[03:19] <fbond> crimsun, BTW usbdevfs was not enabled by default in edgy
[03:20] <fbond> so users of midisport-firmware must mount it to use their devices
[03:21] <fbond> not sure if I should file a bug ... ?
[03:33] <lastnode> crimsun, ping
[04:17] <LaserJock> hi minghua
[04:32] <crimsun> fbond: no, not a bug
[04:32] <crimsun> gah.
[05:39] <LaserJock> hmm, does anybody know if network manager has issues with reporting signal strength?
[05:39] <Burgundavia> which chipset?
[05:44] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: Atheros R5212
[05:45] <LaserJock> my internet seems a bit slow
[05:45] <Burgundavia> madwifi has known issues, LaserJock
[05:45] <Burgundavia> it reports bogus numbers
[05:45] <LaserJock> but the router is not very far away at all
[05:45] <crimsun> have you explicitly set it to 11M?
[05:45] <Burgundavia> it is the driver
[05:45] <LaserJock> when I was just using the gnome thingy it reported large number
[05:46] <crimsun> "the gnome thingy" being...?
[05:46] <LaserJock> the applet
[05:46] <Burgundavia> the default one?
[05:46] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:47] <LaserJock> I'm just trying to figure out if it's n-m
[05:47] <LaserJock> or if my wireless needs to be reset or something
[05:47] <crimsun> if it's edgy, and it's madwifi*, then it's edgy.
[05:47] <crimsun> for many people, madwifi* is broken in 2.6.17
[05:48] <LaserJock> the gnome applet "Network Monitor" reports 79% for the signal strength
[05:48] <LaserJock> n-m show 35%
[05:48] <Burgundavia> gnome applet may be special casing the madwifi driver
[05:48] <Fujitsu> Iiiinteresting.
[05:49] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: What does iwconfig say?
[05:49] <Burgundavia> I know danw has refused patches to special case the madwifi driver in nm
[05:49] <minghua> maybe n-m just uses 5-base or something
[05:49] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: oh geeze, what am I looking for?
[05:49] <Fujitsu> Link Quality=72/100
[05:49] <LaserJock> oh yeah, 35/94
[05:50] <Fujitsu> Erm, out of 94!?
[05:50] <LaserJock> so that's what n-m is reporting
[05:50] <Fujitsu> madwifi does seem rather stuffed.
[05:50] <Burgundavia> the driver lies
[05:50] <Fujitsu> And GNOME's thingy is special casing.
[05:50] <LaserJock> ok, well I was just wondering if I was going nuts or something ;-)
[05:51] <LaserJock> Mt. View was the first time I've really done anything with wireless
[05:51] <LaserJock> at home I just now the SSID and don't have to mess with anything
[05:51] <LaserJock> s/now/know//
[05:52] <LaserJock> I felt rather dumb sitting next to mako
[05:52] <LaserJock> and I was struggling with n-m
[05:53] <Fujitsu> That is a side-effect of being around almighty Ubuntu people.
[05:53] <LaserJock> heh, well he was always dropping his laptop
[05:54] <LaserJock> so at least I didn't pick that habit up
[05:54] <crimsun> you won't be able to tell until your fifth macbook anyhow.
[05:54] <crimsun> by that point we'll all be mocking you anyhow.
[05:54] <LaserJock> heh
[05:54] <LaserJock> I don't know if I'll be getting a macbook anytime soon
[05:55] <LaserJock> I did get a anti-drm sticker from mako at that BOF though
[05:55] <Fujitsu> Was anybody there running {Windows,OS X,[insert other Linux distributions here] } on their laops?
[05:55] <LaserJock> so it was worth it ;-)
[05:55] <Fujitsu> *laptops
[05:55] <Burgundavia> some OS X I imagine
[05:55] <Burgundavia> mpt ran it last year
[05:55] <LaserJock> well, there were certainly dual boots
[05:56] <LaserJock> the K12LTSP guys were running K12LTSP (no way!)
[05:56] <Burgundavia> stunning
[05:56] <LaserJock> the Sun guys had a nice Ubuntu machine
[05:57] <LaserJock> I wasn't around long enough to see what the ATI and Nvidia people brought ;-)
[05:57] <LaserJock> I was really amazed by the Sun Looking Glass demo
[05:57] <LaserJock> I had seen a demo early on
[05:58] <LaserJock> but never really bothered since it was Java
[05:58] <LaserJock> but there were some interesting things they are doing that I think are usable
[05:59] <LaserJock> the "map a window onto a flag" one was purely crack ;-)
[05:59] <LaserJock> but things like flipping a window and on the back side you have notes
[05:59] <Fujitsu> Mm, nice.
[05:59] <LaserJock> and panoramic views of the desktops seemed more practical
[06:00] <LaserJock> heh, at the end somebody asked "Does it work on a free Java?" :-)
[06:00] <Fujitsu> Hahah.
[06:01] <LaserJock> but I don't think I'm quite there yet
[06:01] <LaserJock> the blingy stuff seems like it has some potential, but I don't really see using it for everyday use yet
[06:02] <minghua> hmm, so when I close the window do I lose my notes?
[06:02] <LaserJock> good question
[06:02] <LaserJock> I imagine they take care of that somehow
[06:03] <LaserJock> to me it looked more usable then the whole AIGLX/beryl thing I tried
[06:03] <LaserJock> but in the end I mostly just use terminals and firefox
[06:04] <LaserJock> I got to see one of the OLPC laptops, Ivan had one
[06:04] <LaserJock> pretty sweet
[06:04] <Fujitsu> How was it?
[06:04] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[06:04] <LaserJock> green :-)
[06:04] <LaserJock> mhm
[06:04] <Fujitsu> Or it might actually be 128kbps at the moment...
[06:05] <LaserJock> I generally have 128kbps I think
[06:05] <LaserJock> it really stinks
[06:05] <Fujitsu> 10Mbps down, 256kbps up... Not nice when you have to upload stuff frequently, but better than most connections here.
[06:06] <LaserJock> did you guys see the Council Greyskull planet post of mako's
[06:06] <LaserJock> 10Mbps is cool
[06:06] <LaserJock> I've only got 1.5
[06:06] <Fujitsu> 10Mbps isn't so great when you live in Oz.
[06:06] <Fujitsu> Because the international connection is... pathetic?
[06:06] <LaserJock> ah
[06:07] <LaserJock> I still don't get the AU/NZ internet situation
[06:07] <Fujitsu> Basically, any international connectivity sucks.
[06:07] <Fujitsu> Generally fairly high latency, and slow.
