[12:48] <toma> mo
[12:49] <allee> toma: ? ;)
[12:50] <toma> allee: thats short for 'hi Hobbsee, how are you! Goodmorning!'
[12:50] <allee> toma: please add to kdict ;)
[12:50] <toma> ;-)
[12:50] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:50] <allee> ah, before I forget: hi Hobbsee, how are you! Goodmorning!
[12:50] <Hobbsee> toma: heya :)
[12:50] <Hobbsee> hey allee :)
[12:51] <allee> Hobbsee: your not in MTV?
[12:51] <Hobbsee> allee: nope, exams
[12:51] <Hobbsee> next week, and assignments
[12:52] <allee> Hobbsee: I'll bug our network admin tomorrow uto death until I get VOIP working.  I want at least to participate once ;)
[12:52] <Hobbsee> allee: hehe :)
[12:52] <Hobbsee> allee: not sure how much kubuntu stuff is happening via UDS - you'd have to ask Riddell 
[12:53] <allee> Hobbsee: there also server stuff I'm interested in.  but I don't dare to ask until it works
[12:54] <allee> yeah! knetworkmangaer works again
[12:54] <Hobbsee> allee: yay!
[12:54] <Hobbsee> allee: i doubt they'll bite you
[12:55] <allee> Hobbsee: but it's a waste of their time when your network admin don't poke the right holes into the fw
[12:55] <Hobbsee> allee: true
[12:56] <allee> Hobbsee: after exams, you'll relax with a lots of poking with a stick here again?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> allee: yep, and do merging, etc
[12:57] <allee> ah, merging .... drums roll ....
[12:57] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:57] <Hobbsee> we should look at doing that sanely too
[12:57] <Hobbsee> i just havent had time
[12:57] <allee> you have already an alioth acount?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> nope
[12:58] <toma> allee: ;-)
[12:58] <allee> Hobbsee: => KubuntuKDEExtras
[12:58] <allee> toma: heh, you guessed it :)
[12:58] <Hobbsee> allee: yeah i saw it in my email, thanks :)
[12:58] <toma> OMG, ssstttt, you can not say that
[12:59] <Hobbsee> well, debian specifically
[12:59] <allee> Hobbsee: me, too.  But I commit to alioth and let the sync magic do the stuff instead of merging
[12:59] <Hobbsee> true
[12:59] <allee> ^^ sure not possible with all pkgs
[12:59] <Hobbsee> true
[01:00] <fdoving> kubuntu needs some kind of VCS for packages. each packager having his $HOME/packages/ just isn't good enought. imho.
[01:00] <fdoving> nite.
[01:00] <allee> fdoving: heh, famous last word (for today)
[01:00] <allee> nite fdoving
[01:01] <fdoving> everyone agrees so it's not worth a discussion, nite :)
[01:01] <Hobbsee> fdoving: we can discuss anyway
[01:01] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:03] <allee> yeap, looks like a policy for backports soon exists.  So after some testing stuff can move from $home/package to backports
[01:03] <allee> as long as 10 other MOTUs agree
[01:03] <Riddell> Hobbsee: how much kubuntu stuff is happening at UDS?!?!?   loads and loads and LOADS!
[01:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes, but via VOIP????
[01:04] <Riddell> it's not really scheduled
[01:04] <Hobbsee> i've no question on whether stuff is happening or not
[01:04] <Hobbsee> didnt think so :P
[01:04] <Riddell> the schedule worked well for about two days but it's broken down now 
[01:04] <Hobbsee> yeah, suspected as much - the team is much smaller
[01:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i had something to tell you, from #kde-devel.  now i just have to remember what it was
[01:06] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato 
[01:06] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee! :)
[01:13] <jeroenvrp> hi folks
[01:13] <jeroenvrp> me gain
[01:13] <jeroenvrp> I have found a reproducablem kde-bug; should I submit it to KDE or launchpad
[01:13] <jeroenvrp> it's about the non-working screensaver for some in edgy
[01:14] <Hobbsee> both?
[01:14] <Hobbsee> you can link hte LP one to the one upstream
[01:14] <jeroenvrp> ok
[01:14] <jeroenvrp> np
[01:14] <jeroenvrp> just a copt+paste
[01:14] <jeroenvrp> 1 moment
[01:23] <jeroenvrp> #70991
[01:23] <jeroenvrp> bug 70991
[01:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70991 in kdeartwork "Disabling energy saving of monitor; changes the normal screensaver to a e.g. blank screen or a screen with an X" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70991
[01:32] <allee> jeroenvrp: oh, and I wondered by I suddenly had this X screensaver.  Thought it was Tonio_ fault' ;)
[01:32] <Tonio_> oh la la
[01:33] <Tonio_> allee: that's X default config, nothing yo do with kde :)
[01:33] <jeroenvrp> allee: I don't know whos fault it is, but I glad I've found this bug :-)
[01:33] <Tonio_> and if I had to do it I would have choosen something better :)
[01:34] <jeroenvrp> yes I proberly listed it on the wrong place, but I really didn't know where to list it
[01:34] <Tonio_> allee: bah that's fine :)
[01:36] <allee> jeroenvrp: the behaviour, makes not sense.  If engery saving is on, then not screensaver should be used because the backlight will be switched of and any screensaver can't be seen.
