=== micahcowan [n=micahcow@69.36.252.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === micahcowan [n=micahcow@69.36.252.2] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [i=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _DvP_ [n=David@128.235.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@64.140.73.92] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1_ is now known as suprem1 === suprem1 is now known as superm1 === tomveens [n=tomveens@ztn-c-1566b.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:42] hello [12:43] I want to make a package of cinelerra, is there someone who can instruct me? [12:44] doesn't one exist? [12:44] not for ubuntu amd64 [12:45] tomveens: have you read the ubuntu packaging guide? [12:45] yes, and took a lesson a few months ago, but I am really a noob [12:45] sorry [12:46] well [12:46] then it's probably better to start working on it and then if you have a problem then ask here [12:46] it's much easier to deal with specific issues [12:47] yes, I know what you mean [12:48] first step is making an ubuntu packaging environment isn't it? [12:48] is there a cinelerra package in Ubuntu at all? [12:48] or Debian [12:49] there are 32 bit packages [12:49] http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/README [12:49] and this is old [12:50] well, I was meaning in the offical repos [12:50] I don't think there are [12:50] not in mine (me is amd64) === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-143-185.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:53] MOTU/Packages/Candidates says that someone is working on it [12:54] yikes, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=331072 [12:54] Debian bug 331072 in wnpp "ITP: cinelerra-cvs -- non-linear video editor and compositor for Linux." [Wishlist,Open] [12:54] if that is someone from I believe brazil then he is working on it for a long long time [12:54] is there licensing issues? [12:54] not that I know of [12:55] I tryed to contact him months ago to figure out what the problems where, but did not get answer === redguy [n=mati@public-gprs19093.centertel.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:55] tomveens: Riccardo Setti? [12:56] have to look trought my mail for that, sec! [12:57] oh, Rodrigo Belem is the person on the Candidates page [12:57] rbelem [12:57] that was some time ago (maybe close to a year) [12:57] Rodrigo Belem [12:57] was the name [12:57] have the mail in front of me [12:58] Riccardo Setti is the person who files the Debian ITP [12:58] aha [12:58] and he was just here, giskard is the nick [12:58] Riccardo Setti or Rodrigo Belem? [12:59] Riccardo [12:59] I haven't seen rbelem here in quite some time [12:59] he did the cinelerra debian packages? [12:59] he filed an "intent to package" (ITP) [12:59] okay [01:00] but it looks like there were issues (the bug link I gave above) [01:00] the ITP is a year old [01:00] Rodrigo Belem give a response I see here, and that is that he was out of a job for some time and that is why het packaged [01:00] maybe he has a job now? === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp252-249.lns3.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:02] but there are licence issues to get cinellera packaged in ubuntu? [01:02] I don't know [01:02] I just wondered [01:03] It has to go in multiverse, I know that. === ash211_ [n=andrew@user-1121lvf.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:03] that's often the case [01:03] yeah [01:03] maybe that was the licensing issue [01:04] anyway, I'd ask Jure Cuhalev (gandalf or whatever) if he has a source package available [01:04] I don't see one on http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/ [01:04] http://www.mail-archive.com/cinelerra@skolelinux.no/msg03119.html [01:05] here Herman Robak says he wants to do it [01:06] why the heck haven't they approached us? [01:07] ??? [01:07] they have a big thread on finding a maintainer for Ubuntu packages [01:07] But they didn't ask us!? [01:07] no [01:07] not that I know of [01:07] Is this to do with the forums again? :) [01:07] no [01:08] cinelerra [01:08] can I ask you :) [01:08] Ah. [01:08] ask me what? :-) [01:09] making an ubuntu amd64 cinelerra package, please? :) [01:09] no :-) [01:10] bugger :( [01:10] but having people around to help should be bad [01:10] i can to try to packaging the cinerella? [01:10] that would be great! [01:11] I'd as the cinelerra if you could get their source package and then make sure it's ok and put it on REVU [01:11] s/as/ask/ [01:12] use cinelerra cv and not the heroinewarrior version [01:12] LaserJock: [01:12] from http://cvs.cinelerra.org/ [01:12] how can i execute a chroot command from the outside? [01:13] LaserJock: sudo chroot blah echo "blah" > randomfile [01:13] comes up with access denied [01:13] joejaxx, you can't use the shell redirection [01:13] pbuilder or dchroot or chroot? [01:14] man that stinks :\ [01:14] your shell only has non-root access rights [01:14] LaserJock: chroot [01:14] do this: [01:14] sudo chroot sh -c 'echo "blah" > randomfile' [01:14] (I think) [01:14] ahh yes [01:14] i forgot about the -c flag === redguy [n=mati@public-gprs19093.centertel.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:17] fbond: so that command will be executed as if i was logged into the chroot right? [01:17] um .. should [01:17] ok [01:17] sudo chroot $LIVEFS sh -c 'echo "deb-src $REPOSURL $RLBASE $REPOSECTION" >> /etc/apt/sources.list' [01:17] right now i have that === joejaxx goes to try [01:18] except your variables won't get substituted [01:18] inside single quotes [01:18] :( [01:18] do this: [01:20] sudo chroot $LIVEFS sh -c 'echo "deb-src '"$REPOSURL"' '"$RLBASE"' '"$REPOSECTION"'" >> /etc/apt/sources.list' [01:20] but that is starting to feel silly :) [01:20] ok [01:20] fbond: what do you mean? [01:20] all those quotes ! :) [01:20] oh lol [01:21] it may be better to just inver the quotes: [01:21] \" [01:21] ? === tomveens [n=tomveens@ztn-c-1566b.