[12:17] <pygi> LaserJock: including my "gpg" problem :(
[12:17] <pygi> *not related to edubuntu*
[12:17] <LaserJock> many people, like myself,  had wonderful upgrades and edgy is stable and great
[12:17] <ace> I installed ubuntu by the way not edubuntu but later I added edubuntu
[12:17] <LaserJock> for other people it seems to be the worst release ever or something
[12:18] <ace> LaserJock: isn't that funny ? That a certain people are having night mares (and they don't stop !)
[12:18] <ace> and others go smoooooth ?
[12:18] <ace> That's so weird !
[12:18] <ace> And i really can't believe it's hardware related.
[12:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi RichEd 
[12:18] <RichEd> hi Kamping_Kaiser 
[12:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[12:19] <ace> I can't get bluetooth to work - yest, hcitool works and sees the device, but I can't find a suitable program that let's me transfer files 
[12:19] <ace> and on and on.
[12:19] <LaserJock> ace: yeah, I think there is going to be a lot more testing for feisty to eliminate some of that
[12:20] <LaserJock> but it's difficult
[12:20] <ace> maybe the need to conform to the cycle was to great pressure... i don't know. lots of great things in 6.10 but man.. so many problems..
[12:20] <LaserJock> it just depends
[12:20] <ace> if OO hangs my machine good and hard... it's dangerous ! I don't want the feeling that I can't trust my machine like I had in windows.
[12:20] <LaserJock> that's the biggest problem
[12:21] <LaserJock> for the stuff I do edgy is in much more stable and better then even dapper
[12:21] <ace> RichEd!!
[12:21] <ace> LaserJock: what do you do ?
[12:21] <LaserJock> science stuff
[12:21] <ace> Unfortunately, I am not a developer 
[12:22] <ace> and I can't fix stuff myself
[12:22] <ace> I can complain hopefully in a usefull way
[12:22] <LaserJock> I'm a developer and I can't fix stuff much either ;-)
[12:22] <LaserJock> but with edgy I haven't had any snags
[12:22] <ace> LaserJock: yes I do develop things - php websites and such :-) but no c(++) java pythion perl etc
[12:23] <LaserJock> cool, I don't know any PHP, but I'm trying to learn Python and C++
[12:23] <RichEd> *meeting
[12:23] <ace> I am trying to lear ruby but that will take even longer after the wrestles with edgy.
[12:24] <ace> Anyway, just goes to show that there are many, many difficulties for an OS that wants to run on millions of computers !
[12:24] <LaserJock> yes
[12:24] <LaserJock> that's definitely the advantage Apple has
[12:25] <ace> LaerJock: that it doesn't run on millions of computers :-)
[12:26] <ace> anyway, gotta cook some salmon
[12:26] <ace> bye for now !
[12:27] <LaserJock> cya
[12:31] <cbx33> hey ogra, great work on the spec
[12:38] <ogra> cbx33, i just set it to review ... lets see if the reviewer agrees 
[01:25] <LaserJock> ogra: are you here?
[01:43] <LaserJock> well bummer
[01:43] <LaserJock> gnome menus doesn't handle URLs
[01:44] <LaserJock> RichEd: you actually here?
[01:44] <RichEd> now I am 
[01:44] <LaserJock> k
[01:44] <LaserJock> I was just looking into URL links in menus
[01:45] <LaserJock> and I found out that gnome-menus doesn't read them
[01:45] <LaserJock> you have to actually make an application link to firefox <url> 
[01:45] <RichEd> okay ... you mean they won't appear or won't load
[01:45] <LaserJock> won't appear
[01:45] <LaserJock> the freedesktop spec has Type=Link
[01:45] <LaserJock> which works on the desktop
[01:46] <LaserJock> but it won't show up in the menus
[01:46] <LaserJock> so we'd have to use Type=Application
[01:46] <RichEd> okay ... are you saying it would work if we had a menu item "open firefox and load this url on load"
[01:47] <LaserJock> which is not very obvious to the user that they would have to type in firefox http://www.google.com for instance
[01:47] <LaserJock> right
[01:47] <LaserJock> with Type=Link you just give URL=http://www.google.com
[01:47] <LaserJock> with Type=Application you have to give Exec= firefox http://www.google.com
[01:48] <RichEd> mmm and could we have that "complex load"? hidden with the item description being just the link title "
[01:48] <RichEd> (excuse the typing working on my lap)
[01:49] <RichEd> is there anywhere I could find a decent explation of how the menus work to get myself a better understanding ?
