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| niktaris | cjwatson, nope. It gives "Xkblayout us" and Xkboptions lv3:ralt_switch | 12:10 |
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| niktaris | cjwatson, I was hoping to get polytonic to work on it.... | 12:14 |
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| niktaris | well I need gr(polytonic) for that but if plain gr is not working then.... | 12:14 |
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| niktaris | cjwatson, selecting greek from F2 at boot gives the same but only gr instead of us | 12:20 |
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| exarkun | I am curious about the location of some Python packages in edgy. | 12:33 |
| exarkun | What is the reasoning behind /var/lib/python-support/? | 12:34 |
| LaserJock | exarkun: it's used by the python-support package | 12:35 |
| LaserJock | to support the new Debian Python Policy | 12:35 |
| LaserJock | I'm guessing that's what you mean | 12:35 |
| LaserJock | or do you mean the specific choice of /var/lib/? | 12:35 |
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| lritter | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/63418 | 12:36 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63418 in linux-source-2.6.17 "CPU soft lockup during bootup" [Medium,Confirmed] | 12:36 |
| lritter | somebody please calm down the riot? ;) | 12:36 |
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| exarkun | LaserJock: I am curious about the specific choice of /var/lib/, yea, but mainly about the choice of something other than /usr/lib/python<version>/site-packages/ | 12:36 |
| exarkun | LaserJock: So it is based on a Debian policy change for Python packages? | 12:37 |
| LaserJock | exarkun: yes | 12:37 |
| exarkun | Alright, thanks :) | 12:37 |
| LaserJock | exarkun: the idea was to eliminate locking into a specific python version | 12:37 |
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| exarkun | That sounds like a big idea so I don't think I'll think about it too hard right now. | 12:38 |
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| LaserJock | exarkun: it's not too difficult of an idea | 12:38 |
| exarkun | btw, the reason I noticed the change at all is that python-nevow seems to be broken in the base edgy install (importing anything from it results in a traceback). | 12:38 |
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| LaserJock | exarkun: interesting, have you filed a bug report? | 12:38 |
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| LaserJock | exarkun: the idea is we used to have to provide a binary package for each supported python version for modules/extentions | 12:39 |
| LaserJock | so python2.4-* and python2.3-* | 12:39 |
| LaserJock | and python apps needed to use the default python version | 12:40 |
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| exarkun | LaserJock: I'm looking at launchpad now to see if it has been filed already. | 12:40 |
| LaserJock | with the new policy python-support and python-central byte-compile for all the python versions and keep tack of things | 12:40 |
| LaserJock | exarkun: if it's not, file it so it doesn't get lost somewhere in IRC space ;-) | 12:41 |
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| exarkun | It was. I put a "me too" on the report. :) | 12:43 |
| exarkun | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/nevow/+bug/61423 | 12:43 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 61423 in nevow "Impossible to import nevow on edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 12:43 |
| LaserJock | hmm, well I don't think it should be looking there | 12:45 |
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| pygi | sivang, ping | 01:10 |
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| TheMuso | c | 05:25 |
| Burgundavia | d | 05:27 |
| Fujitsu | e | 05:27 |
| TheMuso | I could say F followed by a particular set of three letters, but I shan't. | 05:28 |
| _ion | face? farm? fast? feet? file? film? fire? fish? five? flea? folk? font? food? fork? frog? | 05:33 |
| TheMuso | hahahaha | 05:39 |
| TheMuso | Yep, one of those. :) | 05:39 |
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| slomo | keescook: just FYI, the avahi package i uploaded yesterday will add the ipv4ll routes and installs itself as dhclient plugin that is used when dhcp gives no ip | 06:02 |
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| lotusleaf | Any plans for clamav to move up to 0.88.6 in Edgy? I hear there was a security related issue that was fixed re: 0.88.5. I build clamav myself every version, so personally I don't care, I'm just curious about the other folks who can't or don't build for themselves and use the repos. | 06:29 |
| lotusleaf | And at present 0.88.4 is in the repos | 06:29 |
