[10:28] <cbx33> how do i install xfce
[10:28] <cbx33> can i just install xubuntu-desktop
[10:28] <cbx33> so I can boot gdm into either gnome or xfce?
[10:40] <willvdl> cbx33, think so
[10:43] <crimsun> depends how much of xubuntu-desktop you want.
[10:43] <crimsun> I normally use just 'xfce4'
[10:43] <crimsun> that way it doesn't remove some of the gnome-specific things
[10:51] <cbx33> ok it didn;'t say it had removed any pacakges
[10:51] <cbx33> which is good i suppose
[10:51] <cbx33> brb
[01:13] <ulinskie> http://thinkature.com
[01:56] <stgraber> hi
[01:58] <ulinskie> hello there
[03:29] <bddebian> Heya
[03:30] <stelis> Hi
[03:30] <stelis> It's a bit empty and echoey in here today
[03:31] <bddebian> Aye, apparently :-)
[03:32] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:32] <stelis> I guess that the weather's nice in California
[03:32] <jsgotangco> it'll get chatty next week
[03:33] <jsgotangco> its still pretty early on their side
[04:46] <highvoltage> j to the s to go to the tangco
[04:47] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:47] <jsgotangco> this is the UDS that i have no idea what has been happenning
[04:47] <jsgotangco> it seems to be very very productive but i feel isolated lately
[04:52] <juliux> hi all
[04:52] <jsgotangco> hey
[04:53] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: are you busy?
[04:53] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: hectically so
[04:53] <juliux> there is a guy in germany who think about to write is master about edubuntu and education software under linux;)
[04:53] <jsgotangco> oh ok, i was thinking of calling you up
[04:53] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: we're releasing our first public release of tuxlab next week
[04:54] <jsgotangco> gimme your number let's talk this weekend
[04:54] <highvoltage> 078 108 2588
[04:54] <highvoltage> ugh, sorry..
[04:54] <highvoltage> +27 78 108 2588
[04:54] <jsgotangco> there
[04:55] <jsgotangco> is this mobile? does it do sms?
[04:56] <highvoltage> yes, it does sms
[04:56] <jsgotangco> alright i'll just sms you first and ask if you're free and then i'll call
[04:57] <highvoltage> ok, great. I should be free for call most of the weekend, although I want to get to the gym for a change, so that would be the only time i won't be taking calls
[04:58] <jsgotangco> oh it'll com
[04:59] <jsgotangco> muhahah
[04:59] <willvdl> jsgotangco is obviously not familiar with the SA postal service :)
[05:02] <SimonAnibal> http://www.tangent.com/news/hecc2006/ <- A conference I'm going to...Wow...
[05:06] <jsgotangco> hecc that's nice ;)
[05:08] <jsgotangco> im gonna sleep
[05:08] <jsgotangco> ciao
[05:16] <highvoltage> willvdl: tangent.com? :)
[05:16] <willvdl> not me ;)
[05:16] <highvoltage> willvdl: that's quite strange eh?
[05:16] <highvoltage> aaah I see
[05:29] <SimonAnibal> HECC
[05:29] <SimonAnibal> is Hoosier Educational Computing Conference or something
[05:29] <SimonAnibal> it's a conference for Technology People in Education here in Indiana
[06:02] <willvdl> Can anyone think up a nice blurb/phrase for an Edubuntu poster?
[06:03] <SimonAnibal> Educational Computing for Human Beings
[06:03] <SimonAnibal> *shrug*
[06:03] <stelis> willvdl: Is there a target audience?
[06:04] <stelis> e.g. Primary ed, secondary ed, teachers?
