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[12:10] <niktaris> cjwatson, nope. It gives "Xkblayout us" and Xkboptions lv3:ralt_switch
[12:14] <niktaris> cjwatson, I was hoping to get polytonic to work on it....
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[12:14] <niktaris> well I need gr(polytonic) for that but if plain gr is not working then....
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[12:20] <niktaris> cjwatson, selecting greek from F2 at boot gives the same but only gr instead of us
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[12:33] <exarkun> I am curious about the location of some Python packages in edgy.
[12:34] <exarkun> What is the reasoning behind /var/lib/python-support/?
[12:35] <LaserJock> exarkun: it's used by the python-support package
[12:35] <LaserJock> to support the new Debian Python Policy
[12:35] <LaserJock> I'm guessing that's what you mean
[12:35] <LaserJock> or do you mean the specific choice of /var/lib/?
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[12:36] <lritter> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/63418
[12:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63418 in linux-source-2.6.17 "CPU soft lockup during bootup" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[12:36] <lritter> somebody please calm down the riot? ;)
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[12:36] <exarkun> LaserJock: I am curious about the specific choice of /var/lib/, yea, but mainly about the choice of something other than /usr/lib/python<version>/site-packages/
[12:37] <exarkun> LaserJock: So it is based on a Debian policy change for Python packages?
[12:37] <LaserJock> exarkun: yes
[12:37] <exarkun> Alright, thanks :)
[12:37] <LaserJock> exarkun: the idea was to eliminate locking into a specific python version
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[12:38] <exarkun> That sounds like a big idea so I don't think I'll think about it too hard right now.
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[12:38] <LaserJock> exarkun: it's not too difficult of an idea
[12:38] <exarkun> btw, the reason I noticed the change at all is that python-nevow seems to be broken in the base edgy install (importing anything from it results in a traceback).
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[12:38] <LaserJock> exarkun: interesting, have you filed a bug report?
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[12:39] <LaserJock> exarkun: the idea is we used to have to  provide a binary package for each supported python version for modules/extentions
[12:39] <LaserJock> so python2.4-* and python2.3-*
[12:40] <LaserJock> and python apps needed to use the default python version
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[12:40] <exarkun> LaserJock: I'm looking at launchpad now to see if it has been filed already.
[12:40] <LaserJock> with the new policy python-support and python-central byte-compile for all the python versions and keep tack of things
[12:41] <LaserJock> exarkun: if it's not, file it so it doesn't get lost somewhere in IRC space ;-)
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[12:43] <exarkun> It was.  I put a "me too" on the report. :)
[12:43] <exarkun> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/nevow/+bug/61423
[12:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61423 in nevow "Impossible to import nevow on edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[12:45] <LaserJock> hmm, well I don't think it should be looking there
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[01:10] <pygi> sivang, ping
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[05:25] <TheMuso> c
[05:27] <Burgundavia> d
[05:27] <Fujitsu> e
[05:28] <TheMuso> I could say F followed by a particular set of three letters, but I shan't.
[05:33] <_ion> face? farm? fast? feet? file? film? fire? fish? five? flea? folk? font? food? fork? frog?
[05:39] <TheMuso> hahahaha
[05:39] <TheMuso> Yep, one of those. :)
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[06:02] <slomo> keescook: just FYI, the avahi package i uploaded yesterday will add the ipv4ll routes and installs itself as dhclient plugin that is used when dhcp gives no ip
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[06:29] <lotusleaf> Any plans for clamav to move up to 0.88.6 in Edgy? I hear there was a security related issue that was fixed re: 0.88.5. I build clamav myself every version, so personally I don't care, I'm just curious about the other folks who can't or don't build for themselves and use the repos.
[06:29] <lotusleaf> And at present 0.88.4 is in the repos
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[09:49] <siretart> uuh, new nvidia binary driver just released. now with GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap support..
[09:49] <siretart> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=79719
[09:49] <Burgundavia> siretart: that means that it works with AIGLX?