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:21] sudo chroot $LIVEFS sh -c "echo 'deb-src $REPOSURL $RLBASE $REPOSECTION' >> /etc/apt/sources.list" [01:21] I _think_ that might work [01:22] oh ok [01:22] I may be taking this too far, sorry ... [01:22] i will try [01:23] fbond: both of them worked [01:23] both methods [01:23] fbond: thanks i will use the inverse quote method [01:24] great, you're welcome [01:24] :) === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:24] LaserJock: welcome back [01:25] thanks ;-) [01:25] :) === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [i=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [i=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul_ [i=chuck@conference/ubuntuconf/x-f7ce1feb821e70c4] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:47] !seen mez [01:47] I last saw Mez (n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez) 5h 23m 11s ago, quiting: Remote closed the connection [01:48] thank you, ubotu [01:48] ubotu: I'm lonely. You want to hear a knock-knock joke? [01:48] Sorry, I don't know anything about I'm lonely. You want to hear a knock-knock joke? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [01:48] ubotu: knock knock. [01:48] Sorry, I don't know anything about knock knock. - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [01:48] you're no fun [01:48] Speaking of Mez... Why did I see a changelog entry from him mentioning a backport using prevu? [01:48] In feisty-changes? [01:49] Fujitsu: he ran prevu on his source dir and didn't know that prevu used to dch -i? [01:49] Fujitsu: bug 70930 [01:49] Malone bug 70930 in prevu "Prevu'ing a package should revert changelog after" [Medium,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70930 === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.147.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [i=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [i=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pianoboy3333 [n=alex@ool-43567d61.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:32] How do you get checkinstall to use a setup.py? === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:33] pianoboy3333: you don't use checkinstall === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-32-2.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:33] LaserJock: ok... I'll build a real deb... :( [02:34] How do you get checkinstall to use a setup.py? [02:34] wait... I just asked that... nm, sorry === pianoboy3333 [n=alex@ool-43567d61.dyn.optonline.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [02:40] checkinstall is fun [02:40] zul_: checkinstall segfaulting, is, yes [02:41] maybe we should write a wrapper for it :-) === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121lvf.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Sick] === pianoboy3333 [n=alex@ool-43567d61.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:00] Anyone want a deb of spe 0.8.3.c? [03:07] pianoboy3333: I'll take a dsc.... :) === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@64.140.73.93] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:12] jdong: perhaps a diff.gz would be more useful [03:12] Hobbsee: excuuse me for being lazy === jdong goes and fixes a prevu bug [03:12] :) [03:12] kind of helps if prevu doesn't clean out the built debs as "temporary data" :D === jdong hangs head in shame === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:21] jdong: you want one? [03:22] pianoboy3333: meh, no hurry [03:22] I'm just a light spe user [03:22] kind of ironic to use light and spe in the same line though :) [03:23] jdong: http://piano.juicemedia.tv/debs === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:35] ugh, and this is SO pdebuild's fault [03:36] with --use-internal-pdebuild, it no longer listens to --buildresult [03:36] and nothing in the documentation said that'd happen :D [03:40] pianoboy3333: would you happen to know why fonts in the editor aren't antialiased? [03:40] and if there's a setting for that, someone should be shot === slomo__ [n=slomo@dslb-084-061-128-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:00] if im not a dev for a package does that mean i cant add files to it (debian/rules) if thats all thats standing in way of package and universe/multiverse? [04:02] hmm? [04:03] I mean, we can do whatever we need to === aBiNg [n=helo_aBi@221.6.29.75] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] im just worried the tar doesnt have the files i need to build it and i really think it should be in repos (frostwire) since i get asked about it a few times a day === Tonio_ [n=tonio@38.99.84.33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === micahcowan [n=micahcow@69.36.252.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sid_ [n=sid@147.8.76.247] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:25] hi, I have a package which I wish to be added in the ubuntu repos [04:26] http://mrbayes.csit.fsu.edu/ its here [04:26] it will be used by many biologists [04:26] cool [04:27] its GPLed [04:27] Three cheers for Bayesian inference! [04:28] hi tritium [04:28] sid_: well, I'm sure the MOTU Science team would be interested in that [04:28] hi LaserJock === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:29] heh [04:31] tritium: you should package it ;-) [04:31] LaserJock: maybe I can. [04:37] thanks :) I don't know much about packaging === slomo__ [n=slomo@dslb-084-061-128-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chrisj [n=tortoise@209.79.152.253] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chrisj [n=tortoise@209.79.152.253] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Le_Vert [n=Adam@le-vert.