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[05:39] which chipset? === TheMuso is reminded to set up WPA on his notebook. === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:44] Burgundavia: Atheros R5212 [05:45] my internet seems a bit slow [05:45] madwifi has known issues, LaserJock [05:45] it reports bogus numbers [05:45] but the router is not very far away at all [05:45] have you explicitly set it to 11M? [05:45] it is the driver [05:45] when I was just using the gnome thingy it reported large number [05:46] "the gnome thingy" being...? [05:46] the applet [05:46] the default one? [05:46] yeah [05:47] I'm just trying to figure out if it's n-m [05:47] or if my wireless needs to be reset or something [05:47] if it's edgy, and it's madwifi*, then it's edgy. [05:47] for many people, madwifi* is broken in 2.6.17 [05:48] the gnome applet "Network Monitor" reports 79% for the signal strength [05:48] n-m show 35% [05:48] gnome applet may be special casing the madwifi driver [05:48] Iiiinteresting. [05:49] LaserJock: What does iwconfig say? [05:49] I know danw has refused patches to special case the madwifi driver in nm [05:49] maybe n-m just uses 5-base or something [05:49] Fujitsu: oh geeze, what am I looking for? [05:49] Link Quality=72/100 [05:49] oh yeah, 35/94 [05:50] Erm, out of 94!? [05:50] so that's what n-m is reporting [05:50] madwifi does seem rather stuffed. [05:50] the driver lies [05:50] And GNOME's thingy is special casing. [05:50] ok, well I was just wondering if I was going nuts or something ;-) === aBiNg [n=helo_aBi@221.6.29.75] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:51] Mt. View was the first time I've really done anything with wireless [05:51] at home I just now the SSID and don't have to mess with anything [05:51] s/now/know// [05:52] I felt rather dumb sitting next to mako [05:52] and I was struggling with n-m [05:53] That is a side-effect of being around almighty Ubuntu people. [05:53] heh, well he was always dropping his laptop [05:54] so at least I didn't pick that habit up [05:54] you won't be able to tell until your fifth macbook anyhow. [05:54] by that point we'll all be mocking you anyhow. [05:54] heh [05:54] I don't know if I'll be getting a macbook anytime soon [05:55] I did get a anti-drm sticker from mako at that BOF though [05:55] Was anybody there running {Windows,OS X,[insert other Linux distributions here] } on their laops? [05:55] so it was worth it ;-) [05:55] *laptops [05:55] some OS X I imagine [05:55] mpt ran it last year [05:55] well, there were certainly dual boots [05:56] the K12LTSP guys were running K12LTSP (no way!) [05:56] stunning [05:56] the Sun guys had a nice Ubuntu machine [05:57] I wasn't around long enough to see what the ATI and Nvidia people brought ;-) [05:57] I was really amazed by the Sun Looking Glass demo [05:57] I had seen a demo early on [05:58] but never really bothered since it was Java === Fujitsu waits for the gigantic gcl to upload to dapper-proposed. [05:58] but there were some interesting things they are doing that I think are usable [05:59] the "map a window onto a flag" one was purely crack ;-) [05:59] but things like flipping a window and on the back side you have notes [05:59] Mm, nice. [05:59] and panoramic views of the desktops seemed more practical [06:00] heh, at the end somebody asked "Does it work on a free Java?" :-) [06:00] Hahah. [06:01] but I don't think I'm quite there yet [06:01] the blingy stuff seems like it has some potential, but I don't really see using it for everyday use yet [06:02] hmm, so when I close the window do I lose my notes? [06:02] good question [06:02] I imagine they take care of that somehow [06:03] to me it looked more usable then the whole AIGLX/beryl thing I tried [06:03] but in the end I mostly just use terminals and firefox [06:04] I got to see one of the OLPC laptops, Ivan had one [06:04] pretty sweet [06:04] How was it? [06:04] Aha. [06:04] green :-) === Fujitsu notes that 15MB .diff.gzs and 256kbps upstreams don't mix very nicely. [06:04] mhm [06:04] Or it might actually be 128kbps at the moment... [06:05] I generally have 128kbps I think [06:05] it really stinks [06:05] 10Mbps down, 256kbps up... Not nice when you have to upload stuff frequently, but better than most connections here. [06:06] did you guys see the Council Greyskull planet post of mako's [06:06] 10Mbps is cool [06:06] I've only got 1.5 [06:06] 10Mbps isn't so great when you live in Oz. [06:06] Because the international connection is... pathetic? [06:06] ah [06:07] I still don't get the AU/NZ internet situation [06:07] Basically, any international connectivity sucks. [06:07] Generally fairly high latency, and slow. [06:07] local stuff is really good though? [06:08] I always hit my theoretical bandwidth maximum when downloading from Australian mirrors like UWA, so yes. [06:08] I saw mako's blog post, but had no idea what greyskull is, even after reading the wikipedia article :-( [06:09] oh [06:10] well MOTU comes from the He-Man cartoon show [06:10] Does it? [06:10] Castle Greyskull was a part of that cartoon [06:10] oh okay, then I have been missing that reference too [06:10] yeah, I suppose it's a cultural reference [06:10] Fujitsu: as a codename, yes. [06:11] Interesting. [06:11] we weren't always known as MOTU [06:14] "Bye the power of Greyskull..." [06:14] "I HAVE THE POWER!!" [06:14] I've never seen anything else (other the just `Ubuntu developers' or something like that) === LaserJock puts on some Queen === Fujitsu puts on some `find somebody to let gcl into dapper-proposed'. [06:16] Any ideas on who I attack for that? [06:17] what do you need? [06:17] probably no one at this point, since everyone's tied up at UDS [06:17] Fujitsu: you need an archive admin? [06:17] I don't expect any movement on that front until next week [06:17] LaserJock: the gcl upload is currently `awaiting approval by a distro manager' [06:17] ah [06:18] yes, that might take a bit [06:18] as the distro manager is having to put up with a bunch of people bugging him :-) [06:19] I suppose so. [06:22] LaserJock, Fujitsu: heard of Scibuntu? http://urban.it.hik.se/scibuntu/ [06:23] Eek. [06:23] darn it [06:23] Sounds bad. [06:23] very very bad [06:23] I love bash scripts in the morning [06:23] What is included [06:23] Tools for reading and writing scientific text: [snip] [06:23] Acroread. [06:24] Acroread