[12:12] <Riddell> yes, that's different
[12:13] <nixternal> but there is an ubiquity-release-notes spec now
[12:13] <Riddell> where was kwwii's image from that though?
[12:13] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/ReleaseNotes
[12:13] <nixternal> kwwii's image is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/Slideshow
[12:16] <Riddell> sorted
[12:17] <nixternal> Riddell: move release notes over to bazaar?
[12:18] <nixternal> or should we maybe look at creating a new package just for the ubiquity notes?
[12:21] <Riddell> nixternal: make them just a wiki page
[12:21] <nixternal> ok
[12:22] <Riddell> but we have three things, Release Notes, the funky release page, and known problems
[12:22] <Riddell> and I think they should all be merged
[12:22] <nixternal> need to figure out a way to merge them
[12:22] <nixternal> ya
[12:22] <Riddell> and then what do we put on kubuntu.org
[12:23] <Riddell> maybe release notes - known problems
[12:23] <Riddell> and point to the wiki page for known problems
[12:23] <nixternal> that would work out fine
[12:23] <Riddell> and ubiquity points to wiki page
[12:24] <Riddell> and ubuntu-announce post is release notes - known problems - images
[12:24] <Riddell> fancy putting that in the kubuntu-feisty-docs spec? :)
[12:25] <nixternal> i knew you were coming to that ;)
[12:25] <nixternal> i can hack up something here in a bit maybe ;)
[12:26] <nixternal> i will have it done within 24, puting it on the master todo now
[12:26] <Riddell> it doesn't need to be perfect prose, just copy and paste what I have here would be fine, just so we can refer to it in 6 months and remember
[12:27] <nixternal> yes, and i will have something to work with during those 6 months as well
[01:04] <nixternal> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/Feisty
[01:30] <shnee> im trying to use the second snapshot of kde4 but with no luck...ive added the "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.2/ ./ " repository but apt wont allow me to install kde4base-dev
[01:36] <Riddell> shnee: i386?
[01:36] <shnee> yes
[01:38] <shnee> Riddell, yes
[01:39] <Riddell> shnee: and does apt-get update work without complaining?
[01:39] <Riddell> shnee: and are you running edgy?
[01:40] <shnee> Riddell, yes and yes
[01:41] <Riddell> shnee: so what happens when you install kde4base-dev?
[01:44] <shnee> Riddell, it says that kde4base-dev depends on kde4base, kdelibs5-dev, and kdepimlibs4-dev
[01:46] <shnee> Riddell, and when I try to install all of those I jsut get more dependancy messages
[01:49] <shnee> Riddell, I seem to have gotten it to work.. I had to run sudo apt-get install kde4base kde4base-dev kdelibs5-dev kdepimlibs4-dev kdelibs5 kdepimlibs4 libqt4-core libqt4-gui libqt4-qt3support......thanks for your time
[01:51] <Riddell> shnee: maybe you had the old qt4 -kdecopy packages which we don't use any more
[01:52] <shnee> Riddell, thats probably it
[02:25] <Riddell> nixternal: I've updated that page
[02:41] <nixternal> thanks!
[08:31] <Hobbsee> !packagingguide
[08:31] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[08:32] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:32] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato 
[08:32] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee! :)
[09:08] <Hobbsee> sigh
[09:08] <Hobbsee> Hobbsee|Remote: ping?
[09:08] <Jucato> lol
[09:09] <Hobbsee> ah, it's there
[09:34] <hunger> good morning. Is there already something worth upgrading for in feisty?
[09:50] <gnomefreak> hunger: not yet
[09:51] <hunger> gnomefreak: Damn.
[09:51] <hunger> gnomefreak: it is sooooo boring not having new and exiting ways to break my system automatically downloaded and installed each morning:-)
[10:20] <Ingmar> agree hunger ;)
[10:52] <gnomefreak> hunger: go through bug reports and install apps that people have issues with and see if you can reproduce it (thats one way to break a system)
[10:53] <gnomefreak> play with beryl see if you can break it
[11:24] <hunger> gnomefreak: Nah, if I break stuff I might end up having to use launchpad. That just sucks too much to bother.
