[12:33] <chantra> hi, browsing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Reviewing/Tips?action=show&redirect=ReviewingTips
[12:34] <chantra> I landed on that page: http://revu.tauware.de/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/wiki/Revu1Building
[12:34] <chantra> it seems it needs some upgrade :)
[12:34] <chantra> so if there is any admin around...
[12:34] <chantra> trac-admin /srv/revu-trac upgrade
[01:14] <stinkydave> Hello all
[01:17] <stinkydave> I was wondering if anyone could give some advice on a sound card, I am building a machine for a friend who is a musician. He wants to be able to record and produce music on the computer. I know what programs to use, I just need advice on what kind of sound card to get for the project. He is on a budget so a decent priced one would be prefferable
[01:19] <crimsun> get an M-Audio Delta 1010LT
[01:19] <crimsun> why are you asking in here, btw?
[01:19] <crimsun> this is better suited in #alsa or #ubuntustudio
[01:27] <stinkydave> I just did a quick search on the internet, should of read into it more
[01:27] <stinkydave> thanks anyway
[01:56] <crimsun> err, tabs gone from apps? I hope they're joking...
[01:57] <Burgwork> it is Keybuk and seb128, of course they are
[01:58] <crimsun> I figured, but a lot of context is lost in text
[01:58] <Burgwork> yes, yes it is
[03:16] <jdong> Can a MOTU take a look at bug 42269 and the fixed source packages I've linked to on the report?
[03:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42269 in azureus "Does not create a tray icon" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42269
[03:16] <Fujitsu> Evenign jdong.
[03:16] <jdong> :D
[03:16] <jdong> oh look, right on cue :D
[03:17] <Fujitsu> Evil Java, and no debdiff.
[03:17] <Fujitsu> (ie. attach a debdiff, please)
[03:18] <jdong> Fujitsu: how the heck do I attach a debdiff for a fix to an orig.tar.gz, and debdiff .png files?
[03:18] <Fujitsu> M..
[03:18] <Fujitsu> Good point.
[03:18] <jdong> Fujitsu: all I did was refreshed *.png in orig.tar.gz with ones from Azureus's source package
[03:18] <Fujitsu> A debdiff will still work, just... not for the images, I guess.
[03:19] <jdong> Fujitsu: the bug was that the orig.tar.gz has corrupted *.png files....
[03:19] <Fujitsu> Fun.
[03:19] <Fujitsu> So it's just the .pngs that have been changed?
[03:19] <jdong> right
[03:19] <jdong> so a debdiff would be blank
[03:19] <jdong> except for my bumped changelog entry :D
[03:20] <Fujitsu> Hey dholbach.
[03:20] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach@
[03:20] <dholbach> Fujitsu: thanks for the confidence
[03:20] <dholbach> but somebody else could have just taken it to the wiki themselves already
[03:20] <dholbach> so that's not blocked on me
[03:20] <Fujitsu> Of course, but doko said you were doing it :P
[03:20] <dholbach> yeah, I read it
[03:21] <Fujitsu> You read it before you joined?
[03:21] <dholbach> yes, on his screen
[03:21] <dholbach> we're at UDS and busy with stuff
[03:21] <Fujitsu> Ah, of course.
[03:22] <Fujitsu> How's UDS going?
[03:22] <dholbach> busy :)
[03:22] <dholbach> but good, very good
[03:22] <Fujitsu> Has beryl-by-default been scheduled yet? I must get a SIP account before then...
[03:23] <dholbach> I'm not sure
[03:23] <dholbach> people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/uds-mtv should have it in a bit
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: heh
[03:25] <dholbach> ok, they kick me out the room - i'll write it up and put it on the 'official' SRU page
[03:25] <dholbach> see you tomorrow
[03:25] <dholbach> or something *wave*
[03:43] <Fujitsu> jdong: (back from lunch) That package isn't workable. The orig.tar.gz has to have a new version, like 2.5.0.0.ubuntu1 or something.
[03:44] <jdong> Fujitsu: sorry, I'm no packaging expert by any measure....
[03:44] <jdong> can you fix it pretty please?
[03:44] <Fujitsu> Of course.
[03:44] <jdong> thank you :)
[03:44] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: sorry?
[03:44] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: you dont change the .orig.tar.gz version, i'm hoping.  and certainly not to 2.5.0.0.ubuntu1
[03:45] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: What?
[03:45] <Fujitsu> Hey LaserJock.
