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He wants to be able to record and produce music on the computer. I know what programs to use, I just need advice on what kind of sound card to get for the project. He is on a budget so a decent priced one would be prefferable === fowlduck [n=duck@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:19] get an M-Audio Delta 1010LT [01:19] why are you asking in here, btw? [01:19] this is better suited in #alsa or #ubuntustudio [01:27] I just did a quick search on the internet, should of read into it more [01:27] thanks anyway === luka74 [i=lure@conference/ubuntuconf/x-1bf1f89703122cc7] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stinkydave [n=david@cpe-24-58-228-130.twcny.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:56] err, tabs gone from apps? I hope they're joking... === Seveaz [i=seveas@conference/ubuntuconf/x-e464e4444ae44c38] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:57] it is Keybuk and seb128, of course they are [01:58] I figured, but a lot of context is lost in text [01:58] yes, yes it is === awbassett [n=awbasset@206.135.97.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GIFRATE [n=chatzill@bas6-quebec14-1167958588.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubuntu_demon [i=depjayds@conference/ubuntuconf/x-62ae87b8fcc0bc49] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-73-161.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lloydinho [i=andreas@conference/ubuntuconf/x-bc085a564ead3da9] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-206-191-39-35.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jarrad [n=jarrad@203-173-52-216.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=chatzill@adsl-69-153-134-255.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [i=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FliesLikeALap [n=Ryan@goldenrod-83.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:16] Can a MOTU take a look at bug 42269 and the fixed source packages I've linked to on the report? [03:16] Malone bug 42269 in azureus "Does not create a tray icon" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/42269 [03:16] Evenign jdong. [03:16] :D === Fujitsu looks. [03:16] oh look, right on cue :D === Fujitsu screams. [03:17] Evil Java, and no debdiff. [03:17] (ie. attach a debdiff, please) [03:18] Fujitsu: how the heck do I attach a debdiff for a fix to an orig.tar.gz, and debdiff .png files? [03:18] M.. [03:18] Good point. [03:18] Fujitsu: all I did was refreshed *.png in orig.tar.gz with ones from Azureus's source package [03:18] A debdiff will still work, just... not for the images, I guess. === minghua_ [n=chatzill@ppp-69-153-142-90.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu does it himself after lunch. [03:19] Fujitsu: the bug was that the orig.tar.gz has corrupted *.png files.... [03:19] Fun. [03:19] So it's just the .pngs that have been changed? [03:19] right [03:19] so a debdiff would be blank [03:19] except for my bumped changelog entry :D === dholbach [i=daniel@conference/ubuntuconf/x-a0f8819a2c899f28] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:20] Hey dholbach. [03:20] hey dholbach@ [03:20] Fujitsu: thanks for the confidence === Hobbsee hugs dholbach [03:20] but somebody else could have just taken it to the wiki themselves already [03:20] so that's not blocked on me [03:20] Of course, but doko said you were doing it :P [03:20] yeah, I read it [03:21] You read it before you joined? [03:21] yes, on his screen [03:21] we're at UDS and busy with stuff [03:21] Ah, of course. [03:22] How's UDS going? [03:22] busy :) [03:22] but good, very good [03:22] Has beryl-by-default been scheduled yet? I must get a SIP account before then... === lophyte wishes he was there [03:23] I'm not sure [03:23] people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/uds-mtv should have it in a bit [03:24] Fujitsu: heh === minghua_ is now known as minghua [03:25] ok, they kick me out the room - i'll write it up and put it on the 'official' SRU page [03:25] see you tomorrow [03:25] or something *wave* === minghua_ [n=chatzill@ppp-70-247-42-161.