[01:37] <jeroenvrp> allee: well if energy saver is on; it's normal that first a scrresaver comes up
[01:37] <allee> afaiu, energy saving should use the dpms settings
[01:38] <jeroenvrp> but if energy saver is off it makes no sense to eat the screensaver
[01:39] <allee> jeroenvrp: right, screensaver can be seen if dpms setting is bigger than idle time until screensaver appears
[01:42] <allee> jeroenvrp: the screensaver and dpms section of the output of xset q, maybe helpful to understand what's wrong
[01:43] <jeroenvrp> allee: Do you need an output of something?
[01:45] <allee> jeroenvrp: I assume this would make it easier.  Have a look at xset q output.  There's info on Screensaver and DPMS.  Maybe one can see there what goes wrong
[01:46] <jeroenvrp> allee: ok - when the enegry saving is off, I presume?
[01:49] <jeroenvrp> allee: ok, I did it with both settings (only 2 lines diff); I will paste it in the bug
[01:50] <allee> k
[01:52] <jeroenvrp> allee: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdeartwork/+bug/70991
[01:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70991 in kdeartwork "Disabling energy saving of monitor; changes the normal screensaver to a e.g. blank screen or a screen with an X" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[01:52] <allee> k thx
[01:53] <jeroenvrp> good luck with it
[01:53] <jeroenvrp> I'm going to do other things
[02:11] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ping?
[02:26] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee 
[02:27] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon!
[02:28] <_nixternal> hiya everyone!
[02:30] <Hobbsee> hey _nixternal 
[02:31] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: what magic did you figure out today?
[02:31] <seele> 42
[02:38] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:21] <Riddell> imbrandon: are you going to write koffice-by-default or should we get someone else to do it?
[03:22] <Riddell> well, less write more delete all the comments and turn some bullet points into prose
[03:22] <_nixternal> oy Riddell, are you enjoying yourself this week?
[03:23] <Riddell> nixternal: when I'm not feeling too stressed with the sheer amount of stuff to be done over the next 6 months :)
[03:23] <_nixternal> ya, i hear ya, but just think, i will be here hounding you as well for the next 6 months, but i call that working ;)
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell gets stressed?
[03:24] <_nixternal> if you have some easy things to get done, and im around, i can lend a hand to help you out, that goes for all you goofy KDE devs ;)
[03:24] <_nixternal> except Hobbsee ;)
[03:24] <Hobbsee> hrmmm?
[03:24] <sebas> nixternal: Port ubiquity to Qt4
[03:25] <Hobbsee> too slow
[03:25] <_nixternal> damn, trademarked it as well
[03:25] <_nixternal> CC-by-SA 2.5?
[03:25] <sebas> Or better yet, package PyQt4.1 (the qt 4.2 version)
[03:25] <_nixternal> sebas: i will get right on that
[03:25] <_nixternal> fancy waiting until next year?
[03:25] <sebas> Ah, cool!
[03:25] <_nixternal> ;)
[03:26] <sebas> Uhm, it's just a package :>
[03:26] <sebas> Gotta run out, :**
[03:26] <_nixternal> hehe
[03:26] <_nixternal> later
[03:31] <ryanakca> _nixternal: "The KDEPIM package should depend on libgpgme >= 0.4.7. If it does not, complain to the packager."
[03:31] <ryanakca> ryan@rkavanagh:~$ apt-cache show kdepim | grep libgpgme                     outputs nothing
[03:31] <_nixternal> nice
[03:32] <ryanakca> who's the packager? :D
[03:32] <_nixternal> not me
[03:32] <ryanakca> lol
[03:32] <Hobbsee> not me
[03:32] <_nixternal> heh
[03:33] <ryanakca> lol
[03:33] <_nixternal> there he went
[03:33] <_nixternal> hahaha
[03:33] <ryanakca> Lure....
[03:33] <_nixternal> no, but it would be funny if he was
[03:33] <ryanakca> chicken!
[03:33] <ryanakca> lol
[03:33] <_nixternal> hahahaha
[03:33] <_nixternal> apt-get src kdepim
[03:33] <ryanakca> Maintainer: Ubuntu Core Developers <ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>
[03:33] <_nixternal> vi /kdepim/debian/control
[03:34] <_nixternal> add the libgpgme stuff in the depends
[03:34] <ryanakca> that happens to be very helpfull
[03:34] <_nixternal> then cd ..
[03:34] <ryanakca> yes, I know :D
[03:34] <_nixternal> debuild -S ;)
[03:34] <ryanakca> and then pbuilder it :D
[03:34] <_nixternal> hahahaha
[03:34] <ryanakca> should I file a bug as well?