[03:45] <Hobbsee> hey LaserJock
[03:45] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: You do if there are changes in the orig.tar.gz.
[03:45] <Hobbsee> and you're changing that because?
[03:45] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: There are corrupt binaries in the .orig.tar.gz, and you can't fix those in the .diff.gz.
[03:45] <Fujitsu> (and jdong is changing that, not me :P)
[03:46] <Hobbsee> oh right.  i thought you could.  remove them in the clean rule, and add the new ones in via a patch.  but if they're binaries..
[03:46] <Hobbsee> good point
[03:46] <Fujitsu> And can you recommend a better versioning than tacking ubuntu1 on the end?
[03:46] <jdong> Fujitsu, Hobbsee.... so there's no way to correct when a maintainer goofs an orig.tar.gz other than to bump the version?
[03:46] <minghua> you can, it's just going to be really REALLY ugly
[03:47] <Fujitsu> minghua: Not tooo ugly.
[03:47] <Hobbsee> minghua: true.  depends what the binary is, i guess
[03:47] <Hobbsee> oh this is the azureus one?
[03:47] <Fujitsu> Just, uuencode them, maybe... But that's messy.
[03:47] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Correct.
[03:47] <minghua> Fujitsu: yeah that's what I was thinking
[03:48] <Fujitsu> I've seen that done in something, but it's messy.
[03:48] <minghua> I would go for a new .orig.tar.gz
[03:48] <Fujitsu> minghua: As would I.
[03:48] <jdong> 2.5.0.0.1? :d
[03:48] <Hobbsee> bleh, fine then :)
[03:48] <jdong> lol
[03:48] <minghua> but we probably want to talk with upstream/debian first
[03:48] <Fujitsu> It'd be 2.5.0.0ubuntu1, I think... But what minghua said: we should talk to Debian first.
[03:48] <jdong> minghua: why would we talk to debian? They have a valid orig.tar.gz :D
[03:49] <Fujitsu> jdong: Only ours is affected?
[03:49] <jdong> Fujitsu: correct
[03:49] <minghua> so that we don't accidentally step on their foot for next release
[03:49] <jdong> Fujitsu: our azureus packages are different than Debian's
[03:49] <Fujitsu> How the fsck did that happen, jdong?
[03:49] <jdong> Fujitsu: ask doko?
[03:49] <jdong> it ain't my package
[03:49] <jdong> I'm just trying to fix it
[03:49] <Fujitsu> Oh, I see a -0ubuntu2, oops.
[03:49] <Hobbsee> oh yes, i remember looking to merge azureus
[03:49] <Fujitsu> minghua: How could we step on their feet? If we take ubuntu1 on the end, it can't interfere with a version they make in the future...
[03:49] <minghua> jdong: I see.  then no need to talk to debian, I suppose.  pardon me for jumping in the discussion in the middle :-)
[03:50] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: That was silly of you.
[03:50] <jdong> minghua: no problem
[03:50] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: heh.  actually, it wasnt too bad.  but it didnt build.  and involved lots of guess work
[03:50] <jdong> I remember trying to spend a few hours on packaging azureus too
[03:50] <jdong> I didn't even git it to build
[03:51] <minghua> Fujitsu: what if upstream has a 2.5.0.0.1?
[03:51] <Fujitsu> minghua: Then that is > 2.5.0.0ubuntu1.
[03:52] <jdong> so now we have a 2.5.0.0ubuntu1-0ubuntu1 package?
[03:52] <LaserJock> hi guys
[03:52] <LaserJock> and Hobbsee
[03:52] <Hobbsee> heya LaserJock.  :)
[03:53] <LaserJock> sounds like there will be some exciting things in MOTU land
[03:53] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: You may recall we have a linsmith startup-crasher in Edgy, which upstream released a fix for yesterday. I've backported the fix, it all works fine... Shall I go ahead with SRU stuff?
[03:53] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: eg?
[03:54] <Fujitsu> jdong: It seems that new tarball actually fixes things, which is good.
[03:54] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: how so?
[03:55] <LaserJock> having a MOTU leadership team (Council Greyskull?)
