[12:07] <jenda> UDS up now.
[12:20] <MitchM> http://ubuntu-rocks.org is what i turned it into for now.
[12:20] <MitchM> (until Joey doth command me to do more)
[12:28] <jenda> Are you a remote control web developer?
[12:30] <MitchM> what exactly do you mean by that?
[12:30] <MitchM> =)
[12:31] <MitchM> Remote Control being a device that sends infrared signals to my TV somehow doesnt fit in with web-dev
[12:31] <MitchM> (in my head)
[12:34] <jenda> "remote control" doesn't contain infra-red in it anywhere :)
[12:34] <jenda> I can remote control through ssh, and in this case IRC :)
[12:35] <jenda> I've got 26 more minutes of this BOF, in which I wanna be.
[12:41] <MitchM> lol.
[12:42] <MitchM> well if what you mean by "remote control web developer" is -- I use "ssh and vim" to "remotely" develop websites (after i've uploaded a basic "design") -- Well then; I'll steal your term and put it on my resume.
[12:42] <MitchM> MitchM -- Remote Control Web Developer / Peon Extraordinare.
[12:51] <jenda> hehe :)
[12:52] <jenda> hmm
[12:52] <jenda> toby gave up abit too early there...
[12:57] <BHSPitLappy> sorry for the repeat, but
[12:57] <BHSPitLappy> anyone have any good materials regarding introducing people to linux?
[12:57] <BHSPitLappy> I often find myself at a loss for the correct words when somebody asks me, "What exactly is linux?"
[01:02] <jenda> whylinuxisbetter.com
[01:02] <jenda> BHSPitLappy
[01:02] <jenda> IT's made by Ubuntu's very own Manu Cornet.
[01:03] <BHSPitLappy> cool
[01:03] <BHSPitLappy> so many people have asked me lately, too (since I bring it up often)
[01:03] <BHSPitLappy> and I try to make sense of it, but it's not easy ;)
[01:04] <jenda> yep :)
[01:04] <BHSPitLappy> explaining the concept of distros, and that linux is really just the backbone of them all
[01:04] <BHSPitLappy> but often refers to the entire linux / open-source world, etc
[01:04] <BHSPitLappy> when you think about it, we're a really disorganized bunch ;)
[01:06] <jenda> very
[01:06] <jenda> that's what the community-oriented BOFs are for. This one was really good.
[01:07] <jenda> Anyway, I'm falling asleep as i speak.
[01:07] <jenda> night :)
[01:20] <BHSPitLappy> night
[04:05] <meatballhat9000> anyone 'round?
[04:06] <lotusleaf> ^^
[04:08] <meatballhat9000> howdy - I realize that most of the Ubuntu folks are probably in the UK or S. Africa... so it's probably not the best time of day :-)
[04:08] <lotusleaf> meatballhat9000: I'm just an ubuntu worshipper, what's up?
[04:08] <lotusleaf> meatballhat9000: or they're @ google :)
[04:09] <meatballhat9000> right on - me too...   I noticed that the mailing list isn't especially active and wanted to see if IRC was a better place to hash things out
[04:09] <lotusleaf> meatballhat9000: you looking for support? Search /list for ubuntu
[04:09] <lotusleaf> meatballhat9000: #ubuntu #kubuntu #xubuntu #edubuntu and more
[04:09] <lotusleaf> meatballhat9000: #ubuntu-offtopic #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:09] <meatballhat9000> no no no....  sorry if my chatter is unprofessional
[04:10] <lotusleaf> meatballhat9000: #ubuntuforums
[04:10] <meatballhat9000> I'm into marketing by trade
[04:10] <lotusleaf> meatballhat9000: ah, have you posted to the marketing mailing list?
[04:10] <meatballhat9000> yes
[04:10] <lotusleaf> meatballhat9000: probably the best place aside from here IMO
[04:11] <meatballhat9000> right on
[04:11] <lotusleaf> meatballhat9000: since time zones are an issue for some
[04:11] <meatballhat9000> precisely
[04:11] <meatballhat9000> are you able to give me a sense of how closely ubuntu-marketing works with the LoCo's?
[04:12] <lotusleaf> meatballhat9000: I would suggest you speak with an ubuntu member, someone who may address your questions much better than I.
[04:12] <lotusleaf> meatballhat9000: as I said, I just sing from the ubuntu hymnal :)
[04:13] <meatballhat9000> guilty as well :-)
[04:13] <meatballhat9000> do you mind my asking where you're located?
