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[High,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70828 === carlos [i=carlos@conference/ubuntuconf/x-97d27ab0a83e0e9b] has joined #launchpad [03:18] kiko-afk: you suck! [03:19] kiko-afk: if you are around, I would like to schedule a brief meeting about 'suggestions from another language' selector GET vs. POST [03:20] carlos: non-mutation should be get :) [03:21] lifeless: but not adding useless vars to the URL.... [03:21] field.alternative_language=cy&field.alternative_language-empty-marker=1&select_alternate_language=Change [03:21] vs [03:22] field.alternative_language=cy [03:22] lifeless: anyway, mpt gave me a good reason to have that as a POST [03:22] if you are translating something and decide to see suggestions for another language [03:23] if it's a GET, you lose your unsaved translations [03:23] if it's a POST, you don't === carlos -> out [03:24] more about this tomorrow.... [03:45] I don't care if it's a get or a post [03:45] but a get is a lot simpler to implement [03:45] and the post was implemented in an overly complicated way === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #launchpad === LaserLine [n=laserlin@24-205-92-248.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has joined #launchpad [04:33] I'm trying to create a key for launchpad using gpg --send-key key-id (key-id = xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx <-my key) but when I do that it says gpg: "xxxx" not a key ID: skipping [04:36] LaserLine: don't include spaces [04:39] LaserLine, the key-id can also be the shorter form [04:39] hey jamesh [04:39] how's it going [04:39] good. [04:39] looking forward to the jet lag? [04:39] are you at UDS? [04:40] not particularly [04:40] not yet. [04:40] at least I don't have to transfer inside the US ... [04:40] I'm in minnesota [04:40] but will be in SFO on sunday [04:41] looking forward to seeing you there too! [04:42] so, there is a possibility that the timezone data in Launchpad will be out of date for Western Australia on December 3rd [04:42] we may or may not be switching to daylight saving time then. [04:42] what do you mean? [04:42] haven't you decided? [04:42] the government hasn't decided yet [04:43] but they will decide before December 3rd [04:43] just like brazil in a way [04:44] actually, it looks like they have decided [04:46] the last time we had daylight saving was 1992 [04:49] wow [04:50] I did not know that! [04:50] jamesh, so pytz, does it use the system timezone information? [04:51] jamesh, if so, we need tz-brasil! [04:51] and a port of tz-brasil to tz-au or whatever [04:51] kiko: nope. But it is built from the same data (the Olsen timezone database) [04:52] that's not good [04:52] because tz-brasil doesn't know about it [04:52] kiko: when a new tzdata version is released, pytz can be updated mechanically [04:52] and that means it's already wrong for brazil. [04:52] tz-brazil? [04:53] tz-brasil [04:53] we change the dates every year [04:53] the scientists decide what day it will be [04:54] kiko: looking at pytz, Brazil/East has DST transition dates up to 2037 [04:55] all wrong [04:55] really? [04:55] of course! we don't know the dates for 2007.. let alone 2037. [04:55] they are different for almost every year [04:55] they are different every year. [04:55] how do the scientists decide? [04:56] they study their books of runes in ivory towers [04:56] haha [04:56] seriously, I have some text in portuguese [04:56] kiko: look at lib/pytz/zoneinfo/Brazil/East.py for example [04:57] so it's wrong for 2006, of course [04:57] since the date of change was 2006-11-03 [04:57] I downloaded the code of conduct did steps 1-4 to add the signature, then copy/paste the asc file, but it says No Public Key [04:58] I have no idea how that file was generated [04:58] but it wasn't by the scientists, I assure you [05:02] jamesh: http://www.mme.gov.br/site/news/detail.do;jsessionid=D3CD601767867DC7507196DEC89E75F4?newsId=10740 [05:06] kiko: in previous referendums on daylight saving, the usual complaints were brought up: It'll fade the curtains. The cows will get confused if we start milking them one hour earlier, etc. [05:06] LaserLine, what's yoour key id? [05:06] jamesh, you know my dad said he saw an interview