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| allee | Lure, Riddell, sebas: if the feisty laptop bof canceled? Nobody is in room 209 | 12:18 |
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| Lure | allee: sorry, we have press here interested for kubuntu and laptop stuff will move | 12:36 |
| Lure | allee: we will setup voip in another room and get started in 5-10 minutes | 12:37 |
| Lure | allee: I will ping you when we are ready... | 12:37 |
| Lure | alleeHol: ^^^ | 12:37 |
| allee | Thx! | 12:37 |
| Lure | allee: call 5008 (room 250) | 12:40 |
| alleeHol | k | 12:40 |
| Lure | tell us if you hear us.... | 12:41 |
| alleeHol | I hear something but it stop for a sec, works for a sec | 12:42 |
| Lure | alleeHol: can you turn the mic off - we get strange echo | 12:42 |
| alleeHol | muted | 12:42 |
| alleeHol | yes | 12:42 |
| alleeHol | fine | 12:42 |
| alleeHol | turned off | 12:44 |
| alleeHol | yes, no drop | 12:44 |
| alleeHol | but I hear you tipping | 12:44 |
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| alleeHol | Tonio_: is case there a laptop next to the micro. Move it a bit away. If there none, forget it | 12:50 |
| Tonio_ | alleeHol: thereis none afaics | 12:52 |
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| Jucato | has anyone updated to nvidia-glx and run into problems? | 01:30 |
| Jucato | if nvidia-glx was updated, should nvidia-kernel-common be updated as well? or is it enough to update linux-restricted-modules? | 01:32 |
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| Hawkwind | Jucato: Pong | 01:42 |
| Hawkwind | Ermmm...wrong channel actually :P | 01:42 |
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| sebas | alleeHol: Eeh, well, there suddenly was a presentation and we all left | 02:48 |
| sebas | Sorry! :/ | 02:48 |
| alleeHol | nite | 02:50 |
| Tonio_ | oh la la | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | haw haw he haw | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | je mange des frogs legs | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | raw | 02:56 |
| Jucato | O_o | 02:56 |
| === sebas confirms that. | ||
| sebas | Not that Tonio_ himself wrote it, but still. | 02:57 |
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| seele | hmm.. dinner time i guess? | 03:23 |
| === Jucato wonders if they serve chocolates for dessert :) | ||
| seele | google had awesome food | 03:26 |
| seele | i had these really soft chocolate cookies with some kind of filling.. mmm | 03:26 |
| Jucato | hm.... :) | 03:26 |
| Jucato | didn't Google serve pizzas in Akademy too? or was that Nokia? (I forgot) | 03:26 |
| seele | im not sure, i missed akademy :( | 03:27 |
| Kryczek | gsm pizzas? | 03:27 |
| Kryczek | lol, better yet | 03:27 |
| Jucato | aw.. :( | 03:27 |
| Kryczek | pizzas cooked with cellphone radiation? | 03:28 |
| Jucato | lol | 03:28 |
| Mez | o_O | 03:28 |
| Mez | -> #kubuntu-devel-offtopic | 03:29 |
| Mez | :P | 03:29 |
| Jucato | heh | 03:29 |
| seele | *crickets* | 03:33 |
| Kryczek | yeah well, I had an ontopic question for Tonio_, but he just left :/ | 03:34 |
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| Jucato | oh dang! I had a question for him, too... | 03:35 |
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| Riddell | seele: did you get back ok? | 04:35 |
| seele | Riddell: from class? | 04:38 |
| seele | im not bleeding or broken so i'd say that is a yes | 04:38 |
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| Jucato | a bleeding or broken seele would be a tragedy to KDE... | 04:39 |
| seele | Jucato: i know.. poor ellen would have so much work! | 04:39 |
| Riddell | seele: no, from california, I never asked | 04:39 |
| seele | Riddell: lol.. well it took a while to get home.. | 04:39 |
| seele | after the first delay and the second delay from my flight being cancelled | 04:39 |
| seele | we got on the new plane and were on our way to take off and we had emergency maintenance on the field | 04:40 |
| seele | so i was 3 hours late getting back, i was supposed to arrive at 6 and we touched down at 9 | 04:41 |
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| Lure | . | 04:42 |
| seele | ._. | 04:43 |
| Jucato | O_o | 04:43 |
| seele | >_> | 04:43 |
| seele | <_< | 04:43 |
| Lure | ;-) | 04:44 |
| seele | ^_^ | 04:44 |
| Jucato | ~_^ | 04:44 |
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| seele | >^-^< | 04:44 |