[09:50] <siretart> Burgundavia: seems pretty close to the previous 'beta' releases
[09:50] <Burgundavia> right
[09:51] <Burgundavia> except for a whole "nvidia vs disclosure" thing, I am almost pleased
[09:51] <siretart> the main difference seems that this release seems to be meant for 'production use'. (whatever that means)
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[10:10] <pygi> siretart, since you are involved in cdrecord packaging, why not be in #u-burning
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[10:17] <siretart> pygi: I'm not involved in cdrecord packaging. I considered it when the cdrkit fork started, though
[10:18] <pygi> siretart, right, but still you should get involved with ubuntu burning team :)
[10:18] <pygi> sec siretart :)
[10:18] <pygi> siretart, http://pygi.pykix.net/?p=21
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[10:20] <Burgundavia> pygi: what is wrong with cdrkit?
[10:20] <pygi> Burgundavia, won't comment on that, sorry :)
[10:20] <Burgundavia> ok
[10:21] <Burgundavia> there is a real danger right now that every distro will got their own way with burning
[10:21] <Burgundavia> which is bad
[10:21] <Burgundavia> ie: start talking to debian pygi
[10:21] <Burgundavia> :)
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[10:21] <pygi> Burgundavia, ie: I tried? :)
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[10:21] <Burgundavia> ah
[10:22] <pygi> Burgundavia, most of cdrkit people refuse to listen to any sane advice
[10:22] <Burgundavia> too bad :(
[10:22] <pygi> true :(
[10:24] <pygi> Burgundavia, and the thing is that this issue will have to be resolved during feisty cycle
[10:24] <pygi> at least a provisional solution, but it'll have to be solved
[10:25] <pygi> and I know what I'll suggest, if anyone will be willing to listen
[10:36] <siretart> pygi: don't get me wrong, I'm of course very interested in improving the mess of cdburning in ubuntu and debian
[10:37] <siretart> pygi: however, I'm currently busy as hell with my thesis, and I don't think I can spend much time in the ubuntu-burning team
[10:37] <siretart> pygi: I'll consider joining you next year, okay?
[10:39] <pygi> siretart, I know you are busy, don't worry :)
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[11:09] <khajjak> how i play mp3 files in ubuntu? any one help me plz
[11:10] <gnomefreak> khajjak: ask in #ubuntu this is not a support channel
[11:11] <khajjak> ubuntu is no such channel sir ?
[11:11] <Fujitsu> khajjak: Type /join #ubuntu
[11:11] <khajjak> oh ok
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[11:16] <niktaris> cjwatson, ping
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[11:43] <toresbe> Is the conf in Mt. View still going on?
[11:44] <neuralis> toresbe: yes.
[11:50] <toresbe> neuralis: Neat. You there?
[11:50] <neuralis> yeah.
[11:51] <toresbe> neat - you should tell the guys that they might want to check out the Computer History Museum in Mt. View - just down the street from Googleplex
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[11:56] <toresbe> I miss it... :)
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[12:04] <gnomefreak> neuralis: go back to bed its too early there to do anything ;)
[12:04] <gnomefreak> its like 2 or 3 am there
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[12:41] <tarzeau> where can i find a person who maintains the ubuntu package that i get bug reports about?
[12:41] <tarzeau> i maintain it in debian, and it works perfect for me, but ubuntu removes files and makes the software not work anymore
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[12:43] <tarzeau> this is really annoying to me, because i have no chance to fix bugs in ubuntu
[12:44] <tarzeau> when i went to motu botu thingy they told me it makes no sense to create packages for ubuntu and then later debian
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[12:49] <Hobbsee> tarzeau: which package?
[12:49] <StevenK> Hobbsee: -motu
[12:49] <Hobbsee> ah
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[01:32] <sivang> hi all
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[01:54] <LockUp> I need free program to export ODT or DOC files to PDF/X-1a. What do you propose?
[01:54] <giftnudel> hi sivang, do you have some time at the moment? (doesn't have to be a lot)
[01:54] <Chipzz_> first of all, this is not a support channel
[01:54] <jsgotangco> well I'm no PDF expert but doesn't OOo already do that
[01:54] <Chipzz_> second, dunnow if there's a better way, but printing to a file should produce a .ps, which you can convert to .pdf
[01:55] <LockUp> okay
[01:55] <giftnudel> openoffice can export to a pdf directly
[01:55] <LockUp> so I have some propositions to make Ubuntu good to desktop and easier for users :)
[01:57] <LockUp> 1. Easier access to root (wait for more info).