[01:49] <LaserJock> sure
[01:50] <RichEd> (as opposed to asking you dumb questions in vague language)
[01:50] <LaserJock> desktop spec: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ 
[01:50] <RichEd> thanks ... loading
[01:50] <LaserJock> menu spec: http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/
[01:50] <LaserJock> gnome stuff: http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/latest/menustructure-0.html
[01:51] <RichEd> stgraber: to answer your earlier SCP question ... Jim McQuillan says that multiple teachers can be added to an admin group, and any admin level person can control workstations 
[01:54] <LaserJock> RichEd: I think bookmarks would be really cool to have
[01:54] <LaserJock> I just don't see how we could do it in the menus without hacking in gnome-menus
[01:55] <ogra> i think it was delibarately ripped out 
[01:55] <ogra> (even i agree its silly as it is now)
[01:55] <RichEd> LaserJock: yep ... i am a firm believer that for the younger kids they need to think about the subject first, and the application second. that is the way the human brain works.
[01:56] <LaserJock> even a separate book marks menu would be kinda cool
[01:56] <Burgwork> RichEd: do you have a quick moment to talk bout Edubuntu vs ubuntu-education?
[01:56] <RichEd> like when you are exploring a folder, or even a web page, you see what you want and click the title, the os should recognise the required application launch for the apropriate content
[01:57] <LaserJock> I saw that somebody did a bookmarks applet a while ago but it was browser specific and showed all the browsers bookmarks
[01:57] <Burgwork> that is mime types
[01:57] <RichEd> LaserJock: we've got our combined brains on the problem, we'll make a conceptual breakthrough i think
[01:57] <Burgwork> .desktop files tell the system what to open with what
[01:57] <LaserJock> in this case we have Type=
[01:57] <RichEd> Burgwork: sure
[01:57] <LaserJock> in the .desktops
[01:57] <LaserJock> but gnome-menus don't show Type=Link .desktops
[01:58] <RichEd> Burgwork: as in yes I have a moment
[01:58] <LaserJock> s/don't/doesn't/
[01:58] <Burgwork> RichEd: little bit concerned about the split. I would like to expand the scope of Edubuntu to include anything that involves Ubuntu in Education, regardless of whether it is fat or thin client, etc.
[02:01] <RichEd> Burgwork: we are very aware of the possible risks of split, and are keeping it top of mind. the primary issue is around getting the kubuntu and ubuntu and xubuntu people into our education community. lot's of discussion here with all of the above at UDS have shown that they want to be part of a *buntu education community, but they do not see #edubuntu as a space which applies to them
[02:02] <Burgwork> RichEd: part of Ubuntu is making technology choices
[02:02] <Burgwork> that being said, I think having -education and Edubuntu is going to muddy the waters considerably
[02:02] <RichEd> not sure what you mean by that comment w.r.t. mine above ?
[02:02] <Burgwork> Edubuntu has chosen the GNOME desktop
[02:02] <RichEd> ^^ RichEd: part of Ubuntu is making technology choices <- that one
[02:02] <Burgwork> that means we are not going to get some of the Kubuntu people
[02:03] <RichEd> yes ... and if someone choses kde does that mean they are not part of Ubuntu and Education ?