| jdong | it's a face-off | 04:44 |
| Jucato | d-(",)-b | 04:44 |
| === jdong is full of terrible puns | ||
| jdong | imbrandon: ping; please consider bug 70529 for edgy | 04:51 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 70529 in edgy-backports "Two patches from upstream SVN" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70529 | 04:51 |
| jdong | imbrandon: I mean feisty rather! | 04:51 |
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| Lure | Riddell: reminder for edgpy-proposed upload ;-) | 04:53 |
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| crimsun | now that's a king's greeting | 06:07 |
| bddebian | Heya gents | 06:08 |
| nixternal | bah | 06:08 |
| nixternal | boo | 06:08 |
| bddebian | heh | 06:09 |
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| Riddell | quiet the night | 06:32 |
| nixternal | konversation == vulnerable to flooding if you didn't notice | 06:32 |
| Mez | usually is Riddell | 06:32 |
| Mez | nixternal, unlike xchat ? :P | 06:32 |
| Riddell | nixternal: in what way? | 06:33 |
| Mez | nixternal, it'd be nice to have a sendq :D | 06:33 |
| Mez | Riddell, we ust had a botnet flood everyone in #ubuntu with CTCP versions | 06:33 |
| Mez | because of that, the replys booted them offline | 06:33 |
| nixternal | heh, to say the least | 06:33 |
| Mez | because konv replied to each request in a prompt manner | 06:33 |
| Mez | which made them excess flood to the network | 06:34 |
| Mez | Xchat (and i believe irssi) has a "send queue" | 06:34 |
| Mez | where it delays the messages if you type a lot at once to make sure you dont flood the network | 06:34 |
| nixternal | well they flooded me off with ctcp requests | 06:34 |
| nixternal | #ubuntu got attacked by a bot | 06:35 |
| bddebian | Bah, gnight gents | 06:35 |
| === Jucato tries to get Sho_'s attention... | ||
| Jucato | g'night bddebian! | 06:35 |
| Mez | nixternal, you didnt reply | 06:35 |
| nixternal | there is an "ignore" feature with konversation that allows you to setup a filter, however the "pattern" makes no sense to me | 06:36 |
| nixternal | g'nite bddebian | 06:36 |
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| nixternal | Jucato: im in #konversation already | 06:37 |
| Mez | Riddell, how big a pita would it be to code that into konv? | 06:37 |
| nixternal | ey | 06:37 |
| Jucato | ah. he didn't reply in #kde | 06:37 |
| nixternal | did you ctcp me? | 06:37 |
| Jucato | who? me? | 06:37 |
| Mez | nixternal, I did | 06:37 |
| Jucato | ah :) | 06:37 |
| Mez | nixternal, lol - want me to grab nate into the conversation too ? | 06:38 |
| nixternal | and no reply | 06:39 |
| nixternal | woohoo | 06:39 |
| nixternal | i figured that bugger out then | 06:39 |
| nixternal | and maybe we should set that as a default then for konversationrc? | 06:39 |
| nixternal | Pattern == * | 06:39 |
| nixternal | Checked CTCP | 06:39 |
| nixternal | and now i don't reply ;) | 06:40 |
| Jucato | :) | 06:41 |
| nixternal | my lord 4s lag right now | 06:41 |
| Mez | 0.2s lag] | 06:42 |
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| Riddell | Mez: code what? | 06:51 |
| Mez | Riddell, a network send queue | 06:53 |
| Riddell | I have no idea, you'd need to ask a konversation developer | 06:53 |
| nixternal | it is funny how one of the oldest floods in the book, is still around after more than 15 years | 07:04 |
| nixternal | and to think, konversation fell victim ;( | 07:05 |
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| Lure | Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyLaptop ready for review | 07:06 |
| Riddell | Lure: 67889 uploaded | 07:11 |
| Lure | Riddell: thanks | 07:12 |
| Riddell | thank you, appologies for the delay | 07:13 |
| === Riddell sets kubuntu-ubiquity-migration-assistant to Review | ||
| Riddell | Lure: KubuntuFeistyLaptop is fine but it's 100% lists | 07:16 |
| Riddell | Lure: you should write in prose not lists for specs almost all the time | 07:16 |
| Lure | Riddell: I am not good at prose... ;-) | 07:16 |
| Riddell | sure you are | 07:17 |
| seaLne | what about rhyming cuplets? :) | 07:17 |
| Lure | Riddell: and I have copied structure from ZeroConfNetwroking | 07:17 |
| Riddell | Lure: only thing missing is to document on the very last point why we are not porting to qt 4 yet | 07:17 |
| Lure | Riddell: will do | 07:17 |
| nixternal | haha | 07:18 |