included... Yuck. [06:24] ooh, sweet! [06:24] I'll just make them the bug contact for acroread... === Fujitsu stomps on crimsun and Scibuntu. [06:24] please convince them to include flashplugin-nonfree, too, and my life will be complete [06:24] what the... they don't get acroread from the repos [06:25] but by wget'ing from adobe [06:25] I don't think they have any repo [06:25] well, I *have* to have acroread === Fujitsu looks at the script, and finds a way that the creator is breaking some international law, thus getting them arrested and destroyed. [06:25] minghua: no, but acroread is in Ubuntu so you don't need to get it from adobe like that [06:25] Last updated 5 days ago... [06:25] oh I see what you mean [06:25] now now guys [06:26] someone should gently remind them that they are breaking Adobe's EULA. [06:26] we don't need to go off on a rampage... yet ;-) [06:26] `scibuntu - scientific extensions for Ubuntu 6.04 LTS' [06:27] Erm, they're trying to install treewiewx... I presume they mean treeviewx, and that's only in Edgy... [06:27] What crack. [06:27] that reminds me === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:27] I need to talk with the guys wanting to do Biobuntu [06:28] Are these guys sane? [06:28] they have -q in apt-get, so maybe there are no error messages for wrong package name [06:28] Scibuntu or Biobuntu? [06:29] LaserJock: Biobuntu, we've already ascertained the Scibuntu guy is insane. === ezsquirt [n=bowser@vol21-1-82-224-19-51.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:29] Fujitsu: he's not insane [06:29] Launchpad generates some really nice HTML: [06:29] he's simply a user wanting to help others out [06:29] apt-get should be patched to not accept -y in non-interactive mode :-) [06:29] we just need to focus such efforts in the right direction [06:29] rather then calling them insane [06:30] But but but... It's yet another crackful bash script. [06:30] sure [06:30] but I'm more interested in the intent [06:30] rather then the implementation [06:30] we can easily fix (relatively) the implementation [06:32] the hard part is focusing people's efforts in the right direction [06:32] "rather then work on a hackish script, maybe you can help us set up sane scientific tasks that all Ubuntu users can use" [06:32] That might be an idea... [06:33] these are the things we'll be trying to do for Edubuntu anyway [06:34] I just wish people would contact us before they launch into these projects [06:34] and put some *buntu all over the web for Google and the forums to pick up on [06:34] That'd be nice, rather than us finding about them later... [06:35] If we had nice forum communication, we might be able to find out about these things earlier. :/ [06:35] And get in contact with the authors early on to do things right... [06:35] *cough* ubuntustudio *cough* [06:35] Heheh. [06:36] I don't think either Scibuntu or Biobuntu were thought of on the forums though [06:36] Re: [ubuntu-uk] Project Proposal - ?Biobuntu? [06:36] mhm [06:36] why is there never the person you want around when you want them [06:36] lol [06:36] oh, btw, if anyone wants to review ;) [06:36] Mez: because that would be too easy [06:37] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3379 [06:37] Burgundavia: I was talking with joejaxx and _MMA_ at Mt. View [06:37] excellent [06:37] and [06:37] ? [06:37] Eek... That Biobuntu idea is bad. [06:37] Burgundavia: and we were kinda thinking about the idea of having some sort of derivative guidelines [06:37] that would be good [06:37] maybe a spec or something [06:38] and a contact for that [06:38] just outlining, this is the way to do it right, these are the roadblocks, etc. [06:38] somebody to go to and say "I want to deriv ubuntu" [06:38] exactly [06:39] It would be reeeally nice to have a list of derivatives... And a list of hackish scripts to install crack.. But that's never going to happen. [06:39] what do you mean? [06:39] just a listing of them? [06:39] LaserJock: [06:39] joejaxx: hello === joejaxx is sync'ing the ubuntu repos to his laptop haha [06:40] LaserJock: hello [06:40] heh, have fun with that :-) [06:40] :D [06:40] Well, I mean... Having a listing of what they are, what they're for, who's running them, etc... So we can keep track of them and advise people if they should be doing it differently. [06:40] i just started so it is on abiword right now [06:41] Fujitsu: I don't think that'd be entirely insane to do :-) [06:43] there are 3 derivative that are working towards being in the Ubuntu repos [06:43] Which are these? [06:43] I can think of a few scripted ones [06:43] Ichthux, UbuntuStudio, and Fluxbuntu [06:43] I don't fancy tracking crackful scripts... [06:43] minghua: sure, but it might be better to track then to find out later [06:43] minghua: It would be a good idea to track them. [06:43] having a list of derivative distros would be good though === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:44] but then there are derivatives like Guadalinex that is done entirely outside of Ubuntu [06:44] joejaxx, Seventeen Days later .... "openoffice... still? gah!" [06:44] but aren't hacky === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:45] Unhacky ones aren't too bad... [06:45] just difficult to keep track of === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:49] why does gurlchecker depend on libclamav1? So when I compile ClamAV 0.88.6 myself (because 0.88.4 is in the repos) and uninstall 0.88.4 from the repos, gurlchecker must be removed, and when I try to install it again, it wants to install libclamav1 but I don't want that because I've already built 0.88.6 for myself. [06:50] why does gurlchecker need libclamav1? [06:50] lotusleaf: I'm sure it has a good reason to. [06:50] I don't know, but it's a dependency === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:51] configure: --with-clamav=DIR use CLAMAV library virii scan (located in directory DIR, if supplied). default=yes, if present [06:51] Fujitsu: thanks, I know it's a dep, but I'm curious as to why it's not just an option [06:51] ^^ because it's the upstream default in ./configure [06:51] jdong: so I should build gurlchecker from source? [06:52] lotusleaf: but you should be able to install a 0.88.6 and gurlchecker will be fine [06:52] LaserJock: very well, thanks =) [06:52] Wouldn't it be a better idea to use a packaged 0.88.6? [06:52] jdong: thx for joining & detailing [06:52] lotusleaf: if you build 0.88.6 using ubuntu/debian packages, it'll still work with the new clamav [06:52] Or update the 0.88.4 package? [06:52] in theory :D [06:52] Fujitsu: that's what I'm saying [06:53] jdong: no, I haven't tried, I build it from the clamav sources @ sf [06:53] lotusleaf: Try grabbing the Debian package and building that, it'll likely work properly. [06:53] lotusleaf: build http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/clamav/clamav_0.88.5-2.dsc [06:54] Fujitsu: roger that, and thanks for your (and other people who) response(ed). [06:54] jdong: 0.88.6 has been in unstable since the 6th. [06:54] that contains the security fixes backported from 0.88.6 too [06:54] Fujitsu: oh, I wasn't aware [06:54] packages.qa.debian.org is your friend :) [06:54] oh btw, out of curiousity... [06:54] is there an "apt-get source" like script that can allow me to specify more channels than apt? [06:55] i.e. I'd like to be able to choose to fetch a source package from sid OR feisty.... [06:55] jdong: You can use dget and specify the URL to a .dsc, that'll grab and extra things. [06:55] I guess, yeah [06:55] *that and [06:55] then use packages.qa.d.o [06:55] which is more up to date [06:55] Yep. [06:56] thanks [06:56] No problem. [06:56] && again, thanks! =) [06:56] jdong: I know what you mean though [06:56] I'd like that too [06:56] LaserJock: Same, it'd be rather useful... === Fujitsu looks how MDT does its multi-distro apt-get stuff. [06:57] yeah, I'd rather just say "dget clamav/sid" and not go combing through packages.qa [06:57] but I'm just being too lazy [06:57] jdong: plans for prevu ? [06:57] it'd be nice to have a CLI that you just give the package name and it gives you Debian and Ubuntu versions [06:58] Mez: I pushed a rewrite (0.4.1) into dev... [06:58] Mez: testing it right now, looks good.... [06:58] Mez: I'd like it eventually in universe :D [06:58] Something like apt-cache madison, but for more than is in sources.list [06:58] exactly [06:58] Fujitsu: madison-lite? [06:58] Wouldn't be difficult to write. [06:58] jdong: I know - :D whichis why I have it in revu [06:58] and then dget in a similar fashion [06:59] jdong: Seems to require a local mirror. === minghua_ [n=minghua@70.253.59.97] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:59] jdong: btw: you should make the branch in ubuntu-backporters so we can all work on it - not just yours [07:00] Fujitsu: adapt http://pastebin.com/819521 [07:00] :) [07:00] it just doesn't dget [07:00] that's the last damn piece of the puzzle [07:00] Mez: yeah yeah details details :D [07:00] Nice... [07:00] Mez: is there any obvious way of moving branches to a new owner that I'm missing, or should I just re-push? [07:01] Fujitsu: backporters have been using it since Warty :D [07:01] jdong: launchpad/url/to/branch/+reassign [07:01] Mez: ah [07:02] Mez: reassigned [07:04] Mez: also reassigned debian-dir [07:04] jdong ... didnt know you;d done that yourself [07:05] Mez: did what? [07:05] nvm [07:05] jdong: btw I have a suggestion [07:05] in your shell's RC add [07:05] export DEBFULLNAME="John Dong"; [07:06] export DEBEMAIL="jdong@ubuntu.com" [07:06] ;0 [07:07] Mez: oh, lovely :) [07:07] I did notice a lot of jdong@jdong-laptop ;) [07:08] Mez: yeah :D [07:09] jdong: surely you dont need to keep bumping the version numbers? [07:09] well not like that [07:09] Mez: you know that feeling when you see a bug and want to release a fix for it? [07:09] then push it to the branch ;) [07:09] resist that feeling. [07:10] lol [07:10] killing bugs is good, but it often leads to hasty measures [07:10] jdong, RE,RO ? [07:11] jdong, are you actually making these releases proper ? [07:11] crimsun: wise words, teacher [07:11] Mez: what do you mean? [07:11] or just saying "ooh, this is a bug fix, lets bump the version number"? [07:11] jdong, RE,RO = release early, release often [07:11] Mez: well, how else would you release a bugfix? [07:12] if you mean is there a deb for each one of those, yes [07:12] http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=125877&package_id=206140 === Mez rolls eyes [07:12] I've been pushing them to SF for now [07:12] jdong, just release patches ... [07:12] Mez: hush you :) [07:13] yeah but that doesn't install as easily as dpkg -i :) [07:13] patch -p0 < patch [07:13] remember you're just using text files [07:13] yeah, that works, release as a patch against /.... [07:14] and put it this way, If I'm going to be maintaining this in ubuntu, I dont want to have to review and upload a new set of code changes every day ;) [07:14] well, either way, I'm running out of things to do to prevu :) [07:14] Mez: I don't think there's much more to come honestly [07:14] the tool does its job the way it is :) [07:15] I had one last itch to rewrite it OOP and I just scratched that [07:16] let me know when you're done and I'll trawl through the debian dir then [07:16] what else needs doing now [07:16] I have a version that disregards version constraints on build deps, but if that went into the main program I'd be the next automatix guy :D === vil [n=vladimir@catv-tisnov-86.selfnet.cz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:16] jdong... what the heck.. [07:17] Wed, 8 Nov 2006 00:28:47 -0500 = * New upstream release [07:17] Wed, 8 Nov 2006 00:02:50 -0500 = * New upstream release [07:17] Mez: one last bug slipped out? [07:17] if you'r releasing a new verison every 25 mins you can get it away from me ? :P [07:18] Mez: would you rather me leave the bug there for 2 days, have 10 users ask "what does this error mean", then fix it? :D [07:18] jdong: then send those users a patch [07:18] or give them instructions on how to get the branch [07:19] Mez: well, at this point I don't see anything that needs to be done anymore [07:19] I promise :) [07:20] I just tested it with 10 packages using all 4 source methods === Mez cleans stuff up [07:31] jdong: are you mad? [07:31] (RE: FF 2) [07:32] Erm... === Fujitsu chokes. [07:36] fluxbuntu is not a crackful script :\ [07:37] what's the context for that? === Mez laughs @ the FF2 thing [07:38] crimsun: they freakin won't take my no as an answer! [07:38] :) [07:38] crimsun: someone called it crackful script [07:40] joejaxx: in this channel? [07:40] i think so === minghua doesn't remember seeing that === WikiMan [n=MatthewV@202.183.115.107] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-65-155.