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan_ [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua_ is now known as minghua [03:43] jdong: (back from lunch) That package isn't workable. The orig.tar.gz has to have a new version, like 2.5.0.0.ubuntu1 or something. [03:44] Fujitsu: sorry, I'm no packaging expert by any measure.... [03:44] can you fix it pretty please? [03:44] Of course. [03:44] thank you :) [03:44] Fujitsu: sorry? === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:44] Fujitsu: you dont change the .orig.tar.gz version, i'm hoping. and certainly not to 2.5.0.0.ubuntu1 [03:45] Hobbsee: What? [03:45] Hey LaserJock. [03:45] hey LaserJock [03:45] Hobbsee: You do if there are changes in the orig.tar.gz. [03:45] and you're changing that because? [03:45] Hobbsee: There are corrupt binaries in the .orig.tar.gz, and you can't fix those in the .diff.gz. [03:45] (and jdong is changing that, not me :P) [03:46] oh right. i thought you could. remove them in the clean rule, and add the new ones in via a patch. but if they're binaries.. [03:46] good point [03:46] And can you recommend a better versioning than tacking ubuntu1 on the end? [03:46] Fujitsu, Hobbsee.... so there's no way to correct when a maintainer goofs an orig.tar.gz other than to bump the version? [03:46] you can, it's just going to be really REALLY ugly [03:47] minghua: Not tooo ugly. [03:47] minghua: true. depends what the binary is, i guess [03:47] oh this is the azureus one? [03:47] Just, uuencode them, maybe... But that's messy. [03:47] Hobbsee: Correct. [03:47] Fujitsu: yeah that's what I was thinking [03:48] I've seen that done in something, but it's messy. === Hobbsee suspects dpkg-buildpackage will whinge irrecovably if you do anything else [03:48] I would go for a new .orig.tar.gz [03:48] minghua: As would I. [03:48] 2.5.0.0.1? :d [03:48] bleh, fine then :) [03:48] lol [03:48] but we probably want to talk with upstream/debian first [03:48] It'd be 2.5.0.0ubuntu1, I think... But what minghua said: we should talk to Debian first. [03:48] minghua: why would we talk to debian? They have a valid orig.tar.gz :D [03:49] jdong: Only ours is affected? [03:49] Fujitsu: correct [03:49] so that we don't accidentally step on their foot for next release [03:49] Fujitsu: our azureus packages are different than Debian's [03:49] How the fsck did that happen, jdong? [03:49] Fujitsu: ask doko? [03:49] it ain't my package [03:49] I'm just trying to fix it [03:49] Oh, I see a -0ubuntu2, oops. [03:49] oh yes, i remember looking to merge azureus [03:49] minghua: How could we step on their feet? If we take ubuntu1 on the end, it can't interfere with a version they make in the future... [03:49] jdong: I see. then no need to talk to debian, I suppose. pardon me for jumping in the discussion in the middle :-) [03:50] Hobbsee: That was silly of you. [03:50] minghua: no problem [03:50] Fujitsu: heh. actually, it wasnt too bad. but it didnt build. and involved lots of guess work [03:50] I remember trying to spend a few hours on packaging azureus too [03:50] I didn't even git it to build === Fujitsu renames the upstream tarball to azureus_2.5.0.0ubuntu1.orig.tar.gz, changes the version in the changelog appropriately, and tests. [03:51] Fujitsu: what if upstream has a 2.5.0.0.1? [03:51] minghua: Then that is > 2.5.0.0ubuntu1. === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:52] so now we have a 2.5.0.0ubuntu1-0ubuntu1 package? [03:52] hi guys [03:52] and Hobbsee [03:52] heya LaserJock. :) [03:53] sounds like there will be some exciting things in MOTU land [03:53] LaserJock: You may recall we have a linsmith startup-crasher in Edgy, which upstream released a fix for yesterday. I've backported the fix, it all works fine... Shall I go ahead with SRU stuff? [03:53] LaserJock: eg? [03:54] jdong: It seems that new tarball actually fixes things, which is good. [03:54] LaserJock: how so? [03:55] having a MOTU leadership team (Council Greyskull?) [03:55] ah, nice :) [03:55] Fujitsu: you are right about the version, go ahead then [03:55] Fujitsu: I wouldn't have spent time uploading it somewhere if it didn't do anything :D [03:56] heh, I don't really use Azureus anymore anyway [03:56] but some people are really crazy about it [03:56] (although I still worry they may release 2.5.0.0take2 or something, but I am just paranoid :-) [03:56] GCJ makes it quirky [03:56] minghua: they have never done that yet [03:56] perhaps having core-devs reviewing stuff more [03:57] LaserJock: right, yep [03:57] minghua: and you can't do that with a bittorrent client.... you can't represent that version with the protocol :) [03:57] LaserJock: `stuff'? [03:57] What a nice version number: [03:57] Fujitsu: well, Mark wants to sort of get communication between core-dev and MOTu better [03:57] azureus 2.5.0.0ubuntu1-0ubuntu1 === Hobbsee|Remote [n=user@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:58] LaserJock: What stuff will they be reviewing, though? [03:58] so the idea would be that core-devs would include reviewing MOTU patches for Main packages [03:58] in their day-to-day activity [03:58] Fujitsu can't you just make it 2.5.0.0ubuntu1-1 ? [03:58] that way the core-devs see what's going on [03:58] plugwash: No, it has to be -0ubuntu1 because it's not in Debian. [03:58] core-devs had