[02:03] <Burgwork> no, far from it
[02:03] <Burgwork> but they are probably also not going to be part of ubuntu-education
[02:03] <Burgwork> they are going to be part of Kubuntu
[02:03] <RichEd> yes they are ... they are asking me about it right here
[02:04] <RichEd> the kubuntu technical conversations stay in kubuntu, the kubuntu and education conversations find a natural home in ubuntu and education
[02:04] <RichEd> the ubuntu technical conversations stay in ubuntu, the ubuntu and education conversations find a natural home in ubuntu and education
[02:04] <Burgwork> sorry, I don't understand your last statement
[02:04] <RichEd> the edubuntu technical conversations stay in edubuntu, the edubuntu and education conversations find a natural home in ubuntu and education
[02:04] <Burgwork> I still don't get it
[02:04] <pygi> neither do I :P
[02:05] <Burgwork> and that doesn't really help anybody
[02:05] <Burgwork> I see two choices: disolve Edubuntu and move it into ubuntu-education
[02:05] <Burgwork> or widen the scope of Edubuntu
[02:05] <Burgwork> anything else is going to needlessly split a very small resource and further delay our plans for futher world domination
[02:07] <Burgwork> here is what I would say:
[02:07] <LaserJock> well, Edubuntu is a specific product, a Gnome based LTSP server distro, etc.
[02:07] <Burgwork> LaserJock: no, no it is not
[02:07] <Burgwork> that is its *current* focus
[02:07] <LaserJock> but I doubt that it can seriously say it covers all Education
[02:07] <Burgwork> because that was the low hanging fruit
[02:07] <Burgwork> ogra and I have chatted about it
[02:07] <LaserJock> wouldn't it muddy things too if there were 5 different Edubuntu flavors
[02:08] <RichEd> edubuntu is a product based on ubuntu. some issues revolve around the product. some education issues revolve around say an education appplication which is available under kubuntu and edubuntu
[02:08] <LaserJock> here's the KDE Edubuntu flavor
[02:08] <Burgwork> ssh, listen to my idea
[02:08] <Burgwork> we have a project, called Edubuntu, which is education and ubuntu
[02:08] <RichEd> be back in afew minutes
[02:08] <Burgwork> anything and everything. This is what ubuntu-education currently is
[02:09] <Burgwork> then we say: We will help you support any ubuntu product, but our first class product is the GNOME-based desktop currently called Edubuntu
[02:09] <Burgwork> because if you look outside the Education/Linux community, who care aobut with DE, we need a first class product to sell them
[02:10] <Burgwork> those people are going to be needlessly confused by having two similarly named projects
[02:10] <LaserJock> sure
[02:10] <LaserJock> but I'm just seeing the fact that people want to use more then just Edubuntu
[02:10] <Burgwork> because there are a lot more teachers out there who don't use linux than who do
[02:10] <LaserJock> so is it easier to expand the Edubuntu "brand"
[02:10] <Burgwork> and those that don't don't really give a hoto about which DE
[02:10] <LaserJock> or create a new "Ubuntu Education" brand
[02:11] <Burgwork> but that is exactly what we have now
[02:11] <Burgwork> and it isn't going to help
[02:11] <Burgwork> somebody who doesn't know either is going to get terribly confused. What do I use?
[02:11] <LaserJock> they idea would be that you go to Ubuntu Education first
[02:11] <LaserJock> that tells you the available solutions and products
[02:12] <Burgwork> then let that first place they go is Edubuntu
[02:12] <LaserJock> except Edubuntu is also a specifc product
[02:12] <Burgwork> where we tell them "If you are new, use Edubuntu. If not, use U/K/X"
[02:12] <Burgwork> Ubuntu is both a project and product
[02:12] <LaserJock> exactly
[02:12] <LaserJock> and people get really confused by that
[02:12] <Burgwork> the same confusion is going to lay with an "ubuntu education"
[02:13] <Burgwork> they are going to think that ubuntu education is a product
[02:13] <LaserJock> well, except there isn't a product
[02:13] <LaserJock> just information and community
[02:13] <Burgwork> but how does that help anybody?
