[06:11] <highvoltage> meh
[06:11] <LaserJock> highvoltage!
[06:11] <LaserJock> hi
[06:12] <highvoltage> hi LaserJock 
[06:12] <LaserJock> what's up?
[06:12] <highvoltage> still waking up :)
[06:12] <highvoltage> reading through the wiki changes and LP notifications
[06:12] <highvoltage> it seems like the easiest way to keep up atm.
[06:13] <LaserJock> ah, yes
[06:13] <LaserJock> I'm doing the same
[06:13] <LaserJock> although my email situation is pretty bad
[06:13] <highvoltage> mine too, not because of technical problems, but with overflow of email
[06:14] <LaserJock> until an LP admin switches my @ubuntu.com redirect I'm getting mail at 2 different accounts
[06:14] <LaserJock> and right now none of it's filtered
[06:14] <highvoltage> each e-mail has a 5-10 minute task assosiated with it, and with deadlines looming it's not top priority atm.
[06:14] <highvoltage> ah I see :/
[06:14] <highvoltage> I stopped filreting LP and the wiki, otherwise I'd never read them :)
[07:05] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: tell jono http://xkcd.com/c181.html
[07:05] <edubuntugirl> Righto, highvoltage!
[07:51] <mcksean> exit
[09:01] <willvdl> morning
[09:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> gday
[09:03] <highvoltage> morning willvdl and Kamping_Kaiser 
[09:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> evening highvoltage 
[09:03] <willvdl> hey, didn't see you there :)
[09:07] <highvoltage> I was sitting in the corner.
[09:07] <highvoltage> well, more like, curled up in the fetal position.
[09:08] <highvoltage> so I can understand that you didn't see me :)
[09:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[09:10] <kwak> hi everybody. how do i do a dual boot beside my k12ltsp 5
[09:10] <kwak> i will install edubuntu
[09:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> the cd lets you dual boot
[09:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> *install cd
[09:11] <kwak> the edubuntu install CD right?
[09:11] <kwak> ok.
[09:11] <highvoltage> yes, it does.
[09:11] <highvoltage> are you using the livecd or alternate cd?
[09:11] <kwak> ok will try now
[09:12] <kwak> the alternate CD i guess
[09:12] <highvoltage> ok, it will ask you if you want to erase the entire disk, or shrink your current partition, or do custom partition
[09:12] <highvoltage> you can choose the shrink option and it will do all the hard work for you.
[09:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> it defaults to shrinking (ie dual boot)
[09:13] <kwak> ok
[09:16] <kwak> ok i have three options for installation
[09:16] <kwak> 1. install to the hard disk
[09:16] <kwak> 2. install a workstation
[09:16] <kwak> 3. install a comand-line system
[09:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> 1 (iirc)
[09:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> for the terminal server
[09:18] <kwak> it's "scanning CD-ROM" now
[09:19] <kwak> i have 2 GB NICs, both broadcom i think, which one is for terminal server, eth0 or 1
[09:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> either, as long as you dont care
[09:20] <kwak> 1 NIC will have this network 192.168.0 (TS), 192.168.1., local lan
[09:20] <kwak> the other
[09:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> does it matter to you which nic is on which network?
[09:22] <kwak> well, not really. :)
[09:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> then it doesnt matter to the server :)
[09:22] <kwak> well i think my question was wrong.
[09:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> (theres probably a rule of thumb, but i dont know one)
[09:22] <kwak> since it's both broadcom, i have to figure out which is which.
[09:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> run 'lspci' in a terminal
[09:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> eth0 is usualy the first one on the pci bus
[09:23] <kwak> noted
[09:24] <kwak> im on the partition screen now, in K12ltsp i set it as LVM. now it sees it as sda and sdb
[09:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont know anything about lvm, so i cant help there
[09:25] <kwak> o i guess not LVM
[09:34] <willvdl> cbx33 woot
[09:35] <cbx33> hey willvdl 
[09:35] <willvdl> cbx33, do you use smart boards at all?
