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tomveenshello12:42
tomveensI want to make a package of cinelerra, is there someone who can instruct me?12:43
kikodoesn't one exist?12:44
tomveensnot for ubuntu amd6412:44
LaserJocktomveens: have you read the ubuntu packaging guide?12:45
tomveensyes, and took a lesson a few months ago, but I am really a noob12:45
tomveenssorry12:45
LaserJockwell12:46
LaserJockthen it's probably better to start working on it and then if you have a problem then ask here12:46
LaserJockit's much easier to deal with specific issues12:46
tomveensyes, I know what you mean12:47
tomveensfirst step is making an ubuntu packaging environment isn't it?12:48
LaserJockis  there a cinelerra package in Ubuntu at all?12:48
LaserJockor Debian12:48
tomveensthere are 32 bit packages12:49
tomveenshttp://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/README12:49
tomveensand this is old12:49
LaserJockwell, I was meaning in the offical repos12:50
LaserJockI don't think there are12:50
tomveensnot in mine (me is amd64)12:50
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Adri2000MOTU/Packages/Candidates says that someone is working on it12:53
LaserJockyikes, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=33107212:54
UbugtuDebian bug 331072 in wnpp "ITP: cinelerra-cvs -- non-linear video editor and compositor for Linux." [Wishlist,Open] 12:54
tomveensif that is someone from I believe brazil then he is working on it for a long long time12:54
LaserJockis there licensing issues?12:54
tomveensnot that I know of12:54
tomveensI tryed to contact him months ago to figure out what the problems where, but did not get answer12:55
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LaserJocktomveens: Riccardo Setti?12:55
tomveenshave to look trought my mail for that, sec!12:56
LaserJockoh, Rodrigo Belem is the person on the Candidates page12:57
kikorbelem12:57
LaserJockthat was some time ago (maybe close to a year)12:57
tomveensRodrigo Belem12:57
tomveenswas the name12:57
tomveenshave the mail in front of me12:57
LaserJockRiccardo Setti is the person who files the Debian ITP12:58
tomveensaha12:58
LaserJockand he was just here, giskard is the nick12:58
tomveensRiccardo Setti or Rodrigo Belem?12:58
LaserJockRiccardo12:59
LaserJockI haven't seen rbelem here in quite some time12:59
tomveenshe did the cinelerra debian packages?12:59
LaserJockhe filed an "intent to package" (ITP)12:59
tomveensokay12:59
LaserJockbut it looks like  there were issues (the bug link I gave above)01:00
LaserJockthe ITP is a year old01:00
tomveensRodrigo Belem give a response I see here, and that is that he was out of a job for some time and that is why het packaged01:00
tomveensmaybe he has a job now?01:00
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tomveensbut there are licence issues to get cinellera packaged in ubuntu?01:02
LaserJockI don't know01:02
LaserJockI just wondered01:02
FujitsuIt has to go in multiverse, I know that.01:03
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LaserJockthat's often the case01:03
LaserJockyeah01:03
LaserJockmaybe that was the licensing issue01:03
LaserJockanyway, I'd ask Jure Cuhalev (gandalf or whatever) if he has a source package available01:04
LaserJockI don't see one on http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/01:04
tomveenshttp://www.mail-archive.com/cinelerra@skolelinux.no/msg03119.html01:04
tomveenshere Herman Robak says he wants to do it01:05
LaserJockwhy the heck haven't they approached us?01:06
tomveens???01:07
LaserJockthey have a big thread on finding a maintainer for Ubuntu packages01:07
FujitsuBut they didn't ask us!?01:07
LaserJockno01:07
LaserJocknot that I know of01:07
TheMusoIs this to do with the forums again? :)01:07
LaserJockno01:07
LaserJockcinelerra01:08
tomveenscan I ask you :)01:08
TheMusoAh.01:08
LaserJockask me what? :-)01:08
tomveensmaking an ubuntu amd64 cinelerra package, please? :)01:09
LaserJockno :-)01:09
tomveensbugger :(01:10
LaserJockbut having people around to help should be bad01:10
fernandoi can to try to packaging the cinerella?01:10
tomveensthat would be great!01:10
LaserJockI'd as the cinelerra if you could get their source package and then make sure it's ok and put it on REVU01:11
LaserJocks/as/ask/01:11
tomveensuse cinelerra cv and not the heroinewarrior version01:12
joejaxxLaserJock:01:12
tomveensfrom http://cvs.cinelerra.org/01:12
joejaxxhow can i execute a chroot command from the outside?01:12
joejaxxLaserJock: sudo chroot blah echo "blah" > randomfile01:13
joejaxxcomes up with access denied01:13
fbondjoejaxx, you can't use the shell redirection01:13
LaserJockpbuilder or dchroot or chroot?01:13
joejaxxman that stinks :\01:14
fbondyour shell only has non-root access rights01:14
joejaxxLaserJock: chroot01:14
fbonddo this:01:14
fbondsudo chroot sh -c 'echo "blah" > randomfile'01:14
fbond(I think)01:14
joejaxxahh yes01:14
joejaxxi forgot about the -c flag01:14
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joejaxxfbond: so that command will be executed as if i was logged into the chroot right?01:17
fbondum .. should01:17
joejaxxok01:17
joejaxxsudo chroot $LIVEFS sh -c 'echo "deb-src $REPOSURL $RLBASE $REPOSECTION" >> /etc/apt/sources.list'01:17
joejaxxright now i have that01:17
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fbondexcept your variables won't get substituted01:18
fbondinside single quotes01:18
joejaxx:(01:18
fbonddo this:01:18
fbondsudo chroot $LIVEFS sh -c 'echo "deb-src '"$REPOSURL"' '"$RLBASE"' '"$REPOSECTION"'" >> /etc/apt/sources.list'01:20