| Riddell | All specs in iambic pentameter please | 07:18 |
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| hollywoodb | I know some kubuntu packages have "Hidden=true" or "NoDisplay=true" in their respective .desktop files, but it is improper (especially for a game) to have a /usr/share/menu/ entry yet no .desktop file (hence no menu entry), correct? | 07:21 |
| Riddell | hollywoodb: sounds like a bug | 07:22 |
| hollywoodb | Riddell: well, filed, I was just making sure I didn't miss something... knetwalk game suffers exactly that | 07:22 |
| Riddell | hollywoodb: is there a .desktop file for it in the source? | 07:24 |
| hollywoodb | Riddell: the actual source as if I downloaded it from the project's homepage? I haven't actually checked. | 07:24 |
| Riddell | do apt-get source knetwalk | 07:25 |
| hollywoodb | Riddell: will take a couple minutes, its part of kdegames, which is ~12.5MB on my connection | 07:26 |
| hollywoodb | hollywoodb@milan:~/kdegames-3.5.5$ grep desktop */*/* | grep knet ----> knetwalk/src/Makefile.in ----> knetwalk.desktop | 07:30 |
| hollywoodb | there's no file, but its specified in makefile | 07:30 |
| hollywoodb | Riddell: followed by: knetwalk/src/SConscript:myenv.KDEinstall('KDEXDG', '', 'knetwalk.desktop') | 07:31 |
| hollywoodb | I'm not going to pretend to have a deep understanding of makefiles | 07:32 |
| Riddell | bit knetwalk/src/knetwalk.desktop doesn't exist? | 07:33 |
| Riddell | s/bit/but/ | 07:33 |
| hollywoodb | Riddell: correct, there's no file, its only specified in SConscript and Makefile.in | 07:34 |
| Riddell | crazy | 07:34 |
| Riddell | hollywoodb: well next step is to create a .desktop file, then we can just slip it in | 07:35 |
| hollywoodb | Riddell: I can write a .desktop... but I've no idea how to handle the 25 lines of non-english language for Name, Comment, and GenericName | 07:36 |
| Riddell | hollywoodb: that's not important, they'll get filled in by the translators | 07:38 |
| Lure | Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyNetworking ready for review | 07:39 |
| hollywoodb | Riddell: well, I'll append relevant info from this discussion and attach and english-only .desktop to the bug then, thanks | 07:40 |
| nixternal | Riddell: whenever you are ready for an updated kubuntu-docs package let me know...im working out some more minor kinks and what not...the firefox startpage is a pita though, as a temp fix would be to use the redirect, but i would have to --set it in postinst in order to get it to work correctly..like imbrandon did with kubuntu-usplash | 07:44 |
| Riddell | Lure: looks good | 07:45 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: there must be a way to replace the existing update-alternative option with a new value, without having to explicity steal the alternative with --set | 07:48 |
| nixternal | i have added a remove in both the prerm and first in postinst, and it isntalls and, even says that the redirect is the best option, but it doesn't change the firefox-homepage link | 07:49 |
| hollywoodb | Riddell: bug 70264 if you're interested ;) | 07:52 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 70264 in kdegames "knetwalk does not have a .desktop file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70264 | 07:52 |
| hollywoodb | Riddell: I dropped the .desktop in ~/.local/share/applications/ and am giving it worksforme status ;) | 07:52 |
| === Riddell sleeps | ||
| Jucato | night Riddell! | 07:55 |
| hollywoodb | how would I find out if a package has a maintainer? | 07:55 |
| hollywoodb | alright, I found the maintainer I was looking for... Steffen J. | 08:09 |
| hollywoodb | how do I find if he's still active? | 08:09 |
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| |joe| | hi | 09:05 |
| Hobbsee | hey |joe| | 09:05 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee!!! | 09:06 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato!!! | 09:06 |
| === Jucato wants to throw some chocolate over at Hobbsee | ||
| |joe| | has anyone seen freeflying recently? | 09:06 |
| Jucato | flying around I guess... | 09:07 |
| |joe| | choc again, oh no | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | |joe|: a couple of days ago? | 09:07 |
| Jucato | !seen freeflying | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 09:07 |