[06:07] <LaserJock> local stuff is really good though?
[06:08] <Fujitsu> I always hit my theoretical bandwidth maximum when downloading from Australian mirrors like UWA, so yes.
[06:08] <minghua> I saw mako's blog post, but had no idea what greyskull is, even after reading the wikipedia article :-(
[06:09] <LaserJock> oh
[06:10] <LaserJock> well MOTU comes from the He-Man cartoon show
[06:10] <Fujitsu> Does it?
[06:10] <LaserJock> Castle Greyskull was a part of that cartoon
[06:10] <minghua> oh okay, then I have been missing that reference too
[06:10] <LaserJock> yeah, I suppose it's a cultural reference
[06:10] <crimsun> Fujitsu: as a codename, yes.
[06:11] <Fujitsu> Interesting.
[06:11] <crimsun> we weren't always known as MOTU
[06:14] <bddebian> "Bye the power of Greyskull..."
[06:14] <bddebian> "I HAVE THE POWER!!"
[06:14] <Fujitsu> I've never seen anything else (other the just `Ubuntu developers' or something like that)
[06:16] <Fujitsu> Any ideas on who I attack for that?
[06:17] <LaserJock> what do you need?
[06:17] <crimsun> probably no one at this point, since everyone's tied up at UDS
[06:17] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: you need an archive admin?
[06:17] <crimsun> I don't expect any movement on that front until next week
[06:17] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: the gcl upload is currently `awaiting approval by a distro manager'
[06:17] <LaserJock> ah
[06:18] <LaserJock> yes, that might take a bit
[06:18] <LaserJock> as the distro manager is having to put up with a bunch of people bugging him :-)
[06:19] <Fujitsu> I suppose so.
[06:22] <minghua> LaserJock, Fujitsu: heard of Scibuntu?  http://urban.it.hik.se/scibuntu/
[06:23] <Fujitsu> Eek.
[06:23] <LaserJock> darn it
[06:23] <Fujitsu> Sounds bad.
[06:23] <Burgundavia> very very bad
[06:23] <Burgundavia> I love bash scripts in the morning
[06:23] <Fujitsu> What is included
[06:23] <Fujitsu>  Tools for reading and writing scientific text: [snip] 
[06:23] <Fujitsu> Acroread.
[06:24] <Fujitsu> Acroread included... Yuck.
[06:24] <crimsun> ooh, sweet!
[06:24] <crimsun> I'll just make them the bug contact for acroread...
[06:24] <crimsun> please convince them to include flashplugin-nonfree, too, and my life will be complete
[06:24] <LaserJock> what the... they don't get acroread from the repos
[06:25] <LaserJock> but by wget'ing from adobe
[06:25] <minghua> I don't think they have any repo
[06:25] <LaserJock> well, I *have* to have acroread
[06:25] <LaserJock> minghua: no, but acroread is in Ubuntu so you don't need to get it from adobe like that
[06:25] <Fujitsu> Last updated 5 days ago...
[06:25] <minghua> oh I see what you mean
[06:25] <LaserJock> now now guys
[06:26] <crimsun> someone should gently remind them that they are breaking Adobe's EULA.
[06:26] <LaserJock> we don't need to go off on a rampage... yet ;-)
[06:26] <Fujitsu> `scibuntu - scientific extensions for Ubuntu 6.04 LTS'
[06:27] <Fujitsu> Erm, they're trying to install treewiewx... I presume they mean treeviewx, and that's only in Edgy...
[06:27] <Fujitsu> What crack.
[06:27] <LaserJock> that reminds me
[06:27] <LaserJock> I need to talk with the guys wanting to do Biobuntu
[06:28] <Fujitsu> Are these guys sane?
[06:28] <minghua> they have -q in apt-get, so maybe there are no error messages for wrong package name
[06:28] <LaserJock> Scibuntu or Biobuntu?
[06:29] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Biobuntu, we've already ascertained the Scibuntu guy is insane.
[06:29] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: he's not insane
[06:29] <Fujitsu> Launchpad generates some really nice HTML: <tr class="">
[06:29] <LaserJock> he's simply a user wanting to help others out
[06:29] <minghua> apt-get should be patched to not accept -y in non-interactive mode :-)
[06:29] <LaserJock> we just need to focus such efforts in the right direction
[06:29] <LaserJock> rather then calling them insane
[06:30] <Fujitsu> But but but... It's yet another crackful bash script.
[06:30] <LaserJock> sure
[06:30] <LaserJock> but I'm more interested in the intent
[06:30] <LaserJock> rather then the implementation
[06:30] <LaserJock> we can easily fix (relatively)  the implementation
[06:32] <LaserJock> the hard part is focusing people's efforts in the right direction
[06:32] <LaserJock> "rather then work on a hackish script, maybe you can help us set up sane scientific tasks that all Ubuntu users can use"
[06:32] <Fujitsu> That might be an idea...
[06:33] <LaserJock> these are the things we'll be trying to do for Edubuntu anyway
[06:34] <LaserJock> I just wish people would contact us before they launch into these projects
[06:34] <LaserJock> and put some *buntu all over the web for Google and the forums to pick up on
[06:34] <Fujitsu> That'd be nice, rather than us finding about them later...
[06:35] <Fujitsu> If we had nice forum communication, we might be able to find out about these things earlier. :/
[06:35] <Fujitsu> And get in contact with the authors early on to do things right...
[06:35] <Burgundavia> *cough* ubuntustudio *cough*
[06:35] <Fujitsu> Heheh.
[06:36] <LaserJock> I don't think either Scibuntu or Biobuntu were thought of on the forums though
[06:36] <Fujitsu> Re: [ubuntu-uk]  Project Proposal - ?Biobuntu?
[06:36] <LaserJock> mhm
[06:36] <Mez> why is there never the person you want around when you want them
[06:36] <Mez> lol
[06:36] <Mez> oh, btw, if anyone wants to review ;)
[06:36] <LaserJock> Mez: because that would be too easy
[06:37] <Mez> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3379
[06:37] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: I was talking with joejaxx and _MMA_ at Mt. View
[06:37] <Burgundavia> excellent
[06:37] <Burgundavia> and
[06:37] <Burgundavia> ?
[06:37] <Fujitsu> Eek... That Biobuntu idea is bad.
[06:37] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: and we were kinda thinking about the idea of having some sort of derivative guidelines
[06:37] <Burgundavia> that would be good
[06:37] <LaserJock> maybe a spec or something
[06:38] <Burgundavia> and a contact for that
[06:38] <LaserJock> just outlining, this is the way to do it right, these are the roadblocks, etc.
