=== jbailey [i=jbailey@conference/ubuntuconf/x-c778ab23ca783c1d] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [12:24] BenC: Launchpad doesn't seem to know about linux-restricted-modules-2.6.19 yet, where do you want bugs? =) [12:24] it should, they are built [12:24] are you talking about the ppc ftbfs? [12:25] Nope =) [12:25] linux-restricted-modules-2.6.19-5-generic - Non-free Linux 2.6.19 modules on x86_64 generic [12:25] This is the description on i386. =) [12:25] ooh, ok [12:25] (as I was checking to see if they were available yet. *g*) [12:25] just an email directly will be ok [12:27] Done, thanks. [12:36] interesting you can detach block devices in xen === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BenC [i=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Lure_ [i=lure@conference/ubuntuconf/x-526c42f0a9b1d602] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Jozo- [i=jozo@viola.uninea.fi] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === fabbione [n=fabbione@vpn-nat.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Jozo- [i=jozo@viola.uninea.fi] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === rikai [n=rikai@unaffiliated/rikai] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [02:30] BenC: you never pulled in ca96426a13f7a30c9fd768a0e56785ee2d471918 from rookery:~tfheen/public_html/git/ubuntu-2.6.git Mind doing that? [02:30] tfheen: is that for feisty? [02:31] it was for dapper, but it should be applicable for feisty too [02:31] oh, it's there already [02:31] ignore me then [02:32] heh, ok === zul [i=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Jozo- [i=jozo@viola.uninea.fi] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Administrator_ [n=Administ@ip503d4396.speed.planet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === rikai [n=rikai@unaffiliated/rikai] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Leaving"] === rikai [n=rikai@unaffiliated/rikai] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:50] bbl, off to play some F.E.A.R. [06:50] Err, sorry, that wasn't meant for here. ;) === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.126] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === rikai [n=rikai@unaffiliated/rikai] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Jozo-_ [i=jozo@viola.uninea.fi] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:54] hi guys [09:55] I want to write a HID driver for an interactive whiteboard, where would I start [09:56] I'm presuming it is going to be either a modification to or a base of a mouse driver or something similar === calavera [n=calavera@195.Red-80-26-32.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@wall2.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Administrator_ [n=Administ@ip503d4396.speed.planet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === aapje [n=user@81.58.38.138] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [12:57] bug soft lockup detected on cpu#0! is what i get when I put my rt61 in [12:57] I'm running 2.6.15-27-k7 === kylem_ [i=kyle@fruit.freedesktop.org] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Administrator__ [n=Administ@81.58.38.138] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:35] hello [01:35] i get bug:soft lockup detected onm cpu#0 [01:35] when i use my rt61 wifi card [01:36] using 2.6.15 === kylem [i=kyle@fruit.freedesktop.org] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === fabbione [n=fabbione@vpn-nat.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [04:00] smp why is it eneabled in generic? [04:01] this causes softlockups on some wifi cards [04:02] then there is a bug in the wifi driver [04:07] http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2268 [04:09] there are a lot of users who own a rt61l, see ubuntu forums. [04:09] *rt61 [04:10] ubuntu forums are NOT a bug reporting tool. [04:10] if there is a bug in launchpad somebody will look at it [04:10] who reported a bug there? [04:10] otherwise tough luck [04:10] I'm just gathering info [04:10] and proofing a proof of concept [04:10] well open a bug [04:10] with all the info [04:11] how well do you developers intergergrate with your users [04:11] Administrator__: SMP is enabled in the generic kernel because it's now difficult to purchase a machine that isn't SMP [04:11] That's not going to change [04:12] Administrator_: opening bug in the right place is the right thing to do [04:12] it's no matter of "integrating".. we can't track stuff that's not in the right place [04:13] Developers have more important things to do with their time(fixing bugs, adding new things), than to search the internet for problems reported in incorrect places. :) [04:16] mjg59, because of that reasons (i assume that you made that conclusion from your own perpective) you guys enable smp in kernel? [04:17] Administrator__: We enable SMP so that people can actually use their computers properly, yes [04:17] the help on the smp options is wrong, it can cause harmn. [04:17] so why not acutall make two flavors? [04:17] or several flavors? [04:17] Because it would increase support load [04:17] And because we could, instead, try to fix the broken drivers [04:17] The answer to "My driver is broken and doesn't work properly with SMP" is not "Disable SMP" [04:18] But in any case, the -386 kernels don't have SMP enabled [04:18] b0rked drivers that are not smp ready are not even preemtible [04:19] ok that's great to here because, i already tried a bootparm nosmp but ubuntu didn't boot [04:19] hang on i'll install 386 kernel === Lure [n=lure@38.99.84.33] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Keybuk [i=scott@conference/ubuntuconf/x-ee8aea444e6bc459] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [i=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === fabbione [n=fabbione@vpn-nat.