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| jbailey | BenC: Launchpad doesn't seem to know about linux-restricted-modules-2.6.19 yet, where do you want bugs? =) | 12:24 |
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| BenC | it should, they are built | 12:24 |
| BenC | are you talking about the ppc ftbfs? | 12:24 |
| jbailey | Nope =) | 12:25 |
| jbailey | linux-restricted-modules-2.6.19-5-generic - Non-free Linux 2.6.19 modules on x86_64 generic | 12:25 |
| jbailey | This is the description on i386. =) | 12:25 |
| BenC | ooh, ok | 12:25 |
| jbailey | (as I was checking to see if they were available yet. *g*) | 12:25 |
| BenC | just an email directly will be ok | 12:25 |
| jbailey | Done, thanks. | 12:27 |
| zul | interesting you can detach block devices in xen | 12:36 |
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| tfheen | BenC: you never pulled in ca96426a13f7a30c9fd768a0e56785ee2d471918 from rookery:~tfheen/public_html/git/ubuntu-2.6.git Mind doing that? | 02:30 |
| BenC | tfheen: is that for feisty? | 02:30 |
| tfheen | it was for dapper, but it should be applicable for feisty too | 02:31 |
| tfheen | oh, it's there already | 02:31 |
| tfheen | ignore me then | 02:31 |
| BenC | heh, ok | 02:32 |
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| rikai | bbl, off to play some F.E.A.R. | 06:50 |
| rikai | Err, sorry, that wasn't meant for here. ;) | 06:50 |
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| cbx33 | hi guys | 09:54 |
| cbx33 | I want to write a HID driver for an interactive whiteboard, where would I start | 09:55 |
| cbx33 | I'm presuming it is going to be either a modification to or a base of a mouse driver or something similar | 09:56 |
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| aapje | bug soft lockup detected on cpu#0! is what i get when I put my rt61 in | 12:57 |
| aapje | I'm running 2.6.15-27-k7 | 12:57 |
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| Administrator__ | hello | 01:35 |
| Administrator__ | i get bug:soft lockup detected onm cpu#0 | 01:35 |
| Administrator__ | when i use my rt61 wifi card | 01:35 |
| Administrator__ | using 2.6.15 | 01:36 |
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| Administrator__ | smp why is it eneabled in generic? | 04:00 |
| Administrator__ | this causes softlockups on some wifi cards | 04:01 |
| fabbione | then there is a bug in the wifi driver | 04:02 |
| Administrator__ | http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2268 | 04:07 |
| Administrator__ | there are a lot of users who own a rt61l, see ubuntu forums. | 04:09 |
| Administrator__ | *rt61 | 04:09 |
| fabbione | ubuntu forums are NOT a bug reporting tool. | 04:10 |
| fabbione | if there is a bug in launchpad somebody will look at it | 04:10 |
| Administrator__ | who reported a bug there? | 04:10 |
| fabbione | otherwise tough luck | 04:10 |
| Administrator__ | I'm just gathering info | 04:10 |
| Administrator__ | and proofing a proof of concept | 04:10 |
| fabbione | well open a bug | 04:10 |
| fabbione | with all the info | 04:10 |
| Administrator__ | how well do you developers intergergrate with your users | 04:11 |
| mjg59 | Administrator__: SMP is enabled in the generic kernel because it's now difficult to purchase a machine that isn't SMP | 04:11 |
| mjg59 | That's not going to change | 04:11 |
| fabbione | Administrator_: opening bug in the right place is the right thing to do | 04:12 |
| fabbione | it's no matter of "integrating".. we can't track stuff that's not in the right place | 04:12 |
| rikai | Developers have more important things to do with their time(fixing bugs, adding new things), than to search the internet for problems reported in incorrect places. :) | 04:13 |
| Administrator__ | mjg59, because of that reasons (i assume that you made that conclusion from your own perpective) you guys enable smp in kernel? | 04:16 |
| mjg59 | Administrator__: We enable SMP so that people can actually use their computers properly, yes | 04:17 |
| Administrator__ | the help on the smp options is wrong, it can cause harmn. | 04:17 |
| Administrator__ | so why not acutall make two flavors? | 04:17 |
| Administrator__ | or several flavors? | 04:17 |
| mjg59 | Because it would increase support load | 04:17 |
| mjg59 | And because we could, instead, try to fix the broken drivers | 04:17 |
| mjg59 | The answer to "My driver is broken and doesn't work properly with SMP" is not "Disable SMP" | 04:17 |
| mjg59 | But in any case, the -386 kernels don't have SMP enabled | 04:18 |
| makx | b0rked drivers that are not smp ready are not even preemtible | 04:18 |
| Administrator__ | ok that's great to here because, i already tried a bootparm nosmp but ubuntu didn't boot | 04:19 |