[06:04] <willvdl> going into a high school, but should be a generic audience
[06:04] <willvdl> the linux for human beings line is good but needs an edubuntu tinge to it
[06:06] <stelis> I admit that that the "Linux" part of slogan bothers me slightly...linux is a technical detail
[06:07] <willvdl> yeah but the psoter is advertising edubuntu which is an Ubuntu variant
[06:08] <nixternal> willvdl: you know those "don't be a fool, stay in school", well how about "don't be a fool, get edubuntu", it is corny, silly, half way e.tarded, but it does rhyme just a little bit ;)
[06:08] <willvdl> don't be a noonoo, get edubuntu
[06:09] <nixternal> whatever a noonoo is, im almost affraid to ask
[06:09] <nixternal> hehe
[06:09] <willvdl> the blurbs we have on "about edubuntu" are too long-winded for a poster
[06:10] <nixternal> Edubuntu: Freely control your education
[06:10] <stelis> "All that you need"
[06:10] <stelis> I like the fact that it gives you basically everything straight out of the box
[06:10] <nixternal> what is the hot show for highschoolers these days?
[06:11] <nixternal> what makes them little jerks go "oooh" and "aaaah" besides their inflamed hormones?
[06:11] <nixternal> haha
[06:11] <SimonAnibal> Beryl or Compiz
[06:11] <nixternal> hahahaha
[06:11] <stelis> "Pretty is a Feature"
[06:11] <nixternal> SimonAnibal: i hate to admit, but i am seeing that with my loco
[06:11] <SimonAnibal> You could have the poster be a 3-d cube of the Edubuntu desktop running various apps
[06:12] <nixternal> that would be cool
[06:12] <stelis> I thought it was overated until I actually saw it
[06:12] <SimonAnibal> nodnod, it is pretty impressive
[06:12] <nixternal> it is over rated once you use it
[06:12] <willvdl> The poster layout is already designed etc. by canonical.
[06:12] <willvdl> based on the cd covers
[06:12] <SimonAnibal> yeah, but the discovery of it is exciting
[06:12] <willvdl> I just have to add current screenshots, some blurbs under the screenshots
[06:13] <SimonAnibal> after using it for a while you go "hum dee dum", but the first few times it's like "Whoah! That's fun!"
[06:13] <willvdl> and some kind of eye-catching master phrase by the logo which has me stumped :/
[06:13] <stelis> I guess the important is that Edubuntu just works, without having to worry about the system falling over, or getting viruses
[06:13] <willvdl> "just use it"
[06:13] <stelis> Yeah :)
[06:14] <highvoltage> eish. who knew that lots of hard work can make you this tired? :)
[06:14] <stelis> Nike wouldn't like it, something along those lines sounds right to me
[06:14] <stelis> (Though)
[06:14] <SimonAnibal> highvoltage: Some mysteries are never to be grokked
[06:15] <highvoltage> :)
[06:15] <SimonAnibal> "Freedom in Educational Computing, that works"
[06:15] <willvdl> stelis, agreed but I'd like to add an "Education" tinge to it somehow
[06:16] <stelis> Learn the New Way
[06:16] <SimonAnibal> New sounds Unstable
[06:16] <willvdl> this is Limpopo...there is no Old Way :)
[06:16] <stelis> hahaha
[06:17] <stelis> I was thinking of rows of Win98 desktops
[06:17] <LaserJock> What about something along the lines of "Edubuntu: Free your education"
[06:18] <SimonAnibal> Oooo
[06:18] <SimonAnibal> I like
[06:18] <willvdl> Okie, "free" or "freedom" is definatel something to include.
[06:18] <stelis> Edubuntu: the World is Open
[06:18] <SimonAnibal> Open up you Education
[06:19] <willvdl> Freedom to learn...