with an old lady in the 1960s and she said it faded the curtains [05:06] I find that a fascinating answer [05:06] because you can't really argue it fades the curtains significantly more [05:06] kiko: what do you expect, if the government adds an extra hour of daylight? [05:07] the cows may get upset but only once [05:07] kiko: C8489D24E11EC63D10FC08492675B89931F93478 [05:08] eric pritchett [05:08] pleased to meet you [05:08] you too [05:08] LaserLine, can I see the file you are trying to upload? [05:08] LaserLine: so what was the exact message gpg gave you when you tried to decrypt the file? [05:08] decrypt? [05:08] oh. You [05:08] 've already done that part === jml [n=jml@dsl-210-15-195-196-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #launchpad [05:10] jamesh, about the curtains, you could argue that because days are longer people will put the curtains up for a longer period of time [05:11] kiko: I'd prefer not to have daylight saving, actually [05:11] it's less confusing [05:11] for everybody [05:11] I'm all for illogical arguments if they get DST voted down [05:11] blame the germans [05:11] but this time it is a 3 year trial [05:12] well there are some environmental benefits [05:12] but probably negligible if compared to how much we'd save if women didn't use blow dryers. [05:13] I wonder when the blow dryer was invented in fact [05:13] 1920s [05:17] jamesh, there is an interesting tie-in between DST and christmas in countries in the southern hemisphere [05:18] because industry ramps up production close to christmas [05:18] and electricity consumption is peak [05:30] kiko: so, it looks like there are a number of Brazil updates to tzdata that we're probably missing in LP's pytz [05:31] maybe we should switch all time display over to Swatch(tm) Internet Time === yleeyas [n=yleeyas@152.24.dsl.ebtech.net] has joined #launchpad [05:46] jamesh, yeah. could pytz not be made to use the system tzdata? [05:48] kiko: probably. [05:49] good answer. [05:49] well, the Python source files for each of the time zones are generated from the same data as the binary zoneinfo files libc uses [05:50] so it should be possible to get equivalent functionality by parsing the binary zoneinfo files [05:52] I guess yes [05:58] it's not a big deal but would be nice to fix. [05:58] nicer still would be a formatter based on the bug 929 work :-) [05:58] Malone bug 929 in launchpad "Long words (such as URLs) overflow columns" [Critical,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/929 [05:58] night === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad === mdz [n=mdz@209.79.152.253] has joined #launchpad [07:32] Why is it that when I cut/paste my signed Code of Conduct page it says No Public Key [07:36] LaserLine: are you pasting everything including the "-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----" and "-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----" lines? [07:36] jamesh: yes [07:37] if you run "gpg --verify filename" locally, can it verify the file? [07:38] jamesh: it says it's good === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad [07:48] LaserLine: could you paste the entire signed message at http://rafb.net/paste/ and give me the URL? [07:50] jamesh: http://rafb.net/paste/results/NujfuC91.html [07:53] gpg: Signature made Wed 08 Nov 2006 14:30:04 WST using DSA key ID A5DA148E [07:53] you haven't registered that key with Launchpad according to https://launchpad.net/people/eric-eboxstudios [07:54] so, either upload that key too, or make the signature with your 31F93478 key [07:56] you can use "gpg -u 31F93478 --clearsign codeofconduct.txt", which should select the right key [08:02] LaserLine: does that help? === jml [n=jml@ppp105-229.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad [08:10] jamesh: thanks everything worked [08:11] LaserLine: if you accidentally generated a second key, you can delete it with "gpg --delete-secret-key" [08:11] (don't do that if you are actually using the second key though) === mholthaus_ [n=mholthau@113-175.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #launchpad === Spads [n=spacehob@host-84-9-50-138.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #launchpad [08:35] Bug activity page says that I've touched bug, but I didn't. Is something weird going on? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/25786/+activity [08:35] Malone bug 25786 in kdebase "Konqueror crashes everytime when started, gives signal 11 (SIGSEGV)" [Medium,Needs info] [08:38] Jozo-: so you didn't set the bug to needs info? [08:42] jamesh: No, I haven't touch that bug at all or At least I can't remember that I've done something like that. See actual bug and those comments. There written by someone else. [08:42] Jozo-: the only thing the activity log records you doing is changing the status of the bug to needs info [08:43] Jozo-: the "status explanation" records the comment left the last time the task was updated (status, importance, milestone, assignee) [08:44] Jozo-: the other activity log entry attributed to you clears the status explanation, which is consistent with updating the task without leaving a comment [08:44] note the "old value" and "new value" column headings === Jozo [i=jozo@nelli.ikonia.fi] has joined #launchpad [08:47] jamesh: Ah, I see. My mail archives misses that somehow. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugs/2006-October/304659.html says that I've done this change. === Jozo-_ [i=jozo@viola.uninea.fi] has joined #launchpad [08:56] Bug activity page should give more information and be more clear. === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad [10:10] New bug: #70855 in launchpad "Ubuntu mirror 'Details page' reports 'one week behind' when mirror is up to date" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70855 === mholthaus [n=mholthau@113-175.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #launchpad === ddaa [n=ddaa@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === jinty [n=jinty@137.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [11:12] BjornT: ping [11:14] ddaa: a bit early for BjornT I would think [11:14] seeing as he's at the conference [11:14] ah [11:15] Bah, I'll just cowboy cscvs/partial-copy in, then. [11:15] The last review fix is a sweeping renaming, and it would be better as a separate branch, after cscvs/svn-copy-modify [11:29] ddaa: it is possible that putting pqm_branch in locations.conf didn't work for you due to section shadowing. [11:30] ddaa: the section shadowing problem is fixed in 0.12 though [11:30] ohhh [11:30] I'll try to remember to give it a try for the next merge :) === jamesh got round to submitting the fix for it [11:32] anyway, hopefully we can get the config policies stuff in for 0.13 === matsubara [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@200.181.168.60] has joined #launchpad === zwnj [n=zwnj@194.225.70.57] has joined #launchpad === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@200165128209.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #launchpad [12:53] is lp site out? [12:54] jonh_wendell: yes. the admins are checking what's going on [12:54] matsubara: thanks === stub [n=stub@38.99.84.33] has joined #launchpad [01:08] spiv: ping [01:30] SteveA: do you have a minute to check a help text I wrote ? https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileT9rYCd.html. [01:30] I think it's too long. [01:43] it may be a bit too long, but I think that's fine [01:43] leave it in, and we can trim it later once we see it in the new ui [02:03] SteveA: ok, thanks === zwnj [n=zwnj@194.225.70.57] has joined #launchpad === zwnj [n=zwnj@194.225.70.57] has joined #launchpad === fabbione [n=fabbione@vpn-nat.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [03:30] ddaa: pong [03:44] BjornT: nevermind [03:45] I just merged partial-copy, and put up a new branch with the renamings [04:02] ddaa: ok [04:08] moin [04:19] lifeless: morning [04:23] heya === lifeless -> food === zwnj [n=zwnj@194.225.70.57] has joined #launchpad === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #launchpad === mholthaus [n=mholthau@johnny33.dersbach.ch] has joined #launchpad === newz2000 [n=matt@12-216-147-124.client.mchsi.com] has joined #launchpad [05:24] I'm having a problem with staging.launchpad.net === WebMaven [n=webmaven@ip72-193-220-34.