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez -> bed [06:53] what's a unstripped-binary-or-object ? [06:58] hmm, I suppose a binary that hasn't been stripped of debugging symbols [06:59] LaserJock: how to fix this? [06:59] not sure [06:59] haven't run across that one before [07:00] well, the package work =( [07:04] uploaded mrbayes-3.1.2 to revu [07:06] LaserJock: do you know why: E: Couldn't find package linux-dri-modules-2.6.15-27-386 [07:06] why there is not a dri module package for 15-27? [07:07] I don't [07:09] anyone else know? [07:09] to re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring, which grants you upload rights to REVU ? [07:10] i am probably going to have to downgrade to 15-26 === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ezsquirt [n=bowser@vol21-1-82-224-19-51.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-63-201.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pingar [n=saltvik@ti500720a080-5552.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@137.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:34] fernando: done === ivoks [n=ivoks@0-181.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === desrt [n=desrt@dhcp-0-20-af-d2-7c-3.cpe.mountaincable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-76-177.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mlpug [n=user@a84-231-238-186.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === d33p__ [n=d33p@87.217.145.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@66.99.72.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:39] ... === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:39] lastlog imbrandon [09:39] gah [09:39] imbrandon: need a slash there [09:39] yup lol [09:40] Burgundavia: hows it going [09:40] not bad [09:40] wish I was in MTV [09:41] yea , that would be nice if you were === imbrandon just cant sleep yet, only a few are still awake [09:41] you are not the only person who has claimed to "miss me". I am in doubt still :) [09:41] nah, it really would be cool [09:42] without you and jdub its not the same hehe [09:42] now with jdub I agree with you [09:43] :) [09:43] imbrandon: go to sleep man [09:43] sheesh :) [09:43] gnight [09:43] haha [09:43] gnight [09:43] good idea === imbrandon beds [09:44] lifeless: i had to finiah the draft i did today before the fureur got me tomarrow :) [09:44] finish* === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cain_ [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cain_ [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp252-249.lns3.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-124-120.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === snowblink [n=snowblin@wind.snowblink.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xerxas [n=R67894@AGrenoble-257-1-89-145.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === geser [n=michael@dialin104124.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@benny.imendio.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:28] can someone please take a look at bug 71054 [11:28] Malone bug 71054 in mozilla-thunderbird "Epiphany doesn't open https://" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/71054 [11:28] ? === Zdra [n=zdra@54.196-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:32] herzi: That's a dupe of some bug in Epiphany, but this isn't really the right channel. [11:33] seems that the global sync from debian has started [11:34] Adri2000: How do you know this? [11:35] I'm not noticing a flood of mail on feisty-changes... [11:35] https://launchpad.net/+builds buildds are busy, they are building packages with no ubuntu changes [11:36] and I have a package waiting for building for some hours now :p [11:37] Fujitsu: are you sure these packages directly synced from debian should appear on feisty-changes? (I don't know, just a question) [11:37] Actually, that's a good point... [11:37] Normal syncs do, but I'm not sure about the autosync. === TheMuso notes his two merges. [11:40] I think I have actually done one already. === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:50] http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html < all the "outstanding merges" need a human to do the merge? === sistpoty_uni [n=sistpoty@faui31r.informatik.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:51] hi folks [11:51] moin all [11:57] Adri2000: Correct. I'm going through all of mine now, and most others should in the near future. [11:57] Adri2000: It is a good idea that you ask someone before you take a merge. [11:58] Fujitsu: Am I correct in guessing that merge policy is still the same as the end of the merge cycle from edgy? [11:58] Fujitsu: and what do the colors mean? [11:58] TheMuso: There's been no change, so I presume so. [11:58] Righto. [11:59] Adri2000: They are the priorities of the new versions in Debian, red being high priority. [11:59] did merges start already? [11:59] sistpoty_uni: Most people haven't started, but some have. [11:59] TheMuso: ok, ask the last uploader [11:59] Fujitsu: ok [11:59] And the autosync was turned on about 24 hours ago. [12:00] Fujitsu: ah... so the archives are open now [12:00] sistpoty_uni: For a few days now [12:00] great :) [12:00] Adri2000: Thats right. === TheMuso forgets that he needs to create a new pbuilder on this machine. [12:02] Heh [12:02] StevenK: Hey there. [12:03] Fujitsu: have you time to upload a merge for me? bug 70422 [12:03] Hi StevenK. [12:03] Malone bug 70422 in cddb.bundle "[Feisty] [Merge] cddb.bundle 0.2-2.2ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70422 [12:03] geser: Of course, if it's sane :P === StevenK waves. [12:03] i have uploaded a package to revu. Do I only have to wait now? =) === StevenK ponders filing an SRU bug. [12:04] Hey \sh. === Fujitsu locates requestsync. [12:04] <\sh> moins [12:05] <\sh> long time no see [12:05] hey \sh [12:05] <\sh> hey sistpoty_uni === StevenK wants to file a sync request. :-/ [12:05] But packages.d.o hasn't damn well updated. [12:05] fernando: yes, just wait for a reviewer to look at your package [12:06] Adri2000: thanks [12:08] grab-merge.sh nice [12:08] could someone please ACK the following Sync Requests? bug 70438, bug 70436, bug 70431, bug 70427 [12:08] Malone bug 70438 in pantomime1.2 "[Sync Request] Sync pantomime1.2 (1.2.0~pre2.dfsg-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70438 [12:08] Malone bug 70436 in lusernet.app "[Sync Request] Sync lusernet.app (0.4.2-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70436 [12:08] Malone bug 70431 in gnustep-netclasses "[Sync Request] Sync gnustep-netclasses (0.0.20040112.dfsg-0.2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70431 [12:08] Malone bug 70427 in gnustep-dl2 "[Sync Request] Sync gnustep-dl2 (0.10.1-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70427 === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:09] geser: all the packages from debian are currently being synced [12:09] those packages have ubuntu changes which can be dropped [12:09] If the packages in Ubuntu are unchanged from Debian they will just be pulled in. === StevenK ponders ignoring wlassistant for the night. [12:10] geser: then it will appear in the merge-o-matic no? [12:10] if it has ubuntu changes [12:10] yes [12:11] these are some of my packages from the merge list [12:12] so I think the bug reports are useless === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb1fb00-83.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:12] why? [12:13] geser: Uploading cddb.utils. [12:13] the one who will do the merge will see that the ubuntu changes can be dropped [12:13] Fujitsu: thanks [12:13] I'm not sure... [12:13] I was doing the merge [12:15] ok, I understand... it's better to do a sync than doing a merge if there are not anymore ubuntu changes [12:16] but as I'm not a MOTU I need a MOTU to ACK those syncs before they get to the archive admins === StevenK pokes ftp.d.o with a stick [12:19] geser: ok [12:19] Sigh. It's Optarse. [12:20] StevenK: What a surprise. [12:20] TheMuso: Indeed. :-) [12:20] No wonder I can only download at 6KB/s === StevenK would honestly prefer a 15 in front of the 6, which is what his DSL can usually do. === StevenK ponders using the pipe at the office...... [12:22] heh [12:22] SOunds like someone along the chain needs to provision more bandwidth or something. [12:23] Or cut the leachers. :p [12:23] No, it's packet loss on the routers. [12:23] Muahaha, tunneling through to work gives me 120KB/s [12:23] hahaha [12:24] Take that, Optus. [12:24] What's Optus got to do with anything? [12:24] They're upstream for Exetel. [12:25] THats interesting, I *THINK* that Optus are also upstream for Westnet, but am not sure. [12:25] mtr/traceroute might shed some light. === jinty [n=jinty@137.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb1fb00-83.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:26] StevenK: YOu are trying to get to f.d.o right? [12:27] I switched to http.us.d.o, but yeah [12:27] Right. === Fujitsu prods Soyuz. === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:28] I uploaded cddb.utils some time ago, still no acception email... [12:29] StevenK: Looks like it does, but you're probably better than me at deciphering these. Want a look? [12:29] TheMuso: Sure. [12:29] TheMuso: Singtel == Optus, if that helps. [12:30] StevenK: Just a sec. I'll get it on some webspace. [12:31] StevenK: http://www.themuso.id.au/trace.log should do it. [12:31] Looks suspiously like my trace. === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb1fb00-83.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:36] Right. [12:37] How long does it take you to display the f.d.o root dir contents? [12:39] TheMuso: 4 seconds [12:39] Right. [12:39] Same as me. [12:39] pretty much [12:39] I think debian/pool/x might be a better test. :-) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-124-189-12-73.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] Ok... I am able to pull down a 9MB netboot ISo at full speed. [12:41] Hovering around 161-163 [12:41] From where? [12:41] TheMuso: nice! === StevenK idly notes his torrent is getting 60, so the problem may have buggered off. [12:42] StevenK: f.d.o/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/images/netboot/ [12:42] Hobbsee: Heya! [12:42] hey TheMuso! [12:42] Hobbsee: Get merging! Universe depends on you! [12:42] TheMuso: why? [12:42] Heh [12:43] I need to manually request syncs of new packages from Debian, right? [12:43] no [12:43] not from sid [12:46] Fujitsu: Did Soyuz eventually respond? [12:46] TheMuso: It did, after 15-20 minutes. === StevenK ponders filing a sync request manually. === StevenK kicks packages.d.o until some chewing gum and a huge chunk falls off. [12:51] hahaha [12:51] haha [12:52] I looked at the frozen-bubble merge and the only ubuntu change (fix in the .desktop) has been integrated in debian [12:53] Adri2000: In which case you should file a sync request. [12:53] (after confirming that the Debian package builds properly in a Feisty pbuilder) [12:53] Fujitsu: a sync request you will confirm? :p [12:53] Fujitsu: And installs. *slap* [12:54] StevenK: True. [12:54] Adri2000: Maybe :P [12:54] :) [12:54] I also like to confirm that the thing, you know, actually executes before I file a sync request. [12:54] I'll try to build and install it [12:54] StevenK: Of course. === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb1fb00-83.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:58] Adri2000: frozen-bubble 2 needs libsdl-pango1 which isn't in ubuntu yet [12:59] :-/ [01:00] just have to wait the end of the auto syncs [01:06] TheMuso: I'd be interested in seeing how fast you can download from merges.u.c [01:07] Since I'm getting bugger all KB/s [01:07] StevenK: Give me a file and I'll grab it for testing. [01:07] (And yes, bugger all is a number now) === mr_pouit [n=silk@LAubervilliers-151-12-125-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:07] Well let me know before I start a debootstrap so I can give accurate figures. :) [01:08] StevenK: I'm on Optus Cable, and I get an absolutely dismal speed. === Fujitsu attempts to get a proper measurement. [01:08] http://merges.ubuntu.com/h/hat/hat_2.04.orig.tar.gz [01:08] Sounds good... [01:09] Hovering ~10.5KB/s [01:09] Easily pulled at a speed of over 100KB/Sec here. [01:09] All