[11:24] <hunger> gnomefreak: I tend to think twice before reporting stuff I do care about there.
[11:24] <hunger> gnomefreak: And I do not have the hardware for beryl.
[11:24] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:26] <hunger> gnomefreak: And so far only security issues were fixed in edgy AFAICT, so there is no point in reporting bugs in edgy.
[11:27] <gnomefreak> hunger: they will be fixed soon. right now its strict policy for uploads but it should loosen up some soon (still has to be reviewed before upload) jus tto keep stable stable
[11:28] <hunger> gnomefreak: Just checked: Still have 13 open bugs reported in LP, that should be enough for now;-) 
[11:31] <hunger> nah, me reporting bugs in edgy is not much help. By the time some developer gets round to look at them I'll be on feisty and can not help with the fixing anymore.
[12:38] <MidMark> anyone has problem mounting dvd with one session and not closed the entire dvd?
[01:47] <jsgotangco> wow
[01:51] <MidMark> all of you haven't problems with dvd with one session and non-closed
[01:51] <MidMark> ?
[04:17] <nixternal> moins
[04:17] <abattoir> hi nixternal
[04:17] <nixternal> hiya abattoir
[04:18] <jsgotangco> hello
[04:18] <Jucato> hi nixternal!
[04:26] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:26] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[04:26] <bddebian> Hello Jucato
[04:34] <hunger> Hmmm... there is a new kdebase in feisty now... I am really tempted to upgrade now.
[04:50] <gnomefreak> hunger: its still 3.5.5
[04:51] <hunger> gnomefreak: I saw that, but it has a higher ubuntu version. It makes me itchy... something must have been fixed I need that fix:-)
[04:52] <gnomefreak> ubuntu3 instead of ubuntu2
[04:52] <gnomefreak> 4/5 or something like that. hunger not worth it the only differnece is the depends of the package nothing that you would see or notice
[04:53] <gnomefreak> !info kdebase
[04:53] <ubotu> kdebase: base components from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 45 kB, installed size 88 kB
[04:53] <gnomefreak> 3-4
[04:53] <hunger> gnomefreak: Yes! It must be better, it has a higher version number... higher numbers are better!
[04:53] <gnomefreak> most likely libc6 depends is the only thing different
[04:54] <gnomefreak> hunger: anything after ubuntu* is just control file changelog rules changes
[04:54] <hunger> gnomefreak: seriously: I saw that, I know that I will probably not notice any difference, it is just my update addiction.
[04:54] <gnomefreak> probably = you will not see a diffenernce at all
[04:55] <hunger> gnomefreak: I am aware what the debian/ubuntu version numbers imply. I know this urge to upgrade is completely irrational.
[04:55] <gnomefreak> hunger: than update but beablet o fix it if it breaks 
[04:56] <hunger> gnomefreak: I am trying to resist the temptation, not sure how long I'll manage though.
[04:58] <jdong> is feisty open for uploads?
[04:58] <jdong> I've been seeing more roll in recently
[04:58] <gnomefreak> jdong: afaik merges have started and a crap load of updates
[04:58] <gnomefreak> still waiting on the kernel though
[04:59] <gnomefreak> kde updates have been alot in last day or so
[04:59] <jdong> any devs here I can poke about ktorrent? :D
[05:47] <jonh_wendell> Hi! Who cares about knights package?
[05:49] <Riddell> jonh_wendell: what's that?