[02:13] <LaserJock> because it gets educators together
[02:13] <Burgwork> when you go to sell/market something, you are selling something, not a project
[02:13] <LaserJock> regardless of what .iso they are using
[02:14] <Burgwork> that place can be Edubuntu
[02:14] <Burgwork> with a bit of thinking
[02:14] <LaserJock> perhaps
[02:14] <LaserJock> but it just seems confusing to me to do that
[02:14] <Burgwork> and I see it as confusing the other way
[02:14] <LaserJock> do we want people using Kubuntu in education to use edubuntu-users as a discussion forum?
[02:15] <Burgwork> sure, if it is education related
[02:15] <LaserJock> but that is our edubuntu support forum
[02:15] <Burgwork> or make an edubuntu-general for that kind of communication
[02:15] <Burgwork> or edubuntu-education
[02:15] <LaserJock> right
[02:15] <LaserJock> so why not ubuntu-education as it is project wide
[02:15] <Burgwork> the other issue is thus: we have a growing name recognition with Edubuntu
[02:16] <Burgwork> we throw that away with ubuntu education
[02:16] <LaserJock> I wouldn't say throw out
[02:16] <LaserJock> we might make it bigger, I'm not sure
[02:16] <Burgwork> becauase ubuntu-education implies ubuntu (as a product) in education
[02:16] <LaserJock> well, it might, that's true
[02:16] <Burgwork> LaserJock: I sell things all day. I deal with brand recog all day. trust me on this one
[02:16] <LaserJock> the hope that it would me ubuntu as in project
[02:17] <LaserJock> ba
[02:17] <LaserJock> h
[02:17] <Burgwork> either way, we have confusion
[02:17] <LaserJock> I hope that it would mean ubuntu as in project
[02:17] <Burgwork> and the ubuntu-education way throws away a lot for little gain
[02:17] <LaserJock> gaining users and community
[02:17] <LaserJock> look, I can certainly understand the idea here
[02:18] <LaserJock> and ideally Edubuntu would be the one-stop-education-shop
[02:18] <LaserJock> but I honestly just don't see that happening
[02:18] <LaserJock> perhaps going to 2 cd's would hellp
[02:19] <Burgwork> Edubuntu as a one-stop-shop is undermined by this ubuntu-education
[02:19] <LaserJock> I can see that
[02:19] <LaserJock> I just wonder if we are trying to force Edubuntu to be something it isn't and perhaps can't be
[02:20] <Burgwork> I think it is due to lack of clarify upon project commencement
[02:20] <Burgwork> ogra has always thought it to be larger than LTSP
[02:20] <LaserJock> yes
[02:21] <LaserJock> but in the current state it is basically just that
[02:21] <LaserJock> Ubuntu+LTSP
[02:21] <LaserJock> now perhaps the 2nd CD will change a lot of that
[02:21] <Burgwork> yes
[02:22] <LaserJock> maybe we can add an edubuntu-kde task or something
[02:22] <Burgwork> I run into this with DiscoverStation all the time 
[02:22] <LaserJock> and more educational apps
[02:22] <Burgwork> as we are the "multi seat people", but we also do fat clients
[02:22] <RichEd> Burgwork: there is a genome project at Harvard University, using Ubuntu on HPC boxes ... will we produce an edubuntu for them ?
[02:22] <RichEd> after all, that is ubuntu in education ?
[02:23] <Burgwork> that is more likely a HPC issue
[02:23] <Burgwork> they don't reallly see themselves as education
[02:24] <LaserJock> I'm not sure about that one
[02:24] <LaserJock> in a sense they probably don't
[02:24] <LaserJock> In my case, Chemistry department at a mid-sized US research university
[02:24] <RichEd> but would we not would we want to produce a news article in an education area on what they are doing to (1) show the quality of our software base, and (2) inspire some kids using edubuntu to finish science at school and go study in that field ?
