[12:42] <tomveens> hello
[12:43] <tomveens> I want to make a package of cinelerra, is there someone who can instruct me?
[12:44] <kiko> doesn't one exist?
[12:44] <tomveens> not for ubuntu amd64
[12:45] <LaserJock> tomveens: have you read the ubuntu packaging guide?
[12:45] <tomveens> yes, and took a lesson a few months ago, but I am really a noob
[12:45] <tomveens> sorry
[12:46] <LaserJock> well
[12:46] <LaserJock> then it's probably better to start working on it and then if you have a problem then ask here
[12:46] <LaserJock> it's much easier to deal with specific issues
[12:47] <tomveens> yes, I know what you mean
[12:48] <tomveens> first step is making an ubuntu packaging environment isn't it?
[12:48] <LaserJock> is  there a cinelerra package in Ubuntu at all?
[12:48] <LaserJock> or Debian
[12:49] <tomveens> there are 32 bit packages
[12:49] <tomveens> http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/README
[12:49] <tomveens> and this is old
[12:50] <LaserJock> well, I was meaning in the offical repos
[12:50] <LaserJock> I don't think there are
[12:50] <tomveens> not in mine (me is amd64)
[12:53] <Adri2000> MOTU/Packages/Candidates says that someone is working on it
[12:54] <LaserJock> yikes, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=331072
[12:54] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 331072 in wnpp "ITP: cinelerra-cvs -- non-linear video editor and compositor for Linux." [Wishlist,Open] 
[12:54] <tomveens> if that is someone from I believe brazil then he is working on it for a long long time
[12:54] <LaserJock> is there licensing issues?
[12:54] <tomveens> not that I know of
[12:55] <tomveens> I tryed to contact him months ago to figure out what the problems where, but did not get answer
[12:55] <LaserJock> tomveens: Riccardo Setti?
[12:56] <tomveens> have to look trought my mail for that, sec!
[12:57] <LaserJock> oh, Rodrigo Belem is the person on the Candidates page
[12:57] <kiko> rbelem
[12:57] <LaserJock> that was some time ago (maybe close to a year)
[12:57] <tomveens> Rodrigo Belem
[12:57] <tomveens> was the name
[12:57] <tomveens> have the mail in front of me
[12:58] <LaserJock> Riccardo Setti is the person who files the Debian ITP
[12:58] <tomveens> aha
[12:58] <LaserJock> and he was just here, giskard is the nick
[12:58] <tomveens> Riccardo Setti or Rodrigo Belem?
[12:59] <LaserJock> Riccardo
[12:59] <LaserJock> I haven't seen rbelem here in quite some time
[12:59] <tomveens> he did the cinelerra debian packages?
[12:59] <LaserJock> he filed an "intent to package" (ITP)
[12:59] <tomveens> okay
[01:00] <LaserJock> but it looks like  there were issues (the bug link I gave above)
[01:00] <LaserJock> the ITP is a year old
[01:00] <tomveens> Rodrigo Belem give a response I see here, and that is that he was out of a job for some time and that is why het packaged
[01:00] <tomveens> maybe he has a job now?
[01:02] <tomveens> but there are licence issues to get cinellera packaged in ubuntu?
[01:02] <LaserJock> I don't know
[01:02] <LaserJock> I just wondered
[01:03] <Fujitsu> It has to go in multiverse, I know that.
[01:03] <LaserJock> that's often the case
[01:03] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:03] <LaserJock> maybe that was the licensing issue
[01:04] <LaserJock> anyway, I'd ask Jure Cuhalev (gandalf or whatever) if he has a source package available
[01:04] <LaserJock> I don't see one on http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/
[01:04] <tomveens> http://www.mail-archive.com/cinelerra@skolelinux.no/msg03119.html
[01:05] <tomveens> here Herman Robak says he wants to do it
[01:06] <LaserJock> why the heck haven't they approached us?
[01:07] <tomveens> ???
[01:07] <LaserJock> they have a big thread on finding a maintainer for Ubuntu packages
[01:07] <Fujitsu> But they didn't ask us!?
[01:07] <LaserJock> no
[01:07] <LaserJock> not that I know of
[01:07] <TheMuso> Is this to do with the forums again? :)
[01:07] <LaserJock> no
[01:08] <LaserJock> cinelerra
[01:08] <tomveens> can I ask you :)
[01:08] <TheMuso> Ah.
[01:08] <LaserJock> ask me what? :-)
[01:09] <tomveens> making an ubuntu amd64 cinelerra package, please? :)
[01:09] <LaserJock> no :-)
[01:10] <tomveens> bugger :(
[01:10] <LaserJock> but having people around to help should be bad
[01:10] <fernando> i can to try to packaging the cinerella?
[01:10] <tomveens> that would be great!
[01:11] <LaserJock> I'd as the cinelerra if you could get their source package and then make sure it's ok and put it on REVU
[01:11] <LaserJock> s/as/ask/
[01:12] <tomveens> use cinelerra cv and not the heroinewarrior version
[01:12] <joejaxx> LaserJock:
[01:12] <tomveens> from http://cvs.cinelerra.org/
[01:12] <joejaxx> how can i execute a chroot command from the outside?
[01:13] <joejaxx> LaserJock: sudo chroot blah echo "blah" > randomfile
[01:13] <joejaxx> comes up with access denied
[01:13] <fbond> joejaxx, you can't use the shell redirection
[01:13] <LaserJock> pbuilder or dchroot or chroot?
[01:14] <joejaxx> man that stinks :\
[01:14] <fbond> your shell only has non-root access rights
[01:14] <joejaxx> LaserJock: chroot
[01:14] <fbond> do this:
[01:14] <fbond> sudo chroot sh -c 'echo "blah" > randomfile'
[01:14] <fbond> (I think)
[01:14] <joejaxx> ahh yes
[01:14] <joejaxx> i forgot about the -c flag
[01:17] <joejaxx> fbond: so that command will be executed as if i was logged into the chroot right?