[06:20] <willvdl> Freedom in Education
[06:20] <SimonAnibal> Connect to a World of Free & Open Education
[06:20] <stelis> Learn without Limits
[06:20] <SimonAnibal> Oooo, I like Learn without Limits, too
[06:21] <stelis> Thinking about it, I like the word "Learn" more than "Teach", or "Education"
[06:21] <willvdl> The problem is that not all the content/curriculum is provided for free
[06:21] <willvdl> but the platform is
[06:21] <willvdl> moot point
[06:22] <SimonAnibal> Well, but the simple act of accepting Edubuntu brings them to a world where there IS free and open content
[06:22] <SimonAnibal> As opposed to where they are right now
[06:22] <SimonAnibal> most of them
[06:22] <SimonAnibal> It's opening a possibility
[06:22] <SimonAnibal> It's showing a "Better Way"(tm)
[06:22] <stelis> I guess I was thinking about the freedom to access the Internet, without fear.
[06:22] <SimonAnibal> :) Is that cheesy
[06:22] <SimonAnibal> ?
[06:23] <willvdl> stelis, agree with "learn" rather than "education"
[06:23] <willvdl> stelis, connectivity is a seperate issue
[06:23] <stelis> I suppose so
[06:24] <willvdl> where these posters are going, there is little BW
[06:24] <willvdl> okay, "freedom", "learn"... what else can we throw in the mix?
[06:24] <SimonAnibal> BW?
[06:24] <SimonAnibal> bandwidth?
[06:24] <willvdl> bandwidth
[06:24] <stelis> OK. I guess it would be interesting to know what they hope to gain from using computers
[06:25] <SimonAnibal> nodnod
[06:25] <SimonAnibal> "Free Your Mind, Neo"
[06:25] <willvdl> exposure to ICT
[06:25] <SimonAnibal> "And You Will Free Your Learning"
[06:25] <willvdl> ICT enhanced educational delivery
[06:25] <willvdl> where there previously was none
[06:25] <highvoltage> SimonAnibal: that last one is interesting :)
[06:26] <stelis> So being "modern" is important here?
[06:26] <willvdl> brb
[06:26] <willvdl> stelis, not too sure really
[06:26] <willvdl> want to keep it "generic" if that helps?
[06:27] <SimonAnibal> "Free your Learning"? Simple, sweet & memorable
[06:27] <stelis> I'm genuinely unsure what the killer app for a computer without connectivity is, if you see what I mean
[06:27] <willvdl> limited connectivity
[06:27] <SimonAnibal> That totally depends on the goals of the community
[06:27] <stelis> Open the Door
[06:27] <willvdl> where we pop loads of offline media onto it
[06:28] <highvoltage> stelis: in areas where there is close to no computing at all, even something as simple as a simple word processor is a killer app
[06:28] <SimonAnibal> Edubuntu is a base platform upon which to build functionality, it's a means not an end
[06:28] <willvdl> stelis, the killer app is learning to use the thing
[06:28] <highvoltage> edubuntu is a great base to build on though
[06:28] <willvdl> agree with highvoltage
[06:28] <SimonAnibal> DEFINATELY
[06:28] <willvdl> we digress :)
[06:28] <highvoltage> yeah, I agree with willvdl too :)
[06:28] <SimonAnibal> I wouldn't be here otherwise
[06:29] <SimonAnibal> errrrr definItely
[06:29] <SimonAnibal> I always do that...
[06:29] <SimonAnibal> Which is strange considering I come from Spanish
[06:29] <SimonAnibal> and it would be definitivamente
[06:29] <SimonAnibal> so I can't blame that
[06:29] <willvdl> sorry, don't mean to drag the context of the poster into it. Just looking for a nice generic blurb
[06:30] <willvdl> the "free your learning" is interesting but sounds funny :)
[06:30] <SimonAnibal> "Freedom to Learn"
[06:30] <SimonAnibal> Which is a freedom that proprietary software denies
[06:30] <stelis> "Start Here. Learn to Go Anywhere"
[06:30] <stelis> Doesn't sound quite right
[06:31] <LaserJock> "Freedom to Learn, Freedom to Explore"
[06:31] <SimonAnibal> "What do you want to Learn today?" :-P
[06:31] <SimonAnibal> I am unilaterally not endorsing what I just said, btw
[06:31] <stelis> "A computer on every desktop" :)
[06:31] <stelis> *cough*
[06:32] <SimonAnibal> That's our goal here, with Indiana ACCESS
[06:33] <willvdl> highvoltage, do you think "Freedom to LEarn" might be too _political_ for Limpopo?