better take good care of main packages first, like tetex :-( [03:58] and we get a chance to learn from some really knowledgeable people [03:59] well, also on that front [03:59] Poor tetex :( [03:59] it looks like Edubuntu will be expanding [03:59] Fujitsu since you've messed arround with the version number of the upstream tarball i don't see how the debian conflict avoidence versioning is any help anymore [03:59] we'll be including some science software in Main [03:59] plugwash: That's beside the point. Policy says we HAVE to use -0ubuntu1. [03:59] LaserJock: OK, so we need you to be -core-dev. Simple. [04:00] yep === Hobbsee goes off to uni, but takes the logs [04:00] well, off to the lab [04:00] but that means that science packages might get a little more attention [04:00] That will be good, although I can imagine you'd be spending more of your time on some other stuff (like Edubuntu) [04:00] there has been a lot of community and governance talk [04:01] Any news on the new CC/TB? [04:01] Fujitsu: well, one of my tasks as a core-dev in Edubuntu would be munitioning Main science packages [04:01] bah, stupid spell check [04:01] Hahah [04:01] *maintaining [04:02] Fujitsu: well, Mark is looking for nominations [04:02] +1 from me :-) [04:02] he'll pick some and then in the case of TB all devs will vote [04:02] and in the case of CC members will vote (somehow) [04:03] Member poll on LP, maybe. [04:04] well, there was discussion of perhaps using different voting schemes [04:04] anyway, that'll get worked out [04:04] Presumably. [04:04] but basically all of the membership approval will be shifted away from CC/TB [04:04] so MOTU will be able to approve Ubuntu members [04:05] and new MOTUs [04:05] Well, that will be interesting. === Fujitsu prods geser with a membership stick. [04:06] hopefully as the week gets further along well get more concrete stuff [04:07] Goodo... [04:07] Sounds like there are some biiig changes happening. [04:07] yeah [04:07] although nothing that I'd say is radical [04:08] mostly just formalizing things that have existed to some degree already [04:08] but not documented or maybe widely understood [04:08] OK. [04:08] Which specs have you been to? [04:08] too many to remember [04:08] hey guys [04:08] several Edubuntu ones naturally [04:08] Edubuntu-on-2-cds [04:09] Hi lophyte. [04:09] TB [04:09] new developers [04:09] the new-developers one was the last one I went to [04:10] What was decided in the new-developers one? Just that they should be approved by their respective groups, not the TB? [04:10] I still wish I was down there.. boo-urns [04:10] mdz did a rather wonderful job of outlining exactly what we expect a MOTU and core dev to be [04:10] Is there a recording/transcript around? [04:12] just a sec [04:16] Fujitsu: gah, my internet is weird, I think it is wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers or something like that [04:16] Thanks.. [04:16] They actually update the specs? [04:17] There is no spec on the wiki for New Developers yet. [04:18] well the wiki page ^^ is basically the spec page [04:18] more or less defining what we want to see in prospective devs [04:24] We can upload to -proposed without prior approval, right? === minghua [n=minghua@ppp-70-247-42-161.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === aBiNg [n=helo_aBi@221.6.29.75] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:36] Fujitsu: I think that's the way I read the policy [04:36] LaserJock: Looks like it. === marian-o [n=mariano@host76.201-253-187.telecom.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === joejaxx_G3 [n=joejaxx_@38.99.84.33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === giskard__ [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rytmisk [n=irc@155.143.139.95] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp45-75.lns2.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee|Remote [n=user@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Marsmensch [n=daniel@dslb-084-056-115-252.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:12] hello all [07:12] heya [07:14] Hi zakame. [07:16] interesting @ the membership management [07:17] What, MOTUs being able to approve them? [07:18] yeah === Hobbsee wonders if all MOTU's actually want to do that. what would the quorum be? [07:18] being part of the kcc myself, i cant see people actually wanting to do it terribly much. [07:21] Hobbsee: What spec is that? [07:22] TheMuso: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MembershipManagement [07:22] Thanks. [07:24] I can't see that being a good thing, personally. [07:25] I would rather justify my skills and needs to a seperate third party and have them sign off on it. [07:25] It's understandable that they