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BenC__ [i=bcollins@conference/ubuntuconf/x-8cb8661083db309c] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Lure [i=lure@conference/ubuntuconf/x-25a767d99346efa5] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [i=chuck@conference/ubuntuconf/x-c3f7d0970bc1e551] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:15] Administrator_: the Ralink SMP bug is here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/34902 [06:17] no need to file a duplicate :) === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === jbailey [i=jbailey@conference/ubuntuconf/x-9f72676ea1f46b5b] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:34] BenC: Hey - the kernel upload from last night fixes the crash-on-startup-when-usplash-running. Thanks. === Keybuk [i=scott@conference/ubuntuconf/x-82a11a1664969fc5] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Keybuk [i=scott@conference/ubuntuconf/x-0f560d815384b12c] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ralhn [n=chatzill@63.161.64.247] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Lure [i=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ralhn_ [n=chatzill@63.161.64.247] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === uzl [i=chuck@conference/ubuntuconf/x-253aa75416ea0c21] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === uzl is now known as zul === mini [n=mini@84-217-20-40.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [07:28] are there any plans for releasing an updated edgy kernel? [07:29] mini: Define updated? [07:29] It will get security fixes from here. [07:29] as in bugfixes [07:29] Depends on the bug. [07:29] I'm thinking about this one https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/63418 [07:29] prevents many laptop users from booting... [07:30] and has a very trivial workaround patch, that I just tested [07:30] mini: Mostly up to BenC and the rest of the kernel team on specifics like that. [07:30] "many" as in all laptops with the ipw3945 intel wireless card [07:31] thus, probably majority of Core Duo laptops [07:32] BenC: comments? [07:33] mini: "all laptops with ipw945" seems to exlude my laptop, since that's what I have [07:33] Did you try booting with wireless off? [07:33] i.e. killswitch on [07:33] that's what triggers the bug [07:34] I can test it later...if I can reproduce it, then the more likely it is to get fixed :) [07:34] :-) [07:34] ok, there's a patch in that report, produced by Intel [07:35] trivial timeout implementation that should be safe [07:35] see the intel bugzilla at http://bughost.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1096 [07:36] mini: ok, looks easy enough...Note it will go into edgy-proposed initially and hopefully work its way into edgy proper [07:37] thanks, makes me feel better. [07:38] BenC: i updated the fiesty-xen stuff can you reivew it please [07:38] BenC: thanks for listening [07:38] mini: no problem [07:39] zul: Yeah, give me a few minutes to get this kernel upload done [07:39] sure [07:40] heh i can be an asshole no you must do it now!! ;) [07:40] hehe [07:42] BenC: well, that bug is real :/ [07:42] (/me is late :) === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:BenC] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | Kernel Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryKernel | 2.6.19-5.7 uploaded - Ciggarette BOF release. Use it, but there are still a few missing modules. [08:11] zul: [08:11] Cant main packages depend on universe packages? - chuck [08:11] zul: No. [08:11] jbailey: ah ok === Administrator_ [n=Administ@ip503d4396.speed.planet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [08:12] what about multiverse? [08:12] no [08:12] damn.. [08:12] They call it the ogre model. [08:12] main, wrapped by restricted, wrapped by universe, wrapped by multiverse. [08:12] Dependancies have to face in. [08:13] ok good to know [08:13] jbailey: and they fixed it after me... [08:13] universe can't depend on restricted either [08:13] although it could in my day, since I'm a lazy slacker [08:13] and it broke the purity of the ogre model. [08:14] but it had to be [08:16] damn.. [08:17] is it possible to make a special case to get the xen-kernel in main eventually? [08:18] of course i might be on crack [08:19] nope. [08:19] zul: what's the problem? [08:20] what might be possible is to build the xen kernel without the dependency and have a multiverse package that delivers the extra module or whatever [08:21] tfheen: the problem is I would like to have xen in main evntually [08:22] zul: yes, and that is problematic why? [08:22] sorry, I missed the issue - what's the troublesome module in xen? [08:22] because the xen patch for the kernel is really really ugly [08:23] zul: main consists (by definition) of everything seeded in main, and all of the dependency chain to make it installable. so it _can't_ depend on any other component... [08:23] really really ugly doesn't imply multiverse or universe... [08:24] ok [08:24] what does it depend on that is not in main? [08:24] it depends on the kernel basically [08:24] that's in main. :-) [08:25] *sigh* ill talk to you guys after this bof [08:25] lamont in "helpful" mode === Lure [i=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [i=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === johanbr [n=j@jupiter.physics.ubc.ca] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@3-240.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === doko [i=doko@conference/ubuntuconf/session] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === rikai_ [n=rikai@unaffiliated/rikai] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === calavera [n=calavera@195.Red-80-26-32.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === jbailey [i=jbailey@conference/ubuntuconf/x-a8a36bb843a46239] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === fabbione [n=fabbione@vpn-nat.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [i=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@3-240.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-kernel