[04:14] <meatballhat9000> ...I'm having trouble finding folks in my area with whom I might start a LoCo
[04:14] <lotusleaf> meatballhat9000: on a strange round planet, imprisoned by gravity
[04:15] <meatballhat9000> har har
[04:15] <lotusleaf> meatballhat9000: have you tried asking around in #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[04:15] <lotusleaf> meatballhat9000: lots of chatters in there now
[04:15] <meatballhat9000> will do - sorry to bother
[04:16] <lotusleaf> not a bother ;/
[04:44] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: how goes the obey ubuntu posters? :)
[04:45] <Madpilot> done, actually
[04:45] <lotusleaf> wee
[04:45] <lotusleaf> do you still have all the designs in the stages of incarnation?
[04:45] <Madpilot> not really, but it's in SVG so it's easy to recreate
[04:46] <Madpilot> one sec, I'll find the URL for you
[04:46] <lotusleaf> kewl thx
[04:46] <lotusleaf> you don't have your test designs in jpg png or whatever?
[04:46] <Madpilot> PNG & SVG http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/DIY%20Material/Ubuntu_Posters_Roughcut/
[04:46] <Madpilot> and a little readme
[04:47] <lotusleaf> sweet
[04:47] <lotusleaf> thx
[04:48] <Madpilot> no problem. It was a fun experiment - getting a more hand-drawn look from Inkscape, vs the very sleek look usually associated w/ vector drawings
[04:49] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: =) I'm glad you had fun with it
[04:49] <lotusleaf> I was surprised anyone ran with the idea
[04:51] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: very nicely done, thanks =)
[04:52] <BHSPitLappy> Madpilot, now open-source your newly-learned inkscape skills
[04:53] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: will that url remain on ubuntu.com? I'd like to add a link to that on my site
[04:53] <Madpilot> lotusleaf, yes, that's the Marketing Team's bzr repo, so it's stable
[04:53] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: sweet, thx again =)
[04:53] <Burgundavia> hey slackers
[04:54] <Burgundavia> :D
[04:54] <Burgundavia> whose up for some UWN hacking?
[04:54] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia. Having fun with your fan club on the -ca ML?
[04:54] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/DIY%20Material/Ubuntu_Posters_Roughcut/
[04:54] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: Obey Ubuntu! :)
[04:54] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: tonnes
[06:50] <rikai> bbl, off to play some F.E.A.R.
[06:54] <Burgundavia> madpilot: where is that cd holding box?
[07:02] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, um... not sure, just a sec.
[07:03] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Front page of DIY Marketing iirc
[07:03] <Burgundavia> ah
[07:58] <Burgundavia> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk5mF1FdNl4&mode=related&search=
[07:58] <Burgundavia> interesting
[10:24] <jenda> Madpilot: I'm not sure how important it is, but the trademark line should be Ubuntu, Canonical and the Ubuntu logo are trademarks of Canonical Ltd.
[10:25] <Madpilot> jenda, on my roughcut poster?
[10:25] <Burgundavia> jenda: you got some DIY website love soon?
[10:29] <jenda> Burgundavia: I'm having trouble with website makers, but it's getting there.
[10:37] <jenda> Burgundavia: diy.devubuntu.com is where it's at now.
[10:37] <Burgundavia> hmm
[10:37] <Burgundavia> we still need a palce for people to upload to
[10:43] <jenda> bzr bzr bzr
[10:43] <Madpilot> jenda, only if it works :|
[10:44] <jenda> It doesn't work at times?
[10:44] <Burgundavia> I think it does
[10:44] <Burgundavia> bzr is not good enough
[10:44] <jenda> Well... I guess the cronjob business is a little bit of a hack...
[10:44] <Burgundavia> it requires a commandline and you need to install it
[10:44] <Burgundavia> we need a completely web-based tool
[10:44] <jenda> ok
[10:44] <jenda> agreed
[10:44] <Madpilot> jenda, who has upload rights to marketing's bzr repo?
[10:45] <jenda> Madpilot: the entire ubuntu-marketing team.
[10:45] <Burgundavia> basically, a document management tool
[10:45] <jenda> bug the launchpad people, I guess.
[10:45] <jenda> spec it?
[10:45] <Madpilot> jenda, you sure? Even after I registerd an SSH key on LP, I couldn't get uploading working...
[10:46] <jenda> I'm pretty sure... the product is ~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu
[10:47] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, who was working on that bzr-for-marketing-team tut, and where is it?