fbondbut that is starting to feel silly :)01:20
joejaxxok01:20
joejaxxfbond: what do you mean?01:20
fbondall those quotes ! :)01:20
joejaxxoh lol01:20
fbondit may be better to just inver the quotes:01:21
joejaxx\"01:21
joejaxx?01:21
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fbondsudo chroot $LIVEFS sh -c "echo 'deb-src $REPOSURL $RLBASE $REPOSECTION' >> /etc/apt/sources.list"01:21
fbondI _think_ that might work01:21
joejaxxoh ok01:22
fbondI may be taking this too far, sorry ...01:22
joejaxxi will try01:22
joejaxxfbond: both of them worked01:23
joejaxxboth methods01:23
joejaxxfbond: thanks i will use the inverse quote method01:23
fbondgreat, you're welcome01:24
joejaxx:)01:24
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joejaxxLaserJock: welcome back01:24
LaserJockthanks ;-)01:25
joejaxx:)01:25
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jdong!seen mez01:47
ubotuI last saw Mez (n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez) 5h 23m 11s ago, quiting: Remote closed the connection01:47
jdongthank you, ubotu01:48
jdongubotu: I'm lonely. You want to hear a knock-knock joke?01:48
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jdongubotu: knock knock.01:48
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jdongyou're no fun01:48
FujitsuSpeaking of Mez... Why did I see a changelog entry from him mentioning a backport using prevu?01:48
FujitsuIn feisty-changes?01:48
jdongFujitsu: he ran prevu on his source dir and didn't know that prevu used to dch -i?01:49
jdongFujitsu: bug 7093001:49
UbugtuMalone bug 70930 in prevu "Prevu'ing a package should revert changelog after" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7093001:49
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pianoboy3333How do you get checkinstall to use a setup.py?02:32
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LaserJockpianoboy3333: you don't use checkinstall02:33
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pianoboy3333LaserJock: ok... I'll build a real deb... :(02:33
pianoboy3333How do you get checkinstall to use a setup.py?02:34
pianoboy3333wait... I just asked that... nm, sorry02:34
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zul_checkinstall is fun02:40
Hobbseezul_: checkinstall segfaulting, is, yes02:40
LaserJockmaybe we should write a wrapper for it :-)02:41
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pianoboy3333Anyone want a deb of spe 0.8.3.c?03:00
jdongpianoboy3333: I'll take a dsc.... :)03:07
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Hobbseejdong: perhaps a diff.gz would be more useful03:12
jdongHobbsee: excuuse me for being lazy03:12
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Hobbsee:)03:12
jdongkind of helps if prevu doesn't clean out the built debs as "temporary data" :D03:12
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pianoboy3333jdong: you want one?03:21
jdongpianoboy3333: meh, no hurry03:22
jdongI'm just a light spe user03:22
jdongkind of ironic to use light and spe in the same line though :)03:22
pianoboy3333jdong: http://piano.juicemedia.tv/debs03:23
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jdongugh, and this is SO pdebuild's fault03:35
jdongwith --use-internal-pdebuild, it no longer listens to --buildresult03:36
jdongand nothing in the documentation said that'd happen :D03:36
jdongpianoboy3333: would you happen to know why fonts in the editor aren't antialiased?03:40
jdongand if there's a setting for that, someone should be shot03:40
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gnomefreakif im not a dev for a package does that mean i cant add files to it (debian/rules) if thats all thats standing in way of package and universe/multiverse?04:00
LaserJockhmm?04:02
LaserJockI mean, we can do whatever we need to04:03
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gnomefreakim just worried the tar doesnt have the files i need to build it and i really think it should be in repos (frostwire) since i get asked about it a few times a day04:19
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sid_hi, I have a package which I wish to be added in the ubuntu repos04:25
sid_http://mrbayes.csit.fsu.edu/ its here04:26
sid_it will be used by many biologists04:26
LaserJockcool04:26
sid_its GPLed04:27
tritiumThree cheers for Bayesian inference!04:27
LaserJockhi tritium04:28
LaserJocksid_: well, I'm sure the MOTU Science team would be interested in that04:28
tritiumhi LaserJock04:28
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LaserJockheh04:29
LaserJocktritium: you should package it ;-)04:31
tritiumLaserJock: maybe I can.04:31
sid_thanks :) I don't know much about packaging04:37
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=== Mez -> bed
fernandowhat's a unstripped-binary-or-object ?06:53
LaserJockhmm, I suppose a binary that hasn't been stripped of debugging symbols06:58
fernandoLaserJock: how to fix this?06:59
LaserJocknot sure06:59
LaserJockhaven't run across that one before06:59
fernandowell, the package work =(07:00
fernandouploaded mrbayes-3.1.2 to revu07:04
joejaxxLaserJock: do you know why: E: Couldn't find package linux-dri-modules-2.6.15-27-38607:06
joejaxxwhy there is not a dri module package for 15-27?07:06
LaserJockI don't07:07
joejaxxanyone else know?07:09
fernandoto re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring, which grants you upload rights to REVU ?07:09
joejaxxi am probably going to have to downgrade to 15-2607:10