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #launchpad === Keybuk [i=scott@conference/ubuntuconf/x-ee8aea444e6bc459] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [i=seb@conference/ubuntuconf/x-edcf222fda5b45c9] has joined #launchpad === carlos [i=carlos@conference/ubuntuconf/x-1b3f671dd24984ba] has joined #launchpad === stub [i=stub@conference/ubuntuconf/x-8fa2b22c48e0b8fc] has joined #launchpad [05:55] hey! [05:55] stub the bane of cherrypicks! [05:57] hey matsubara [05:57] hi kiko [05:57] how's it going old boy [05:57] freezing up there, kiko? [05:58] what was that support tracker bug you pointed to me today? [05:58] matsubara, no... lovely today, like 12C [05:59] kiko: I didn't point it you to any support tracker bug today. they were malone and blueprint bugs. [05:59] matsubara, oh, it was a blueprint bug? can you remember the bug#? [06:00] kiko: bugs 39420 3797 [06:00] Malone bug 39420 in blueprint "Spec emails should include a footer giving the reason for the mail" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/39420 [06:00] ubugtu bug 3797 [06:00] Malone bug 3797 in malone "Bug mails should explain why the person is getting emailed." [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/3797 === fabbione [n=fabbione@vpn-nat.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad === stub [i=stub@conference/ubuntuconf/x-a72cd2e3e4f963e5] has joined #launchpad === salgado [i=salgado@conference/ubuntuconf/session] has joined #launchpad === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad [06:07] hi stub. let me know when you have 10 mins to talk about beta.lp === mdz [i=mdz@conference/ubuntuconf/x-7d777a6be7f4e39b] has joined #launchpad === malcc [i=malcolm@conference/ubuntuconf/x-9597dd432ce5278a] has joined #launchpad [06:09] kiko: I almost forgot, could you, please, take a look at https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/cprov/launchpad/trivialities/full-diff ? it was the patch done by elmo in sync-source some time ago. [06:11] sure. [06:11] Goooooooood morning launchpadders! === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad [06:16] malcc: hi, any plan to sort out the conflicts in archive-rework and its children in a short-term ? === SteveA wonders if mpt has ever seen the Robin Williams film "Good Morning Vietnam" === seb128 [i=seb@conference/ubuntuconf/x-123e03dc9a09eb14] has joined #launchpad [06:17] cprov: Sure [06:17] bzr version-info --format=python [06:18] stub: I shall add this to launchpad in general today. [06:18] SteveA: You adding that to the main Makefile, and flagging the generated file as junk? [06:18] something like that [06:18] malcc: then, what ? do you think you'll have time to fix them during the UDS ? [06:18] Cool. [06:19] then including it somewhere [06:19] cprov: Yes, I've been sorting them out regularly but maybe I forgot to sync my repo, it shouldn't take any time to fix [06:19] maybe in the page footer to start with [06:19] Just make sure it fails gracefully if bzr dies or is not installed [06:19] willdo [06:20] malcc: good, thank you, let me know when you are done, I will do the "merge dance" in devpad [06:20] SteveA: ping re beta [06:20] ta === mpt [i=mpt@conference/ubuntuconf/x-c3b74131529e381a] has joined #launchpad [06:33] cprov: Conflicts sorted === Keybuk [i=scott@conference/ubuntuconf/x-82a11a1664969fc5] has joined #launchpad === Keybuk [i=scott@conference/ubuntuconf/x-0f560d815384b12c] has joined #launchpad [06:38] malcc: thanks [06:44] lifeless: I'll add a new prebuilt tree on devpad for beta.launchpad.net [06:45] stub: ok === sivang [i=sivan@ubuntu/member/sivang] has joined #launchpad [06:53] hi [06:53] can I remove a branch from my b.l.n branches home? [06:53] I am now pusing a new one, but a new dir [06:53] and I want to remove a previous one I had [06:53] this is the one I want to remove: [06:53] not sure you can, no [06:53] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sivan/hubackup/devel-main/ [06:54] hey kiko dude [06:54] I see [06:54] and does ti still take a day as noted in the respective ddaa blog post for it to show on LP? [06:54] or can I work and continue pushing to it right away ? === mdz [i=mdz@conference/ubuntuconf/x-0f6d5819a6b42ef9] has joined #launchpad === thiagocmartinsc [n=tmartins@200.192.160.103] has joined #launchpad === mpt [i=mpt@conference/ubuntuconf/x-8db881421dfbfcfd] has joined #launchpad === j-a-meinel [n=j-a-mein@adsl-67-37-184-102.