[06:38] <Burgundavia> somebody to go to and say "I want to deriv ubuntu"
[06:38] <LaserJock> exactly
[06:39] <Fujitsu> It would be reeeally nice to have a list of derivatives... And a list of hackish scripts to install crack.. But that's never going to happen.
[06:39] <LaserJock> what do you mean?
[06:39] <LaserJock> just a listing of them?
[06:39] <joejaxx> LaserJock:
[06:39] <LaserJock> joejaxx: hello
[06:40] <joejaxx> LaserJock: hello
[06:40] <LaserJock> heh, have fun with that :-)
[06:40] <joejaxx> :D
[06:40] <Fujitsu> Well, I mean... Having a listing of what they are, what they're for, who's running them, etc... So we can keep track of them and advise people if they should be doing it differently.
[06:40] <joejaxx> i just started so it is on abiword right now
[06:41] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I don't think that'd be entirely insane to do :-)
[06:43] <LaserJock> there are 3 derivative that are working towards being in the Ubuntu repos
[06:43] <Fujitsu> Which are these?
[06:43] <LaserJock> I can think of a few scripted ones
[06:43] <LaserJock> Ichthux, UbuntuStudio, and Fluxbuntu
[06:43] <minghua> I don't fancy tracking crackful scripts...
[06:43] <LaserJock> minghua: sure, but it might be better to track then to find out later
[06:43] <Fujitsu> minghua: It would be a good idea to track them.
[06:43] <minghua> having a list of derivative distros would be good though
[06:44] <LaserJock> but then there are derivatives like Guadalinex that is done entirely outside of Ubuntu
[06:44] <Mez> joejaxx, Seventeen Days later .... "openoffice... still? gah!"
[06:44] <LaserJock> but aren't hacky
[06:45] <Fujitsu> Unhacky ones aren't too bad...
[06:45] <LaserJock> just difficult to keep track of
[06:49] <lotusleaf> why does gurlchecker depend on libclamav1? So when I compile ClamAV 0.88.6 myself (because 0.88.4 is in the repos) and uninstall 0.88.4 from the repos, gurlchecker must be removed, and when I try to install it again, it wants to install libclamav1 but I don't want that because I've already built 0.88.6 for myself.
[06:50] <lotusleaf> why does gurlchecker need libclamav1?
[06:50] <Fujitsu> lotusleaf: I'm sure it has a good reason to.
[06:50] <LaserJock> I don't know, but it's a dependency
[06:51] <jdong> configure:  --with-clamav=DIR        use CLAMAV library virii scan (located in directory DIR, if supplied).   default=yes, if present
[06:51] <lotusleaf> Fujitsu: thanks, I know it's a dep, but I'm curious as to why it's not just an option
[06:51] <jdong> ^^ because it's the upstream default in ./configure
[06:51] <lotusleaf> jdong: so I should build gurlchecker from source?
[06:52] <LaserJock> lotusleaf: but you should be able to install a 0.88.6 and gurlchecker will be fine
[06:52] <lotusleaf> LaserJock: very well, thanks =)
[06:52] <Fujitsu> Wouldn't it be a better idea to use a packaged 0.88.6?
[06:52] <lotusleaf> jdong: thx for joining & detailing
[06:52] <jdong> lotusleaf: if you build 0.88.6 using ubuntu/debian packages, it'll still work with the new clamav
[06:52] <Fujitsu> Or update the 0.88.4 package?
[06:52] <jdong> in theory :D
[06:52] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: that's what I'm saying
[06:53] <lotusleaf> jdong: no, I haven't tried, I build it from the clamav sources @ sf
[06:53] <Fujitsu> lotusleaf: Try grabbing the Debian package and building that, it'll likely work properly.
[06:53] <jdong> lotusleaf: build http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/clamav/clamav_0.88.5-2.dsc
[06:54] <lotusleaf> Fujitsu: roger that, and thanks for your (and other people who) response(ed).
[06:54] <Fujitsu> jdong: 0.88.6 has been in unstable since the 6th.
[06:54] <jdong> that contains the security fixes backported from 0.88.6 too
[06:54] <jdong> Fujitsu: oh, I wasn't aware
[06:54] <Fujitsu> packages.qa.debian.org is your friend :)
[06:54] <jdong> oh btw, out of curiousity...
[06:54] <jdong> is there an "apt-get source" like script that can allow me to specify more channels than apt?
[06:55] <jdong> i.e. I'd like to be able to choose to fetch a source package from sid OR feisty....
[06:55] <Fujitsu> jdong: You can use dget and specify the URL to a .dsc, that'll grab and extra things.
[06:55] <jdong> I guess, yeah
[06:55] <Fujitsu> *that and
[06:55] <jdong> then use packages.qa.d.o
[06:55] <jdong> which is more up to date
[06:55] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[06:56] <jdong> thanks
[06:56] <Fujitsu> No problem.
[06:56] <lotusleaf> && again, thanks! =)
[06:56] <LaserJock> jdong: I know what you mean though
[06:56] <LaserJock> I'd like that too
[06:56] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Same, it'd be rather useful...
[06:57] <jdong> yeah, I'd rather just say "dget clamav/sid" and not go combing through packages.qa
[06:57] <jdong> but I'm just being too lazy
[06:57] <Mez> jdong: plans for prevu ?
[06:57] <LaserJock> it'd be nice to have a CLI that you just give the package name and it gives you Debian and Ubuntu versions
[06:58] <jdong> Mez: I pushed a rewrite (0.4.1) into dev...
[06:58] <jdong> Mez: testing it right now, looks good....
[06:58] <jdong> Mez: I'd like it eventually in universe :D
[06:58] <Fujitsu> Something like apt-cache madison, but for more than is in sources.list
[06:58] <LaserJock> exactly
[06:58] <jdong> Fujitsu: madison-lite?
[06:58] <Fujitsu> Wouldn't be difficult to write.
[06:58] <Mez> jdong: I know - :D whichis why I have it in revu
[06:58] <LaserJock> and then dget in a similar fashion
[06:59] <Fujitsu> jdong: Seems to require a local mirror.
[06:59] <Mez> jdong: btw: you should make the branch in ubuntu-backporters so we can all work on it - not just yours
[07:00] <jdong> Fujitsu: adapt http://pastebin.com/819521
[07:00] <jdong> :)
[07:00] <jdong> it just doesn't dget
[07:00] <jdong> that's the last damn piece of the puzzle
[07:00] <jdong> Mez: yeah yeah details details :D
[07:00] <Fujitsu> Nice...