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| siretart | uuh, new nvidia binary driver just released. now with GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap support.. | 09:49 |
| siretart | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=79719 | 09:49 |
| Burgundavia | siretart: that means that it works with AIGLX? | 09:49 |
| siretart | Burgundavia: seems pretty close to the previous 'beta' releases | 09:50 |
| Burgundavia | right | 09:50 |
| Burgundavia | except for a whole "nvidia vs disclosure" thing, I am almost pleased | 09:51 |
| siretart | the main difference seems that this release seems to be meant for 'production use'. (whatever that means) | 09:51 |
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| pygi | siretart, since you are involved in cdrecord packaging, why not be in #u-burning | 10:10 |
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| siretart | pygi: I'm not involved in cdrecord packaging. I considered it when the cdrkit fork started, though | 10:17 |
| pygi | siretart, right, but still you should get involved with ubuntu burning team :) | 10:18 |
| pygi | sec siretart :) | 10:18 |
| pygi | siretart, http://pygi.pykix.net/?p=21 | 10:18 |
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| Burgundavia | pygi: what is wrong with cdrkit? | 10:20 |
| pygi | Burgundavia, won't comment on that, sorry :) | 10:20 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 10:20 |
| Burgundavia | there is a real danger right now that every distro will got their own way with burning | 10:21 |
| Burgundavia | which is bad | 10:21 |
| Burgundavia | ie: start talking to debian pygi | 10:21 |
| Burgundavia | :) | 10:21 |
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| pygi | Burgundavia, ie: I tried? :) | 10:21 |
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| Burgundavia | ah | 10:21 |
| pygi | Burgundavia, most of cdrkit people refuse to listen to any sane advice | 10:22 |
| Burgundavia | too bad :( | 10:22 |
| pygi | true :( | 10:22 |
| pygi | Burgundavia, and the thing is that this issue will have to be resolved during feisty cycle | 10:24 |
| pygi | at least a provisional solution, but it'll have to be solved | 10:24 |
| pygi | and I know what I'll suggest, if anyone will be willing to listen | 10:25 |
| siretart | pygi: don't get me wrong, I'm of course very interested in improving the mess of cdburning in ubuntu and debian | 10:36 |
| siretart | pygi: however, I'm currently busy as hell with my thesis, and I don't think I can spend much time in the ubuntu-burning team | 10:37 |
| siretart | pygi: I'll consider joining you next year, okay? | 10:37 |
| pygi | siretart, I know you are busy, don't worry :) | 10:39 |
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| khajjak | how i play mp3 files in ubuntu? any one help me plz | 11:09 |
| gnomefreak | khajjak: ask in #ubuntu this is not a support channel | 11:10 |
| khajjak | ubuntu is no such channel sir ? | 11:11 |
| Fujitsu | khajjak: Type /join #ubuntu | 11:11 |
| khajjak | oh ok | 11:11 |
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| niktaris | cjwatson, ping | 11:16 |
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| toresbe | Is the conf in Mt. View still going on? | 11:43 |
| neuralis | toresbe: yes. | 11:44 |
| toresbe | neuralis: Neat. You there? | 11:50 |
| neuralis | yeah. | 11:50 |
| toresbe | neat - you should tell the guys that they might want to check out the Computer History Museum in Mt. View - just down the street from Googleplex | 11:51 |
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| toresbe | I miss it... :) | 11:56 |
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| gnomefreak | neuralis: go back to bed its too early there to do anything ;) | 12:04 |
| gnomefreak | its like 2 or 3 am there | 12:04 |
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| tarzeau | where can i find a person who maintains the ubuntu package that i get bug reports about? | 12:41 |
| tarzeau | i maintain it in debian, and it works perfect for me, but ubuntu removes files and makes the software not work anymore | 12:41 |
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| tarzeau | this is really annoying to me, because i have no chance to fix bugs in ubuntu | 12:43 |
| tarzeau | when i went to motu botu thingy they told me it makes no sense to create packages for ubuntu and then later debian | 12:44 |
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| Hobbsee | tarzeau: which package? | 12:49 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: -motu | 12:49 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 12:49 |
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| sivang | hi all | 01:32 |
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| LockUp | I need free program to export ODT or DOC files to PDF/X-1a. What do you propose? | 01:54 |
| giftnudel | hi sivang, do you have some time at the moment? (doesn't have to be a lot) | 01:54 |
| Chipzz_ | first of all, this is not a support channel | 01:54 |