want to alleviate load on the CC. [07:25] Where is motu approval mentioned? [07:25] Fujitsu: yeah, well. we've seen that lately [07:25] Each team sorting itself out is a bit messy. [07:26] To be honest, I'm quite interested to see what happens with the tech-board and new-developers. [07:26] yes, what isnt mentioned there is that people who are good at coding arent necessarily good at the whole management/community side of things. well, not as good - adn we dont want to find that what's happened to the CC happens to the MOTU's [07:26] StevenK: Me too. [07:26] StevenK: Same... I'd really like recordings of those sessions :( [07:27] I'm interested in the outcome, not the discussion. [07:27] i think there are some recordings - just not public yet [07:27] Well Ng in #udsmtv said that the voip stuff is being recorded. [07:27] Well, the discussion will hint about the outcome before it actually happens :P [07:27] true [07:27] But someone will have to pull them a part and make them available. === StevenK ponders getting up for the motu spec. [07:30] When is it? [07:30] 10am PST [07:30] whihc is when, local? [07:31] That's -5? [07:31] 5am [07:31] -8 [07:33] ouch [07:33] i'll pass === Hobbsee doesnt do 5am, unless it's something like a plane trip [07:34] Heh === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu doesn't do 5am unless it's something that it's important to be at, like a TB meeting that I'm up for grilling at, and it's not school that day. [07:36] yeah, well [07:36] Is tomorrow's schedule out already? [07:36] Yup. [07:36] Wow. [07:36] THey're actually planning ahead this time. === Hobbsee has school, or uni, or both, most, if not all days of the week :P hence the lack of early starts [07:36] wow, nice [07:37] Ok, I'm getting up at 4AM. [07:37] There is a spec I wanna join in on. [07:37] Which? [07:37] Orca laptop support/. [07:37] devfarm? [07:37] ah === Fujitsu is disappointed to not see an open-launchpad spec slipped in at the last minute. === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kyral_ [n=kyral@HyperDream.graham.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:01] Fujitsu: haha [08:02] i whould do it :P === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pingar [n=saltvik@ti500720a080-0943.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cwillu [n=cwillu@S01060011d8399444.ss.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:35] anyone here who was in the MOTU BoF today ? === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feaff900-158.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cwillu [n=cwillu@S01060011d8399444.ss.shawcable.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feaff900-158.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajforgue [n=andrew@adsl-67-125-69-250.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jozo [i=jozo@nelli.ikonia.fi] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feaff900-158.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-5-228.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feaff900-158.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 is now known as superm1_away === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@LAubervilliers-151-12-125-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez -> bed === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feaff900-158.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thesaltydog [n=fabio@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-158-46.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@wall2.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kagou [n=Kagou@84.6.193.165] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-50-206.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rytmisk [n=irc@155.143.139.95] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thesaltydog [n=fabio@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-50-206.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@LAubervilliers-151-12-125-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@137.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feaff900-158.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@wall2.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:29] bug #64841 [12:29] Malone bug 64841 in wlassistant "wireless assisant does not connect in edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/64841 [12:38] morning all [12:40] hi fernando [12:43] !info wlassistant edgy [12:43] wlassistant: User friendly KDE frontend for wireless network connection. In component main, is optional. 