[09:35] <cbx33> yes, but not "Smart" boards
[09:35] <cbx33> which is a bugger
[09:35] <cbx33> I saw something about developing drivers and stuff
[09:36] <cbx33> but they won't work on our hitachi cambridge boards
[09:36] <willvdl> http://www.smarttech.com/support/software/linux.asp
[09:36] <willvdl> yeah been talking to some local partners about it
[09:36] <willvdl> want to get some NEPAD guys playing with it to see haw far it can go
[09:37] <willvdl> are the hitachi boards nice?
[09:37] <cbx33> yes
[09:37] <cbx33> we really like them
[09:37] <willvdl> and cheaper no doubt
[09:37] <cbx33> they are a lot cheaper too
[09:37] <cbx33> ;)
[09:37] <willvdl> rear projection?
[09:38] <willvdl> do the hitachi's not need projectors?
[09:38] <willvdl> urk ahead ofmyself. must be the decaff they jsut gave me
[09:39] <cbx33> no they need projectors
[09:39] <cbx33> but they work pretty good
[09:41] <kwak> Kamping_Kaiser: i need your advise on partition, i will shrink / so that if in case im satisfied with edubuntu better than k12 i will totally erase k12. is this possible.
[09:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> kwak, if your using LVM it may not be so easy to shrink them
[09:42] <willvdl> cbx33, do you use tablets or slates as well?
[09:42] <kwak> i mean, will it affect the files in /. i checked it, im not using LVM. my /home is solely sdb1
[09:42] <kwak> i have 3 partitions on sda /boot, swap, /
[09:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, it wont affect those files then.
[09:43] <cbx33> willvdl: no, just the pc 
[09:43] <kwak> i chose resize the partition, and it says it's not possible to resize it.
[09:44] <willvdl> looking at the whole smart product options. looks kinda nice. they can connect all kinds of devices to the boards etc. (synchroneyes etc.)
[09:44] <willvdl> I'm hoping the same is possible on linux 
[09:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> kwak, does it give a reason?
[09:45] <kwak> the same is true with other partitions: got this error "The resize operation is impossible: beucase of an unknown reason it is impossible to resize this partition"
[09:45] <kwak> that's because
[09:45] <cbx33> willvdl: yeh.....I'd say the smarts are what is in use in the most cases
[09:45] <cbx33> if I was clever I could write the driver for a hitachi board ;)
[09:45] <cbx33> wouldn't take much
[09:45] <cbx33> surely it's just a mouse driver really
[09:45] <cbx33> with pressure as well
[09:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> kwak, hm. i havent tried it before, so i'm not sure what could be going on. perhaps someone else here has some ideas
[09:47] <willvdl> well exactly.
[09:48] <willvdl> the trick comes in with the value add stuff like remote desktops, whiteboard sharing etc.
[09:49] <cbx33> yeh
[09:49] <cbx33> which is a more advanced step
[09:49] <cbx33> I wonder who would know about writing a usb HID driver?
[09:50] <cbx33> maybe I'll investigate into that
[09:51] <willvdl> can't be too hard to modify like a usb mouse driver or something
[09:53] <cbx33> well that's what I thought
[09:53] <cbx33> would need to handle calibration
[09:53] <cbx33> although surely that would just be an offset to an operating range
[09:53] <cbx33> not sure it it handles keystone errors?
[09:54] <willvdl> hopefully we can get smart's software...
[09:55] <cbx33> that'd be cool
[09:55] <willvdl> it would make so much sense for them to open their software
[09:55] <willvdl> it's free anyway
[09:55] <cbx33> yeh
[10:02] <highvoltage> willvdl: you need to do some advocacy there ;)
[10:03] <willvdl> highvoltage, dude, no doubt. I'm getting an intro to their developers soon.
[10:19] <cbx33> hmm....