| jsgotangco | well I'm no PDF expert but doesn't OOo already do that | 01:54 |
| Chipzz_ | second, dunnow if there's a better way, but printing to a file should produce a .ps, which you can convert to .pdf | 01:54 |
| LockUp | okay | 01:55 |
| giftnudel | openoffice can export to a pdf directly | 01:55 |
| LockUp | so I have some propositions to make Ubuntu good to desktop and easier for users :) | 01:55 |
| LockUp | 1. Easier access to root (wait for more info). | 01:57 |
| LockUp | a) remember password for this session - system won't ask user for root password until he will logoff | 01:58 |
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| jsgotangco | LockUp: dude, you are better off filing a bug or a spec for next release..an irc channel is pretty "chatty" for suggestions and can easily get bypassed | 01:58 |
| Chipzz_ | LockUp: that would actually be a security problem | 01:58 |
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| LockUp | b) if i want to get access to root, I must use SUDO command. It isn't so good for easy using and configuration. | 01:58 |
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| giftnudel | hmm, I got kicked out from my vpn ... | 01:59 |
| _ion | I don't see what's the problem with the sudo command. | 02:00 |
| LockUp | So it should be a option in context menu (right button of mouse) - "Open ... as..." | 02:00 |
| Hobbsee | it already is, in kde at least | 02:00 |
| Hobbsee | in konq | 02:01 |
| jsgotangco | in konqeuror | 02:01 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 02:01 |
| LockUp | but in Gnome - Ubuntu? | 02:01 |
| Hobbsee | how the hell is pingus 10mb??? ouch! | 02:01 |
| jsgotangco | well bug gnome :) | 02:01 |
| LockUp | The next - installation program. Packages aren't so configurative. If it's a bigger program, it should have a installator - reading a licence, choosing components, choosing shortcuts, etc... | 02:02 |
| LockUp | I propose to create a installation system in Ubuntu. | 02:02 |
| jsgotangco | LockUp: dude? | 02:02 |
| LockUp | Think about it. \away | 02:03 |
| jsgotangco | in an irc channel? good luck, noise comes here so fast chat logs easily get filled up and your suggestions will just go to waste like i said, irc is not the proper forum for suggestions | 02:04 |
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| _ion | Yeah, i definitely want to read GPL every time i install a new program. | 02:08 |
| Hobbsee | jsgotangco: has there been more talk of smart in this UDS? i ahvent followed terribly closely | 02:08 |
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| giftnudel | _ion: the way openoffice does it, forcing you to even scroll down the license ... | 02:09 |
| jsgotangco | i haven't the foggiest either, but smart seems to work well at the moment, but not something to really replace our stuff | 02:10 |
| _ion | giftnudel: Yeah, that's very userfriendly. | 02:10 |
| jsgotangco | i would say improve g-a-i for intuitiveness further and people won't even notice that its smart or what | 02:10 |
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| Hobbsee | jsgotangco: true that | 02:17 |
| jsgotangco | we need the powers of glatzor and mvo! | 02:19 |
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| giskard | how i can install the complete *vim*? | 03:58 |
| minghua | giskard: install vim-full. and that question belongs to #ubuntu | 04:00 |
| Huahua | giskard: sudo apt-get install vim-full | 04:00 |
| Chipzz_ | *vim* even :) | 04:01 |
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| mjg59 | Uh. | 04:08 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 04:25 |
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| aktiwers | Is it possible to get help with Java Programming here? I doing a project on my school and I am really stuck! But again its not really Ubuntu related | 05:01 |
| jdong | no... it's not possible to get any kind of programming help here... | 05:02 |
| jdong | this is the developers' work room :) | 05:02 |
| aktiwers | Ok thanks.. and sorry. Let me instead tell that I love you guys work! Keep it up! :) | 05:02 |
| aktiwers | Can you maybe point me to a place where I can get help with Java Programming before I leave? | 05:03 |
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| jdong | I have no idea :D | 05:04 |
| _ion | Uh, #java? | 05:04 |
| Spads | ##java, even | 05:04 |
| aktiwers | Thanks a lot :) See ya guys! | 05:04 |
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| mailer | Hi, will report this to -bugs channels ... cannot see bug files with launchpad --- evince 0.6.1 shipped with edgy wont print in landscape | 06:25 |
| mailer | evince irc channel lets us know the issue (possibly others) fixed in source and there was talk of a new release soon. ANything else I should do? | 06:25 |