the way through that. === TheMuso debootstraps [01:10] Using the highly scientific means of ls ; sleep 5 ; ls, I'm getting 3KB over 5 seconds. [01:10] heh [01:10] StevenK: Do you want a trace to m.u.c for comparison to yours? [01:11] Latencies may be different, but at least it would show you the path. [01:11] I think my torrent is monopolizing my link, which doesn't help. [01:11] Right. [01:12] has any of you guys saw that dbus/hal are broken in latest feisty upgrade? [01:12] No. [01:13] I'm going to stick with chroots for now. [01:13] Neither of my feisty chroots have/need dbus or hal. :-P === StevenK is probably going to stick with chroots until about March. [01:14] do we have a release schedule yet? [01:14] when does the auto merging finish? [01:14] TheMuso: probably a good idea :) [01:14] Hobbsee: Yes, and soonish === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] Oh dear, `Herd 1' [01:15] bah, that's still ages [01:15] Hrm, not soonish [01:16] what's herd 1 ? [01:16] ah, the milestone cd name? === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:16] ;) === Hobbsee can ignore merges for a while then [01:16] mornign slomo ! [01:16] Heh [01:16] slomo: something b0rkked with debus/hal [01:16] Hobbsee: If you've got exams etc, I can understand that. [01:16] slomo: dbus_bindings.DBusException: Could not get owner of name 'org.freedesktop.Hal': no such name [01:16] TheMuso: true. but still [01:16] slomo: hal and dbus are running, for some reason hal is not publishing itself [01:17] sivang: one moment [01:17] (as it appears from the error message) === sivang hugs slomo [01:17] sivang: works for me... a reboot or something doesn't fix it for you? does avahi for example work for you? === sivang tries to use run avahi [01:20] slomo: what's the name of the GUI client? :) [01:20] slomo: the deamon seems to be running [01:21] sivang: avahi-discover? or what do you mean? [01:21] slomo: that one exactly :) [01:21] TheMuso: darn you. doing one of the merges [01:21] Hobbsee: hahahaha [01:21] malone #59992 [01:21] Malone bug 59992 in cogito "Should depend on curl" [Undecided,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59992 [01:24] slomo: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30737/ [01:24] slomo: dbus_bindings.DBusException: The name org.freedesktop.Avahi was not provided by any .service files [01:24] slomo: ^^ avahi-discover raises this [01:25] slomo: but that might be due to a bad .service file [01:25] any usb device also are not automatically mounted anymore. === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:28] sivang: does it work? [01:29] slomo_: what does ? [01:29] sivang: avahi-discover... or something else that uses the system bus === jrib [n=jasonr@unaffiliated/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:32] evening all :D [01:32] slomo_: lshal doesn't work even [01:32] slomo_: and h-d-m doesn't as well [01:33] sivang: avahi-discover neither? "ps aux | grep dbus" in a pastebin please :) [01:34] slomo_: system bus seems to be running, I'd guess the problem is with hal - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30738/ [01:36] sivang: ok... talk to pitti then :) [01:36] slomo_: right, thanks :) === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cain_ [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:42] sivang: output of "dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.DBus /org/freedesktop/DBus org.freedesktop.DBus.ListNames" ? [01:45] slomo_: hal isn't there :p http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30741/ [01:47] sivang: ok :) so pitti is really the person to talk to, i know almost nothing about hal [01:48] slomo_: Sure thing, thanks for making sure it's hal, I'm investigating what happend. === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@wall2.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:53] Night folks. [01:56] TheMuso: you're *evil* :P [01:58] What's he done? [01:59] StevenK: gotten me to start on merging [02:00] Heh [02:00] I blame wlassistant. It's so crap, and I'm so cranky at it that I'm looking at merges tonight just so I don't go mad. [02:03] oh how frustrating [02:03] someone took my merge, and didnt tell me about it [02:03] Neat. :-/ [02:04] Oh, take a breath, ghc6! [02:05] 5 minutes of CPU time and counting... [02:05] And 800Mb of RAM... [02:05] Hrrrrrrrrrrm. I think I saw this mentioned in the changelog. [02:06] - Call gcc with -O0 when Hat/PreludeBasic.hs gets compiled otherwise [02:06] cc1 will consume an awfull lot of memory. This should fix the FTBFS [02:06] on m86k, mipsel, powerpc and s390. [02:06] That'd be it. [02:07] awww...looks like someone needs to merge madison === StevenK notes cc1 is up to 330Mb. Is that an awful lot? [02:08] Blink? Madison is a script, part of dak. [02:08] Oh geeeez. I'm 600Mb into swap. [02:08] sorry, madison-lite, or whatever it is [02:08] whatever's used in request sync [02:09] apt-cache madison is [02:09] that's teh one [02:09] that being said, it doesnt appear that the edgy version looks any different than the feisty one would, at the moment [02:10] Exactly. So I'm confused. [02:11] Hah. === StevenK watches the memory graph go from full to three quarters empty [02:16] - Call gcc with -O0 when Hat/PreludeBasic.hs gets compiled otherwise [02:16] cc1 will consume an awfull lot of memory. This should fix the FTBFS [02:16] on m86k, mipsel, powerpc and s390. [02:16] Oh bugger. === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb1fb00-83.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgmobile [n=jsgmobil@125.212.63.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu__ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-124-120.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=greatwhi@125.212.63.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === d33p__ [n=d33p@87.217.145.7] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=chatzill@ppp-70-128-94-140.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pirast [n=martin@p508B2646.