[01:17] <fbond> um .. should
[01:17] <joejaxx> ok
[01:17] <joejaxx> sudo chroot $LIVEFS sh -c 'echo "deb-src $REPOSURL $RLBASE $REPOSECTION" >> /etc/apt/sources.list'
[01:17] <joejaxx> right now i have that
[01:18] <fbond> except your variables won't get substituted
[01:18] <fbond> inside single quotes
[01:18] <joejaxx> :(
[01:18] <fbond> do this:
[01:20] <fbond> sudo chroot $LIVEFS sh -c 'echo "deb-src '"$REPOSURL"' '"$RLBASE"' '"$REPOSECTION"'" >> /etc/apt/sources.list'
[01:20] <fbond> but that is starting to feel silly :)
[01:20] <joejaxx> ok
[01:20] <joejaxx> fbond: what do you mean?
[01:20] <fbond> all those quotes ! :)
[01:20] <joejaxx> oh lol
[01:21] <fbond> it may be better to just inver the quotes:
[01:21] <joejaxx> \"
[01:21] <joejaxx> ?
[01:21] <fbond> sudo chroot $LIVEFS sh -c "echo 'deb-src $REPOSURL $RLBASE $REPOSECTION' >> /etc/apt/sources.list"
[01:21] <fbond> I _think_ that might work
[01:22] <joejaxx> oh ok
[01:22] <fbond> I may be taking this too far, sorry ...
[01:22] <joejaxx> i will try
[01:23] <joejaxx> fbond: both of them worked
[01:23] <joejaxx> both methods
[01:23] <joejaxx> fbond: thanks i will use the inverse quote method
[01:24] <fbond> great, you're welcome
[01:24] <joejaxx> :)
[01:24] <joejaxx> LaserJock: welcome back
[01:25] <LaserJock> thanks ;-)
[01:25] <joejaxx> :)
[01:47] <jdong> !seen mez
[01:47] <ubotu> I last saw Mez (n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez) 5h 23m 11s ago, quiting: Remote closed the connection
[01:48] <jdong> thank you, ubotu
[01:48] <jdong> ubotu: I'm lonely. You want to hear a knock-knock joke?
[01:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about I'm lonely. You want to hear a knock-knock joke? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:48] <jdong> ubotu: knock knock.
[01:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about knock knock. - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:48] <jdong> you're no fun
[01:48] <Fujitsu> Speaking of Mez... Why did I see a changelog entry from him mentioning a backport using prevu?
[01:48] <Fujitsu> In feisty-changes?
[01:49] <jdong> Fujitsu: he ran prevu on his source dir and didn't know that prevu used to dch -i?
[01:49] <jdong> Fujitsu: bug 70930
[01:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70930 in prevu "Prevu'ing a package should revert changelog after" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70930
[02:32] <pianoboy3333> How do you get checkinstall to use a setup.py?
[02:33] <LaserJock> pianoboy3333: you don't use checkinstall
[02:33] <pianoboy3333> LaserJock: ok... I'll build a real deb... :(
[02:34] <pianoboy3333> How do you get checkinstall to use a setup.py?
[02:34] <pianoboy3333> wait... I just asked that... nm, sorry
[02:40] <zul_> checkinstall is fun
[02:40] <Hobbsee> zul_: checkinstall segfaulting, is, yes
[02:41] <LaserJock> maybe we should write a wrapper for it :-)
[03:00] <pianoboy3333> Anyone want a deb of spe 0.8.3.c?
[03:07] <jdong> pianoboy3333: I'll take a dsc.... :)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> jdong: perhaps a diff.gz would be more useful
[03:12] <jdong> Hobbsee: excuuse me for being lazy
[03:12] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:12] <jdong> kind of helps if prevu doesn't clean out the built debs as "temporary data" :D
[03:21] <pianoboy3333> jdong: you want one?
[03:22] <jdong> pianoboy3333: meh, no hurry
[03:22] <jdong> I'm just a light spe user
[03:22] <jdong> kind of ironic to use light and spe in the same line though :)
[03:23] <pianoboy3333> jdong: http://piano.juicemedia.tv/debs
[03:35] <jdong> ugh, and this is SO pdebuild's fault
[03:36] <jdong> with --use-internal-pdebuild, it no longer listens to --buildresult
[03:36] <jdong> and nothing in the documentation said that'd happen :D
[03:40] <jdong> pianoboy3333: would you happen to know why fonts in the editor aren't antialiased?
[03:40] <jdong> and if there's a setting for that, someone should be shot
[04:00] <gnomefreak> if im not a dev for a package does that mean i cant add files to it (debian/rules) if thats all thats standing in way of package and universe/multiverse?
[04:02] <LaserJock> hmm?
[04:03] <LaserJock> I mean, we can do whatever we need to
[04:19] <gnomefreak> im just worried the tar doesnt have the files i need to build it and i really think it should be in repos (frostwire) since i get asked about it a few times a day
[04:25] <sid_> hi, I have a package which I wish to be added in the ubuntu repos
[04:26] <sid_> http://mrbayes.csit.fsu.edu/ its here
[04:26] <sid_> it will be used by many biologists
[04:26] <LaserJock> cool
[04:27] <sid_> its GPLed
[04:27] <tritium> Three cheers for Bayesian inference!
[04:28] <LaserJock> hi tritium
[04:28] <LaserJock> sid_: well, I'm sure the MOTU Science team would be interested in that
[04:28] <tritium> hi LaserJock
[04:29] <LaserJock> heh
[04:31] <LaserJock> tritium: you should package it ;-)
[04:31] <tritium> LaserJock: maybe I can.
[04:37] <sid_> thanks :) I don't know much about packaging
[06:53] <fernando> what's a unstripped-binary-or-object ?
[06:58] <LaserJock> hmm, I suppose a binary that hasn't been stripped of debugging symbols
[06:59] <fernando> LaserJock: how to fix this?