[03:55] <Hobbsee> ah, nice :)
[03:55] <minghua> Fujitsu: you are right about the version, go ahead then
[03:55] <jdong> Fujitsu: I wouldn't have spent time uploading it somewhere if it didn't do anything :D
[03:56] <jdong> heh, I don't really use Azureus anymore anyway
[03:56] <jdong> but some people are really crazy about it
[03:56] <minghua> (although I still worry they may release 2.5.0.0take2 or something, but I am just paranoid :-)
[03:56] <jdong> GCJ makes it quirky
[03:56] <jdong> minghua: they have never done that yet
[03:56] <LaserJock> perhaps having core-devs reviewing stuff more
[03:57] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: right, yep
[03:57] <jdong> minghua: and you can't do that with a bittorrent client.... you can't represent that version with the protocol :)
[03:57] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: `stuff'?
[03:57] <Fujitsu> What a nice version number:
[03:57] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: well, Mark wants to sort of get communication between core-dev and MOTu  better
[03:57] <Fujitsu> azureus 2.5.0.0ubuntu1-0ubuntu1
[03:58] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: What stuff will they be reviewing, though?
[03:58] <LaserJock> so the idea would be that core-devs would include reviewing MOTU patches for Main packages
[03:58] <LaserJock> in their day-to-day activity
[03:58] <plugwash> Fujitsu can't you just make it 2.5.0.0ubuntu1-1 ?
[03:58] <LaserJock> that way the core-devs see what's going on
[03:58] <Fujitsu> plugwash: No, it has to be -0ubuntu1 because it's not in Debian.
[03:58] <minghua> core-devs had better take good care of main packages first, like tetex :-(
[03:58] <LaserJock> and we get a chance to learn from some really knowledgeable people
[03:59] <LaserJock> well, also on that front
[03:59] <Fujitsu> Poor tetex :(
[03:59] <LaserJock> it looks like Edubuntu will be expanding
[03:59] <plugwash> Fujitsu since you've messed arround with the version number of the upstream tarball i don't see how the debian conflict avoidence versioning is any help anymore
[03:59] <LaserJock> we'll be including some science software in Main
[03:59] <Fujitsu> plugwash: That's beside the point. Policy says we HAVE to use -0ubuntu1.
[03:59] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: OK, so we need you to be -core-dev. Simple.
[04:00] <LaserJock> yep
[04:00] <Hobbsee> well, off to the lab
[04:00] <LaserJock> but that means that science packages might get a little more attention
[04:00] <Fujitsu> That will be good, although I can imagine you'd be spending more of your time on some other stuff (like Edubuntu)
[04:00] <LaserJock> there has been a lot of community and governance talk
[04:01] <Fujitsu> Any news on the new CC/TB?
[04:01] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: well, one of my tasks as a core-dev in Edubuntu would be munitioning Main science packages
[04:01] <LaserJock> bah, stupid spell check
[04:01] <Fujitsu> Hahah
[04:01] <LaserJock> *maintaining
[04:02] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: well, Mark is looking for nominations
[04:02] <bddebian> +1 from me :-)
[04:02] <LaserJock> he'll pick some and then in the case of TB all devs will vote
[04:02] <LaserJock> and in the case of CC members will vote (somehow)
[04:03] <Fujitsu> Member poll on LP, maybe.
[04:04] <LaserJock> well, there was discussion of perhaps using different voting schemes
[04:04] <LaserJock> anyway, that'll get worked out
[04:04] <Fujitsu> Presumably.
[04:04] <LaserJock> but basically all of the membership approval will be shifted away from CC/TB
[04:04] <LaserJock> so MOTU will be able to approve Ubuntu members
[04:05] <LaserJock> and new MOTUs
[04:05] <Fujitsu> Well, that will be interesting.
[04:06] <LaserJock> hopefully as the week gets further along well get more concrete stuff
[04:07] <Fujitsu> Goodo...
[04:07] <Fujitsu> Sounds like there are some biiig changes happening.
[04:07] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:07] <LaserJock> although nothing that I'd say is radical
[04:08] <LaserJock> mostly just formalizing things that have existed to some degree already
[04:08] <LaserJock> but not documented or maybe widely understood
[04:08] <Fujitsu> OK.
[04:08] <Fujitsu> Which specs have you been to?
[04:08] <LaserJock> too many to remember
[04:08] <lophyte> hey guys
[04:08] <LaserJock> several Edubuntu ones naturally
[04:08] <LaserJock> Edubuntu-on-2-cds
[04:09] <Fujitsu> Hi lophyte.
[04:09] <LaserJock> TB
[04:09] <LaserJock> new developers
[04:09] <LaserJock> the new-developers one was the last one I went to
[04:10] <Fujitsu> What was decided in the new-developers one? Just that they should be approved by their respective groups, not the TB?