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #launchpad === seb128_ [i=seb@conference/ubuntuconf/x-317808ad8a6e22ff] has joined #launchpad [07:15] I want to rebuild Ubuntu Edgy - Server with my own packages, just like OEM provides.. but without X... [07:16] I know two solutions for creating a custom install CD, the project reconstructor and package oem-config... what is the best way to do this? [07:17] thiagocmartinsc, this is probably a question better asked in #ubuntu-devel [07:18] WOW [07:18] that was QUICK [07:19] sivang? [07:20] kiko: all details of brnach, including scanned revision are now there! [07:20] cool [07:20] sivang, ddaa's the man to thank he has put good hours into improving the branch scanner [07:20] and cscvs [07:20] ~ [07:20] and jamesh :) [07:21] thanks kiko [07:21] welcome thiagocmartinsc === carlos [i=carlos@conference/ubuntuconf/x-267449f7d2087fa5] has joined #launchpad [07:21] and the branch puller too === sivang hugs ddaa , lifeless , jamesh === salgado [i=salgado@conference/ubuntuconf/session] has joined #launchpad [07:35] New bug: #70928 in launchpad "Unable to remove package -> upstream linkage" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70928 [07:49] kiko: when are we going to be able to do bzr branch http://lp.net/products/hubackup and it shall just work? (although this can get ambigious if more then one branch are registered) [07:49] sivang, it already works. [07:49] lp.net doesn't work though [07:49] it has to be launchpad.net === newz2000 [n=matt@12-216-147-124.client.mchsi.com] has left #launchpad ["Anyone] === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [07:54] sivang: it already works for a branth page [07:54] for a series pages it picks the associated bzr branch [07:54] for a produtt page it picks the branch of the development-focus series === frsk [i=fredrik@houston.fr3drik.net] has joined #launchpad === malcc [i=malcolm@conference/ubuntuconf/x-82f9d807933b9cf8] has joined #launchpad [08:05] New bug: #70934 in launchpad "Persistent sort of table columns" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70934 [08:06] dupe === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad [08:14] ddaa: how do I set a branch to be the development focus? [08:15] kiko: I wrote lp.net as a shortcut to launchpad.net ;) [08:15] heh === carlos [i=carlos@conference/ubuntuconf/x-4c2fb1eb607b5695] has joined #launchpad === stub [i=stub@conference/ubuntuconf/x-748c7cccaa205f81] has joined #launchpad [08:23] kiko, my plan is to create a custom install CD, with my packages on it... and on ubuntu-devel I can't get help... how to put my own *.deb file into the "MY-ubuntu-6.10-server-i386.iso" [08:23] thiagocmartinsc, that's the right place to ask, though. [08:23] thiagocmartinsc, you can try #ubuntu-motu. === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #launchpad [08:25] who do I need to poke for @ubuntu.com email redirect updates? [08:25] LaserJock, #canonical-sysadmin === jbailey [i=jbailey@conference/ubuntuconf/x-e2fa893ccaf4bd7a] has joined #launchpad [08:27] Heya! Two questions. [08:27] nononono [08:27] For attaching bugs to upstream, I no longer see the option to pick an upstream bug tracker. [08:27] that can be set in the upstream product in launchpad [08:28] Can I generally expect that a random bugzilla URL will work? I wanted to go register the oss.oracle.com bugzilla in there to make sure it worked. [08:28] lifeless: It's a module in the kernel, does it support a one to many relationship? [08:28] I dunno about where the old option has gone, but if the product is configured as 'uses other bugtracker', it all hooks together magically. [08:28] BjornT: ^ ? [08:29] jbailey: if you simply provide a bugzilla URL it should work, if the bugtracker is registered in launchpad [08:30] BjornT: Right, it's that registration that I'm trying to do now. [08:30] jbailey: if it isn't registered, you will be prompted to register it [08:30] I guess I'm in the wrong place? [08:30] I thought it was done at the time that I created the link. [08:30] no, launchpad isn't that smart yet. you have to register it explicitly for now. [08:31] Ah, okay. I don't see it under https://launchpad.net/malone - Can you point me in the right direction? [08:33] jbailey, malone/bugtrackers [08:33] there's a RHS portlet [08:33] kiko: Nice, thanks. [08:33] on /malone [08:33] kiko: Oh, hmm. My CSS sheet I think hides portlets occasionally. I keep forgetting about it. [08:34] ... [08:36] kiko: I find several of the portlets annoying and real-estate consuming, so I hide them. [08:36] But I forget on the odd occasion where I'm doing something other than day-to-day use to unhide them. My bad. === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] [08:38] kiko, BjornT: Thanks. [08:38] enjoy [08:39] The second question is that linux-source-2.6.19 doesn't show up in the package list search for ubuntu. [08:39] I'm wondering if something hasn't been turned on for feisty searches in the list? [08:39] jbailey, those searches aren't very reliable [08:40] sivang: development focus of a product is a series [08:40] kiko: Ah, okay. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.19 does work. Thanks. [08:41] so you select the trunk series (it should already be the trunk series, by default) [08:41] jbailey, I need to fix them [08:41] then you select the bzr branch you want in the series/+source page [08:42] kiko: =) I just wanted to make sure there wasn't a simple switch for "display feisty in launchpad" didn't need to be flipped. === AlinuxOS [n=AlinuxOS@d81-211-247-171.cust.tele2.it] has joined #launchpad === mini [n=mini@84-217-20-40.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #launchpad [08:44] Hi, bug 3140 tells me I cannot remove an upstream tracker. [08:44] Malone bug 3140 in malone "Bug watches can't be removed" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/3140 [08:44] but can I even edit it? [08:44] I chose the wrong product... [08:45] see bug 63418 [08:45] Malone bug 63418 in bugzilla "CPU soft lockup during bootup" [Unknown,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63418 [08:45] you can edit it sure [08:45] I can't see that [08:45] I want to edit the "Product" of the bug watch, but it's not editable === AlinuxOS2 [n=AlinuxOS@d83-176-83-165.cust.tele2.it] has joined #launchpad [08:51] New bug: #70950 in rosetta "Error when a line starts with _: and have format specification" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70950 [08:55] I'm really trying to change the bug watch product. Maybe this is really a bug in malone? [08:56] mini, mark it as "none" first. [08:56] then change it [08:56] it is a bug, yes [08:56] if you could file it.. [08:56] the product should not be read-only [08:57] kiko: changing it to "none" does not help [08:58] kiko: do you have 5 minutes for me? (perhaps it will be 15...) [08:58] sure [08:59] kiko: about your change to use GET with alternative language selection [08:59] kiko: let me comment that the URL it produces suck a lot [08:59] the arguments are longer than the location URL... and it's already huge.... [08:59] mini, hmm, that's indeed a real bug. [08:59] but anyway [08:59] mini, can you reject that task and open a new one? [09:00] kiko: I talked with mpt about it and he gave me an argument about why it should be a POST instead of a GET [09:00] carlos, I know. file a bug and we'll get to it eventually [09:00] and I think lifeless agrees on it [09:00] the existing code was a disaster [09:00] we should do it properly [09:00] forwarding the form elements there is something that needs to be done anyway [09:00] because there are multiple forms there [09:00] but doing it right is non-trivial [09:01] and not a priority === mdz [i=mdz@conference/ubuntuconf/x-109e5c3419c7dab3] has joined #launchpad [09:01] kiko: it should be a POST, because otherwise we would make the users lose translations if they choose the alternative language while they are preparing a translation. [09:01] to preserve translations we'd need to have the whole page be one single form [09:01] right [09:01] carlos, yes, there's an XXX I left in the code for that. [09:01] as I said, file a bug, we don't /need/ to fix this now, as it's really not a priority [09:02] ok, so we agree we should move back to a POST there (and preserve translations, we weren't doing it before your change, I know) [09:02] ok [09:02] carlos, we can move it back to post, yes, it would be nice to preserve changes there [09:02] it's just that I saw the scary URL yesterday, while playing with my local version and I got completely scared... [09:02] but not a high