[06:59] <LaserJock> not sure
[06:59] <LaserJock> haven't run across that one before
[07:00] <fernando> well, the package work =(
[07:04] <fernando> uploaded mrbayes-3.1.2 to revu
[07:06] <joejaxx> LaserJock: do you know why: E: Couldn't find package linux-dri-modules-2.6.15-27-386
[07:06] <joejaxx> why there is not a dri module package for 15-27?
[07:07] <LaserJock> I don't
[07:09] <joejaxx> anyone else know?
[07:09] <fernando> to re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring, which grants you upload rights to REVU ?
[07:10] <joejaxx> i am probably going to have to downgrade to 15-26
[08:34] <siretart> fernando: done
[09:39] <imbrandon> ...
[09:39] <imbrandon> lastlog imbrandon
[09:39] <imbrandon> gah
[09:39] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: need a slash there
[09:39] <imbrandon> yup lol
[09:40] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: hows it going
[09:40] <Burgundavia> not bad
[09:40] <Burgundavia> wish I was in MTV
[09:41] <imbrandon> yea , that would be nice if you were
[09:41] <Burgundavia> you are not the only person who has claimed to "miss me". I am in doubt still :)
[09:41] <imbrandon> nah, it really would be cool
[09:42] <imbrandon> without you and jdub its not the same hehe
[09:42] <Burgundavia> now with jdub I agree with you
[09:43] <imbrandon> :)
[09:43] <lifeless> imbrandon: go to sleep man
[09:43] <lifeless> sheesh :)
[09:43] <lifeless> gnight
[09:43] <imbrandon> haha
[09:43] <imbrandon> gnight
[09:43] <imbrandon> good idea
[09:44] <imbrandon> lifeless: i had to finiah the draft i did today before the fureur got me tomarrow :)
[09:44] <imbrandon> finish*
[11:28] <herzi> can someone please take a look at bug 71054
[11:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71054 in mozilla-thunderbird "Epiphany doesn't open https://" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71054
[11:28] <herzi> ?
[11:32] <Fujitsu> herzi: That's a dupe of some bug in Epiphany, but this isn't really the right channel.
[11:33] <Adri2000> seems that the global sync from debian has started
[11:34] <Fujitsu> Adri2000: How do you know this?
[11:35] <Fujitsu> I'm not noticing a flood of mail on feisty-changes...
[11:35] <Adri2000> https://launchpad.net/+builds buildds are busy, they are building packages with no ubuntu changes
[11:36] <Adri2000> and I have a package waiting for building for some hours now :p
[11:37] <Adri2000> Fujitsu: are you sure these packages directly synced from debian should appear on feisty-changes? (I don't know, just a question)
[11:37] <Fujitsu> Actually, that's a good point...
[11:37] <Fujitsu> Normal syncs do, but I'm not sure about the autosync.
[11:40] <TheMuso> I think I have actually done one already.
[11:50] <Adri2000> http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html < all the "outstanding merges" need a human to do the merge?
[11:51] <sistpoty_uni> hi folks
[11:51] <fernando> moin all
[11:57] <Fujitsu> Adri2000: Correct. I'm going through all of mine now, and most others should in the near future.
[11:57] <TheMuso> Adri2000: It is a good idea that you ask someone before you take a merge.
[11:58] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Am I correct in guessing that merge policy is still the same as the end of the merge cycle from edgy?
[11:58] <Adri2000> Fujitsu: and what do the colors mean?
[11:58] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: There's been no change, so I presume so.
[11:58] <TheMuso> Righto.
[11:59] <Fujitsu> Adri2000: They are the priorities of the new versions in Debian, red being high priority.
[11:59] <sistpoty_uni> did merges start already?
[11:59] <Fujitsu> sistpoty_uni: Most people haven't started, but some have.
[11:59] <Adri2000> TheMuso: ok, ask the last uploader
[11:59] <Adri2000> Fujitsu: ok
[11:59] <Fujitsu> And the autosync was turned on about 24 hours ago.
[12:00] <sistpoty_uni> Fujitsu: ah... so the archives are open now
[12:00] <Fujitsu> sistpoty_uni: For a few days now
[12:00] <sistpoty_uni> great :)
[12:00] <TheMuso> Adri2000: Thats right.
[12:02] <StevenK> Heh
[12:02] <TheMuso> StevenK: Hey there.
[12:03] <geser> Fujitsu: have you time to upload a merge for me? bug 70422
[12:03] <Fujitsu> Hi StevenK.
[12:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70422 in cddb.bundle "[Feisty] [Merge]  cddb.bundle 0.2-2.2ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70422
[12:03] <Fujitsu> geser: Of course, if it's sane :P
[12:03] <fernando> i have uploaded a package to revu. Do I only have to wait now? =)
[12:04] <Fujitsu> Hey \sh.
[12:04] <\sh> moins
[12:05] <\sh> long time no see
[12:05] <sistpoty_uni> hey \sh
[12:05] <\sh> hey sistpoty_uni
[12:05] <StevenK> But packages.d.o hasn't damn well updated.
[12:05] <Adri2000> fernando: yes, just wait for a reviewer to look at your package
[12:06] <fernando> Adri2000: thanks
[12:08] <Adri2000> grab-merge.sh nice
[12:08] <geser> could someone please ACK the following Sync Requests? bug 70438, bug 70436, bug 70431, bug 70427
[12:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70438 in pantomime1.2 "[Sync Request]  Sync pantomime1.2 (1.2.0~pre2.dfsg-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70438
[12:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70436 in lusernet.app "[Sync Request]  Sync lusernet.app (0.4.2-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70436
[12:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70431 in gnustep-netclasses "[Sync Request]  Sync gnustep-netclasses  (0.0.20040112.dfsg-0.2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70431
[12:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70427 in gnustep-dl2 "[Sync Request]  Sync gnustep-dl2 (0.10.1-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70427
[12:09] <Adri2000> geser: all the packages from debian are currently being synced
[12:09] <geser> those packages have ubuntu changes which can be dropped
[12:09] <StevenK> If the packages in Ubuntu are unchanged from Debian they will just be pulled in.