| Administrator__ | hang on i'll install 386 kernel | 04:19 |
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| JanC | Administrator_: the Ralink SMP bug is here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/34902 | 06:15 |
| JanC | no need to file a duplicate :) | 06:17 |
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| jbailey | BenC: Hey - the kernel upload from last night fixes the crash-on-startup-when-usplash-running. Thanks. | 06:34 |
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| mini | are there any plans for releasing an updated edgy kernel? | 07:28 |
| jbailey | mini: Define updated? | 07:29 |
| jbailey | It will get security fixes from here. | 07:29 |
| mini | as in bugfixes | 07:29 |
| jbailey | Depends on the bug. | 07:29 |
| mini | I'm thinking about this one https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/63418 | 07:29 |
| mini | prevents many laptop users from booting... | 07:29 |
| mini | and has a very trivial workaround patch, that I just tested | 07:30 |
| jbailey | mini: Mostly up to BenC and the rest of the kernel team on specifics like that. | 07:30 |
| mini | "many" as in all laptops with the ipw3945 intel wireless card | 07:30 |
| mini | thus, probably majority of Core Duo laptops | 07:31 |
| mini | BenC: comments? | 07:32 |
| BenC | mini: "all laptops with ipw945" seems to exlude my laptop, since that's what I have | 07:33 |
| mini | Did you try booting with wireless off? | 07:33 |
| mini | i.e. killswitch on | 07:33 |
| mini | that's what triggers the bug | 07:33 |
| BenC | I can test it later...if I can reproduce it, then the more likely it is to get fixed :) | 07:34 |
| mini | :-) | 07:34 |
| mini | ok, there's a patch in that report, produced by Intel | 07:34 |
| mini | trivial timeout implementation that should be safe | 07:35 |
| mini | see the intel bugzilla at http://bughost.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1096 | 07:35 |
| BenC | mini: ok, looks easy enough...Note it will go into edgy-proposed initially and hopefully work its way into edgy proper | 07:36 |
| mini | thanks, makes me feel better. | 07:37 |
| zul | BenC: i updated the fiesty-xen stuff can you reivew it please | 07:38 |
| mini | BenC: thanks for listening | 07:38 |
| BenC | mini: no problem | 07:38 |
| BenC | zul: Yeah, give me a few minutes to get this kernel upload done | 07:39 |
| zul | sure | 07:39 |
| zul | heh i can be an asshole no you must do it now!! ;) | 07:40 |
| BenC | hehe | 07:40 |
| ivoks | BenC: well, that bug is real :/ | 07:42 |
| ivoks | (/me is late :) | 07:42 |
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| jbailey | zul: | 08:11 |
| jbailey | Cant main packages depend on universe packages? - chuck | 08:11 |
| jbailey | zul: No. | 08:11 |
| zul | jbailey: ah ok | 08:11 |
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| zul | what about multiverse? | 08:12 |
| jbailey | no | 08:12 |
| zul | damn.. | 08:12 |
| jbailey | They call it the ogre model. | 08:12 |
| jbailey | main, wrapped by restricted, wrapped by universe, wrapped by multiverse. | 08:12 |
| jbailey | Dependancies have to face in. | 08:12 |
| zul | ok good to know | 08:13 |
| lamont | jbailey: and they fixed it after me... | 08:13 |
| lamont | universe can't depend on restricted either | 08:13 |
| lamont | although it could in my day, since I'm a lazy slacker | 08:13 |
| lamont | and it broke the purity of the ogre model. | 08:13 |
| lamont | but it had to be | 08:14 |
| zul | damn.. | 08:16 |
| zul | is it possible to make a special case to get the xen-kernel in main eventually? | 08:17 |
| zul | of course i might be on crack | 08:18 |
| lamont | nope. | 08:19 |
| tfheen | zul: what's the problem? | 08:19 |
| lamont | what might be possible is to build the xen kernel without the dependency and have a multiverse package that delivers the extra module or whatever | 08:20 |
| zul | tfheen: the problem is I would like to have xen in main evntually | 08:21 |
| tfheen | zul: yes, and that is problematic why? | 08:22 |
| mini | sorry, I missed the issue - what's the troublesome module in xen? | 08:22 |
| zul | because the xen patch for the kernel is really really ugly | 08:22 |
| lamont | zul: main consists (by definition) of everything seeded in main, and all of the dependency chain to make it installable. so it _can't_ depend on any other component... | 08:23 |
| lamont | really really ugly doesn't imply multiverse or universe... | 08:23 |
| zul | ok | 08:24 |
| lamont | what does it depend on that is not in main? | 08:24 |
| zul | it depends on the kernel basically | 08:24 |
| lamont | that's in main. :-) | 08:24 |
| zul | *sigh* ill talk to you guys after this bof | 08:25 |
| thom | lamont in "helpful" mode | 08:25 |
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