[04:10] <lophyte> I still wish I was down there.. boo-urns
[04:10] <LaserJock> mdz did a rather wonderful job of outlining exactly what we expect a MOTU and core dev to be
[04:10] <Fujitsu> Is there a recording/transcript around?
[04:12] <LaserJock> just a sec
[04:16] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: gah, my internet is weird, I think it is wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers or something like that
[04:16] <Fujitsu> Thanks..
[04:16] <Fujitsu> They actually update the specs?
[04:17] <TheMuso> There is no spec on the wiki for New Developers yet.
[04:18] <LaserJock> well the wiki page ^^ is  basically the spec page
[04:18] <LaserJock> more or less defining what we want to see in prospective devs
[04:24] <Fujitsu> We can upload to -proposed without prior approval, right?
[04:36] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I think that's the way I read the policy
[04:36] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Looks like it.
[07:12] <zakame> hello all
[07:12] <Hobbsee> heya
[07:14] <Fujitsu> Hi zakame.
[07:16] <Hobbsee> interesting @ the membership management
[07:17] <Fujitsu> What, MOTUs being able to approve them?
[07:18] <Hobbsee> yeah
[07:18] <Hobbsee> being part of the kcc myself, i cant see people actually wanting to do it terribly much.
[07:21] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: What spec is that?
[07:22] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MembershipManagement
[07:22] <TheMuso> Thanks.
[07:24] <StevenK> I can't see that being a good thing, personally.
[07:25] <StevenK> I would rather justify my skills and needs to a seperate third party and have them sign off on it.
[07:25] <Fujitsu> It's understandable that they want to alleviate load on the CC.
[07:25] <TheMuso> Where is motu approval mentioned?
[07:25] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yeah, well.   we've seen that lately
[07:25] <StevenK> Each team sorting itself out is a bit messy.
[07:26] <StevenK> To be honest, I'm quite interested to see what happens with the tech-board and new-developers.
[07:26] <Hobbsee> yes, what isnt mentioned there is that people who are good at coding arent necessarily good at the whole management/community side of things.  well, not as good - adn we dont want to find that what's happened to the CC happens to the MOTU's
[07:26] <TheMuso> StevenK: Me too.
[07:26] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Same... I'd really like recordings of those sessions :(
[07:27] <StevenK> I'm interested in the outcome, not the discussion.
[07:27] <Hobbsee> i think there are some recordings - just not public yet
[07:27] <TheMuso> Well Ng in #udsmtv said that the voip stuff is being recorded.
[07:27] <Fujitsu> Well, the discussion will hint about the outcome before it actually happens :P
[07:27] <Hobbsee> true
[07:27] <TheMuso> But someone will have to pull them a part and make them available.
[07:30] <Fujitsu> When is it?
[07:30] <StevenK> 10am PST
[07:30] <Hobbsee> whihc is when, local?
[07:31] <Fujitsu> That's -5?
[07:31] <StevenK> 5am
[07:31] <crimsun> -8
[07:33] <Hobbsee> ouch
[07:33] <Hobbsee> i'll pass
[07:34] <StevenK> Heh
[07:36] <Hobbsee> yeah, well
[07:36] <TheMuso> Is tomorrow's schedule out already?
[07:36] <StevenK> Yup.
[07:36] <TheMuso> Wow.
[07:36] <TheMuso> THey're actually planning ahead this time.
[07:36] <Hobbsee> wow, nice
[07:37] <TheMuso> Ok, I'm getting up at 4AM.
[07:37] <TheMuso> There is a spec I wanna join in on.
[07:37] <StevenK> Which?
[07:37] <TheMuso> Orca laptop support/.
[07:37] <Hobbsee> devfarm?
[07:37] <Hobbsee> ah
[08:01] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: haha
[08:02] <joejaxx> i whould do it :P
[08:35] <Mez> anyone here who was in the MOTU BoF today ?