| ubotu | I last saw freeflying (i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying) 48m 14s ago, quiting: Remote closed the connection | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | ah, he was here | 09:07 |
| Jucato | lol... parked nick | 09:07 |
| |joe| | great | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | mmm...chocolate | 09:07 |
| |joe| | too late | 09:07 |
| |joe| | Hobbsee: do you actually like the sweet one or the bitter one | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | ...there's sweet and bitter chocolate? | 09:08 |
| Jucato | bitter/black chocolate | 09:09 |
| |joe| | hmmm ... well at least in europe :) the sweet one is called milk choc | 09:09 |
| Hobbsee | ahh. milk chocolate, yeah :) | 09:09 |
| === Hobbsee isnt into dark chocolate much | ||
| |joe| | ok milk/dark, now i know | 09:09 |
| === Jucato loves white chocoloate most of all | ||
| Hobbsee | not a great fan of white chocolate, although bits of it are good | 09:10 |
| |joe| | as i was in the choc museum we bought two dark bars - one 100% cacao, the other one with over 80% and chilli and stuff | 09:10 |
| Hobbsee | ick | 09:10 |
| === Jucato wonders if there is Kit Kat white chocolate in other countries... | ||
| |joe| | Jucato: i think i saw something like that here though i'm not sure | 09:11 |
| Jucato | that's my current favorite | 09:12 |
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| |joe| | what does usually happen with no longer actively maintained and buggy sw? | 09:45 |
| Hobbsee | |joe|: in debian or ubuntu? | 09:52 |
| |joe| | Hobbsee: ubuntu | 09:52 |
| Hobbsee | |joe|: got a particular example? | 09:53 |
| |joe| | Hobbsee: i found out knet is totally broken in edgy | 09:53 |
| Hobbsee | if it gets removed from sid, then it gets removed from ubuntu | 09:53 |
| Hobbsee | !info knet edgy | 09:53 |
| ubotu | knet: The Knet is a frontend to pppd.. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6beta1-1ubuntu9 (edgy), package size 1017 kB, installed size 1584 kB | 09:53 |
| Hobbsee | i thought i merged that a while ago | 09:53 |
| Hobbsee | |joe|: how so? | 09:53 |
| |joe| | Hobbsee: i already filled two bug reports and fixed it locally | 09:53 |
| |joe| | Hobbsee: but it is no longer actively maintained, so the only options seems fixing in ubuntu via patches | 09:54 |
| Hobbsee | |joe|: you could always make the fix to get it into the repos | 09:54 |
| Hobbsee | |joe|: what's the fix for https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/knet/+bug/71196 ? | 09:55 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 71196 in knet "knet failes to connect, incorrect chap-secrets" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 09:55 |
| |joe| | Hobbsee: ok now it were rather small fixes but if it should be smtng bigger | 09:55 |
| |joe| | Hobbsee: hey wait, i'm not that fast, i just unpacked the .orig.tar.gz :) | 09:55 |
| Hobbsee | |joe|: ahh | 09:56 |
| Hobbsee | |joe|: the first one is easy, but i'm not sure how to fix the second | 09:59 |
| |joe| | Hobbsee: attached | 10:01 |
| === Hobbsee looks for someone more knowledgable to look at that | ||
| |joe| | Hobbsee: freeflying patched the 2.4.4b1 previously so i was looking for him | 10:04 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh | 10:04 |
| |joe| | Hobbsee: but the chap-secrets got broken probably in edgy, i think the pppd was exchanged, wasn't it? | 10:05 |
| Hobbsee | no idea | 10:05 |
| |joe| | it's actually the only "nicer" gui for pppoe in kde | 10:05 |
| Jucato | :) | 10:05 |
| |joe| | Jucato: ! :) | 10:05 |
| |joe| | i know | 10:06 |
| === Jucato remembers asking about KNet in the first kubuntu meeting he ever attended... (or was it before...) | ||
| |joe| | well the network connectivity could be actually better in kubuntu | 10:07 |
| Hobbsee | does it work, though? | 10:07 |
| Hobbsee | i hear that knm will be made default this time around | 10:08 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: it's old, and unmaintained afaik | 10:08 |
| |joe| | Hobbsee: what's knm? knetworkmanager? | 10:08 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: will knm also handle ADSL PPPoE? | 10:08 |
| |joe| | afaik nothing handles currently pppoe except of knet and kwlan | 10:08 |
| |joe| | though i found some frontend to pon/poff as well | 10:09 |
| |joe| | but eg proxy settings are real pain as well | 10:09 |
| === Jucato wonders what rp-pppoe is... | ||
