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[08:41] glatzor: no [08:41] Hi mdke_. Is there a summary about the inclusion plans of the official Ubuntu book? [08:42] glatzor: no, not yet. What did you have in mind? [08:43] There is also a book about Ubuntu in German and so I asked the author if he would be interested in an integration of his book in the documentation. Since the book is available online I thought about mentioning it in the get-help section of the desktop guide [08:44] ah. We want to integrate the content of the official Ubuntu book into the documentation, rather than just mentioning it. Are you suggesting we could use some of the German book too? [08:46] We have to investigate the licence issue. Currently the author doesn't allow a commercial reprint. [08:47] The book has 450 pages. [08:47] But I don't think it would be a good idea to fork the German documentation [08:48] fork in what way? [08:49] It is not my plan to replace the current help by the book. That is what I wanted to make clear. [08:50] isn't the German help a translation of the English help? [08:50] Yes. [08:50] Plus some enhancements. [08:51] Like links to German wiki pages or support offerings [08:51] Or the special legal situation about codecs [08:51] right. Well, we're keen to integrate new material, especially on subjects where there is no coverage already. So we'll take what we are able to, from a license point of view [08:55] mdke_: the author will join us here in some minutes, but he is quite busy at the moment === elyps [n=marcus@e177161142.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:56] hi [08:57] hi elyps [08:57] mdke_: elyps is the author [08:57] oder Marcus ;) [08:57] hello [08:58] oh hello [08:58] I'm sorry, I have only 15 minutes [08:59] glatzor has suggested that some material from your book might be incorporated into the documentation. Have you got any views on this? Is the book available in English? [09:00] no, its not available in english, not so far ;) [09:00] mdke_: elyps: in a first stage I would add a link to your book's homepage in the German get help section. [09:00] It would be nice to integrate it into the documentation, somehow [09:01] well, I don't see any problem with adding a link. [09:02] ok, for me it's fine === lloydinho_ [i=andreas@conference/ubuntuconf/x-01bb2d35685185bd] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:02] mdke_: what about replacing the excerpts of the ubuntu book url? [09:03] mdke_: do you know if there are any plans to translate the official book? [09:04] elyps: could you provide the book in a format like html that could be incoparted into the help wiki? [09:04] glatzor: is that url in getting-help? (we plan to integrate the book into the system help, if we succeed, a link won't be necessary) [09:05] glatzor: yes, thats possible. [09:06] Are there plans for a translation into German? [09:06] mdke_: booth books are currently not mentioned there. [09:07] Ah, but I cannot add a new paragraph ... :/ [09:07] sure you can. [09:07] Really? I tried once but failed. But perhaps I made a mistake [09:09] yes, should be fine [09:09] elyps: so as a result of this I will add a link to dappers getting help section [09:11] mdke_: Are there any plans for a translation of the official book? I think that this is the main thing to talk about, because if there will be a translation, then it will make no sense to integrate my part too (?). [09:11] elyps: mdke_: But for dapper I think we cannot do anymore. Do you still don't want to update the documentation of dapper, mdke? [09:11] glatzor: yes, that would be fine. [09:12] elyps: not yet. We intend to integrate the English version into the system documentation. That is translated [09:12] glatzor: I don't understand the question [09:13] elyps: if there is material which your book covers and the Official book doesn't, it might be interesting to look at it [09:13] mdke_: So the english version you are planning to integrate is already translated? [09:13] mdke_: some time ago you said, that there wo't be any updates or fixes to the dapper documentation [09:13] elyps: no [09:13] glatzor: we don't add strings, no. But we may update the translations [09:14] elyps: the system documentation gets translated [09:14] mdke_: ok. [09:14] mdke_: currently the desktop guide is about 100 pages, how far do you plan to extend it? [09:15] Could we ship the book using the translation system? [09:15] glatzor: we don't plan to make guides any more. We will make topic based help, and we will extend it as much as possible to cover subjects that aren't covered. [09:15] glatzor: I don't understand that question either. Which book? Ship how? === ompaul [n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:17] mdke_: I haven't followed the doc list recently. Since the German book seems cover more issues it could be interesting to ship it in Ubuntu [09:17] seems to [09:18] if we can integrate it in the material which we provide, then we are happy to add material on any topics. Often the style will need to be changed, because on-screen help requires a different style to a printed book. [09:20] But the basic thing is to translate my bok into english. Who is willing to do this? I dont have the time to do tihs alone and my english isn't good enough ;) [09:21] I don't know === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-120-72.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi [n=mario@83-131-27-67.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:38] mdke_: glatzor: I have to leave. Good night and many thanks for your time. Bye. === elyps [n=marcus@e177161142.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [i=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [i=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === La_PaRCa [n=La_PaRCa@bas12-montrealak-1167974782.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mario_ [n=mario@83-131-71-130.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@ip72-209-68-178.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [i=mpt@conference/ubuntuconf/x-de5ae751d9293a20] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [i=andreas@nat/google/x-6d61ff7d9b05b710] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [i=mpt@conference/ubuntuconf/x-18489120047a675b] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:14] mdke_: around? === dsas [n=dean@host-84-9-169-187.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === La_PaRCa [n=La_PaRCa@bas12-montrealak-1167980185.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:35] LaserJock: yes, vaguely === mpt [i=mpt@conference/ubuntuconf/x-1173082d7ecee22d] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:39] mdke_: I'm assuming the Packaging Guide will stay GPL [11:39] yeah, there were good reasons for that, weren't there? [11:40] well, all the Debian docs are GPl [11:40] although I'm not sure how that works [11:40] I only grab little bits === jbu_ [n=jbusam@60.242.113.21] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:45] LaserJock: ok