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === micahcowan [n=micah@user-11fa6td.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === predius [n=predius@201.230.250.243] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:10] woohoo i hit the b's [08:10] i had to start it over === ctd_ [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jozo-_ [i=jozo@viola.uninea.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-8-102.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1_ is now known as superm1 === pygi [n=mario@83-131-71-130.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee|Remote [n=user@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kagou [n=Kagou@84.5.147.226] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp252-249.lns3.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@wall2.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu notes a flood of traffic on feisty-changes. [10:17] Fujitsu: likely one of mdz, tfheen or kamion who can't sleep and thus flushed the held queue [10:18] No, it's unfrozen. [10:18] afaik, the only people that can unfreeze it are in mTV [10:19] my explanation stands about insomnia [10:19] Maybe, but it's now unfrozen. [10:19] Probably :P [10:19] `I can't sleep. I'm going to unfreeze Feisty.' [10:19] however, the new epiphany means I am updating tomorrow === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-59-212.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:21] Burgundavia: to feisty already? [10:21] yep === CicalaMvta [n=CicalaMv@h062040154038.bad.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:21] I was planning to do so after midnight tonight. [10:22] (due to offpeak download allowance being twice as high as on-peak) [10:22] Fujitsu: you funny aussies and your "allowances" [10:22] three months ago I pulled down 30 gig [10:22] Fujitsu: it's been unfrozen for a day or two [10:22] Burgundavia: yup. i dont have that problem - i just have a capped limit [10:23] ajmitch: universe is unfrozen too? [10:23] ajmitch: So people just uploaded a gazillion things? [10:23] Gloubiboulga: The components aren't seperate, they're either all or none. [10:23] Gloubiboulga: of course, I've uploaded stuff through NEW already as well [10:23] great [10:23] ajmitch: I see libvirt, which means that the virtmanager is soonish? [10:23] Fujitsu: yes, people have had piles of stuff waiting to be uploaded, I've got a few === Fujitsu gets on with some merges, then. [10:24] Burgundavia: maybe === Burgundavia whips ajmitch (faster) :) === Hobbsee hasnt looked at merges [10:24] much === ajmitch tweaks /ignore [10:26] ajmitch: heh === animimotus [i=animimot@gateway/tor/x-12d509b27576d76f] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:27] Burgundavia: worst way to get me to do something is to nag me about it :) [10:27] Burgundavia: are you coming down at all in these last few days? [10:27] no, sadly not === Burgundavia is sad [10:28] hi [10:29] ajmitch: worst part is, work is not even busy [10:29] Hi animimotus. [10:29] a stupid question perhaps... why is it there no gnome-latest deposit like kde-latest like on kubuntu.org ? [10:29] Burgundavia: that's pretty ridiculous [10:29] animimotus: because each release, ubuntu releases with the latest gnome anyway [10:29] Burgundavia: network-auth spec is up for discussion tomorrow, I talked with mdz to get it scheduled [10:30] ajmitch: and it is a 5 hour flight. I could leave early tomorrow morning and be there by 11am [10:30] ajmitch: excellent [10:30] animimotus: the ubuntu release cycles are centred around gnome release schedules [10:30] anyway, I need to get to bed so I can get up early [10:31] Hobbsee, ok so we are sure to have always the latest gnome's development in our system ? [10:31] animimotus: yes [10:31] animimotus: yes [10:31] life is so good :) [10:32] yes, we treat you right [10:32] you develop on GNOME? [10:33] Burgundavia, not al all, I'm a simple user [10:33] ah [10:35] I have just notice some bugs on Evolution, I thought it was already declared on Launchpad but the bug is still here til several month now [10:35] animimotus: evo has the 2nd highest bug count of any part of GNOME, afaik [10:36] Burgundavia: what's the first? [10:36] gtk or nautilus, I think [10:36] ah [10:36] bringing up the stats now [10:36] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/reports/weekly-bug-summary.cgi [10:37] sorry, evo is now #1 [10:37] it's horrible :o :p the mail pages don't renderer pretty good like in Thunderbird, text sort from boxes and so on [10:37] mails not rendering is another issue entirely [10:38] due to the html rendering engine they use [10:38] frightened ^^ [10:40] basically, gtkhtml doesn't understand css [10:40] Burgundavia, I thought it was the priority because it makes not really serious : the mailbox is the first we can see when we test Gnome for the first time... Newbie should jump out their chair :D [10:40] evo is bieng worked on [10:40] Burgundavia, like Internet Explorer ? :p [10:41] novell has several people working on it from their Indian office [10:41] no, there is real working being done [10:41] but look at those bugs/opened closed numbers [10:41] so it a good novel :) [10:42] the huge numbers are mostly related to GNOME shipping a new crash tool that reports the bug to the gnome bugzilla === jinty [n=jinty@137.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === animimotus_ [i=animimot@gateway/tor/x-9d96a6256e145a48] has joined #ubuntu-motu === animimotus_ is now known as animimotus [10:47] sorry, I'm back :) [10:48] animimotus: did you see my last line, about the huge numbers of bugs? === animimotus [i=animimot@gateway/tor/x-9d96a6256e145a48] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === animimotus [i=animimot@gateway/tor/x-9d96a6256e145a48] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:49] ctrl + W... lol [10:49] erf [10:49] animimotus: did you see my last line, about the huge bug numbers? [10:49] yes I have seen the line, this bugreported can be integrated in Edgy . === mr_pouit [n=silk@LAubervilliers-151-12-125-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:50] bugreporter [10:50] ? [10:50] mr_pouit, hi dear :p [10:50] hi animimotus ;) [10:51] Burgundavia, it a friend I have, mr_pouit :p [10:51] * it's [10:51] hello [10:51] sadly I need to sleep [10:52] Burgundavia, nice night, thanks for your respons [10:52] Goodnight, Burgundavia. [10:53] well I hope that Novell can always feel free working on Evolution... now they work with (for ?) Microsoft... [10:56] I ask myselft if Evolution could be the Outlook killer :\ === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-143-185.