[02:25] <LaserJock> we fell like half education, half research/professional
[02:25] <LaserJock> *feel
[02:25] <Burgwork> that si a bit of a strawmen and not a huge market
[02:25] <Burgwork> RichEd, your comment, I mean
[02:26] <Burgwork> the far larger market is school classrooms, people who are going to be confused by this naming stuff
[02:26] <Burgwork> HPC people are probably already computer people
[02:26] <LaserJock> perhaps Edubuntu could be expanded in the way Ubuntu has (product and project)
[02:26] <LaserJock> but either way it's confusing I suppose
[02:28] <RichEd> And do we not want to influence the Minister of Education to beleive that Ubuntu and its variants could be used across all schools and universities, from refurb boxes to Sun Niagra boxes, across his $ 25 million budget for ICT in education under his control ?
[02:28] <Burgwork> yes we do
[02:28] <Burgwork> but how is that goal disserved by a broadening of the Edubuntu name?
[02:29] <LaserJock> I guess because they would probably be using all flavors of Ubuntu
[02:29] <LaserJock> and so then you wonder, well am I dealing with Ubuntu or Edubuntu
[02:29] <LaserJock> because I'm running Kubuntu over here
[02:29] <Burgwork> we are always going to have that confusion because of our naming
[02:29] <LaserJock> and an LTSP server running Edubuntu
[02:29] <RichEd> we are not broadening the edubuntu name ... we are stepping *backwards* to the common layer below edubuntu, across all ubuntu variants, and also forwards to the issues like applications and tools and content that work across all variants in the teaching space
[02:30] <Burgwork> I say it is better to have that confusion with the Edubuntu name
[02:30] <Burgwork> but RichEd, you are still making the assumption that Edubuntu should always be a single product
[02:30] <RichEd> Burgwork: it is
[02:30] <Burgwork> think Edubuntu as beyond LTSP, as ogra and I have always thought
[02:30] <RichEd> it is an eduction product focused on the classrom desktop
[02:31] <Burgwork> that was its early mandate, now it is time to make that bigger
[02:31] <RichEd> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
[02:31] <RichEd> Edubuntu aims to be an Ubuntu variant suitable for classroom use. The aim is to deliver a turnkey solution that enables time-poor educators with mid-range technical skills to set up a computer lab and/or establish an online learning environment with as few clicks as humanly possible, then administer that environment without having to significantly expand their technical skills. Centralized management of configuration, users, a
[02:31] <RichEd> nd processes together with facilities for working collaboratively in a classroom setting are its principal design goals. Equally important is the gathering together of the best available free software and digital materials for education under one distro.
[02:31] <RichEd> Edubuntu and Ubuntu are not meant to be seen as distinct projects; Edubuntu is part of the Ubuntu project, and they are both part of one development team that contributes to the whole. Edubuntu is Ubuntu with a different default setup.
[02:31] <Burgwork> as I said, that was its old mandate
[02:32] <Burgwork> ogra and I have always seen beyond that, realized that there is more than just LTSP
[02:32] <Burgwork> let me back up one step
[02:32] <Burgwork> part of why I bring this up is thus: I sell a product called DiscoverStation
[02:33] <RichEd> I was speaking to Guadelinux people today, with 1,100 schools and 11,000 desktops, based on Ubunbtu. They would like to be part of an Ubuntu and Education community. What do they share in common with Edubuntu ?
[02:33] <Burgwork> DiscoverStation comes in two variants: DiscoverSTation (our traditional multiseat syste) and DS SingleUser, our fat client system
[02:33] <Burgwork> we sell all of it as DS
[02:34] <Burgwork> we find that selling it all as DS is good, because that there is a enough commonality that it doesn't matter when peopel are making initial decisions
[02:34] <Burgwork> whether they choose multi or single comes down a discussion from the sales person (me) to them, finding out their needs
[02:34] <Burgwork> I say we do the same for Edubuntu
[02:35] <Burgwork> do we see what I mean?
[02:35] <Burgwork> I am saying these things out of experience
[02:36] <RichEd> give me a minute ...
