[12:53] <shwag> Why does php5-gd attempt to install laptop-detect and x11-common  as dependencies ?
[12:57] <infinity> shwag: Because it wants x11-common as a libXpm dependency to be able to manipulate XPM images, and x11-common depends on laptop-detect.
[12:58] <shwag> infinity: how did you figure that out? is there a way to get a dependency tree?
[12:58] <infinity> And, for the record, the total installed size of both those packages is smaller than mhy .ssh/authorized_keys, so I'm not sure why people complain about it.
[12:58] <infinity> (x11-common doesn't mean "I just installed X")
[12:58] <infinity> shwag: I know how to use my packaging tools.  On the other hand, I also maintain PHP, so I'm at an unfair advantage.
[12:59] <shwag> well its just kinda funny when you are installing php5-gd libraries and the next thing you know you are install laptop-detect on your server.
[01:00] <infinity> Yeah, x11-common's dependency on laptop-detect is... Interesting.
[01:00] <infinity> (THough it's a tiny little script, and it doesn't really make a difference to have it there, it's merely the package *name* that offends people)
[01:01] <shwag> x11-comon is no big deal...fonts, makes sense. Its the laptop-detect that makes people go... uhh..whaaaa
[06:56] <techwhore> yello there.
[06:56] <techwhore> you guys work with gadmintools ?
[06:59] <infinity> Nope;.
[06:59] <infinity> We don't install X, generally. :)
[07:00] <techwhore> that doesn't mean one can do an ssh and export display, right ?
[07:00] <techwhore> i mean, isn't the ubuntu-server group goal to create some sort of Linux Server with the same guidelines as ubuntu desktop ?
[07:01] <techwhore> in other word, easy, graphic adminstration of linux servers ?
[07:05] <Burgwork> there are ways to admin a server graphically without needing to install X on the server
[07:05] <Burgwork> that is part of this teams goal
[07:05] <techwhore> yup, and what tools do you guys use or encourage the usage of ?
[07:33] <infinity> No, honestly, that's not our goal.
[07:33] <Burgwork> infinity: rain on my parade will you
[07:34] <infinity> If people want to work on easy administration, I'm all for it, but it's certainly not the primary goal of ubuntu server.
[07:34] <infinity> We're far more concerned in enterprise-class stability and package selection.
[07:34] <Burgwork> true
[07:41] <techwhore> it seems to me that both goals are not exclusive.
[07:41] <techwhore> good.
[07:41] <techwhore> thanks dude.
[10:12] <shwag> how come when I   sudo useradd newuser  .... it doesnt create a  /home/newuser  ?
[10:12] <ivoks> sudo adduser
[10:13] <ivoks> useradd just creates user in /etc/passwd
[10:13] <techwhore> please read the topic.
[10:13] <ivoks> :)
[10:16] <shwag> techwhore: what about the topic ?
[10:29] <jbrouhard> shwag: try adduser
[10:29] <jbrouhard> it's a script that asks you a few questions i believe
[10:31] <shwag> jbrouhard: yah...adduser works.  useradd doesnt create directories though. That was rather ambiguous.
[10:33] <jbrouhard> adduser is just a script
[10:33] <jbrouhard> that calls useradd
[10:33] <jbrouhard> with a bunch of options
[10:33] <jbrouhard> anyway
[10:33] <jbrouhard> afk i go
[11:00] <techwhore> shwag 
[11:00] <techwhore>        -m, --create-home
[11:00] <techwhore>           The users home directory will be created if it does not exist. The
[11:00] <techwhore> from useradd manpage
[11:04] <shwag> techwhore: thats what it says...but it actually doesnt exist
[11:04] <shwag> techwhore: adduser   rather then useradd  fixes the problem though