[10:47] <Burgundavia> hmm, I forget
[10:47] <Burgundavia> poningru maybe
[10:47] <jenda> tut?
[10:48] <Burgundavia> tutorial
[10:48] <poningru> nixternal is
[10:48] <poningru> no clue where that is
[10:48] <jenda> ah
[10:48] <poningru> I agreed to help him with it
[10:48] <Burgundavia> nixternal is at MTV, no?
[10:48] <poningru> no
[10:48] <jenda> nixternal was the one who uploaded your posters, Madpilot
[10:48] <jenda> ie. he must have access...
[10:48] <poningru> but I had/have couple of conferences to finish
[10:48] <Madpilot> jenda, yeah, he finally got it working; I just stuck them up on the ubuntu.ca server, which I have full access to
[10:48] <poningru> finished one today
[10:49] <jenda> ok
[10:49] <jenda> I wonder what wasn't working.
[10:49] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bzr
[10:49] <Madpilot> it was nixternal ^^
[10:51] <poningru> so yeah one thing I learned at the conferences today was apperantly my uni has a software usability center
[10:51] <Burgundavia> night
[10:51] <poningru> and I am getting them to do usability studies on nvu
[10:52] <poningru> next in line is ubuntu/gnome
[02:16] <jenda> The Czech LoCo team has been asked in an interview what progress has been made towards new-user-accessibility in Edgy (for which Ubuntu is renowned). Anyone have any tips?
[06:57] <jenda> pm
[06:57] <jenda> oops
[11:09] <nixternal> i got a message from john little, and now that the elections are over with he should be returning
[11:10] <jenda> he's in politics?
[11:10] <nixternal> he has been super busy on the campaign trails working along side the houston chronicle as an independent political blogger
[11:10] <nixternal> oh ya jenda, big time politician
[11:10] <Burgwork> ok, that rocks
[11:10] <jenda> neat :)
[11:10] <nixternal> he is very famous in politics
[11:10] <Burgwork> I was wondering about that
[11:10] <jenda> BTW, you guys, have a look at the front page of the Ubnutu Forums...
[11:10] <nixternal> well, not very famous, but politicians know who he is
[11:10] <jenda> (I didn't even ask)
[11:11] <nixternal> hehe
[11:11] <nixternal> Ubuntu Posters
[11:11] <jenda> yep
[11:11] <Burgwork> cool
[11:11] <nixternal> i thought they were cheaper than that for some reason
[11:11] <jenda> They are :)
[11:11] <nixternal> oh
[11:12] <nixternal> i thought they were bigger than that as well, i was thinking posters
[11:12] <jenda> Once the idea bubbled up to the point where I should give Ryan the price etc, I gave him $2 per poster, of which $1 will be a donation to the forums.
[11:12] <jenda> They are A3
[11:12] <nixternal> however, i sure could use a bunch, as i want to post them all over my school
[11:12] <jenda> it's poster size :)
[11:12] <jenda> 10 for $15
[11:12] <jenda> You never saw a different price.
[11:12] <nixternal> ok, thats what i thought ;)
[11:12] <jenda> :)
[11:12] <nixternal> i know
[11:12] <nixternal> umm..
[11:13] <jenda> eeek
[11:13] <nixternal> hahahaha
[11:13] <nixternal> rofl
[11:13] <jenda> $25 is the price only for purchases by that button on the forums.
[11:19] <tsmithe> wow, i see the poster business is really taking off!
[11:20] <tsmithe> !ubuntulog
[11:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntulog - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:20] <tsmithe> damn
[11:20] <Burgwork> ubuntulog is the logging daemon
[11:20] <Burgwork> there probably shoudl be a factoid about it
[11:20] <tsmithe> where can i find the log?
[11:21] <Burgwork> ubotu: ubuntulog is a logging bot run on various Ubuntu channels. You can read the logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[11:22] <tsmithe> wow... that page is well indexed! they need to get a beagle on that fast!
[11:25] <jenda> hehe :)
[11:25] <jenda> Start a business and turn filthy rich next.
[11:26] <tsmithe> yeah!
[11:26] <tsmithe> i just read the "current log", and i can't remember any of the beginning, even though it says i joined
[11:27] <tsmithe> does it log quits?
[11:29] <tsmithe> i dont really understand how current it is either
[11:30] <jenda> tsmithe: I thing so.
[11:32] <tsmithe> well, unless you were talking about another toby (which is quite likely), when you said "toby gave up abit too early there...", suggests i came and left rather quickly...