[07:00] <jdong> Mez: is there any obvious way of moving branches to a new owner that I'm missing, or should I just re-push?
[07:01] <jdong> Fujitsu: backporters have been using it since Warty :D
[07:01] <Mez> jdong: launchpad/url/to/branch/+reassign
[07:01] <jdong> Mez: ah
[07:02] <jdong> Mez: reassigned
[07:04] <jdong> Mez: also reassigned debian-dir
[07:04] <Mez> jdong ... didnt know you;d done that yourself
[07:05] <jdong> Mez: did what?
[07:05] <Mez> nvm
[07:05] <Mez> jdong: btw I have a suggestion
[07:05] <Mez> in your shell's RC add
[07:05] <Mez> export DEBFULLNAME="John Dong";
[07:06] <Mez> export DEBEMAIL="jdong@ubuntu.com"
[07:06] <Mez> ;0
[07:07] <jdong> Mez: oh, lovely :)
[07:07] <Mez> I did notice a lot of jdong@jdong-laptop ;)
[07:08] <jdong> Mez: yeah :D
[07:09] <Mez> jdong: surely you dont need to keep bumping the version numbers?
[07:09] <Mez> well not like that
[07:09] <jdong> Mez: you know that feeling when you see a bug and want to release a fix for it?
[07:09] <Mez> then push it to the branch ;)
[07:09] <crimsun> resist that feeling.
[07:10] <jdong> lol
[07:10] <crimsun> killing bugs is good, but it often leads to hasty measures
[07:10] <Mez> jdong, RE,RO ?
[07:11] <Mez> jdong, are you actually making these releases proper ?
[07:11] <LaserJock> crimsun: wise words, teacher
[07:11] <jdong> Mez: what do you mean?
[07:11] <Mez> or just saying "ooh, this is a bug fix, lets bump the version number"?
[07:11] <Mez> jdong, RE,RO = release early, release often
[07:11] <jdong> Mez: well, how else would you release a bugfix?
[07:12] <jdong> if you mean is there a deb for each one of those, yes
[07:12] <jdong> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=125877&package_id=206140
[07:12] <jdong> I've been pushing them to SF for now
[07:12] <Mez> jdong, just release patches ...
[07:12] <jdong> Mez: hush you :)
[07:13] <jdong> yeah but that doesn't install as easily as dpkg -i :)
[07:13] <Mez> patch -p0 < patch
[07:13] <Mez> remember you're just using text files
[07:13] <jdong> yeah, that works, release as a patch against /....
[07:14] <Mez> and put it this way, If I'm going to be maintaining this in ubuntu, I dont want to have to review and upload a new set of code changes every day ;)
[07:14] <jdong> well, either way, I'm running out of things to do to prevu :)
[07:14] <jdong> Mez: I don't think there's much more to come honestly
[07:14] <jdong> the tool does its job the way it is :)
[07:15] <jdong> I had one last itch to rewrite it OOP and I just scratched that
[07:16] <Mez> let me know when you're done and I'll trawl through the debian dir then
[07:16] <Mez> what else needs doing now
[07:16] <jdong> I have a version that disregards version constraints on build deps, but if that went into the main program I'd be the next automatix guy :D
[07:16] <Mez> jdong... what the heck..
[07:17] <Mez> Wed,  8 Nov 2006 00:28:47 -0500 = * New upstream release
[07:17] <Mez> Wed,  8 Nov 2006 00:02:50 -0500 = * New upstream release
[07:17] <jdong> Mez: one last bug slipped out?
[07:17] <Mez> if you'r releasing a new verison every 25 mins you can get it away from me ? :P
[07:18] <jdong> Mez: would you rather me leave the bug there for 2 days, have 10 users ask "what does this error mean", then fix it? :D
[07:18] <Mez> jdong: then send those users a patch
[07:18] <Mez> or give them instructions on how to get the branch
[07:19] <jdong> Mez: well, at this point I don't see anything that needs to be done anymore
[07:19] <jdong> I promise :)
[07:20] <jdong> I just tested it with 10 packages using all 4 source methods
[07:31] <crimsun> jdong: are you mad?
[07:31] <crimsun> (RE: FF 2)
[07:32] <Fujitsu> Erm...
[07:36] <joejaxx> fluxbuntu is not a crackful script :\
[07:37] <crimsun> what's the context for that?
[07:38] <jdong> crimsun: they freakin won't take my no as an answer!
[07:38] <jdong> :)
[07:38] <joejaxx> crimsun: someone called it crackful script
[07:40] <minghua> joejaxx: in this channel?
[07:40] <joejaxx> i think so
[08:10] <joejaxx> woohoo i hit the b's
[08:10] <joejaxx> i had to start it over
[10:17] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: likely one of mdz, tfheen or kamion who can't sleep and thus flushed the held queue
[10:18] <Fujitsu> No, it's unfrozen.
[10:18] <Burgundavia> afaik, the only people that can unfreeze it are in mTV
[10:19] <Burgundavia> my explanation stands about insomnia
[10:19] <Fujitsu> Maybe, but it's now unfrozen.
[10:19] <Fujitsu> Probably :P
[10:19] <Fujitsu> `I can't sleep. I'm going to unfreeze Feisty.'
[10:19] <Burgundavia> however, the new epiphany means I am updating tomorrow
[10:21] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: to feisty already?
[10:21] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:21] <Fujitsu> I was planning to do so after midnight tonight.
[10:22] <Fujitsu> (due to offpeak download allowance being twice as high as on-peak)
[10:22] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: you funny aussies and your "allowances"
[10:22] <Burgundavia> three months ago I pulled down 30 gig
[10:22] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: it's been unfrozen for a day or two
[10:22] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: yup.  i dont have that problem - i just have a capped limit
[10:23] <Gloubiboulga> ajmitch: universe is unfrozen too?
[10:23] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: So people just uploaded a gazillion things?
[10:23] <Fujitsu> Gloubiboulga: The components aren't seperate, they're either all or none.
[10:23] <ajmitch> Gloubiboulga: of course, I've uploaded stuff through NEW already as well
[10:23] <Gloubiboulga> great
[10:23] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: I see libvirt, which means that the virtmanager is soonish?
[10:23] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: yes, people have had piles of stuff waiting to be uploaded, I've got a few
[10:24] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: maybe
[10:24] <Hobbsee> much
[10:26] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: heh
[10:27] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: worst way to get me to do something is to nag me about it :)
[10:27] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: are you coming down at all in these last few days?
[10:27] <Burgundavia> no, sadly not
[10:28] <animimotus> hi
[10:29] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: worst part is, work is not even busy
[10:29] <Fujitsu> Hi animimotus.