[02:37] <LaserJock> I'm a little hesitant though to sell Edubuntu but then provide {K,X,}ubuntu
[02:38] <LaserJock> it seems a little bit different then your'e DS analogy
[02:38] <Burgwork> I don't see it as that
[02:38] <RichEd> Ubuntu comes in four variants: Ubuntu, (our traditional operating system) and Edubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu
[02:38] <RichEd> We sell all of it as Ubuntu
[02:38] <RichEd> We find that selling it all as Ubuntu is good, because that there is a enough commonality that it doesn't matter when people are making initial decisions
[02:38] <RichEd> Whether they choose Ubuntu or Edubuntu or Kubuntu comes down a discussion from the sales person (me) to them, finding out their needs
[02:38] <RichEd> :)
[02:41] <Burgwork> hmm
[02:41] <RichEd> Burgwork: I do not want to say that there is a 100% right or wrong either way ... both have risks and rewards
[02:41] <Burgwork> yes
[02:42] <RichEd> I have spoken to at least 40 people across all spectrums, and it makes sense to them from their perspective, where they are education users of Ubuntu but not Edubuntu 
[02:42] <RichEd> I would say that the ratio of views is 5:1 ubuntu-education vs edubuntu
[02:43] <LaserJock> we can still push Edubuntu so that it has a bigger share in the ubuntu education market I suppose
[02:43] <Burgwork> yep
[02:43] <Burgwork> I need to go home as well
[02:43] <Burgwork> cya in a bit
[02:43] <LaserJock> me too
[02:43] <RichEd> Perhaps I can offer one bit of statistical results ... look at the number of people in this channel. It is growing weekly. I would like to think that some of that growth is as a result of the debate and approach
[02:48] <ace> hiya
[02:49] <ace> Burgwork, LaserJock, RichEd, still here ?
[02:51] <ace> apparently not, okay, so later. Interesting discussion though. I think you should sell BUNTU and then start the live dvd with 4 big icons: U, Ku, Xu and Edu. 
[02:52] <ace> And then have an icon on tjhe menu somewhere: install other Buntu's. 
[02:52] <ace> For instance, I installed ubuntu edgy, and now I am stuck with rhytmbox as mp3 player. I want amarok. I hit amarok in the installer and all kinds of
[02:53] <ace> stuff starts happening. Then I want digikam. More stuff is happening.
[02:53] <ace> then kmail. But kmail under gnome works, but not pop3-ssl that it needs. So in last despair, I installed kde.
[02:54] <ace> Now I want some games for my kids, they are not in the ubuntu gnome menu. I want them all, I don't want to handpcik them. best way to do that is 
[02:54] <ace> to install Edu. 
[02:55] <ace> Make those choices sepearate from the low level packages. And when you select individual packages, ASK if they instead want the entire K or X or U or Edu !
[02:55] <ace> At this moment, I am SURE that I have Ubuntu on my machine. I have most of the KDE stuff but I am not sure of I have Kubuntu on my machine. 
[02:55] <ace> Since some days, suddenly, my splash screen is Edubuntu. But I am sure I never installed edubuntu (maybe
[02:56] <ace> one or two games, but not a 'package' edubuntu and soitanly not the artwork....
[02:56] <ace> Riched
[02:56] <ace> Laserjock
[02:56] <ace> Burgwork
[02:57] <ace> And as for Edubuntu as educational... I think a LOT of work can and should be done to make more educational stuff available. If I put my two kids 6 and 8 yrs
[02:57] <ace> in fromt of edubuntu, they won't have much fun. Instead, I run win4lin with win98 and the entire digikidz.nl suite, now that's some software.
[02:58] <ace> What would help already would be bookmarks to games/edu sites like BBC flash site (and make sure flash will work too)
[02:58] <ace> educational distro without flash is almost a shame
[02:58] <ace> anyway
[02:58] <ace> enough rant for today
[02:58] <ace> see ya
[04:23] <mhz> hi all
[04:23] <ace> hi
[04:23] <mhz> Does Edubuntu ships any default SMTP server config?