[03:34] <_nixternal> i would
[03:34] <_nixternal> if it depends on that, but isn't setup to do so, then it is a bug
[03:34] <ryanakca> because that automagicly kills my GPG encryption in KMail... from what I see based on the document
[03:35] <_nixternal> really
[03:35] <Hobbsee> file a bug for it, yeah
[03:35] <ryanakca> I can encrypt and sign, but I can,t decrypt... 
[03:35] <Hobbsee> !info libgpgme                     
[03:35] <ubotu> Package libgpgme does not exist in any distro I know
[03:35] <Hobbsee> !info libgpgme edgy
[03:35] <ubotu> Package libgpgme does not exist in edgy
[03:35] <_nixternal> my gpg encryption works fine, and i can even receive encrypted emails and pinentry will ask for my password and decrypt it right there in kmail
[03:35] <ryanakca> !info libgpgme11
[03:35] <ubotu> libgpgme11: GPGME - GnuPG Made Easy. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.2-2 (edgy), package size 162 kB, installed size 356 kB
[03:36] <Hobbsee> libgpgme11-dev as a build dep, i expect
[03:36] <ryanakca> !info libgpgme6
[03:36] <ubotu> libgpgme6: GPGME - GnuPG Made Easy. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.16-2 (edgy), package size 66 kB, installed size 172 kB
[03:36] <_nixternal> optional is a good clue
[03:36] <ryanakca> odd... just a sec, I'll get you the errors...
[03:37] <ryanakca> Today 16:51:58
[03:37] <ryanakca> Encrypted message (decryption not possible)
[03:37] <ryanakca> Reason: Crypto plug-in "openpgp" could not decrypt the data.
[03:37] <ryanakca> Error: Bad passphrase
[03:37] <ryanakca>   Encrypted data not shown.
[03:37] <ryanakca>   End of encrypted message
[03:38] <ryanakca> do I pastebin the apt-cache show kdepim output?
[03:38] <ryanakca> I mean add it to the bug report?
[03:47] <ryanakca> _nixternal, Hobbsee: done, bug 71012
[03:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71012 in kdepim "KDE-PIM isn't built with "libgpgme >= 0.4.7" as a dependency" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71012
[03:48] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: can you subscribe me to that bug please?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> _nixternal: neither.  i dont run those apps
[03:49] <_nixternal> i love kmail, can't live w/o it
[03:49] <_nixternal> i could never go back to mutt or pine after kmail
[03:49] <_nixternal> it is hard for me to use irssi after konversation now...the gui has spoiled me baddly
[03:49] <ryanakca> done
[03:49] <ryanakca> lol, same
[03:49] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:50] <Hobbsee> konversation is not part of kdepim!
[03:50] <_nixternal> actually Hobbsee, konversation ties in nicely with kdepim now ;)
[03:50] <Hobbsee> it probably does.  how so/
[03:50] <_nixternal> kmail hasn't crashed on me at all with edgy
[03:51] <_nixternal> i can link you here in konversation to your info in my kaddressbook
[03:51] <_nixternal> so i can right click your name in konvo, and send you a file via email if need be, or send an email right from konvo
[03:52] <_nixternal> or, put your hackergotchi in kaddressbook, and it shows up next to your name in konversation ;)
[03:52] <_nixternal> but that gets annoying after a while
[03:52] <Hobbsee> ah right
[08:14] <Jucato> night Riddell :)
[08:24] <Riddell> _Sime: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFeistySystemSettings
[08:24] <_Sime> hi
[08:24] <Riddell> morning :)
[08:24] <Riddell> _Sime: should we start a System Settings for KDE 4 campaign?
[08:25] <_Sime> Riddell: who do we lobby? :)
[08:25] <Jucato> ooh System Settings...
[08:25] <_Sime> Riddell: the system settings / kcontrol / modules discussion needs to open.
[08:25] <Riddell> _Sime: kde-core-devel, tech working group
[08:26] <_Sime> Riddell: It will be interesting for guidance. I've also been slowly working on a kind of annoucement / "Statement of intention" for PyKDE.
[08:26] <_Sime> Riddell: basically PyKDE will go into KDE SVN proper.
[08:29] <seaLne> Riddell: still up?
[08:30] <Riddell> seaLne: briefly
[08:43] <imbrandon> Riddell: yea i'm doing the koffice stuff now
[08:43] <imbrandon> arg lag
[08:43] <Riddell> _Sime: that's been agreed with jim?
[01:03] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: hey
[01:03] <Hobbsee> hey ryanakca :)
[01:04] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: should I set bug 71012 to confirmed? since it's a simple-ish bug... and anybody can confirm it by looking at apt-cache show kdepim?
[01:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71012 in kdepim "KDE-PIM isn't built with "libgpgme >= 0.4.7" as a dependency" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71012
[01:04] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yeah, if you want.
[01:05] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: who tends to upload kdepim?
[01:05] <ryanakca> dunno... I'm guessing imbrandon might have something to do with it... same with riddell... 