[12:10] <Adri2000> geser: then it will appear in the merge-o-matic no?
[12:10] <Adri2000> if it has ubuntu changes
[12:10] <geser> yes
[12:11] <geser> these are some of my packages from the merge list
[12:12] <Adri2000> so I think the bug reports are useless
[12:12] <geser> why?
[12:13] <Fujitsu> geser: Uploading cddb.utils.
[12:13] <Adri2000> the one who will do the merge will see that the ubuntu changes can be dropped
[12:13] <geser> Fujitsu: thanks
[12:13] <Adri2000> I'm not sure...
[12:13] <geser> I was doing the merge
[12:15] <Adri2000> ok, I understand... it's better to do a sync than doing a merge if there are not anymore ubuntu changes
[12:16] <geser> but as I'm not a MOTU I need a MOTU to ACK those syncs before they get to the archive admins
[12:19] <Adri2000> geser: ok
[12:19] <StevenK> Sigh. It's Optarse.
[12:20] <TheMuso> StevenK: What a surprise.
[12:20] <StevenK> TheMuso: Indeed. :-)
[12:20] <StevenK> No wonder I can only download at 6KB/s
[12:22] <TheMuso> heh
[12:22] <TheMuso> SOunds like someone along the chain needs to provision more bandwidth or something.
[12:23] <TheMuso> Or cut the leachers. :p
[12:23] <StevenK> No, it's packet loss on the routers.
[12:23] <StevenK> Muahaha, tunneling through to work gives me 120KB/s
[12:23] <TheMuso> hahaha
[12:24] <StevenK> Take that, Optus.
[12:24] <Fujitsu> What's Optus got to do with anything?
[12:24] <StevenK> They're upstream for Exetel.
[12:25] <TheMuso> THats interesting, I *THINK* that Optus are also upstream for Westnet, but am not sure.
[12:25] <StevenK> mtr/traceroute might shed some light.
[12:26] <TheMuso> StevenK: YOu are trying to get to f.d.o right?
[12:27] <StevenK> I switched to http.us.d.o, but yeah
[12:27] <TheMuso> Right.
[12:28] <Fujitsu> I uploaded cddb.utils some time ago, still no acception email...
[12:29] <TheMuso> StevenK: Looks like it does, but you're probably better than me at deciphering these. Want a look?
[12:29] <StevenK> TheMuso: Sure.
[12:29] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: Singtel == Optus, if that helps.
[12:30] <TheMuso> StevenK: Just a sec. I'll get it on some webspace.
[12:31] <TheMuso> StevenK: http://www.themuso.id.au/trace.log should do it.
[12:31] <StevenK> Looks suspiously like my trace.
[12:36] <TheMuso> Right.
[12:37] <TheMuso> How long does it take you to display the f.d.o root dir contents?
[12:39] <StevenK> TheMuso: 4 seconds
[12:39] <TheMuso> Right.
[12:39] <TheMuso> Same as me.
[12:39] <TheMuso> pretty much
[12:39] <StevenK> I think debian/pool/x might be a better test. :-)
[12:41] <TheMuso> Ok... I am able to pull down a 9MB netboot ISo at full speed.
[12:41] <TheMuso> Hovering around 161-163
[12:41] <StevenK> From where?
[12:41] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: nice!
[12:42] <TheMuso> StevenK: f.d.o/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/images/netboot/
[12:42] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Heya!
[12:42] <Hobbsee> hey TheMuso!
[12:42] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Get merging! Universe depends on you!
[12:42] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: why?
[12:42] <StevenK> Heh
[12:43] <Fujitsu> I need to manually request syncs of new packages from Debian, right?
[12:43] <Hobbsee> no
[12:43] <Hobbsee> not from sid
[12:46] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Did Soyuz eventually respond?
[12:46] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: It did, after 15-20 minutes.
[12:51] <TheMuso> hahaha
[12:51] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:52] <Adri2000> I looked at the frozen-bubble merge and the only ubuntu change (fix in the .desktop) has been integrated in debian
[12:53] <Fujitsu> Adri2000: In which case you should file a sync request.
[12:53] <Fujitsu> (after confirming that the Debian package builds properly in a Feisty pbuilder)
[12:53] <Adri2000> Fujitsu: a sync request you will confirm? :p
[12:53] <StevenK> Fujitsu: And installs. *slap*
[12:54] <Fujitsu> StevenK: True.
[12:54] <Fujitsu> Adri2000: Maybe :P
[12:54] <Adri2000> :)
[12:54] <StevenK> I also like to confirm that the thing, you know, actually executes before I file a sync request.
[12:54] <Adri2000> I'll try to build and install it
[12:54] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Of course.
[12:58] <geser> Adri2000: frozen-bubble 2 needs libsdl-pango1 which isn't in ubuntu yet
[12:59] <Adri2000> :-/
[01:00] <Adri2000> just have to wait the end of the auto syncs
[01:06] <StevenK> TheMuso: I'd be interested in seeing how fast you can download from merges.u.c
[01:07] <StevenK> Since I'm getting bugger all KB/s
[01:07] <TheMuso> StevenK: Give me a file and I'll grab it for testing.
[01:07] <StevenK> (And yes, bugger all is a number now)
[01:07] <TheMuso> Well let me know before I start a debootstrap so I can give accurate figures. :)
[01:08] <Fujitsu> StevenK: I'm on Optus Cable, and I get an absolutely dismal speed.
[01:08] <StevenK> http://merges.ubuntu.com/h/hat/hat_2.04.orig.tar.gz
[01:08] <Fujitsu> Sounds good...
[01:09] <Fujitsu> Hovering ~10.5KB/s
[01:09] <TheMuso> Easily pulled at a speed of over 100KB/Sec here.
[01:09] <TheMuso> All the way through that.
[01:10] <StevenK> Using the highly scientific means of ls ; sleep 5 ; ls, I'm getting 3KB over 5 seconds.