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xerxas [n=R67894@AGrenoble-257-1-106-211.w90-9.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === snowblink [n=snowblin@wind.snowblink.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feaff900-158.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:58] moin all === Zdra [n=zdra@252.227-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:00] Gloubiboulga: hi, if you or jani are going to take care of the gxine merge, I've already pushed it to bzr. I'm away for two days. [12:00] crimsun: great, thanks :) [12:01] [https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-core-dev/+branch/gxine/ubuntu , that is] [12:01] ->airport === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp252-249.lns3.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:05] are we able to start merging for feisty yet? === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-8-102.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:06] yes [12:06] ok ty i guess nows a good time to try my hand at it again === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shinchandmc [n=daniel@62.14.129.93] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shinchandmc [n=daniel@62.14.129.93] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zdra [n=zdra@252.227-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgmobile [n=jsgmobil@125.212.63.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-59-212.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tarzeau [n=tarzeau@80-219-77-183.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:44] where can i find a person who maintains the ubuntu package that i get bug reports about? [12:44] i maintain it in debian, and it works perfect for me, but ubuntu removes files and makes the software not work anymore [12:44] this is really annoying to me, because i have no chance to fix bugs in ubuntu [12:45] tarzeau: which package is it? [12:46] Gloubiboulga: gtamsanalyzer.app [12:46] the bug reporter says there's no binaries in the package [12:46] but there is for me in mine [12:46] guess i'll just tell him to use debian and this url: http://people.debian.org/~daniel//documents/ubuntu.html [12:47] i have no shell account on any ubuntu systems, nor do i know a person i can redirect him to [12:47] strange, because we use your package [12:47] http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/g/gtamsanalyzer.app/gtamsanalyzer.app_0.42-3/changelog [12:47] dpkg -L gtamsanalyzer.app | wc -l [12:47] can you tell me what that gives to you? [12:47] sure, let me install it [12:47] then it must be this users problem [12:48] he says he has 0.42-3 [12:48] gauvain@joe:~/dev/paquets/pyxfce$ dpkg -L gtamsanalyzer.app | wc -l [12:48] 26 [12:48] but wait [12:49] looking at dpkg -L gtamsanalyzer.app , it has no Application folder anymore [12:50] I'm really not familiar with all these .app apps [12:50] Gloubiboulga: that's fine, there really is a problem, i'm checking it [12:50] ok [12:51] yeah -2 had the files, -3 doesn't anymore [12:53] haha i know what's wrong [12:54] my sponsor would tells me how to do things, then i do it, but of course he doesn't check if the changes HE wanted so much would break anything (oh well, i'll fix this) [12:55] sorry to bother [12:57] no problem [01:32] re motus [01:32] hey sivang! === sivang hugs Hobbsee [01:33] Hobbsee: how's it going ? [01:33] :) === Hobbsee hugs sivang back [01:33] sivang: good, assignments and the like [01:33] Hobbsee: assignemnets? [01:33] siu [01:33] sivang: uni [01:33] sivang: exams next week [01:33] Hobbsee: ah :) [01:33] Hobbsee: good === sivang wonders who was mario_ that pinged earlier today [01:34] (on -devel) [01:34] i've finished the last assignmetn, and am wondering what to do nwo :P [01:34] heh [01:35] Hobbsee: wanna help a rocking desktop backup solution ? ;) [01:35] maybe [01:35] sivang: i can tell you what files you need to remove for a restore for kde to work :) [01:35] and get your hands dirty with some cool yet highly readable and understandable python code? :) [01:35] my python skills arent good [01:35] Hobbsee: feel free to add this on the wiki page, or else it'll get los t:) [01:35] however, i'd like a look [01:36] Hobbsee: please, do, if you have ANY questions, you know I'm more then happy to answer you [01:36] hello sivang [01:36] hi Gloubiboulga ! [01:36] Gloubiboulga: how you benen doing mate? [01:36] Gloubiboulga: are you in uds-mtv ? [01:36] sivang: unfortunately no [01:37] sivang: someone on a -fr chan seems interested in hubackup and would know if it will we able to backup /etc at some point [01:38] sivang: are you in uds-mtv by the way ? [01:38] Gloubiboulga: it would, yes, the fesity+1 goal for is to be able to do systeam area backups [01:39] sivang: where is this wiki? [01:40] Hobbsee: wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup? [01:40] ;-) [01:40] ah [01:40] sivang: ok, great :) [01:41] Hobbsee: if you plan to get dirty with PyQT, then you already know that my dear dear friend Jonathan would be exciting to see QT frontend [01:41] hehe [01:41] sivang: i know almost *none* of python, so... [01:42] then again, i do have uni break soon... [01:42] Hobbsee: python is nothiing to be known :) === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:42] well, yeah, but still [01:42] Hobbsee: you just start talking to it and it will flow, trust me ;) [01:43] hey guys [01:43] Hobbsee: really, this is not joke [01:44] Hobbsee: it's like the nicest going language I've put my hands on to [01:44] hey jsgotangco :) [01:44] sivang: yes, so i've seen, from the little i've played with it === Hobbsee is still reading the wiki page [01:44] python? [01:45] sivang: found the first bug [01:45] jsgotangco: yes [01:45] Hobbsee: ? [01:45] sivang: "otherwise you could loose " in one of the screenshots - should be "lose" [01:45] and s/an/a/ [01:45] in that same screenshot [01:46] Hobbsee: well, sudo apt-get hubackup, see if the error is there as well, if you can't find the error there, then just open a typo