| |joe| | i was trying to set a system-wide proxy on a friend's notebook and ended up editing /etc/profile manually | 10:10 |
| |joe| | and setting one thousand applications to use the environment settings | 10:11 |
| Hobbsee | |joe|: yep | 10:11 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: no idea. probably not | 10:11 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: i think they were talking about doing that eventually | 10:11 |
| === Jucato hopes that eventually == really soon... | ||
| |joe| | this could be actually part of knetworkconf | 10:12 |
| |joe| | i imagine knetworkconf handling what it already does +system-wide proxies +ppp and profiles (incl ppp and proxy settings) | 10:12 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: start coding | 10:14 |
| Hobbsee | |joe|: knet == knetworkconf? | 10:14 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: don't you mean "start learning"? :P | 10:14 |
| |joe| | no | 10:14 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: no | 10:14 |
| Jucato | :) | 10:14 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: what's it in? c++? | 10:14 |
| Hobbsee | we need something better than wlassistant, anyway | 10:14 |
| |joe| | i think knetworkconf is the "network" in kubuntu's system setting isn't it? | 10:14 |
| Hobbsee | ahh | 10:14 |
| Jucato | KNet? I'm not sure though... | 10:14 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 10:14 |
| |joe| | knet is c++ | 10:14 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: knm | 10:15 |
| Jucato | ah.. hm... | 10:15 |
| |joe| | well i could help as well, but gui is not actually what i'm keen on | 10:16 |
| |joe| | some backends etc would be possible | 10:17 |
| |joe| | and firstly i want to get kdetv running correctly on my machine ;-) | 10:17 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: I'm presuming C++, since the source code comes in .cpp :) | 10:17 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 10:17 |
| Hobbsee | mmm...kdetv...i remember modifying that, once | 10:18 |
| Hobbsee | |joe|: what do you code? | 10:18 |
| |joe| | Hobbsee: what do you mean? apps/langs/... | 10:19 |
| Hobbsee | both | 10:20 |
| |joe| | heh | 10:20 |
| |joe| | well i'm a working person so i don't have that much free time to code, and i don't want to spend 12hrs a day begind a crt/lcd | 10:21 |
| |joe| | so regarding oss usually only fixing bugs | 10:21 |
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| |joe| | langs c/c++/java recently perl | 10:21 |
| Jucato | wow. that's a lot :) | 10:22 |
| Jucato | any, gotta go :) | 10:22 |
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| |joe| | and at work .... mostly car head units, one could say | 10:22 |
| Hobbsee | nice :) | 10:23 |
| |joe| | now i'm actually on a forced vacation, otherwise i couldn't be here this time | 10:26 |
| Hobbsee | hehe :) | 10:26 |
| Hobbsee | there's plenty of stuff to hack on, if you want to do it | 10:27 |
| Hobbsee | as well as upstream kde, if that's your interest | 10:27 |
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| |joe| | well i'm not sure what i want to start with ... now i'm quite happy fixing bugs that annoy me :) | 10:35 |
| Hobbsee | :D | 10:37 |
| Hobbsee | |joe|: and getting the fixes into feisty, hopefully | 10:37 |
| |joe| | yeah | 10:37 |
| |joe| | btw i was just thinking about this stuff with backports | 10:38 |
| |joe| | are these backports actually something "official"? | 10:38 |
| |joe| | you know if such broken packages get into new release it's not nice that they get only fixed in the next release | 10:39 |
| |joe| | and eg i personally don't know if using all backports is "safe" | 10:39 |
| Hobbsee | jdong does them. usually he doesnt break things | 10:40 |
| Hobbsee | |joe|: there's a thing called a SRU (stable release update) - and stuff that's severely broken tends to go thru them into -updates | 10:40 |
| Hobbsee | |joe|: of course, fixing one part can break another, so everything has to be pretty carefully done | 10:40 |
| |joe| | Hobbsee: and who takes care of the sru? | 10:41 |
| Hobbsee | !sru | 10:41 |
| ubotu | sru is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates | 10:41 |
| Hobbsee | oh, there you go, there is a link for it | 10:41 |
| |joe| | ah, lazy me :) | 10:41 |
| Hobbsee | whoever's requesting it :P | 10:41 |
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| Hobbsee | *merges | 10:47 |