[01:05] <ryanakca> no clue about anybody else
[01:05] <Hobbsee> oh, tonio does
[01:06] <Hobbsee> and imbrandon doesnt touch kdepim :P
[01:06] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i'm not sure if debian's and ours will be merged in
[01:06] <Hobbsee> you dont need to d othat
[01:06] <ryanakca> kk
[01:06] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim for one thing
[01:06] <ryanakca> lol
[01:06] <Hobbsee> also, changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/kdepim/ should also tell you
[01:07] <ryanakca> we have a changelogs.ubuntu.com? heh...
[01:08] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:08] <Hobbsee> we also have a patches.ubuntu.com and a merges.ubuntu.com
[01:08] <ryanakca> The requested URL /changelogs/pool/main/kdepim/ was not found on this server.
[01:08] <ryanakca> merges... never figured out how to do those
[01:08] <Hobbsee> go back to changelogs.ubuntu.com
[01:08] <Hobbsee> i guessed the address
[01:09] <ryanakca> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/k/kdepim/
[01:09] <Hobbsee> ah, that's right
[01:09] <Hobbsee> i *knew* i;d miss something!
[01:09] <ryanakca> lol
[01:10] <ryanakca> Riddel, Tonio, Daniel Holbach (what's his irc nick again?), schepler from debian, and raphink all the way back in May
[01:11] <Hobbsee> dholbach
[01:11] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:11] <Hobbsee> oh well, i might poke that in a few days
[01:11] <Hobbsee> else just upload it anyway
[01:11] <Hobbsee> well, poke someone to upload it
[01:11] <Hobbsee> seeing as i dont plan on going for core
[01:12] <ryanakca> kk
[01:13] <ryanakca> should be easy to fix, unless they did "The packager has shipped a patched version of KMail that does not require GpgME to build. Needless to say that in this case, this howto won't be of any use for you, since such a stripped-down KMail won't support cryptography anyway."
[01:13] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: of course.  i'd prefer to fix a few more things in one upload, maybe?
[01:13] <Hobbsee> that may be SRU-able, too, i guess
[01:14] <ryanakca> yeah
[01:19] <ryanakca> bbl, school
[01:41] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ping?
[01:41] <Hobbsee> oh wrong time of day, darn
[01:41] <Jucato> Hobbsee: 6:42am CST
[01:41] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yeah :(
[01:42] <Mez> Jucato, 4:42 am in MTV
[01:42] <Jucato> well, normal people would be awake by that time :P
[01:42] <Jucato> Mez: hehe good morning to you :)
[01:42] <Mez> Jucato: afternnon
[01:43] <Mez> and I best be going to work as soon as all this has transferred to my MP3 player
[02:58] <Jucato> grrr...
[02:59] <Jucato> told you
[02:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:59] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Hah
[02:59] <abattoir> haha, told you too ;)
[02:59] <abattoir> omg
[02:59] <Tm_T> Hrrrr.
[02:59] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Hobbsee pinged you last night, have you ponged her back :P
[02:59] <Hawkwind> Dohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[02:59] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you ping'ed me earlier? sorry I wasn't here... (or I was, but my internet connection must have been whacked)
[02:59] <abattoir> hi Tm_T :)
[02:59] <Tm_T> Hi kids.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ahh, right.  forum ambassador stuff, was thinking in terms of kubuntu forums.  you're a little late now though
[03:00] <Hawkwind> LOL @ (tm)
[03:00] <Jucato> I'm definitely late...
[03:00] <Hobbsee> yep :P
[03:00] <jsgotangco> forum abassador?
[03:00] <Jucato> I barely settled in with Edgy, so I'm pretty disoriented with all the Feisty planning going on...
[03:00] <Hobbsee> ahh
[03:00] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: connectoin between the forums and the devs
[03:01] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Time to get yourself situated.  You're needed
[03:01] <Jucato> Hawkwind: if you didn't get that last part, she said that I'm late already :P
[03:01] <jsgotangco> Hobbsee: oh its like having a consular office or something lol
[03:01] <jsgotangco> jeezz
[03:01] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:01] <Hobbsee> how so?
[03:02] <jsgotangco> i dunno how am i different from a forum poster
[03:02] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: you know more dev stuff than they do :P
[03:03] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: but yes, the idea that the devs dont already know what the users want is rather....crazy
[03:04] <Jucato> Hobbsee: but the devs not knowing what the users are experiencing isn't as crazy as it sounds
[03:04] <Hobbsee> Jucato: why so?
[03:04] <jsgotangco> why so?
[03:04] <jsgotangco> we dont live in ivory towers
[03:05] <|joe|> hello
[03:05] <Hobbsee> Jucato: and there's a difference between what they want, and what they're experiencing
[03:05] <Jucato> the changes for System Settings for one
[03:05] <Hobbsee> hey |joe| 
[03:05] <|joe|> Hobbsee: i was looking for you yesterday but i think i'm not anymore :), because of knights
[03:05] <Hobbsee> |joe|: ooh, what about it?
[03:06] <|joe|> Hobbsee: crashes in edgy, but mez already took care of it
[03:06] <Hobbsee> |joe|: ahhh
[03:06] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[03:08] <Hobbsee> hey sredna!
[03:09] <|joe|> Riddell: ?