bug. [01:46] sivang: you've not got english as a first language, right? [01:46] yep [01:46] i've only got edgy on here, will that do? [01:46] Hobbsee: no, I have not :) [01:46] didnt think so [01:46] Hobbsee: sure! edgy has the latest development in it [01:47] Hobbsee: but the screenshots were not made by me [01:47] Hobbsee: so you can't blame me for this :p [01:47] yep [01:47] haha [01:48] Hobbsee: also, I think I'm far from considering typo bugs to be real bugs yet ! :-p [01:48] hehe [01:49] yeah, that's true [01:49] i just noticed them - it's a pet peeve of mine [01:49] work's terrible with them [01:52] Hobbsee: it's a good thing you notice them, file respective bugs :) I almost didn't touch any of the widgets since glatzor provided them to me, so most probably the bug is apparent in the software itself. [01:52] sivang: right === reggaemanu_ is now known as reggaemanu === jrib [n=jasonr@unaffiliated/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@adsl-69-153-134-200.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marian-o [n=mariano@host145.201-253-6.telecom.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu === geser [n=michael@dialin105056.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === guru_ [n=Adri2000@lns-bzn-52-82-65-64-169.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-8-102.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kiko [n=kiko@68.178.34.180] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:27] hey there [02:27] ajmitch, can you rescue me from bug 30701 again? [02:27] Malone bug 30701 in zodb "python2.4-zodb should depend on python2.4-zopeinterface?" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/30701 [02:27] kiko: he's asleep === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu is now known as reggaemanu-away [02:45] Hi! Could someone tell me how I can sign packages when building with pbuilder? Is there an option I can add to pbuilderrc? === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fdoving [n=frode@edge.lnix.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] xopher: you have to sign during the debuild -S (source package) [02:58] so extending DEBBUILDOPTS="-sa" to DEBBUILDOPTS="-sa --debsign-k user@mail.com" ? === fbond [n=fab@pool-72-92-138-194.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pirast [n=martin@p508B247F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@200165128209.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:19] xopher: i think i had to do that once. i cant remember if i set it in ~/.pbuilderrc or ~/.gnupg though [03:19] geser, what does SRU mean? [03:19] hmm, ok, what about the DEBSIGN= option? [03:20] (S)table (R)elease (U)pdate [03:21] jonh_wendell: see also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Acronyms for some other used acronyms [03:24] geser: if you want, you can put the new .deb for octplot in somewhere so that a friend of mine can test it [03:24] the one for AMD64? [03:26] geser: hummm i guess he uses 386... [03:27] I will see I can rebuild it for i386 also [03:29] geser: no chance of new version (from debian) enter in edgy-updates, right? [03:30] hard to say, it depends how the MOTU-SRU team decides === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:31] Hi all !!!! === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-9-225.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:32] as octplot is currently uninstallable in edgy and if the new version works (and the rebuild one not) it might get in [03:33] geser: that's great [03:36] i've just uploaded enblend, with enable image blending in hugin [03:36] please review [03:37] oh [03:37] f*** [03:37] dput automatically upload to ubuntu [03:37] not revu [03:37] :| === fbond [n=fab@pool-72-92-138-194.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:39] ok [03:39] i uploaded enblend 2.5 to revu [03:39] seems its not shown at revu.tauware.de [03:40] siretart: ping [03:40] bersace: You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I'll respond when I am around. === G0SUB [i=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/gosub] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:41] siretart: ? === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-29-19.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:41] bersace: your package is currently in incoming === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:41] Adri2000: any url ? [03:42] ftp://revu.tauware.de/incoming/ but it is not anymore [03:42] got it [03:42] :) [03:42] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3388 [03:43] oh [03:44] seems that enblend had already package candidate :\ [03:45] but very old === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sdrik [n=chatzill@ip-93-4.dsl.newel.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@moodiegate.xandros.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-29-19.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === fbond [n=fab@pool-72-92-138-194.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:11] morning all [04:17] Hi ajmitch [04:17] hey [04:17] fesity is accepting new packages already ? [04:17] got dist-upgrade itch? heh [04:18] yes, new packages are being accepted [04:19] ajmitch, did the MOTU/SRU process get defined the last few days? I remember seeing chatter that it was supposed to be finished over the weekend, but I haven't looked into it yet === lupine_85 [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] superm1: I believe so, I'm not entirely sure since I'm not in the sru team [04:19] do you know who was put on it? [04:20] yes, look at https://launchpad.net/people/motu-sru === lophyte [n=dsulliva@ubuntu/member/lophyte] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:21] ajmitch, so I can start packaging some new stuff [04:21] didn't knew about it ! [04:21] :) === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:25] Heya gang [04:26] hey bddebian [04:26] Hi lfittl === ubuntu_demon [n=depjayds@38.99.84.33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:44] test === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:53] bersace: yes? [04:53] siretart: i've uploaded another debianisation of enblend [04:53] i didn't saw it where already uploaded [04:53] would be nice to have it included universe [04:54] bersace: yes === reggaemanu-away is now known as reggaemanu === Lure [n=lure@38.99.84.33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pingar [n=saltvik@ti500720a080-7973.