[10:19] <cbx33> It may be that this board already has a driver ;)
[10:19] <cbx33> the standard usbhid maywork
[10:19] <cbx33> I'll chav a board at lunch and try it out
[10:27] <kwak> ok
[10:27] <kwak> thanks
[10:42] <cbx33> join #ejabberd
[10:42] <cbx33> rats
[10:50] <kwak> r u still there Kamping_Kaiser?
[10:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> kwak, i'm here
[10:53] <kwak> im thinking of just installing edubuntu on top of k12, but preserving /home which is on a separate partition.
[10:53] <kwak> i have at least almost 200 students, they don't have much files in there, but i have to create their usernames again right?
[10:54] <kwak> i just restarted k12 and it hanged again
[10:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, you have to recreate the users. if the usernames are the same as their home dirs, you can script that though
[10:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> and save /etc/[shadow,passwd]  - you can sed in the old passwords if your keen as well
[10:56] <kwak> the passwords will be easy, but if there's a way not to redo the individual usernames, that might be better
[10:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can recreate the usernames from tehir home dirs - or do you call users different to homes?
[10:59] <kwak> their usernames and homes are the same
[11:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> then you can use a for loop to script it.
[11:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> back in 30 min though :|
[11:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> brb
[11:01] <kwak> k
[11:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> kwak, back
[11:20] <cbx33> anyone got experience with ejabberd
[11:21] <kwak> ok.
[11:21] <highvoltage> I've installed it a few times and it just worked, so I'm not an expert.
[11:22] <highvoltage> iirc, all I needed to do was change the address in the config file so that it would listen on the right ip address, as apposed to localhost
[11:35] <cbx33> yeh it's working now
[11:35] <cbx33> except I can't get admin access through gaim
[11:35] <cbx33> which sux a little
[01:33] <cbx33> why is this not working
[01:33] <cbx33> grrr
[01:34] <cbx33> mplayer codecs
[01:43] <cbx33> ive installed them into the directories but mp3's still dn;t play
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> cbx33, whats up?
[01:44] <cbx33> i can't get the codecs to work for mplayer
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> so apt-get mplayer, and downloaded the tar from mplayers home?
[01:45] <cbx33> yeh i did that
[01:45] <cbx33> where do I untar them
[01:45] <cbx33> I tried all three locations and it still doesn't work
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> just untar to ~/stuff
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> the readme tells where to mv them to, iirc /usr/local/codecs
[01:46] <cbx33> ysh I tried all those locations it didn't work
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> have you restarted all mplayers?
[01:46] <cbx33> yes
[01:46] <cbx33> neither have I
[02:52] <cbx33> guys is there a JRE plugin for firefox in ubutnu on amd64?
[02:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sun, perhaps the gnu java...? (??)
[02:53] <cbx33> hmmm can't find anything
[02:53] <cbx33> there is a sun-java5-plugin pacakge
[02:53] <cbx33> but it's not available here
[02:54] <cbx33> Package sun-java5-plugin is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> got multiverse?
[03:04] <cbx33> i sorted it
[03:05] <cbx33> it's not present on amd 64
[03:05] <cbx33> liek a lot of stuff
[03:08] <jsgotangco> well
[03:08] <jsgotangco> :)
[03:09] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:09] <jsgotangco> this is funny
[03:09] <jsgotangco> i use gizmo
[03:09] <jsgotangco> it works wayy wayyy better in linux than in windows
[03:13] <cbx33> pete savage : I was #1 on google yesterday
[03:13] <cbx33> darn it I've slipped to 2 now
[03:13] <cbx33> heheh
[03:14] <cbx33> gizmo
[03:14] <cbx33> ahhh voip
[03:14] <jsgotangco> yep
[03:14] <jsgotangco> well i have a call-in number
[03:38] <Gatekeeper> hi 
[03:38] <Gatekeeper> what the difernt between ubuntu und edubuntu ???