[06:35] <willvdl> I gotto run. Thanks folks, I think this is something we can thrash out again in future
[06:35] <willvdl> Fortunately, this is only for 6 posters
[06:37] <stelis> willvdl: If you drop a mail on the list then people could chew on it for a bit
[06:37] <willvdl> definately
[06:37] <stelis> (If time permits)
[06:37] <willvdl> but I'll go with a "freedom to learn" idea or "opening education" 
[06:38] <stelis> Opening education sounds very close to it
[06:38] <willvdl> seem to be the most popular ideas suggested
[06:39] <willvdl> Thanks a million people. I'm very late :) chat later.
[06:39] <SimonAnibal> willvdl: l8r
[09:08] <Loculi> Hi, I was wondering if there was someone here I could bounce a couple of questions off re: contributing content to EduBuntu
[09:09] <SimonAnibal> What do you mean by content?
[09:10] <Loculi> well, educational application(s) or something perhaps like a Flash framegame
[09:11] <SimonAnibal> :) Well, to be included directly with Edubuntu it would need to be in a format that could be run out of the box, I'd guess
[09:11] <Loculi> I work for a company that creates educational software, and was interested in seeing how we might be able to release something under open source to contribute to EduBuntu
[09:11] <happy-and-lost> What type of install does the EduEdgy CD provide?
[09:11] <SimonAnibal> a free format, or something that works with the default edubuntu settings
[09:11] <SimonAnibal> But don't quote me, I'm just stating what I assume
[09:11] <Loculi> I see, yeah the bulk of our applications are flash based
[09:12] <SimonAnibal> You'd still be useful to the education community, I'm sure, but reading flash requires non-free stuff right now
[09:12] <Loculi> I think I'll jump onto one of the mailing lists, see what I can discover :)
[09:12] <SimonAnibal> Maybe if Gnash can play them...
[09:12] <Loculi> yeah, was just thinking about how Adobe is finally beginning to open it up
[09:13] <SimonAnibal> You should look up the Gnash project and see how far along they are compared to your content
[09:13] <Loculi> not sure if it's premature though to start thinking along these lines but thought I'd check nonetheless
[09:13] <SimonAnibal> Last I heard they could do most everything besides the movie content
[09:13] <SimonAnibal> But my advice is to try it out and see for yourself
[09:13] <Loculi> cool thanks for the tip
[09:14] <ogra> happy-and-lost, could you rephrase the question ?
[09:14] <SimonAnibal> :) We appreciate your enthusiasm to help out, though
[09:14] <SimonAnibal> er, not though, we just do
[09:14] <Loculi> basically I was just trying to come up w/ some ideas on how our company might be able to contribute, we've got so many apps :P
[09:14] <Loculi> thanks again
[09:14] <SimonAnibal> Might I suggest running that by RichEd
[09:15] <happy-and-lost> Is the EduEdgy CD text or graphical install?
[09:15] <SimonAnibal> you can probably private message him about it, I think he might be interested in what you're proposing
[09:15] <SimonAnibal> I believe all Edgy CDs besides the Alternative CDs are Live CD installs. I could be wrong.
[09:15] <Loculi> nice thanks, now to see how GAIM handles private tells ;)
[09:15] <ogra> happy-and-lost, the one we ship is the text install ... but you can download the liveCD that has a geaphical install (but only installs a workstation setup)
[09:15] <SimonAnibal> try "/msg Nickname Message"
[09:16] <SimonAnibal> :) ogra is the man to trust on this
[09:17] <happy-and-lost> So when it says that Edu live doesn't contain server elements... will it still be able to browse and access Windows shares via samba?