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@84.251.177.83] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mlpug [n=user@a84-231-238-186.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.186.143.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@200165128209.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:25] geser: should i test the 0.3.5 or 0.3.9 ? === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-8-102.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar_ is now known as jaldhar [05:39] jonh_wendell: if possible both === schultmc [n=schultmc@216-54-159-97.static.twtelecom.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubuntu_demon [i=depjayds@conference/ubuntuconf/x-c534439f869c1718] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:41] if you can verify that 0.3.5 is broken and 0.3.9 works, the motu-sru team has more reasons to accept it into edgy-updates [05:43] geser: ok, i've invited my friend to test both; i'll inform you the results [05:43] geser: thanks [05:44] please add the results also to the bug report === predius__ [n=predius@201.230.250.243] has joined #ubuntu-motu === schultmc [n=schultmc@216-54-159-97.static.twtelecom.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:45] geser: ok === schultmc [n=schultmc@216-54-159-97.static.twtelecom.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb1fb00-83.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [i=travis@conference/ubuntuconf/x-8e33861c57c42c7b] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=alessand@host52-173-static.120-81-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [i=lure@conference/ubuntuconf/x-25a767d99346efa5] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [i=chuck@conference/ubuntuconf/x-c3f7d0970bc1e551] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [i=daniel@conference/ubuntuconf/x-7ce2f0d1057adf75] has joined #ubuntu-motu === forgueaj [i=andrew@conference/ubuntuconf/x-258e9fe209c44e51] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-29-19.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [i=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-29-19.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chrisj [i=tortoise@conference/ubuntuconf/x-c915cdda8a581351] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [i=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === guru_ [n=Adri2000@lns-bzn-24-82-64-187-169.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === redguy [n=mati@public-gprs19093.centertel.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === martijn [n=martijn@200.57.22.241] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:51] Hello, I'd like to get my hands dirty building some packages :) I'm trying to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingBasics, But I have troubles setting up pbuilder. [06:52] I get "E: debootstrap does not exist, install or change DEBOOTSTRAP option" [06:52] martijn, sudo apt-get install pbuilder [06:52] I did that already [06:53] Oh wait, I didn't install debootstrap :) [06:53] ;) [06:53] it should be a dependency I though [06:53] ei ajmitch [06:53] Maybe a bug? === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:54] Depends: debootstrap | cdebootstrap, wget, gcc, debianutils (>= 1.13.1), coreutils (>= 4.5.8-1) [06:54] Does setting up a pbuilder environment require a lot of downloading? I'm not on a great internet connection [06:54] martijn, not much - but a bit, as does using it [06:54] martijn, how did you install pbuildeR? [06:55] sudo apt-get install pbuilder. I just repeated that command when you mentioned it before, and it reported "pbuilder is already the newest version" [06:55] martijn: the base.tgz has about 80 MB [06:55] then I did "sudo apt-get install debuilder", just for good measure, and it started installing that. [06:56] I mean debootstrap === fdoving suggest cowbuilder (wrapper for pbuilder, it's in the cowdancer package) [06:57] fdoving: thanks, but I think I'll start by following the Packagingbasics tutorial step by step === p-ingar [n=saltvik@ti500720a080-10052.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:02] hey kiko [07:04] hey ajmitch === dholbach [i=daniel@conference/ubuntuconf/x-90e876257ed03f48] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ezsquirt [n=bowser@vol21-1-82-224-19-51.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gazer [n=gazer@mail.aktiv-assekuranz.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lloydinho [i=andreas@conference/ubuntuconf/x-63810e6d5c893444] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [i=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:12] Mez, I just checked: I had cdebootstrap installed, so that is why it didn't install debootstrap === hub [n=hub@moodiegate.xandros.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:13] ajmitch! [07:14] was wondering if I could interest you in bug 30701 [07:14] Malone bug 30701 in zodb "python2.4-zodb should depend on python2.4-zopeinterface?" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/30701 [07:16] question: after pbuilder finished, the result is in base.tgz, right? Can I copy this file around between systems so I don't have to download everything again? === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.186.143.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [i=chuck@conference/ubuntuconf/x-253aa75416ea0c21] has joined #ubuntu-motu === martijn is now known as amarillion [07:28] If I want to get a package into REVU, does it matter for which ubuntu version I build it? Only feisty, or also edgy/dapper? [07:32] it needs to be built for feisty === ogra [i=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajforgue [n=andrew@adsl-67-125-69-250.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU === pingar [n=saltvik@ti500720a080-10052.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === psusi [i=hidden-u@iriserv.iradimed.