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siretartfernando: done08:34
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imbrandon...09:39
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imbrandonlastlog imbrandon09:39
imbrandongah09:39
Burgundaviaimbrandon: need a slash there09:39
imbrandonyup lol09:39
imbrandonBurgundavia: hows it going09:40
Burgundavianot bad09:40
Burgundaviawish I was in MTV09:40
imbrandonyea , that would be nice if you were09:41
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Burgundaviayou are not the only person who has claimed to "miss me". I am in doubt still :)09:41
imbrandonnah, it really would be cool09:41
imbrandonwithout you and jdub its not the same hehe09:42
Burgundavianow with jdub I agree with you09:42
imbrandon:)09:43
lifelessimbrandon: go to sleep man09:43
lifelesssheesh :)09:43
lifelessgnight09:43
imbrandonhaha09:43
imbrandongnight09:43
imbrandongood idea09:43
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imbrandonlifeless: i had to finiah the draft i did today before the fureur got me tomarrow :)09:44
imbrandonfinish*09:44
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herzican someone please take a look at bug 7105411:28
UbugtuMalone bug 71054 in mozilla-thunderbird "Epiphany doesn't open https://" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7105411:28
herzi?11:28
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Fujitsuherzi: That's a dupe of some bug in Epiphany, but this isn't really the right channel.11:32
Adri2000seems that the global sync from debian has started11:33
FujitsuAdri2000: How do you know this?11:34
FujitsuI'm not noticing a flood of mail on feisty-changes...11:35
Adri2000https://launchpad.net/+builds buildds are busy, they are building packages with no ubuntu changes11:35
Adri2000and I have a package waiting for building for some hours now :p11:36
Adri2000Fujitsu: are you sure these packages directly synced from debian should appear on feisty-changes? (I don't know, just a question)11:37
FujitsuActually, that's a good point...11:37
FujitsuNormal syncs do, but I'm not sure about the autosync.11:37
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TheMusoI think I have actually done one already.11:40
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Adri2000http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html < all the "outstanding merges" need a human to do the merge?11:50
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sistpoty_unihi folks11:51
fernandomoin all11:51
FujitsuAdri2000: Correct. I'm going through all of mine now, and most others should in the near future.11:57
TheMusoAdri2000: It is a good idea that you ask someone before you take a merge.11:57
TheMusoFujitsu: Am I correct in guessing that merge policy is still the same as the end of the merge cycle from edgy?11:58
Adri2000Fujitsu: and what do the colors mean?11:58
FujitsuTheMuso: There's been no change, so I presume so.11:58
TheMusoRighto.11:58
FujitsuAdri2000: They are the priorities of the new versions in Debian, red being high priority.11:59
sistpoty_unidid merges start already?11:59
Fujitsusistpoty_uni: Most people haven't started, but some have.11:59
Adri2000TheMuso: ok, ask the last uploader11:59
Adri2000Fujitsu: ok11:59
FujitsuAnd the autosync was turned on about 24 hours ago.11:59
sistpoty_uniFujitsu: ah... so the archives are open now12:00
Fujitsusistpoty_uni: For a few days now12:00
sistpoty_unigreat :)12:00
TheMusoAdri2000: Thats right.12:00
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StevenKHeh12:02
TheMusoStevenK: Hey there.12:02
geserFujitsu: have you time to upload a merge for me? bug 7042212:03
FujitsuHi StevenK.12:03
UbugtuMalone bug 70422 in cddb.bundle "[Feisty] [Merge]  cddb.bundle 0.2-2.2ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7042212:03
Fujitsugeser: Of course, if it's sane :P12:03
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fernandoi have uploaded a package to revu. Do I only have to wait now? =)12:03
=== StevenK ponders filing an SRU bug.
FujitsuHey \sh.12:04
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\shmoins12:04
\shlong time no see12:05
sistpoty_unihey \sh12:05
\shhey sistpoty_uni12:05
=== StevenK wants to file a sync request. :-/
StevenKBut packages.d.o hasn't damn well updated.12:05
Adri2000fernando: yes, just wait for a reviewer to look at your package12:05
fernandoAdri2000: thanks12:06
Adri2000grab-merge.sh nice12:08
gesercould someone please ACK the following Sync Requests? bug 70438, bug 70436, bug 70431, bug 7042712:08
UbugtuMalone bug 70438 in pantomime1.2 "[Sync Request]  Sync pantomime1.2 (1.2.0~pre2.dfsg-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7043812:08
UbugtuMalone bug 70436 in lusernet.app "[Sync Request]  Sync lusernet.app (0.4.2-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7043612:08
UbugtuMalone bug 70431 in gnustep-netclasses "[Sync Request]  Sync gnustep-netclasses  (0.0.20040112.dfsg-0.2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7043112:08
UbugtuMalone bug 70427 in gnustep-dl2 "[Sync Request]  Sync gnustep-dl2 (0.10.1-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7042712:08
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Adri2000geser: all the packages from debian are currently being synced12:09
geserthose packages have ubuntu changes which can be dropped12:09
StevenKIf the packages in Ubuntu are unchanged from Debian they will just be pulled in.12:09
=== StevenK ponders ignoring wlassistant for the night.
