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| Hobbsee | morning mpt | 12:09 |
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| mpt | cjwatson, ping | 12:17 |
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| mpt | er, retract contentless ping | 12:18 |
| mpt | cjwatson, if the text of Ubiquity's navigation buttons will be "move[d] ... into Ubiquity's own translation infrastructure", does that mean "Forward" can be renamed to "Next"? | 12:19 |
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| mpt | afternoon Hobbsee | 12:38 |
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| neuralis | lifeless: i'm around now, can chat | 12:50 |
| lifeless | I'm free next session | 12:53 |
| lifeless | (in 10 minutes) | 12:53 |
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| uenyioha | hey guys | 12:57 |
| uenyioha | what pakages provides the linux header files | 12:57 |
| uenyioha | ? | 12:57 |
| popey | linux-headers | 12:57 |
| popey | surprisingly enough | 12:57 |
| uenyioha | i can't seem to be able to compile anything in edgy | 12:57 |
| uenyioha | does linux-headers also provide the socket programming headers? | 12:58 |
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| uenyioha | i recall there's a package that one should install before attemping any c coding in breezy but i've forgotten the name | 12:59 |
| uenyioha | hoary too | 12:59 |
| Hobbsee | build-essential | 12:59 |
| uenyioha | right on... | 01:00 |
| uenyioha | thanks! | 01:00 |
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| tfheen | ajmitch: you're aware that the kerberize-* specs won't be scheduled until they have a priority? | 01:24 |
| ajmitch | I thought they had been set to low priority | 01:26 |
| ajmitch | should they be low or medium? | 01:27 |
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| tfheen | it's discussion, not implementation priority | 01:30 |
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| jc-denton | hi all | 10:07 |
| jc-denton | ok i know that this is not reall a question for here | 10:07 |
| jc-denton | but in #ubuntu nobody ha an idea | 10:07 |
| jc-denton | how can i compile this example on edgy: http://tldp.org/LDP/lkmpg/2.6/html/x121.html ? | 10:08 |
| jc-denton | i also want to use the kernel shipped with edgy and not a custom kernel | 10:08 |
| lucas | by clicking "Next" at the bottom of the page | 10:13 |
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| danielinu | Hi, I have a problem installing ubuntu Edgy Eft on a Dell PowerEdge because when I'm at the first reboot during the installation after the "Please stand by while rebooting the system." the computer doesn't do nothing. | 10:47 |
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| abattoir | danielinu: this is a development channel, please try #ubuntu for support | 10:49 |
| danielinu | abattoir: ok, excuse me but now answer from #ubuntu :( | 10:50 |
| abattoir | danielinu: be patient, someone who knows might answer :) | 10:50 |
| danielinu | thanks | 10:51 |
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| sivang | hmm , font's breakup after my last upgrade... | 11:20 |
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| Fujitsu | sivang: Same. | 11:21 |
| sivang | Fujitsu: I guess some naming / font list have changed or were merged from debian without local patches of ours. | 11:22 |
| Fujitsu | You're getting some silly ultra-ugly serif font replacing everything? | 11:22 |
| sivang | Fujitsu: indeed, at least suspend to ram is back ;) | 11:22 |
| sivang | (was broken since yesterday's noon upgrade) | 11:22 |
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| Fujitsu | I upgraded earlier today, broke upon reboot. | 11:23 |
| sivang | Fujitsu: you mean you couldn't boot? | 11:23 |
| Fujitsu | No, the fonts broke on reboot. | 11:23 |
| sivang | Fujitsu: ah, I just suspended to ram and when I came back the fonts were "broken" | 11:25 |
| TheMuso | Am I right in guessing from LP that feistyis now open? | 11:25 |
| Fujitsu | TheMuso: Has been for some days. | 11:25 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 11:25 |
| Fujitsu | Got a new something-or-other to upload? | 11:26 |
| TheMuso | Not yet. | 11:26 |
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| TheMuso | I guess I'd better set up a feisty chroot. | 11:33 |
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| visik7 | is possible to have a non stripped vmlinux of the ubuntu kernel ? | 11:43 |
| visik7 | the one of about 34Mb | 11:45 |
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| sivang | hmm, dbus also seems broken to some extent | 01:11 |
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| Fujitsu | How does that exhibit itself? | 01:12 |
| Fujitsu | Aha: | 01:12 |