[03:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> edubuntu has a more 'children' oriented pacackages
[03:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> and a default instlal installs an LTSP server
[03:42] <Gatekeeper> right i try apt-get install joe 
[03:42] <Gatekeeper> package not found 
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> its in universe
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> you will have to enable the repository
[03:43] <Gatekeeper> where
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> system -> admin -> software properties
[03:46] <Gatekeeper> okay thx 
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[04:15] <stgraber> RichEd: good morning
[04:17] <jsgotangco> hi
[04:18] <RichEd> gi 
[04:18] <RichEd> hi guys 
[04:18] <RichEd> just getting my day under way ... time to get ready for brekkie & the bus ...
[04:18] <jsgotangco> ?
[04:19] <jsgotangco> oh you need to take a bus to go to the place
[04:19] <jsgotangco> jeezz
[04:19] <jsgotangco> wow
[04:19] <jsgotangco> Nuffing: hey there
[04:19] <Nuffing> hi, just connecting up, I am on my way out but will bbl (in a few hours)
[04:20] <jsgotangco> hi, bye!
[04:20] <Nuffing> see ya
[04:21] <RichEd> hi nuffing ... are you having trouble installing edubuntu ?
[04:23] <stgraber> RichEd: I read the wiki page about Student Control Panel and I just had a question, what happens if we have two teachers ? (for example for the info messages when a student ask a question)
[04:23] <RichEd> good point stgraber : i will ask oliver
[04:23] <stgraber> that's more a technical question, but it could be interesting to handle having two teachers
[04:26] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:34] <stgraber> hi
[05:09] <aze> hi all
[05:23] <cbx33> hey all
[05:23] <stgraber> hi
[07:08] <stgraber> Will the Student Control Panel BOF (11-12) be on VOIP ?
[07:13] <juliux> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cmsj/voip/2006-11-08.html
[07:13] <juliux> stgraber, there you can see the timetable
[07:14] <stgraber> I know, but 11-12 isn't on it
[07:14] <stgraber> (not yet)
[07:15] <stgraber> And I don't know if that will be like yesterday where there was only some drafting and then nothing on VOIP
[07:15] <Burgwork> stgraber: the schedule for the next day is only made up the night before
[07:29] <cbx33> stgraber, I'd be interested in finding that out
[07:29] <cbx33> ogra, can you shed any light?
[07:34] <ogra> cbx33, there are no discussion sessions any more if a spec is in drafting
[07:34] <edubuntugirl> ogra: by the way, highvoltage told me to tell you 'glad to see that the 2nd cd as repo is kind of panning out :)' 1 day, 12 hours, 48 minutes and 40 seconds ago (on Tue Nov  7 07:45:08 2006)
[07:34] <cbx33> ogra, that's what I thought
[07:34] <ogra> edubuntugirl, tell highvoltage i'm glad as well :)
[07:34] <edubuntugirl> Righto, ogra!
[07:35] <Burgwork> ok, our bot rocks
[07:35] <cbx33> indeed
[07:37] <cbx33> oooh
[07:37] <cbx33> ogra, http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=155
[07:37] <cbx33> see comment ;)
[07:39] <ogra> nice ! :)
[07:39] <cbx33> I'm hoping to get some more great feedback on that
[07:39] <cbx33> I've never done anything like that before
[07:40] <cbx33> but boy would it be useful to us
[07:41] <cbx33> right I'm off, back later
[07:51] <sbalneav> morning LaserJock
[07:53] <LaserJock> hi Scotty!
[08:08] <Nuffing> edubuntugirl, tell RichEd Hi, and stop running away every time I log on :P
[08:08] <edubuntugirl> Righto, Nuffing!
[08:08] <Nuffing> edubuntugirl, thanks
[08:08] <edubuntugirl> no worries, Nuffing
[08:08] <LaserJock> haha
[08:09] <LaserJock> how's it going Nuffing?
[08:14] <stgraber> ogra: I read the wiki about StudentControlPanelSpec this afternoon, I have 1 suggestion and 1 question
[08:15] <stgraber> suggestion : A very often used functionnality here on Windows is to shutdown all the computers (actually we can only disconnect with the SCP)
[08:15] <stgraber> question : What happens if we have two teachers ? (about the "ask a question" thing, will they both receive the message ?)
[09:01] <LaserJock> hi RichEd 
[09:01] <Burgwork> hey RichEd
[09:03] <bimberi> g'day RichEd
[09:05] <juliux> hi RichEd 
[09:09] <LaserJock> sbalneav: quick question if you're here, how is the ltsp-management-gui different from SCP?
[09:10] <LaserJock> sbalneav: nvm
[09:10] <sbalneav> :)
[09:11] <LaserJock> I hate not being there not that I was there for a little bit
[09:11] <LaserJock> s/not/now/
[09:12] <RichEd> hi LaserJock Burgwork bimberi juliux ...
[09:13] <edubuntugirl> RichEd: by the way, Nuffing told me to tell you 'Hi, and stop running away every time I log on :P' 1 hours, 4 minutes and 42 seconds ago (on Wed Nov  8 21:07:41 2006)
[09:13] <LaserJock> hehe
[09:14] <RichEd> *nagged
[09:14] <RichEd> brb
[09:14] <LaserJock> haha
[09:24] <RichEd> LaserJock: how do I give the electronic nag a nag to send back to the real world one ?
[09:25] <RichEd> and will edubuntugirl pipe up if Nuffing changes her away status, or only on rejoin ?
[09:25] <LaserJock> do: edubuntugirl, tell <user> <message>
[09:25] <LaserJock> RichEd: I think it might only do it if the person says something
[09:26] <LaserJock> but I'm not really sure
[09:27] <RichEd> edubuntugirl, tell Nuffing 'I was online waiting for you this morning (your evening) when you signed on and you spoke to the channel and then ingored me and ran away ... so brpthhhhhhhh !'
[09:27] <edubuntugirl> Righto, RichEd!
[09:27] <RichEd> thanks edubuntugirl 
[09:28] <LaserJock> haha
[09:28] <LaserJock> ogra: are you planning on changing user/group management in Feisty?
[10:03] <HedgeMage> RichEd: still about?
[10:04] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: by the way, ogra told me to tell you 'i'm glad as well :)' 2 hours, 29 minutes and 49 seconds ago (on Wed Nov  8 20:34:21 2006)
[10:04] <highvoltage> :)
[10:05] <highvoltage> RichEd: edubuntugirl will tell nuffing when she says something again
[10:05] <highvoltage> LaserJock: edubuntugirl is a she, not an it :)
[10:05] <highvoltage> goodnight HedgeMage 
[10:05] <LaserJock> highvoltage: whatever
[10:05] <highvoltage> and hello pygi!
[10:05] <highvoltage> :)
[10:05] <highvoltage> goodnight LaserJock 
[10:05] <LaserJock> highvoltage: that's what I get for trying to be politically correct ;-)
[10:05] <pygi> hey highvoltage 
[10:06] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: going to bed?
[10:06] <pygi> hey HedgeMage 
[10:06] <HedgeMage> hi pygi 
[10:06] <highvoltage> heh. well, I would've made a stab at Americans, but the Americans' ratings have gone up a little with me so I'll leave it :)
[10:06] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: yep
[10:06] <HedgeMage> lol
[10:06] <HedgeMage> sweet dreams highvoltage 
[10:06] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: it's 11pm and I've been working since 5am
[10:07] <HedgeMage> awww
[10:07] <highvoltage> thanks. goodnight!
[10:07] <highvoltage> it's cool though, been super productive and I love it... keep an eye on slashdot next week ;)
[10:07] <pygi> highvoltage: if I manage to convince my laptop to connect to internet, you'll get libburn-enabled brasero
[10:07] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: good for you!
