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| cbx33 | how do i install xfce | 10:28 |
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| cbx33 | can i just install xubuntu-desktop | 10:28 |
| cbx33 | so I can boot gdm into either gnome or xfce? | 10:28 |
| willvdl | cbx33, think so | 10:40 |
| crimsun | depends how much of xubuntu-desktop you want. | 10:43 |
| crimsun | I normally use just 'xfce4' | 10:43 |
| crimsun | that way it doesn't remove some of the gnome-specific things | 10:43 |
| cbx33 | ok it didn;'t say it had removed any pacakges | 10:51 |
| cbx33 | which is good i suppose | 10:51 |
| cbx33 | brb | 10:51 |
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| ulinskie | http://thinkature.com | 01:13 |
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| stgraber | hi | 01:56 |
| ulinskie | hello there | 01:58 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 03:29 |
| stelis | Hi | 03:30 |
| stelis | It's a bit empty and echoey in here today | 03:30 |
| bddebian | Aye, apparently :-) | 03:31 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 03:32 |
| stelis | I guess that the weather's nice in California | 03:32 |
| jsgotangco | it'll get chatty next week | 03:32 |
| jsgotangco | its still pretty early on their side | 03:33 |
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| highvoltage | j to the s to go to the tangco | 04:46 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 04:47 |
| jsgotangco | this is the UDS that i have no idea what has been happenning | 04:47 |
| jsgotangco | it seems to be very very productive but i feel isolated lately | 04:47 |
| juliux | hi all | 04:52 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 04:52 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: are you busy? | 04:53 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: hectically so | 04:53 |
| juliux | there is a guy in germany who think about to write is master about edubuntu and education software under linux;) | 04:53 |
| jsgotangco | oh ok, i was thinking of calling you up | 04:53 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: we're releasing our first public release of tuxlab next week | 04:53 |
| jsgotangco | gimme your number let's talk this weekend | 04:54 |
| highvoltage | 078 108 2588 | 04:54 |
| highvoltage | ugh, sorry.. | 04:54 |
| highvoltage | +27 78 108 2588 | 04:54 |
| jsgotangco | there | 04:54 |
| jsgotangco | is this mobile? does it do sms? | 04:55 |
| highvoltage | yes, it does sms | 04:56 |
| jsgotangco | alright i'll just sms you first and ask if you're free and then i'll call | 04:56 |
| highvoltage | ok, great. I should be free for call most of the weekend, although I want to get to the gym for a change, so that would be the only time i won't be taking calls | 04:57 |
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| jsgotangco | oh it'll com | 04:58 |
| jsgotangco | muhahah | 04:59 |
| willvdl | jsgotangco is obviously not familiar with the SA postal service :) | 04:59 |
| SimonAnibal | http://www.tangent.com/news/hecc2006/ <- A conference I'm going to...Wow... | 05:02 |
| jsgotangco | hecc that's nice ;) | 05:06 |
| jsgotangco | im gonna sleep | 05:08 |
| jsgotangco | ciao | 05:08 |
| highvoltage | willvdl: tangent.com? :) | 05:16 |
| willvdl | not me ;) | 05:16 |
| highvoltage | willvdl: that's quite strange eh? | 05:16 |
| highvoltage | aaah I see | 05:16 |
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| SimonAnibal | HECC | 05:29 |
| SimonAnibal | is Hoosier Educational Computing Conference or something | 05:29 |
| SimonAnibal | it's a conference for Technology People in Education here in Indiana | 05:29 |
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| willvdl | Can anyone think up a nice blurb/phrase for an Edubuntu poster? | 06:02 |
| SimonAnibal | Educational Computing for Human Beings | 06:03 |
| SimonAnibal | *shrug* | 06:03 |
| stelis | willvdl: Is there a target audience? | 06:03 |
| stelis | e.g. Primary ed, secondary ed, teachers? | 06:04 |
| willvdl | going into a high school, but should be a generic audience | 06:04 |