| Fujitsu | dbus_bindings.DBusException: Could not get owner of name 'org.freedesktop.Hal': no such name | 01:12 |
| Fujitsu | (starting hal-device-manager) | 01:13 |
| Fujitsu | So, HAL seems to have ceased to exist. Fun. | 01:13 |
| sivang | or any other hal/dbus using program | 01:13 |
| sivang | Fujitsu: :) | 01:13 |
| sivang | let's see if we can fix it | 01:13 |
| sivang | and maybe later try to fix up the fonts problem :) | 01:13 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 04:01 |
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| Mirv | should a sync request be done also for packages that are in debian, but not yet in ubuntu? | 04:45 |
| Mirv | martin pitt's script does seem to work only for packages already existing in ubuntu, or perhaps I'm just using it in a wrong way | 04:46 |
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| Riot777 | Hello I got development-like question about Ubuntu | 05:19 |
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| Riot777 | is /opt directory made by default after new Ubuntu (not Kubuntu, Xubuntu etc.) install | 05:20 |
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| _ion | It's a LFS directory, so i guess it should be there. | 05:21 |
| Riot777 | I'm not sure about that if it's made in the installation process of ubuntu can I check it somehow ? | 05:28 |
| Riot777 | any recommendations | 05:28 |
| Riot777 | what scripts should I see etc. | 05:28 |
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| Riddell | Riot777: yes it's made by default | 05:41 |
| Riot777 | ok, thank you | 05:41 |
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| pitti | sfllaw: can you please cross-check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugReportingTool ? | 06:42 |
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| sivang | hmm yummy bug reporting tool | 06:46 |
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| thiagocmartinsc | Hi ! | 08:19 |
| thiagocmartinsc | I finish rematering Ubuntu Server Edgy following this doc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization | 08:20 |
| thiagocmartinsc | but I miss one thing... | 08:20 |
| thiagocmartinsc | anyone knows what is ExtraOverride ? | 08:21 |
| thiagocmartinsc | I see in: apt-ftparchive-deb.conf the line: ExtraOverride "path/to/indices/override.dapper.extra.main"; | 08:21 |
| thiagocmartinsc | but.. I don't run extraoverride.pl < /media/cdrom0/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/Packages > path/to/indices/override.dapper.extra.main | 08:22 |
| thiagocmartinsc | this is a problem ?! | 08:22 |
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| thiagocmartinsc | ?? | 08:42 |
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| psusi | why on earth does the coreutils source package contain the original .tar.bz2 instead of the extracted source? | 08:50 |
| _ion | What's the problem with that? | 08:51 |
| psusi | source packages should contain source code? | 08:51 |
| psusi | you shouldn't have to extract the package, and then extract the source from the tarball in the package | 08:52 |
| Mithrandir | psusi: tarball in tarball is fine. | 08:52 |
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| psusi | Mithrandir: fine in what way? | 08:53 |
| psusi | when you extract a source package, don't you expect to have source code? | 08:53 |
| Mithrandir | psusi: fine in the way that there's nothing wrong with it? | 08:53 |
| psusi | it seems odd to have to go through a second extraction... never seen a source package like that before | 08:54 |
| psusi | and I'm prety sure this package didn't used to do this because I've worked on it before | 08:54 |
| psusi | what does it gain? why make things more complex? | 08:55 |
| thiagocmartinsc | _ion, take a look at the of freetype... there is 3 tarballs inside it.. :-D | 08:55 |
| Mithrandir | hello-dbs does it, apache1 does it, iirc, random other packages do. | 08:55 |
| Mithrandir | psusi: make clean is trivially simple. | 08:55 |
| psusi | what does make clean have to do with it? | 08:55 |
| _ion | .orig.tar.bz2 isn't allowed IIRC. Am i wrong? | 08:55 |
| Mithrandir | psusi: debian/rules clean should work. | 08:55 |
| psusi | should work for what? | 08:56 |
| Mithrandir | psusi: it should return the package to a pristine condition. Tarball in tarball makes that easy. | 08:56 |
| psusi | I'm not trying to clean anything, just look at the source.. .and when I extracted the source package, I got a tarball inside to again extract | 08:56 |
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| psusi | hrm.... | 08:56 |
| psusi | how so? | 08:56 |
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| psusi | how is a clean rule that cleans up first, and then tars up easier? | 08:57 |