[10:09] <Nuffing> hello
[10:09] <edubuntugirl> Nuffing: by the way, RichEd told me to tell you ''I was online waiting for you this morning (your evening) when you signed on and you spoke to the channel and then ingored me and ran away ... so brpthhhhhhhh !'' 42 minutes and 1 seconds ago (on Wed Nov  8 22:26:40 2006)
[10:09] <Nuffing> Thanks edubuntugirl 
[10:09] <Nuffing> nagging indeed *pout*
[10:09] <Nuffing> ;)
[10:12] <LaserJock> haha
[10:12] <mario_> I'm back
[10:12] <mario_> now lets see what I can do with a package :)
[10:14] <mario_> ergh, why wont it sign the package!!!@#!
[10:15] <LaserJock> mario_: are you using -k<keyid>?
[10:15] <mario_> LaserJock, nah, using nothing, it defaults to my key
[10:15] <LaserJock> ok
[10:16] <LaserJock> and you have the right name and email address in debian/changelog?
[10:16] <mario_> ofcourse
[10:21] <mario_> LaserJock, dunno what's happening, I'm being confused as always:)
[10:23] <mario_> LaserJock, any sensful idea? :)
[10:24] <LaserJock> can you sign other things?
[10:26] <mario_> didn't try really, but it would help if this debsign thingy was a bit more verbose :)
[10:29] <mario_> brb in a sec
[10:30] <pygi> Laser:
[10:30] <pygi> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[10:30] <pygi> debuild: fatal error at line 1151:
[10:30] <pygi> running debsign failed
[10:30] <LaserJock> hmm :/
[10:30] <pygi> it still creates the files!!!
[10:31] <pygi> right
[10:46] <Nuffing> gah
[12:08] <ace> ping ogra
[12:09] <pygi> ace: I dont think ogra is here now :)
[12:09] <ace> pygi: ah okay
[12:10] <ace> pygi: why ?
[12:10] <pygi> ace: may anyone else help you? :)
[12:10] <ace> pygi: I just wanted some reassurance on edgy
[12:10] <ogra> i am here but way to busy finishing specs to answer questions ... probably on the weekend
[12:10] <ogra> mail me ...
[12:10] <pygi> ace: me and others can probably answer question ^_^
[12:10] <pygi> or as ogra said, mail :P
[12:10] <ace> ogra: okay good luck, I'll mail you!!!
[12:11] <ace> pygi: thanks
[12:11] <ace> pygi: did you have so many problems with edgy as I had ?
[12:11] <ace> pygi: or am i some freak of nature ?
[12:11] <pygi> ace: I dont know how much problems you had :)
[12:11] <LaserJock> I didn't have any problems, but certainly some people have
[12:12] <ace> pygi: just check the bug reports on launchpad for reported by ace at suares point an
[12:12] <ace> LaserJock: did those problems get solved or are there still issues ?
[12:13] <ace> I had OO crash on me twice since clean install of edgy - hard crash, no way out but reboot!
[12:13] <LaserJock> hmm, haven't heard of that one
[12:14] <ace> I can't use the right square bracket, but before, I couldn't use the 'p' !
[12:14] <ace> I had almost no problems with dapper ! I was quite happy.
[12:14] <ace> I upgraded to RC2 and one of my 3 screens went black (with the i810 driver).
[12:15] <ace> Then that wasn't fixed. no one seemd to know what to do, so I did a clean install
[12:15] <ace> the install couldn't mount my reiserfs /home whihc was part of a mdadm raid1 array
[12:15] <ace> I didn't know what I saw
[12:15] <ace> I was baffled
[12:16] <ace> I needed to install with a home on the root partition, install mdadm and from then on it worked fine.
[12:16] <ace> anyway
[12:16] <ace> Of course I am still very happy with ubuntu and gnu/linux in general
[12:16] <ace> but the last week have been the closest to 'windows' experience I have been in a couple of years
[12:17] <LaserJock> yeah, edgy's been somewhat odd