[03:09] <seele> too early, its only 0600 in california
[03:10] <|joe|> aaah
[03:10] <Jucato> wow! seele is in here?!
[03:10] <abattoir> mhb: ping
[03:10] <el> heya Jucato :)
[03:11] <seele> haha
[03:11] <Jucato> hi el! :)
[03:11] <Hobbsee> must be someone famous and cool, though :)
[03:11] <seele> Hobbsee: i was at UDS-MtV
[03:11] <el> heh :)
[03:11] <seele> Hobbsee: im a KDE chica
[03:11] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[03:11] <Jucato> Celeste Paul. KDE HIG
[03:11] <Hobbsee> ahhhhh....
[03:11] <Jucato> her interview in the Dot caused quite a ruckus :P
[03:12] <Jucato> er.. in people.kde.nl actually
[03:12] <Hobbsee> so *you're* the famous Celeste too, that i hear discussed
[03:12] <seele> lol
[03:12] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:12] <seele> im famous?  not rich tho, hehe
[03:12] <jsgotangco> glamorous would be fab as well
[03:12] <Hobbsee> Jucato: why so?
[03:13] <Jucato> :)
[03:15] <Jucato> Hobbsee: http://dot.kde.org/1156972507/
[03:15] <Hobbsee> thanks.  i'm lazy
[03:15] <Jucato> to make a long story short: most of the discussion revolved around comments about her looks :)
[03:17] <Hawkwind> Your a Gnome user ?
[03:17] <abattoir> jsgotangco: good for you ;)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, i did see this....
[03:17] <Hawkwind> s/Your/You're
[03:17] <seele> bah, i didnt care ;)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Jucato: so i noticed.  seems that us women need lots of duct tape, to put over men's eyes
[03:17] <Hobbsee> seele: it's kind of a compliment, anyway :)
[03:18] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ehehe... I guess some guys just couldn't help it. seele *is* pretty :)
[03:18] <seele> its kind of silly to not expect comments -- good or bad -- when a picture is posted
[03:18] <jsgotangco> Hawkwind: was KDE user before, contributed years and years ago, moved to oz project, moved to gnome did some stuff, rested a bit, been using kde for quite a while and switched
[03:18] <jsgotangco> back
[03:18] <Hobbsee> seele: that is true.  which is why i dont show pictures, of course :P
[03:18] <jsgotangco> Hobbsee: lol
[03:19] <jsgotangco> for all its worth, someone saw my pic before in a UDS and made me a hackergotchi
[03:19] <jsgotangco> i didnt even ask
[03:20] <Hobbsee> ah yes, i saw that interview
[03:20] <Hobbsee> seele: a co-lover of chocolate!  yay!
[03:21] <seele> Hobbsee: chocolate > *
[03:21] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:21] <Hobbsee> seele: more chocolate > some chocolate :P
[03:21] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you should listen to her Konqcast interview... the part that aseigo didn't edit out :P
[03:22] <Hobbsee> oh?
[03:22] <jsgotangco> does aaron hang out here???
[03:22] <Jucato> no
[03:22] <Jucato> he's in #kubuntu though
[03:22] <jsgotangco> weird
[03:22] <jsgotangco> fun guy to be with though
[03:23] <seele> Jucato: ;-P
[03:25] <|joe|> Hobbsee: is there any women who does not like chocolate? :)
[03:25] <Hobbsee> |joe|: sure.  my friend isnt a fan of it
[03:25] <seele> i knew one who was allergic to it
[03:26] <Hobbsee> mmm...chocolate...
[03:26] <Hawkwind> Though I'm not a woman, chocolate is disgusting.  White chocolate is good but other than that, ya'll can have that nasty stuff :P
[03:26] <Hobbsee> who brought that up?  it's got 1am!
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: excellent!  hand it over!
[03:26] <|joe|> Hobbsee: kind of exception confirming the rule :)
[03:27] <Hobbsee> thankyou :)
[03:27] <seele> that's it?
[03:27] <|joe|> Hobbsee: anyway month ago i was in choc-musem, my friend was just mad about it, so we had to go to cologne
[03:27] <seele> i could easily take out the stock in all of north amarica and be working towards the south 
[03:27] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:27] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I certainly have been re-cured :)
[03:28] <Hobbsee> seele: just leave me aust and europe, right?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Jucato: heh
[03:28] <seele> Hobbsee: maybe, if you promise to send me presents from there :)
[03:28] <Hobbsee> seele: hehe.  now the postage from that would be nasty
[03:28] <Tm_T> Hmmh, anyone using bluetooth? How do you manage to pair devices?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> i have one bluetooth device
[03:29] <abattoir> Tm_T: hmmm deja vu
[03:29] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Take some of Hobbsee's and seele's :)
[03:29] <Tm_T> Me and two other guys am wondering how it happens, just can't figure out why it doesn't work.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hence, pairing doesnt exist
[03:29] <Tm_T> :)
[03:29] <Jucato> ugh! sudden lag!
[03:30] <Tm_T> abattoir: ?