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@moodiegate.xandros.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:01] Heya gang === geser [n=michael@dialin106081.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === d33p__ [n=d33p@87.217.147.106] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sharms [n=sharms@ubuntu/member/sharms] has joined #ubuntu-motu === schultmc [n=schultmc@c-68-58-138-203.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:30] morning [04:30] Heya ajmitch === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:32] are newer versions of cmake compatible with older onew? === lophyte [n=dsulliva@ubuntu/member/lophyte] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubuntu_demon [n=depjayds@38.99.84.33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === infinito [n=infinito@75.Red-80-59-227.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@82.192.173.92] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pirast [n=martin@p508B2646.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mirv [n=tajyrink@pdpc/supporter/active/Mirv] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:22] hi. for some reason I've having hard time to find actual information about how to proceed to have a debian package (from etch&sid) imported into universe, if it's not existing in ubuntu at all? [05:22] DeveloperResources speaks about syncing, but seems to talk about newer package versions. MOTU speaks about packaging new software, ie in the case it's not packages (either in Debian) previously [05:23] a nice answer would be eg. that "go with the syncing guide", ie. I can do a sync request for a package that does not exist in Ubuntu yet, but is in Debian [05:27] Mirv: it will be autosynced, or should be [05:27] Mirv: you can request a sync for a NEW package in ubuntu [05:27] if it isn't, request a sync [05:28] Burgwork: not sure this is supposed to happen for NEW packages ? [05:28] hmm [05:29] new packages in Debian should be autosynced as well [05:30] ah, so manual requests is only after UVF probably [05:30] Burgwork: you in mountain view btw? [05:30] Gloubiboulga: NEW in Ubuntu or NEW in Debian? the four packages I'm talking about are now in etch without RC bugs, should they automatically be imported to Ubuntu without any intervention? [05:30] sivang: no *grumble* [05:30] so there is no process needed to "inform" Ubuntu about newly packaged packages in Debian, basically? [05:30] Mirv: it should happen automatically [05:30] _should_ [05:31] ok, so it's a matter of waiting then... hopefully [05:31] watch the auto changes mailing list [05:31] yep [05:31] is there any list about "to-be-imported" packages, would be nice to check if they're coming or not.. [05:31] if it doesn't happen with a week or so after MTV, file a bug [05:31] ie: late Nov. === ivoks [n=ivoks@wall2.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:32] ok, have to put a note for myself somwhere [05:32] Burgwork: auto chances list? [05:32] Burgwork: I didn't know there was anyting but a -changes list ;) === pirast_ [n=martin@p508B2646.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:33] ubuntu-changes-auto seems quiet since January === sivang subscribd [05:35] that is only active while auto syncs from Debian are going on [05:39] I'm going to put the packages in MainInclusionReview after that (those should be official part of a language support), aiming for feisty, but I can't proceed before the packages are in universe. luckily there's a lot of time till feisty. [05:39] what are you trying to put in Main? [05:40] Mirv: since, finally we've returned to the 6 months cycle ;) === ubuntu_demon [i=depjayds@conference/ubuntuconf/x-2cc41811261b442f] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:41] Burgwork: suomi-malaga, libvoikko, tmispell-voikko, openoffice.org-voikko - basically bringing the first really working open source Finnish spellchecking and hyphenation into ispell/libenchant/OOo applications, replacing poorly working aspell/myspell/ispell-fi:s [05:41] ah === zul [i=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:01] Mirv: they are already in Debian. they just need to be synced === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:02] working quite well indeed, I might add === Lure [i=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [i=daniel@conference/ubuntuconf/x-fe69335c33479917] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@66.99.72.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@66.99.72.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:20] Q-FUNK: yes, I was just wondering if the sync is automatic, when it's happening etc. but apparently it should be happening in 1-3 weeks. === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@66.99.72.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@benny.imendio.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:34] i try to create a package.. but it only contains the documentation - it is being compiled but it is not beingt integrated into the deb. whats wrogn === jsgotangco [n=greatwhi@125.212.63.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:43] pirast_: the installation part fails I guess === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio__ [i=tonio@conference/ubuntuconf/x-048fbf61953f073d] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:48] ugggg [06:48] Gloubiboulga, thans [06:48] the forums are killing me === mr_pouit [n=silk@LAubervilliers-151-12-125-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:49] forums are killing hyou? [06:49] hehe [06:49] forums killer [06:49] why? [06:49] go bug roald [06:49] hehe [06:49] people are just doing crazy things [06:49] misinformation all over the place [06:50] yeah i know [06:50] heh...and thats different how? [06:50] today I see somebody telling people to dist-upgrade from Dapper to Feisty [06:50] straight [06:50] hahaha [06:50] lol [06:50] wooohooo [06:50] hmm.. [06:50] argh [06:50] they don't understand that it is remotely usable right now because