[04:23] <ace> sorry, no idea
[04:23] <Burgundavia> mhz: nope
[04:24] <ace> I think you can install postfix or exim very easy though
[04:24] <mhz> Burgundavia: okis, you recommend any
[04:24] <mhz> ?
[04:24] <mhz> ace: thx
[04:28] <ace> mhz: you don't need an smtp server for sending mail, per se
[04:28] <ace> you can also use a smarthost or the smtp server from the provider
[04:29] <ace> you can make sure your email client is configured okay
[04:29] <ace> !smtp
[04:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smtp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:42] <Volodya> hi!
[06:38] <RichEd> ping highvoltage 
[06:40] <LaserJock> I'd think it was still a little early for him
[06:41] <Burgundavia> 8am there
[06:45] <highvoltage> RichEd: pong
[09:55] <highvoltage> 4
[11:14] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: hi
[11:14] <edubuntugirl> buon giorno, highvoltage!
[11:32] <DanielC> Howdy. Is Edgy stable? I know it was supposed to be "edgy" but I've heard that it didn't come out very edgy at the end.
[11:36] <cbx33> does network-manager run on xfce?
[11:54] <cbx33> someone just said wpa is broken in edgy
[11:54] <cbx33> is this right?
[01:37] <ulinskie> anybody got a good tutorial on scribus?
[04:01] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:03] <SimonAnibal> Howdy!
[04:03] <bddebian> Hello SimonAnibal
[04:04] <SimonAnibal> How are you, bddebian 
[04:04] <SimonAnibal> ??
[04:04] <bddebian> Swamped at work :-(  You?
[04:12] <SimonAnibal> bddebian: Does my delay answer your question?
[04:12] <SimonAnibal> bddebian: I'm in the same boat
[04:14] <bddebian> SimonAnibal: Aye ;-)
[04:15] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: translate from german halt! hammerzeit
[04:15] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: The 'fish gave: stop! hammer time
[04:23] <jsgotangco> hmm?
[04:25] <SimonAnibal> highvoltage: ???
[04:25] <highvoltage> SimonAnibal: yes?
[04:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> !!!
[04:25] <SimonAnibal> highvoltage: Should I go get my hammer, MC?
[04:26] <highvoltage> SimonAnibal: :)
[04:26] <highvoltage> SimonAnibal: I just wanted to test edubuntugirl's babelfish :)
[04:26] <highvoltage> "halt! hammerzeit" is nearly the only German I know :)
[04:26] <SimonAnibal> highvoltage: You know, that might be a good phrase the next time I get called down to do tech support on an XP box
[04:26] <highvoltage> heh :)
[04:26] <highvoltage> it's used in pizza commercials here
[04:27] <SimonAnibal> huh?
[04:27] <highvoltage> so each time I see any reference to that song I think about pizza.
[04:27] <highvoltage> 'stop, pizzatime'
[04:27] <SimonAnibal> Did M.C. Hammer get into the pizza business?
[04:27] <SimonAnibal> oh
[04:27] <SimonAnibal> oic
[04:27] <SimonAnibal> Print cartriges call...*sigh*...
[06:21] <ukubuntu> Hi all, has anyone considered GRAMPS for the Edubuntu core? Its a geneology package
[06:22] <Burgwork> ukubuntu: the issue currently is lack of space on the cd
[06:22] <ukubuntu> True, I thought of that after I wrote it :$
[06:24] <ukubuntu> Does Edubutu hold a recommended educational programs list, and then maybe this could be linked to from the desktop of a new install or the bookmarks?
[06:27] <ukubuntu> perhaps we should have a software review site. I know there are otheres out there but perhaps it better coming from the base, so to speak
[06:30] <Burgwork> ukubuntu: there are ones out there, and a generic plan to make LP that, but nothingyet
[06:30] <evilmercer> is there an edgy alternate install cd for edubuntu? I have some computers without internet access im trying to upgrade
[06:32] <Burgwork> yes
[06:33] <evilmercer> Wheres it located? I dont see it on the edubuntu site
[06:33] <ukubuntu> Thx Burgwork, perhaps I should consider making some reviews myself? :)
[06:33] <Burgwork> sure, that would rock
[06:37] <cbx33> hey ukubuntu 
[06:37] <cbx33> are you in the uk?