[01:58] <LockUp> a) remember password for this session - system won't ask user for root password until he will logoff
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[01:58] <jsgotangco> LockUp: dude, you are better off filing a bug or a spec for next release..an irc channel is pretty "chatty" for suggestions and can easily get bypassed
[01:58] <Chipzz_> LockUp: that would actually be a security problem
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[01:58] <LockUp> b) if i want to get access to root, I must use SUDO command. It isn't so good for easy using and configuration.
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[01:59] <giftnudel> hmm, I got kicked out from my vpn ...
[02:00] <_ion> I don't see what's the problem with the sudo command.
[02:00] <LockUp> So it should be a option in context menu (right button of mouse) - "Open ... as..."
[02:00] <Hobbsee> it already is, in kde at least
[02:01] <Hobbsee> in konq
[02:01] <jsgotangco> in konqeuror
[02:01] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:01] <LockUp> but in Gnome - Ubuntu?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> how the hell is pingus 10mb???    ouch!
[02:01] <jsgotangco> well bug gnome :)
[02:02] <LockUp> The next - installation program. Packages aren't so configurative. If it's a bigger program, it should have a installator - reading a licence, choosing components, choosing shortcuts, etc...
[02:02] <LockUp> I propose to create a installation system in Ubuntu.
[02:02] <jsgotangco> LockUp: dude?
[02:03] <LockUp> Think about it. \away
[02:04] <jsgotangco> in an irc channel? good luck, noise comes here so fast chat logs easily get filled up and your suggestions will just go to waste like i said, irc is not the proper forum for suggestions
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[02:08] <_ion> Yeah, i definitely want to read GPL every time i install a new program.
[02:08] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: has there been more talk of smart in this UDS?  i ahvent followed terribly closely
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[02:09] <giftnudel> _ion: the way openoffice does it, forcing you to even scroll down the license ...
[02:10] <jsgotangco> i haven't the foggiest either, but smart seems to work well at the moment, but not something to really replace our stuff
[02:10] <_ion> giftnudel: Yeah, that's very userfriendly.
[02:10] <jsgotangco> i would say improve g-a-i for intuitiveness further and people won't even notice that its smart or what
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[02:17] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: true that
[02:19] <jsgotangco> we need the powers of glatzor and mvo!
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[03:58] <giskard> how i can install the complete *vim*?
[04:00] <minghua> giskard: install vim-full.  and that question belongs to #ubuntu
[04:00] <Huahua> giskard: sudo apt-get install vim-full
[04:01] <Chipzz_> *vim* even :)
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[04:08] <mjg59> Uh.
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[04:25] <bddebian> Howdy
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[05:01] <aktiwers> Is it possible to get help with Java Programming here? I doing a project on my school and I am really stuck! But again its not really Ubuntu related 
[05:02] <jdong> no... it's not possible to get any kind of programming help here...
[05:02] <jdong> this is the developers' work room :)
[05:02] <aktiwers> Ok thanks..  and sorry. Let me instead tell that I love you guys work! Keep it up! :)
[05:03] <aktiwers> Can you maybe point me to a place where I can get help with Java Programming before I leave?
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[05:04] <jdong> I have no idea :D
[05:04] <_ion> Uh, #java?
[05:04] <Spads> ##java, even
[05:04] <aktiwers> Thanks a lot :) See ya guys!
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[06:25] <mailer> Hi, will report this to -bugs channels ... cannot see bug files with launchpad --- evince 0.6.1 shipped with edgy wont print in landscape
[06:25] <mailer> evince irc channel lets us  know the issue (possibly others) fixed in source and there was talk of a new release soon. ANything else I should do?
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[06:56] <Chipzz> mailer: 1) this is not the right place for bug reports 2) edgy in general won't get any new upstream versions, unless severe bugs are fixed, and I doubt your bug classifies as "severe", so the chances of getting it in are slim
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[07:01] <cjwatson> Chipzz: let the stable release updates team decide that, please :)
[07:01] <Chipzz> cjwatson: just giving an educated guess ;)
[07:02] <bhale> Chipzz: possible reasons for SRU include "major regressions from the previous release"
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[07:03] <Mez> I'm still waiting for approval on an SRU
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[07:04] <cjwatson> Chipzz: well, it doesn't sound obvious to me that we would turn it down (and I'm on the SRU team ...)