[05:49] <Riddell> mm, chess
[05:49] <Riddell> look in the changelog
[05:50] <jonh_wendell> Riddell: it's about bug 70424
[05:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70424 in knights "crashes when trying to perform castle (king/rook exchange)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70424
[05:50] <jonh_wendell> Riddell: there is a patch there
[05:52] <jonh_wendell> |joe|: look at changelog, find the maintainer, and look if he is here
[05:55] <|joe|> apparently not
[05:57] <jonh_wendell> |joe|: btw, that package is in universe, ask someone in #ubuntu-motu (or in #ubuntu-bugs), geser is a motu guy
[06:07] <Riddell> |joe|: many of us are at the ubuntu simmit just now so we are not in a poisition to make changes this week
[06:07] <Riddell> although maybe Mez will do it
[06:08] <Mez> do what
[06:08] <Riddell> upload the patch at http://launchpad.net/bugs/70424
[06:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70424 in knights "crashes when trying to perform castle (king/rook exchange)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[06:08] <Riddell> well, test first
[06:11] <Mez> I'll have a look at it tomorrow night if that's ok ?
[06:11] <|joe|> that would be great
[06:13] <|joe|> btw if i'd be interested in fixing some more bugs is it ok always to come around here and ask someone to test it/upload it?
[06:17] <Riddell> |joe|: certainly
[06:25] <shnee> im trying to get the second snapshot of kde4 and when I try to install kde4base-dev with apt it says that it depends on other packages which depends on the regular libqt4 packages....but I thought that kde4base-dev was supposed to use the libqt4-kdecopy pakages instead
[06:26] <abattoir> shnee: the second snapshots don't depend on -kdecopy versions
[06:26] <abattoir> shnee: the regular packages would do
[06:27] <shnee> abattoir, I see, thanks
[06:35] <Mez> Riddell, feel free to just poke any low hanging fruit my way while everyones at UDS ;)
[07:14] <Lure> sebas: you fix for bug 65791 does not work for me - we can check this later...
[07:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65791 in kde-guidance "DPMS timeout restored incorrectly on login" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65791
[07:16] <Mez> |joe|, uploaded to feisty
[07:18] <Mez> hmm
[07:19] <|joe|> Mez: now that was quick :) ... can you fix it for edgy as well?
[07:19] <Mez> soyuz is taking it's time to pick it up
[07:19] <Mez> |joe|, only via a backport
[07:19] <|joe|> Mez: or is this just the common way
[07:19] <|joe|> Mez: ok, i know what it is, but don't know how it works :)
[07:20] <|joe|> Mez: is there any kind of policy what can/will be backported or nor? i think this is a severe bug making the package actually unusable
[07:27] <Mez> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[07:35] <|joe|> Mez: thanks
[07:43] <Riddell> mhb: ping
[08:03] <msoeken> I think in announcement http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.2.php it should be mentioned that a new user should be used to login into the KDE 4 session
[08:03] <msoeken> Today I tried and lost all my stored passwords from kdewallet
[08:04] <nixternal> ya, that is why i did the install on a totally seperate partition, as i read a head of time the ugliness that can occur, but that is expected with pre-beta releases i guess
[08:07] <msoeken> yes, i know that was a mistake of me, but I was to nosy about it
[08:07] <msoeken> But other members should be warned on the announcement
[09:22] <jdong> sudo apt-get update
[09:22] <jdong> grr, you're not my terminal
[09:23] <Riddell> Password:
[09:24] <jdong> LOL nice try, I'm not falling for that again!
[09:25] <Riddell> Sorry, try again.
[09:25] <Riddell> Password:
[09:26] <Lure> lol
[09:29] <jdong> Riddell: btw, what's the scoop on uploads to feisty currently?
[09:36] <Riddell> jdong: it's open, you could probably even start doing merges of universe packages if you want
[09:36] <jdong> cool
[09:37] <jdong> so... would anyone like to upload bug 70529 to feisty for me?
[09:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70529 in edgy-backports "Two patches from upstream SVN" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70529
[09:38] <jdong> the attached debdiff is good only version should be -0ubuntu3.... at the time there wasn't a -ubuntu2 :D
[09:43] <Riddell> jdong: mez said he would upload stuff
[09:43] <Riddell> we're at the summit so kinday busy
[09:43] <jdong> Riddell: ok, will bug him then :D
[09:54] <fdoving> hmm..  why doesn't knetworkmanager work anymore? 