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[04:22] bddebian: I hardly know any of the upstream... [04:22] Yes, just about any I have added I have tried to send either upstream or to Debian [04:22] I see [04:23] At least for Edgy [04:23] bddebian: is there a track record somewhere? [04:23] I wasn't as good about it with Dapper :-( [04:23] I probably should leave desktop files alone when sending patches to Debian, then === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:24] minghua: My personal belief is better to have an unstranslated .desktop than none but I was voted down on that :-( [04:25] Hmm, yes, another point to consider === Q-FUNK is amazed at how much LESS resources icewm-session takes compaed to gnome-session, even wth g-s-d and nautilus running. === geser [n=michael@dialin107092.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK is thus running Ubuntu98 on his desktop === psusi [i=hidden-u@iriserv.iradimed.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pirast [n=martin@p508B1AB7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lionel [n=lionel@10.21.96-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pingar [n=saltvik@ti500720a080-1109.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@200165128209.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marian-o [n=mariano@host76.201-253-187.telecom.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:26] Hi. Who cares about octplot? there is a serious bug in package shipped with edgy. Bug 65398 [05:26] Malone bug 65398 in octplot "[UNMETDEPS] octplot has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65398 [05:36] jonh_wendell: someone needs to check if a rebuild fixes it and then go through the motu-sru process to the fix included into edgy === CarlFK [n=carl@c-24-13-53-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:37] geser: i guess just a little change in its dependency solves the problem... [05:38] if the package get rebuild it will pick up the current dependencies [05:39] geser: any idea when someone will get this job? :) [05:39] hmm [05:39] feisty open ? === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-5-108.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lloydinho_ [i=andreas@conference/ubuntuconf/x-37c59e288681a45a] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:43] jonh_wendell: I've just put octplot into my pbuilder === ogra [i=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:44] geser: pardon me, but what does your pbuilder mean? [05:45] pbuilder is chroot environment used for (re-)building packages === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:47] geser: do you think that corrected package will be in edgy-updates? === bettsp [n=paul@cpe-75-180-31-171.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fpunit [n=urma@20150198099.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:50] as the current package is uninstallable the chances are quite good to get it into edgy-updates [05:51] I'm gonna be a total n00b, but I'd like to start getting involved in maintaining packages in Ubuntu; I've been reading the stuff online on the wiki, but where do I initially begin? === fpunit [n=urma@20150198099.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] [05:52] geser: great! [05:52] I've done a lot of development work, but not much in maintaining === infinito [n=infinito@87.217.161.204] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:52] jonh_wendell: a rebuild seems to fix it [05:52] geser: did you see the bug i've opened? bug 70750 [05:52] Malone bug 70750 in octplot "New version from debian. Please sync." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70750 [05:53] yes, but a new version won't make it into edgy-updates [05:56] geser: ok, no problem! thanks [05:58] bettsp: currently is everyone waiting till feisty gets open [05:58] then the merging fun starts === infinito [n=infinito@87.217.161.204] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:59] geser: just more q question: When will it released in edgy-updates? tomorrow? :) [05:59] definitely not [05:59] first I need to file a bug for a sru approval [06:00] if it gets accepted then a package can be uploaded to edgy-proposed where it will be tested [06:01] and then it depends how long it takes to get 5 ACKs for the fixed package (but at least 7 ways) === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.175.27] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:02] in total I would estimate 2-3 weeks till it hits edgy-updates (if everything works as it should) === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mlpug [n=user@a84-231-238-186.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:02] uau === Lure [i=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:03] morning [06:03] Heya ajmitch [06:03] geser: thanks a lot. i'm going to tell that to people here [06:03] is feisty actually open now ? === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ezsquirt [n=bowser@vol21-1-82-224-19-51.