[10:29] <animimotus> a stupid question perhaps... why is it there no gnome-latest deposit like kde-latest like on kubuntu.org ?
[10:29] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: that's pretty ridiculous
[10:29] <Hobbsee> animimotus: because each release, ubuntu releases with the latest gnome anyway
[10:29] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: network-auth spec is up for discussion tomorrow, I talked with mdz to get it scheduled
[10:30] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: and it is a 5 hour flight. I could leave early tomorrow morning and be there by 11am
[10:30] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: excellent
[10:30] <Hobbsee> animimotus: the ubuntu release cycles are centred around gnome release schedules
[10:30] <ajmitch> anyway, I need to get to bed so I can get up early
[10:31] <animimotus> Hobbsee, ok so we are sure to have always the latest gnome's development in our system ?
[10:31] <Burgundavia> animimotus: yes
[10:31] <Hobbsee> animimotus: yes
[10:31] <animimotus> life is so good :)
[10:32] <Burgundavia> yes, we treat you right
[10:32] <Burgundavia> you develop on GNOME?
[10:33] <animimotus> Burgundavia, not al all, I'm a simple user
[10:33] <Burgundavia> ah
[10:35] <animimotus> I have just notice some bugs on Evolution, I thought it was already declared on Launchpad but the bug is still here til several month now
[10:35] <Burgundavia> animimotus: evo has the 2nd highest bug count of any part of GNOME, afaik
[10:36] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: what's the first?
[10:36] <Burgundavia> gtk or nautilus, I think
[10:36] <Hobbsee> ah
[10:36] <Burgundavia> bringing up the stats now
[10:36] <Burgundavia> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/reports/weekly-bug-summary.cgi
[10:37] <Burgundavia> sorry, evo is now #1
[10:37] <animimotus> it's horrible :o :p the mail pages don't renderer pretty good like in Thunderbird, text sort from boxes and so on
[10:37] <Burgundavia> mails not rendering is another issue entirely
[10:38] <Burgundavia> due to the html rendering engine they use
[10:38] <animimotus> frightened ^^
[10:40] <Burgundavia> basically, gtkhtml doesn't understand css
[10:40] <animimotus> Burgundavia, I thought it was the priority because it makes not really serious : the mailbox is the first we can see when we test Gnome for the first time... Newbie should jump out their chair :D
[10:40] <Burgundavia> evo is bieng worked on
[10:40] <animimotus> Burgundavia, like Internet Explorer ? :p
[10:41] <Burgundavia> novell has several people working on it from their Indian office
[10:41] <Burgundavia> no, there is real working being done
[10:41] <Burgundavia> but look at those bugs/opened closed numbers
[10:41] <animimotus> so it a good novel :)
[10:42] <Burgundavia> the huge numbers are mostly related to GNOME shipping a new crash tool that reports the bug to the gnome bugzilla
[10:47] <animimotus> sorry, I'm back :)
[10:48] <Burgundavia> animimotus: did you see my last line, about the huge numbers of bugs?
[10:49] <animimotus> ctrl + W... lol
[10:49] <animimotus> erf
[10:49] <Burgundavia> animimotus: did you see my last line, about the huge bug numbers?
[10:49] <animimotus> yes I have seen the line, this bugreported can be integrated in Edgy .
[10:50] <animimotus> bugreporter
[10:50] <animimotus> ?
[10:50] <animimotus> mr_pouit, hi dear :p
[10:50] <mr_pouit> hi animimotus ;)
[10:51] <animimotus> Burgundavia, it a friend I have, mr_pouit :p
[10:51] <animimotus> * it's
[10:51] <Burgundavia> hello
[10:51] <Burgundavia> sadly I need to sleep
[10:52] <animimotus> Burgundavia, nice night, thanks for your respons
[10:52] <Fujitsu> Goodnight, Burgundavia.
[10:53] <animimotus> well I hope that Novell can always feel free working on Evolution... now they work with (for ?) Microsoft...
[10:56] <animimotus> I ask myselft if Evolution could be the Outlook killer :\
[11:58] <fernando> moin all
[12:00] <crimsun> Gloubiboulga: hi, if you or jani are going to take care of the gxine merge, I've already pushed it to bzr. I'm away for two days.
[12:00] <Gloubiboulga> crimsun: great, thanks :)
[12:01] <crimsun> [https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-core-dev/+branch/gxine/ubuntu , that is] 
[12:01] <crimsun> ->airport
[12:05] <gnomefreak> are we able to start merging for feisty yet?
[12:06] <crimsun> yes
[12:06] <gnomefreak> ok ty i guess nows a good time to try my hand at it again
[12:44] <tarzeau> where can i find a person who maintains the ubuntu package that i get bug reports about?
[12:44] <tarzeau> i maintain it in debian, and it works perfect for me, but ubuntu removes files and makes the software not work anymore
[12:44] <tarzeau> this is really annoying to me, because i have no chance to fix bugs in ubuntu
[12:45] <Gloubiboulga> tarzeau: which package is it?
[12:46] <tarzeau> Gloubiboulga: gtamsanalyzer.app
[12:46] <tarzeau> the bug reporter says there's no binaries in the package
[12:46] <tarzeau> but there is for me in mine
[12:46] <tarzeau> guess i'll just tell him to use debian and this url: http://people.debian.org/~daniel//documents/ubuntu.html
[12:47] <tarzeau> i have no shell account on any ubuntu systems, nor do i know a person i can redirect him to
[12:47] <Gloubiboulga> strange, because we use your package
[12:47] <Gloubiboulga> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/g/gtamsanalyzer.app/gtamsanalyzer.app_0.42-3/changelog
[12:47] <tarzeau> dpkg -L gtamsanalyzer.app | wc -l
[12:47] <tarzeau> can you tell me what that gives to you?
[12:47] <Gloubiboulga> sure, let me install it
[12:47] <tarzeau> then it must be this users problem
[12:48] <tarzeau> he says he has 0.42-3
[12:48] <Gloubiboulga> gauvain@joe:~/dev/paquets/pyxfce$ dpkg -L gtamsanalyzer.app | wc -l
[12:48] <Gloubiboulga> 26
[12:48] <tarzeau> but wait
[12:49] <tarzeau> looking at dpkg -L gtamsanalyzer.app , it has no Application folder anymore
[12:50] <Gloubiboulga> I'm really not familiar with all these .app apps
[12:50] <tarzeau> Gloubiboulga: that's fine, there really is a problem, i'm checking it
[12:50] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[12:51] <tarzeau> yeah -2 had the files, -3 doesn't anymore
[12:53] <tarzeau> haha i know what's wrong
[12:54] <tarzeau> my sponsor would tells me how to do things, then i do it, but of course he doesn't check if the changes HE wanted so much would break anything (oh well, i'll fix this)
[12:55] <tarzeau> sorry to bother
[12:57] <Gloubiboulga> no problem
[01:32] <sivang> re motus
[01:32] <Hobbsee> hey sivang!