| willvdl | the linux for human beings line is good but needs an edubuntu tinge to it | 06:04 |
| stelis | I admit that that the "Linux" part of slogan bothers me slightly...linux is a technical detail | 06:06 |
| willvdl | yeah but the psoter is advertising edubuntu which is an Ubuntu variant | 06:07 |
| nixternal | willvdl: you know those "don't be a fool, stay in school", well how about "don't be a fool, get edubuntu", it is corny, silly, half way e.tarded, but it does rhyme just a little bit ;) | 06:08 |
| willvdl | don't be a noonoo, get edubuntu | 06:08 |
| nixternal | whatever a noonoo is, im almost affraid to ask | 06:09 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:09 |
| willvdl | the blurbs we have on "about edubuntu" are too long-winded for a poster | 06:09 |
| nixternal | Edubuntu: Freely control your education | 06:10 |
| stelis | "All that you need" | 06:10 |
| stelis | I like the fact that it gives you basically everything straight out of the box | 06:10 |
| nixternal | what is the hot show for highschoolers these days? | 06:10 |
| nixternal | what makes them little jerks go "oooh" and "aaaah" besides their inflamed hormones? | 06:11 |
| nixternal | haha | 06:11 |
| SimonAnibal | Beryl or Compiz | 06:11 |
| nixternal | hahahaha | 06:11 |
| stelis | "Pretty is a Feature" | 06:11 |
| nixternal | SimonAnibal: i hate to admit, but i am seeing that with my loco | 06:11 |
| SimonAnibal | You could have the poster be a 3-d cube of the Edubuntu desktop running various apps | 06:11 |
| nixternal | that would be cool | 06:12 |
| stelis | I thought it was overated until I actually saw it | 06:12 |
| SimonAnibal | nodnod, it is pretty impressive | 06:12 |
| nixternal | it is over rated once you use it | 06:12 |
| willvdl | The poster layout is already designed etc. by canonical. | 06:12 |
| willvdl | based on the cd covers | 06:12 |
| SimonAnibal | yeah, but the discovery of it is exciting | 06:12 |
| willvdl | I just have to add current screenshots, some blurbs under the screenshots | 06:12 |
| SimonAnibal | after using it for a while you go "hum dee dum", but the first few times it's like "Whoah! That's fun!" | 06:13 |
| willvdl | and some kind of eye-catching master phrase by the logo which has me stumped :/ | 06:13 |
| stelis | I guess the important is that Edubuntu just works, without having to worry about the system falling over, or getting viruses | 06:13 |
| willvdl | "just use it" | 06:13 |
| stelis | Yeah :) | 06:13 |
| highvoltage | eish. who knew that lots of hard work can make you this tired? :) | 06:14 |
| stelis | Nike wouldn't like it, something along those lines sounds right to me | 06:14 |
| stelis | (Though) | 06:14 |
| SimonAnibal | highvoltage: Some mysteries are never to be grokked | 06:14 |
| highvoltage | :) | 06:15 |
| SimonAnibal | "Freedom in Educational Computing, that works" | 06:15 |
| willvdl | stelis, agreed but I'd like to add an "Education" tinge to it somehow | 06:15 |
| stelis | Learn the New Way | 06:16 |
| SimonAnibal | New sounds Unstable | 06:16 |
| willvdl | this is Limpopo...there is no Old Way :) | 06:16 |
| stelis | hahaha | 06:16 |
| stelis | I was thinking of rows of Win98 desktops | 06:17 |
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| LaserJock | What about something along the lines of "Edubuntu: Free your education" | 06:17 |
| SimonAnibal | Oooo | 06:18 |
| SimonAnibal | I like | 06:18 |
| willvdl | Okie, "free" or "freedom" is definatel something to include. | 06:18 |
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| stelis | Edubuntu: the World is Open | 06:18 |
| SimonAnibal | Open up you Education | 06:18 |
| willvdl | Freedom to learn... | 06:19 |
| willvdl | Freedom in Education | 06:20 |
| SimonAnibal | Connect to a World of Free & Open Education | 06:20 |
| stelis | Learn without Limits | 06:20 |
| SimonAnibal | Oooo, I like Learn without Limits, too | 06:20 |
| stelis | Thinking about it, I like the word "Learn" more than "Teach", or "Education" | 06:21 |
| willvdl | The problem is that not all the content/curriculum is provided for free | 06:21 |