Adri2000geser: then it will appear in the merge-o-matic no?12:10
Adri2000if it has ubuntu changes12:10
geseryes12:10
geserthese are some of my packages from the merge list12:11
Adri2000so I think the bug reports are useless12:12
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geserwhy?12:12
Fujitsugeser: Uploading cddb.utils.12:13
Adri2000the one who will do the merge will see that the ubuntu changes can be dropped12:13
geserFujitsu: thanks12:13
Adri2000I'm not sure...12:13
geserI was doing the merge12:13
Adri2000ok, I understand... it's better to do a sync than doing a merge if there are not anymore ubuntu changes12:15
geserbut as I'm not a MOTU I need a MOTU to ACK those syncs before they get to the archive admins12:16
=== StevenK pokes ftp.d.o with a stick
Adri2000geser: ok12:19
StevenKSigh. It's Optarse.12:19
TheMusoStevenK: What a surprise.12:20
StevenKTheMuso: Indeed. :-)12:20
StevenKNo wonder I can only download at 6KB/s12:20
=== StevenK would honestly prefer a 15 in front of the 6, which is what his DSL can usually do.
=== StevenK ponders using the pipe at the office......
TheMusoheh12:22
TheMusoSOunds like someone along the chain needs to provision more bandwidth or something.12:22
TheMusoOr cut the leachers. :p12:23
StevenKNo, it's packet loss on the routers.12:23
StevenKMuahaha, tunneling through to work gives me 120KB/s12:23
TheMusohahaha12:23
StevenKTake that, Optus.12:24
FujitsuWhat's Optus got to do with anything?12:24
StevenKThey're upstream for Exetel.12:24
TheMusoTHats interesting, I *THINK* that Optus are also upstream for Westnet, but am not sure.12:25
StevenKmtr/traceroute might shed some light.12:25
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TheMusoStevenK: YOu are trying to get to f.d.o right?12:26
StevenKI switched to http.us.d.o, but yeah12:27
TheMusoRight.12:27
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FujitsuI uploaded cddb.utils some time ago, still no acception email...12:28
TheMusoStevenK: Looks like it does, but you're probably better than me at deciphering these. Want a look?12:29
StevenKTheMuso: Sure.12:29
FujitsuTheMuso: Singtel == Optus, if that helps.12:29
TheMusoStevenK: Just a sec. I'll get it on some webspace.12:30
TheMusoStevenK: http://www.themuso.id.au/trace.log should do it.12:31
StevenKLooks suspiously like my trace.12:31
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TheMusoRight.12:36
TheMusoHow long does it take you to display the f.d.o root dir contents?12:37
StevenKTheMuso: 4 seconds12:39
TheMusoRight.12:39
TheMusoSame as me.12:39
TheMusopretty much12:39
StevenKI think debian/pool/x might be a better test. :-)12:39
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TheMusoOk... I am able to pull down a 9MB netboot ISo at full speed.12:41
TheMusoHovering around 161-16312:41
StevenKFrom where?12:41
HobbseeTheMuso: nice!12:41
=== StevenK idly notes his torrent is getting 60, so the problem may have buggered off.
TheMusoStevenK: f.d.o/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/images/netboot/12:42
TheMusoHobbsee: Heya!12:42
Hobbseehey TheMuso!12:42
TheMusoHobbsee: Get merging! Universe depends on you!12:42
HobbseeTheMuso: why?12:42
StevenKHeh12:42
FujitsuI need to manually request syncs of new packages from Debian, right?12:43
Hobbseeno12:43
Hobbseenot from sid12:43
TheMusoFujitsu: Did Soyuz eventually respond?12:46
FujitsuTheMuso: It did, after 15-20 minutes.12:46
=== StevenK ponders filing a sync request manually.