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[07:06] <seb128> as the evince maintainer I think I will rather do an update with the patch backported than asking for a new version approval
[07:06] <Chipzz> in that case, ignore what I just said
[07:07] <cjwatson> seb128: *nod*, sane
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:cjwatson] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with feisty) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Edgy is released
[07:13] <cjwatson> (topicdiff: remove "edgy ... or" from the "not support" bit)
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[07:25] <thiagocmartinsc> Hi !
[07:25] <thiagocmartinsc> I want to rebuild Ubuntu Edgy - Server with my own packages, just like OEM provides.. but without X...
[07:25] <thiagocmartinsc> I know two solutions for creating a custom install CD, the project reconstructor and package oem-config... what is the best way to do this?
[07:25] <Burgwork> thiagocmartinsc: what are you planning to do with it?
[07:27] <thiagocmartinsc> Burgwork, my plan is to create a custom install CD, with my packages on it... but is for server side...
[07:27] <thiagocmartinsc> I don't need entire X on the server...
[07:27] <Burgwork> thiagocmartinsc: just for yourself? then I would checkout kickstart
[07:27] <Burgwork> or fai
[07:28] <thiagocmartinsc> kickstart?
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[07:32] <thiagocmartinsc> Burgwork, you talk about this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KickstartCompatibility
[07:33] <Burgwork> thiagocmartinsc: yep
[07:33] <thiagocmartinsc> thats nice! thanks!
[07:33] <Burgwork> no worries
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[07:35] <thiagocmartinsc> what's will happen after I reconfigure my system and run "sudo oem-config-prepare"  ?  :-P
[07:35] <Burgwork> no idea
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[07:36] <thiagocmartinsc> hauhAUHa...   :-D   no problem...
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[08:04] <thiagocmartinsc> Burgwork, I see that this KickStart is just for auto-answer some questions... but how to put my own *.deb file into the "MY-ubuntu-6.10-server-i386.iso"   ...
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[08:37] <thiagocmartinsc>  I see that this KickStart is just for auto-answer some questions... but how to put my own *.deb file into the "MY-ubuntu-6.10-server-i386.iso"   ...
[08:37] <thiagocmartinsc> ?
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[08:48] <thiagocmartinsc> hellouw!
[08:49] <thiagocmartinsc> anyone can help me!?
[08:49] <LaserJock> thiagocmartinsc: you want to add .debs to the Ubuntu Desktop .iso?
[08:49] <thiagocmartinsc> :-P
[08:49] <thiagocmartinsc> nop.,..
[08:49] <thiagocmartinsc> I don't need X
[08:49] <thiagocmartinsc> I want to rebuild Server install CD... with my package
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[08:50] <thiagocmartinsc> I trying oem-config package... but ins't what I want...
[08:50] <thiagocmartinsc> I see project reconstructor... but is for recreating Desktop iso...
[08:51] <thiagocmartinsc> I see Kickstart but isn't for recreating Ubuntu Server iso...
[08:51] <sbalneav> thiagocmartinsc: http://uck.sourceforge.net/
[08:51] <LaserJock> thiagocmartinsc: perhaps look at the alternatecd customization stuff
[08:52] <LaserJock> sbalneav: uck only does livecds
[08:52] <LaserJock> as far as I know
[08:52] <sbalneav> ah
[08:54] <LaserJock> thiagocmartinsc: check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[08:56] <thiagocmartinsc> and what about this: http://reconstructor.aperantis.com ?
[08:56] <thiagocmartinsc> is for Desktop... right ?!
[08:56] <thiagocmartinsc> anyone knows?
[08:57] <thiagocmartinsc> ouw! I think this InstallCDCustomization will help
[08:57] <thiagocmartinsc> :-D
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[09:45] <lifeless> doko: ping
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[09:56] <DerekS> ping mdke_ 
[09:57] <niktaris> tarzeau, on the live cd how are the files /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow created? Are they copied from somewhere ?