[01:10] <TheMuso> heh
[01:10] <TheMuso> StevenK: Do you want a trace to m.u.c for comparison to yours?
[01:11] <TheMuso> Latencies may be different, but at least it would show you the path.
[01:11] <StevenK> I think my torrent is monopolizing my link, which doesn't help.
[01:11] <TheMuso> Right.
[01:12] <sivang> has any of you guys saw that dbus/hal are broken in latest feisty upgrade?
[01:12] <TheMuso> No.
[01:13] <TheMuso> I'm going to stick with chroots for now.
[01:13] <StevenK> Neither of my feisty chroots have/need dbus or hal. :-P
[01:14] <Hobbsee> do we have a release schedule yet?
[01:14] <Hobbsee> when does the auto merging finish?
[01:14] <sivang> TheMuso: probably a good  idea :)
[01:14] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Yes, and soonish
[01:15] <Fujitsu> Oh dear, `Herd 1'
[01:15] <Hobbsee> bah, that's still ages
[01:15] <StevenK> Hrm, not soonish
[01:16] <sivang> what's herd 1 ?
[01:16] <sivang> ah, the milestone cd name?
[01:16] <sivang> ;)
[01:16] <sivang> mornign slomo !
[01:16] <StevenK> Heh
[01:16] <sivang> slomo: something b0rkked with debus/hal
[01:16] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: If you've got exams etc, I can understand that.
[01:16] <sivang> slomo: dbus_bindings.DBusException: Could not get owner of name 'org.freedesktop.Hal': no such name
[01:16] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: true.  but still
[01:16] <sivang> slomo: hal and dbus are running, for some reason hal is not publishing itself
[01:17] <slomo> sivang: one moment
[01:17] <sivang> (as it appears from the error message)
[01:17] <slomo> sivang: works for me... a reboot or something doesn't fix it for you? does avahi for example work for you?
[01:20] <sivang> slomo: what's the name of the GUI client? :)
[01:20] <sivang> slomo: the deamon seems to be running
[01:21] <slomo> sivang: avahi-discover? or what do you mean?
[01:21] <sivang> slomo: that one exactly :)
[01:21] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: darn you.  doing one of the merges
[01:21] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: hahahaha
[01:21] <Hobbsee> malone #59992
[01:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59992 in cogito "Should depend on curl" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59992
[01:24] <sivang> slomo: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30737/
[01:24] <sivang> slomo: dbus_bindings.DBusException: The name org.freedesktop.Avahi was not provided by any .service files
[01:24] <sivang> slomo: ^^ avahi-discover raises this
[01:25] <sivang> slomo: but that might be due to a bad .service file
[01:25] <sivang> any usb device also are not automatically mounted anymore.
[01:28] <slomo_> sivang: does it work?
[01:29] <sivang> slomo_: what does ?
[01:29] <slomo_> sivang: avahi-discover... or something else that uses the system bus
[01:32] <zakame> evening all :D
[01:32] <sivang> slomo_: lshal doesn't work even
[01:32] <sivang> slomo_: and h-d-m doesn't as well
[01:33] <slomo_> sivang: avahi-discover neither? "ps aux | grep dbus" in a pastebin please :)
[01:34] <sivang> slomo_: system bus seems to be running, I'd guess the problem is with hal - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30738/
[01:36] <slomo_> sivang: ok... talk to pitti then :)
[01:36] <sivang> slomo_: right, thanks :)
[01:42] <slomo_> sivang: output of "dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.DBus /org/freedesktop/DBus org.freedesktop.DBus.ListNames" ?
[01:45] <sivang> slomo_: hal isn't there :p http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30741/
[01:47] <slomo_> sivang: ok :) so pitti is really the person to talk to, i know almost nothing about hal
[01:48] <sivang> slomo_: Sure thing, thanks for making sure it's hal, I'm investigating what happend.
[01:53] <TheMuso> Night folks.
[01:56] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: you're *evil* :P
[01:58] <StevenK> What's he done?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> StevenK: gotten me to start on merging
[02:00] <StevenK> Heh
[02:00] <StevenK> I blame wlassistant. It's so crap, and I'm so cranky at it that I'm looking at merges tonight just so I don't go mad.
[02:03] <Hobbsee> oh how frustrating
[02:03] <Hobbsee> someone took my merge, and didnt tell me about it
[02:03] <StevenK> Neat. :-/
[02:04] <StevenK> Oh, take a breath, ghc6!
[02:05] <StevenK> 5 minutes of CPU time and counting...
[02:05] <StevenK> And 800Mb of RAM...
[02:05] <StevenK> Hrrrrrrrrrrm. I think I saw this mentioned in the changelog.
[02:06] <StevenK>     - Call gcc with -O0 when Hat/PreludeBasic.hs gets compiled otherwise
[02:06] <StevenK>       cc1 will consume an awfull lot of memory. This should fix the FTBFS
[02:06] <StevenK>       on m86k, mipsel, powerpc and s390.
[02:06] <StevenK> That'd be it.
[02:07] <Hobbsee> awww...looks like someone needs to merge madison
[02:08] <StevenK> Blink? Madison is a script, part of dak.
[02:08] <StevenK> Oh geeeez. I'm 600Mb into swap.
[02:08] <Hobbsee> sorry, madison-lite, or whatever it is
[02:08] <Hobbsee> whatever's used in request sync
[02:09] <StevenK> apt-cache madison is
[02:09] <Hobbsee> that's teh one
[02:09] <Hobbsee> that being said, it doesnt appear that the edgy version looks any different than the feisty one would, at the moment
[02:10] <StevenK> Exactly. So I'm confused.
[02:11] <StevenK> Hah.
[02:16] <StevenK>     - Call gcc with -O0 when Hat/PreludeBasic.hs gets compiled otherwise
[02:16] <StevenK>       cc1 will consume an awfull lot of memory. This should fix the FTBFS
[02:16] <StevenK>       on m86k, mipsel, powerpc and s390.
[02:16] <StevenK> Oh bugger.