we haven't really broken it yet [06:51] heh [06:51] ahh just ignore it, it always happen after every release [06:51] I know [06:51] it's just tough to see that kind of stuff going to users that might not know any better [06:51] hey LaserJock [06:52] i can dare say that ubuntu cares for the forums because of the sheer number of people there [06:52] jsgotangco: pretty much [06:52] cares/interests whatever [06:52] canonical/ubuntu whatever [06:53] jsgotangco++ [06:55] jsgotangco: there is even a spec "Forums Embassadors" to make sure communicatoin is not ill between ubuntu and the forums, IIRC [06:55] nice title [06:55] :) === jsgotangco wants a local ubuntu consulate [06:56] jsgotangco: hehe [06:56] me too [06:56] or to become one :) [06:56] haha [06:56] if that happens, every UDS would only have motherhood statements [06:57] our forums are the single largest forums of any Ubuntu distro, by any measure === xopher [n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:58] except that for some reason "our" forums doesn't seem to be "ours" sometimes [06:58] :) [06:58] right [07:00] depends on who "us" and "them" are ;-) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:03] LaserJock: we're not bitter, at all :) [07:03] I'm not bitter [07:03] I'm just sad [07:03] heh [07:05] would there be any problems with a cmake backport to dapper? [07:05] it seems like most things that build with cmake are now using 2.4 features === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:14] yeah, so between the "Fesity is fine to upgrade to straight from Dapper" and "Why don't the developers provide a 1-click derivative (aka scripted apt-get lines) building tool" I think I might be done for the day ;-) [07:16] LaserJock: everytime you read the forums i die a little [07:16] sorry dude [07:17] and now you are making me read the forums [07:17] oh, don't do that [07:18] really [07:18] too late [07:18] I don't want our Xen lord to die [07:18] I don't either [07:18] he makes the Canadian team look good [07:18] hehe [07:18] heh [07:19] Burgwork: we have another canadian on the kernel team soon [07:19] really? [07:19] rock! [07:19] yep [07:19] er gl usplash? [07:19] okie dokie [07:19] hmmm, is this a vast Canadian conspiracy? [07:19] the Canuks are talking over our kernel :/ [07:20] s/talking/taking/ [07:20] yeah it is got a problem with it? :) === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:22] LaserJock: I'm sure you don't want to read one of the "automatix should be in main" threads? :D [07:22] jdong: who. Link me up harder [07:23] don't...kill....me [07:24] Burgwork: I'm joking [07:24] Burgwork: I HOPE [07:24] well, we get autopackage by default, why not automatix? [07:24] Burgwork: the question was asked in some of the support IRC channels though === LaserJock runs [07:24] LaserJock: because checkinstall is the only way to install packages :D [07:24] oh yeah, alien works too [07:24] :D [07:25] aliened checkinstall package are the only way to go [07:25] is there checkinstall for rpms? === tomveens [n=tomveens@ztn-c-1566b.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:25] that would be an interesting crack comparison [07:25] LaserJock: oh yeah, you betcha === Amaranth [i=travis@conference/ubuntuconf/x-f405ff1e7b89cab3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:25] LaserJock: checkinstall was initially an RPM thing [07:25] (I think) [07:26] hehe, I might have imagined === lophyte [n=dsulliva@ubuntu/member/lophyte] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:26] who would want to miss out on checkinstall? [07:26] I thought you were going to say that RPM = checkinstall ;-p [07:26] LaserJock: You know more about cinelerra progress? [07:26] progress? [07:26] if there is progress [07:27] LaserJock: I believed I also walked in on someone saying "dh_make && debuild -b" is all you need to do for safe packaging [07:27] LaserJock: it was in ubuntu-devel, if I am not mistaken === fredix [n=fredix@86.67.45.243] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:27] tomveens: I'd guess it'd take ~ 1 month to get cinelerra in the repos [07:27] jdong: ouch [07:28] tomveens: if people stick with it though we'll get there ;-) [07:28] okay, you need any help or something? [07:28] me? [07:28] we all need help ;-) [07:28] lol [07:29] Burgwork: you using conduit? [07:29] speaking of azureus, what did happen to fixing up the azureus package? [07:29] that I will believe ;) [07:29] Burgwork: nope, not yet [07:30] LaserJock: I installed their Edgy package last night and tried to sync my tomboy notes, but it didn't seem to do anything [07:30] heh [07:30] LaserJock: What are the first steps, contacting the cinelerra cv guys? [07:30] LaserJock: talking to yourself? [07:30] jdong: apparently, Burgwork started it though [07:30] tomveens: yes, see if they will give you their source packages [07:31] lol [07:31] okay [07:31] tomveens: it looks like there packages also requires 1 other dependency that we dont' have [07:31] tomveens: so we'll need to do that one too [07:31] you know the name of that dependancy? === Tonio__ [i=tonio@conference/ubuntuconf/x-b3c5174ff51b6a78] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:32] LaserJock: whiprush is your contact on conduit === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:33] LaserJock: checkinstall? :D [07:34] tomveens: not exactly sure [07:34] tomveens: they just mention something here: http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/README [07:35] Burgwork: hmm, I should have talked to him about that at Mt. View [07:35] right [07:35] Burgwork: I was his "driver" for 2 days ;-) [07:36] oh well [07:36] the conduit interface is a little confusing [07:36] LaserJock: Didn't we talked about Riccardo Setti, thought he had something to do in the conversation about cinelerra [07:36] I'll probably just use some rsync scripts [07:37] tomveens: he filed an ITP bug in Debian a year ago [07:37] giskard: ping [07:37] pong === psusi [i=hidden-u@iriserv.iradimed.