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TheMusohahaha12:51
Hobbseehaha12:51
Adri2000I looked at the frozen-bubble merge and the only ubuntu change (fix in the .desktop) has been integrated in debian12:52
FujitsuAdri2000: In which case you should file a sync request.12:53
Fujitsu(after confirming that the Debian package builds properly in a Feisty pbuilder)12:53
Adri2000Fujitsu: a sync request you will confirm? :p12:53
StevenKFujitsu: And installs. *slap*12:53
FujitsuStevenK: True.12:54
FujitsuAdri2000: Maybe :P12:54
Adri2000:)12:54
StevenKI also like to confirm that the thing, you know, actually executes before I file a sync request.12:54
Adri2000I'll try to build and install it12:54
FujitsuStevenK: Of course.12:54
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geserAdri2000: frozen-bubble 2 needs libsdl-pango1 which isn't in ubuntu yet12:58
Adri2000:-/12:59
Adri2000just have to wait the end of the auto syncs01:00
StevenKTheMuso: I'd be interested in seeing how fast you can download from merges.u.c01:06
StevenKSince I'm getting bugger all KB/s01:07
TheMusoStevenK: Give me a file and I'll grab it for testing.01:07
StevenK(And yes, bugger all is a number now)01:07
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TheMusoWell let me know before I start a debootstrap so I can give accurate figures. :)01:07
FujitsuStevenK: I'm on Optus Cable, and I get an absolutely dismal speed.01:08
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StevenKhttp://merges.ubuntu.com/h/hat/hat_2.04.orig.tar.gz01:08
FujitsuSounds good...01:08
FujitsuHovering ~10.5KB/s01:09
TheMusoEasily pulled at a speed of over 100KB/Sec here.01:09
TheMusoAll the way through that.01:09
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StevenKUsing the highly scientific means of ls ; sleep 5 ; ls, I'm getting 3KB over 5 seconds.01:10
TheMusoheh01:10
TheMusoStevenK: Do you want a trace to m.u.c for comparison to yours?01:10
TheMusoLatencies may be different, but at least it would show you the path.01:11
StevenKI think my torrent is monopolizing my link, which doesn't help.01:11
TheMusoRight.01:11
sivanghas any of you guys saw that dbus/hal are broken in latest feisty upgrade?01:12
TheMusoNo.01:12
TheMusoI'm going to stick with chroots for now.01:13
StevenKNeither of my feisty chroots have/need dbus or hal. :-P01:13
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Hobbseedo we have a release schedule yet?01:14
Hobbseewhen does the auto merging finish?01:14
sivangTheMuso: probably a good  idea :)01:14
StevenKHobbsee: Yes, and soonish01:14
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FujitsuOh dear, `Herd 1'01:15
Hobbseebah, that's still ages01:15
StevenKHrm, not soonish01:15
sivangwhat's herd 1 ?01:16
sivangah, the milestone cd name?01:16
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sivang;)01:16
=== Hobbsee can ignore merges for a while then
sivangmornign slomo !01:16
StevenKHeh01:16
sivangslomo: something b0rkked with debus/hal01:16
TheMusoHobbsee: If you've got exams etc, I can understand that.01:16
sivangslomo: dbus_bindings.DBusException: Could not get owner of name 'org.freedesktop.Hal': no such name01:16
HobbseeTheMuso: true.  but still01:16
sivangslomo: hal and dbus are running, for some reason hal is not publishing itself01:16
slomosivang: one moment01:17
sivang(as it appears from the error message)01:17
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slomosivang: works for me... a reboot or something doesn't fix it for you? does avahi for example work for you?01:17
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sivangslomo: what's the name of the GUI client? :)01:20
sivangslomo: the deamon seems to be running01:20
slomosivang: avahi-discover? or what do you mean?01:21
sivangslomo: that one exactly :)01:21
HobbseeTheMuso: darn you.  doing one of the merges01:21
TheMusoHobbsee: hahahaha01:21
Hobbseemalone #5999201:21
UbugtuMalone bug 59992 in cogito "Should depend on curl" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5999201:21
sivangslomo: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30737/01:24
sivangslomo: dbus_bindings.DBusException: The name org.freedesktop.Avahi was not provided by any .service files01:24
sivangslomo: ^^ avahi-discover raises this01:24
sivangslomo: but that might be due to a bad .service file01:25
sivangany usb device also are not automatically mounted anymore.01:25
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slomo_sivang: does it work?01:28
sivangslomo_: what does ?01:29
slomo_sivang: avahi-discover... or something else that uses the system bus01:29
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zakameevening all :D01:32
sivangslomo_: lshal doesn't work even01:32
sivangslomo_: and h-d-m doesn't as well01:32
slomo_sivang: avahi-discover neither? "ps aux | grep dbus" in a pastebin please :)01:33
sivangslomo_: system bus seems to be running, I'd guess the problem is with hal - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30738/01:34
slomo_sivang: ok... talk to pitti then :)01:36
sivangslomo_: right, thanks :)01:36
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slomo_sivang: output of "dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.DBus /org/freedesktop/DBus org.freedesktop.DBus.ListNames" ?01:42
sivangslomo_: hal isn't there :p http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30741/01:45
slomo_sivang: ok :) so pitti is really the person to talk to, i know almost nothing about hal01:47
sivangslomo_: Sure thing, thanks for making sure it's hal, I'm investigating what happend.01:48
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TheMusoNight folks.01:53
HobbseeTheMuso: you're *evil* :P01:56
StevenKWhat's he done?01:58
HobbseeStevenK: gotten me to start on merging01:59
StevenKHeh02:00
StevenKI blame wlassistant. It's so crap, and I'm so cranky at it that I'm looking at merges tonight just so I don't go mad.02:00
Hobbseeoh how frustrating02:03
Hobbseesomeone took my merge, and didnt tell me about it02:03
StevenKNeat. :-/02:03