| crimsun | merges good. | 10:48 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm, kid3 looks eaxy | 10:49 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: can you look thru that gnunet merge in -motu - iv'e got no real knowledge of it | 10:49 |
| Hobbsee | please :) | 10:49 |
| Hobbsee | sometime | 10:49 |
| |joe| | hm if mez now filled request to get knights into backports, should i request it into sru as well or am i going to get kicked? :) | 11:02 |
| Hobbsee | probably not | 11:02 |
| Hobbsee | but i've got no idea if it will happen | 11:02 |
| crimsun | uh, why would you SRU it if it's already going to backports? | 11:02 |
| |joe| | just thinking loud | 11:03 |
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| |joe| | for better user experience | 11:03 |
| |joe| | actually now as i know sru i'd suggest it to get it into sru, not into backports | 11:04 |
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| Hobbsee | !logs | 01:56 |
| ubotu | Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | 01:56 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 03:28 |
| Jucato | hi bddebian! | 03:29 |
| bddebian | Howdy Jucato | 03:29 |
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| RadiantFire | sorry to pester, but I have figured out what I think is a solution to bug 64841 against wlassistant | 03:59 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 64841 in wlassistant "wireless assisant does not connect in edgy" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/64841 | 03:59 |
| seele | Jucato: do you ever sleep? | 03:59 |
| jsgotangco | haha | 04:00 |
| jsgotangco | he tries not to | 04:00 |
| RadiantFire | if anyone is here, I figured out how to change to code to make it work, but I'm not sure what to do with it now, so i figured this would be a good place to come | 04:00 |
| RadiantFire | apparently, people are here | 04:00 |
| Jucato | lol :) | 04:00 |
| Jucato | seele: yeah, in a few hours... :) | 04:00 |
| seele | Jucato: what time zone are you in? | 04:00 |
| Jucato | seele: +8 UTC (Philippines) | 04:00 |
| RadiantFire | anyway, my question is, who do I contact now? | 04:01 |
| seele | ah hah | 04:01 |
| jsgotangco | its a good timezone to be in since the other side is just about to finish work | 04:02 |
| jsgotangco | and another part is about to start working | 04:02 |
| jsgotangco | :) | 04:02 |
| Jucato | hehehe :) | 04:03 |
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| mhb | Lure: ping ... you have a minute? | 05:04 |
| fdoving | wow. debian got diffindexes. | 05:10 |
| fdoving | Hit http://ftp.se.debian.org etch/main Packages/DiffIndex | 05:10 |
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| Lure | mhb: I am running to catch a bus to udsmtv - can you ping me in in 45 minutes when I get back online | 05:20 |
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| mhb | Lure: sure | 05:21 |
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| Tonio__ | hi all | 06:16 |
| abattoir | hi Tonio__ | 06:16 |
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| Jucato | hi Tonio_! | 06:16 |
| Riddell | beryl developers "we're being hit over a million times a day", must be some bad code to give that sort of violent reaction | 06:17 |
| Lure | Tonio_: kpowersave svn: https://forgesvn1.novell.com/svn/powersave/trunk | 06:24 |
| Lure | Tonio_: if you have time to build | 06:24 |
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| mhb | Lure: ping | 06:45 |
| Riddell | mhb: do you have a list of icons for crystal and oxygen? | 06:55 |
| mhb | Riddell: I had one, but not anymore ... | 06:56 |
| mhb | Riddell: sorry | 06:56 |
| Riddell | bah | 06:56 |
| mhb | Riddell: is it urgent? | 06:56 |
| Riddell | no | 06:56 |
| mhb | Riddell: I can get you one in a few hours | 06:56 |
| Riddell | but I know someone had a big webpage with all the crystal icons and oxygen icons side by side | 06:56 |
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| Riddell | and I've no idea who it is | 06:56 |
| mhb | Riddell: ya, was me | 06:56 |
| Tonio_ | re | 06:57 |
| Riddell | but that was only the other week, what happened to it? | 06:57 |
| mhb | Riddell: well I promised the Oxygen folks to implement it into oxygen-icons.org, but I haven't found the time yet ... lazy me | 06:58 |
| mhb | Riddell: now that you mention it, I really should do it | 06:58 |
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| