks
[02:48] <h3sp4wn> aleale2: iwlist eth1 scan
[02:48] <abattoir> FuriousGeorge: you were asking for beryl weren't you?
[02:49] <aleale2> no scan results, leds are off in the pcmpci
[02:49] <h3sp4wn> aleale2: Maybe it needs firmware
[02:49] <h3sp4wn> aleale2: what chipset is it ?
[02:50] <leleobhz> h3sp4wn: seee
[02:50] <leleobhz> hda7 == /home (on another system)
[02:50] <leleobhz> hda6 == xfs partition - target for ext3 for another distro
[02:50] <h3sp4wn> with a damaged filesystem
[02:50] <leleobhz> notting
[02:50] <leleobhz> all normal
[02:50] <leleobhz> however
[02:50] <h3sp4wn> leleobhz> h3sp4wn: my problem isnt the fs == exactly a problem with the filesystem on hda7
[02:51] <leleobhz> after the hda6 format as ext3
[02:51] <leleobhz> it have damaged the hda7
[02:51] <h3sp4wn> I doubt it
[02:51] <leleobhz> setting the label and now i cant mount it
[02:51] <aleale2> h3sp4wn: how can I check it?
[02:51] <h3sp4wn> leleobhz: is hda7 xfs ?
[02:52] <h3sp4wn> aleale2: card model and manufacturer and google
[02:52] <leleobhz> not
[02:52] <leleobhz> !
[02:52] <leleobhz> hda7 is ext3 with myu home
[02:53] <h3sp4wn> sudo mount /dev/hda7 /mnt does not work ?
[02:53] <h3sp4wn> run fsck
[02:55] <aleale2> h3sp4wn: with kubuntu only wep is possible? not also wpa2?
[02:55] <h3sp4wn> aleale2: zcat /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz | less
[02:55] <drarem> i just deleted about 5Gb of stuff, do i need to do a defrag and if so how
[02:56] <FuriousGeorge> abattoir: apt get doesnt complain but same error.  mind taking a look at this?  http://www.patebin.ca/242598    <---  thats what it looks like on my end
[02:56] <h3sp4wn> drarem: Shouldn't need to (but you can defrag if you first convert ext3 to ext2 and then use e2defrag
[02:56] <Linux_Galore> drarem: this a Linux or windows partition
[02:56] <Linux_Galore> you dont defrag ext3
[02:57] <drarem> linux
[02:57] <Linux_Galore> drarem: dont worry about it
[02:57] <FuriousGeorge> abattoir: * i meant http://www.pastebin.ca/242598
[02:57] <drarem>  /dev/hda2 - deleted from my $HOME folder
[02:57] <drarem> ok thanks
[02:57] <drarem> $HOME path
[02:58] <h3sp4wn> drarem: if you really want to (I have once when I had a 320gb partition which has been completely rammed for half a year) turn off the journal and use e2defrag
[02:59] <aldin> BluesKaj: no, my resolution is same as it was, but after installing an putting fglrx on kubuntu my fonts are bit bigger
[02:59] <aleale2> h3sp4wn: Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[02:59] <h3sp4wn> !bcm43xx
[02:59] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:59] <BluesKaj> just a bit ...that's not so bad
[02:59] <h3sp4wn> aleale2: You need the firmware
[03:00] <Schalken> What I try to run a certain Amarok lyric script it says "You need one of QtRuby, RubyGTK or TkRuby to run this program" but I cant find any of those in the repos. Can someone point me in the right direction?
[03:00] <Linux_Galore> aldin: is because the sync rate has changed a bit
[03:00] <aldin> BluesKaj: but do u know why
[03:00] <h3sp4wn> aleale2: use the bcm43xx link - (and download the firmware for edgy - (don't try to use fwcutter as it won't work on 2.6.17 kernels)
[03:00] <aldin> i havent changed anything but fglr except ati in xorg.conf file
[03:01] <aldin> *ati->fglrx
[03:01] <Linux_Galore> aldin: the driver has a different default sync speed, I get the same with nvidia
[03:01] <h3sp4wn> aldin: One or the other may have had composite enabled
[03:01] <aldin> i am using LCD on laptop so sync doesn matter
[03:01] <Linux_Galore> aldin: just adjust you fonts to suite
[03:01] <BluesKaj> no aldin, sorry
[03:02] <ubuntu> hi
[03:02] <aldin> note on ubuntu it is not changing only on kubuntu?
[03:02] <ubuntu> how to check a disk in kubuntu?
[03:02] <aldin> ubuntu: df -Th
[03:02] <ubuntu> um
[03:02] <ubuntu> where to write it
[03:02] <aldin> konsole
[03:02] <Linux_Galore> aldin: ubuntu and kubuntu are the same base system, even Xorg is exactly the same
[03:03] <aldin> Linux_Galore: i know that bothers me
[03:03] <abattoir> FuriousGeorge: i'm not sure if you need to add aiglx as well, after main and main-amd64
[03:03] <aldin> do u know any file which xolds info about dpi?
[03:03] <ubuntu> and what then
[03:03] <aldin> of fonts
[03:03] <ubuntu> id displays a bunch of things
[03:03] <abattoir> FuriousGeorge: i think someone at #ubuntu-xgl or #beryl might be able to assist you better
[03:03] <aldin> ubuntu: what exactly u want to check size etc
[03:03] <aleale2> h3sp4wn: so I have to run the script?
[03:03] <abattoir> FuriousGeorge: from what i can see it seems right
[03:03] <Linux_Galore> aldin: you may have a different default dpi setting in kde, dont forget kde 3.5.5 can over ride some of the defaults in xorg
[03:04] <FuriousGeorge> abattoir: thanks for your help
[03:04] <ubuntu> i want to check disk for errors
[03:04] <aldin> once i foiund in mandriva file which keeps fonts dpi configuration u could put 75 or 96
[03:04] <h3sp4wn> aleale2: You have to read the docs#
[03:05] <Linux_Galore> aldin: thats the system default but kde can do its own thing
[03:05] <h3sp4wn> aleale2: Ask me specific questions about the documentation I will answer
[03:05] <aldin> how do we change it in kde
[03:05] <ubuntu> hey aldin
[03:05] <Linux_Galore> aldin: should be in kcontrol
[03:05] <aldin> system kinfocenter
[03:05] <dude_> abattoir: can i play warcraft in kubuntu?
[03:05] <aldin> xserver says
[03:05] <ubuntu> how to check a disk for errors??
[03:05] <aldin> 115
[03:06] <aldin> ubuntu: sorry i dont know chkdisk
[03:06] <aldin> perhaps chkdisk
[03:06] <aldin> 118x115
[03:06] <abattoir> dude_: i think you can w/ wine
[03:06] <Linux_Galore> Im out
[03:06] <aldin> and on 3d driver was 75x75
[03:06] <ubuntu> there is no such a command
[03:06] <abattoir> dude_: not sure though
[03:07] <aldin> *pardon on at standard 2D driver was 75X75
[03:07] <leleobhz> someone have any idea/
[03:07] <leleobhz> my system now: http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/2394/foto110706001vt6.jpg
[03:07] <aldin> now with fglrx in xorg.conf i have 118x115
[03:08] <aldin> now with fglrx in xorg.conf i have kinfocentar shows 118x115
[03:08] <aleale2> h3sp4wn: you give me a link that say to install the fwcutter, but you say to not do it... so?
[03:08] <aldin> how do i "down" it on 75x75
[03:09] <Tm_T> Soldier1991: You should not irc as root.
[03:10] <Tm_T> Or do anything you don't have to.
[03:10] <Soldier1991> How about now?
[03:10] <Soldier1991> I kniow.
[03:10] <nino> :)
[03:10] <Tm_T> Soldier1991: No, changing nick doesn't change rights in your system. ;)
[03:10] <Soldier1991> So how do I change my name?
[03:10] <dude_> abattoir: can i load an mp3 using katapult?
[03:11] <Tm_T> Soldier1991: Don't run irc client as root? ;)
[03:11] <letalis> good morning all
[03:11] <Tm_T> Login to your system as normal user and then launch the client. ;)
[03:11] <nino> good afternoon
[03:11] <abattoir> dude_: there were some amarok-katapult issues, i don't know if they've been fixed yet
[03:11] <abattoir> dude_: someone at #katapult may know
[03:12] <aldin> kinfocentar shows 118x115 dpi with fglrx driver i want to put it on 75x75, anyone knows how?
[03:12] <Tm_T> Btw hi kids.
[03:12] <dude_> abattoir: ok, what is KDE (the K Desktop Environment)
[03:12] <aldin> * kinfocenter ->xserver
[03:13] <letalis> yeah there are actually servers thatll bootkick your you know what of of an irc server for having root as your username
[03:13] <letalis> lol
[03:13] <abattoir> hi uncle Tm_T :)
[03:13] <abattoir> :P
[03:13] <Tm_T> letalis: Yup, and that's reasonable.
[03:13] <dude_> abattoir: why is it not installed? i check that in adept
[03:13] <abattoir> dude_: you are serious?
[03:13] <letalis> besides, its stupid.
[03:13] <abattoir> dude_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE
[03:14] <dude_> abattoir: oh god, sorry...heheheh
[03:14] <abattoir> dude_: Kubuntu uses KDE while Ubuntu uses GNOME
[03:14] <Paradox^> i get an error msg when i try to activate my nvidia drivers:
[03:14] <Paradox^> tomas@tomas:~$ sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[03:14] <Paradox^> Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed
[03:14] <Paradox^> the nvidia driver for your running kernel.
[03:14] <abattoir> dude_: that's where the K comes from
[03:14] <Paradox^> how can i fix that?
[03:14] <dude_> abattoir: oh god, sorry...heheheh
[03:14] <dude_> abattoir: wrong question
[03:14] <dude_> :)
[03:15] <instructor> ok this is strange. My Ethernet cards keep jumping back and forth
[03:15] <orville> has anyone here got a macbook pro and gotten mouseemu to work?
[03:21] <Soldier1991> Hello.
[03:22] <Soldier1991> I just wanted to know, how do I make a new account and log in as the account I created?
[03:22] <instructor> from command line sudo adduser
[03:22] <nino> Soldier1991: (n=root@ool-44c76d4b.dyn.optonline.net). lol
[03:22] <Soldier1991> Don't try to trick me now.
[03:23] <nino> Soldier1991:o sorry thought you already created a account
[03:23] <Soldier1991> I did.
[03:23] <Soldier1991> But I want to log in as it.
[03:23] <Soldier1991> Not as root.
[03:24] <Soldier1991> ANy ideas?
[03:24] <Soldier1991> I want to log in as the created account.
[03:24] <Soldier1991> Not as root.
[03:24] <h3sp4wn> You need to make sure its in the default groups
[03:25] <Soldier1991> How?
[03:25] <h3sp4wn> see the EXTRA_GROUPS= option in /etc/adduser.conf
[03:26] <Soldier1991> I can;t find it.
[03:26] <taess> hola
[03:27] <Soldier1991> The extra group
[03:27] <taess> alguno habla espaol?
[03:27] <Soldier1991> Si.
[03:27] <h3sp4wn> Soldier1991: right at the bottom of the file
[03:27] <dude_> jucato !
[03:27] <Jucato> hi dude_
[03:28] <Soldier1991> Nope, nowhere,
[03:28] <taess> hola soldier
[03:28] <taess> quera hacer una pregunta
[03:28] <taess> pero no sabia si era solo ingles
[03:28] <Jucato> !es
[03:28] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[03:28] <taess> ah ok
[03:28] <Soldier1991> I don't see anything that says extra groups in the file.
[03:28] <Soldier1991> Do I have to create it?
[03:29] <h3sp4wn> Or see which groups the user created during the install is in and add the new user to those using vigr and vipw
[03:30] <Soldier1991> That was confusing.
[03:30] <Soldier1991> Is there a way I can enable the log in screen?
[03:30] <ehamberg> What is default on (K)ubuntu Edgy, upstart or sysvinit?
[03:30] <h3sp4wn> Soldier1991: I don't know why you enabled root anyway
[03:30] <h3sp4wn> ehamberg: upstart
[03:30] <Soldier1991> I didn;t.
[03:30] <h3sp4wn> !sudo
[03:30] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:30] <h3sp4wn> !root
[03:31] <h3sp4wn> Soldier1991: How did you install ?
[03:31] <enotee> how do you start compiz
[03:31] <h3sp4wn> compiz --replace &
[03:31] <Soldier1991> I installed it with the extra space on my hard drive,
[03:31] <Soldier1991> I created a new partition.
[03:31] <Soldier1991> The it installed itself.
[03:31] <Soldier1991> After that, It told me to enter the username.
[03:32] <Soldier1991> And the password.
[03:32] <h3sp4wn> and you entered root ?
[03:32] <Soldier1991> BNut I can't log in like tghat.
[03:32] <h3sp4wn> I still don't understand how it got so you could login as root
[03:32] <ehamberg> h3sp4wn: So how come adept update manager wants to remove upstart?
[03:32] <h3sp4wn> ehamberg: No idea does aptitude want to remove it ?
[03:33] <dude_> abattoir: are you there?
[03:33] <abattoir> dude_: yes
[03:33] <aleale2> h3sp4wn: ok wireless card is ok, the problem now is configuring the wep key, I have putted the manual configuration into network preferences but no works
[03:33] <aleale2> I have read the bug in edgy for wireless, can I be affected?
[03:34] <dude_> abattoir: question, have you tried connecting ubuntu in active directory of windows server?
[03:34] <instructor> how do I convert a text file to be read on Windows?
[03:34] <abattoir> dude_: no
[03:34] <dude_> abattoir: is it possible?
[03:34] <abattoir> instructor: open it w/ notepad
[03:34] <abattoir> dude_: i'm sorry, i don't know
[03:34] <aleale2> I have no used the dhcp server
[03:35] <dude_> abattoir: ok, thanks
[03:35] <ehamberg> h3sp4wn: Doesn't look like it. Weird...
[03:35] <aleale2> the wireless router say I'm connected
[03:35] <aleale2> but "air" led is off
[03:35] <aleale2> in the pcmci
[03:35] <Dink> Anyone know if there is a feisty channel yet ?
[03:37] <kimmern> Can anyone please help me with this? I think this is why my laptop crashes all the time: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1726172#post1726172
[03:37] <xsacha> Dink: ubuntu+1 ?
[03:38] <Lam_> does KDE have a lost+found folder?  i'm not sure if it is an ext3 thing or a gnome thing
[03:38] <nickenyfiken> i have a problem with Ktorrent, its always stalled and Tracker Status is "Invalid response". Anyone got a clue?
[03:38] <Jucato> it's a Linux thing, afaik, Lam_
[03:38] <Lam_> Jucato: ok thanks. i won't try to remove it then
[03:39] <JohnFlux_> kimmern: i can't think why that would crash your computer
[03:39] <Triple{X}> Lam_: if your system crashes and your filesystem is damaged, the fragments of files that couldn't be recovered are saved in lost+found
[03:39] <aleale2> h3sp4wn: when a card is recognized all i need is configuring it in network prefs isn't?
[03:39] <JohnFlux_> kimmern: run system settings  on the k menu
[03:40] <JohnFlux_> kimmern: and go to the network module
[03:40] <Lam_> Triple{X}: thanks for the info. i'll keep that in mind
[03:40] <kimmern> JohnFlux_: I can't see that there could be anything else..that's always the last thing in the log before it crashes..and i've tried to close all programs, but still atfter a while it crashes...
[03:41] <Triple{X}> Lam_: Normally you don't need to worry about that though
[03:41] <kimmern> JohnFlux_:ok, i'm in..
[03:41] <h3sp4wn> aleale2: use the wpasupplicant document (all the gui stuff will just give you problems)
[03:41] <h3sp4wn> aleale2: the bcm43xx driver is not that stable as it is
[03:41] <JohnFlux_> kimmern: then just edit the properties for eth0 and make sure the checkbox for start automatically is turned off
[03:41] <JohnFlux_> kimmern: then disable that device
[03:41] <soldier174> Okay,.
[03:41] <aleale2> h3sp4wn: I have switched to wep
[03:41] <kimmern> JohnFlux_: ok, thanks!
[03:41] <soldier174> I still don't know how to enable the log in screen.
[03:41] <h3sp4wn> aleale2: wep is useless
[03:42] <JohnFlux_> aleale2: like h3sp4wn says - wep is trivial to crack
[03:42] <h3sp4wn> aleale2: run aircrack-ng (and it will prove to you just how useless it is)
[03:43] <soldier174> Any ideas?
[03:43] <dhuv> hello all
[03:43] <h3sp4wn> soldier174: What log ?
[03:43] <soldier174> You know when you have to log in to get into the desktop?
[03:43] <kimmern> JohnFlux_: ok, stupid problem here, but when I press the "Administrator mode" button, the box just get a red empty frame...
[03:43] <h3sp4wn> what is that to with screen
[03:43] <h3sp4wn>  ?
[03:44] <soldier174> I can't do that with the account I created.
[03:44] <soldier174> I want to log in with the account I created.
[03:44] <dhuv> I have installed kubuntu 6.10 on my T42 last night and it works great, everything works, the icons are nicer, the defaults make more sense, great distro.
[03:44] <soldier174> Not as root.
[03:44] <JohnFlux_> kimmern: check if theres a window behind
[03:44] <JohnFlux_> kimmern: there should be a dialog box asking for the password
[03:45] <soldier174> Please help.
[03:45] <aleale2> H
[03:45] <kimmern> JohnFlux_: There's nothing...tried a couple of times..maybe i'll just restart and try..?
[03:45] <aleale2> JohnFlux: I know...
[03:45] <JohnFlux_> kimmern:  :/
[03:45] <hastesaver> soldier174, you can't login as root. You shouldn't do that; it's very dangerous
[03:46] <JohnFlux_> kimmern:  i dont know
[03:46] <dhuv> I had Debian testing installed previously and I used debian-multimedia.org for multimedia packages like codecs and players, does kubuntu have anything similar?
[03:46] <soldier174> I know.
[03:46] <Jucato> !codecs | dhuv
[03:46] <ubotu> dhuv: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:46] <instructor> Dink: #ubuntu+1
[03:46] <soldier174> I want to login as the account I created.
[03:46] <instructor> how do I convert a text file to be read on Windows?
[03:46] <JohnFlux_> soldier174: so what happens when you try?
[03:46] <instructor> abattoir: Funny :)
[03:46] <h3sp4wn> soldier174: add something like EXTRA_GROUPS="dialout cdrom floppy audio src video lp users uml-run" (and then when you call adduser call it like - sudo adduser --add_extra_groups username
[03:46] <soldier174> But I can't, don't know how to enable the log in screen.
[03:47] <soldier174> Where?
[03:47] <JohnFlux_> instructor: a plain text file?  you can open in edit in windows
[03:47] <JohnFlux_> instructor: then save it again ;)
[03:47] <hastesaver> soldier174, what do you mean? does it log you in to some other account by default?
[03:47] <soldier174> Yes.
[03:47] <soldier174> By root.
[03:47] <soldier174> It won't let me choose what login name i want to login as.
[03:47] <abattoir> instructor: ???
[03:48] <soldier174> Just sends me directly to the kde desktop.
[03:48] <JohnFlux_> soldier174: oh you have some sort of auto-login
[03:48] <hastesaver> soldier174, you mean it automatically logs you in as root?!
[03:48] <soldier174> Yes.
[03:48] <soldier174> Exactly.
[03:48] <instructor> JohnFlux_: But it looks messed up
[03:48] <h3sp4wn> soldier174: run ``getent passwd | awk 'BEGIN { FS = ":"; } /:x:1[0-9] [0-9] [0-9] :/ { print $1; }'''
[03:48] <h3sp4wn> soldier174: run ``getent passwd | awk 'BEGIN { FS = ":"; } /:x:1[0-9] [0-9] [0-9] :/ { print $1; }''
[03:48] <soldier174> Damn whwere?
[03:48] <instructor> abattoir: open it in noteppad?
[03:48] <soldier174> Lol.
[03:48] <Emess> hey, whens a good point to move to feisty?
[03:48] <h3sp4wn> soldier174: konsole or terminal doesn't matter
[03:49] <abattoir> instructor: yes, i wasn't joking, you'd lose formatting obv., but it'll work
[03:49] <soldier174> Exactly how it is?
[03:49] <h3sp4wn> Emess: When the repos open is the most interesting time
[03:49] <JohnFlux_> instructor: it looks messed up even in edit in windows?
[03:49] <soldier174> Okay.
[03:49] <soldier174> Now what do I do?
[03:49] <h3sp4wn> soldier174: no output ?
[03:49] <soldier174> I'm in a line that is ">"
[03:50] <hastesaver> h3sp4wn, are you using erc or something? Or do you type those `` ' ' quotes out of habit? :-)
[03:50] <soldier174> I think I have to type something?
[03:50] <h3sp4wn> hastesaver: It still runs fine with the quotes even if you copy the command as is
[03:50] <soldier174> What do I type?
[03:50] <soldier174> In the >
[03:51] <h3sp4wn> hastesaver: otherwise someone may type run and then the command
[03:51] <hastesaver> h3sp4wn, no, I just tried it. it doesn't work
[03:51] <h3sp4wn> soldier174: '
[03:51] <ubuntu_>  guys i am stuck at manual partition during kubuntu install .. can somebody help? i have 1 ntfs 1 ext3 (14 gb) and 1 free (1.06 gb) partitions. there is one small partition that says free and has 7.61 "MB" i am in step 5 of 6 .. please help
[03:51] <soldier174> What?
[03:51] <soldier174> type '?
[03:51] <h3sp4wn> soldier174: you asked what to type
[03:51] <proog> what package does kubuntu use for sound card detection?
[03:51] <h3sp4wn> I missed it off
[03:51] <soldier174> Oh.
[03:51] <soldier174> K.
[03:52] <soldier174> Now it said Soldier.
[03:52] <JohnFlux_> proog: thats done by the kernel
[03:52] <proog> ok
[03:52] <soldier174> Will it log in as soldier everytime I log in?
[03:52] <proog> JohnFlux_: does it use a much different kernel than debian?
[03:52] <JohnFlux_> proog: well fairly different
[03:52] <proog> ok
[03:52] <h3sp4wn> soldier174: so soldier doesn't have the same uid as root
[03:53] <soldier174> Lol, so I'm guessing that's a yes.
[03:53] <h3sp4wn> that is what you just found out
[03:53] <soldier174> Brb.
[03:53] <ubuntu_>  guys i am stuck at manual partition during kubuntu install .. can somebody help? i have 1 ntfs 1 ext3 (14 gb) and 1 free (1.06 gb) partitions. there is one small partition that says free and has 7.61 "MB" i am in step 5 of 6 .. please help
[03:53] <h3sp4wn> hastesaver: The top one was correct (I wrongly changed it not thinking)
[03:54] <instructor> abattoir: Isn't there a command to convert it to not be messed up?
[03:54] <abattoir> instructor: i think you should use a different encoding method while saving it...
[03:54] <dennister> good morning good people :)
[03:55] <proog> JohnFlux_: can the kubuntu/ubuntu kernel be downloaded as a debian package from the archives?
[03:55] <h3sp4wn> proog: Ubuntu is not debian
[03:55] <proog> i know
[03:55] <h3sp4wn> proog: So no
[03:55] <proog> (.deb package was what i meant)
[03:56] <h3sp4wn> To install onto debian ?
[03:56] <proog> dunno
[03:56] <kimmern> JohnFlux_: my system crashed again..jises so anoying..but anyways...checked eth0 and it was disabled before I connected to eth1..when I connected to eth1, eth0 got enabled...but disabled from system settings now like you said..
[03:56] <proog> but is the kernel available in the ubuntu repos?
[03:56] <h3sp4wn> proog: I don't know what you are trying to - run either ubuntu or debian
[03:56] <ubuntu_>  guys i am stuck at manual partition during kubuntu install .. can somebody help? i have 1 ntfs 1 ext3 (14 gb) and 1 free (1.06 gb) partitions. there is one small partition that says free and has 7.61 "MB" i am in step 5 of 6 .. please help
[03:57] <proog> h3sp4wn: i just want to know if there is an ubuntu kernel .deb package available in the ubuntu apt repositories
[03:58] <h3sp4wn> proog: of course there is but installing it on another distro is stupid
[03:58] <proog> yes
[03:58] <abattoir> !info tofrodos | instructor
[03:58] <ubotu> tofrodos: Converts DOS <-> Unix text files, alias tofromdos. In component main, is optional. Version 1.7.6-2 (edgy), package size 16 kB, installed size 68 kB
[03:58] <TheGateKeeper> proog: there are various kernels in the repos
[03:58] <abattoir> whoops
[03:58] <aleale2> h3sp4wn: but wpa-supplicant is inside ifup and down, but I need to do the init script anyway or it could be enough to start wpa-ifupdown deamon?
[03:58] <nickenyfiken> can someone help me with Ktorrent or advice me another torrent client that actually works?
[03:59] <abattoir> instructor: check out tofrodos
[03:59] <TheGateKeeper> proog: I have modified mine but have seen no real benifit
[03:59] <h3sp4wn> aleale2: Just follow the document (tells you how to set it up from /etc/network/interfaces
[03:59] <dennister> when i try to check which system services are running, I get the error message: "The module system services could not be loaded", yet neither of the possible reasons the diagnostics line offers applies. I've already done a search...but nada...what can i do to fix this?
[03:59] <h3sp4wn> aleale2: You don't run those directly
[03:59] <kimmern> nickenyfiken: You should try qBittorrent! Great bittorrent program!
[04:00] <TheGateKeeper> nickenyfiken: what's the problem?
[04:00] <h3sp4wn> nickenyfiken: rtorrent is good and fast
[04:00] <nickenyfiken> kimmern: thanks ill try it
[04:00] <nickenyfiken> TheGateKeeper: the problem the tracker status is always "invalid respons"
[04:00] <dennister> hello h3sp4wn: have that clean install :)
[04:01] <instructor> abattoir: Great! :)
[04:02] <dennister> hmm..time out problem again. did anyone see my last query?
[04:02] <ubuntu_>  guys i am stuck at manual partition during kubuntu install .. can somebody help? i have 1 ntfs 1 ext3 (14 gb) and 1 free (1.06 gb) partitions. there is one small partition that says free and has 7.61 "MB" i am in step 5 of 6 .. please help
[04:02] <aleale2> h3sp4wn: the problem is wireless is not working without any protection
[04:02] <dennister> gm letalis
[04:02] <aleale2> h3sp4wn: wireless router say that mac address is connected, but air link is off
[04:03] <dennister> sorry for repeat if last one came thru:
[04:03] <dennister> when i try to check which system services are running, I get the error message: "The module system services could not be loaded", yet neither of the possible reasons the diagnostics line offers applies. I've already done a search...but nada...what can i do to fix this?
[04:03] <TheGateKeeper> nickenyfiken: not really sure why that would be the case unless it has something to do with the particular torrent, I use dapper & mine seems to be ok
[04:03] <letalis> hi dennister
[04:03] <letalis> whats up?
[04:03] <h3sp4wn> aleale2: use wpasupplicant I have no interest whatsoever
[04:03] <dennister> well, i have that error message above
[04:03] <letalis> lol im about ready to kill apt atm
[04:04] <h3sp4wn> aleale2: or I have no interest whatsoever (What part of the document don't you understand)
[04:04] <dennister> but other than that they mythtv backend is again set up, and more properly this time
[04:04] <letalis> of course, if they wouldnt let you run nine adept_managers by accident, this wouldntve occured.
[04:04] <letalis> :)
[04:04] <dennister> lol
[04:05] <h3sp4wn> letalis: just remove adept and use aptitude instead
[04:05] <letalis> thats not going to fix this problem
[04:05] <letalis> im in lock file hell
[04:05] <nickenyfiken> ah i figured out what was wrong using another client. The default port KTorrent is using was rejected by the tracker
[04:06] <h3sp4wn> letalis: get rid of adept - then just use aptitude (remove the locks
[04:06] <h3sp4wn> letalis: aptitude actually works properly
[04:07] <letalis> i think i got it fixed now
[04:07] <h3sp4wn> letalis: apt-get will tell you which lock file you need to remove
[04:08] <h3sp4wn> letalis: Until it happens again
[04:08] <letalis> nah i know what needs to be done IF it happens again
[04:08] <h3sp4wn> It will adept sucks
[04:08] <letalis> lol ever used fedora?
[04:09] <letalis> yum sucks
[04:09] <letalis> :)
[04:09] <h3sp4wn> letalis: you can use apt-rpm
[04:09] <letalis> adept has minor nuisances.
[04:09] <h3sp4wn> yum was just slow but worked ok the only time I have used it
[04:09] <h3sp4wn> (To bootstrap rawhide)
[04:10] <h3sp4wn> using the debian yum package
[04:10] <dude_> jucato: are you there?
[04:11] <letalis> adept just needs a lockkk system of its own to keep people from running more than one process of it
[04:11] <abattoir> dude_: no, he left some time ago
[04:11] <dude_> abattoir: ok, are you a programmer?
[04:11] <h3sp4wn> letalis: using the console version of yum I have had zero problems (adept doesn't support everything that a deb may do)
[04:11] <dude_> abattoir: ok, are you a web programmer?
[04:11] <abattoir> dude_: why do you ask?
[04:12] <dude_> abattoir: my boss needs one
[04:12] <dennister> perhaps my timeouts and lags will now be shortened
[04:12] <abattoir> dude_: hehe, i'm not for hire, sorry :P
[04:12] <systest> moved from 6.06 to 6.10.  Evolution now failing regularly with "too many open files". Anyone else here experiencing this?
[04:12] <dude_> abattoir: ohh ok...just asking, he needs a full time programmer for his websites
[04:12] <dennister> if anyone has been trying to help me with the system services issue, sorry...haven't been able to see any replies
[04:13] <dennister> i hope i've fixed my lag/timeout issue
[04:13] <sorush20> I have forgotten the password to kwalletmanager any ideas how to retreive it?
[04:14] <dennister> abattoir: ur getting job offers here, a testament to your skill :)
[04:14] <sorush20> I don't really know how this has  happened.. I  have alawys used the same password. but today it is refusing to accept it with code 9 error
[04:14] <h3sp4wn> sorush20: should be impossible (otherwise is it worthless)
[04:14] <abattoir> dennister: a thus far non-existent one ;)
[04:14] <h3sp4wn> sorush20: You should be able only to reset it
[04:15] <h3sp4wn> sorush20: Not get at what is in it
[04:15] <dennister> letalis: i'm not registered
[04:16] <letalis> lol
[04:16] <nickenyfiken> anyone using ntfs-g3 to mount ntfs with read/write? I want to know how stable it is to use
[04:16] <letalis> yeah i forgot about that
[04:16] <calvarez> hmm, can KDE work with XGL, or I have to use compiz?
[04:16] <sorush20> I have used the same pass for the past year.. could something have gone wrong?
[04:16] <letalis> gotta be regged to recieve msgs
[04:16] <letalis> calvarez: what kind of video card do you have?
[04:17] <abattoir> calvarez: beryl + aiglx seems to be the most recommended path
[04:17] <calvarez> GeForce 6600GT
[04:17] <letalis> ill tell you now, if you want to do something other than have an opengl desktop like run another 3d application, dont bother with xgl.
[04:18] <hollywoodb> aiglx + compiz will let you run opengl, video, anything you want... beryl is buggy though
[04:18] <dennister> i'm afraid i need the 3d...this is supposed to be a home theatre pc...need it for the video
[04:18] <letalis> i got a 6800 and i just added a few settings to xorg.conf to make all the composite stuff fly.
[04:18] <reon> wtf does fdisk not list my drives ?
[04:19] <calvarez> please clarify something for me: beryl and compiz are window managers, or not? do they run instead of KDE?
[04:19] <dennister> i still have too many stuff in xorg...like the wacom tablet
[04:19] <calvarez> do I need to run them concurrently? I'm having a hard time understanding what the role of each piece of software is
[04:19] <letalis> window managers are totally different from kde
[04:19] <letalis> kkwin is the window manager for kde
[04:19] <letalis> kwin
[04:19] <calvarez> well, sorry, kwin
[04:19] <dennister> but i tried to remove that module (properly and safely), restarted the pc, and it was bak
[04:20] <dennister> back*
[04:20] <calvarez> so, I'd be running KDE with beryl or compiz instead of kwin
[04:20] <calvarez> ?
[04:20] <dennister> but the real problem seems to be this missing system services module
[04:20] <hollywoodb> calvarez: yes
[04:20] <letalis> to answer the question, compriz and beryl are window managers which in you setup will replace kwin
[04:20] <letalis> that is, if all goes well LOL
[04:20] <BluesKaj> Kinfocenter?
[04:20] <calvarez> hollywood, which one of the two has a more kwin-like feel?
[04:20] <dude_> what swrong with kwin?
[04:20] <calvarez> I just like kwin
[04:20] <dude_> whats wrong with kwin?
[04:20] <dennister> i've also tried reinstalling it, nada
[04:21] <xsacha> whats wrong with beryl+emerald?
[04:21] <xcyborg> hi, how do I set my bluetooth device to "hidden" ?
[04:21] <calvarez> dude_, I don't think anybody is saying something is wrong with kwin, we're just talking about window managers for use with XGL
[04:21] <calvarez> so, which one of the two XGL-compatible WMs (beryl and compiz) has a more kwin-like feel?
[04:22] <dude_> im interested
[04:22] <dude_> :)
[04:22] <hollywoodb> calvarez: beryl is more customizable, compiz is more stable
[04:23] <xsacha> calvarez: try aquamarine -- it is kwin-like decorator for beryl
[04:23] <calvarez> how much further back in stability is beryl compared to compiz
[04:23] <calvarez> is it really crashy?
[04:23] <hollywoodb> calvarez: I can't do opengl, it crashes occasionally, I have none of those problems with compiz
[04:23] <calvarez> oh, ok
[04:23] <dude_> !compiz
[04:23] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:23] <calvarez> well, I do OpenGL, so probably I should go for compiz
[04:24] <dennister> abattoir: u've been quiet
[04:24] <calvarez> no way to use kwin with xgl then?
[04:24] <calvarez> so far?
[04:24] <letalis> calvarez: you can
[04:24] <abattoir> dennister: need help w/ something?
[04:24] <dennister> yes, if u could: my system services module is missing
[04:24] <abattoir> dennister: edgy?
[04:24] <dennister> yep
[04:24] <calvarez> letalis, but I would not have the same eye candy that XGL is supposed to be all about, right?
[04:24] <letalis> i was trying to improve the speeds of the eye candy kde comes with
[04:25] <letalis> window translucency, shadows, etc..
[04:25] <abattoir> dennister: hmm, that could be a bug, let me look at LP
[04:25] <dude_> calvarez: im also planning to install xgl
[04:25] <dennister> LP?
[04:25] <abattoir> dennister: did you ask me before?
[04:25] <abattoir> dennister: Launchpad
[04:25] <aleale2> damn, I opened wlanassistant, it say that I'm connected, but it's not true! what can be the problem?
[04:25] <dennister> no...i put out a gneral question, but then had to log out to fix konversation
[04:25] <letalis> but i found that a few settings in device in xorg.conf eliminated the use of the xgl server completely
[04:26] <letalis> and i can still run all my 3d apps without issues
[04:26] <dennister> so i'm not sure if someone tried to help...i wouldn't have seen any replies
[04:26] <abattoir> dennister: oh ok, then why did you say i was 'quiet'? :P
[04:26] <dennister> oh, ur usually so busy, and i haven't seen ur replies to anyone for a bit since i reconnected (after fixing konversation)
[04:27] <dude_> compiz is more stable?
[04:27] <dennister> what's LP u were going to check?
[04:27] <letalis> after that i got a little program called 3ddesktop and set it up so i can change between desktops with all the coolness of 3d without the hassle of having the window manager taking over the 3d card
[04:28] <calvarez> dude_, gonna install it right now?
[04:28] <dude_> calvarez: not yet, still afraid : )
[04:28] <dude_> calvarez: just a plan
[04:29] <calvarez> ok, question: any issues with kubuntu amd64? any things not working or that require tweaking?
[04:29] <letalis> i use it, not really
[04:29] <calvarez> are flash, java, etc. working? I haven't installed linux in a few months
[04:29] <dennister> calvarez: lots of problems with 64
[04:30] <calvarez> dennister, what problems?
[04:30] <dennister> i struggled with java for days...finally gave up on 64
[04:30] <letalis> ok the flash, java whohaa crap :)
[04:30] <letalis> build a 32 bit chroot.
[04:30] <calvarez> k, so those no workie
[04:30] <dennister> flash, wouldn't work, lots of issues
[04:30] <letalis> put a browser that supports flash in the chroot
[04:30] <abattoir> !bugs | dennister
[04:30] <ubotu> dennister: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[04:30] <abattoir> !launchpad | dennister
[04:30] <ubotu> dennister: launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[04:30] <calvarez> letalis, I don't wanna do chroots and stuff
[04:30] <calvarez> i'll go with 32-bit. thanks though
[04:31] <dennister> i'm much happier with 32bit calvarez
[04:31] <letalis> maks building from scratch much cleaner
[04:31] <letalis> :)
[04:33] <abattoir> dennister: i think you should file a bug
[04:33] <abattoir> dennister: i can't seem to find one
[04:33] <letalis> the other way would be get/make ia32 libs for the browser in question, then install the deb for the browser with the --force-architecture flag
[04:33] <letalis> that might get messy.
[04:33] <letalis> :)
[04:33] <dennister> great :(
[04:34] <dennister> how long will resolving a bug take?
[04:34] <letalis> just know that a 64 bit kernel will run 32 bit apps, so long as it has the correct libs to use to run it
[04:35] <aleale2> h3sp4wn: wireless is active but domain server is down, also if I ping the wirelss router isn't ok, but now I'm on konversation via wireless
[04:35] <aleale2> that can be?
[04:36] <dennister> has anyone seen this with their edgy systems? a missing System Services module all of a sudden?
[04:36] <calvarez> ROFL! I found a mirror where I'll be able to download the DVD image in 1 hr :) :) :)
[04:36] <ubuntu> hey can somebody help me with the manual partition utility in ubuntu?
[04:37] <dennister> what's ur question ubuntu? and pls change ur nic
[04:37] <ubuntu> what is an nic?
[04:37] <ubuntu> sorry if i sound lame
[04:37] <abattoir> dennister: it doesn't load w/ kcontrol either?
[04:37] <dennister> your handle,
[04:37] <abattoir> ubuntu: your nick name
[04:37] <dennister> no abatoir
[04:37] <abattoir> ubuntu: /nick <New Name>
[04:38] <dennister> oops abattoir
[04:38] <jobless> hey is this better?
[04:38] <dennister> yes, ty
[04:38] <abattoir> jobless: yes :)
[04:38] <dennister> what do u want to do with the manual paritioning?
[04:39] <jobless> here is the problem .. i have like 6 partitions that are showing up
[04:39] <dennister> oh, hold on abattoir: i was having trouble the other day trying to edit my ke-menus and add the debian menus..can't seem to do it this time, forgotten how
[04:39] <abattoir> dennister: kmenuedit
[04:40] <jobless> one is fat16, 1 ntfs, 1 ext3, 1 free, 1 fat32 and another free .. i have one free partition that is 1gb and i want to use it as swap! but i am not allowed to do anything with it .. only the property button is enabled when i select that ..
[04:40] <kristjan__> I got one question: how to apply "maximum performance" with new power manager?
[04:41] <jobless> can u help abattoir?
[04:41] <dennister> abattoir: ok, but this doesn't help me...there used to be another way in system settings, but it seems to be gone with edgy
[04:42] <constantine-xvi> where does the sun-java package put the plugin?
[04:42] <dennister> and i think i need to add a program from synaptic to enable the debian menus
[04:42] <kristjan__> (I have pentium M processor and previosly I could switch between ondemand, powersave and performance)
[04:43] <jobless> abattoir: hmm was that a dumb question from me? no reply?!
[04:43] <dennister> jobless: it's normal to have swap very restricted in what u can do with it
[04:43] <jobless> dennister: i have 1gb free
[04:44] <jobless> i want to make it into swap
[04:44] <abattoir> jobless: one sec, i was afk
[04:44] <jobless> but i am not getting any options to do it (like create or format)
[04:45] <dennister> jobless: abottoir's better than i at helping, so i'm passing u to him
[04:46] <abattoir> jobless: hmm you want to create swap in free space an qtparted doesn't let you do that?
[04:46] <jobless> yes
[04:46] <abattoir> jobless: is this under a logical partition?
[04:46] <jobless> logical partition?
[04:47] <jobless> can i send u a screen shot somehow?
[04:47] <pc22> anybody here hosting drupal?
[04:47] <abattoir> jobless: http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/file/structPartitions-c.html
[04:48] <abattoir> jobless: i haven't used qtparted much... what are the options under properties?
[04:49] <jobless> when i right click on a partition i get these properties, create, format, resize,move, delete, undo,commit
[04:49] <abattoir> jobless: yes, you can use ksnapshot to get the screenshot and can upload it to some place like imageshack.us
[04:49] <ermak> is it possible to connect a pocket pc via bluetooth in order to share internet connection?
[04:50] <ermak> i am trying to pare devices and always get authentication error on desktop....
[04:51] <jobless> abattoir: hey i deleted the ext3 partition and now i have 11 gb of continuos free space ..can i install both "/" and swap on that 11gb?
[04:51] <abattoir> jobless: you'd need to split it into two partitions still
[04:52] <jobless> when i hit create on the partition .. i get an option with create as extended or primary. which one should i choose?
[04:52] <abattoir> jobless: that'd depend on how many primary partitions you already have
[04:52] <abattoir> jobless: you can't have more than 4 primary partitions
[04:52] <abattoir> jobless: you'll need to create extended then
[04:53] <jobless> i have 3 primary partitions ..
[04:53] <abattoir> jobless: ok, then create an extended one
[04:53] <jobless> so i need two more .. one swap and one for "/"
[04:53] <abattoir> jobless: yes... you can create a separate /home if you want to
[04:53] <bxnp> hi new kubuntu user was wondering how i can put firefox 2 on this box
[04:54] <abattoir> bxnp: which version of kubuntu?
[04:54] <jobless> abattoir: i did not get that
[04:54] <bxnp> 6.06
[04:54] <abattoir> jobless: generally, /home is created inside the / partition, but some people prefer/recommend creating a separate /home partition as it sometimes is helpful during upgrades/for backing up data
[04:55] <bxnp> jobless, its version 6.06
[04:58] <paulw> jobless: I highly recommend a separate /home partition.  You can reinstall if needed and not format that partition thus keeping your personal settings and software intact.
[04:59] <feydin> hi there, i stored a kde session in which firefox 2.0 automatically starts, but always when i log into kde, firefox asks me if he should restore the session, why is that?
[04:59] <abattoir> !info firefox dapper
[04:59] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.7-ubuntu0.6.06 (dapper), package size 7739 kB, installed size 22928 kB
[05:00] <bxnp> abattoir, but that is version 1.5
[05:00] <jobless> abattoir: ok .. i did not get the problem solved still .. i am not able to save the screen shot as i am using the live cd approach ..
[05:00] <abattoir> bxnp: 1.5 is the latest package provided by ubuntu for dapper... i think you need to get the package from getfirefox.com, not sure if it's pacakged elsewhere
[05:00] <sorush20> where is the other version of firefox that is compiled for you kernel etc?
[05:00] <feydin> i got edgy and firefox 2.0
[05:00] <abattoir> jobless: you can save it /home/ubuntu
[05:00] <abattoir> feydin: edgy has 2.0, dapper doesn't
[05:00] <jobless> ok
[05:00] <sorush20> windows is still a lot faster on my computer than linux kubuntu
[05:00] <abattoir> feydin: i think that's a feature
[05:00] <paulw> feydin: I believe that session restore is one of FF 2.0's new features
[05:00] <abattoir> feydin: do you have Tab mix plus or any other extension installed?
[05:01] <dennister> abattoir: konsole gave me this: kmenuedit: WARNING: Could not read /home/cathy/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu
[05:01] <malix0> hi I've a strange problem on my laptop with kubuntu edgy
[05:01] <feydin> abattoir, i got some extensions installed yes, but no tab mix
[05:01] <abattoir> feydin: then i guess the feature made it into 2.0 as paulw says
[05:01] <malix0> the network card eth0 work only for a few seconds and then die
[05:01] <dennister> it started, but even when i shut it down again i had to do a ctl-c to get my konsole prompt back
[05:01] <abattoir> dennister: i guess there were problems saving the last time you made modifications to it
[05:02] <paulw> feydin: you'll grow to love that feature in time :)
[05:02] <feydin> yes its a feature, but i dont find any option to disable it
[05:02] <dennister> i never made any changes to it with this installation
[05:02] <malix0> every ip that I try to reach within my network give me network is unreachable
[05:02] <abattoir> dennister: does it still load the menu?
[05:02] <feydin> anyway.. i can live with it :)
[05:02] <dennister> now synaptic and adept did, but i didn't personally
[05:03] <dennister> yes
[05:03] <feydin> here's another question: someone here (dont know who it was) told me how to control yakuake with DCOP... is anyone here who knows this too?
[05:03] <feydin> i want multiple tabs open with the start of yakueke
[05:03] <feydin> *yakuake
[05:04] <dennister> but that doesn't mean i can add the debian menus or change other things without the option in system settings to control kmenu
[05:04] <dennister> sorry, i'm not explaining things well
[05:04] <jobless> abattoir: http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=partso0.png here is the screen shot
[05:05] <jobless> dennister: http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=partso0.png can u check the screenshot and tell me if u can help?
[05:05] <abattoir> dennister: ok, now what's the issue?
[05:05] <dennister> abattoir: hold on, i think i solved the menu problem :)
[05:05] <abattoir> dennister: sorry
[05:06] <abattoir> jobless: what's the issue, Create seems to be enabled there
[05:06] <dennister> np :) ur extremely helpful
[05:06] <abattoir> dennister: no, i meant that message wasn't for you
[05:06] <abattoir> dennister: now i ask you, what was the issue?
[05:06] <jobless> abattoir: when i try to partition the 11gb free into two as 10 and 1 .. i am not able to use the 1gb for swap
[05:07] <abattoir> jobless: make partition 3 and extended partition
[05:07] <abattoir> jobless: and then create two partitions there
[05:08] <instructor> can I pull a deb from apt-get but not install it?
[05:08] <instructor> or a set of debs?
[05:08] <abattoir> jobless: you can't create the swap partition because you already have 4 primary partitions(when you format the 10 gig / partition)
[05:08] <abattoir> instructor: yes, you can install them, but they won't resolve dependencies automatically
[05:08] <instructor> abattoir: No I don't want to install them
[05:08] <abattoir> that is, you'd have to have all the necessary dependencies downloaded as well
[05:09] <abattoir> instructor: oh, you meant you only want to download
[05:09] <abattoir> instructor: i think -download is the flag, let me confirm, wait
[05:09] <instructor> abattoir: I want to apt-get something and have it in cache but not installed on my system
[05:09] <abattoir> instructor: btw, all the packages that you downloaded(and installed) are saved in /var/cache/apt/archives
[05:10] <h3sp4wn> instructor: or just use debmirror and mirror the whole archive (to an external drive for example)
[05:10] <instructor> I know
[05:10] <instructor> h3sp4wn: the Whole archive?
[05:10] <jobless> ok so i first make an extended partition .. then create two more partitions for "/" and swap in it?
[05:10] <instructor> it is --download-only ?
[05:10] <h3sp4wn> instructor: Why not its only 15gb or so
[05:10] <instructor> for a few packages?
[05:11] <abattoir> instructor: yes it is
[05:11] <h3sp4wn> I don't know the reason why you want to download it
[05:11] <abattoir> instructor: for a few packages?
[05:11] <instructor> So I can get the debs to someone else
[05:11] <abattoir> instructor: oh, nvm
[05:11] <instructor> abattoir: h3sp4wn was saying I should just mirror the whole repo
[05:11] <h3sp4wn> instructor: give them the dvd (has the whole of main on it)
[05:11] <abattoir> instructor: yeah, i didn't read that the first time around :P
[05:11] <instructor> so it's apt-get install --download-only packagenames?
[05:12] <abattoir> instructor: yup
[05:12] <instructor> great :) thatnks
[05:12] <instructor> Thanks
[05:12] <jobless> abattoir: hey i think that solved the problem.. the problem was an user error :)) thanks for the link abt the type of partitions
[05:12] <abattoir> jobless: ok, so you created and extended partition there?
[05:13] <h3sp4wn> instructor: or you can also do a partial mirror with debmirror (give them a pool which they can use exactly like a normal cd rom apt source)
[05:13] <instructor> Hmm ok I'll look into that
[05:13] <instructor> How much bandwidth a week does mirroring the repos take up?
[05:13] <h3sp4wn> Pretty much none if you are using the stable release
[05:14] <jobless> abattoir: yes i did .. now, can i mount my windows paritions too? in the next screen where it asks for.. the default mount is media/sda* for all windows partitions
[05:14] <abattoir> jobless: yes, that's right, make sure you don't format them though
[05:14] <abattoir> jobless: that is only your root and swap should be formated
[05:14] <abattoir> (/)
[05:15] <abattoir> jobless: nvm, i'll just end up confusing you, the default option should be fine
[05:15] <jobless> abattoir: yes i will .. can i mount the windows partition anywhere? like home/win?
[05:15] <xymox18> holas
[05:15] <xymox18> alguien que hables espaol
[05:15] <Karol84PL> Does anyone know any working mplayer plugin for opera 9.02. I'm using Dapper
[05:15] <abattoir> jobless: yes you can
[05:16] <abattoir> jobless: change /media/sda1, for eg. to /home/win1 if you want to
[05:16] <jobless> abattoir: ohh can i change that after completing the install of ubuntu?
[05:16] <abattoir> jobless: but you might lose out on some features
[05:16] <abattoir> jobless: yes, you can change that in /etc/fstab
[05:17] <kristjan_> gtk-qt engine is broken?
[05:17] <instructor> h3sp4wn: Packages don't update?
[05:17] <jobless> abattoir: so media/sda1 should be the best option then ? (not loosing any features?) and what are the features?!
[05:18] <abattoir> jobless: nothing big really, media:// (or /media in edgy now) handling in KDE works pretty well if it's mounted by default in /media
[05:18] <abattoir> jobless: but tbh, it's not that big an issue, you can mount it anywhere
[05:19] <jobless> abattoir: so will i get better handling if i change that back in etc/fstab after the install?
[05:19] <abattoir> jobless: the thing is /media has been patched so that your partitions are seen as drives, not just as folders, so you can easily mount/unmount them from there if you wish to...
[05:20] <abattoir> jobless: if you will not be doing that(i dont think you'll need to), then you can mount it pretty much anywhere you want
[05:20] <jobless> abattoir: ohh ok !!
[05:20] <Mez> eep
[05:21] <jobless> abattoir: thanks for the help .. i will get back to the install now ..
[05:23] <kristjan_> so; how long has irc.ubuntu.org been around and what's different compared to freenode #kubuntu?
[05:24] <abattoir> kristjan_: it's an alias which currently points to freenode
[05:25] <abattoir> kristjan_: if and when ubuntu decides to switch networks, for eg., it'll just change the alias in their servers, and the average user wouldn't notice the transition
[05:25] <h3sp4wn> instructor: why would they when its released (only updates and security update (pretty infreqently)
[05:25] <abattoir> or at least it'll be seamless
[05:25] <kristjan_> abattoir: umm; I'm in freenode?
[05:26] <abattoir> kristjan_: yes
[05:26] <h3sp4wn> abattoir: Have they decided to switch ?
[05:26] <abattoir> kristjan_: #kubuntu in Freenode
[05:26] <Tm_T> :p
[05:26] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: don't know, heard somewhere that it was on agenda for UDS MTV
[05:26] <abattoir> (but these are rumours of course ;) )
[05:27] <simen> k
[05:27] <samyboy> Hi there, how do I enable auto completion in quanta ?
[05:27] <webben> Is it not possible to install qmake with kubuntu crash?
[05:27] <webben> specifically qt4-dev-tools
[05:27] <h3sp4wn> abattoir: I will have to work out which network has the least amount of the same questions on it
[05:28] <lalo> hi all
[05:28] <lalo> i hope so can help me.....
[05:29] <abattoir> webben: the first snapshot or the second one?
[05:29] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: :)
[05:29] <abattoir> lalo: ask your question, if someone can, they will
[05:29] <webben> abbattoir: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.1.php
[05:29] <webben> the first one
[05:29] <webben> the second one isn't in a repo yet is it?
[05:29] <lalo> i am surfing on konqueror and every time i clik a link is ask me to save the page or open it on SwiftFox...why?
[05:31] <abattoir> webben: then i guess you'll need the appropriate -kdecopy
[05:31] <abattoir> !info qt4-dev-tools-kdecopy
[05:31] <ubotu> qt4-dev-tools-kdecopy: Qt 4 development tools. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.2.0~svn20060818-0ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 694 kB, installed size 1816 kB
[05:32] <webben> abattoir, ah ha! thank you :)
[05:33] <lalo> no one can help me then???
[05:33] <kristjan_> can I use konsole to switch power management profile to "performance"?
[05:34] <samyboy> How do I enable auto completion in quanta ? (bis)
[05:34] <lalo> ????????????????// help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[05:35] <instructor> !help
[05:35] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl  -  Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:35] <abattoir> lalo: that will definitely not help your cause... wait a sec
[05:35] <abattoir> kristjan_: you could probably do that through dcop
[05:36] <dennister> abattoir: i ran a "kcmshell serviceconfig' in cli and got some output in terms of why my system services module isn't running. Could u take a look at it if i put it in pastebin?
[05:36] <abattoir> lalo: did you modify the entries in kcontrol for the www mimetype by any chance?
[05:36] <dennister> !pastebin
[05:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[05:36] <abattoir> dennister: ok
[05:36] <kristjan_> abattoir: would you mind telling me how?
[05:37] <abattoir> kristjan_: try dcop kpowersave
[05:37] <dennister> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30530/
[05:37] <abattoir> kristjan_: i don't actually have it running here, so can't give you the exact command
[05:37] <abattoir> kristjan_: if you want you could pastebin the output, and i could guide you from there
[05:37] <lalo> i dunno abattoir....how can i check it?
[05:38] <kristjan_> abattoir: power-manager-4965
[05:38] <abattoir> lalo: then most probably installing switfox did that
[05:38] <lalo> i have swittfox installed
[05:39] <abattoir> kristjan_: then 'dcop power-manager-4965'
[05:40] <abattoir> dennister: modules not loading is a known bug
[05:40] <abattoir> dennister: i'm not aware of the fix though, if you can please attach it and file a bug
[05:40] <kristjan_> abattoir: three of them: qt, MainApplication-Interface, power-manager
[05:40] <abattoir> kristjan_: then 'dcop power-manager-4965 power-manager'
[05:41] <dhuv> hello all
[05:42] <kristjan_> abattoir: QCStringList interfaces()  QCStringList functions()  void hibernate()  bool onBattery()  void showTip()  void suspend() void shutdown()
[05:42] <abattoir> lalo: kcontrol->KDE Components->File Associations... what do you have for text/html ?
[05:42] <lalo> KATE
[05:42] <dhuv> when I plug in my usbdrive, I can see with dmesg that it is pulling a new usbaddress many many times, I also see the light flashing rather than on steady
[05:42] <dennister> abattoir: i would file a bug, except that I'm sure it's already been filed, google searches show that others have had this too...there's got to be a fix already
[05:43] <abattoir> kristjan_: hmm, i guess it doesn't have the option to change profiles then
[05:43] <kristjan_> abattoir: heh, that's like gnome now
[05:43] <dennister> but tis ok...ty for trying...no one can know every fix :)
[05:43] <dennister> hey Dr_willis :)
[05:43] <Dr_willis> Howdys
[05:43] <abattoir> dennister: i searched briefly, but couldn't find anything(you can search if you want, if you find a bug, blame LP, not me ;) )
[05:43] <abattoir> kristjan_: why do you say that?
[05:44] <dennister> what does LP stand for?
[05:44] <lalo> html.......>Application Preference...SwiftFox..Opera...Konqueror..Quanta
[05:44] <abattoir> dennister: launchpad
[05:44] <abattoir> !launchpad
[05:44] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[05:44] <dennister> oh, ok...gotcha. thks
[05:44] <familia> espaolo
[05:45] <kristjan_> abattoir: gnome power manager didn't let me switch power proflies in dapper; kde did do it, but now has also lost the ability to use different profiles
[05:45] <malix0> Hi I just open this bug report 70749 if someone have some idea please tell me
[05:45] <abattoir> kristjan_: try kcontrol, do you have power options there?
[05:45] <familia> ok
[05:45] <familia> jelou
[05:45] <abattoir> !es
[05:45] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[05:46] <malix0> Hi I just open this bug report https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/70749 if someone have some idea please tell me
[05:46] <familia> thanks
[05:46] <kristjan_> abattoir: nope
[05:46] <abattoir> kristjan_: :(
[05:47] <abattoir> malix0: broadcom?
[05:47] <abattoir> malix0: also edgy?
[05:47] <malix0> abattoir: no realtek on edgy
[05:47] <kristjan_> abattoir: should I "Please report bugs to jriddell@ubuntu.com" - or power profiles is more like wish?
[05:47] <malix0> abattoir: I try dapper kernel too
[05:47] <abattoir> hmmm realtek?
[05:48] <abattoir> kristjan_: it says that?
[05:48] <lalo> PRPBLEM has been fixed!!!...by choosing "File in Enbbed viewer" in the left click action of the html section
[05:48] <lalo> THANKS
[05:48] <abattoir> kristjan_: you can file a feature request bug i guess
[05:48] <kristjan_> abattoir: if I rightclick on power manager applet in system tray and go to "about"
[05:50] <kristjan_> abattoir: nexuiz is unplayable with "ondemand" power profile
[05:50] <malix0> abattoir: from lspci output 00:07.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[05:51] <abattoir> malix0: oh, i thought it was a wireless issue, sorry
[05:51] <v3ctor> realtek is a very popular chipset...it should be there
[05:52] <malix0> abattoir: no as I explain on bug I try a wirless usb dongle without problem
[05:53] <dennister> abattoir: i may have found the fix
[05:53] <malix0> v3ctor: I thinks it's a acpi problem but I didn't figure how to debug this problem
[05:53] <webben> I'm trying to build webkit, but cmake says it can't find qmake
[05:53] <dennister> Q: is every file name that has a tilde symbol at the end a backup copy?
[05:53] <webben> even though qmake-qt4 exists
[05:53] <v3ctor> malix0: what is happening?
[05:53] <abattoir> kristjan_: i think installing  klaptopdaemon gives you powerprofiles in kcontrol
[05:54] <webben> does anyone know any way to let it know qmake does in fact exist?
[05:54] <webben> dennister, I believe so.
[05:54] <abattoir> webben: i think #kde4-devel is more appropriate
[05:54] <webben> abbattoir: ah okay, thanks
[05:54] <abattoir> webben: but i don't know if webkit is welcome there though :P
[05:55] <dennister> webben: ty, how how do i make use of such backup copies?
[05:56] <webben> dennister: you can edit them just like any other file
[05:56] <webben> or mv them to rename them
[05:57] <dennister> never mind; got it :)
[05:59] <dennister> test
[05:59] <DjDarkman> hy ,can someone help me set up a samba share ,where windows PCs can access my shared files?
[06:00] <vassilis> dd
[06:01] <vassilis> est il un pilot sur kubuntu
[06:01] <filip_> Is there ant swede here that can help me with installing a flashplayer to firefox?
[06:02] <filip_> or english... doesnt really matter
[06:05] <manuel_> hola
[06:09] <BluesKaj> Ii I use the command mkdir "File" ...is that file automatically put in /etc/apt ?
[06:10] <BluesKaj> if
[06:10] <BluesKaj> or dir
[06:10] <malix0> v3ctor: I open a bug because on a Acer aspire laptop the main network card doesn't work
[06:12] <manuel_> hello?
[06:13] <DjDarkman> why can`t I access the kde file sharing module?
[06:14] <manuel_> hello?
[06:15] <pavel_> hi
[06:16] <DreaMaker> hi people
[06:19] <MidMark> h3sp4wn: I'm the brother of aleale2, the wireless works without protection, adding the wep protection freeze entire kubuntu
[06:19] <MidMark> can be firmware issue?
[06:20] <Bubba_Gump> which office program is the easiest to use?
[06:20] <Bubba_Gump> or, office package, might i say :D
[06:20] <instructor> Anyone ever setup talk
[06:20] <instructor> >
[06:20] <instructor> ?
[06:20] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: Using the gui configuration tool or wpasupplicant ?
[06:22] <BluesKaj> hi dennister
[06:23] <khirr> hello
[06:23] <MidMark> the configuration tool, wlan assistant
[06:23] <dennister> my golly! was having probs with konversation this time
[06:23] <khirr> how can i do to see contact kopete list for "email"?
[06:23] <dennister> hi BluesKaj
[06:23] <Bubba_Gump> is koffice, better, or worse, than openoffice?
[06:24] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: I specifically told him he couldn't use that
[06:24] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: because bcm43xx is unstable with it
[06:24] <dennister> abattoir: I found the fix to the system services problem :) wahoo!
[06:24] <MidMark> h3sp4wn: I was using wep not wpa
[06:24] <BluesKaj> how goes the battle , dennister ...making progress?
[06:24] <BluesKaj> cool
[06:24] <dennister> yes, definitely
[06:24] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: May as well use non over wep
[06:25] <dennister> fow awhile my system services module was missing, lol, but that's my latest problem solved
[06:25] <MidMark> h3sp4wn: I was just doing trying session, so also with wep wlan assistant is unstable?
[06:25] <BluesKaj> dennister, a fellow Canuck !  :)
[06:25] <dennister> yepper...toronto here
[06:25] <dennister> u?
[06:26] <BluesKaj> espanola ont here ...40mins west of sudbury
[06:26] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: The driver itself is not stable unless it is used without a junk client that is scanning the network all the time (to show a pointless signal strength meter that means very little)
[06:26] <BluesKaj> nice here today for a change
[06:26] <dennister> ok...one of the volunteers i supervise comes from Sudbury
[06:26] <MidMark> h3sp4wn: undestood, that it's a pitty
[06:26] <MidMark> so I have to use only console
[06:27] <BluesKaj> I have 2 daughters living in toronto
[06:27] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: once its setup it should just work
[06:27] <BluesKaj> <---- old retired guy
[06:27] <saki> i forgot the name of the KDE Develop package
[06:27] <saki> ^^
[06:28] <sparrwork> I have an openoffice document at a smb:// location open in konqueror...  OpenOffice tries to start, splash screen and loading bar, but then nothing.  help?
[06:28] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: But if you need to connect to alot of different networks - then use ndiswrapper with the windows drivers (then you can use knetworkmanager)
[06:28] <BluesKaj> BBL ... winterizing awaits
[06:28] <dennister> k.bye for now
[06:28] <Dr_willis> sparrwork,  try copying the doc over to the local drive?
[06:29] <MidMark> h3sp4wn: the driver that I downloaded are for linux specific?
[06:29] <tobias> heeeeey ubuuuntupeople!! :D
[06:29] <instructor> Hi BluesKaj
[06:29] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: Yes - the driver you are using is a reverse engineered driver
[06:29] <tobias> *huggies for everyone*
[06:29] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: it still needs some firmware to load on the card (which you now have)
[06:29] <MidMark> h3sp4wn: but kwlan can be used aswell to configure wpa2?
[06:30] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: wpa2 needs to be done with knetworkmanager (with ndiswrapper because the other driver is not stable enough for that use)
[06:30] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: zcat /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz | less
[06:30] <jontec> hey you guys... I was just in rubyonrails. will someone help me with my install of ruby on rails...? http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/pages/RailsOnUbuntu is the article that I'm looking at now
[06:31] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: it tells you what to put into /etc/network/interfaces to get wpa working
[06:31] <sparrwork> Dr_willis: that works of course
[06:33] <MidMark> h3sp4wn: it's a pitty that there is a gui version to use... because my brother is not so smart enough to use console
[06:33] <jontec> !rubygems
[06:33] <instructor>  remind me how inet works
[06:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rubygems - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:34] <sparrwork> I installed kubuntu and 3d acceleration on my i865 onboard worked, detected as i810.  I did an update in Adept, possibly getting new/bad drivers.  I installed a few seemingly unrelated packages.  Now I have rebooted and have no 3D acceleration (slow gl screensavers, glxgears.  direct rendering: no in glxinfo).  What might I have broken, how can I check, and how can I fix it?
[06:35] <instructor> I'm trying to run the talk daemon
[06:35] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: It only needs to be done once (i.e by you)
[06:35] <dennister> Mythbusters: hi there
[06:35] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: Then it will connect automatically
[06:36] <instructor> anyone remember how to setup talk?
[06:36] <MidMark> h3sp4wn: yes, but can be usefull a gui that can configure all the type of protection!
[06:37] <MidMark> h3sp4wn: what is the best protection? wpa2?
[06:37] <Dr_willis> sparrwork,  may want to check out smb4k, or that FUSE smbffs stuff, or just mount the remote samba share locally.
[06:37] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: using a vpn is probably better protection but wpa2 is fine
[06:37] <instructor> !xinetd
[06:37] <ubotu> xinetd: replacement for inetd with many enhancements. In component main, is extra. Version 1:2.3.14-1 (edgy), package size 127 kB, installed size 356 kB
[06:37] <instructor> !inetd
[06:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about inetd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:38] <instructor> !info inetd
[06:38] <ubotu> Package inetd does not exist in any distro I know
[06:38] <instructor> damn
[06:38] <MidMark> h3sp4wn: I have seen that there are a lot of different wpa: wpa2 with aes, with something else
[06:39] <MidMark> there is a better explaination?
[06:39] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: aes is what wpa2 should use tkip is for wpa(1)
[06:40] <MidMark> h3sp4wn: so wep is always crackable?
[06:42] <instructor> can xientd handle inetd?
[06:43] <sparrwork> thanks Dr_willis
[06:44] <sebastian222> hello. I'm having a problem  with ubuntu, sometimes it won't shut down properly. Please I need some help
[06:45] <instructor> !shutdown
[06:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shutdown - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:45] <instructor> hi neoncode
[06:45] <neoncode> instructor: hi...
[06:46] <instructor> :-)
[06:46] <instructor> That's fine
[06:46] <neoncode> =)
[06:47] <instructor> The talk package needs to be redone :(
[06:47] <MidMark> h3sp4wn: I've seen the main page of the firmware http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ it says that kernel 2.6.17 should have this driver... why my pcmcia didn't recognized it upon installation of the firmwares?
[06:47] <instructor> unless talk has been replaced?
[06:49] <instructor> >-<
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: It has the driver but not the firmware
[06:51] <cristian> Hi ... I have a problem whit amarok.....somebody an help me
[06:52] <MidMark> h3sp4wn: ok is like usb adsl modem that require firmware AND driver
[06:52] <MidMark> this sucks
[06:53] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: Pretty much all wireless cards need some type of hal (atheros ones are best) - there is some ralink ones that don't but atheros still works best
[06:54] <MidMark> h3sp4wn: last thing: wpa isn't enough, I need wpa2 for full protection?
[06:54] <feydin> are beryl / xgl questions allowed in here?
[06:56] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:56] <cristian> hello
[06:56] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: its possible that wpa can be cracked (just much much more difficult) relies on dumping certain parts of the initial handshake
[06:56] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: then brute forcing it
[06:57] <MidMark> but the forst phrase is only used to exchange some others keys, I have understood exactly?
[06:57] <MidMark> s/forst/first
[06:58] <instructor> oook
[06:58] <instructor> Why wouldn't kdesu work?
[07:03] <lalo> hi
[07:03] <lalo> can so tell me how to remove the denied access of a folder?
[07:04] <skreet> lalo: via console, type ls -l to see what user and group own the folder
[07:04] <skreet> lalo: But what folder?
[07:04] <skreet> lalo: You may not want to change access
[07:04] <lalo> let me check skreet
[07:05] <lalo> is the /opt
[07:05] <skreet> why do you want to give users access to that?
[07:05] <lalo> have you heard about lampp?
[07:06] <skreet> lampp? are you referring to LAMP?
[07:06] <lalo> lampp
[07:07] <skreet> What is that?
[07:07] <lalo> lampp is a folder under /opt that want to free access without restrictions
[07:07] <lalo> its a software
[07:07] <skreet> well
[07:07] <skreet> if you want to do that
[07:07] <skreet> go into /opt
[07:07] <lalo> and i want no restrictions
[07:07] <lalo> ok
[07:07] <skreet> and type chmod 777 lampp
[07:07] <lalo> by the console?
[07:07] <skreet> yes
[07:08] <skreet> that'll allow ALL access by ANYONE to lampp
[07:08] <skreet> now that's just the folder
[07:08] <lalo> should i be on the folder?
[07:08] <h3sp4wn> no restrictions is a bit stupid
[07:08] <skreet> h3sp4wn: Agreed.
[07:08] <skreet> you should be in the containing folder, i.e. /opt
[07:08] <skreet> since it's /opt/lampp
[07:08] <lalo> it's just that when i want to use the software it crashes because the restrictions....so its not stupid
[07:08] <skreet> chmod -R 777 lampp will change the values for all objects inside the folder as well..
[07:09] <skreet> Did you use apt to install the software?
[07:09] <skreet> Or did you install it by hand?
[07:09] <h3sp4wn> If it needs to be owned by www then use a 470
[07:09] <skreet> h3sp4wn: What's lampp, anyway? You seem familiar..
[07:09] <h3sp4wn> make a group add who needs to write to the group
[07:09] <h3sp4wn> skreet: No idea - but I think 777 is unconditionally bad (except in very specific circumstances)
[07:10] <skreet> h3sp4wn: I agree.
[07:10] <skreet> h3sp4wn: :)
[07:10] <skreet> h3sp4wn: Someone asks how to unrestrict something, I tell them, I guess...
[07:10] <skreet> :)
[07:11] <drarem> to unrestrict everything, run it under windoze  - sorry had to put my two scents in
[07:11] <lalo> the software came on a zip file anda
[07:11] <h3sp4wn> skreet: Maybe I would depending on mood probably (If I was in a lazy mood I would just tell them how)
[07:11] <lalo> and...automatically installs the software on that folder
[07:11] <skreet> h3sp4wn: I'm in an at-work mood. haha
[07:12] <lalo> it shows me operation not permited???
[07:12] <lalo> !!!!
[07:12] <skreet> always use sudo
[07:12] <skreet> for root commands
[07:13] <lalo> ok
[07:13] <lalo> i am guessing it did it
[07:13] <lalo> thanks
[07:14] <skreet> lalo: when you're using a package managed system like ubuntu
[07:15] <skreet> you can just install those packages seperately with a decent amount of ease
[07:15] <skreet> package managements ensures that everything works without conflict
[07:15] <BadMagic> afternoon!
[07:15] <h3sp4wn>  /opt won't be touched by the package manager though so that should be ok
[07:15] <skreet> BadMagic: hello! :D
[07:15] <BadMagic> getting a flood of SuSE converts?
[07:15] <BadMagic> hehehe
[07:16] <skreet> h3sp4wn: True.
[07:16] <skreet> BadMagic: Not really, why do you ask?
[07:16] <skreet> I've actually been thinking about installing SuSE, haven't used it since 'back in the day'
[07:17] <lalo> how was that skreet??? i dont get you...
[07:17] <h3sp4wn> skreet: fedora 6 has some interesting stuff in it (with regards to xen anyway)
[07:17] <BadMagic> cause it seems to be the general consensis on the suse list and irc that (like me) most of us will switch to ubuntu or kubuntu if there is even a remote possibility of M$ getting any money from us
[07:17] <skreet> h3sp4wn: I never got used to yum, and..
[07:17] <BadMagic> was a very bad day when I read that announcement.
[07:17] <BadMagic> :(
[07:17] <skreet> lalo: You're using Kubuntu right?
[07:17] <skreet> What announcement?
[07:17] <h3sp4wn> skreet: I have only used it once (to bootstrap rawhide onto a xen partition)
[07:18] <dennister> test
[07:18] <lalo> yeah
[07:18] <skreet> dennister: ack.
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> skreet: but you can use apt for rpm
[07:18] <skreet> lalo: Have you used Adept?
[07:18] <skreet> h3sp4wn: You *can* do alot of things..
[07:18] <lalo> yeah..sometimes
[07:18] <skreet> h3sp4wn:  :)
[07:18] <tobias> we should make it impossible for mfuckers to earn money from ubuntu
[07:18] <skreet> lalo: I recommend you use apt for everything if possible. It will make sure everything stays in line, less headaches.
[07:18] <BadMagic> http://www.theregister.com/2006/11/03/microsoft_novell_suse_linux/
[07:19] <robuntu> Hello, Anyone else concerned with M$ & SuSE "arrangement"? - SuSE used to be my fav - I'm very disappointed in them...
[07:19] <skreet> BadMagic: I'm not afraid of spending money on microsoft product.. haha
[07:19] <BadMagic> http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3641676
[07:19] <skreet> That's interested, maybe they'll incorporate some real shell into Vista?
[07:19] <skreet> :D
[07:19] <BadMagic> I like things that work
[07:19] <skreet> Like they said they would...
[07:19] <dennister> i'm having a real problem with konversation...lags and timeouts
[07:19] <lalo> ok skreet
[07:19] <lalo> THANKS
[07:19] <skreet> When they announced Vista it was supposed to include a 'revamped shell'
[07:19] <skreet> lalo: :) good luck.
[07:19] <BadMagic> there has been services for unix (add - on) for quite some time
[07:19] <dennister> i've tried modifying the settings but that doesn't seem to help
[07:20] <skreet> dennister: What version, I'm using it right now.
[07:20] <dennister> 1.01
[07:20] <dennister> with edgy and kde 3.5.5
[07:20] <skreet> I'd love to tell you what version I'm using butg Adept just killed itself
[07:20] <skreet> Wow
[07:20] <lalo> bye bye
[07:20] <lalo> take cake
[07:21] <lalo> c u
[07:21] <BadMagic> I'd be curious to see a compairson of the list of nicks that are in both kubuntu and suse from before the announcement and after... hehehe
[07:21] <skreet> Do me a favor and search for conversation in Adept
[07:21] <skreet> lalo: Bye :)
[07:21] <skreet> It crashes every time I use it
[07:21] <BadMagic> I love YaST, are there plans for it in Kubuntu?
[07:21] <skreet> YaST?
[07:21] <BadMagic> what is the 'updater' of choice in this distro?  smart?  apt?
[07:21] <skreet> I'm interested to see how Microsoft plays their cards with EL.
[07:22] <skreet> BadMagic: apt, it's Debian with real packages.
[07:22] <skreet> No XFree86..
[07:22] <skreet> :)
[07:22] <skreet> BadMagic: Excellent repos, imho
[07:22] <BadMagic> SuSE Yet Another Setup Tool
[07:22] <BadMagic> wonderfull for system configuration.  Novell open sourced it
[07:22] <dennister> skreet: the one i'm using is in adept...i'm installing the dbug now
[07:22] <rag> hello
[07:22] <BadMagic> hmmm
[07:22] <rag> please
[07:22] <skreet> dennister: Hmm..
[07:23] <rag> how to change from edgy to dapper, without risks....
[07:23] <BadMagic> so Kubuntu is debian (.deb) based for package management?
[07:23] <skreet> rag: Why?
[07:23] <skreet> BadMagic: 100%
[07:23] <rag> skreet: edgy to dapper, is possible?
[07:23] <skreet> rag: Not sure..
[07:23] <tobias> grrrrr
[07:23] <tobias> steve balmers head on a stick!
[07:23] <borisyeltsin> hi, how do I sort in openoffice.org spreadsheet by a chosen column? I want to sort ascending in column m, but it isn't doing it..
[07:24] <skreet> rag: http://forum.ubuntu.ro/viewtopic.php?id=1076
[07:24] <skreet> it's in russian, but there are instructions..
[07:25] <sparrwork> So I added the 'dri' module to my xorg.conf and my 3d acceleration "works" again.  But now I have boxes and Xs around particles (and maybe sprites) where I didn't a few reboots ago before this problem occurred.  Short of reinstalling to get the working configuration back and documenting every step I take, what can I do to try to troubleshoot this behavior?
[07:25] <Dr_willis> they might even work. :)
[07:25] <skreet> looks like, put dapper back in sources list, apt-get clean, autoclean and update
[07:25] <rag> skreet: :) thx
[07:25] <skreet> sparrwork: What driver?
[07:27] <skreet> Anyone know the easiest way to install KDevelop and ALL neccesary tools for developing at once/
[07:27] <skreet> is there a meta package? :D
[07:28] <lovethepirk> hello I was wondering how to find out what version of kubuntu I am running?
[07:28] <drarem> i did it earlier, along with several other developer tools - pain in the butt
[07:28] <skreet> lovethepirk: check /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:28] <drarem> i think i went to their website and followed some wiki instructions
[07:29] <skreet> you'll see deb http://repo main [something]  deb
[07:29] <skreet> something will be like.. dapper, edgy, etc.
[07:29] <drarem> there are other support libs and stuff like automake that may have to be rectified
[07:29] <lovethepirk> skreet: thanks checking now
[07:29] <skreet> drarem: bummer...
[07:30] <drarem> took me bout half an hour
[07:30] <skreet> drarem: I'll tackle it at some point
[07:30] <drarem> some of my issues were i need to relog back in to get kdevelop to show in my menu
[07:30] <lovethepirk> i have breezy repos
[07:31] <skreet> lovethepirk: Then that's your version.
[07:31] <skreet> lovethepirk: Are you looking to upgrade?
[07:31] <lovethepirk> yea thinking about it
[07:31] <lovethepirk> heard apt get isnt the best way to do it
[07:31] <lovethepirk> currently
[07:32] <lovethepirk> is there a command to see all your current versions ie...KDE,Kubuntu, etc..
[07:33] <sparrwork> skreet: i810 driver for an i865 onboard
[07:34] <thunderstorm> hi everybody
[07:34] <jpetso_away> how do i get the new battery systray icon to disappear permanently? it just keeps popping up every time i start kde
[07:34] <thunderstorm> can somebody helps me?
[07:35] <segfault> !ask
[07:35] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:35] <thunderstorm> i boot my edgy system at this afternoon - and my swap don't exist
[07:35] <thunderstorm> if i use the "free" command, it tells me in all points 0 (zero)
[07:36] <[cf] nightrid3r> thunderstorm: check /etc/fstab
[07:36] <thunderstorm> the fstab seems to be ok
[07:36] <visitor> hey everyone is this a free chat room?
[07:37] <dennister> gtg ppls...later
[07:37] <lovethepirk> i am still running ndiswrapper anyone know when there will be broadcom support for linux?
[07:37] <segfault> visitor, no
[07:37] <v3ctor> free as in beer or free as in freedom?
[07:40] <daif> hi
[07:40] <visitor> where are the free chat rooms?
[07:41] <daif> how i can install php4 on apache2 , i did't find the php4 package
[07:41] <jpetso> lovethepirk: i'm running a broadcom lan onboard broadcom 4400 with the b44 module, works perfectly. in other words, if you want an answer, better specify which broadcom device you've got
[07:41] <sparrwork> visitor: right here
[07:41] <webben> visitor: what do you mean "free chat rooms"?
[07:42] <webben> visitor: I don't see anyone taking your money in here...
[07:42] <lovethepirk> lsb_release -a     checks what version of kubuntu you are running
[07:42] <skreet> webben: I'm taking money..
[07:42] <daif> apache2 is installed , howto run as service ?
[07:42] <drarem> ahh another visitor... stay awhile... stay forever!!!
[07:43] <lovethepirk> anyone recently upgraded to 6.10 from breezy bagger
[07:43] <drarem> it's my c64 flashbacks
[07:43] <daif> hi answer me
[07:43] <visitor> no i mean chat rooms where you can talk about whatever not just
[07:43] <drarem>  /etc/init.d apache2 start
[07:44] <visitor> computer shit
[07:44] <skreet> visitor: Well, then this isn't the place.
[07:44] <v3ctor> visitor: it is not free in that way..we stay on topic here
[07:44] <jpetso> visitor: do a "/j myownchatroom"
[07:44] <skreet> this is more of a 'suppot' chat room
[07:44] <visitor> well does anyone know where i can find the chat room where i can talk about whatever??
[07:45] <v3ctor> you could try #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:45] <venkat> nic/ jobless
[07:46] <jpetso> if nobody minds, i'll try once more with my question from above
[07:46] <abattoir> venkat: /nick jobless
[07:46] <h3sp4wn> visitor: freenode is pretty much for programming / hacking (as in putting linux on obscure hardware ) / support chat
[07:46] <jpetso> how do i get the new battery systray icon in Kubuntu Edgy to disappear permanently? it just keeps popping up every time i start kde
[07:46] <h3sp4wn> visitor: there are other social irc networks
[07:46] <jobless> hey thnx abattoir
[07:46] <daif> hi what this is mean "
[07:46] <daif> apache2: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
[07:46] <daif> (13): make_sock: could not bind to address [::] :80
[07:46] <daif> no listening sockets available, shutting down
[07:46] <daif> Unable to open logs
[07:46] <daif> "
[07:46] <skreet> jpetso: Hang on a sec, looking.
[07:46] <daif> i can't run apache2
[07:46] <jobless> abattoir: i have finally got there.. i am working with ubuntu now ..
[07:46] <abattoir> jobless: you mean kubuntu? ;)
[07:47] <v3ctor> daif: did you configure it?
[07:47] <abattoir> jobless: congratulations
[07:47] <jobless> yes
[07:47] <jpetso> skreet: thx
[07:47] <jobless> but i am having some problem connecting to my secured wireless network ..
[07:47] <visitor>  i was in one yesterday so i know there is one
[07:48] <jobless> abattoir: i am using my neighbors wireless thats unsecured for now..
[07:48] <visitor> what are the other rooms in here?
[07:48] <abattoir> jobless: your network is WPA by any chance?
[07:49] <daif> v3ctor: i did't
[07:49] <abattoir> visitor: do a /list
[07:49] <skreet> jpetso: Wierd, it's not a KDE service..
[07:49] <jobless> yes wpa1 i guess
[07:49] <lovethepirk> skreet: do you think i should upgrade from 5.1 to 6.1 or fresh install?
[07:49] <abattoir> visitor: that'll give you the entire list of channels here
[07:49] <jobless> abattoir: should i change that?
[07:49] <skreet> lovethepirk: Upgrades usuall work, I went from 6.06-server to 6.10
[07:49] <abattoir> visitor: you can filter the ones that interest you
[07:49] <daif> v3ctor: i don't know howto configure it
[07:49] <lovethepirk> thanks
[07:49] <abattoir> jobless: if possible yes, WEP works well
[07:50] <abattoir> lovethepirk: wait
[07:50] <lovethepirk> abattoir: yes? ;)
[07:50] <abattoir> lovethepirk: DO NOT upgrade directly from 5.10 to edgy
[07:50] <knapp> Anyone here use Kopete?
[07:50] <jobless> abattoir: so is there no way that makes wpa works?
[07:50] <skreet> knapp: Can't see buddys on AIM?
[07:50] <lovethepirk> abattoir: thanks for your input how should i do it
[07:50] <letalis> knapp: i did until it stopped connecting to aim and icq
[07:50] <okon> hi @ all
[07:51] <lovethepirk> jobless: i could never get wpa to work but wep was a snap
[07:51] <abattoir> jobless: wpa doesn't work most of the time from my experience
[07:51] <knapp> Yeah, just wondering why it wont connect to aim?
[07:51] <skreet> letalis: Theres a fix for that.
[07:51] <skreet> knapp: ^^
[07:51] <skreet> hang on a sec, i fixed mine..
[07:51] <abattoir> lovethepirk: you'd need to upgrade to dapper, and then to edgy
[07:51] <letalis> what did they do change servers or something?
[07:51] <okon> i have a question
[07:51] <lovethepirk> abattoir:  thank you
[07:51] <okon> is there a known bug with kcontrol
[07:51] <jobless> abattoir: but i thought wep is not that secure compared to wpa?
[07:51] <okon> in edgy
[07:51] <letalis> ive been using gaim as a fallback
[07:51] <letalis> :)
[07:51] <abattoir> lovethepirk: which is a painful proess, so do a fresh install if you can ;)
[07:51] <thunderstorm> can somebody helps me with a hardware-question?
[07:52] <jpetso> !ask
[07:52] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:52] <lovethepirk> abattoir: is that fresh install going to wipe everything else i have ssetup out
[07:52] <skreet> letalis, knapp: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/
[07:52] <abattoir> jobless: well, unless you have issues of someone constantly using your network(like you are using your neighbours' now ;) ) i guess it's ok
[07:52] <lovethepirk> such as ndiswrapper
[07:52] <thunderstorm> is it possible, that a nvidia geforce 6200 loose the graphic-signal, if i have a lot of motion on the screen?
[07:52] <abattoir> lovethepirk: yes :(
[07:52] <knapp> skreet ill check it out, tnx bud
[07:52] <skreet> d/l .deb for your build, dpkg -i filename.deb
[07:53] <skreet> worked for me, in edgy
[07:53] <abattoir> lovethepirk: if you can, then upgrade to dapper and then to edgy
[07:53] <lovethepirk> just change my repos
[07:53] <okon> had noboudy problems with kcontrol?
[07:53] <abattoir> lovethepirk: upgrading from breezy to edgy theoretically will just break
[07:53] <jpetso> okon: none that i know of yet
[07:53] <jobless> abattoir: ok i will do that then..!! :))
[07:53] <thunderstorm> ubotu: sorry for my bad englisch, can you understand my problem?
[07:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sorry for my bad englisch, can you understand my problem? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:53] <abattoir> lovethepirk: yes, just change the breezy repos to dapper, and dist-upgrade
[07:54] <abattoir> !upgrade | lovethepirk
[07:54] <ubotu> lovethepirk: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[07:54] <abattoir> lovethepirk: follow those to upgrade from dapper to edgy
[07:54] <okon> jpetso: have u tried ti change things wich need root privileges?
[07:54] <letalis> skreet: what is the fix for kopete?
[07:54] <lovethepirk> abattoir: much love for the help
[07:54] <abattoir> lovethepirk: no problem ;)
[07:54] <jpetso> okon: for example?
[07:55] <letalis> nvm
[07:55] <letalis> lol
[07:55] <jobless> abattoir: one more question .. this may sound too dumb but i just copied the firefox setup file from the cd rom and am trying to install firefox by double clicking on it .. but nothing seems to happen ..!? how do i install new programs that come as executables?
[07:55] <letalis> just needed to look up
[07:55] <jpetso> okon: just tried Date & Time, works
[07:55] <abattoir> jobless: you are installing a windows .exe file?
[07:55] <okon> jpetso: starting kcotrol from terminal with sudo kcontrol produce a lot of error in the terminal
[07:55] <abattoir> jobless: no those won't work on linux
[07:56] <jobless> abattoir: that was from the kubuntu cd that i burned!!
[07:56] <jpetso> okon: i wouldn't worry about those
[07:56] <letalis> no love for 64 bit though
[07:56] <skreet> jobless: Use APT.
[07:56] <letalis> oh well
[07:56] <abattoir> jobless: oh, then you mean the deb ?
[07:56] <jpetso> okon: as long as it works
[07:56] <skreet> letalis: yea..
[07:56] <dimsuz> hi! please someone not lazy do a quick answer :). how to find out which package particular file belongs to?
[07:56] <dimsuz> I've read an faq, not found info
[07:56] <skreet> dimsuz: What file?
[07:56] <skreet> dimsuz: Don't rightly know but someone may know the file :D
[07:56] <dimsuz> skreet: any :-)
[07:56] <okon> jpetso: the problem is it isnt
[07:56] <skreet> dimsuz: oh
[07:56] <abattoir> dimsuz: dpkg -S file
[07:56] <skreet> abattoir: nice! :D
[07:57] <dimsuz> abattoir: that's what I needed. Thanks man!
[07:57] <jobless> abattoir: that file is in programs/firefox .. and is named firefoxsetup.exe
[07:57] <jpetso> okon: mmkay
[07:57] <abattoir> jobless: no, that's a windows installation file, won't work in linux
[07:57] <okon> jpetso: cant change anything what require root prevs
[07:57] <skreet> jobless: Use Adept.
[07:57] <abattoir> jobless: open a terminal... 'sudo apt-get update'
[07:57] <h3sp4wn> dimsuz: If you need to find where to get a file i.e a header you can use apt-file (but its slow)
[07:57] <dimsuz> a 'longer' question, apt says it wont upgrade 3 packages. how do I find which ones?
[07:57] <abattoir> jobless: when that's done, do 'sudo apt-get install firefox'
[07:57] <dimsuz> h3sp4wn: thanks!
[07:58] <abattoir> jobless: if you prefer to do it using a GUI, give Adept manager a try(in the System sub menu)
[07:58] <skreet> dimsuz: Adept or Aptitude will show you
[07:58] <h3sp4wn> dimsuz: dpkg -S relies on the file being installed
[07:58] <skreet> abattoir: GUI is easier for those learning.
[07:58] <dimsuz> h3sp4wn: yes, that's what I need.
[07:58] <skreet> abattoir: Hell, I prefer the GUI :D
[07:58] <dimsuz> skreet: thanks!
[07:58] <hfhf> anyone here game?
[07:59] <jpetso> okon: the "Administrator Mode" button doesn't work either?
[07:59] <skreet> hfhf: Such as?
[07:59] <hfhf> fps
[07:59] <jobless> abattoir: i will try both the approaches ..!
[07:59] <abattoir> skreet: well, if i recommend adept, people criticize, if i recommend apt-get/aptitude, people criticize :P
[07:59] <skreet> jpetso: Should launch kdesu.
[07:59] <h3sp4wn> aptitude gui is at least as easy to use (especially as the mouse works if its run in konsole)
[07:59] <skreet> abattoir: Screw them.
[07:59] <abattoir> skreet: lol
[07:59] <dimsuz> i'm just planning to switch from dialup to ADSL and wondering what modems will work with kubuntu... I guess any ethernet one will. What about USB?
[07:59] <hfhf> warsow, badass fps
[07:59] <h3sp4wn> always use aptitude and there will never be problems
[07:59] <abattoir> jobless: good, that way you'll learn and can assess yourself :)
[07:59] <skreet> dimsuz: Screw USB
[07:59] <jpetso> skreet: okon's the one whose sudo doesn't work, please ping him instead
[07:59] <skreet> hfhf: Never heard of it.. links?
[08:00] <hfhf> http://www.warsow.net/
[08:00] <dimsuz> skreet: you think? :D
[08:00] <skreet> jpetso: Oh, my mistake.
[08:00] <hfhf> linux and windows
[08:00] <h3sp4wn> dimsuz: I would use an ar7 router running openwrt
[08:00] <skreet> dimsuz: Yes.
[08:00] <dimsuz> skreet: my provider offers some huwei smartax 810 USB modem. Or ethernet one.
[08:00] <hfhf> it's awesome but needs more people playing it
[08:00] <h3sp4wn> dimsuz: pretty cheap
[08:00] <skreet> hfhf: Is it a mod?
[08:00] <dimsuz> h3sp4wn: yep
[08:00] <jobless> abattoir: how can i play my mp3's on kubuntu?
[08:00] <hfhf> quake 2 engine i believe
[08:01] <hfhf> but it looks really good
[08:01] <hfhf> for quake 2
[08:01] <dimsuz> h3sp4wn: will it work with linux? or I better off with ethernet one?
[08:01] <abattoir> jobless: when you open amarok, it'll ask you if you want to enable mp3 support
[08:01] <jobless> yes it did...
[08:01] <abattoir> jobless: amarok, btw, is the best music player on the planet if you didn't know ;)
[08:01] <dimsuz> h3sp4wn: ah. and I can buy a modem myself. as an option
[08:01] <h3sp4wn> dimsuz: the router itself would run linux (openwrt) - manufacturers firmware is a waste of time
[08:01] <hfhf> amarok is awesome
[08:01] <abattoir> jobless: oh ok, then just yes, enable multiverse/universe, and it'll do the rest for you
[08:01] <hfhf> i made my brother in law switch by showing him amarok
[08:02] <okon> jpetso: thy button is there an seem to work but changing things in admin mode has no effect becaus the aply button is gray (unpressable))
[08:02] <hfhf> the lyrics and wikipedia feature is amazing
[08:02] <dimsuz> abattoir: amarok is crashing VERY often on dapper. it's 1.4.3 here. But I like it sooo much that i can forgive anything :)
[08:02] <abattoir> dimsuz: try upgrading to 1.4.4 then
[08:02] <hfhf> how is 1.4.4?
[08:02] <skreet> hfhf: Agreed.
[08:02] <dimsuz> abattoir: it's for edgy. And I'm on dapper (waiting for disks with edgy)
[08:02] <abattoir> hfhf: it has support for a music store
[08:03] <jpetso> okon: i don't know what's wrong, sorry
[08:03] <abattoir> dimsuz: oh, dapper packages aren't out?
[08:03] <hfhf> on mirc can you connect to multiple channels?
[08:03] <okon> jpetso: k thanks
[08:03] <dimsuz> h3sp4wn: sorry, my bad english :). you recommend to buy a router?
[08:03] <skreet> hfhf: Is this a mod for anyting (back to warsow)
[08:03] <jobless> abattoir: hey do we need to restart or do something when the adept completes installing the package?
[08:03] <dimsuz> abattoir: last time I checked they weren't
[08:03] <h3sp4wn> dimsuz: You can get cheap adsl routers that can run third party linux firmwares
[08:03] <hfhf> not a mod but uses the quake 2 engine
[08:04] <skreet> quake2?
[08:04] <hfhf> it's standalone
[08:04] <skreet> wow
[08:04] <skreet> Looks decent for q2 engine
[08:04] <hfhf> it's cell shaded and looks good
[08:04] <abattoir> jobless: no not really, you can pretty much forget the habit of restarting whenever you install something ;)
[08:04] <hfhf> i'm sure it's updated
[08:04] <jobless> abattoir: thats cool ..
[08:05] <skreet> hfhf: Any widescreen support?
[08:05] <h3sp4wn> jobless: depending what it is sometimes it can be sensible to not be running the thing you are updating
[08:05] <dimsuz> h3sp4wn: ah. well I think I'll just go on with provider's ethernet one... easy and fast setup ;-)
[08:05] <hfhf> that i do not know sorry
[08:05] <skreet> i haven't enabled direct rendering on this laptop yet
[08:05] <skreet> i'll probably throw it on my gaming box at home and check it out
[08:06] <hfhf> i wanna put together a linux gaming box
[08:06] <skreet> hfhf: Too many good Dx games :(
[08:06] <hfhf> i really want rid of windows, but there is too much holding me back
[08:06] <skreet> hfhf: I have no desire to get rid of my windows pcs
[08:06] <dimsuz> btw, guys, how pppoe and rp-pppoe packages differ? sorry I'm completely dumb atm ;)
[08:07] <hfhf> i'll most likely buy another pc
[08:07] <skreet> dimsuz: If you're using an ethernet routerer or router/modem combo (which most dsl providers use now) yhou dont have to worry about pppoe
[08:07] <dimsuz> I have pppoeconf. and docu says I will also need rp-pppoe
[08:07] <skreet> you can just use ethernet
[08:07] <hfhf> anyone here try gentoo or sabayon?
[08:07] <skreet> it'll assign you an internal IP (192.168.1.101 probably) and NAT you to your global IP address
[08:07] <h3sp4wn> pppoe is pretty easy to setup
[08:07] <skreet> hfhf: I had a gentoo server until I recently blew it up
[08:07] <dimsuz> skreet: hm? My provider said I will have dhcp ip adress. - that meens no pppoe?
[08:08] <skreet> dimsuz: Correct
[08:08] <skreet> dimsuz: Well, probably.
[08:08] <skreet> dimsuz: Find out when you get it, I guess.
[08:08] <skreet> dimsuz: Who's the provider?
[08:08] <dimsuz> skreet: so, my eth0 will be just as... well... eth0? :D
[08:08] <skreet> dimsuz: Probably.
[08:08] <jobless> abattoir: hey .. i got mp3 support .. :) thanks
[08:08] <skreet> dimsuz: Most companies stopped doing pppoe
[08:08] <dimsuz> skreet: well, I don't think you know it :-). its local one. In russia ;)
[08:08] <abattoir> jobless: nice :)
[08:08] <hfhf> anyone here try enlightenment?
[08:09] <h3sp4wn> baseband is still better than any of the consumer broadband stuff (if you have somewhere suitable to put the endpoint)
[08:09] <h3sp4wn> hfhf: I use e17 exclusively
[08:09] <rellis> Anyone have any idea how to better diagnose what's going wrong in Konqueror/Nautilus when attempting to access SMB shares? I get this.. "Internal Error, libsmbclient reported an error, but did not specify what the problem is."
[08:09] <dimsuz> skreet: so to switch adsl off I would use smth like ifdown eth0?
[08:09] <hfhf> is it as pretty as I here?
[08:09] <BluesKaj> amarok rocks ! ...i wish i could use it instead of the xmms player in streamtuner, tried ssubbing amarok in the preferences dialog but it won't link.
[08:09] <skreet> dimsuz: Your DSL will never turn off, if you have a router.
[08:10] <skreet> h3sp4wn: What's e17?
[08:10] <h3sp4wn> !e17
[08:10] <ubotu> Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work. E17 is the current development version.
[08:10] <dimsuz> skreet: so i wont be able to stop it?
[08:10] <dimsuz> skreet: i mean manually
[08:10] <skreet> h3sp4wn: Jesus, Enlightenment is still around?
[08:10] <skreet> dimsuz: Hmm, If you turn off the router... why would you stop it?
[08:10] <skreet> :)
[08:10] <rellis> If I connect to smb://server in Konqueror it loads and displays the list of shares. As soon as I double click one and try to display the contents it errors.
[08:10] <BluesKaj> skreet, it does need resynching every once in a while tho ...rebooting the router helps
[08:11] <skreet> BluesKaj: Facts of life, I suppose.
[08:11] <dimsuz> skreet: well, for example if I notice that some unknown program is downloading 1Gb file ;)
[08:11] <BluesKaj> yup
[08:11] <skreet> dimsuz: You can turn off your ethernet on your PC
[08:11] <skreet> which will disconnect you from the router.
[08:11] <h3sp4wn> skreet: heavy development for ~ 6 years (They have written the wm and all the support libraries as well (which makes it unbloated compared to kde or gnome)
[08:11] <iaccix> hi to all!
[08:11] <dimsuz> skreet: and should I setup ipchans?
[08:11] <skreet> dimsuz: I dont know what that is.
[08:11] <dimsuz> skreet: you mean my turn of ADSL modem?
[08:11] <BluesKaj> not complaining skreet , a router is great protection too
[08:11] <skreet> Kubuntu should be 100% ready to go.
[08:11] <dimsuz> skreet: firewall :)
[08:12] <dimsuz> s/my/I/
[08:12] <skreet> dimsuz: Router will have a firewall, unless you want software firewall as well
[08:12] <skreet> h3sp4wn: I haven't used it in like 6 years, haha
[08:12] <BluesKaj> hardware firewalls rule!
[08:12] <skreet> BluesKaj: yep
[08:12] <h3sp4wn> skreet: probably pretty much the last major release
[08:12] <khirr> what about KIO error?
[08:12] <BluesKaj> software fw suck for the most part
[08:13] <khirr> how can i resolve this
[08:13] <skreet> BluesKaj: Slow and useless if you have hardware, imho
[08:13] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: Openbsd pf is a better firewall than any except the most expensive enterprise firewalls
[08:13] <skreet> khirr: Where did you see this error?
[08:13] <dimsuz> skreet: oh. so much info :D. I guess I'll just wait until I set up all things :D
[08:13] <skreet> h3sp4wn: If you run it as a firewall box, not as a software app on a workstation..
[08:13] <khirr> when i wanted open mi USB memio, on mi browser
[08:13] <dimsuz> skreet: thanks for answering! :)
[08:14] <skreet> dimsuz: np
[08:14] <khirr> when i wanted copy one file since ntfs partition
[08:14] <rellis> pf and iptables both make for excellent firewalls.
[08:14] <skreet> khirr: Were you able to see the files?
[08:14] <khirr> i've never seen this :S
[08:14] <khirr> yes
[08:14] <h3sp4wn> rellis: pf is alot more powerful
[08:14] <khirr> 2 hours ago i did
[08:14] <skreet> khirr: Does it work on other PCs?
[08:14] <khirr> yes
[08:14] <khirr> 2 hours ago i've used it
[08:14] <skreet> khirr: Memory stick, or external hard drive?
[08:14] <rellis> h3sp4wn: Not really, or at least not na any meaningfull way to me.
[08:14] <skreet> khirr: On that PC?
[08:14] <khirr> yes
[08:15] <skreet> Can you show us the error message?
[08:15] <skreet> h3sp4wn: e17 looks pretty sweet...
[08:15] <khirr> i've installed some repositry and downloaded Kmess, since that..i cant do it
[08:15] <khirr> No se pudo iniciar el proceso Imposible crear slave de E/S:
[08:15] <khirr>  Klauncher devolvi: Error al cargar 'kio_http'.
[08:15] <h3sp4wn> rellis: features like having automatic failover and keeping state for existing connections
[08:15] <h3sp4wn> rellis: and the config file is more sensible
[08:15] <khirr> there are more erros
[08:15] <khirr> but, this is just one
[08:16] <rellis> h3sp4wn:Failover of what exactly?
[08:16] <h3sp4wn> rellis: 2 firewalls - 1 dies
[08:16] <rellis> h3sp4wn: iptables is stateful..
[08:16] <h3sp4wn> rellis: switching transparantly to the other
[08:16] <h3sp4wn> rellis: Not losing any existing connections
[08:16] <rellis> you mean a backup firewall?
[08:17] <h3sp4wn> yes but working transparantly
[08:17] <rellis> Like if the box died alltogether?
[08:17] <h3sp4wn> yep
[08:18] <rellis> h3sp4wn: You can just have redundant routes, no real need for that at all.
[08:18] <h3sp4wn> rellis: Loses existing connection
[08:19] <rellis> h3sp4wn: No, both client and server maintain connection info and restablish through the alternate route.
[08:19] <h3sp4wn> rellis: That takes time though
[08:20] <rellis> h3sp4wn: It happens seemlessly really :)
[08:20] <rellis> h3sp4wn: Both applications server the purpose just fine..
[08:20] <hfhf> .
[08:20] <rellis> h3sp4wn: pf vs iptables is about as good a discussion as Linux VS AIX.
[08:20] <rellis> h3sp4wn: Both offer advantages and disadvantages.
[08:21] <trappist> pf has a nice syntax.  iptables has some pretty nifty features.
[08:22] <rellis> trappist: yep
[08:23] <Jowi> hi, I'm curious. is gconfd-2 running in the background even on a fresh kubuntu install? If you only run a few gnome apps is it needed ?
[08:23] <skreet> khirr: Wierd error.
[08:24] <steve__> Yo
[08:24] <h3sp4wn> rellis: Out of interest what are the features iptables has than pf does not ?
[08:24] <^itch> Each time I start or stop the apache2 server I`m geting this error (apache2: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName), and I can`t figure it put how to fix it. Any sugestion ?
[08:24] <steve__> hi itch
[08:25] <skreet> ^itch: sudo hostname returns what?
[08:25] <^itch> "cerebro"
[08:25] <^itch> my hot that is
[08:25] <^itch> *host
[08:25] <rellis> h3sp4wn: Oh I don't know off the top of my head. My point was simply that they'[re seperate pieces of software. I've used both and have never come accross anything where one seemed unable to do what I wanted it to.
[08:26] <skreet> does cat /etc/hosts show that name tied to 127.0.0.1
[08:26] <rellis> h3sp4wn: Oh I don't know oh3sp4wn: Both are quite robust and well suited :)
[08:26] <rellis> meh.. that got all garbled =/
[08:26] <rellis> h3sp4wn: Both are quite robust and well suited :)
[08:27] <^itch> skreet, yes: 127.0.0.1 localhost
[08:27] <^itch> 127.0.1.1 Cerebro
[08:27] <skreet> ^itch: I forget where else it looks...
[08:28] <skreet> try #apache as well
[08:28] <maltaethiron> hey guys, does kopete automatically log conversations?
[08:28] <jobless> hey is there some video player for kubuntu?
[08:28] <^itch> skelter, ok, 10x :)
[08:28] <^itch> jobless, try mplayer or vlc. they are the best, imho
[08:28] <jobless> my bad .. i think i found it
[08:29] <jobless> kaffeine?
[08:29] <jobless> isn't that good?!
[08:29] <maltaethiron> kaffeine works great for me
[08:30] <^itch> skelter, can you try helping me with another problem, please?
[08:31] <wizard> Okay, so I've got a friend whose attempting to install Kubuntu right now.
[08:31] <jpetso> skreet: i was just told the battery systray prog lives in /usr/share/autostart, thanks a lot for looking it up anyways
[08:31] <wizard> grub sometimes boots to kubuntu, othertimes it causes the computer to simply reboot
[08:31] <wizard> anyone have a solution or idea what could cause this?
[08:31] <skreet> jpetso: I'll try to remember..
[08:31] <^itch> skreet, can you try helping me with another problem, please?
[08:33] <skreet> ^itch: Shoot.
[08:34] <skreet> Anyone know a good resource for learning to program in GTK2?
[08:34] <h3sp4wn> skreet: probably better off in a gnome channel
[08:34] <skreet> h3sp4wn: Probably..
[08:34] <h3sp4wn> skreet: (to find out that)
[08:35] <^itch> skreet , each time I try to halt or reboot my kubuntu, the system hangs and freezes. And I have to reboot by coolreset.
[08:36] <skreet> ^itch: Anyting of use in /var/log/messages?
[08:37] <ehird> how would i install a .kth skin?
[08:37] <^itch> skreet, what am I looking for in /var/log/messages?
[08:37] <ehird> it just tries to load Install KDE Theme then exits
[08:37] <skreet> ^itch: Error messages around the time of the hang up
[08:43] <Angrataf> *test*
[08:44] <Angrataf> anybody here?
[08:44] <Angrataf> oO
[08:44] <ehird> no ideas
[08:44] <ehird> ?
[08:44] <beefsprocket> could be
[08:44] <Dr_willis> Moo?
[08:45] <Moo_> Dr_willis!
[08:45] <Angrataf> ehm... i search a how-to for installing the ati drivers (x1900xt) in Kubuntu
[08:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[08:45] <Dr_willis> Mad cow!
[08:45] <beefsprocket> Angrataf: one sec,
[08:45] <Dr_willis> Moo!
[08:45] <Dr_willis> fortune | cowsay              <-------- Wise Cow.
[08:45] <MidMark> h3sp4wn: but if you put a MAC filter in the access point isn't uncrackable?
[08:45] <beefsprocket> Angrataf: you want the edgy fglrx or the ati binary?
[08:46] <Angrataf> the edgy
[08:46] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: MAC filters are pretty trivial to get round
[08:46] <MidMark> h3sp4wn: how?
[08:46] <beefsprocket> MidMark: ifconfig
[08:47] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: Just change the mac to an allowed one
[08:47] <beefsprocket> Angrataf: apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` and apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx, one sec though
[08:47] <MidMark> h3sp4wn: yes but one can understand? with brute force?
[08:47] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: easy to find whilst someone is connected
[08:48] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: then just wait until it disconnects then use it
[08:49] <beefsprocket> Angrataf: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Install_ATI_driver
[08:49] <Angrataf> beefsprocket: thx
[08:49] <beefsprocket> np
[08:49] <MidMark> h3sp4wn: ah ok, you can understand which MAC is connected to an access point?
[08:50] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: If its going through the air you can use all sorts of tools to get round it
[08:50] <T3hWiz0rd> yay
[08:50] <T3hWiz0rd> the kubuntu people
[08:51] <beefsprocket> yay indeed
[08:52] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: Have a look at aircrack-ng / wireshark / ettercap etc to see what they can do (I am not true interested in cracking stuff just half aware of what people can or can not do)
[08:52] <jobless> guys, i am using a dell laptop and the power manger is showing what i think is some wrong information ..
[08:53] <jobless> it shows the battery as full and the cpu frequency as 800MHz
[08:53] <T3hWiz0rd> how would osmoene go about reinstalling grub on kubuntu?
[08:53] <beefsprocket> T3hWiz0rd: try grub-install
[08:53] <beefsprocket> but what's the problem?
[08:53] <jobless> what does this cpu frequency mean? is it supposed to be the full speed of the cpu?
[08:53] <T3hWiz0rd> just sudo grub-install?
[08:53] <T3hWiz0rd> beefsprocket: his computer restarts everytiem grub launches
[08:53] <MidMark> h3sp4wn: ok thanx, so only wpa2 is a good protection or at least wpa1
[08:53] <T3hWiz0rd> beefsprocket: well not everytime, but a lot of the times
[08:54] <beefsprocket> MidMark: wpa2 with aes is best, you also want a 26 character long passphrase
[08:54] <beefsprocket> T3hWiz0rd: so it reboots because of grub ?
[08:54] <jobless> @abattoir: i need some help with the cpu frequency in power manager ..
[08:54] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: you can use wpa2 with radius (and securid) depends on what you need
[08:55] <T3hWiz0rd> beefsprocket: yup
[08:55] <MidMark> for radius I need an extra-server always on isn't?
[08:55] <T3hWiz0rd> beefsprocket: and only kubuntu grub, suse grub worked fine.
[08:55] <beefsprocket> T3hWiz0rd: ok, sata drive(s)?
[08:55] <jobless> abattoir: it shows 800 Hz as the frequency, instead of the real speed!
[08:55] <T3hWiz0rd> beefsprocket: one sec asking...
[08:55] <beefsprocket> also, suse grub destroys kubuntu grub in my experience
[08:56] <Angrataf> i've a "problem" (my english isn't good enough): "Amount of memory (kB) to be used by the video card:  "  what should i type? i have 512 MB video ram
[08:56] <beefsprocket> jobless: if your processor is idle and supports scaling (like on a laptop) that
[08:56] <beefsprocket> s right
[08:56] <T3hWiz0rd> beefsprocket: his drives are ATA
[08:56] <beefsprocket> Angrataf: you can skip that
[08:56] <Angrataf> ok
[08:56] <MidMark> but wep is crackable because it sends the wep key over the air??
[08:56] <jobless> beefsprocket: so if i run some programs it jumps up?!
[08:57] <beefsprocket> jobless: yup, it's a powersaving feature on most processors
[08:57] <beefsprocket> T3hWiz0rd: my experience with suse grub was that it completely took over my system
[08:57] <beefsprocket> T3hWiz0rd: I recall i just backed up my boot directory, formatted my /boot partition (I hope he has one?)
[08:57] <jobless> beefsprocket: ohh thanks for the info ..
[08:57] <T3hWiz0rd> beefsprocket: his computer simply reboots sometimes in the middle of grub launching.
[08:58] <beefsprocket> T3hWiz0rd: why not put a kubuntu entry into his suse menu.lst then?
[08:58] <T3hWiz0rd> beefsprocket: it may be in control by iwndows its a dual boot machine.
[08:58] <T3hWiz0rd> beefsprocket: he said he didn't create a boot partition himself. so unless the kubuntu install did it automatically... yanno
[08:58] <beefsprocket> T3hWiz0rd: likely on reboots to different drives the bios is changing the drive mapping
[08:59] <T3hWiz0rd> bernete: so what should he do?
[08:59] <beefsprocket> T3hWiz0rd: so if he boots suse on one drive, then reboots to kubuntu, the drives show up ina different order
[09:00] <T3hWiz0rd> beefsprocket: suse should be gone now... it should be windows XP and Kubuntu
[09:00] <beefsprocket> MidMark: wep is crackable even if there is no wireless client on the ap
[09:00] <beefsprocket> T3hWiz0rd: unless he formatted suse grub sticks around
[09:00] <T3hWiz0rd> beefsprocket: he formatted yes.
[09:00] <beefsprocket> T3hWiz0rd: ok, so two drives or one?
[09:01] <MidMark> beefsprocket: yes but I want to understand why
[09:01] <T3hWiz0rd> beefsprocket: asking now.
[09:01] <beefsprocket> MidMark: well, wep without a client on wireless -- if there is a wired client on the router, arp requests go out over both wired and wireless
[09:02] <T3hWiz0rd> beefsprocket: 3 drives
[09:02] <beefsprocket> MidMark: because the initialization vector (IV, the encryption key(s)) go out with arp requests, it's about 20 minutes to capture, replay, and crack the key
[09:03] <beefsprocket> T3hWiz0rd: ok, if kubuntu is on it's own drive, then grub-install /dev/hdx *could* reinitialize it
[09:03] <beefsprocket> T3hWiz0rd: you'll want to find someone more knowledgeable though
[09:03] <beefsprocket> T3hWiz0rd: I don't want to make it worse than it is
[09:03] <T3hWiz0rd> beefsprocket: re-running grub-install would just reset up grub right? and it does do an autodetect on drives doesn't it?
[09:03] <Angrataf> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[09:03] <Angrataf> Xlib: No protocol specified
[09:03] <Angrataf> Error: unable to open display :0
[09:04] <Angrataf> if i typ fglrxinfo
[09:04] <beefsprocket> T3hWiz0rd: if he has a livecd of kubuntu that would be ideal
[09:04] <T3hWiz0rd> beefsprocket: hes got the install cd which ops as a live CD
[09:05] <beefsprocket> T3hWiz0rd: best thing to do is boot it and run grub from there, that way the drive(s) are unmounted
[09:05] <beefsprocket> and in their default order
[09:05] <T3hWiz0rd> beefsprocket: where would he go in the live CD to install grub? is there a graphical option by chance?
[09:05] <RickSeymour> Hi.. i'm new to ubuntu (thinking about moving from gentoo)... how well supported is amd64?
[09:06] <beefsprocket> T3hWiz0rd: a terminal
[09:06] <RickSeymour> for debian packages... is an amd64 package released at same time as i386?
[09:06] <beefsprocket> RickSeymour: yep
[09:06] <beefsprocket> RickSeymour: native 64bit openoffice, firefox etc.
[09:06] <beefsprocket> Angrataf: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide
[09:07] <beefsprocket> Angrataf: try disabling composite, then the aticonfig lines
[09:07] <RickSeymour> ooooooooo .. very nice :) i've given your LiveCD/DVDs a go and all looks ok.... i'm looking to keep on top with KDE4 migration :)
[09:07] <Angrataf> thx, i try it
[09:08] <beefsprocket> RickSeymour: kubuntu.org is good about setting up testing repositories for new stuff, like kde4, amarok, etc.
[09:09] <beefsprocket> RickSeymour: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.2.php
[09:09] <RickSeymour> oh yea.. i know about the website.. been having a nosy... just obviously.. coming from gentoo.. source builds etc
[09:09] <wizard> hmmm
[09:09] <beefsprocket> RickSeymour: right. you can do source builds with .debs too
[09:10] <RickSeymour> really really!!? are they in a seperate section
[09:10] <RickSeymour> as i notice.. for nvidia drivers.... gentoo has the 9626 version...
[09:10] <beefsprocket> RickSeymour: well most repositories are both deb and deb-src
[09:11] <gholen> How does one rip Mp3's in Kubuntu?
[09:12] <TheGateKeeper> To listen to mp3's etc using amaroK use the xine engine & install libxine-extracodecs. If you are in the the us you will need to use a different mirror as this package seems to have been removed from the us repos. To burn mp3's using K3b you will need to install libk3b2-mp3
[09:12] <freemason> try to make it through juicer or arson
[09:12] <beefsprocket> gholen: a good program is kaudicreator
[09:12] <Pensacola> korganizer doesn't work on both my computers, I installed kubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu :s
[09:12] <beefsprocket> kaudiocreator that is
[09:13] <gholen> yeah, seem I know that, but how do i rip it, KDE geves me an error
[09:13] <freemason> yes kaudiocreator is good choice
[09:13] <beefsprocket> gholen: you'll also need the lame packages
[09:13] <gholen> The selected encoder was not found.
[09:13] <gholen> The wav file has been removed. Command was: audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! lame name=enc bitrate=128
[09:13] <gholen> thats the error
[09:13] <freemason> if you don't have them sure you will
[09:14] <freemason> or you can rip the music into the ogg format
[09:14] <nix> Pensacola: what's the error you get?
[09:14] <beefsprocket> what freemason said :) ogg > mp3
[09:14] <Pensacola> no particular error, the icon is in the tray but it does nothing when I click it
[09:14] <gholen> My Mp3 player doesen't support ogg :(
[09:14] <beefsprocket> gholen: ah
[09:14] <Pensacola> but when I open an ics file it suddenly pops up
[09:14] <freemason> what? xmms should make it
[09:14] <nix> try accessing it from Kontact
[09:14] <beefsprocket> freemason: I think he means his portable player
[09:15] <freemason> oh yes sorry
[09:15] <maxx_k> hi. does somebody know why the media applet does not show an icon for unmounted removable mediums anymore?
[09:15] <beefsprocket> ;)
[09:15] <maxx_k> it did show an icon for an unmounted usb stick in dapper, but not in edgy anymore
[09:15] <nix> mybe try right clicking it.
[09:15] <freemason> beefprocket: where are you from?
[09:15] <beefsprocket> gholen: sudo apt-get install lame lame-extras liblame0
[09:15] <beefsprocket> freemason: toronto
[09:16] <freemason> beefprocket: ok I come from Slovakia
[09:16] <beefsprocket> gholen: then restart kaudiocreator
[09:16] <freemason> beefprocket: :-)
[09:16] <dennister> well, well, well...howdy neighbour :)
[09:16] <gholen> thanks! and then?
[09:16] <beefsprocket> freemason: well hello slovakia :)
[09:16] <dennister> <--also toronto
[09:16] <freemason> beefprocket: hello toronto
[09:16] <beefsprocket> dennister: w0t!
[09:16] <beefsprocket> w00t!
[09:16] <freemason> beefprocket: how long are you on linux?
[09:16] <beefsprocket> freemason: a couple years
[09:17] <dennister> beefsprocket: we're neighbours :) which part of to?
[09:17] <T3hWiz0rd> lol kubuntu only recognizes my top drive 0.o
[09:17] <freemason> beefprocket: me as well, now i am translating the kde progz into our native language
[09:17] <Angrataf> w00t! i have installed the driver :D
[09:17] <beefsprocket> dennister: downtown at linuxcaffe right now, by bathurst and bloor
[09:17] <beefsprocket> Angrataf: :) good job dude
[09:17] <dennister> the bloor!
[09:17] <Angrataf> but my screenresolution is ugly... how to change?
[09:17] <dennister> love that area
[09:17] <beefsprocket> dennister: where are you at?
[09:18] <dennister> now in the pape-danforth area
[09:18] <dennister> but most of the last 26 years has been in west end
[09:18] <beefsprocket> dennister: got friends at broadview
[09:18] <dennister> lived on walmer for a year
[09:18] <beefsprocket> dennister: no way, I live on brunswick
[09:19] <dennister> and u've been on linux for 2 years :)
[09:19] <beefsprocket> Angrataf: what kind of monitor? check system settings -> monitor and display
[09:19] <dennister> i desperately need some help with mysql..hasn't created the necessary myswld.sock file
[09:19] <beefsprocket> is that in /tmp?
[09:20] <freemason> beefprocket: have you ever worked with the nessus? quite a nice program
[09:20] <dennister> no, it should be in var/run/mysqld directory...but the file doesn't exist in the whole system
[09:20] <T3hWiz0rd> anyone able to explain why kubuntu doesn't see my second CD-rom drive?
[09:20] <beefsprocket> freemason: oh yeah, never paid for the subscription, but the free version rocks
[09:20] <Angrataf> hm... i cant put it higher than 1024 x 768, but my resolution is normaly 1024 x 1040
[09:21] <beefsprocket> Angrataf: try putting "1024x1040" in the screen section of your xorg.conf then, put it before each "1024x768" entry
[09:21] <Pensacola> korganizer works from kontact so I'll work with that
[09:21] <Pensacola> thanks nix
[09:21] <Angrataf> ok
[09:21] <freemason> beefprocket: hehe I like this program alot, just to make no harm to the others but to check my security
[09:22] <gholen> nope, does not work.... :(
 what doesn't work?
[09:23] <dennister> beefsprocket: did u see my reply? the mysql.sock should be in var/run/mysqld directory, but it doesn't exist anywhere in the whole system...how can i get it created?
[09:24] <gholen> ripping... Ive installed lame and the other things, but it dont seem to work....guess I'm to used to gnome and it's programs
[09:24] <trappist> dennister: starting mysql should create that, unless you set it to not listen on a socket
[09:24] <beefsprocket> gholen: did you set the encoder in your preferences
[09:25] <freemason> gholen: beefsprocket is right
[09:25] <beefsprocket> dennister: you have an lo interface in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[09:25] <gholen> beefsprocket: Found it!
[09:25] <gholen> Done!
[09:25] <beefsprocket> wicked, enjoy
[09:25] <gholen> Thans everyone
[09:25] <freemason> gholen: ok you r good
[09:25] <freemason> :-)
[09:26] <freemason> be back in a minute
[09:26] <taterd_dr> anyone use a USB card reader with their laptop?
[09:27] <dennister> trappist :) tried it, and i got the ok, followed by:  * Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables.
[09:28] <trappist> dennister: that's normal
[09:28] <trappist> dennister: grep ^socket /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[09:29] <dennister> omg! i think that did it
[09:29] <trappist> heh
[09:29] <beefsprocket> gholen can have both if he wants
[09:30] <dennister> yepper! wahoo!
[09:31] <hfhf> does anyone know when the feisty knot oor whatever comes out?
[09:32] <dennister> unfortuantely, mythtv-backend still can't start
[09:32] <sparrwork> I installed kubuntu edgy and 3d acceleration with my i865 using the i810 driver worked great.  Then I updated my packages and rebooted and had no 3d accel at all.  I added 'dri' do my xorg.conf module list and got acceleration back, but now I have glitches like funky boxes around particles and such.  I installed the xserver-xorg-video-intel(?) package and rebooted, no improvement.  Help?
[09:32] <ruedi> aw... it doens't work. now, it has changed the keymap and the screenresolution is crap
[09:32] <dennister> trappist: i think i need to dump stuff?
[09:33] <trappist> dennister: what do you mean
[09:33] <beefsprocket> sparrwork: do you have linux-restricted-modules`uname -r` insalled?
[09:33] <trappist> dennister: you need to make database dumps?
[09:33] <beefsprocket> s/insaled/installed
[09:33] <Pjatt> Can amarok play flac files?
[09:33] <beefsprocket> Pjatt: yep, one sec, I just set that up the other day
[09:34] <dennister> well, if the original sock file wasn't created when i filled the database, i have to start rom scratch to fill the database, right? and hopefully it'll be able to find the sock this time?
[09:34] <sparrwork> ii  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-generic 2.6.17.6-1                    Non-free Linux 2.6.17 modules on x86_64 gene
[09:34] <hfhf> anyone here use blender frequently?
[09:34] <trappist> dennister: no, if you had databases before, they should still be there
[09:34] <sparrwork> beefsprocket: ^^, x86_64??
[09:35] <trappist> dennister: what did that command give you?
[09:35] <pc9104> Wei jemand wo ich Skype als RMP file finden kann? Does anybody know where i could find skipe as a rmp file?
[09:35] <trappist> dennister: the one I gave you a minute ago
[09:35] <dennister> when i did the grep i got 3 mysqld.sock results, and i was able to confirm the file had been created in konq
[09:36] <dennister> but then i tried to start mythtv-backend, the one that depends on that mysql database, and i got the same old error:
[09:37] <sparrwork> beefsprocket: in short, yes
[09:37] <dennister> Restarting MythTV server: mythbackendNo /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed. Session management error: Could not open network socket
[09:37] <beefsprocket> oh
[09:38] <ruedi> ok, the screenresolution is good (damn, under suse it tooks over 2 hours, to install it)
[09:38] <ruedi> :)
[09:38] <Pjatt> beefsprocket:  Do i need to install something to play flac files in amarok?
[09:39] <dennister> notice the naming discrepancy? i have to start myth's backend with 'mythtv-backend', yet the result uses 'mythbackend'
[09:39] <trappist> dennister: are you sure that means it can't connect to mysql?  if so, are you sure it's looking in the right place for the mysql socket?
[09:39] <trappist> dennister: one is probably a wrapper for the other
[09:39] <ruedi> how can i change the keyboard layout?
[09:40] <dennister> yes, it is looking for in the right place...i've checked my.cnf file and the sock file is in the same directory now
[09:40] <beefsprocket> Pjatt: http://hvidgaard.dk/download/xine-flac-update/
[09:40] <dennister> i'm not sure i understand what a wrapper is, i'm afraid
[09:40] <pc9104> In Kubuntu easy Keyboard layout:System menu
[09:41] <TheGateKeeper> Pjatt: don't specifically know about flac files, I know you need libxine-extracodecs for mp3, no idea what else it supports
[09:41] <beefsprocket> TheGateKeeper, Pjatt, it's some problem with libxine
[09:42] <dennister> u certainly need to install flac itself
[09:42] <TheGateKeeper> beefsprocket: he wants to play flac files
[09:42] <beefsprocket> TheGateKeeper: in amarok, which uses libxine
[09:42] <beefsprocket> Pjatt, TheGateKeeper:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=210683
[09:43] <dennister> trappist: ? did u see my reply?
[09:43] <ruedi> njargh... it looks like i am a idiot... i can't find the menu to change the kayboard layout
[09:44] <dennister> i'm wondering if i shouldn't perhaps grep myth itself..lol seems to be magic
[09:45] <dennister> of course, i don't understand wrappers or grep...grep just seems to bind things together somehow
[09:45] <sparrwork> beefsprocket: any other ideas?
[09:45] <beefsprocket> sparrwork: maybe try xserver-xorg-video-intel instead of i810 ?
[09:46] <stamen> !nvidia
[09:46] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:46] <dennister> beefsprocket: u going to be here later? not often i find a neighbour so close
[09:46] <beefsprocket> dennister: sure, and if you come over to christie and bloor, a block south is the linuxcaffe
[09:47] <beefsprocket> dennister: in fact, this saturday we're doing an ubuntu-toronto workshop
[09:47] <dennister> i can't come now...do u work there?
[09:47] <beefsprocket> from there :)
[09:47] <beefsprocket> dennister: http://www.linuxcaffe.ca/node/784
[09:47] <beefsprocket> of course you aren't new, but still
[09:47] <beefsprocket> cya around
[09:48] <pc9104> ruedi   Kxkb ist eine Anwendung zum Umschalten der Tastaturbelegung und basiert auf der X11-Erweiterung xkb.
[09:48] <ruedi_> thx
[09:48] <dennister> beefsprocket: i am still new...a 3-mth-old linux newbie
[09:49] <sparrwork> beefsprocket: will do, thanks
[09:49] <beefsprocket> sparrwork: just a guess, not familiar with intel drivers
[09:49] <beefsprocket> oops
[09:49] <dennister> u going to be there on saturday?
[09:49] <beefsprocket> dennister: oh for sure, also there are bi-weekly meetings on wednesdays, so drop in
[09:49] <beefsprocket> dennister: http://www.linuxcaffe.ca/event
[09:50] <dennister> ok...i've been feeling kinda lonely in a windoze world...yes, i saw it, ty
[09:50] <beefsprocket> heh, lol
[09:50] <dennister> i'm now going to try and do the mythbackend setup again, now that i have a sock file
[09:51] <dennister> cya later ppl
[09:51] <dennister> and ty trappist, wherever u are :)
[09:53] <T3hWiz0rd> anyone know why i can't see the entire contents of my / folder in konq?
[09:53] <T3hWiz0rd> permissions?
[09:53] <T3hWiz0rd> I can see in terminal but not konq.
[09:54] <beefsprocket> T3hWiz0rd, there's a file called .hidden in /
[09:54] <beefsprocket> T3hWiz0rd, just rm it
[09:54] <T3hWiz0rd> hh thank you
[09:54] <T3hWiz0rd> i was about to start yelling and cursin :-) lol
[09:55] <pc9104> Easy question: SKYPE FOR DEBIAN?????
[09:55] <T3hWiz0rd> pc9104: yup its there
[09:55] <T3hWiz0rd> pc9104: skype.com
[09:57] <pc9104> yep. tar.bz2, but i can`t compile the file...
[09:57] <beefsprocket> pc9104: there should be a .deb
[09:57] <beefsprocket> pc9104: http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-deb
[09:58] <Hawkwind> T3hWiz0rd: Realize if you delete /.hidden when kde-system-settings is upgraded that file will reappear.  Best to follow this info:
[09:58] <Hawkwind> !hidden-root T3hWiz0rd
[09:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hidden-root T3hWiz0rd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:58] <Hawkwind> !hidden-root | T3hWiz0rd
[09:58] <ubotu> T3hWiz0rd: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[09:58] <stoft> I'm having naming trouble with two external drives. They mount ok and everything, but instead of grabbing the name specified in fstab (e.g. /media/vol) they grabbing the name specified followed by "-1" (e.g. /media/vol-1). Anyone have an idea where to start debugging?
[09:58] <beefsprocket> thanks Hawkwind
[09:58] <pc9104> beefsprocket Great thank you!
[09:59] <Hawkwind> rm'ing that file is not the recommended way at all.  Best to edit it or if you do delete it, create an empty .hidden file, that way it never gets overwritten
[09:59] <drarem> wtheck is skype anyway
[09:59] <T3hWiz0rd> Hawkwind: i really don't like linux hiding stuff from me >:-O!!!
[09:59] <T3hWiz0rd> lol
[09:59] <beefsprocket> Hawkwind: makes sense
[09:59] <T3hWiz0rd> Hawkwind: this isn't windows, it shows me EVERRYTHING lol
[09:59] <T3hWiz0rd> so i should remake it Hawkwind?
[09:59] <T3hWiz0rd> and just leave it empty?
[09:59] <sephyria> hry
[10:00] <sephyria> how do i unistall a package
[10:00] <magicmike> Hello people!
[10:00] <sephyria> that wont uninstall
[10:00] <pc9104> wtheck?
[10:00] <sephyria> cuz I was installing maya 7
[10:00] <Hawkwind> T3hWiz0rd: Did you delete it already ?
[10:00] <sephyria> and it accidently converted an rpm for SUSE to a .deb
[10:00] <drarem> < tryin to be politically correct
[10:00] <sephyria> and im running kubuntu, and when ever i install anything it fucks up and doesnt work
[10:00] <magicmike> On election day no less. :)
[10:00] <T3hWiz0rd> Hawkwind: yeah
[10:01] <T3hWiz0rd> Hawkwind: i listened to him lol
[10:01] <drarem> lol
[10:01] <sephyria> cuz i have this aksusbd-suse package installed that i can remove!
[10:01] <drarem> i did vote
[10:01] <T3hWiz0rd> Hawkwind: and i know it'll restore.
[10:01] <Hawkwind> T3hWiz0rd: If you did, sudo touch /.hidden    that will create an empty file and it'll never get repopulated again
[10:01] <sephyria> cant remove
[10:01] <drarem> more importantly, i did research before i voted
[10:01] <drarem> made sure i wasn't putting in a lemon when i wanted oj
[10:01] <magicmike> Me too. Research at least.
[10:01] <^itch> My sistem keeps freezing when I try to reboot or halt it. I`ve looker in /var/log/messager for errors, but I can`t seem to find one. Any sugestions ?
[10:01] <T3hWiz0rd> Hawkwind: how can i test tihs? restart kde? log back in and back out?
[10:02] <sephyria> HOW DO i forcibly remove the package "aksusbd-suse" from the COMMAND LINE IN UNBUNTU- it is fucked up?~!
[10:02] <Hawkwind> T3hWiz0rd: The next time kde-system-settings gets updated that file won't change.  You can't really test it until then
[10:02] <T3hWiz0rd> first of all how'd you get a suse package on there?
[10:02] <Hawkwind> !language | sephyria
[10:02] <ubotu> sephyria: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:02] <sephyria> it will not uninstall in ADEPT cuz its for SUSE
[10:02] <drarem> think i'm getting old, it's the first time i took voting seriously
[10:02] <T3hWiz0rd> Hawkwind: and it does that automatically?
[10:02] <stoft> sephyria: what have you tried already?
[10:03] <sephyria> adept
[10:03] <Hawkwind> sephyria: sudo apt-get remove <package>
[10:03] <sephyria> no
[10:03] <magicmike> Voting after kids finish homework.
[10:03] <sephyria> i need a force option!
[10:03] <stoft> -f
[10:03] <Hawkwind> T3hWiz0rd: Yes.  But as long as there is a file there it won't touch it
[10:03] <sephyria> okay
[10:03] <Hawkwind> sephyria: -f
[10:03] <Hawkwind> sephyria: man apt-get
[10:03] <Dr_willis> !apt-get
[10:03] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[10:03] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:03] <sephyria> google sucks
[10:03] <magicmike> Like to take them with me so they learn the importance.
[10:03] <sephyria> or its me, cuz i couldn't find that
[10:03] <Dr_willis> PEBKAC
[10:03] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:03] <T3hWiz0rd> lol wttff theres some random mount point in my homefolder now
[10:03] <sephyria> ive been having huge problems with google lately
[10:04] <sephyria> sending me back lame hits
[10:04] <sephyria> ;)
[10:04] <ruedi> hm... i have changed the keymaplayout, but the alt Gr key doesn't work (wtf)
[10:04] <LinguisticMystic> Hi
[10:04] <magicmike> Glad I got my video problem straightened out because I've been having majotr probs with my Windows drive.
[10:05] <eaglehawk> hello everybody
[10:05] <T3hWiz0rd> lmao Hawkwind im gonna stop touching suse
[10:05] <T3hWiz0rd> Hawkwind: i mean kubuntu
[10:05] <LinguisticMystic> For some reason, my Edgy Kubuntu box is freezing right before shutdown (in the last 1/8th of the Usplash bar) on shutdown.  What are the proper steps to troubleshoot?
[10:05] <eaglehawk> anybody who can help me mount SD card
[10:05] <magicmike> Hey eaglehawk
[10:05] <T3hWiz0rd> Hawkwind: im trying to make it so my /music partition shows up in /media
[10:05] <Hawkwind> T3hWiz0rd: Why ?
[10:05] <T3hWiz0rd> Hawkwind: but i can't seem to successfully link it
[10:05] <sephyria> OH JESUS
[10:05] <Hawkwind> T3hWiz0rd: Then you should have just edited the file
[10:05] <sephyria> even with the -f option it still doesnt work
[10:05] <T3hWiz0rd> Hawkwind: howso?
[10:05] <sephyria> how annoying
[10:06] <eaglehawk> anybody who can help me mount SD card
[10:06] <sephyria> i just reinstlaled EVERYTHING last night
[10:06] <T3hWiz0rd> Hawkwind: i want my filesystem to show, im talking about what im doing right now.
[10:06] <T3hWiz0rd> sephyria: calm down okay?
[10:06] <sephyria> heh
[10:06] <T3hWiz0rd> sephyria: patience will get a much more positive response for you, alright?
[10:06] <T3hWiz0rd> sephyria: if it seems the application in question isn't wanting to terminate simply switch to single-user mode and delete it there.
[10:06] <LinguisticMystic> Are there any logfiles that show what happens in a crash right before shutdown?
[10:06] <eaglehawk> anybody who can help me mount SD card
[10:07] <Hawkwind> LinguisticMystic: /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog
[10:07] <T3hWiz0rd> Hawkwind: i am just trying to make a symbolic link in /media/ to /music
[10:07] <sephyria> T3hWiz0rd: it was an rpm package converted in alien that I accidently installed, it came with my Maya 7 RPMs. but the instructions didnt tell us to install it, i did accidently
[10:07] <T3hWiz0rd> Hawkwind: but its kickin my butt man :-(
[10:07] <LinguisticMystic> Thanks Hawk, I'll look
[10:07] <drarem> oh man... should i upgrade to edgy
[10:07] <T3hWiz0rd> sephyria: like i said switch to init 1, single user mode, and remove it there.
[10:08] <drarem> or will it destroy my network settings and such, and i'll have to find that stupid windows wireless eth1 driver for this laptop
[10:08] <drarem> again
[10:08] <T3hWiz0rd> Hawkwind: how do you set a symbolic link to a folder? still -s?
[10:08] <stoft> I'm having mount naming problems: If I mount manually it mounts as the volume name in fstab. If I let KDE mount it adds "-1" as a suffix to the volume name, anyone have any ideas?
[10:08] <stoft> drarem, what driver?
[10:08] <Hawkwind> T3hWiz0rd: ln -s /old/path /new/path
[10:08] <drarem> forgot how to find that out
[10:08] <Hawkwind> !symlink
[10:08] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[10:09] <T3hWiz0rd> Hawkwind: i remember in all versions previous to kde 3.5 it used to autoamtically make links in /media
[10:10] <T3hWiz0rd> Hawkwind: and if i want it to be a hardlink? -f?
[10:10] <Hawkwind> T3hWiz0rd: I believe it's -f
[10:10] <T3hWiz0rd> Hawkwind: "hard link not allowed for directory"?
[10:10] <drarem> i have the latest nvidia driver for this intel graphics cards in this laptop - gateway 7380
[10:11] <drarem> will edgy overlay it
[10:11] <drarem> i meant latest intel driver
[10:11] <drarem> duh
[10:12] <sephyria> alright trying the init 1 thing
[10:12] <sephyria> i hope this works
[10:12] <sephyria> it may not
[10:12] <LinguisticMystic> Hmm, the only strange thing in my logs are the following:
[10:12] <LinguisticMystic> Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only configuration source
[10:12] <LinguisticMystic> Any idea what that means?  Could that be stopping me from shutting down?
[10:12] <LinguisticMystic> (and 3 others like it)
[10:12] <tuskernini> does anyone have problems with FIREFOX in edgy?
[10:12] <Hawkwind> tuskernini: Define *problems*
[10:13] <T3hWiz0rd> Hawkwind: hmmm it doesn't want to make a hard link only symbolic.
[10:13] <eaglehawk> anybody who can help me mount sd card
[10:13] <tuskernini> Hawkwind: if i start gmail, it logs in and then closes firefox
[10:13] <tuskernini> Hawkwind: same with youtube
[10:14] <Hawkwind> tuskernini: Run it from a terminal and see what error messages you get
[10:14] <tuskernini> k will do
[10:16] <LinguisticMystic> There's nothing obvious in the logs to indicate why I'm freezing before shutdown.  Anybody have ideas of how maybe to find an answer?
[10:16] <tuskernini> Hawkwind: 'Gecko' received an x window error, this probably reflexts a bug in the program
[10:17] <constantine-xvi> is there any way to "decouple" konqueror file-manager and web browser (have them open in seperate windows?)
[10:18] <ideasrex> i am trying to install vmware server on kubuntu edgy and i have problem when i try to install it says "A previous installation of VMware software has been detected. Failure Execution" please does anybody knows how to solve this, i tried to install vmware player but i uninstalled it now obviously it isn't uninstalled
[10:18] <constantine-xvi> iseasrex: try reinstalling player, then uninstalling with "apt-get remove --purge"
[10:20] <ideasrex> thanks i'll try
[10:24] <ideasrex> now it says that directory /etc/vmware isn't empty so not removed, is it safe to delete it myself?
[10:25] <Dr_willis> ideasrex,  should be.. or just rename it.
[10:26] <Dr_willis> vmware is fun to play with.
[10:26] <magicmike> What web browser is most recommended?
[10:26] <Dr_willis> firefox :)
[10:26] <dergringo> firefox
[10:26] <dergringo> :)
[10:26] <ideasrex> thanks a lot :) it worked
[10:27] <Dr_willis> with the extensions out for firefox.. I never want to use IE unless i have to. :)
[10:27] <magicmike> Thanks. I've used that for years in Windowsm just wondered if there was a better alternative inLinux.
[10:28] <BluesKaj> IE 7 attemts to do the same things as other tabbed browsers ...finally woke up to the fact that it's a convenient way to surf
[10:29] <Dr_willis> Tabuluriffic!
[10:29] <BluesKaj> :)
[10:30] <magicmike> I've been using Linux for about a week. I have a notifier that tells me there are 830 updated packages available. I'm running Dapper Drake. Are any of these updates necessary? Also will they change my distro from Dap to edgy if I do?
[10:30] <eaglehawk> anybody who can help me mount sd card
[10:31] <magicmike> I've also used Opera in Windows for a little over a year. Is it in the repositories or you you download it from opera's site?
[10:31] <Dr_willis> magicmike,  it shouldetn upgrade to edgy.. the updates are proberly a good thing to install. most are security fix's
[10:32] <Dr_willis> !opera
[10:32] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[10:32] <stoft> magicmike: take a peek in your /etc/apt/sources.list to see if it says "dapper" or "edgy"
[10:32] <magicmike> Dr_willis: Thanks
[10:33] <magicmike> stoft: Before or after update? If before I was in there yesterday and it's definitely Dapper.
[10:33] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. "Scibuntu"
[10:33] <Dr_willis> Scibuntu , Ubuntu Linux for scientists and science students. Scibuntu is not just another Linux distribution. It is a script that adds scientific programs and other convinient tools to the plain desktop Ubuntu.
[10:34] <stoft> if you only have "dapper" in there, and not "stable", "edgy" or similar then you should be ok, 830pkgs sounds like a lot so make sure.
[10:35] <thorsten_> softcam plugin mit kaffeine geht das??
[10:36] <mulder> hello guys. When I try to kill a process doing alt-ctrl-delete it says:insufficient permission to kill proces xxxx
[10:36] <mulder> any help welcome
[10:38] <Dr_willis> use the kill command , and 'sudo kill whateverpid-itis.
[10:38] <coreymon77> guys
[10:38] <Dr_willis> or if you can see the windiow of the process.. try 'xkill'
[10:38] <coreymon77> do i ask vmware questions her
[10:38] <coreymon77> e
[10:38] <coreymon77> or do i go to the vmware channel?
[10:38] <BluesKaj> !vmware
[10:38] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository. Instructions to install VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingVMWare
[10:38] <coreymon77> i went there
[10:39] <coreymon77> its a lmux problem
[10:39] <BluesKaj> #vmware
[10:39] <BluesKaj> yup, it exists
[10:39] <coreymon77> there is no such directory as /usr/src/linux/include
[10:39] <coreymon77> and i dont know what other path to use
[10:39] <Dr_willis> coreymon77,  you need to install some other packages to get vmserver working right.
[10:40] <coreymon77> no
[10:40] <Dr_willis> build-essential, the kernel source, and kernel includes I recall
[10:40] <coreymon77> i had it all installed before
[10:40] <coreymon77> then i upgraded to edgy
[10:40] <mulder> I have the message for any process I am trying to kill
[10:40] <coreymon77> now it wont work
[10:40] <mulder> I mean I get the message
[10:40] <Dr_willis> I followed the Ubuntu Hacks book..  lets see.. whats does -->       ls /usr/src/     show?
[10:41] <Dr_willis> i have -->  linux-headers-2.6.17-10      linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic
[10:41] <coreymon77> no such thing
[10:41] <Dr_willis> you could link 'linux' to whatever kernel you are using .
[10:41] <coreymon77> no such thing as src in the usr directory
[10:41] <Dr_willis> !info linux-headers
[10:41] <ubotu> Package linux-headers does not exist in any distro I know
[10:42] <Dr_willis> !info linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic
[10:42] <ubotu> linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic: Linux kernel headers for version 2.6.17 on x86/x86_64. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.17-10.33 (edgy), package size 891 kB, installed size 24076 kB
[10:42] <coreymon77> nvm
[10:42] <coreymon77> it does
[10:42] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:42] <mulder> somebody know why I get the insufficient permission message?
[10:42] <eaglehawk> anybody who can help me mount sd card
[10:43] <Dr_willis> mulder,  you need root permission to kill the thing perhaps..  what are you trying to kill?
[10:44] <justin1278> hello
[10:44] <mulder> well anything I am trying to kill gives me the message Willis
[10:44] <justin1278> does anyone know how to make Beryl run on system startup?
[10:44] <Dr_willis> mulder,  dare we ask why are you just trying to kill 'things' ?
[10:44] <kanak> Hi
[10:44] <kanak> Cane someone help me out
[10:45] <Dr_willis> mulder,  i normally use the 'xkill' command, or use 'ps ax' to get the pid of the process i wan to kill then use the 'sudo kill PID' command.
[10:45] <mulder> because let's say adept freezes or amarok freezes, and I can't play them
[10:45] <kanak> I am using this program called Cain & Able
[10:45] <justin1278> kanak, what is your problem?
[10:45] <kanak> This lets you to bridge thought ur router...
[10:45] <Dr_willis> mulder,  if theres a window thats frozen i normally use 'xkill'
[10:45] <kanak> Sniffer ur router
[10:45] <kanak> http://www.oxid.it/cain.html
[10:45] <kanak> i installed it on a xp
[10:45] <mulder> I am trying to kill karamba or adept, and I get the message
[10:46] <kanak> when i use it, it blocks all my internetr....
[10:46] <kanak> only computer that can go on th net is the exp
[10:46] <kanak> not any of the other computers on my network
[10:46] <jordan_> hello
[10:46] <kanak> is there away i can run Cain & Able on Linux?
[10:46] <justin1278> kanak, this is a problem on Windows XP correct?
[10:47] <kanak> yes
[10:47] <kanak> i need to have my linux up 24/7
[10:47] <justin1278> kanak, have you tried repairing your connection
[10:47] <kanak> since i am hosting a server
[10:47] <kanak> i used Zlone Alarm pro..
[10:47] <jordan_> hey can anyone give me advice?
[10:47] <kanak> to bridge connection over xbox live..
[10:47] <kanak> thus
[10:47] <kanak> blocking my server connection
[10:47] <justin1278> kanak, if you disable your zone alarm firewall what happens?
[10:48] <kanak> i need to be bale to use the brige on xbox live.. and my linux running
[10:48] <kanak> if i disable
[10:48] <kanak> everythign works
[10:48] <jordan_> open the ports for the bridge
[10:48] <kanak> is there away i can allow everything to work thats going in/out from ym server?
[10:48] <justin1278> kanak, that means that there is somethinng from the firewall that is blocking your xbox live
[10:48] <kanak> using zlone alarm?
[10:48] <jordan_> yeah
[10:48] <justin1278> kanak, i am not sure, I do not use Zone Alarm on Windows
[10:48] <kanak> the cain & Able
[10:49] <jordan_> im famililar with zone alarm
[10:49] <kanak> alows me to network bridge thought my router
[10:49] <jordan_> in the personal firewall section
[10:49] <justin1278> kanak, I recommend you to try a different and much better firewall
[10:49] <kanak> it works
[10:49] <jordan_> theres port forwarding
[10:49] <kanak> well
[10:49] <kanak> can i use cain & able on linux?
[10:49] <jordan_> go on to the xbox live website and find the ports
[10:49] <kanak> http://www.oxid.it/cain.html
[10:49] <kanak> heres the site
[10:49] <jordan_> and you should be alright
[10:49] <justin1278> kanak, Comodo Personal Firewall is a great and 100% free firewall that has surpassed Zone Alarm in all tests
[10:50] <justin1278> kanak, you can find Comodo Firewall at http://personalfirewall.comodo.com
[10:50] <jhutchins_wk> kanak: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/
[10:50] <jordan_> you could always run it with wine
[10:50] <jordan_> but that would be dumb
[10:50] <jordan_> or just have no firewall at all
[10:50] <lovethepirk> i have a amd64 but have always run kubuntu 386, is the 6.10 amd64 stable?
[10:50] <hollywoodb> kanak: for linux tools we have fun and flexible solutions such as netfilter, shorewall, and http://www.tldp.org, as well has http://rute.2038bug.com
[10:50] <kanak> the thing is i neeed zlone alarm to bridge over xbox live..
[10:50] <jhutchins_wk> kanak: A more extensive guide to building and securing a small network with servers is at http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html
[10:51] <kanak> k
[10:51] <kanak> thx
[10:51] <Dr_willis> Hmm... windows Internet Conection shareing wont do it?
[10:51] <justin1278> kanak, why must you use ZA I'm sure another firewall could do the same if not do it better
[10:52] <jhutchins_wk> The nice thing about doing it on Linux is that if you follow those guides you'll know a good deal about exactly what's going on.
[10:53] <justin1278> hey is there a way to make Beryl run on Linux boot?
[10:53] <Dr_willis> 'knowledge is power!'
[10:53] <jontec> what group do I need to add a user to to be able to access usb storage devices?
[10:53] <jordan_> users?
[10:54] <jontec> yes, I have other users on my computer
[10:55] <jordan_> yeah
[10:55] <jordan_> but mean
[10:55] <jordan_> the users group
[10:55] <jordan_> hold on ill check my accounts
[10:56] <jordan_> adm, admin, audio, cdrom, dialout, dip, floppy, lpadmin, plugdev, root, scanner, video
[10:56] <jordan_> is all my groups
[10:56] <TFrog> has anyone here got any experience with madwifi and atheros chipset based wireless cards?
[10:57] <jhutchins_wk> jordan_: One of the problems with udev is that it tends to give ownership of devices to the first user logged in.  You have to reconfigure a bit to manage by groups.
[10:57] <hollywoodb> TFrog: some, just ask your question
[10:58] <RawSewage> whats the shell script command to upload a file to a remote server that requires username/password
[10:58] <TFrog> i'm just curious to wether or not anyone has attempted it in Edgy.  i'm about to do a clean install on a desktop with a DLink Atheros wireless installed.  difficult? or rather painless?
[10:58] <coreymon77> okay
[10:58] <coreymon77> i know the problem
[10:59] <coreymon77> i was told by the script that it needs the linux-headers-2.6.17-10-386 directory
[10:59] <coreymon77> cause thats my kernel version
[10:59] <TFrog> any "how to's" would be a nice start for this project
[10:59] <coreymon77> that direcotry doesnt exist though
[11:00] <hollywoodb> TFrog: check the wiki... I haven't done it under a ubuntu/debian system, but it was relatively painless when I had to do it on Fedora Core
[11:00] <hollywoodb> TFrog: there's most likely howtos in the forums as well
[11:00] <justin1278> TFrog: one moment I will try and pull up the information for you
[11:00] <TFrog> i've done it under FC5 before.  however FC is a pig to update at times.  i'll look
[11:00] <coreymon77> why dont i have that direcory
[11:00] <TFrog> ty justin1278
[11:01] <coreymon77> thats my kernel version
[11:01] <justin1278> TFrog: np
[11:02] <TFrog> hollywoodb, i much prefer Kubuntu to FC.  much faster loading up and easier to maintain.  just is plain better all around
[11:02] <coreymon77> Dr_willis: why dont i have that directory if thats my kernel version
[11:02] <hollywoodb> TFrog: Kubuntu's KDE implementation is *much* better... I left FC behind after FC5 being buggier than FC4, FC6 proved to be even more buggy than FC5
[11:03] <TFrog> why does that not surprise me hollywoodb?  i did some visiting over on FC's forums and oh lord have mercy.  lol
[11:03] <justin1278> TFrog: thanks for waiting
[11:03] <TFrog> not a problem justin1278
[11:04] <justin1278> TFrog: you can find the list of compatible wireless cards at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[11:04] <WooD> When I plug a USB hard  Drive on kUbuntu 6.10 it does not mount automatically
[11:04] <WooD> is there any trick to make it automatically ?
[11:04] <hollywoodb> WooD: everytime or at random ?
[11:04] <justin1278> TFrog: those cards are for Ubuntu, but since Kubuntu, and Ubuntu are basically the same except for the GUI everything listed there should work fine on both
[11:05] <tuskernini> does anyone have a problem with gmail and firefox in kubuntu? firefox just closes
[11:05] <hollywoodb> madwifi.org has a list of compatible cards as well
[11:05] <WooD> hollywoodb: random on some usb flash drive and everytime on a certain USB Hard DRive
[11:05] <coreymon77> nvm
[11:05] <coreymon77> i just installed it through adept
[11:06] <hollywoodb> WooD: I have a PNY drive that has been random on every linux distribution I've used... some drives (like the lexmark "secure" drives) won't work at all without some tinkering.... check 'dmesg' after plugging it in to see what it says
[11:06] <WooD> hollywoodb:  ok ill check now
[11:06] <justin1278> TFrog: were you able to find the right information?
[11:07] <WooD> hollywoodb:  it does detect in dmesg the drive i have plugged it  in
[11:08] <hollywoodb> WooD: compare what it says when it does automount, and when it doesn't... that's the difference.  I'm not sure what causes it
[11:08] <TFrog> still investigating.  looks as though i might have to do ndiswrapper on it as well to get the full capabilities of the card.  appears to be restricted to 11meg/s
[11:08] <hollywoodb> WooD: sometimes it recognizes "something" happened at the USB port, but for some reason it doesn't detect it as USB mass storage
[11:09] <WooD> hollywoodb: I think there is a problem with the hard drive it says sda: unknown partition table
[11:09] <hollywoodb> WooD: its pretty common... as far as the drive that doesn't work at all, I'd try http://www.google.com/linux and see if perhaps there's an issue with that particular drive
[11:10] <hollywoodb> WooD: with my drive, sometimes it'll detect usb mass storage, put it as /dev/sda1 or similar, othertimes it'll say something along the lines of "unrecognized format", then I just pull it out and plug it in again
[11:10] <WooD> hollywoodb:  ok thanks .. what I will test is to plug it in  in a windows system
[11:11] <Acidic32> !fix-adept-crash
[11:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fix-adept-crash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:11] <Acidic32> !adept-crash-fix
[11:11] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and you're left with a locked database, try typing this in a terminal (such as Konsole):  "sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock ; sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[11:11] <jordan_> hello there!
[11:11] <jordan_> can anyone help me?
[11:12] <justin1278> TFrog: Was the information I gave you helpful? or do you need something else?
[11:12] <Acidic32> Qt: 3.3.6
[11:12] <Acidic32> KDE: 3.5.5
[11:12] <Acidic32> kde-config: 1.0
[11:12] <Acidic32> soz
[11:12] <Acidic32> :(
[11:13] <jordan_> hello?
[11:13] <Dr_willis> jordan_,  depends on the problem.
[11:13] <jordan_> just linux in general
[11:13] <jordan_> im new to it
[11:14] <jordan_> and just recently installed Kubuntu
[11:14] <justin1278> hello Jordan
[11:14] <jordan_> im an experienced computer user
[11:14] <jordan_> and well what do i need to know to get me started with linux?
[11:14] <Dr_willis> experienced 'windows' user... :)
[11:14] <justin1278> Lol
[11:14] <hollywoodb> jordan_: http://rute.2038bug.com :D
[11:14] <justin1278> Hey, I'm an expeirienced windows user
[11:15] <jordan_> actually Mac as well
[11:15] <Dr_willis> Kubuntu/ubuntu web sites have some quick start guides/docs.. also tldp.org has some very good guides.
[11:15] <justin1278> I have done formats so many times it got to be a regular thing for me lol
[11:15] <hollywoodb> jordan_: and (k)ubuntu has really good documentation
[11:15] <Dr_willis> Linux is a very 'big' topic. :)
[11:15] <Dr_willis> so what do you watn to learn first...
[11:15] <donutface-> hi im trying to install kubuntu on my laptop (hp pavillion zv6000), i tried both Dapper and Edgy, dapper appears to get a bit further than edgy, when I run it with noacpi nolacpi noapci nolapci and take away the splash thing, all i get is Buffer I/O error on device hdc
[11:15] <donutface-> media error (bad sector) however this is a brand new drive
[11:16] <donutface-> and windows runs on it fine
[11:16] <hollywoodb> donutface-: hdc is your CD drive?
[11:16] <jordan_> also
[11:16] <Dr_willis> donutface-,  hmm..'windows runs fine'   famous last words..
[11:16] <jordan_> why does it hang when i shut down?
[11:16] <kanak> ////////////////o
[11:16] <jordan_> blank screen with a flashing cursor
[11:16] <donutface-> lol, Dr_willis i bought a Seagate 120gb UATA harddrive last week
[11:16] <Dr_willis> jordan_,  apci/apic issues with the mb/bios  most likely.
[11:17] <jordan_> yeah
[11:17] <justin1278> 'windows runs fine' after you format it... lol
[11:17] <jordan_> i have to run with acpi off
[11:17] <Dr_willis> jordan_,  check the mb/makers for a bios update perhaps.
[11:17] <hollywoodb> donutface-: hdc is your CD drive?
[11:17] <jordan_> uhm
[11:17] <jordan_> how? xD
[11:17] <Dr_willis> I had a odd laptop once that needed a bios update.. now its great with linux.
[11:17] <donutface-> yeah, my only drive
[11:17] <donutface-> i had ubuntu running a few months back but the forum with the instructions shut down
[11:17] <justin1278> thats good Dr_willis
[11:18] <donutface-> and that was under a 40gb drive
 im an experienced computer user  <----------------------------- Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... :) never updated a bios eh?
[11:18] <justin1278> everything seems to have a lot less problems with linux on instead of Windows
[11:18] <jordan_> nope
[11:18] <jordan_> never had to
[11:18] <Dr_willis> time to check the MB makers homepage, or the pc makers homepage I guess.
[11:18] <kamui> help, adept wont stop telling me about 28 upgrades I have available, when I try to execute them it says no change required, but the icon remains regardless
[11:18] <Dr_willis> I alwasy build my own.   so i check the MB makers pages.
[11:18] <jordan_> hell if i know what kind of mb i have
[11:19] <Dr_willis> jordan_,  also may want to google a bit. or just  run with the noapci options or whatever works. the next kernel may have some fix's
[11:19] <jordan_> it was a pre built compaq presarrio pc
[11:19] <justin1278> kamui: did you try clicking Fetch Updates?
[11:19] <Dr_willis> or just never shut down. :)
[11:19] <TFrog> looks as if i got an interesting weekend ahead
[11:19] <WooD> hollywoodb: ok the Usb hard drive have a problem that's why It was not show up
[11:19] <jordan_> what actually is this acpi stuff anyways?
[11:19] <kamui> justin1278: yea, thats how It shows the list, mostly python related crap.
[11:20] <kamui> also this started happening AFTER I distupgraded to Edgy
[11:20] <justin1278> kamui: has it ever worked fine with Edgy?
[11:21] <kamui> justin1278: I dont' know, I've only had edgy for 2 days, but its been doing that since I upgraded.  also X seems to be pretty unstable
[11:21] <justin1278> kamui: some people have had problems with the edgy upgrade, they resolved their issues with a clean install
[11:21] <TFrog> jordan_, for an updated BIOS check the Compaq support site.  it will give you a download that has a windows utility program to update your system BIOS from within windows
[11:23] <arriesp> xao gente
[11:24] <justin1278> i will brb
[11:27] <ithauta> joops
[11:28] <jordan_> i cant find what kind of motherboard i have
[11:28] <justin1278> hello
[11:29] <hollywoodb> jordan_: shouldn't matter, PC manufacturer should offer updates per model
[11:30] <Dr_willis> the invention of smarter bios-updating tools.. is nice. :)
[11:30] <justin1278> jordan: who is your PC's manufactuar and what is its model?
[11:30] <Dr_willis> but you just dont hear about bios updates as much these days.
[11:30] <donutface-> did you ever hear about them much?
[11:30] <drarem> does bz2 compression take a long time
[11:30] <drarem> i'm just trying to compress a 118kb binary
[11:30] <Dr_willis> donutface-,  yes :) when pc;s had a life of more then 2 years.. befor being obsolete.. heh..
[11:30] <AtticStorm> All, has anyone installed xvesa as the xserver or installed Puppy Linux and got it to play nice in grub?
[11:31] <hollywoodb> I used to do a *lot* of BIOS updates when the nforce2 chipset was brand spanking new and every update made it noticeably more stable
[11:31] <luky> hello
[11:31] <Dr_willis> now a days theres even updates for the DVD/burnder drives and
[11:31] <Dr_willis> i also have had bios updates for my PVR, and Routers...
[11:31] <donutface-> routers are understandable
[11:32] <Dr_willis> 'firmware' updates. heh   i guess its about the same.
[11:32] <jordan_> Compaq Presario SR1130UK
[11:32] <luky> i need help for adept
[11:32] <sgh> Hi all !!!
[11:32] <donutface-> im reburning kubuntu
[11:32] <justin1278> jordan: ok one moment I will try and pull up some information on it including its motherboard
[11:32] <donutface-> im assuming its a bad CDRW i used
[11:32] <jordan_> whats happening when you install?
[11:32] <hollywoodb> donutface-: you can MD5 the burned CD just like you can MD5 the .iso to make sure its "intact"
[11:32] <donutface-> i dont know if hdc was my harddrive or cdrom
[11:32] <jordan_> getting Fatal Error's
[11:33] <donutface-> kubuntu offers the option on the boot menu
[11:33] <jordan_> hdc is your Cdrom
[11:33] <donutface-> i tried that and it failed
[11:33] <hollywoodb> donutface-: unless you have 3 hard drives its most likely your CD
[11:33] <donutface-> ah
[11:33] <donutface-> yeah my cd then
[11:33] <donutface-> :)
[11:33] <drarem> ack i just want to zip or tar something together, what's the command for it
[11:34] <sgh> Kdevelop seems only to be in english, no matter what langugage-settings I set i KDE - any ideas to what might be the problem ?
[11:36] <jordan_> any luck finding my mobo?
[11:36] <yanis> hi
[11:36] <donutface-> w00t
[11:36] <donutface-> bad disc!
[11:36] <yanis> I want to remove the kubuntu-artwork,what package should I remove?
[11:37] <Acidic32> !sound
[11:37] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[11:37] <drarem> anyone want to try my compiled binary demo - it's opengl, a rotating 2d bar of 'grass' texture and it runs slow on my laptop
[11:38] <jordan_> oh speaking of compile
[11:38] <jordan_> i keep getting an error when i run ./configure
[11:38] <drarem> what error is that
[11:38] <jordan_> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[11:38] <jordan_> See `config.log' for more details.
[11:39] <drarem> don't think you have all the stuff you need installed
[11:39] <jordan_> what do i need?
[11:40] <drarem> a few apt-get install lib(s)...
[11:40] <drarem> i believe
[11:40] <drarem> i found mine by searching thru forums, it was a pain
[11:40] <AtticStorm> Anyone installed Pupply with Kubuntu?
[11:40] <AtticStorm> Sorry Puppy.
[11:40] <troy> can someone tell me how to fix this: When I run apt-get, I get the following error and it exits "Segmentation faulty tree... 50%"
[11:41] <drarem> i'll see if i can find it
[11:41] <Dr_willis> AtticStorm,   puppy? you mean Puppylinux?
[11:41] <troy> (it happened after adept_updater crashed while looking for updates)
[11:41] <justin1278> jordan: sorry about the wait
[11:41] <justin1278> jordan: i should have the information up in a moment
[11:41] <phubeone> just installed ubuntu and had a question regarding video cards
[11:41] <jordan_> thats cool
[11:41] <drarem> what do you have installed so far
[11:41] <drarem> jordan
[11:42] <phubeone> anyone here have a Nvidia 7800GS AGP?
[11:42] <yanis> I want to remove the kubuntu-artwork,what package should I remove?
[11:42] <jordan_> drarem: what ya mean?
[11:42] <Steven_M> hi all, are there any kopete users under Dapper in the room?
[11:43] <justin1278> jordan: how old is your Compaq Presario?
[11:43] <jordan_> almost 2 years
[11:43] <drarem> which dev ide did you install
[11:43] <justin1278> jordan: may I have the model number once again just to confirm?
[11:43] <drarem> anjuta or kdevelop
[11:43] <jordan_> SR1130UK
[11:44] <justin1278> jordan_:thanks
[11:44] <jordan_> 2.8Ghz P4, 512MB RAM, 128MB Nvidia GeForce FX5200
[11:45] <justin1278> jordan: may i have the product number of your Compaq?
[11:45] <jordan_> product number?
[11:45] <jordan_> where would i find that?
[11:45] <justin1278> jordan: that should be around the back of it
[11:45] <jordan_> ill have a look
[11:45] <jordan_> 2 secs
[11:45] <justin1278> jordan: ok
[11:46] <jordan_> system number or serial number?
[11:46] <justin1278> jordan: for now just give me both please
[11:46] <jordan_> or HW BOM or SW BOM
[11:46] <mia> hey all
[11:47] <eaglehawk> anybody who can help me mount sd card
[11:47] <mia> whats the package in adept for the shockwave flash plugin for konqueror
[11:47] <jordan_> PJ383AA
[11:47] <h3sp4wn> mia: shockware does not exist on linux
[11:47] <justin1278> jordan: what number is that?
[11:47] <h3sp4wn> mia: *shockwave*
[11:47] <mia> h3sp4wn: i know i was refering to the plugin
[11:47] <justin1278> jordan: is that the product number?
[11:47] <mia> err format
[11:47] <mia> swf
[11:47] <jordan_> yes
[11:48] <jordan_> well system number
[11:48] <jordan_> and serial is CZB4370LGG
[11:48] <h3sp4wn> mia: flashplugin-nonfree - gives you flash as I said there is no shockwave
[11:48] <justin1278> jordan: thanks if that is the correct number i should be able to pull up your exact computer
[11:48] <eaglehawk> anybody who can help me mount sd card
[11:48] <h3sp4wn> mia: you may want the flash 9 beta (but it is not in the repositories)
[11:48] <boricua> eaglehawk:try mount /dev/sda1   /mnt and see
[11:48] <troy> eaglehawk: in KDE, open up media:/ in konqueror and see if it shows up
[11:49] <mia> h3sp4wn: all im asking for is the package name, i understand the concept of what you are saying
[11:49] <beavis> whats the name of the next dev ubuntu?
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> mia: i have given you it
[11:49] <mia> h3sp4wn: so far as i can tell there is no flashplugin- either
[11:50] <tuskernini> h3sp4wn: the flashplugin-nonfree does not really work for me... and firefox also quits when i go to youtube
[11:50] <h3sp4wn> tuskernini: So use the beta
[11:50] <h3sp4wn> tuskernini:
[11:50] <justin1278> jordan: you can find the information on your system at the following link: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00100539&lc=en&cc=us&lang=en&product=429101&dlc=en
[11:50] <tuskernini> h3sp4wn: the beta of firefox?
[11:50] <h3sp4wn> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[11:50] <h3sp4wn> the beta of flash
[11:51] <tuskernini> k will try thank you..
[11:51] <h3sp4wn> put it in ~/.mozilla/plugins
[11:51] <tuskernini> h3sp4wn: just put the installer in the pluggins dir?
[11:51] <h3sp4wn> get libflashplayer.so (make sure you get the plugin not the external player - I did that and wasted 5 mins trying to find out why)
[11:51] <justin1278> jordan: if that information is not correct you may wish to try the following link http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00211787&lc=en&cc=us&lang=en&product=429101&dlc=en
[11:52] <tuskernini> h3sp4wn: will try what you said... ta
[11:53] <h3sp4wn> tuskernini: seems to work ok for me when I am using it but makes firefox leak more memory (only notice it when I am compiling alot of stuff)
[11:53] <jordan_> hmm
[11:53] <jordan_> could be either of those
[11:54] <justin1278> jordan: also here is the complete page about your Compaq product
[11:54] <justin1278> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/product?product=429101&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&submit.y=4&submit.x=11&lang=en&cc=us
[11:55] <justin1278> jordan: you may wish to contact support to confirm which one it is out of those 2
[11:55] <tuskernini> h3sp4wn: i will first just install libflashplugin mozplugin..
[11:56] <h3sp4wn> tuskernini: Why ? that will be version 7
[11:56] <h3sp4wn> tuskernini: if you want to use 9 uninstall 7 first
[11:56] <AtticStorm> Has anyone used or been using the JWM?
[11:56] <tuskernini> h3sp4wn: i actually dont care what i use... as long as it works...
[11:56] <eaglehawk> anybody who can help me mount sd card
[11:57] <Acc\Deny> Hi, My question concerns the Alternate Install CD. While Installing in text mode, the screen went blank...last message seen was "Configuring xorg...". How do I stop it from configuring xorg? my board is 845 and i believe i have to first install the 915resolution package...   plus can I select which packages to skip at first install?
[11:57] <lupine_85> eaglehawk: is your main hard drive SATA?
[11:57] <h3sp4wn> tuskernini: depends what you use it for (flash 7 was fine for me) if you are bothered about junk games or videos you probably want 9
[11:57] <h3sp4wn> tuskernini: all flash seems to be used for me is displaying annoying adverts
[11:57] <tuskernini> h3sp4wn: damn! just installed libflash... loged into gmail ... after 5 seconds... firefox closed...
[11:58] <tuskernini> it worked so well in gnome...
[11:58] <h3sp4wn> tuskernini: non free software avoid it
[11:58] <lupine_85> "sudo mount /dev/sda /path/to/mountpoint -o uid=1000 gid=1000" should do it if your hard drive is IDE. It might be sda1 instead. If you have SATA hard drives, increment the 'a' to a 'b' - or 'c' if there's 2 SATA hard drives
[11:59] <jordan_> jordan@Jordan:~$ su root
[11:59] <jordan_> Password:
[11:59] <jordan_> su: Authentication failure
[11:59] <jordan_> Sorry.
[11:59] <jordan_> uhm why?
[11:59] <tuskernini> h3sp4wn:  you mean flash-nonfree plugin
[11:59] <lupine_85> jordan_: are you giving it the right root password?
[11:59] <jordan_>  yup
[11:59] <tuskernini> jordan_: did you create a root user?
[12:00] <AtticStorm> How does one change window managers?  I installed jwm and would like to give it a try.  Thanks.
[12:00] <dergringo> jordan_: capslock ;)
[12:00] <jordan_> doesnt it make one by default?
[12:00] <tuskernini> no
[12:00] <jordan_> password is all numbers :P
[12:00] <drarem> ..
[12:00] <dergringo> :D
[12:00] <lupine_85> AtticStorm: jwm --replace should do the trick
[12:00] <h3sp4wn> tuskernini: flash is non free - most problems on linux are caused by non free software
[12:00] <jordan_> but
[12:00] <jordan_> even if i just do su
[12:00] <jordan_> it wont login...
[12:00] <lupine_85> jordan_: "sudo passwd" will do the trick, but the "ubuntu way" is to use sudo
[12:00] <tuskernini> jordan_: and if you do sudo
[12:01] <dergringo> jordan_: pastebin your sudoers.conf
[12:01] <lupine_85> (by default the root user is noninteractive)
[12:01] <AtticStorm> lupine_85: Then to get back to xorg do I do the same?
[12:01] <tuskernini> h3sp4wn: so dont have flash... at all?
[12:01] <lupine_85> AtticStorm: to get back to *kwin* (it's all running on the same x server), kwin --replace
[12:01] <jordan_> hey now it works
[12:02] <jordan_> logining in as root
[12:02] <jordan_> i done sudo passwd
[12:02] <Acc\Deny> I forgot to mention i m on Dapper.
[12:02] <Acc\Deny> *trying to install Dapper
[12:02] <lupine_85> jordan_: now you can b0rken your system however you like :)
[12:02] <AtticStorm> lupine_85: Thanks, do you think this will break anything?  Should KDE still work?
[12:02] <jordan_> nah i wont break it
[12:03] <lupine_85> AtticStorm: everything should work fine
[12:03] <jordan_> just a thing i was trying to install
[12:03] <jordan_> wouldnt install without the correct permissions
[12:04] <lupine_85> mmm, normally running sudo make install (or whatever) does the trick
[12:04] <jordan_> well i didnt know that :P
[12:04] <jordan_> ive only played with SuSe live before
[12:04] <jordan_> and its
[12:04] <AtticStorm> lupine_85 and jordan:  Thanks, to take effect I now have to control-alt-backspace?  Correct?
[12:04] <jordan_> make
[12:05] <jordan_> make install
[12:05] <jordan_> yup
[12:05] <jordan_> that logs you out of your current session
[12:05] <eaglehawk> anybody who can help me with tabletpc pen
[12:05] <AtticStorm> Thanks all, will give it a try.  Trying to speed things up on the laptop a bit.
[12:06] <h3sp4wn> tuskernini: try gnash (I am not bothered for flash)
[12:06] <riccardo> i'm having a weird problem... i installed the beta nvidia drivers on edgy to use AIGLX, but glx doesn't work: i can use kde dropshadows and transparencies with kompmgr but every program using glx like glxgears or glxinfo segfaults.. any ideas?
[12:07] <jordan_> ah GLX xD
[12:08] <riccardo> the weird thing is that hw acceleration is ok because kompmgr works, but i can't even read glxinfo output
[12:08] <mia> h3sp4wn: the swf plugin is only for x86, is there a browser plugin for amd64?
[12:08] <dennister> lol...what a rigamarole...has anyone used a DNS-forwarder for static ip's
[12:09] <h3sp4wn> mia: gnash is your only choice (or build a 32 bit firefox against the 32 bit libs
[12:09] <jordan_> i dont think it matters about the architecture for flash
[12:09] <dennister> jordan_: it most definitely does
[12:09] <malix0> Can some one help me to get more information on this bug https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/70749 thanks
[12:09] <jordan_> it does?
[12:09] <h3sp4wn> definately
[12:09] <dennister> it's very difficult to get it working on a 54-bit architecture
[12:09] <dennister> 64bit*
[12:10] <h3sp4wn> Not really
[12:10] <jordan_> isnt a 64 bit back compatible with 32 bit aps?
[12:10] <saki> not completely
[12:10] <dennister> ...i guess i shouldn't try to argue with h3sp4wn :)
[12:10] <h3sp4wn> only if they are built against 32 bit libs (or you use the 64 bit swiftfox)
[12:10] <saki> 64-bit linux has to have a 32-bit lib to run them
[12:11] <saki> ass @ h3sp4wn
[12:11] <saki> :P
[12:11] <h3sp4wn> or you can use schroot (there is loads of ways to do it)
[12:11] <jordan_> mmm
[12:11] <saki> heya Jucato
[12:11] <dennister> hi jucato
[12:11] <jordan_> think ill wait til 128 bit to upgrade
[12:11] <h3sp4wn> dennister: ez-ipupdate is pretty easy to configure
[12:11] <Acc\Deny> RePasting... Hi, My question concerns the Alternate Install CD. While Installing in text mode, the screen went blank...last message seen was "Configuring xorg...". How do I stop it from configuring xorg? my board is 845 and i believe i have to first install the 915resolution package...   plus can I select which packages to skip at first install?