StevenKOh, take a breath, ghc6!02:04
StevenK5 minutes of CPU time and counting...02:05
StevenKAnd 800Mb of RAM...02:05
StevenKHrrrrrrrrrrm. I think I saw this mentioned in the changelog.02:05
StevenK    - Call gcc with -O0 when Hat/PreludeBasic.hs gets compiled otherwise02:06
StevenK      cc1 will consume an awfull lot of memory. This should fix the FTBFS02:06
StevenK      on m86k, mipsel, powerpc and s390.02:06
StevenKThat'd be it.02:06
Hobbseeawww...looks like someone needs to merge madison02:07
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StevenKBlink? Madison is a script, part of dak.02:08
StevenKOh geeeez. I'm 600Mb into swap.02:08
Hobbseesorry, madison-lite, or whatever it is02:08
Hobbseewhatever's used in request sync02:08
StevenKapt-cache madison is02:09
Hobbseethat's teh one02:09
Hobbseethat being said, it doesnt appear that the edgy version looks any different than the feisty one would, at the moment02:09
StevenKExactly. So I'm confused.02:10
StevenKHah.02:11
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StevenK    - Call gcc with -O0 when Hat/PreludeBasic.hs gets compiled otherwise02:16
StevenK      cc1 will consume an awfull lot of memory. This should fix the FTBFS02:16
StevenK      on m86k, mipsel, powerpc and s390.02:16
StevenKOh bugger.02:16
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bddebianHeya gang04:01
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ajmitchmorning04:30
bddebianHeya ajmitch04:30
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jdongare newer versions of cmake compatible with older onew?04:32
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Mirvhi. for some reason I've having hard time to find actual information about how to proceed to have a debian package (from etch&sid) imported into universe, if it's not existing in ubuntu at all?05:22
MirvDeveloperResources speaks about syncing, but seems to talk about newer package versions. MOTU speaks about packaging new software, ie in the case it's not packages (either in Debian) previously05:22
Mirva nice answer would be eg. that "go with the syncing guide", ie. I can do a sync request for a package that does not exist in Ubuntu yet, but is in Debian05:23
BurgworkMirv: it will be autosynced, or should be05:27
GloubiboulgaMirv: you can request a sync for a NEW package in ubuntu05:27
Burgworkif it isn't, request a sync05:27
sivangBurgwork: not sure this is supposed to happen for NEW packages ?05:28
Burgworkhmm05:28
Burgworknew packages in Debian should be autosynced as well05:29
sivangah, so manual requests is only after UVF probably05:30
sivangBurgwork: you in mountain view btw?05:30
MirvGloubiboulga: NEW in Ubuntu or NEW in Debian? the four packages I'm talking about are now in etch without RC bugs, should they automatically be imported to Ubuntu without any intervention?05:30
Burgworksivang: no *grumble*05:30
Mirvso there is no process needed to "inform" Ubuntu about newly packaged packages in Debian, basically?05:30
BurgworkMirv: it should happen automatically05:30
Gloubiboulga_should_05:30
Mirvok, so it's a matter of waiting then... hopefully05:31
Burgworkwatch the auto changes mailing list05:31
Gloubiboulgayep05:31
Mirvis there any list about "to-be-imported" packages, would be nice to check if they're coming or not..05:31
Burgworkif it doesn't happen with a week or so after MTV, file a bug05:31
Burgworkie: late Nov.05:31
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Mirvok, have to put a note for myself somwhere05:32
sivangBurgwork: auto chances list?05:32
sivangBurgwork: I didn't know there was anyting but a -changes list ;)05:32
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Mirvubuntu-changes-auto seems quiet since January05:33
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Burgworkthat is only active while auto syncs from Debian are going on05:35
MirvI'm going to put the packages in MainInclusionReview after that (those should be official part of a language support), aiming for feisty, but I can't proceed before the packages are in universe. luckily there's a lot of time till feisty.05:39
Burgworkwhat are you trying to put in Main?05:39
sivangMirv: since, finally we've returned to the 6 months cycle ;)05:40
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MirvBurgwork: suomi-malaga, libvoikko, tmispell-voikko, openoffice.org-voikko - basically bringing the first really working open source Finnish spellchecking and hyphenation into ispell/libenchant/OOo applications, replacing poorly working aspell/myspell/ispell-fi:s05:41
Burgworkah05:41
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Q-FUNKMirv: they are already in Debian.  they just need to be synced06:01
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Q-FUNKworking quite well indeed, I might add06:02
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MirvQ-FUNK: yes, I was just wondering if the sync is automatic, when it's happening etc. but apparently it should be happening in 1-3 weeks.06:20
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pirast_i try to create a package.. but it only contains the documentation - it is being compiled but it is not beingt integrated into the deb. whats wrogn06:34
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Gloubiboulgapirast_: the installation part fails I guess06:43
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LaserJockugggg06:48
pirast_Gloubiboulga, thans06:48
LaserJockthe forums are killing me06:48
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jsgotangcoforums are killing hyou?06:49
jsgotangcohehe06:49
fernandoforums killer06:49
pirast_why?06:49
jsgotangcogo bug roald06:49
jsgotangcohehe06:49
LaserJockpeople are just doing crazy things06:49
LaserJockmisinformation all over the place06:49
pirast_yeah i know06:50
zulheh...and thats different how?06:50
LaserJocktoday I see somebody telling people to dist-upgrade from Dapper to Feisty06:50
LaserJockstraight06:50
jsgotangcohahaha06:50
pirast_lol06:50
jsgotangcowooohooo06:50
zulhmm..06:50
pirast_argh06:50
LaserJockthey don't understand that it is remotely usable right now because we haven't really broken it yet06:50
bddebianheh06:51
jsgotangcoahh just ignore it, it always happen after every release06:51
LaserJockI know06:51
LaserJockit's just tough to see that kind of stuff going to users that might not know any better06:51
ajmitchhey LaserJock06:51
jsgotangcoi can dare say that ubuntu cares for the forums because of the sheer number of people there06:52
ajmitchjsgotangco: pretty much06:52
jsgotangcocares/interests whatever06:52
jsgotangcocanonical/ubuntu whatever06:52
sivangjsgotangco++06:53
sivangjsgotangco: there is even a spec "Forums Embassadors" to make sure communicatoin is not ill between ubuntu and the forums, IIRC06:55
jsgotangconice title06:55
jsgotangco:)06:55
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sivangjsgotangco: hehe06:56
sivangme too06:56
sivangor to become one :)06:56
jsgotangcohaha06:56
jsgotangcoif that happens, every UDS would only have motherhood statements06:56
Burgworkour forums are the single largest forums of any Ubuntu distro, by any measure06:57
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jsgotangcoexcept that for some reason "our" forums doesn't seem to be "ours" sometimes06:58
jsgotangco:)06:58
Burgworkright06:58
LaserJockdepends on who "us" and "them" are ;-)07:00
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ajmitchLaserJock: we're not bitter, at all :)07:03
LaserJockI'm not bitter07:03
LaserJockI'm just sad07:03
ajmitchheh07:03
jdongwould there be any problems with a cmake backport to dapper?07:05
jdongit seems like most things that build with cmake are now using 2.4 features07:05
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LaserJockyeah, so between the "Fesity is fine to upgrade to straight from Dapper" and "Why don't the developers provide a 1-click derivative (aka scripted apt-get lines) building tool" I think I might be done for the day ;-)07:14
zulLaserJock: everytime you read the forums i die a little07:16
LaserJocksorry dude07:16
zuland now you are making me read the forums07:17
LaserJockoh, don't do that07:17
LaserJockreally07:18
zultoo late07:18
LaserJockI don't want our Xen lord to die07:18
BurgworkI don't either07:18
Burgworkhe makes the Canadian team look good07:18
LaserJockhehe07:18
zulheh07:18
zulBurgwork: we have another canadian on the kernel team soon07:19
Burgworkreally?07:19
Burgworkrock!07:19
zulyep07:19
zuler gl usplash?07:19
zulokie dokie07:19
LaserJockhmmm, is this a vast Canadian conspiracy?07:19
LaserJockthe Canuks are talking over our kernel :/07:19
LaserJocks/talking/taking/07:20
zulyeah it is got a problem with it? :)07:20
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jdongLaserJock: I'm sure you don't want to read one of the "automatix should be in main" threads? :D07:22
Burgworkjdong: who. Link me up harder07:22
LaserJockdon't...kill....me07:23
jdongBurgwork: I'm joking07:24
jdongBurgwork: I HOPE07:24
LaserJockwell, we get autopackage by default, why not automatix?07:24
jdongBurgwork: the question was asked in some of the support IRC channels though07:24
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jdongLaserJock: because checkinstall is the only way to install packages :D07:24
jdongoh yeah, alien works too07:24
jdong:D07:24
LaserJockaliened checkinstall package are the only way to go07:25
LaserJockis there checkinstall for  rpms?07:25
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LaserJockthat would be an interesting crack comparison07:25
jdongLaserJock: oh yeah, you betcha07:25
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jdongLaserJock: checkinstall was initially an RPM thing07:25
jdong(I think)07:25
LaserJockhehe, I might have imagined07:26
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jdongwho would want to miss out on checkinstall?07:26
LaserJockI thought you were going to say that RPM = checkinstall ;-p07:26
tomveensLaserJock: You know more about cinelerra progress?07:26
LaserJockprogress?07:26
tomveensif there is progress07:26
jdongLaserJock: I believed I also walked in on someone saying "dh_make && debuild -b" is all you need to do for safe packaging07:27
jdongLaserJock: it was in ubuntu-devel, if I am not mistaken07:27
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LaserJocktomveens: I'd guess it'd take ~ 1 month to get cinelerra in the repos07:27
LaserJockjdong: ouch07:27
LaserJocktomveens: if people stick with it though we'll get there ;-)07:28
tomveensokay, you need any help or something?07:28
LaserJockme?07:28
LaserJockwe all need help ;-)07:28
jdonglol07:28
LaserJockBurgwork: you using conduit?07:29
jdongspeaking of azureus, what did happen to fixing up the azureus package?07:29
tomveensthat I will believe ;)07:29
BurgworkBurgwork: nope, not yet07:29
LaserJockLaserJock: I installed their Edgy package last night and tried to sync my tomboy notes, but it didn't seem to do anything07:30
LaserJockheh07:30
tomveensLaserJock: What are the first steps, contacting the cinelerra cv guys?07:30
jdongLaserJock: talking to yourself?07:30
LaserJockjdong: apparently, Burgwork started it though07:30
LaserJocktomveens: yes, see if they will give you their source packages07:30
jdonglol07:31
tomveensokay07:31
LaserJocktomveens: it looks like there packages also requires 1 other dependency that we dont' have07:31
LaserJocktomveens: so we'll need to do that one too07:31
tomveensyou know the name of that dependancy?07:31
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BurgworkLaserJock: whiprush is your contact on conduit07:32
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jdongLaserJock: checkinstall? :D07:33
LaserJocktomveens: not exactly sure07:34
LaserJocktomveens: they just mention something here: http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/README07:34
LaserJockBurgwork: hmm, I should have talked to him about that at Mt. View07:35
Burgworkright07:35
LaserJockBurgwork: I was his "driver" for 2 days ;-)07:35
LaserJockoh well07:36
LaserJockthe conduit interface is a little confusing07:36