| Mithrandir | the clean target can just be rm -rf build instead of unpatch-handle-failure-cases-make-distclean. | 08:57 |
| Mithrandir | uh, tars up? | 08:57 |
| psusi | make clean isn't supposed to discard any changes you have made | 08:57 |
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| thiagocmartinsc | anyone knows if this doc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization works with Ubunru server Edgy ? | 09:01 |
| thiagocmartinsc | i trying to rematerizing the server iso with my extra *.debs files on it... but after boot my CD.. there is lot of md5 errors... | 09:02 |
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| thiagocmartinsc | computer?! hello computer?! | 09:06 |
| thiagocmartinsc | :-P | 09:06 |
| psusi | hrm... | 09:07 |
| psusi | looks lie coreutils is not built with 64bit file size support | 09:07 |
| psusi | thiagocmartinsc: you need to update the md5sums.txt list like the wiki page says | 09:08 |
| thiagocmartinsc | but as wiki says: To build the repository, sign it, and update the MD5SUM file, you can use a script like this: | 09:10 |
| thiagocmartinsc | I'm use this script .. and it doesn't return any error. | 09:10 |
| thiagocmartinsc | all goes fine.. | 09:10 |
| thiagocmartinsc | well.. I will revise all from the beginning ... but.. I think I need some help here... | 09:12 |
| thiagocmartinsc | thanks psusi | 09:12 |
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| mc44 | It seems there are a fair few specs that will not get discussed before the end of this conference; Could specs that don't get a chance for discussion at the conference still be approved, or are only specs that are approved at UDS going to be targeted for feisty? | 09:14 |
| thiagocmartinsc | psusi, maybe the variable "BUILD=/opt/firewall-image-dapper" must be "BUILD=/opt/cd-image/".. | 09:15 |
| Burgwork | mc44: any spec that gets approved can be worked on, but most specs require some sort of discussion | 09:15 |
| thiagocmartinsc | because at this time /opt/firewall-image-dapper doesn't exists... | 09:15 |
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| pygi | hey dholbach ogra :) | 09:17 |
| dholbach | heya pygi | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | well, any spec can be worked on | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | some are just "official" goals | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | at least that's how I think of it | 09:19 |
| ogra | nope | 09:19 |
| ogra | "Please check the status of this specification in Launchpad before editing it. If it is Approved, contact the Assignee or another knowledgeable person before making changes." | 09:19 |
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| ogra | thats the header every spec should have | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | well sure | 09:19 |
| mc44 | ogra: he was talking about implementation I think | 09:20 |
| ogra | oh, right | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | but if somebody wants to write a spec and do it, they don't *have* to have it approved before working on it do they? | 09:20 |
| ogra | implementation is sorted in one of the first distro team meetings after the conference | 09:20 |
| mc44 | I just wanted to know if a spec doesnt get scheduled for discussion by tommorrow whether there was any possibility it would be | 09:20 |
| mc44 | accepted | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | I'm guessing not | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | but I don't think that should stop people from working on things | 09:21 |
| ogra | nah, it shouldnt | 09:21 |
| ogra | it will just not be "official" | 09:21 |
| mc44 | sure, I was just hoping someone more qualified would work on it @:) | 09:21 |
| LaserJock | ah, well then that's an issue | 09:21 |
| Burgwork | I suggest you talk about any spec before you start into it | 09:21 |
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| psusi | that's nice.... extracting the coreutils source package and attempting to immediately debuild -S it back fails | 09:28 |
| fabbione | have you considered installing the build-deps first? | 09:29 |
| psusi | you aren't supposed to need build-deps just to package the source | 09:31 |
| psusi | right? | 09:32 |
| LaserJock | right | 09:32 |
| LaserJock | did you install dbs? | 09:32 |
| mjg59 | Erm. | 09:32 |
| psusi | ding.. search on the missing file just came up with dbs, yea, looks like it needs that ;) | 09:32 |
| psusi | the clean rule fails | 09:32 |
| psusi | looking for a dbs file | 09:32 |
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| mjg59 | "The Build-Depends and Build-Conflicts fields must be satisfied when any of the following targets is invoked: build, clean, binary, binary-arch, build-arch, build-indep and binary-indep." | 09:33 |