[04:01] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:30] <ajmitch> morning
[04:30] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[04:32] <jdong> are newer versions of cmake compatible with older onew?
[05:22] <Mirv> hi. for some reason I've having hard time to find actual information about how to proceed to have a debian package (from etch&sid) imported into universe, if it's not existing in ubuntu at all?
[05:22] <Mirv> DeveloperResources speaks about syncing, but seems to talk about newer package versions. MOTU speaks about packaging new software, ie in the case it's not packages (either in Debian) previously
[05:23] <Mirv> a nice answer would be eg. that "go with the syncing guide", ie. I can do a sync request for a package that does not exist in Ubuntu yet, but is in Debian
[05:27] <Burgwork> Mirv: it will be autosynced, or should be
[05:27] <Gloubiboulga> Mirv: you can request a sync for a NEW package in ubuntu
[05:27] <Burgwork> if it isn't, request a sync
[05:28] <sivang> Burgwork: not sure this is supposed to happen for NEW packages ?
[05:28] <Burgwork> hmm
[05:29] <Burgwork> new packages in Debian should be autosynced as well
[05:30] <sivang> ah, so manual requests is only after UVF probably
[05:30] <sivang> Burgwork: you in mountain view btw?
[05:30] <Mirv> Gloubiboulga: NEW in Ubuntu or NEW in Debian? the four packages I'm talking about are now in etch without RC bugs, should they automatically be imported to Ubuntu without any intervention?
[05:30] <Burgwork> sivang: no *grumble*
[05:30] <Mirv> so there is no process needed to "inform" Ubuntu about newly packaged packages in Debian, basically?
[05:30] <Burgwork> Mirv: it should happen automatically
[05:30] <Gloubiboulga> _should_
[05:31] <Mirv> ok, so it's a matter of waiting then... hopefully
[05:31] <Burgwork> watch the auto changes mailing list
[05:31] <Gloubiboulga> yep
[05:31] <Mirv> is there any list about "to-be-imported" packages, would be nice to check if they're coming or not..
[05:31] <Burgwork> if it doesn't happen with a week or so after MTV, file a bug
[05:31] <Burgwork> ie: late Nov.
[05:32] <Mirv> ok, have to put a note for myself somwhere
[05:32] <sivang> Burgwork: auto chances list?
[05:32] <sivang> Burgwork: I didn't know there was anyting but a -changes list ;)
[05:33] <Mirv> ubuntu-changes-auto seems quiet since January
[05:35] <Burgwork> that is only active while auto syncs from Debian are going on
[05:39] <Mirv> I'm going to put the packages in MainInclusionReview after that (those should be official part of a language support), aiming for feisty, but I can't proceed before the packages are in universe. luckily there's a lot of time till feisty.
[05:39] <Burgwork> what are you trying to put in Main?
[05:40] <sivang> Mirv: since, finally we've returned to the 6 months cycle ;)
[05:41] <Mirv> Burgwork: suomi-malaga, libvoikko, tmispell-voikko, openoffice.org-voikko - basically bringing the first really working open source Finnish spellchecking and hyphenation into ispell/libenchant/OOo applications, replacing poorly working aspell/myspell/ispell-fi:s
[05:41] <Burgwork> ah
[06:01] <Q-FUNK> Mirv: they are already in Debian.  they just need to be synced
[06:02] <Q-FUNK> working quite well indeed, I might add
[06:20] <Mirv> Q-FUNK: yes, I was just wondering if the sync is automatic, when it's happening etc. but apparently it should be happening in 1-3 weeks.
[06:34] <pirast_> i try to create a package.. but it only contains the documentation - it is being compiled but it is not beingt integrated into the deb. whats wrogn
[06:43] <Gloubiboulga> pirast_: the installation part fails I guess
[06:48] <LaserJock> ugggg
[06:48] <pirast_> Gloubiboulga, thans
[06:48] <LaserJock> the forums are killing me
[06:49] <jsgotangco> forums are killing hyou?
[06:49] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:49] <fernando> forums killer
[06:49] <pirast_> why?
[06:49] <jsgotangco> go bug roald
[06:49] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:49] <LaserJock> people are just doing crazy things
[06:49] <LaserJock> misinformation all over the place
[06:50] <pirast_> yeah i know
[06:50] <zul> heh...and thats different how?
[06:50] <LaserJock> today I see somebody telling people to dist-upgrade from Dapper to Feisty
[06:50] <LaserJock> straight
[06:50] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[06:50] <pirast_> lol
[06:50] <jsgotangco> wooohooo
[06:50] <zul> hmm..
[06:50] <pirast_> argh
[06:50] <LaserJock> they don't understand that it is remotely usable right now because we haven't really broken it yet
[06:51] <bddebian> heh
[06:51] <jsgotangco> ahh just ignore it, it always happen after every release
[06:51] <LaserJock> I know
[06:51] <LaserJock> it's just tough to see that kind of stuff going to users that might not know any better
[06:51] <ajmitch> hey LaserJock
[06:52] <jsgotangco> i can dare say that ubuntu cares for the forums because of the sheer number of people there
[06:52] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: pretty much
[06:52] <jsgotangco> cares/interests whatever
[06:52] <jsgotangco> canonical/ubuntu whatever
[06:53] <sivang> jsgotangco++
[06:55] <sivang> jsgotangco: there is even a spec "Forums Embassadors" to make sure communicatoin is not ill between ubuntu and the forums, IIRC
[06:55] <jsgotangco> nice title
[06:55] <jsgotangco> :)
[06:56] <sivang> jsgotangco: hehe
[06:56] <sivang> me too
[06:56] <sivang> or to become one :)
[06:56] <jsgotangco> haha
[06:56] <jsgotangco> if that happens, every UDS would only have motherhood statements
[06:57] <Burgwork> our forums are the single largest forums of any Ubuntu distro, by any measure
[06:58] <jsgotangco> except that for some reason "our" forums doesn't seem to be "ours" sometimes
[06:58] <jsgotangco> :)
[06:58] <Burgwork> right
[07:00] <LaserJock> depends on who "us" and "them" are ;-)
[07:03] <ajmitch> LaserJock: we're not bitter, at all :)
[07:03] <LaserJock> I'm not bitter
[07:03] <LaserJock> I'm just sad
[07:03] <ajmitch> heh
[07:05] <jdong> would there be any problems with a cmake backport to dapper?