[09:55] <fdoving> doesn't work with any of my wlan cards. in dapper it used to work with atleast the bcm43xx and a 3com i don't remember the name/number/module.
[09:55] <fdoving> it simply does not find any networks. iwlist interface scan finds the networks though.
[10:31] <nixternal> fdoving: my knetworkmanager works like a charm, actually i just started using it this week...it reports a low strength though, even when i am 5 feet away from the access point
[10:31] <fdoving> I don't use it, and I don't plan to do so. But it would be nice if it was working.
[10:31] <fdoving> I just upgraded my dads kubuntu dapper to edgy.
[10:32] <fdoving> And knetworkmanager would be perfect for him.
[10:32] <nixternal> it is working here, and i like how i can switch between wifi and eth so easily now
[10:33] <fdoving> I used to use it on dapper. used to work back then.
[10:35] <fdoving> Now I've switched to wpasupplicant to handle all networks, and /etc/network/interfaces. 
[10:36] <fdoving> it's nice, because wpasupplicant connects to the network available. I just use 'ifup wldevice' and wpasupplicant handles the rest.
[10:39] <ryanakca> imbrandon: ping
[10:51] <_Sime> compiling KDE4 with CMAKE is an experiance. (a good one so far too)
[10:51] <Riddell> a colourful one?
[10:51] <nixternal> heh, i could only imagine
[10:51] <nixternal> i compiled kde4 on my slackware setup, and it was not fun at all actually
[10:51] <_Sime> Riddell: that too
[10:52] <_Sime> hypnotising.... it's like a lava lamp
[11:10] <imbrandon> ryanakca: pong
[11:11] <ryanakca> imbrandon: hey
[11:11] <imbrandon> hello
[11:11] <ryanakca> imbrandon: d'you have that info for setting up gpg in kmail?
[11:11] <ryanakca> (from that course you were going to teach a while back)...
[11:12] <imbrandon> ryanakca: not with me, i'm in moutain view right now and its at home *somewhere*
[11:12] <ryanakca> I still haven't managed to get it set up properly... 
[11:12] <ryanakca> oooh... lol
[11:12] <ryanakca> kk, when you get back could you try to find it and send it to me please?
[11:27] <nixternal> ryanakca: pinentry-qt gnupg-agent and others
[11:27] <nixternal> it is on kde.org website, google KMail & gnupg
[11:27] <ryanakca> nixternal: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_KMail_gpg-agent_kde ?
[11:28] <nixternal> no no, the kde.org website, however i never looked at that one
[11:29] <ryanakca> bbl, supper
[11:29] <ryanakca> kk, I'll look later, ty
[11:45] <ryanakca> nixternal: http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html ?
[11:45] <nixternal> thats it
[11:46] <ryanakca> kk, ty :)
[11:46] <nixternal> install all those library files it talks about
[11:46] <nixternal> and oh, reboot your computer before trying it out
[11:46] <ryanakca> kk
[11:46] <nixternal> i sat here and pulled my hair out
[11:46] <nixternal> and a reboot of all things fixed it
[11:48] <ryanakca> heh
[11:49] <ryanakca> kk... well, I have bagpipes in 10 minutes, so I guess I'll have to put it off 'till tommorow
[11:49] <ryanakca> thanks :D
[11:50] <nixternal> my neighbor was playing them earlier, and i never knew it..i love the sound of those things
[11:50] <ryanakca> lol
[11:50] <nixternal> he is scottish, which i never knew, and he loves to drink and play them ;)
[11:50] <ryanakca> yeah... have to play for remembrance day at school on friday...
[11:50] <nixternal> i knew he had an accent from always yelling at the kids around here
[11:50] <ryanakca> lol
[11:51] <ryanakca> s/... have/... I have
[11:51] <ryanakca> bbl :)
[12:03] <Hobbsee> morning all