[09:57] <niktaris> on the live cd how are the files /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow created? Are they copied from somewhere ?
[09:57] <niktaris> sorry tarzeau. not (only) too you 
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[10:22] <mdke_> DerekS: pong
[10:23] <psusi> I believe they are created at boot time
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[10:43] <DerekS> mdke_: thanks for your blog post on SA.... it was really helpful
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[10:46] <mdke_> DerekS: :) one of the support people recommended it to me when I whinged about the junk filtering. Great guide huh
[10:46] <mdke_> glad to spread the love
[10:47] <DerekS> yeah, its great how i don't have to filter everyone's email (only my own).. and imho, SA has always been the best
[10:48] <DerekS> anyways, just wanted to say thanks :)
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[11:25] <cjwatson> niktaris: I'm at this conference and latency is extremely high. Please mail me rather than pinging me on IRC
[11:26] <niktaris> cjwatson, ok
[11:26] <cjwatson> niktaris: /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow are created during installation of base-passwd during the live CD build process. user-setup is run by casper to add the ubuntu user to them
[11:27] <niktaris> cjwatson, I just though that maybe the problem with the greek keyboard is releated to a bug in xserver-xorg (in etch at least)
[11:27] <niktaris> I;ll try and let you know
[11:27] <cjwatson> niktaris: right, I'm not around reliably enough at the moment to help with that on IRC
[11:28] <cjwatson> (and I'm nowhere near my usual test rig and therefore can't just try it)
[11:28] <niktaris> cjwatson, I understand. np
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[11:37] <jdong> cjwatson: ping
[11:37] <jdong> cjwatson: out of curiousity, do you have the source for the script you use to generate backports source packages?
[11:37] <cjwatson> jdong: Please tell me what you want and I'll reply when I'm around.
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[11:40] <cjwatson> jdong: I'm afraid I can't give it out - too much in the way of Launchpad internals in there
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[11:40] <jdong> cjwatson: can you answer some non-sensitive questions about it though?
[11:41] <jdong> cjwatson: namely, what's being used to mangle the version and generate the .dsc file for it?
[11:41] <jdong> cjwatson: I'm basically trying to write my own version of it for an automated backporting script, but my version is quite imperfect
[11:41] <jdong> it uses dch, then pdebuild
[11:42] <jdong> but for that to work some build deps, like cdbs, have to be installed on the host machine
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[11:48] <cjwatson> jdong: you're nearly there - mine prepends to the changelog manually in python (although dch should be OK too, if you use -b), and then uses 'dpkg-source -b package-version' in the parent directory and 'dpkg-genchanges -S -sa' in the build directory
[11:48] <cjwatson> that avoids having to run the clean target
[11:49] <cjwatson>     os.chdir("..")
[11:49] <cjwatson>     spawn_get_output(["dpkg-source", "-b", "%s-%s" % (pkg, upstream_version)] )
[11:49] <cjwatson>     os.chdir("%s-%s" % (pkg, upstream_version))
[11:49] <cjwatson>     changes = spawn_get_output(["dpkg-genchanges", "-S", "-sa"] ,
[11:49] <cjwatson>                                stderr_with_stdout=False)
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[11:51] <jdong> cjwatson: ooh, thanks, I'll try that
[11:51] <jdong> I was considering using --use-internal-pdebuild
[11:51] <jdong> which works too, though I'm not clear how much "risk" this poses to the build host
[11:53] <cjwatson> I'd stick to lower-level tools
[11:53] <jdong> cjwatson: ok, thanks. dpkg-source -b is the magical command I was missing
[11:54] <jdong> thanks for your time
[11:54] <cjwatson> it's basically an exceedingly careful wrapper around tar :)
[11:54] <cjwatson> np
[11:56] <Fujitsu> cjwatson: Can I convince you to let gcl into dapper-proposed?
[11:57] <cjwatson> Fujitsu: will have to be a bit later, I'm afraid ... about to go and talk about ubiquity driver updates
[11:57] <Fujitsu> OK, no problem.
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[12:07] <mirak> hi
[12:08] <mirak> when I run mythtv-backend script, a --verbose is happened at the end
[12:08] <mirak> where does it come from ??
[12:09] <_ion> Please see the topic.