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| LaserJock | apt-get install dbs | 09:33 |
| psusi | my.... is there a way to surpress the cleaning with debuild -S? | 09:33 |
| mjg59 | -nc | 09:33 |
| keescook | LaserJock: is that right? for doing debuild -S for things like l-r-m I needed things from the build-deps... | 09:33 |
| LaserJock | keescook: it depends | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | you need stuff for the clean rule | 09:34 |
| Zdra | hi, I'm managing public computer at university running ubuntu dapper. We have a problem: users lock their screen or click on "switch user" which lock the screen too. I'm currently working on a patch to remove all possibilities in the gnome-session gui to let the user only logout/reboot/halt the computer (no more hibernate, etc). I think this kind of work is needed by every one managing public computers, can this kind of think be | 09:34 |
| Zdra | optional and integrated into ubuntu ? | 09:34 |
| mjg59 | It's acceptable for a package to require the build-deps in order for the clean target to work | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | so the usual things are dpatch, cdbs, etc. | 09:34 |
| keescook | LaserJock: yeah... and there isn't a distinction made. :( | 09:34 |
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| LaserJock | keescook: yeah, but the usual suspects are the build helpers so I generally have them around anyway | 09:35 |
| psusi | shouldn't things that the makefile itself requires be pre-depends? | 09:36 |
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| mjg59 | No | 09:36 |
| mjg59 | That's not what pre-depends means | 09:36 |
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| psusi | hopefully this enables 64bit file support... | 09:36 |
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| psusi | holy crap | 09:41 |
| psusi | I crashed gcc | 09:41 |
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| psusi | can someone set #ubuntu to only allow registered users? got some flooders | 09:45 |
| Burgwork | psusi: -ops | 09:45 |
| psusi | ahh | 09:46 |
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| Zdra | hi, I want to work on a package's patch, but to apply the patch I have to apply previous patches, how can I do it ? and once I modified what I want, how to generate the new patch ? | 10:14 |
| _ion | What patch system does the package use? | 10:15 |
| Zdra | I don't know ... I'm not very familiar to package systems | 10:16 |
| cjwatson | sadly this is all hopelessly non-standard | 10:16 |
| Zdra | it's gnome-session | 10:16 |
| cjwatson | you have to figure it out from debian/control and debian/rules | 10:16 |
| _ion | See the package's build dependencies in debian/control. Is there anything with "patch" in it, or perhaps quilt? | 10:16 |
| cjwatson | figure out which patch system is in use, that is - and then 'dpkg -L whatever-the-patch-system-package-is' to look for tools | 10:16 |
| cjwatson | if it's gnome, it's probably cdbs, in which case cdbs-edit-patch will help you | 10:17 |
| cjwatson | yes, it's cdbs | 10:17 |
| Zdra | yeah seems to be cdbs | 10:17 |
| Zdra | I'll try that, thanks :) | 10:17 |
| _ion | (If it's cdbs + quilt, you might want to use quilt directly instead of cdbs-edit-patch) | 10:19 |
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| Zdra | _ion: cdbs-edit-patch worked just perfect :) | 10:24 |
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| raffael | hi. there is very annoing bug in edgy - libgnomevfs2 package, preventing from using samba shares in totem and rhytmbox. it's been already fixed and commited into gnome cvs. i just recompiled it and it works fine. i guess it's worth updating ubuntu package soon since people are still complaining on it. who is responsible for backporting patches? | 10:34 |
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| fabbione | raffael: you need to file a bug in launchpad and the right people will be notified | 10:35 |
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| raffael | i see it's already fixed in next package release, but targetted for feisty and marked as low urgency | 10:46 |
| raffael | still not backported for edgy | 10:46 |
| raffael | what a pity cause it really harms ubuntu image, my friends are dissapointed after upgrade to edgy | 10:46 |
| LaserJock | it generally needs to be in feisty before it gets backported | 10:47 |
| raffael | package was created 2 days ago so hopefully you are right | 10:50 |
| raffael | i'll leave it as is | 10:50 |
| raffael | thank you for information | 10:50 |
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