[01:33] <sivang> Hobbsee: how's it going ?
[01:33] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:33] <Hobbsee> sivang: good, assignments and the like
[01:33] <sivang> Hobbsee: assignemnets?
[01:33] <Hobbsee> siu
[01:33] <Hobbsee> sivang: uni
[01:33] <Hobbsee> sivang: exams next week
[01:33] <sivang> Hobbsee: ah :)
[01:33] <sivang> Hobbsee: good
[01:34] <sivang> (on -devel)
[01:34] <Hobbsee> i've finished the last assignmetn, and am wondering what to do nwo :P
[01:34] <sivang> heh
[01:35] <sivang> Hobbsee: wanna help a rocking desktop backup solution ? ;)
[01:35] <Hobbsee> maybe
[01:35] <Hobbsee> sivang: i can tell you what files you need to remove for a restore for kde to work :)
[01:35] <sivang> and get your hands dirty with some cool yet highly readable and understandable python code? :)
[01:35] <Hobbsee> my python skills arent good
[01:35] <sivang> Hobbsee: feel free to add this on the wiki page, or else it'll get los t:)
[01:35] <Hobbsee> however, i'd like a look
[01:36] <sivang> Hobbsee: please, do, if you have ANY questions, you know I'm more then happy to answer you
[01:36] <Gloubiboulga> hello sivang
[01:36] <sivang> hi Gloubiboulga !
[01:36] <sivang> Gloubiboulga: how you benen doing mate?
[01:36] <sivang> Gloubiboulga: are you in uds-mtv ?
[01:36] <Gloubiboulga> sivang: unfortunately no
[01:37] <Gloubiboulga> sivang: someone on a -fr chan seems interested in hubackup and would know if it will we able to backup /etc at some point
[01:38] <Gloubiboulga> sivang: are you in uds-mtv by the way ?
[01:38] <sivang> Gloubiboulga: it would, yes, the fesity+1 goal for is to be able to do systeam area backups
[01:39] <Hobbsee> sivang: where is this wiki?
[01:40] <sivang> Hobbsee: wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup?
[01:40] <sivang> ;-)
[01:40] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:40] <Gloubiboulga> sivang: ok, great :)
[01:41] <sivang> Hobbsee: if you plan to get dirty with PyQT, then you already know that my dear dear friend Jonathan would be exciting to see QT frontend
[01:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:41] <Hobbsee> sivang: i know almost *none* of python, so...
[01:42] <Hobbsee> then again, i do have uni break soon...
[01:42] <sivang> Hobbsee: python is nothiing to be known :)
[01:42] <Hobbsee> well, yeah, but still
[01:42] <sivang> Hobbsee: you just start talking to it and it will flow, trust me ;)
[01:43] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[01:43] <sivang> Hobbsee: really, this is not joke
[01:44] <sivang> Hobbsee: it's like the nicest going language I've put my hands on to
[01:44] <sivang> hey jsgotangco :)
[01:44] <Hobbsee> sivang: yes, so i've seen, from the little i've played with it
[01:44] <jsgotangco> python?
[01:45] <Hobbsee> sivang: found the first bug
[01:45] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: yes
[01:45] <sivang> Hobbsee: ?
[01:45] <Hobbsee> sivang: "otherwise you could loose " in one of the screenshots - should be "lose"
[01:45] <Hobbsee> and s/an/a/
[01:45] <Hobbsee> in that same screenshot
[01:46] <sivang> Hobbsee: well, sudo apt-get hubackup, see if the error is there as well, if you can't find the error there, then just open a typo bug.
[01:46] <Hobbsee> sivang: you've not got english as a first language, right?
[01:46] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:46] <Hobbsee> i've only got edgy on here, will that do?
[01:46] <sivang> Hobbsee: no, I have not :)
[01:46] <Hobbsee> didnt think so
[01:46] <sivang> Hobbsee: sure! edgy has the latest development in it
[01:47] <sivang> Hobbsee: but the screenshots were not made by me
[01:47] <sivang> Hobbsee: so you can't blame me for this :p
[01:47] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:47] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:48] <sivang> Hobbsee: also, I think I'm far from considering typo bugs to be real bugs yet ! :-p
[01:48] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:49] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's true
[01:49] <Hobbsee> i just noticed them - it's a pet peeve of mine
[01:49] <Hobbsee> work's terrible with them
[01:52] <sivang> Hobbsee: it's a good thing you notice them, file respective bugs :) I almost didn't touch any of the widgets since glatzor provided them to me, so most probably the bug is apparent in the software itself.
[01:52] <Hobbsee> sivang: right
[02:27] <kiko> hey there
[02:27] <kiko> ajmitch, can you rescue me from bug 30701 again?
[02:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30701 in zodb "python2.4-zodb should depend on python2.4-zopeinterface?" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30701
[02:27] <Hobbsee> kiko: he's asleep
[02:45] <xopher> Hi! Could someone tell me how I can sign packages when building with pbuilder? Is there an option I can add to pbuilderrc?
[02:54] <Adri2000> xopher: you have to sign during the debuild -S (source package)
[02:58] <xopher> so extending DEBBUILDOPTS="-sa" to DEBBUILDOPTS="-sa --debsign-k user@mail.com" ?
[03:19] <gnomefreak> xopher: i think i had to do that once. i cant remember if i set it in ~/.pbuilderrc or ~/.gnupg though
[03:19] <jonh_wendell> geser, what does SRU mean?
[03:19] <xopher> hmm, ok, what about the DEBSIGN= option?
[03:20] <geser> (S)table (R)elease (U)pdate
[03:21] <geser> jonh_wendell: see also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Acronyms for some other used acronyms
[03:24] <jonh_wendell> geser: if you want, you can put the new .deb for octplot in somewhere so that a friend of mine can test it
[03:24] <geser> the one for AMD64?
[03:26] <jonh_wendell> geser: hummm i guess he uses 386...
[03:27] <geser> I will see I can rebuild it for i386 also
[03:29] <jonh_wendell> geser: no chance of new version (from debian) enter in edgy-updates, right?
[03:30] <geser> hard to say, it depends how the MOTU-SRU team decides
[03:31] <bersace> Hi all !!!!