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| Chipzz | mailer: 1) this is not the right place for bug reports 2) edgy in general won't get any new upstream versions, unless severe bugs are fixed, and I doubt your bug classifies as "severe", so the chances of getting it in are slim | 06:56 |
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| cjwatson | Chipzz: let the stable release updates team decide that, please :) | 07:01 |
| Chipzz | cjwatson: just giving an educated guess ;) | 07:01 |
| bhale | Chipzz: possible reasons for SRU include "major regressions from the previous release" | 07:02 |
| === Mez sighs | ||
| Mez | I'm still waiting for approval on an SRU | 07:03 |
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| cjwatson | Chipzz: well, it doesn't sound obvious to me that we would turn it down (and I'm on the SRU team ...) | 07:04 |
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| seb128 | as the evince maintainer I think I will rather do an update with the patch backported than asking for a new version approval | 07:06 |
| Chipzz | in that case, ignore what I just said | 07:06 |
| cjwatson | seb128: *nod*, sane | 07:07 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:cjwatson] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with feisty) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Edgy is released | ||
| cjwatson | (topicdiff: remove "edgy ... or" from the "not support" bit) | 07:13 |
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| thiagocmartinsc | Hi ! | 07:25 |
| thiagocmartinsc | I want to rebuild Ubuntu Edgy - Server with my own packages, just like OEM provides.. but without X... | 07:25 |
| thiagocmartinsc | I know two solutions for creating a custom install CD, the project reconstructor and package oem-config... what is the best way to do this? | 07:25 |
| Burgwork | thiagocmartinsc: what are you planning to do with it? | 07:25 |
| thiagocmartinsc | Burgwork, my plan is to create a custom install CD, with my packages on it... but is for server side... | 07:27 |
| thiagocmartinsc | I don't need entire X on the server... | 07:27 |
| Burgwork | thiagocmartinsc: just for yourself? then I would checkout kickstart | 07:27 |
| Burgwork | or fai | 07:27 |
| thiagocmartinsc | kickstart? | 07:28 |
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| thiagocmartinsc | Burgwork, you talk about this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KickstartCompatibility | 07:32 |
| Burgwork | thiagocmartinsc: yep | 07:33 |
| thiagocmartinsc | thats nice! thanks! | 07:33 |
| Burgwork | no worries | 07:33 |
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| thiagocmartinsc | what's will happen after I reconfigure my system and run "sudo oem-config-prepare" ? :-P | 07:35 |
| Burgwork | no idea | 07:35 |
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| thiagocmartinsc | hauhAUHa... :-D no problem... | 07:36 |
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| thiagocmartinsc | Burgwork, I see that this KickStart is just for auto-answer some questions... but how to put my own *.deb file into the "MY-ubuntu-6.10-server-i386.iso" ... | 08:04 |
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| thiagocmartinsc | I see that this KickStart is just for auto-answer some questions... but how to put my own *.deb file into the "MY-ubuntu-6.10-server-i386.iso" ... | 08:37 |
| thiagocmartinsc | ? | 08:37 |
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| thiagocmartinsc | hellouw! | 08:48 |
| thiagocmartinsc | anyone can help me!? | 08:49 |
| LaserJock | thiagocmartinsc: you want to add .debs to the Ubuntu Desktop .iso? | 08:49 |
| thiagocmartinsc | :-P | 08:49 |
| thiagocmartinsc | nop.,.. | 08:49 |
| thiagocmartinsc | I don't need X | 08:49 |
| thiagocmartinsc | I want to rebuild Server install CD... with my package | 08:49 |
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| thiagocmartinsc | I trying oem-config package... but ins't what I want... | 08:50 |
| thiagocmartinsc | I see project reconstructor... but is for recreating Desktop iso... | 08:50 |
| thiagocmartinsc | I see Kickstart but isn't for recreating Ubuntu Server iso... | 08:51 |
| sbalneav | thiagocmartinsc: http://uck.sourceforge.net/ | 08:51 |
| LaserJock | thiagocmartinsc: perhaps look at the alternatecd customization stuff | 08:51 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: uck only does livecds | 08:52 |
| LaserJock | as far as I know | 08:52 |
| sbalneav | ah | 08:52 |
| LaserJock | thiagocmartinsc: check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization | 08:54 |
| thiagocmartinsc | and what about this: http://reconstructor.aperantis.com ? | 08:56 |
| thiagocmartinsc | is for Desktop... right ?! | 08:56 |
| thiagocmartinsc | anyone knows? | 08:56 |
| thiagocmartinsc | ouw! I think this InstallCDCustomization will help | 08:57 |
| thiagocmartinsc | :-D | 08:57 |
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| lifeless | doko: ping | 09:45 |
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| DerekS | ping mdke_ | 09:56 |