[03:30] <Tm_T> abattoir: Yu, I have been asking this earlier too. :)
[03:30] <abattoir> Tm_T: haven't we had this discussion before? pre-edgy? ;)
[03:30] <Tm_T> Yes.
[03:30] <|joe|> Tm_T: how it happens or how you do it in linux?
[03:30] <abattoir> Tm_T: i do it from my phone
[03:30] <abattoir> Tm_T: i really don't understand the use for the 
[03:31] <abattoir> 'Paired Devices' tool/widget or whatever it's called
[03:31] <Tm_T> hcitool cc && hcitool auth -> HCI authentication request failed: Input/output error
[03:31] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Just the imprints aren't nice when you wake up :P
[03:31] <Jucato> night Hobbsee! :)
[03:32] <Hobbsee> iv'e done that
[03:32] <Hobbsee> had a nice imprint from my watch
[03:32] <Hawkwind> And the drool can ruin a keyboard too
[03:32] <Hawkwind> Hah
[03:32] <abattoir> Hawkwind: not if it's a laptop keyboard ;)
[03:32] <Hobbsee> seeing as i fell asleep on my arm in a library.  well, in many libraries
[03:32] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: Sleep well. :)
[03:32] <Hobbsee> and this is a laptop
[03:32] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Heh, I've never fallen asleep on my laptop
[03:34] <Hobbsee> that being said, some of tomorrow's sessions look interesting
[03:42] <moi1392> hello, does liblazy is to be packaged for ubuntu ?
[03:42] <moi1392> it is a dependency, since some times, for kickoff, I just update my kickoff source today and they not compile anymore :(
[03:43] <moi1392> *link
[03:43] <Tm_T> moi1392: Hmm, wait, you have to workaround it, that's "only in suse" thing.
[03:44] <moi1392> Tm_T liblazy only in suse ? it was announced in XDG mailing list 2 moth ago :/ 
[03:44] <Jucato> kickoff in SUSE
[03:44] <Tm_T> moi1392: Dunno, that's what I heard, anyway, you don't need it.
[03:44] <moi1392> yes, but it work on kubuntu if you build it ;)
[03:45] <Tm_T> Like I did. ;)
[03:45] <moi1392> too bad it's that much included in kdebase ad cannot be extracted easyly :(
[03:45] <Tm_T> moi1392: I have ugly way to fix compilation problem, I'll paste it all to somewhere, so hold on. :)
[03:46] <Tm_T> moi1392: Btw all you have to compile&&install is kdebase/kicker and kdebase/kcontrol/kicker
[03:46] <moi1392> Tm_T : me too, I hack Makefiles directly :p but here i'm not sure, i try to remove the dependency but if it is used, it will not compile much better
[03:47] <Tm_T> moi1392: Nah, you can safely just skip it.
[03:47] <Tm_T> Makefile hack is fine.
[03:47] <moi1392> ok, tanks :)
[03:48] <moi1392> no, here I compile all kdebase above kubuntu kdelibs, juste disable beagle because it wont compile well for me
[03:50] <Tm_T> :)
[03:51] <moi1392> -llazy removed, start rebuild and all looks fine :) tanks:)
[03:51] <moi1392> are hey plan to include kickoff in fiesty ?
[03:57] <seele> Riddell: ping
[04:01] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[04:01] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[04:02] <allee> Tm_T: is BT pairing now working for you?
[04:02] <jsgotangco> is that like a script or something where you greet every channel with a different greeting
[04:03] <jsgotangco> bddebian: ^^
[04:03] <bddebian> Heya Jucato, jsgotangco
[04:03] <jsgotangco> :D
[04:05] <Tm_T> allee: Nope, auth fails.
[04:06] <allee> Tm_T: good to know.  I need BT pairing before I can move to edgy.
[04:07] <allee> Tm_T: is this KDE or gnome specific or happens with edgy in general?
[04:07] <allee> Tm_T: if it's KDE specific I'm try to reimplement my old automatic pairing stuff
[04:45] <Riddell> hi seele 
[04:51] <fdoving> Riddell: is it possible to use launchpad to handle packages (debian dirs) with bzr? 
[04:51] <fdoving> without the upstream source.
[04:52] <fdoving> like svn.debian.org
[04:54] <Riddell> fdoving: it's entirely encuraged
[04:54] <Riddell> encouraged
[04:54] <Riddell> see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/BzrMaintainedPackages
[04:54] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/BzrMaintainerHowto
[04:55] <fdoving> ah thanks!
[04:56] <fdoving> what team should let's say, kio-apt be under? kubuntu-team or kubuntu-members? 
[05:00] <Tm_T> allee: Seems to be bluez bug.
[05:00] <Tm_T> allee: I'm now starting to test one thing that should workaround that.
[05:00] <allee> Tm_T: thx
[05:01] <seele> weird, the channel didnt highlight when my name was said
[05:01] <seele> Riddell: i talked to el about the .hidden setting in / and she agrees with me
[05:01] <Tm_T> seele: Hilight!