[11:35] <tsmithe> but then i do remember the discussion on the price of the posters: "You never saw a different price." but it seems that my first quote was eleven hours before...
[11:37] <jenda> aha
[11:37] <jenda> I believe you came in, asked sometnig and left, no?
[11:41] <tsmithe> it seems that i didnt say anything
[11:41] <tsmithe> so, i must have left. in which case, it doesnt log quits
[11:42] <tsmithe> oh, and i added you on jabber (gotta flaunt my gmail account)
[11:43] <jenda> sure
[11:44] <jenda> added you too.
[11:45] <jenda> ouch!
[11:45] <MitchM> =)
[11:46] <jenda> What's up? :)
[11:48] <MitchM> oh -- just felt like poking you.
[11:48] <MitchM> so -- nothing really...
[11:48] <MitchM> how is diy comming?
[11:49] <tsmithe> website looks alright so far
[11:50] <tsmithe> i'd like to help out, but i'm rather rusty (haven't coded an anywhere near decent) web app in a while; and i'm behind on all the snazzy technologies like ajax...
[11:52] <tsmithe> why does he want to help people get xboxes?
[11:52] <tsmithe> tut tut tut
[11:53] <tsmithe> oh; and i've managed to give away all my cds. they went quite quickly in the end
[11:54] <StikkitJim> lol we had a lecturer at uni tell us all to use suse for an assignment - handed out ubuntu cd's hehe all gone
[11:54] <tsmithe> coolio!
[11:55] <tsmithe> why is suse better than ubuntu?!
[11:55] <StikkitJim> na i think our uni love novell
[11:56] <StikkitJim> and cisco :E
[11:56] <tsmithe> what, with the recent deal with ms! and cisco's no better either
[11:56] <jenda> MitchM: ah, it's going slow. The people who offer to help mysteriously disappear...
[11:56] <StikkitJim> just smells like a load of ballmer
[11:58] <lotusleaf> embalmer?
[11:58] <lotusleaf> jenda: offer to help what
[11:58] <jenda> lotusleaf: diy.devubuntu.com
[11:58] <lotusleaf> ah
[11:59] <lotusleaf> I think a lot of people have good ideas and intentions, but as with anything which is volunteer, actual efforts are lacking
[12:00] <lotusleaf> reminds me when I used to make total conversions for games in the 1990'ies, and people would ask me to help them with their idea, they had all the ideas but had no means to work on their goals, unless I or someone else did the work for them =)
[12:00] <jenda> I'll say :)
[12:01] <jenda> lotusleaf: I'm the guy that constantly has them ideas and intentions...
[12:01] <jenda> And then, when it comes to ... implementing them...
[12:01] <jenda> ehm...
[12:01] <tsmithe> php is good!
[12:01] <lotusleaf> jenda: well you had posters printed right?
[12:01] <jenda> I have to find someone who can actually do things :)
[12:01] <lotusleaf> jenda: that's following through
[12:01] <jenda> I did, true.
[12:01] <jenda> :)
[12:01] <lotusleaf> well, there you go! :)
[12:01] <lotusleaf> how many other ppl do you see trying to do something like that
[12:01] <tsmithe> i'm off to bed...
[12:01] <jenda> MInd, I had HanZo make them, and a pro printer to print them ;)
[12:02] <StikkitJim> jenda: are there many people working on ubuntu marketing?
[12:03] <jenda> StikkitJim: not really :(\
[12:03] <jenda> ANd yet, some are doing good efforts locally.
[12:04] <jenda> I'm hoping to have an influx of LoCo people to help out after the UDS :)
[12:04] <tsmithe> i want to help!
[12:04] <jenda> I'll draft you, then :)
[12:04] <tsmithe> what kind of help is needed?
[12:04] <jenda> What can you do?
[12:04] <jenda> hmm
[12:05] <jenda> I'm a tidbit busy ATM... my BOF is about to start...
[12:05] <tsmithe> short list!
[12:05] <jenda> But, basically, I need to get diy.devubuntu.com finalised, and kick off from there.
[12:05] <jenda> Once that's done,
[12:05] <tsmithe> i'll try to help
[12:05] <StikkitJim> I have access to lots of fancy cameras, editing equipment, tv studio, and a good salesperson
[12:05] <jenda> I want a list of HOWTOs people can follow to do marketing locally.
[12:05] <jenda> ooo
[12:05] <lotusleaf> jenda: excellent idea
[12:06] <jenda> Well...
[12:06] <jenda> umm
[12:06] <tsmithe> ok: easy for howtos