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:37] that was it yes [07:37] LaserJock: you are lucky ;) [07:37] that's good to know :-) [07:37] giskard: you wanted cinelerra a year ago I hear [07:38] tomveens: huston we have a problem! video patents [07:38] giskard: what kind of problems [07:38] aj [07:38] giskard: stuff that isn't in Multiverse? [07:38] LaserJock: video codec patents [07:39] wich ones? [07:39] for cinelerra you mean? [07:39] giskard: what I'm trying to get at is, can we put it in Multiverse [07:39] giskard: or is it completely undistributable [07:40] tomveens: all the patented libs are in the marillat repository [07:40] LaserJock: dunno, i have to check. === vil [n=vladimir@catv-tisnov-86.selfnet.cz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:40] giskard: we have mjpegtools in Multiverse [07:40] tomveens: yes, for compile cinelerra. [07:40] I'm not sure what else is needed [07:41] wait [07:41] okay === joejaxx [i=jadaz87@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:44] tomveens: did you already read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=331072 [07:44] Debian bug 331072 in wnpp "ITP: cinelerra-cvs -- non-linear video editor and compositor for Linux." [Wishlist,Open] [07:45] yes, but am bit of a noob === fowlduck [n=nate@205.213.122.141] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:48] tomveens: libdvd4 libavcodeccvs51-dev [07:48] are not in ubuntu and cinelerra needs it [07:48] (At last not in universe)(i don't use multiverse) [07:49] but it could be in multiverse, and could cinelerra work without it? [07:49] libavcodec-dev - development files for libavcodec [07:49] (in universe) [07:49] (it could work with it ?) [07:49] mr_pouit: dunno :( [07:49] :/ [07:50] is it worth a try? [07:50] tomveens: i don't have time for cinelerra, sorry. feel free to do what you want with my ITP [07:51] tomveens: i'm interested in it ( i used it :) ) but i have too much thing to do right now.. [07:51] np, I am not good in these things but I like it so that's why I am trying === Plug [n=crb@203.167.190.117] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:52] tomveens: i have svn rw access on the main repo, if you want provide patches for debian/ or anything else not code related ask me, you are welcome! 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[08:09] are libdvd4 libavcodeccvs51-dev license problems? [08:10] giskard: you know this? [08:11] patent issues i guess [08:12] aha [08:14] tomveens: in fact you have to pay for use them. [08:14] encode e decode afaik === _DvP_ [n=David@128.235.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:14] you have to check debian-legal@lists.debian.org archives, i wrote a mail asking for comments. [08:17] ah! and you may want to use the latest libtheora-mmx (not packaged yet, i guess) [08:17] and cinelerra has to be built with libdvd4 and libavcodeccvs51-dev? [08:18] LaserJock: yes, afaik. [08:19] giskard: I can not find your post, is it on your real name? [08:19] dunno, try giskard @ autistici org [08:21] can not find anything in debian lists search [08:21] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/09/msg00247.html === ezsquirt [n=bowser@vol21-1-82-224-19-51.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:24] read http://rafb.net/paste/results/9ycczl14.html for some more info about it [08:29] tomveens: yes. i know. and as holgar said, we have to wait until heroine will write license. === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:32] I don't know if that is good news or bad news, you say waiting, and I hope heroine is quick [08:34] heroine is not very fast... :( [08:35] you have experience, maybe they could hand a lot of that work over to the community? [08:35] hah i thought i read heroin [08:35] i been in california too long === pirast [n=martin@p508B2646.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [i=travis@conference/ubuntuconf/x-9b28811cdcc3cf01] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:40] california is all about weed isn't it? === Gloubibo1lga [n=gauvain@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:41] I saw "blow" with johnny depp === Gloubibo1lga [n=gauvain@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:41] not saw it together with him ;) === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-76-177.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === awbassett [n=awbasset@206.135.97.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak doesnt like the fonts too much :( === dholbach [i=daniel@conference/ubuntuconf/x-72de5a2e54b936af] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [i=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:19] dholbach: new libtelepathy and farsight uploaded ;) [09:19] giskard: yeah, already saw it - good work on that! 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[11:09] at UDS [11:10] I know [11:10] what was the bug? [11:11] 3070something [11:11] it had to do with the zodb being uninstallable with zope-interfaces [11:11] ajmitch, is that something that could interest you? reads like a pretty simple tweak [11:11] if it is I can find the bug [11:11] right [11:12] okay [11:13] bug 30701 [11:13] Malone bug 30701 in zodb "python2.4-zodb should depend on python2.4-zopeinterface?" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/30701 [11:16] ok, it's a different problem with python-zodb [11:16] I'll see if I have time for it tonight === ubuntu_demon [i=depjayds@conference/ubuntuconf/x-6a7ca40e73e0ee5b] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@66.99.72.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [i=travis@conference/ubuntuconf/x-291d96dffd4d16b6] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [i=doko@conference/ubuntuconf/x-fef6fb562e3c2af0] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [i=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:37] hmm, is there a feisty debootstrap yet? [11:37] hehe [11:37] eager :) [11:37] LaserJock: yes. 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