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [i=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chrisj [i=tortoise@conference/ubuntuconf/x-1498590883784e7b] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [i=daniel@conference/ubuntuconf/x-b1b3bf37489fea29] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio__ [i=tonio@conference/ubuntuconf/x-02614aed8549827d] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajforgue [i=andrew@nat/google/x-8de530cf400fb93b] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === infinito [n=infinito@87.217.161.204] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.175.27] has joined #ubuntu-motu === luckyone [n=hidden@CPE-65-28-2-251.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:28] can we get folding@home added to our repos please? === micahcowan [n=micahcow@69.36.252.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:45] wg 39 === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === infinito [n=infinito@87.217.161.204] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure_ [i=lure@conference/ubuntuconf/x-26785907aa1cf2b4] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@LAubervilliers-151-12-125-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:05] FYI: those in the MOTU BoF, please speak up the line quality is awful === lakin [n=lakin@S01060030ab12b2fb.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1__ [n=superm1@68-115-81-248.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1__ is now known as superm1 === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feaff900-158.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [i=seveas@conference/ubuntuconf/x-0f73814b6203b278] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [i=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubuntu_demon [i=depjayds@conference/ubuntuconf/x-f4c849544d4d5100] has joined #ubuntu-motu === infinito [n=infinito@87.217.161.204] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === infinito [n=infinito@87.217.161.204] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [i=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === psusi [i=hidden-u@iriserv.iradimed.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _DvP_ [n=David@128.235.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === infinito [n=infinito@87.217.161.204] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marian-o [n=mariano@host145.201-253-6.telecom.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@LAubervilliers-151-12-125-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === infinito [n=infinito@87.217.161.204] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [i=doko@conference/ubuntuconf/x-58dc0774fc63ff7f] has joined #ubuntu-motu === infinito [n=infinito@87.217.161.204] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lloydinho_ [i=andreas@conference/ubuntuconf/x-86c3d5e79ec828ac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=vladimir@catv-tisnov-86.selfnet.cz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@LAubervilliers-151-12-125-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chrisj [i=tortoise@conference/ubuntuconf/x-ccfe536f0f9d2155] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-158-46.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:45] what is the Self Appointed Benevolent Dictator like acronym? [08:45] sabdafl? [08:45] SABDAFL [08:46] A for life... what is the a? === psusi has no idea what it is short for [08:46] CarlFK: I was just wondering that myself [08:46] Appointed? [08:46] could be ... [08:46] Nah, seems redundant [08:47] it is [08:47] sabdfl [08:47] (not sabdafl). === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@gimel.nas.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:47] Ah yes === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:00] bddebian: and AFL? === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:01] ehrr only fl === lloydinho_ [i=andreas@conference/ubuntuconf/x-01bb2d35685185bd] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [i=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajforgue [i=andrew@conference/ubuntuconf/x-c2d6098b84e60752] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU === xopher [n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [i=travis@conference/ubuntuconf/x-3ceafd7c937f40b6] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:26] what is the next version after 0.3.5-2ubuntu1 suitable for edgy-proposed? [09:26] 0.3.5-2ubuntu1.1 [09:28] I'm preparing a debdiff for a sru (to be filed). which bug reports should be mentioned in the debdiff? only the one which is fixed or also the one for the sru? === zul [i=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:28] both bug reports. [09:29] thanks === pygi [n=mario@83-131-27-67.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@LAubervilliers-151-12-125-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:40] bhale: are you on crack? [09:40] hub: hah? [09:41] bhale: didn't you just write this: http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2006/11/07/474-webkit-and-gnome#c2382 [09:41] I did === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [09:41] bhale: then you are a complete troll [09:41] I am genuinely curious as to howit makes sense === ogra [i=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:42] reusing *free software* for *free software* [09:42] ie KHTML in Gnome by way of WebKit? [09:43] you are just a troll [09:43] I didnt say "free software" once [09:43] bhale: you say "proponent of MacOS X" [09:43] really my comment related more to your comments about mono than anything to do with webkit === fredix [n=fredix@86.67.45.243] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:43] bhale: then why do you post here? to look like a fool? [09:43] arf [09:44] can you guys please take the vitrolics to msg or something? [09:44] I like burritos [09:44] crimsun: I'll just shut up === recon0 [n=recon@pool-70-111-232-235.nwrk.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === recon0 [n=recon@pool-70-111-232-235.nwrk.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [i=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:52] crimsun: but FYI I just posted a link above to explain === ogra_ [i=ogra@conference/ubuntuconf/x-b13d5956958ca762] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@d213-103-239-179.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === geolr [n=geolr@i3ED6DCCC.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === geolr [n=geolr@i3ED6DCCC.versanet.de] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:59] \o/ [10:00] Heya LaserJock [10:00] hi bddebian === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-158-46.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:03] I guess its lunch time for everyone over there atm [10:04] TheMuso: Sounds about right. === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@LAubervilliers-151-12-125-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:04] StevenK: Heya! [10:04] TheMuso: Hey. [10:04] uggg, what a day [10:04] TheMuso: Did you end up getting up at 4am? [10:04] I thought my boss was going to kill me this morning [10:04] StevenK: Yep, for two specs that I was glad I attended. [10:05] Nice. === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:05] TheMuso: which ones? [10:05] LaserJock: Both the Orca specs. [10:05] TheMuso: How was it? [10:05] Orca Laptop support, and Orca PulseAudio. [10:05] StevenK: Good. The laptop support one was a great session. [10:05] TheMuso: You could hear everything? What I mean was, what was the setup? [10:06] VOIP with a few people in the room, and three of us on VOIP. [10:08] Fujitsu: you here? [10:08] LaserJock: Yep. [10:08] Fujitsu: check this out from a spec "The MOTUScience team will compile list of educational apps suitable for universities. These apps will move to main and on the add-on CD." === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-5-228.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:08] Eek. [10:09] Fujitsu: I might need your brain for some of that :-) [10:10] Has an approximate number been specified? Or a size? === Q-FUNK feels like putting together an IceBuntu distro together for Feisty [10:11] hm. redundancy r us. [10:11] Fujitsu: no, we just need to be aware that they will be going into Main [10:11] so we'll want a tight set [10:12] OK... So you'd better hurry up with your -core-dev application :P [10:12] just the most best [10:12] Fujitsu: hehe, well I had to create a reason for them to make me one ;-) [10:12] True. [10:12] this is a preliminary spec for Edubuntu [10:13] but I think it'll get approved === redguy [n=mati@public-gprs19093.centertel.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu thinks what sort of stuff could be suitable for universities. [10:13] high school and universities if we can [10:13] well [10:13] in essence all grade levels [10:14] but the hard ones will be high school and uni [10:14] as there is a lot more out there and a lot more to cover [10:14] maxima, perhaps? [10:14] There's tooo many packages to choose from :S [10:14] hehe [10:14] well, maxima did seem like a good choice [10:15] ghemical is great for chemistry [10:16] I haven't done much with the chemistry stuff. [10:16] well, I can handle that one I think ;-) [10:17] stellarium would be very cool for astronomy [10:17]