[10:19] <bhuvan> anyone from our doc group attending the summit?
[02:34] <mpt> bhuvan, I'm here, not sure if I count though
[02:34] <bhuvan> mpt, nice
[08:40] <glatzor> Seveas: Hi, is mdke also at UDS?
[08:41] <mdke_> glatzor: no
[08:41] <glatzor> Hi mdke_. Is there a summary about the inclusion plans of the official Ubuntu book?
[08:42] <mdke_> glatzor: no, not yet. What did you have in mind?
[08:43] <glatzor> There is also a book about Ubuntu in German and so I asked the author if he would be interested in an integration of his book in the documentation. Since the book is available online I thought about mentioning it in the get-help section of the desktop guide
[08:44] <mdke_> ah. We want to integrate the content of the official Ubuntu book into the documentation, rather than just mentioning it. Are you suggesting we could use some of the German book too?
[08:46] <glatzor> We have to investigate the licence issue. Currently the author doesn't allow a commercial reprint.
[08:47] <glatzor> The book has 450 pages.
[08:47] <glatzor> But I don't think it would be a good idea to fork the German documentation
[08:48] <mdke_> fork in what way?
[08:49] <glatzor> It is not my plan to replace the current help by the book. That is what I wanted to make clear.
[08:50] <mdke_> isn't the German help a translation of the English help? 
[08:50] <glatzor> Yes.
[08:50] <glatzor> Plus some enhancements.
[08:51] <glatzor> Like links to German wiki pages or support offerings
[08:51] <glatzor> Or the special legal situation about codecs
[08:51] <mdke_> right. Well, we're keen to integrate new material, especially on subjects where there is no coverage already. So we'll take what we are able to, from a license point of view
[08:55] <glatzor> mdke_: the author will join us here in some minutes, but  he is quite busy at the moment
[08:56] <elyps> hi
[08:57] <glatzor> hi elyps
[08:57] <glatzor> mdke_: elyps is the author
[08:57] <elyps> oder Marcus ;)
[08:57] <mdke_> hello
[08:58] <elyps> oh hello
[08:58] <elyps> I'm sorry, I have only 15 minutes
[08:59] <mdke_> glatzor has suggested that some material from your book might be incorporated into the documentation. Have you got any views on this? Is the book available in English?
[09:00] <elyps> no, its not available in english, not so far ;)
[09:00] <glatzor> mdke_: elyps: in a first stage I would add a link to your book's homepage in the German get help section.
[09:00] <elyps> It would be nice to integrate it into the documentation, somehow
[09:01] <mdke_> well, I don't see any problem with adding a link.
[09:02] <elyps> ok, for me it's fine
[09:02] <glatzor> mdke_: what about replacing the excerpts of the ubuntu book url?
[09:03] <glatzor> mdke_: do you know if there are any plans to translate the official book?
[09:04] <glatzor> elyps: could you provide the book in a format like html that could be incoparted into the help wiki?
[09:04] <mdke_> glatzor: is that url in getting-help? (we plan to integrate the book into the system help, if we succeed, a link won't be necessary)
[09:05] <elyps> glatzor: yes, thats possible.
[09:06] <elyps> Are there plans for a translation into German?
[09:06] <glatzor> mdke_: booth books are currently not mentioned there.
[09:07] <glatzor> Ah, but I cannot add a new paragraph ... :/
[09:07] <mdke_> sure you can.
[09:07] <glatzor> Really? I tried once but failed. But perhaps I made a mistake
[09:09] <mdke_> yes, should be fine
[09:09] <glatzor> elyps: so as a result of this I will add a link to dappers getting help section
[09:11] <elyps> mdke_:  Are there any plans for a translation of the official book? I think that this is the main thing to talk about, because if there will be a translation, then it will make no sense to integrate my part too (?).
[09:11] <glatzor> elyps: mdke_: But for dapper I think we cannot do anymore. Do you still don't want to update the documentation of dapper, mdke?
[09:11] <elyps> glatzor: yes, that would be fine.
[09:12] <mdke_> elyps: not yet. We intend to integrate the English version into the system documentation. That is translated
[09:12] <mdke_> glatzor: I don't understand the question
[09:13] <mdke_> elyps: if there is material which your book covers and the Official book doesn't, it might be interesting to look at it
[09:13] <elyps> mdke_: So the english version you are planning to integrate is already translated?
[09:13] <glatzor> mdke_: some time ago you said, that there wo't be any updates or fixes to the dapper documentation
[09:13] <mdke_> elyps: no
[09:13] <mdke_> glatzor: we don't add strings, no. But we may update the translations
[09:14] <mdke_> elyps: the system documentation gets translated
[09:14] <elyps> mdke_:  ok.
[09:14] <glatzor> mdke_: currently the desktop guide is about 100 pages, how far do you plan to extend it?
[09:15] <glatzor> Could we ship the book using the translation system?
[09:15] <mdke_> glatzor: we don't plan to make guides any more. We will make topic based help, and we will extend it as much as possible to cover subjects that aren't covered.
[09:15] <mdke_> glatzor: I don't understand that question either. Which book? Ship how?
[09:17] <glatzor> mdke_: I haven't followed the doc list recently. Since the German book seems cover more issues it could be interesting to ship it in Ubuntu
[09:17] <glatzor> seems to
[09:18] <mdke_> if we can integrate it in the material which we provide, then we are happy to add material on any topics. Often the style will need to be changed, because on-screen help requires a different style to a printed book.
[09:20] <elyps> But the basic thing is to translate my bok into english. Who is willing to do this? I dont have the time to do tihs alone and my english isn't good enough ;)
[09:21] <mdke_> I don't know
[09:38] <elyps> mdke_: glatzor: I have to leave. Good night and many thanks for your time. Bye.
[11:14] <LaserJock> mdke_: around?
[11:35] <mdke_> LaserJock: yes, vaguely
[11:39] <LaserJock> mdke_: I'm assuming the Packaging Guide will stay GPL
[11:39] <mdke_> yeah, there were good reasons for that, weren't there?
[11:40] <LaserJock> well, all the Debian docs are GPl
[11:40] <LaserJock> although I'm not sure how that works
[11:40] <LaserJock> I only grab little bits
[11:45] <mdke_> LaserJock: ok