[03:32] <geser> as octplot is currently uninstallable in edgy and if the new version works (and the rebuild one not) it might get in
[03:33] <jonh_wendell> geser: that's great
[03:36] <bersace> i've just uploaded enblend, with enable image blending in hugin
[03:36] <bersace> please review
[03:37] <bersace> oh
[03:37] <bersace> f***
[03:37] <bersace> dput automatically upload to ubuntu
[03:37] <bersace> not revu
[03:37] <bersace> :|
[03:39] <bersace> ok
[03:39] <bersace> i uploaded enblend 2.5 to revu
[03:39] <bersace> seems its not shown at revu.tauware.de
[03:40] <bersace> siretart: ping
[03:40] <siretart> bersace: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I'll respond when I am around.
[03:41] <bersace> siretart: ?
[03:41] <Adri2000> bersace: your package is currently in incoming
[03:41] <bersace> Adri2000: any url ?
[03:42] <Adri2000> ftp://revu.tauware.de/incoming/ but it is not anymore
[03:42] <bersace> got it
[03:42] <Adri2000> :)
[03:42] <bersace> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3388
[03:43] <bersace> oh
[03:44] <bersace> seems that enblend had already package candidate :\
[03:45] <bersace> but very old
[04:11] <ajmitch> morning all
[04:17] <xerxas> Hi ajmitch
[04:17] <jsgotangco> hey
[04:17] <xerxas> fesity is accepting new packages already ?
[04:17] <jsgotangco> got dist-upgrade itch? heh
[04:18] <ajmitch> yes, new packages are being accepted
[04:19] <superm1> ajmitch, did the MOTU/SRU process get defined the last few days?  I remember seeing chatter that it was supposed to be finished over the weekend, but I haven't looked into it yet
[04:19] <ajmitch> superm1: I believe so, I'm not entirely sure since I'm not in the sru team
[04:19] <superm1> do you know who was put on it?
[04:20] <ajmitch> yes, look at https://launchpad.net/people/motu-sru
[04:21] <xerxas> ajmitch,  so I can start packaging some new stuff
[04:21] <xerxas> didn't knew about it !
[04:21] <xerxas> :)
[04:25] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:26] <lfittl> hey bddebian
[04:26] <bddebian> Hi lfittl
[04:44] <animimotus> test
[04:53] <siretart> bersace: yes?
[04:53] <bersace> siretart: i've uploaded another debianisation of enblend
[04:53] <bersace> i didn't saw it where already uploaded
[04:53] <bersace> would be nice to have it included universe
[04:54] <siretart> bersace: yes
[05:25] <jonh_wendell> geser: should i test the 0.3.5 or 0.3.9 ?
[05:39] <geser> jonh_wendell: if possible both
[05:41] <geser> if you can verify that 0.3.5 is broken and 0.3.9 works, the motu-sru team has more reasons to accept it into edgy-updates
[05:43] <jonh_wendell> geser: ok, i've invited my friend to test both; i'll inform you the results
[05:43] <jonh_wendell> geser: thanks
[05:44] <geser> please add the results also to the bug report
[05:45] <jonh_wendell> geser: ok
[06:51] <martijn> Hello, I'd like to get my hands dirty building some packages :) I'm trying to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingBasics, But I have troubles setting up pbuilder.
[06:52] <martijn> I get "E: debootstrap does not exist, install or change DEBOOTSTRAP option"
[06:52] <Mez> martijn, sudo apt-get install pbuilder
[06:52] <martijn> I did that already
[06:53] <martijn> Oh wait, I didn't install debootstrap :)
[06:53] <Mez> ;)
[06:53] <Mez> it should be a dependency I though
[06:53] <kiko> ei ajmitch
[06:53] <martijn> Maybe a bug?
[06:54] <Mez> Depends: debootstrap | cdebootstrap, wget, gcc, debianutils (>= 1.13.1), coreutils (>= 4.5.8-1)
[06:54] <martijn> Does setting up a pbuilder environment require a lot of downloading? I'm not on a great internet connection
[06:54] <Mez> martijn, not much - but a bit, as does using it
[06:54] <Mez> martijn, how did you install pbuildeR?
[06:55] <martijn> sudo apt-get install pbuilder. I just repeated that command when you mentioned it before, and it reported "pbuilder is already the newest version"
[06:55] <geser> martijn: the base.tgz has about 80 MB
[06:55] <martijn> then I did "sudo apt-get install debuilder", just for good measure, and it started installing that.
[06:56] <martijn> I mean debootstrap
[06:57] <martijn> fdoving: thanks, but I think I'll start by following the Packagingbasics tutorial step by step
[07:02] <ajmitch> hey kiko
[07:04] <luisbg> hey ajmitch
[07:12] <martijn> Mez, I just checked: I had cdebootstrap installed, so that is why it didn't install debootstrap
[07:13] <kiko> ajmitch!
[07:14] <kiko> was wondering if I could interest you in bug 30701
[07:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30701 in zodb "python2.4-zodb should depend on python2.4-zopeinterface?" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30701
[07:16] <martijn> question: after pbuilder finished, the result is in base.tgz, right? Can I copy this file around between systems so I don't have to download everything again?
[07:28] <amarillion> If I want to get a package into REVU, does it matter for which ubuntu version I build it? Only feisty, or also edgy/dapper?
[07:32] <Gloubiboulga> it needs to be built for feisty
[08:02] <Zdra> is universe open for upload in feisty ?
[08:03] <Adri2000> Zdra: yes
[08:03] <LaserJock> I don't think so yet
[08:03] <LaserJock> it is?
[08:03] <LaserJock> hmm, could be, I hadn't noticed
[08:03] <Adri2000> I think yes, Gloubiboulga have just uploaded a package in universe for me
[08:03] <LaserJock> it's kinda pointless at the moment, IMO
[08:04] <LaserJock> Zdra: what do you mean?
[08:04] <Zdra> now that universe is open we can upload new telepathy-* updates :)
[08:05] <LaserJock> sure, but I don't think it's of much use right now
[08:05] <LaserJock> I don't know if the tool chain is stable yet
[08:06] <Zdra> LaserJock: main has many uploads now so I guess the toolchain is ok ...
[08:06] <LaserJock> well
[08:06] <Adri2000> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+source/brasero/0.5.0-0ubuntu1 < that's universe :)
[08:06] <LaserJock> Adri2000: ah, I did see that one roll by today
[08:07] <LaserJock> I'm just waiting until after the UDS is over
[08:07] <LaserJock> the archive admins are so very busy right now I don't want to put any load on them
[08:12] <amarillion> question: after pbuilder finished, the result is in base.tgz, right? Can I copy this file around between systems so I don't have to download everything again?