[09:20] <stgraber> happy-and-lost: the Edgy live cd can't install an Edubuntu LTSP server
[09:20] <stgraber> happy-and-lost: but it installs a classical edubuntu workstation
[09:20] <stgraber> with everything
[09:20] <happy-and-lost> Thanks, that's what I'm after
[10:44] <pips1> edubuntugirl: tell RichEd I sent you a mail with notes on building a community website
[10:44] <edubuntugirl> Righto, pips1!
[10:44] <pips1> thanks and bye bye
[10:44] <pips1> :)
[10:45] <RichEd> edubuntugirl
[10:45] <edubuntugirl> RichEd: by the way, pips1 told me to tell you 'I sent you a mail with notes on building a community website' 53 seconds ago (on Fri Nov 10 23:43:30 2006)
[10:45] <RichEd> cool
[11:03] <stgraber> Anyone around knows a little about packaging ?
[11:04] <stgraber> I followed the packaging guide but I have a small problem when finally generating the .deb
[11:04] <stgraber> dpkg-deb: building package `pastebinit' in `../pastebinit_0.0.1-1_all.deb'.
[11:04] <stgraber> tar: -: file name read contains nul character dpkg-genchanges
[11:12] <LaserJock> stgraber: did it error out?
[11:13] <LaserJock> I'm not sure that that would be a problem
[11:13] <stgraber> no deb are generated ...
[11:13] <LaserJock> do you know that?
[11:13] <LaserJock> how are you building them? pbuilder?
[11:14] <stgraber> yes
[11:14] <stgraber> oo, I have found them (or I think at least ...)
[11:14] <LaserJock> so you looked in /var/cache/pbuilder/result/
[11:15] <stgraber> nope, and that was the problem :) I just did a *.deb search on my home directory not on the whole system :)
[11:15] <stgraber> btw, it should be precised in the packaging guide
[11:15] <stgraber> (or I didn't read it correctly)
[11:16] <LaserJock> I thought I clarified that :/
[11:16] <LaserJock> stgraber: where are you reading the packaging guide from?
[11:17] <stgraber> the one installed with Edgy
[11:17] <LaserJock> yeah, there is this, "The resulting .debs and source packages can be found in /var/cache/pbuilder/result/ (which can be changed with the --buildresult flag)."
[11:18] <LaserJock> maybe I should put it in a warning box :-)
[11:18] <LaserJock> you certainly aren't the first person to run across that
[11:20] <LaserJock> https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/gs-pbuilder.html
[11:21] <LaserJock> in the Using pbuilder section
[11:22] <stgraber> ok, maybe writing it once again in the "Packaging with Debhelper" could be useful
[11:23] <LaserJock> hmm, good point
[11:23] <LaserJock> they are a bit far removed
[11:24] <Nix> hello! :)
[11:25] <stgraber> hi
[11:25] <Nix> I'm searching of software of the crosswords that run web
[11:25] <Nix> stgraber, hi! :)
[11:27] <Nix> I have a maker crosswords, but this program show error... so, I'm finding a new solution...
[11:28] <Nix> sorry... my English isn't very good :(
[11:31] <stgraber> Are you looking for a crossword generator that generates a webbased crossword, or a webbased crossword generator ?
[11:32] <Nix> stgraber, I looking a crossword generator a webbased :)
[11:32] <stgraber> LaserJock: oh, and I forgot thank you :)
[11:32] <LaserJock> np
[11:35] <Nix> stgraber, I found a software, in this site http://www.tesol.net/scripts/
[11:36] <Nix> but the program does not function correctly
[11:49] <pygi> hey HedgeMage 
[11:49] <Nix> stgraber, thank you... I need to leave now
[11:49] <Nix> kisses and hughes for all :*
[11:52] <HedgeMage> hi pygi 
[12:10] <RichEd> hey pgyi and HedgeMage :)
[12:15] <HedgeMage> hi RichEd :)