[07:05] <jdong> it seems like most things that build with cmake are now using 2.4 features
[07:14] <LaserJock> yeah, so between the "Fesity is fine to upgrade to straight from Dapper" and "Why don't the developers provide a 1-click derivative (aka scripted apt-get lines) building tool" I think I might be done for the day ;-)
[07:16] <zul> LaserJock: everytime you read the forums i die a little
[07:16] <LaserJock> sorry dude
[07:17] <zul> and now you are making me read the forums
[07:17] <LaserJock> oh, don't do that
[07:18] <LaserJock> really
[07:18] <zul> too late
[07:18] <LaserJock> I don't want our Xen lord to die
[07:18] <Burgwork> I don't either
[07:18] <Burgwork> he makes the Canadian team look good
[07:18] <LaserJock> hehe
[07:18] <zul> heh
[07:19] <zul> Burgwork: we have another canadian on the kernel team soon
[07:19] <Burgwork> really?
[07:19] <Burgwork> rock!
[07:19] <zul> yep
[07:19] <zul> er gl usplash?
[07:19] <zul> okie dokie
[07:19] <LaserJock> hmmm, is this a vast Canadian conspiracy?
[07:19] <LaserJock> the Canuks are talking over our kernel :/
[07:20] <LaserJock> s/talking/taking/
[07:20] <zul> yeah it is got a problem with it? :)
[07:22] <jdong> LaserJock: I'm sure you don't want to read one of the "automatix should be in main" threads? :D
[07:22] <Burgwork> jdong: who. Link me up harder
[07:23] <LaserJock> don't...kill....me
[07:24] <jdong> Burgwork: I'm joking
[07:24] <jdong> Burgwork: I HOPE
[07:24] <LaserJock> well, we get autopackage by default, why not automatix?
[07:24] <jdong> Burgwork: the question was asked in some of the support IRC channels though
[07:24] <jdong> LaserJock: because checkinstall is the only way to install packages :D
[07:24] <jdong> oh yeah, alien works too
[07:24] <jdong> :D
[07:25] <LaserJock> aliened checkinstall package are the only way to go
[07:25] <LaserJock> is there checkinstall for  rpms?
[07:25] <LaserJock> that would be an interesting crack comparison
[07:25] <jdong> LaserJock: oh yeah, you betcha
[07:25] <jdong> LaserJock: checkinstall was initially an RPM thing
[07:25] <jdong> (I think)
[07:26] <LaserJock> hehe, I might have imagined
[07:26] <jdong> who would want to miss out on checkinstall?
[07:26] <LaserJock> I thought you were going to say that RPM = checkinstall ;-p
[07:26] <tomveens> LaserJock: You know more about cinelerra progress?
[07:26] <LaserJock> progress?
[07:26] <tomveens> if there is progress
[07:27] <jdong> LaserJock: I believed I also walked in on someone saying "dh_make && debuild -b" is all you need to do for safe packaging
[07:27] <jdong> LaserJock: it was in ubuntu-devel, if I am not mistaken
[07:27] <LaserJock> tomveens: I'd guess it'd take ~ 1 month to get cinelerra in the repos
[07:27] <LaserJock> jdong: ouch
[07:28] <LaserJock> tomveens: if people stick with it though we'll get there ;-)
[07:28] <tomveens> okay, you need any help or something?
[07:28] <LaserJock> me?
[07:28] <LaserJock> we all need help ;-)
[07:28] <jdong> lol
[07:29] <LaserJock> Burgwork: you using conduit?
[07:29] <jdong> speaking of azureus, what did happen to fixing up the azureus package?
[07:29] <tomveens> that I will believe ;)
[07:29] <Burgwork> Burgwork: nope, not yet
[07:30] <LaserJock> LaserJock: I installed their Edgy package last night and tried to sync my tomboy notes, but it didn't seem to do anything
[07:30] <LaserJock> heh
[07:30] <tomveens> LaserJock: What are the first steps, contacting the cinelerra cv guys?
[07:30] <jdong> LaserJock: talking to yourself?
[07:30] <LaserJock> jdong: apparently, Burgwork started it though
[07:30] <LaserJock> tomveens: yes, see if they will give you their source packages
[07:31] <jdong> lol
[07:31] <tomveens> okay
[07:31] <LaserJock> tomveens: it looks like there packages also requires 1 other dependency that we dont' have
[07:31] <LaserJock> tomveens: so we'll need to do that one too
[07:31] <tomveens> you know the name of that dependancy?
[07:32] <Burgwork> LaserJock: whiprush is your contact on conduit
[07:33] <jdong> LaserJock: checkinstall? :D
[07:34] <LaserJock> tomveens: not exactly sure
[07:34] <LaserJock> tomveens: they just mention something here: http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/README
[07:35] <LaserJock> Burgwork: hmm, I should have talked to him about that at Mt. View
[07:35] <Burgwork> right
[07:35] <LaserJock> Burgwork: I was his "driver" for 2 days ;-)
[07:36] <LaserJock> oh well
[07:36] <LaserJock> the conduit interface is a little confusing
[07:36] <tomveens> LaserJock: Didn't we talked about Riccardo Setti, thought he had something to do in the conversation about cinelerra
[07:36] <LaserJock> I'll probably just use some rsync scripts
[07:37] <LaserJock> tomveens: he filed an ITP bug in Debian a year ago
[07:37] <LaserJock> giskard: ping
[07:37] <giskard> pong
[07:37] <tomveens> that was it yes
[07:37] <giskard> LaserJock: you are lucky ;)
[07:37] <LaserJock> that's good to know :-)
[07:37] <tomveens> giskard: you wanted cinelerra a year ago I hear
[07:38] <giskard> tomveens: huston we have a  problem! video patents
[07:38] <LaserJock> giskard: what kind of problems
[07:38] <tomveens> aj
[07:38] <LaserJock> giskard: stuff that isn't in Multiverse?