[06:38] <ukubuntu> I am CB33, near Stonehenge (says alot!)
[06:39] <evilmercer> does anyone know where I can find an edubuntu 6.10 alternate installation iso?
[06:42] <ukubuntu> cbx33 any reason?
[06:42] <cbx33> I'm in the uk that's all
[06:42] <cbx33> ;)
[06:42] <LaserJock> morning Pete
[06:42] <ukubuntu> okey doke, my nic says it all I hope :)
[06:42] <cbx33> LaserJock, !!! dude hi
[06:44] <ukubuntu> evilmercer do you mean here http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/6.10/ the install only CD as the other is the live cd
[06:46] <evilmercer> guess they dont have one, for ubuntu they have a ubutu-6.10-alternate-i386 i was looking for an edubuntu version, maybe the install and not the live will have what im looking for
[06:47] <ukubuntu> I think the thing is that the alternate requires less ram to install as you do not install with the LIVE actually running. Is that why you want the alternate?
[06:47] <jsgotangco> the default of edubuntu is an installer CD
[06:47] <jsgotangco> because it has ltsp
[06:48] <jsgotangco> the livecd doesn't have it
[06:48] <ukubuntu> I see
[06:48] <evilmercer> ok
[06:48] <jsgotangco> its a bit confusing from the norm but we'll change the naming convention for feisty
[06:50] <evilmercer> edubuntu is pretty sweet looking when you add the newest version of beryl with its fire effects
[07:55] <Nuffing> RichEd, PING
[07:58] <LaserJock> Nuffing: you guys are just having a terrible time
[07:59] <Nuffing> I'm telling you he is hiding!
[08:06] <pygi> Nuffing: hey ho 
[08:13] <cbx33> hey all
[08:27] <stgraber> RichEd: Do you know if anyone made ltsp-manager working on Edgy ?
[08:28] <stgraber> I just installed it and it can't find the .glade file (which is located in /usr/share/ltsp-manager/)
[08:28] <RichEd> i can check with ogra in an hour
[08:28] <LaserJock> I thought he said it was non-functional or something
[08:28] <stgraber> ok, looks like it is searching the .glade file in the current directory instead of the /usr/share one
[08:31] <RichEd> hi LaserJock ...
[08:31] <LaserJock> hi RichEd 
[08:31] <stgraber> gtk.glade.xml("./ltsp-manager.glade"), so it's meant to start from /usr/share/ltsp-manager/
[08:36] <cbx33> stgraber, ltsp-manager doesnt actually work yet i don;t think
[08:36] <cbx33> ie it's totally not finished
[08:36] <cbx33> just a front screen
[08:37] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[08:37] <stgraber> cbx33: Indeed, btw the GUI really looks nice and is easy to use (it just doesn't save the changes)
[08:38] <cbx33> stgraber, it doesn't do anything yet
[08:38] <cbx33> I hoped to help ogra on that last release but got too caught up in Student Control Panel
[08:39] <stgraber> cbx33: Yes, I was just trying it to see how it looks (I was at both student control panel and ltsp-manager bof (by voip))
[08:39] <cbx33> excellent
[09:00] <cbx33> hey pygi 
[09:01] <pygi> hi cafuego 
[09:01] <pygi> cbx33 even :P
[09:01] <stgraber> hi
[09:01] <cbx33> heheh
[09:01] <cbx33> hows it all going
[09:01] <stgraber> auto-completition :)
[09:01] <cbx33> Mr pygi 
[09:01] <pygi> how may I help you cbx33 ? :)
[09:01] <cbx33> just saying hey
[09:02] <pygi> oh, oki :P
[09:02] <pygi> how are you?