[12:29] <Hobbsee> bug #64841
[12:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64841 in wlassistant "wireless assisant does not connect in edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64841
[12:38] <fernando> morning all
[12:40] <LaserJock> hi fernando
[12:43] <Hobbsee> !info wlassistant edgy
[12:43] <ubotu> wlassistant: User friendly KDE frontend for wireless network connection. In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.5-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 115 kB, installed size 572 kB
[03:18] <jlow> anyone been having any problems with Pac Digital Qmaster Sata cards
[04:17] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:20] <minghua> hi bddebian
[04:20] <bddebian> Hello minghua
[04:20] <minghua> bddebian: I actually have a question for you
[04:20] <bddebian> Uh oh
[04:21] <minghua> bddebian: I am working on sending our .desktop files to debian
[04:21] <minghua> (if you've seen my mail to ubuntu-science)
[04:21] <bddebian> Don't ask me, I get in trouble for that :-)
[04:21] <minghua> bddebian: I noticed most of uploads are from you
[04:21] <minghua> bddebian: heh.  what kind of trouble exactly?  you might want me to avoid those troubles
[04:22] <bddebian> minghua: All kidding aside, seb128 suggests sending them upstream instead of to Debian where possible
[04:22] <minghua> bddebian: but my real question is: have you send any of them to debian/upstream already?
[04:22] <minghua> bddebian: I hardly know any of the upstream...
[04:22] <bddebian> Yes, just about any I have added I have tried to send either upstream or to Debian
[04:22] <minghua> I see
[04:23] <bddebian> At least for Edgy
[04:23] <minghua> bddebian: is there a track record somewhere?
[04:23] <bddebian> I wasn't as good about it with Dapper :-(
[04:23] <minghua> I probably should leave desktop files alone when sending patches to Debian, then
[04:24] <bddebian> minghua: My personal belief is better to have an unstranslated .desktop than none but I was voted down on that :-(
[04:25] <minghua> Hmm, yes, another point to consider
[05:26] <jonh_wendell> Hi. Who cares about octplot? there is a serious bug in package shipped with edgy. Bug 65398
[05:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65398 in octplot "[UNMETDEPS]  octplot has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65398
[05:36] <geser> jonh_wendell: someone needs to check if a rebuild fixes it and then go through the motu-sru process to the fix included into edgy
[05:37] <jonh_wendell> geser: i guess just a little change in its dependency solves the problem...
[05:38] <geser> if the package get rebuild it will pick up the current dependencies
[05:39] <jonh_wendell> geser: any idea when someone will get this job? :)
[05:39] <Mez> hmm
[05:39] <Mez> feisty open ?
[05:43] <geser> jonh_wendell: I've just put octplot into my pbuilder
[05:44] <jonh_wendell> geser: pardon me, but what does your pbuilder mean?
[05:45] <geser> pbuilder is chroot environment used for (re-)building packages
[05:47] <jonh_wendell> geser: do you think that corrected package will be in edgy-updates?
[05:50] <geser> as the current package is uninstallable the chances are quite good to get it into edgy-updates
[05:51] <bettsp> I'm gonna be a total n00b, but I'd like to start getting involved in maintaining packages in Ubuntu; I've been reading the stuff online on the wiki, but where do I initially begin?
[05:52] <jonh_wendell> geser: great!
[05:52] <bettsp> I've done a lot of development work, but not much in maintaining
[05:52] <geser> jonh_wendell: a rebuild seems to fix it
[05:52] <jonh_wendell> geser: did you see the bug i've opened? bug 70750
[05:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70750 in octplot "New version from debian. Please sync." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70750
[05:53] <geser> yes, but a new version won't make it into edgy-updates
[05:56] <jonh_wendell> geser: ok, no problem! thanks
[05:58] <geser> bettsp: currently is everyone waiting till feisty gets open
[05:58] <geser> then the merging fun starts
[05:59] <jonh_wendell> geser: just more q question: When will it released in edgy-updates? tomorrow? :)
[05:59] <geser> definitely not
[05:59] <geser> first I need to file a bug for a sru approval
[06:00] <geser> if it gets accepted then a package can be uploaded to edgy-proposed where it will be tested
[06:01] <geser> and then it depends how long it takes to get 5 ACKs for the fixed package (but at least 7 ways)
[06:02] <geser> in total I would estimate 2-3 weeks till it hits edgy-updates (if everything works as it should)
[06:02] <jonh_wendell> uau
[06:03] <ajmitch> morning
[06:03] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[06:03] <jonh_wendell> geser: thanks a lot. i'm going to tell that to people here
[06:03] <Mez> is feisty actually open now ?
[06:28] <luckyone> can we get folding@home added to our repos please?
[06:45] <ChaosFan> wg 39
[07:05] <Mez> FYI: those in the MOTU BoF, please speak up the line quality is awful
[08:45] <CarlFK> what is the Self Appointed Benevolent Dictator like acronym?