[05:01] <Tm_T> ;)
[05:02] <seele> Riddell: she was a bit confused how it even came to be.. she noticed it and thought there was something wrong with her partition
[05:02] <seele> Tm_T: hehe
[05:02] <seele> Riddell: also.. she has some comments about system settings too.  i dunno when you want to talk about that..
[05:04] <allee> Riddell: I hopefully have now enough holes in our campus firefall for voip.  You know about kubuntu meetings today with voip access?
[05:19] <Tm_T> allee: Bah, I can't even find documentation of configuration options in hcid.conf
[05:20] <Tm_T> Hmm, let's see if manpage has any uptodate info.
[05:41] <Riddell> seele: happy to talk now or anytime
[05:50] <Kuhrscher> Hi, is one of the devs of Guidance in here?
[05:50] <Riddell> Kuhrscher: _Sime and sebas_ 
[05:50] <Riddell> and for power manager me and lure
[05:51] <Kuhrscher> Thank you.
[05:51] <Kuhrscher> _Sime: Do you have one minute?
[05:52] <Tm_T> I think _ in beginning og his nick is indicating his not there atm, or so I think.
[05:52] <Tm_T> Or maybe I'm not thinking at all. ->
[05:56] <Kuhrscher> Hmm, you could be right ;-)
[06:17] <Kuhrscher> Riddell: I saw that you created a *pot file of Guidance manually
[06:18] <Riddell> Kuhrscher: yes, probably not very sensibly
[06:18] <Riddell> I think I used gettext
[06:18] <Riddell> sime has some documentation on how to do it on the pykdeextensions website docs which might be better to follow
[06:18] <Kuhrscher> Is scripty generally anuble to handle guidance?
[06:19] <Kuhrscher> unable
[06:21] <Riddell> Kuhrscher: seems to be the case
[06:21] <Riddell> Kuhrscher: if you look at the Makefile.am I put in a rule for scripty but it got taken out by the scripty dude
[06:21] <Riddell> or renamed so scripty can't find it
[06:22] <Kuhrscher> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/guidance/Makefile.am?rev=543747&view=markup
[06:22] <Kuhrscher> This one?
[06:23] <Riddell> yes
[06:24] <Kuhrscher> A guy of our team told me that perhaps the follow line is just wrong...
[06:24] <Kuhrscher> -xgettext -ki18n -LPython $$LIST -o po/guidance.pot;
[06:24] <Kuhrscher> +xgettext -ki18n -LPython $LIST -o po/guidance.pot;
[06:28] <Riddell> Kuhrscher: which team is that?
[06:29] <Kuhrscher> german translation team (kde upstream)
[06:32] <seele> Riddell: ping
[06:32] <seele> oh, you got back to me
[06:33] <Riddell> seele: pong
[06:33] <Riddell> Kuhrscher: we could also ask for scripty to include the native pykder method http://www.simonzone.com/software/pykdeextensions/en/i18n.html
[06:36] <serzholino> i've just upgraded to edgy :) looks amazing, thank you, guys!!!
[06:37] <Kuhrscher> Riddell: That would be a solution. Who could do this?
[06:38] <Riddell> Kuhrscher: I don't know if scripty is maintained, but it would need pykdeextensions being installed on whichever machine scripty is run on
[06:38] <Riddell> Kuhrscher: asking on kde-doc-i18n list would be best
[06:39] <Riddell> or whatever that mailing list is called
[06:39] <Kuhrscher> kde-i18n-doc
[06:39] <Riddell> but getting non-c++ support in scripty is something that will have to happen at some point
[06:40] <Riddell> seele: meet _Sime 
[06:41] <Kuhrscher> Riddell: That's true...
[06:42] <seele> _Sime: ping :)
[06:45] <Kuhrscher> Riddell: Probably it would be the best if _Sime asks for this?
[06:46] <Riddell> Lure: tell kwwii to wheesht
[06:46] <Riddell> he's louder than the speaker out here
[06:47] <\sh> moin
[06:47] <\sh> hows the conf?
[06:49] <Riddell> \sh: busy busy busy!
[06:49] <\sh> oh...just the same as here :)
[06:58] <\sh> Riddell: greetings to kwwii and ogra, dholbach, mvogt etc.
[07:09] <serzholino> in edgy volume up/down and mute on my multimedia keyboard are recognized, onscreen messages are displayed, but actually no volume changes performs
[07:10] <marseillai> serzholino: take a look on kmix if moving master volume change anything
[07:10] <marseillai> if not it's because your volume is not on this channel i've the same problem mine is on pcm channel and i don't know how to change it
[07:11] <serzholino> no :(
[07:11] <marseillai> so you have the same problem than me
[07:12] <serzholino> ok, can i at least disable it at all
[07:13] <serzholino> seems like it grabs key pesses before any other app, so i cannot configure this buttons on application level
[07:24] <Lure> imbrandon: konversatrion tabs comments: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2006/10/winter-comes-in-earnest.html
[07:33] <serzholino> no one knows how to disable global mutimedia keys recognition?