| willvdl | but the platform is | 06:21 |
| willvdl | moot point | 06:21 |
| SimonAnibal | Well, but the simple act of accepting Edubuntu brings them to a world where there IS free and open content | 06:22 |
| SimonAnibal | As opposed to where they are right now | 06:22 |
| SimonAnibal | most of them | 06:22 |
| SimonAnibal | It's opening a possibility | 06:22 |
| SimonAnibal | It's showing a "Better Way"(tm) | 06:22 |
| stelis | I guess I was thinking about the freedom to access the Internet, without fear. | 06:22 |
| SimonAnibal | :) Is that cheesy | 06:22 |
| SimonAnibal | ? | 06:22 |
| willvdl | stelis, agree with "learn" rather than "education" | 06:23 |
| willvdl | stelis, connectivity is a seperate issue | 06:23 |
| stelis | I suppose so | 06:23 |
| willvdl | where these posters are going, there is little BW | 06:24 |
| willvdl | okay, "freedom", "learn"... what else can we throw in the mix? | 06:24 |
| SimonAnibal | BW? | 06:24 |
| SimonAnibal | bandwidth? | 06:24 |
| willvdl | bandwidth | 06:24 |
| stelis | OK. I guess it would be interesting to know what they hope to gain from using computers | 06:24 |
| SimonAnibal | nodnod | 06:25 |
| SimonAnibal | "Free Your Mind, Neo" | 06:25 |
| willvdl | exposure to ICT | 06:25 |
| SimonAnibal | "And You Will Free Your Learning" | 06:25 |
| willvdl | ICT enhanced educational delivery | 06:25 |
| willvdl | where there previously was none | 06:25 |
| highvoltage | SimonAnibal: that last one is interesting :) | 06:25 |
| stelis | So being "modern" is important here? | 06:26 |
| willvdl | brb | 06:26 |
| willvdl | stelis, not too sure really | 06:26 |
| willvdl | want to keep it "generic" if that helps? | 06:26 |
| SimonAnibal | "Free your Learning"? Simple, sweet & memorable | 06:27 |
| stelis | I'm genuinely unsure what the killer app for a computer without connectivity is, if you see what I mean | 06:27 |
| willvdl | limited connectivity | 06:27 |
| SimonAnibal | That totally depends on the goals of the community | 06:27 |
| stelis | Open the Door | 06:27 |
| willvdl | where we pop loads of offline media onto it | 06:27 |
| highvoltage | stelis: in areas where there is close to no computing at all, even something as simple as a simple word processor is a killer app | 06:28 |
| SimonAnibal | Edubuntu is a base platform upon which to build functionality, it's a means not an end | 06:28 |
| willvdl | stelis, the killer app is learning to use the thing | 06:28 |
| highvoltage | edubuntu is a great base to build on though | 06:28 |
| willvdl | agree with highvoltage | 06:28 |
| SimonAnibal | DEFINATELY | 06:28 |
| willvdl | we digress :) | 06:28 |
| highvoltage | yeah, I agree with willvdl too :) | 06:28 |
| SimonAnibal | I wouldn't be here otherwise | 06:28 |
| SimonAnibal | errrrr definItely | 06:29 |
| SimonAnibal | I always do that... | 06:29 |
| SimonAnibal | Which is strange considering I come from Spanish | 06:29 |
| SimonAnibal | and it would be definitivamente | 06:29 |
| SimonAnibal | so I can't blame that | 06:29 |
| willvdl | sorry, don't mean to drag the context of the poster into it. Just looking for a nice generic blurb | 06:29 |
| willvdl | the "free your learning" is interesting but sounds funny :) | 06:30 |
| SimonAnibal | "Freedom to Learn" | 06:30 |
| SimonAnibal | Which is a freedom that proprietary software denies | 06:30 |
| stelis | "Start Here. Learn to Go Anywhere" | 06:30 |
| stelis | Doesn't sound quite right | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | "Freedom to Learn, Freedom to Explore" | 06:31 |
| SimonAnibal | "What do you want to Learn today?" :-P | 06:31 |
| SimonAnibal | I am unilaterally not endorsing what I just said, btw | 06:31 |
| stelis | "A computer on every desktop" :) | 06:31 |
| stelis | *cough* | 06:31 |
| SimonAnibal | That's our goal here, with Indiana ACCESS | 06:32 |
| willvdl | highvoltage, do you think "Freedom to LEarn" might be too _political_ for Limpopo? | 06:33 |
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| willvdl | I gotto run. Thanks folks, I think this is something we can thrash out again in future | 06:35 |
| willvdl | Fortunately, this is only for 6 posters | 06:35 |
| stelis | willvdl: If you drop a mail on the list then people could chew on it for a bit | 06:37 |
| willvdl | definately | 06:37 |
| stelis | (If time permits) | 06:37 |
| willvdl | but I'll go with a "freedom to learn" idea or "opening education" | 06:37 |
| stelis | Opening education sounds very close to it | 06:38 |
| willvdl | seem to be the most popular ideas suggested | 06:38 |
| willvdl | Thanks a million people. I'm very late :) chat later. | 06:39 |
| SimonAnibal | willvdl: l8r | 06:39 |
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| Loculi | Hi, I was wondering if there was someone here I could bounce a couple of questions off re: contributing content to EduBuntu | 09:08 |
| SimonAnibal | What do you mean by content? | 09:09 |
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| Loculi | well, educational application(s) or something perhaps like a Flash framegame | 09:10 |
| SimonAnibal | :) Well, to be included directly with Edubuntu it would need to be in a format that could be run out of the box, I'd guess | 09:11 |
| Loculi | I work for a company that creates educational software, and was interested in seeing how we might be able to release something under open source to contribute to EduBuntu | 09:11 |
| happy-and-lost | What type of install does the EduEdgy CD provide? | 09:11 |
| SimonAnibal | a free format, or something that works with the default edubuntu settings | 09:11 |
| SimonAnibal | But don't quote me, I'm just stating what I assume | 09:11 |
| Loculi | I see, yeah the bulk of our applications are flash based | 09:11 |
| SimonAnibal | You'd still be useful to the education community, I'm sure, but reading flash requires non-free stuff right now | 09:12 |
| Loculi | I think I'll jump onto one of the mailing lists, see what I can discover :) | 09:12 |
| SimonAnibal | Maybe if Gnash can play them... | 09:12 |
| Loculi | yeah, was just thinking about how Adobe is finally beginning to open it up | 09:12 |
| SimonAnibal | You should look up the Gnash project and see how far along they are compared to your content | 09:13 |
| Loculi | not sure if it's premature though to start thinking along these lines but thought I'd check nonetheless | 09:13 |
| SimonAnibal | Last I heard they could do most everything besides the movie content | 09:13 |
| SimonAnibal | But my advice is to try it out and see for yourself | 09:13 |
| Loculi | cool thanks for the tip | 09:13 |
| ogra | happy-and-lost, could you rephrase the question ? | 09:14 |
| SimonAnibal | :) We appreciate your enthusiasm to help out, though | 09:14 |
| SimonAnibal | er, not though, we just do | 09:14 |
| Loculi | basically I was just trying to come up w/ some ideas on how our company might be able to contribute, we've got so many apps :P | 09:14 |
| Loculi | thanks again | 09:14 |
| SimonAnibal | Might I suggest running that by RichEd | 09:14 |
| happy-and-lost | Is the EduEdgy CD text or graphical install? | 09:15 |
| SimonAnibal | you can probably private message him about it, I think he might be interested in what you're proposing | 09:15 |
| SimonAnibal | I believe all Edgy CDs besides the Alternative CDs are Live CD installs. I could be wrong. | 09:15 |
| Loculi | nice thanks, now to see how GAIM handles private tells ;) | 09:15 |
| ogra | happy-and-lost, the one we ship is the text install ... but you can download the liveCD that has a geaphical install (but only installs a workstation setup) | 09:15 |
| SimonAnibal | try "/msg Nickname Message" | 09:15 |
| SimonAnibal | :) ogra is the man to trust on this | 09:16 |
| happy-and-lost | So when it says that Edu live doesn't contain server elements... will it still be able to browse and access Windows shares via samba? | 09:17 |
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| stgraber | happy-and-lost: the Edgy live cd can't install an Edubuntu LTSP server | 09:20 |
| stgraber | happy-and-lost: but it installs a classical edubuntu workstation | 09:20 |
| stgraber | with everything | 09:20 |