[08:12] <geser> yes
[08:12] <LaserJock> well, the base.tgz is the pbuilder
[08:13] <amarillion> ok great.
[08:13] <amarillion> For me, it takes quite a while to set up.
[08:13] <LaserJock> yep
[08:13] <amarillion> It's running for over an hour now
[08:14] <LaserJock> it's making a minimal Ubuntu install so it can take a while
[08:14] <joejaxx> Hello Everyone
[08:14] <LaserJock> hi joejaxx
[08:14] <amarillion> I'm going to try to package a few allegro plugins. I think they will make useful packages.
[08:14] <joejaxx> i hope you all are doing well
[08:14] <joejaxx> :D
[08:14] <joejaxx> LaserJock: hello
[08:14] <LaserJock> joejaxx: how's the BOFs today?
[08:15] <joejaxx> they are well
[08:15] <amarillion> Allegro is a game programming library
[08:15] <joejaxx> i just came from the ubuntustudio bof
[08:15] <LaserJock> joejaxx: there was one scheduled?
[08:15] <LaserJock> cool
[08:15] <joejaxx> yeah
[08:15] <joejaxx> 10am
[08:17] <joejaxx> well the mirror stopped at kdenetworkconf
[08:17] <joejaxx> failed:Unkown command.
[08:17] <kiko> hey joejaxx, got my mail?
[08:18] <joejaxx> kiko: i might have i have to go through the 63 new emails i just received
[08:20] <joejaxx> kiko: yes i have
[08:20] <LaserJock> argg, there's a MOTU BOF right now?
[08:20] <joejaxx> kiko: thank you :)
[08:20] <kiko> joejaxx, good!
[08:20] <joejaxx> kiko: :D
[09:41] <giskard> Zdra: i'm doing it right now
[09:49] <LaserJock> crappy
[09:49] <LaserJock> Scibuntu hit the forums
[09:49] <kiko> the forums are merciless
[09:50] <zul> ubuntu science?
[09:53] <LaserJock> zul: it's a nifty little script that just does a bit apt-get install ...
[09:53] <LaserJock> plus install acroread straight from Adobe
[09:53] <LaserJock> and 1 other app that I have no idea what it is
[09:53] <fernando> hi joejaxx
[09:57] <zul> cool...lunch time
[10:01] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Our forums?
[10:03] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: ubuntuforums.org
[10:03] <LaserJock> Education and Science subforum
[10:03] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: I just found the thread :(
[10:03] <LaserJock> I'm writing a reply right now
[10:03] <Fujitsu> Oh god.
[10:03] <Fujitsu> Somebody suggested adding it to the wiki.
[10:03] <Fujitsu> We're doomed now.
[10:04] <Fujitsu> How nice of it to break Beryl.
[10:04] <Fujitsu> It's crack vs. crack!
[10:04] <bhale> what is the "reaction to the burn effect"
[10:04] <bhale> that whiprush just blogged
[10:05] <gnomefreak> what broke beryl?
[10:06] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak: That Scibuntu script.
[10:06] <LaserJock> scibuntu
[10:06] <Fujitsu> Grrreat. Somebody complaining that texmacs won't install, because they've compiled emacs from CVS.
[10:06] <gnomefreak> i didnt know there was one
[10:06] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak: Neither did we until yesterday.
[10:07] <LaserJock> well, it looks like it got started on the 4th
[10:08] <LaserJock> so not a lot of time for people to hear about it ;-)
[10:08] <Fujitsu> Have you replied to that thread?
[10:08] <Fujitsu> And should we run off an email to Mr. Scibuntu himself?
[10:08] <LaserJock> working on it
[10:08] <LaserJock> trying to figure out how to politely say "This is insane"
[10:10] <gnomefreak> other than the child education science stuff i didnt know there was science apps. are they all written by 3rd parties?
[10:10] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak: Check https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience.
[10:10] <Fujitsu> That's a list of all science stuff.
[10:10] <gnomefreak> ty
[10:10] <Fujitsu> Oops, add a /+packagebugs to the end of that.
[10:11] <Fujitsu> Also:
[10:11] <Fujitsu> http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/feisty/all.html
[10:11] <Fujitsu> That's probably a better list.
[10:11] <LaserJock> ok, replied
[10:11] <gnomefreak> i hope so theres nothing on the first page after hitting packages :)
[10:11] <LaserJock> gnomefreak: MOTU Science looks after > 450 science related packages
[10:12] <gnomefreak> omg
[10:12] <LaserJock> we could include more
[10:13] <LaserJock> but we have quite enough as it is
[10:13] <Fujitsu> We do.
[10:13] <Fujitsu> 165 open bugs... :(
[10:26] <giskard> who is working on beryl?
[10:28] <LaserJock> several people I think
[10:29] <LaserJock> quinn storm is the main one I think
[10:31] <Fujitsu> How odd... The BeautifulSoup on my server in the US seems to have decided it wants to return Null for everything.
[10:31] <giskard> LaserJock: also for Ubuntu? i was wondering if a motu wanted upload it.
[10:32] <LaserJock> giskard: I believe quinn has been working with several people here
[10:32] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: excellent :(
[10:32] <Fujitsu> So I can't run my bug page parser there, to get the statuses etc. of science bugs :(
[10:33] <giskard> LaserJock: i know that reggaemanu and Amaranth are working on it, but they are not motu afaik :( i'd be happy to sponsor it.
[10:33] <LaserJock> any motu can sponsor it
[10:34] <giskard> LaserJock: yes :)
[10:36] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: edgy, feisty, and bug list updated
[10:37] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Why not put it on a cron job or three?
[10:38] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: at the moment I'm still transferring it from my box
[10:38] <LaserJock> and I haven't gotten passwordless ssh
[10:38] <LaserJock> yet
[10:39] <LaserJock> I can at least do a cron to create the lists here
[10:39] <LaserJock> I've just never cronned anything so I just never thing to do it ;-)
[10:39] <Fujitsu> Why don't you create the lists on tiber, rather than transferring them to there?
[10:40] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: because tiber doesn't have the mdt we need
[10:40] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[10:40] <Fujitsu> I run a private version in my home directory, in fact.
[10:41] <LaserJock> hmm, that's a thought
[10:41] <Fujitsu> You just need to reconfigure it to point to the correct module directory.
[10:41] <LaserJock> right
[11:39] <jdong> what are the ramifications of using --use-pdebuild-internal in pdebuild?