tomveensLaserJock: Didn't we talked about Riccardo Setti, thought he had something to do in the conversation about cinelerra07:36
LaserJockI'll probably just use some rsync scripts07:36
LaserJocktomveens: he filed an ITP bug in Debian a year ago07:37
LaserJockgiskard: ping07:37
giskardpong07:37
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tomveensthat was it yes07:37
giskardLaserJock: you are lucky ;)07:37
LaserJockthat's good to know :-)07:37
tomveensgiskard: you wanted cinelerra a year ago I hear07:37
giskardtomveens: huston we have a  problem! video patents07:38
LaserJockgiskard: what kind of problems07:38
tomveensaj07:38
LaserJockgiskard: stuff that isn't in Multiverse?07:38
giskardLaserJock: video codec patents07:38
tomveenswich ones?07:39
tomveensfor cinelerra you mean?07:39
LaserJockgiskard: what I'm trying to get at is, can we put it in Multiverse07:39
LaserJockgiskard: or is it completely undistributable07:39
giskardtomveens: all the patented libs are in the marillat repository07:40
giskardLaserJock: dunno, i have to check.07:40
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LaserJockgiskard: we have mjpegtools in Multiverse07:40
giskardtomveens: yes, for compile cinelerra.07:40
LaserJockI'm not sure what else is needed07:40
giskardwait07:41
tomveensokay07:41
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giskardtomveens: did you already read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=33107207:44
UbugtuDebian bug 331072 in wnpp "ITP: cinelerra-cvs -- non-linear video editor and compositor for Linux." [Wishlist,Open] 07:44
tomveensyes, but am bit of a noob07:45
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giskardtomveens: libdvd4 libavcodeccvs51-dev07:48
giskardare not in ubuntu and cinelerra needs it07:48
giskard(At last not in universe)(i don't use multiverse)07:48
tomveensbut it could be in multiverse, and could cinelerra work without it?07:49
mr_pouitlibavcodec-dev - development files for libavcodec07:49
mr_pouit(in universe)07:49
mr_pouit(it could work with it ?)07:49
giskardmr_pouit: dunno :(07:49
mr_pouit:/07:49
tomveensis it worth a try?07:50
giskardtomveens: i don't have time for cinelerra, sorry. feel free to do what you want  with my ITP07:50
giskardtomveens: i'm interested in it ( i  used it :) ) but i have too much thing to do right now..07:51
tomveensnp, I am not good in these things but I like it so that's why I am trying07:51
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giskardtomveens: i have svn rw access on the main repo, if you want provide patches for debian/ or anything else not code related ask me, you are welcome!07:52
tomveensgiskard: Thanks! :)07:52
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tomveenswow, connection problems?08:06
tomveensare libdvd4 libavcodeccvs51-dev license problems?08:09
tomveensgiskard: you know this?08:10
LaserJockpatent issues i guess08:11
tomveensaha08:12
giskardtomveens: in fact you have to pay for use them.08:14
giskardencode e decode afaik08:14
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giskardyou have to check debian-legal@lists.debian.org archives, i wrote a mail asking for comments.08:14
giskardah! and you  may want to use the latest libtheora-mmx (not packaged yet, i guess)08:17
LaserJockand cinelerra has to be built with libdvd4 and libavcodeccvs51-dev?08:17
giskardLaserJock: yes, afaik.08:18
tomveensgiskard: I can not find your post, is it on your real name?08:19
giskarddunno, try giskard @ autistici org08:19
tomveenscan not find anything in debian lists search08:21
giskardhttp://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/09/msg00247.html08:21
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tomveensread http://rafb.net/paste/results/9ycczl14.html for some more info about it08:24
giskardtomveens: yes. i know. and as holgar said, we have to wait until heroine will write license.08:29
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tomveensI don't know if that is good news or bad news, you say waiting, and I hope heroine is quick08:32
giskardheroine is not very fast... :(08:34
tomveensyou have experience, maybe they could hand a lot of that work over to the community?08:35
zulhah i thought i read heroin08:35
zuli been in california too long08:35
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tomveenscalifornia is all about weed isn't it?08:40
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tomveensnot saw it together with him ;)08:41
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giskarddholbach: new libtelepathy and farsight uploaded ;)09:19
dholbachgiskard: yeah, already saw it - good work on that!09:19
giskard:)09:19
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ajmitchhi kiko11:09
kikoajmitch, too busy this week eh?11:09
ajmitchat UDS11:09
kikoI know11:10
ajmitchwhat was the bug?11:10
kiko3070something11:11
kikoit had to do with the zodb being uninstallable with zope-interfaces11:11
kikoajmitch, is that something that could interest you? reads like a pretty simple tweak11:11
kikoif it is I can find the bug11:11
ajmitchright11:11
kikookay11:12
ajmitchbug 3070111:13
UbugtuMalone bug 30701 in zodb "python2.4-zodb should depend on python2.4-zopeinterface?" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3070111:13
ajmitchok, it's a different problem with python-zodb11:16
ajmitchI'll see if I have time for it tonight11:16
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LaserJockhmm, is there a feisty debootstrap yet?11:37
lupine_85hehe11:37
lupine_85eager :)11:37
giskardLaserJock: yes.11:37
lupine_85but yes, debootstrap feisty works11:37
LaserJockI just need a feisty pbuilder11:37
LaserJockI'm not *that* eager11:38
geserdebootstrap was one of the first packages uploaded to feisty11:38
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TheMusoLaserJock: FInd out at wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot11:39
TheMusoTheres a link to the feisty debootstrap.11:39
LaserJockbah11:39
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