| happy-and-lost | Thanks, that's what I'm after | 09:20 |
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| pips1 | edubuntugirl: tell RichEd I sent you a mail with notes on building a community website | 10:44 |
| edubuntugirl | Righto, pips1! | 10:44 |
| pips1 | thanks and bye bye | 10:44 |
| pips1 | :) | 10:44 |
| RichEd | edubuntugirl | 10:45 |
| edubuntugirl | RichEd: by the way, pips1 told me to tell you 'I sent you a mail with notes on building a community website' 53 seconds ago (on Fri Nov 10 23:43:30 2006) | 10:45 |
| RichEd | cool | 10:45 |
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| stgraber | Anyone around knows a little about packaging ? | 11:03 |
| stgraber | I followed the packaging guide but I have a small problem when finally generating the .deb | 11:04 |
| stgraber | dpkg-deb: building package `pastebinit' in `../pastebinit_0.0.1-1_all.deb'. | 11:04 |
| stgraber | tar: -: file name read contains nul character dpkg-genchanges | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: did it error out? | 11:12 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure that that would be a problem | 11:13 |
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| stgraber | no deb are generated ... | 11:13 |
| LaserJock | do you know that? | 11:13 |
| LaserJock | how are you building them? pbuilder? | 11:13 |
| stgraber | yes | 11:14 |
| stgraber | oo, I have found them (or I think at least ...) | 11:14 |
| LaserJock | so you looked in /var/cache/pbuilder/result/ | 11:14 |
| stgraber | nope, and that was the problem :) I just did a *.deb search on my home directory not on the whole system :) | 11:15 |
| stgraber | btw, it should be precised in the packaging guide | 11:15 |
| stgraber | (or I didn't read it correctly) | 11:15 |
| LaserJock | I thought I clarified that :/ | 11:16 |
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| LaserJock | stgraber: where are you reading the packaging guide from? | 11:16 |
| stgraber | the one installed with Edgy | 11:17 |
| LaserJock | yeah, there is this, "The resulting .debs and source packages can be found in /var/cache/pbuilder/result/ (which can be changed with the --buildresult flag)." | 11:17 |
| LaserJock | maybe I should put it in a warning box :-) | 11:18 |
| LaserJock | you certainly aren't the first person to run across that | 11:18 |
| === stgraber still didn't find on which page this indication is :) | ||
| LaserJock | https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/gs-pbuilder.html | 11:20 |
| LaserJock | in the Using pbuilder section | 11:21 |
| stgraber | ok, maybe writing it once again in the "Packaging with Debhelper" could be useful | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | hmm, good point | 11:23 |
| LaserJock | they are a bit far removed | 11:23 |
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| Nix | hello! :) | 11:24 |
| stgraber | hi | 11:25 |
| Nix | I'm searching of software of the crosswords that run web | 11:25 |
| Nix | stgraber, hi! :) | 11:25 |
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| Nix | I have a maker crosswords, but this program show error... so, I'm finding a new solution... | 11:27 |
| Nix | sorry... my English isn't very good :( | 11:28 |
| stgraber | Are you looking for a crossword generator that generates a webbased crossword, or a webbased crossword generator ? | 11:31 |
| Nix | stgraber, I looking a crossword generator a webbased :) | 11:32 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: oh, and I forgot thank you :) | 11:32 |
| LaserJock | np | 11:32 |
| Nix | stgraber, I found a software, in this site http://www.tesol.net/scripts/ | 11:35 |
| Nix | but the program does not function correctly | 11:36 |
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| pygi | hey HedgeMage | 11:49 |
| Nix | stgraber, thank you... I need to leave now | 11:49 |
| Nix | kisses and hughes for all :* | 11:49 |
| HedgeMage | hi pygi | 11:52 |
| RichEd | hey pgyi and HedgeMage :) | 12:10 |
| HedgeMage | hi RichEd :) | 12:15 |
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