| niktaris | tarzeau, on the live cd how are the files /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow created? Are they copied from somewhere ? | 09:57 |
| niktaris | on the live cd how are the files /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow created? Are they copied from somewhere ? | 09:57 |
| niktaris | sorry tarzeau. not (only) too you | 09:57 |
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| mdke_ | DerekS: pong | 10:22 |
| psusi | I believe they are created at boot time | 10:23 |
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| DerekS | mdke_: thanks for your blog post on SA.... it was really helpful | 10:43 |
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| mdke_ | DerekS: :) one of the support people recommended it to me when I whinged about the junk filtering. Great guide huh | 10:46 |
| mdke_ | glad to spread the love | 10:46 |
| DerekS | yeah, its great how i don't have to filter everyone's email (only my own).. and imho, SA has always been the best | 10:47 |
| DerekS | anyways, just wanted to say thanks :) | 10:48 |
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| cjwatson | niktaris: I'm at this conference and latency is extremely high. Please mail me rather than pinging me on IRC | 11:25 |
| niktaris | cjwatson, ok | 11:26 |
| cjwatson | niktaris: /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow are created during installation of base-passwd during the live CD build process. user-setup is run by casper to add the ubuntu user to them | 11:26 |
| niktaris | cjwatson, I just though that maybe the problem with the greek keyboard is releated to a bug in xserver-xorg (in etch at least) | 11:27 |
| niktaris | I;ll try and let you know | 11:27 |
| cjwatson | niktaris: right, I'm not around reliably enough at the moment to help with that on IRC | 11:27 |
| cjwatson | (and I'm nowhere near my usual test rig and therefore can't just try it) | 11:28 |
| niktaris | cjwatson, I understand. np | 11:28 |
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| jdong | cjwatson: ping | 11:37 |
| jdong | cjwatson: out of curiousity, do you have the source for the script you use to generate backports source packages? | 11:37 |
| cjwatson | jdong: Please tell me what you want and I'll reply when I'm around. | 11:37 |
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| cjwatson | jdong: I'm afraid I can't give it out - too much in the way of Launchpad internals in there | 11:40 |
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| jdong | cjwatson: can you answer some non-sensitive questions about it though? | 11:40 |
| jdong | cjwatson: namely, what's being used to mangle the version and generate the .dsc file for it? | 11:41 |
| jdong | cjwatson: I'm basically trying to write my own version of it for an automated backporting script, but my version is quite imperfect | 11:41 |
| jdong | it uses dch, then pdebuild | 11:41 |
| jdong | but for that to work some build deps, like cdbs, have to be installed on the host machine | 11:42 |
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| cjwatson | jdong: you're nearly there - mine prepends to the changelog manually in python (although dch should be OK too, if you use -b), and then uses 'dpkg-source -b package-version' in the parent directory and 'dpkg-genchanges -S -sa' in the build directory | 11:48 |
| cjwatson | that avoids having to run the clean target | 11:48 |
| cjwatson | os.chdir("..") | 11:49 |
| cjwatson | spawn_get_output(["dpkg-source", "-b", "%s-%s" % (pkg, upstream_version)] ) | 11:49 |
| cjwatson | os.chdir("%s-%s" % (pkg, upstream_version)) | 11:49 |
| cjwatson | changes = spawn_get_output(["dpkg-genchanges", "-S", "-sa"] , | 11:49 |
| cjwatson | stderr_with_stdout=False) | 11:49 |
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| jdong | cjwatson: ooh, thanks, I'll try that | 11:51 |
| jdong | I was considering using --use-internal-pdebuild | 11:51 |
| jdong | which works too, though I'm not clear how much "risk" this poses to the build host | 11:51 |
| cjwatson | I'd stick to lower-level tools | 11:53 |
| jdong | cjwatson: ok, thanks. dpkg-source -b is the magical command I was missing | 11:53 |
| jdong | thanks for your time | 11:54 |
| cjwatson | it's basically an exceedingly careful wrapper around tar :) | 11:54 |
| cjwatson | np | 11:54 |
| Fujitsu | cjwatson: Can I convince you to let gcl into dapper-proposed? | 11:56 |
| cjwatson | Fujitsu: will have to be a bit later, I'm afraid ... about to go and talk about ubiquity driver updates | 11:57 |
| Fujitsu | OK, no problem. | 11:57 |
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| mirak | hi | 12:07 |
| mirak | when I run mythtv-backend script, a --verbose is happened at the end | 12:08 |
| mirak | where does it come from ?? | 12:08 |
| _ion | Please see the topic. | 12:09 |
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