[08:45] <psusi> sabdafl?
[08:45] <bddebian> SABDAFL
[08:46] <CarlFK> A for life...  what is the a?
[08:46] <bddebian> CarlFK: I was just wondering that myself
[08:46] <bddebian> Appointed?
[08:46] <CarlFK> could be ...
[08:46] <bddebian> Nah, seems redundant
[08:47] <Plug> it is
[08:47] <Plug> sabdfl
[08:47] <Plug> (not sabdafl).
[08:47] <bddebian> Ah yes
[09:00] <giskard> bddebian: and AFL?
[09:01] <giskard> ehrr only fl
[09:26] <geser> what is the next version after 0.3.5-2ubuntu1 suitable for edgy-proposed?
[09:26] <crimsun> 0.3.5-2ubuntu1.1
[09:28] <geser> I'm preparing a debdiff for a sru (to be filed). which bug reports should be mentioned in the debdiff? only the one which is fixed or also the one for the sru?
[09:28] <crimsun> both bug reports.
[09:29] <geser> thanks
[09:40] <hub> bhale: are you on crack?
[09:40] <bhale> hub: hah?
[09:41] <hub> bhale: didn't you just write this: http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2006/11/07/474-webkit-and-gnome#c2382
[09:41] <bhale> I did
[09:41] <hub> bhale: then you are a complete troll
[09:41] <bhale> I am genuinely curious as to howit makes sense
[09:42] <hub> reusing *free software* for *free software*
[09:42] <hub> ie KHTML in Gnome by way of WebKit?
[09:43] <hub> you are just a troll
[09:43] <bhale> I didnt say "free software" once
[09:43] <hub> bhale: you say "proponent of MacOS X"
[09:43] <bhale> really my comment related more to your comments about mono than anything to do with webkit
[09:43] <hub> bhale: then why do you post here? to look like a fool?
[09:43] <Q-FUNK> arf
[09:44] <crimsun> can you guys please take the vitrolics to msg or something?
[09:44] <lotusleaf> I like burritos
[09:44] <hub> crimsun: I'll just shut up
[09:52] <hub> crimsun: but FYI I just posted a link above to explain
[09:59] <LaserJock> \o/
[10:00] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[10:00] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[10:03] <TheMuso> I guess its lunch time for everyone over there atm
[10:04] <StevenK> TheMuso: Sounds about right.
[10:04] <TheMuso> StevenK: Heya!
[10:04] <StevenK> TheMuso: Hey.
[10:04] <LaserJock> uggg, what a day
[10:04] <StevenK> TheMuso: Did you end up getting up at 4am?
[10:04] <LaserJock> I thought my boss was going to kill me this morning
[10:04] <TheMuso> StevenK: Yep, for two specs that I was glad I attended.
[10:05] <StevenK> Nice.
[10:05] <LaserJock> TheMuso: which ones?
[10:05] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Both the Orca specs.
[10:05] <StevenK> TheMuso: How was it?
[10:05] <TheMuso> Orca Laptop support, and Orca PulseAudio.
[10:05] <TheMuso> StevenK: Good. The laptop support one was a great session.
[10:05] <StevenK> TheMuso: You could hear everything? What I mean was, what was the setup?
[10:06] <TheMuso> VOIP with a few people in the room, and three of us on VOIP.
[10:08] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: you here?
[10:08] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Yep.
[10:08] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: check this out from a spec "The MOTUScience team will compile list of educational apps suitable for universities. These apps will move to main and on the add-on CD."
[10:08] <Fujitsu> Eek.
[10:09] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I might need your brain for some of that :-)
[10:10] <Fujitsu> Has an approximate number been specified? Or a size?
[10:11] <Q-FUNK> hm.  redundancy r us.
[10:11] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: no, we just need to be aware that they will be going into Main
[10:11] <LaserJock> so we'll want a tight set
[10:12] <Fujitsu> OK... So you'd better hurry up with your -core-dev application :P
[10:12] <LaserJock> just the most best
[10:12] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: hehe, well I had to create a reason for them to make me one ;-)
[10:12] <Fujitsu> True.
[10:12] <LaserJock> this is a preliminary spec for Edubuntu
[10:13] <LaserJock> but I think it'll get approved
[10:13] <LaserJock> high school and universities if we can
[10:13] <LaserJock> well
[10:13] <LaserJock> in essence all grade levels
[10:14] <LaserJock> but the hard ones will be high school and uni
[10:14] <LaserJock> as there is a lot more out there and a lot more to cover
[10:14] <Fujitsu> maxima, perhaps?