[07:36] <jdong> serzholino: you need to remove kmilo
[07:37] <jdong> I don't remember off the top of my head how to go about it
[07:37] <marseillai> jdong: and if we want to modify action of bouton? is it possible?
[07:37] <jdong> marseillai: you have to go to the source code of kmilo
[07:37] <marseillai> beurk
[07:37] <jdong> it's all hardcoded stuff that calls kmix via dcop
[07:38] <jdong> and kmix adamantly only changes what it percieves as the master channel
[07:38] <jdong> in the case of my laptop (and apparently yours too), kmix is wrong
[07:38] <jdong> and setting a new master in kmix doesn't change how it responds to dcop calls
[07:38] <jdong> I have a bug filed about it
[07:38] <jdong> bug 58790
[07:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58790 in kdemultimedia "kmix: dcop calls to adjust volume should affect user-set master channel" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58790
[07:44] <nixternal> whats the difference between Kubuntu Members and Kubuntu Team?  are they not both teams of contributors, or is there an extra hierarchy?
[07:44] <nixternal> just clicked a link from wikipedia for "community contributors"
[07:45] <Riddell> nixternal: kubuntu-team is old, we should get rid of it
[07:45] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:45] <serzholino> yes, after removing kmilo kdetv is able to react to vol up/down/mute
[07:45] <Riddell> kubuntu-members means you're an official ubuntu member
[07:45] <serzholino> of cource atfer configuring this in it
[07:45] <nixternal> man, there are a lot of wiki contribs for kubuntu
[07:45] <Riddell> nixternal: tidy tidy!
[07:46] <nixternal> im the only one on that list that i have heard of
[07:46] <nixternal> haha
[07:46] <nixternal> oh, Burgundavia had to put his "Ubuntu, not Ubuntu Linux" speal
[07:46] <nixternal> don't we go by "Kubuntu GNU/LInux"?
[07:47] <jdong> do we?
[07:47] <jdong> I though twe were kubuntu
[07:47] <nixternal> according to About and everything it does
[07:47] <jdong> lol
[07:47] <nixternal> it used to be on the front page of k.org
[07:48] <nixternal> "Kubuntu is the GNU/Linux distribution for everyone"
[07:48] <nixternal> it hasn't changed
[07:48] <Riddell> Tonio__: when you say "Hide the unusable sharing systems (nfs isn't installed by default)" what does that mean?
[07:49] <Riddell> nixternal: which list?
[07:49] <Tonio__> Riddell: that we should see the nfs box if nfs isn't installed/active
[07:49] <nixternal> list?
[07:49] <Riddell> nixternal: KGX or GNU/Linux, but usually just Kubuntu
[07:49] <Riddell> Tonio__: so hide the NFS box
[07:51] <Tonio__> Riddell: hum okay I'm changing the text
[07:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: no!
[07:51] <Riddell> I'm editing
[07:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[07:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'm done, no content changed but turned lists into paragraphs and proofread the grammer
[08:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[08:39] <Lure> Riddell: what is the state of getting bug 67889 in edgy-updates (or at least -proposed)? people are pushing for this fix...
[08:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67889 in kdebase "(edgy) SRU: KDE crashes when logout is canceled" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67889
[08:40] <Riddell> Lure: it needs you to keep poking me until I upload it
[08:40] <Riddell> Lure: today I promise!
[08:41] <Lure> Riddell: ok, thanks 
[09:30] <allee> ajmitch or tonio_: would be nice if one of you could organize for ldap or samba bof a device for voip.  don't know how they get distributed, but list only contains the morning bofs yet.
[09:35] <allee> Hi Tonio_ 
[09:35] <allee> [21:30]  <allee> ajmitch or tonio_: would be nice if one of you could organize for ldap or samba bof a device for voip.  don't know how they get distributed, but list only contains the morning bofs yet.
[09:56] <Lure> allee: I think they always just publish voip table for half a day, so there will e probably an updated in next hour (during lunch time)
[09:56] <Lure> allee: and all bof sessions have voip afaik
[09:58] <allee> Lure: hmm, okay.  Maybe then not all sessions are listed
[09:59] <allee> Lure: okay I'll call 5001 == room 2002 for k feisty laptop later independently if it's listed
[09:59] <allee> THX
[10:01] <allee> Lure: are you all using gobby?  I've not found  config data for gobby session yet
[10:01] <Lure> allee: I do not think so (at least I do not recall anybody from kubuntu guys did it)
[10:02] <Lure> allee: we use irc for remote feedback
[10:02] <Lure> allee: so it is more like one way and only voice in other direction
[10:03] <allee> okay.
[11:10] <alleeHol> Lure: ldap bof: first lots of echo then silence.  Did you switch voip off
[11:11] <alleeHol> +?
[11:11] <Lure> alleeHol: I am not there - ping in #udsmtv
[11:11] <alleeHol> oh, sorry s/Lure/ ajmitch
[11:11] <alleeHol> k thx
[11:11] <Lure> alleeHol: I am on X config session
[11:11] <alleeHol> Lure there it was much better have fun 
[12:08] <allee> Lure: feisty laptop bof voip appears to be dead :(