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:02] is universe open for upload in feisty ? [08:03] Zdra: yes [08:03] I don't think so yet [08:03] it is? [08:03] hmm, could be, I hadn't noticed [08:03] I think yes, Gloubiboulga have just uploaded a package in universe for me [08:03] it's kinda pointless at the moment, IMO === Zdra wants telepathy updates :) [08:04] Zdra: what do you mean? [08:04] now that universe is open we can upload new telepathy-* updates :) [08:05] sure, but I don't think it's of much use right now === Amaranth [i=travis@conference/ubuntuconf/x-9b6e02f39802542b] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:05] I don't know if the tool chain is stable yet [08:06] LaserJock: main has many uploads now so I guess the toolchain is ok ... [08:06] well [08:06] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+source/brasero/0.5.0-0ubuntu1 < that's universe :) [08:06] Adri2000: ah, I did see that one roll by today [08:07] I'm just waiting until after the UDS is over [08:07] the archive admins are so very busy right now I don't want to put any load on them === geser [n=michael@leary.ping.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:12] question: after pbuilder finished, the result is in base.tgz, right? Can I copy this file around between systems so I don't have to download everything again? [08:12] yes [08:12] well, the base.tgz is the pbuilder [08:13] ok great. [08:13] For me, it takes quite a while to set up. [08:13] yep [08:13] It's running for over an hour now [08:14] it's making a minimal Ubuntu install so it can take a while [08:14] Hello Everyone [08:14] hi joejaxx [08:14] I'm going to try to package a few allegro plugins. I think they will make useful packages. [08:14] i hope you all are doing well [08:14] :D [08:14] LaserJock: hello [08:14] joejaxx: how's the BOFs today? [08:15] they are well [08:15] Allegro is a game programming library [08:15] i just came from the ubuntustudio bof [08:15] joejaxx: there was one scheduled? [08:15] cool [08:15] yeah [08:15] 10am [08:17] well the mirror stopped at kdenetworkconf [08:17] failed:Unkown command. [08:17] hey joejaxx, got my mail? === zwnj [n=zwnj@194.225.70.57] has joined #ubuntu-motu === joejaxx checks email === zwnj [n=zwnj@194.225.70.57] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [08:18] kiko: i might have i have to go through the 63 new emails i just received [08:20] kiko: yes i have [08:20] argg, there's a MOTU BOF right now? [08:20] kiko: thank you :) [08:20] joejaxx, good! 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[09:53] zul: it's a nifty little script that just does a bit apt-get install ... [09:53] plus install acroread straight from Adobe [09:53] and 1 other app that I have no idea what it is [09:53] hi joejaxx [09:57] cool...lunch time [10:01] LaserJock: Our forums? === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:03] Fujitsu: ubuntuforums.org [10:03] Education and Science subforum [10:03] LaserJock: I just found the thread :( [10:03] I'm writing a reply right now [10:03] Oh god. [10:03] Somebody suggested adding it to the wiki. [10:03] We're doomed now. [10:04] How nice of it to break Beryl. [10:04] It's crack vs. crack! [10:04] what is the "reaction to the burn effect" [10:04] that whiprush just blogged [10:05] what broke beryl? [10:06] gnomefreak: That Scibuntu script. [10:06] scibuntu [10:06] Grrreat. Somebody complaining that texmacs won't install, because they've compiled emacs from CVS. [10:06] i didnt know there was one [10:06] gnomefreak: Neither did we until yesterday. [10:07] well, it looks like it got started on the 4th [10:08] so not a lot of time for people to hear about it ;-) [10:08] Have you replied to that thread? [10:08] And should we run off an email to Mr. Scibuntu himself? [10:08] working on it [10:08] trying to figure out how to politely say "This is insane" === gnomefreak thinks mr science should have wrote the script to where it didnt break things? [10:10] other than the child education science stuff i didnt know there was science apps. are they all written by 3rd parties? [10:10] gnomefreak: Check https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience. [10:10] That's a list of all science stuff. [10:10] ty [10:10] Oops, add a /+packagebugs to the end of that. [10:11] Also: [10:11] http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/feisty/all.html === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:11] That's probably a better list. [10:11] ok, replied [10:11] i hope so theres nothing on the first page after hitting packages :) [10:11] gnomefreak: MOTU Science looks after > 450 science related packages === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:12] omg === mario_ [n=mario@83-131-77-248.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:12] we could include more [10:13] but we have quite enough as it is [10:13] We do. === Fujitsu checks bug stats. [10:13] 165 open bugs... :( === Fujitsu mauls TeX, Gnumeric and LyX. === LaserJock is updating the lists === lophyte [n=dsulliva@ubuntu/member/lophyte] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:26] who is working on beryl? [10:28] several people I think === pygi [n=mario@83-131-77-248.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:29] quinn storm is the main one I think [10:31] How odd... The BeautifulSoup on my server in the US seems to have decided it wants to return Null for everything. [10:31] LaserJock: also for Ubuntu? i was wondering if a motu wanted upload it. [10:32] giskard: I believe quinn has been working with several people here [10:32] Fujitsu: excellent :( [10:32] So I can't run my bug page parser there, to get the statuses etc. of science bugs :( [10:33] LaserJock: i know that reggaemanu and Amaranth are working on it, but they are not motu afaik :( i'd be happy to sponsor it. [10:33] any motu can sponsor it [10:34] LaserJock: yes :) === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:36] Fujitsu: edgy, feisty, and bug list updated [10:37] LaserJock: Why not put it on a cron job or three? [10:38] Fujitsu: at the moment I'm still transferring it from my box [10:38] and I haven't gotten passwordless ssh [10:38] yet [10:39] I can at least do a cron to create the lists here [10:39] I've just never cronned anything so I just never thing to do it ;-) [10:39] Why don't you create the lists on tiber, rather than transferring them to there? [10:40] Fujitsu: because tiber doesn't have the mdt we need [10:40] Ah. [10:40] I run a private version in my home directory, in fact. === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:41] hmm, that's a thought [10:41] You just need to reconfigure it to point to the correct module directory. 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