pri bug by any means [09:02] kiko: sure [09:02] yeah [09:02] the URLs suck there [09:03] they actually suck more now that I did that change [09:03] because they are field.foo and field.bar [09:03] but... [09:03] carlos, there's something to consider btw [09:03] kiko: is there a way to rename it? [09:03] and that's that clicking on the zoom-in zoom-out links also loses that information [09:03] carlos, not sure, BjornT might know. [09:03] so we can use our custom name instead of the autogenerated one? [09:03] ok [09:04] I will check it with him when we look into fix it [09:04] the zoom-in and out thing is also a wart [09:04] we could have the images be post buttons [09:04] and then submit the translations too [09:04] but it'd not be a fun thing to implement :-( [09:04] I have such feature already implemented === jbailey [i=jbailey@conference/ubuntuconf/x-e2fa893ccaf4bd7a] has left #launchpad ["Digital] [09:04] to copy translations [09:05] for TranslationReview [09:05] so I think the adaptation of that code to do what you suggest for zoom buttons should be quite trivial [09:06] maybe [09:06] maybe [09:06] salgado, ping? [09:06] https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+ticket/1576 [09:06] salgado, how can that user have been emailed if he isn't active in launchpad? [09:06] salgado, via a mailing list? [09:06] crap [09:07] kiko, I cleaned my screen and lost your messages === mpt [i=mpt@conference/ubuntuconf/x-a958e0716e71c3f1] has joined #launchpad [09:07] sure [09:07] salgado, ping? [09:07] https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+ticket/1576 [09:07] salgado, how can that user have been emailed if he isn't active in launchpad? [09:07] salgado, via a mailing list? === salgado checks [09:08] salgado, also [09:08] https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-audio-art [09:08] geoff newman is a member of this team [09:08] but his account is inactive [09:08] wtf? === AlinuxOS [n=AlinuxOS@d83-184-200-167.cust.tele2.it] has joined #launchpad [09:10] New bug: #70952 in malone "LookupError when a product adopt malone as its bugtracker and that product already have bugwatches." [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70952 [09:10] kiko, what can you see at https://launchpad.net/people/geoff-newman/+editemails ? [09:14] kiko: ok, see bug 70953 [09:14] Malone bug 70953 in malone "Cannot edit "Product" of remote bug watch" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70953 [09:15] New bug: #70953 in malone "Cannot edit "Product" of remote bug watch" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70953 [09:16] kiko: I set his email address to OLD [09:18] stub, oh. why? [09:19] Because he is using some challenge response system that spams launchpad [09:19] stub, yeah, that's true. [09:19] did you contact him first? [09:20] kiko: his spam solution doesn't scale... specifically, it only works if no one you communicate with uses it. [09:20] heh [09:20] Nope. That would involve using extremely irritating challenge response systems that my mail client deletes as spam [09:20] I don't disagree [09:20] rather, it doesn't work if the other side of a conversation uses it [09:20] I'm just saying that I'd have contacted him [09:21] kiko: how - stub's email deletes his challenge as spam, so no communication is possible. [09:21] lamont, stub's email doesn't necessarily need to delete it. and he could have asked me to contact him, if that was indeed the case. [09:21] stub: this is where you say "I sent him an email informing him of the issue" :-) [09:22] kiko: he clearly doesn't want email [09:22] ... [09:22] I stopped being nice to users after my 5th year of having to support users. I changed careers after my 6th year. [09:22] :) [09:24] Eventually we will have a bounce processor that will catch these bounces and disable email addresses automatically, so we can consider my current workflow a prototype. === kiko frowns at stub and contacts the user. [09:25] kiko: make sure he understands that his spam solution is incompatible with launchpad usage.... [09:25] he may well be unaware of that, which is exactly why I'm contacting him [09:25] right [09:25] stub, is the staging db all right? [09:25] also incompatible with anyone else silly enough to use that system [09:27]