[10:14] <Fujitsu> There's tooo many packages to choose from :S
[10:14] <LaserJock> hehe
[10:14] <LaserJock> well, maxima did seem like a good choice
[10:15] <LaserJock> ghemical is great for chemistry
[10:16] <Fujitsu> I haven't done much with the chemistry stuff.
[10:16] <LaserJock> well, I can handle that one I think ;-)
[10:17] <LaserJock> stellarium would be very cool for astronomy
[10:17] <Fujitsu> Yeah, that's very nice.
[10:17] <LaserJock> but since space was a problem it would never go on a single-cd version
[10:17] <LaserJock> it's a rather large package because of the data
[10:18] <Fujitsu> Of course.
[10:20] <LaserJock> man, I have such a headache today
[10:21] <LaserJock> I left the UDS at 6:00pm
[10:21] <Fujitsu> :(
[10:21] <LaserJock> left Mt. View at 9:00pm
[10:21] <LaserJock> drove ~450 km and got home at around 1:00am
[10:21] <Fujitsu> Erm...
[10:21] <Fujitsu> You drove home!?
[10:22] <LaserJock> worked on presentation for today until 5:00am
[10:22] <LaserJock> went to bed
[10:22] <bhale> LaserJock: wasnt fun?
[10:22] <bhale> LaserJock: had to get out?
[10:22] <LaserJock> got up at 8:30am
[10:22] <LaserJock> worked on presentation (will my boss was upset at me) until 12:00
[10:22] <LaserJock> and and just got back from that
[10:23] <LaserJock> bhale: it was loads of fun
[10:23] <LaserJock> I just had a departmental presentation to do today
[10:23] <bhale> a laser?
[10:23] <LaserJock> and I actually wrote it the hour before I gave it
[10:23] <LaserJock> while my boss was all irritated with me
[10:23] <bhale> i wrote a talk the morning of a conference
[10:24] <LaserJock> I suppose I should have told him I was going to UDS ;-)
[10:24] <bhale> it worked out ok
[10:24] <LaserJock> anyway
[10:24] <LaserJock> I'm totally out of it and have a headache
[10:24] <LaserJock> and I have to talk with my boss again in 1.5 hr
[10:24] <LaserJock> what a day
[10:24] <LaserJock> oh, then I've got to go vote
[10:25] <LaserJock> I keep forgetting
[10:34] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: That bug about LyX's menus using ISO-8859-1 rather than UTF-8 has quite a number of duplicates these days :(
[10:34] <LaserJock> bah
[10:38] <Fujitsu> Ooh, I like bug #55008!
[10:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55008 in xcircuit "POT files not available" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55008
[11:39] <lupine_85> yeah, i guess. i'm using a 64bit arch kernel atm
[11:39] <LaserJock> every added kernel package causes lot of maintaince
[11:40] <lupine_85> they just got rid of a load :p
[11:40] <zul> very very late
[11:40] <lupine_85> I bet not very many people are doing it, though
[11:40] <lupine_85> everyone I spoke to about it was of the opinion it would b0rken my install
[11:41] <LaserJock> hi zul
[11:41] <Fujitsu> This VoIP setup isn't working very well :(
[11:41] <zul> hey LaserJock why arent you here?
[11:42] <LaserJock> I left
[11:42] <zul> ah
[11:42] <LaserJock> I had a presentation today
[11:42] <ajmitch> hi LaserJock
[11:42] <zul> coming back?
[11:42] <LaserJock> ajmitch!
[11:42] <LaserJock> zul: sadly no
[11:42] <Fujitsu> Hey ajmitch.
[11:42] <ajmitch> hello Fujitsu
[11:42] <LaserJock> how did MOTU specing go?
[11:42] <zul> LaserJock: that sucks...good i think
[11:43] <ajmitch> it's gone fairly well, talked more about the leadership team of some sort
[11:43] <LaserJock> good, good
[11:43] <ajmitch> & processes for accepting new MOTUs
[11:43] <LaserJock> anything written down yet?
[11:43] <LaserJock> I'd like to be a tiny bit involved if I can
[11:45] <ajmitch> not much written down yt, I think
[11:45] <LaserJock> k
[11:45] <LaserJock> heh, I see mdz edited wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/