[07:38] <giskard> LaserJock: video codec patents
[07:39] <tomveens> wich ones?
[07:39] <tomveens> for cinelerra you mean?
[07:39] <LaserJock> giskard: what I'm trying to get at is, can we put it in Multiverse
[07:39] <LaserJock> giskard: or is it completely undistributable
[07:40] <giskard> tomveens: all the patented libs are in the marillat repository
[07:40] <giskard> LaserJock: dunno, i have to check.
[07:40] <LaserJock> giskard: we have mjpegtools in Multiverse
[07:40] <giskard> tomveens: yes, for compile cinelerra.
[07:40] <LaserJock> I'm not sure what else is needed
[07:41] <giskard> wait
[07:41] <tomveens> okay
[07:44] <giskard> tomveens: did you already read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=331072
[07:44] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 331072 in wnpp "ITP: cinelerra-cvs -- non-linear video editor and compositor for Linux." [Wishlist,Open] 
[07:45] <tomveens> yes, but am bit of a noob
[07:48] <giskard> tomveens: libdvd4 libavcodeccvs51-dev
[07:48] <giskard> are not in ubuntu and cinelerra needs it
[07:48] <giskard> (At last not in universe)(i don't use multiverse)
[07:49] <tomveens> but it could be in multiverse, and could cinelerra work without it?
[07:49] <mr_pouit> libavcodec-dev - development files for libavcodec
[07:49] <mr_pouit> (in universe)
[07:49] <mr_pouit> (it could work with it ?)
[07:49] <giskard> mr_pouit: dunno :(
[07:49] <mr_pouit> :/
[07:50] <tomveens> is it worth a try?
[07:50] <giskard> tomveens: i don't have time for cinelerra, sorry. feel free to do what you want  with my ITP
[07:51] <giskard> tomveens: i'm interested in it ( i  used it :) ) but i have too much thing to do right now..
[07:51] <tomveens> np, I am not good in these things but I like it so that's why I am trying
[07:52] <giskard> tomveens: i have svn rw access on the main repo, if you want provide patches for debian/ or anything else not code related ask me, you are welcome!
[07:52] <tomveens> giskard: Thanks! :)
[08:06] <tomveens> wow, connection problems?
[08:09] <tomveens> are libdvd4 libavcodeccvs51-dev license problems?
[08:10] <tomveens> giskard: you know this?
[08:11] <LaserJock> patent issues i guess
[08:12] <tomveens> aha
[08:14] <giskard> tomveens: in fact you have to pay for use them.
[08:14] <giskard> encode e decode afaik
[08:14] <giskard> you have to check debian-legal@lists.debian.org archives, i wrote a mail asking for comments.
[08:17] <giskard> ah! and you  may want to use the latest libtheora-mmx (not packaged yet, i guess)
[08:17] <LaserJock> and cinelerra has to be built with libdvd4 and libavcodeccvs51-dev?
[08:18] <giskard> LaserJock: yes, afaik.
[08:19] <tomveens> giskard: I can not find your post, is it on your real name?
[08:19] <giskard> dunno, try giskard @ autistici org
[08:21] <tomveens> can not find anything in debian lists search
[08:21] <giskard> http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/09/msg00247.html
[08:24] <tomveens> read http://rafb.net/paste/results/9ycczl14.html for some more info about it
[08:29] <giskard> tomveens: yes. i know. and as holgar said, we have to wait until heroine will write license.
[08:32] <tomveens> I don't know if that is good news or bad news, you say waiting, and I hope heroine is quick
[08:34] <giskard> heroine is not very fast... :(
[08:35] <tomveens> you have experience, maybe they could hand a lot of that work over to the community?
[08:35] <zul> hah i thought i read heroin
[08:35] <zul> i been in california too long
[08:40] <tomveens> california is all about weed isn't it?
[08:41] <tomveens> I saw "blow" with johnny depp
[08:41] <tomveens> not saw it together with him ;)
[09:19] <giskard> dholbach: new libtelepathy and farsight uploaded ;)
[09:19] <dholbach> giskard: yeah, already saw it - good work on that!
[09:19] <giskard> :)
[11:02] <kiko> ajmitch!
[11:09] <ajmitch> hi kiko
[11:09] <kiko> ajmitch, too busy this week eh?
[11:09] <ajmitch> at UDS
[11:10] <kiko> I know
[11:10] <ajmitch> what was the bug?
[11:11] <kiko> 3070something
[11:11] <kiko> it had to do with the zodb being uninstallable with zope-interfaces
[11:11] <kiko> ajmitch, is that something that could interest you? reads like a pretty simple tweak
[11:11] <kiko> if it is I can find the bug
[11:11] <ajmitch> right
[11:12] <kiko> okay
[11:13] <ajmitch> bug 30701
[11:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30701 in zodb "python2.4-zodb should depend on python2.4-zopeinterface?" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30701
[11:16] <ajmitch> ok, it's a different problem with python-zodb
[11:16] <ajmitch> I'll see if I have time for it tonight
[11:37] <LaserJock> hmm, is there a feisty debootstrap yet?
[11:37] <lupine_85> hehe
[11:37] <lupine_85> eager :)
[11:37] <giskard> LaserJock: yes.
[11:37] <lupine_85> but yes, debootstrap feisty works
[11:37] <LaserJock> I just need a feisty pbuilder
[11:38] <LaserJock> I'm not *that* eager
[11:38] <geser> debootstrap was one of the first packages uploaded to feisty
[11:39] <TheMuso> LaserJock: FInd out at wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[11:39] <TheMuso> Theres a link to the feisty debootstrap.
[11:39] <LaserJock> bah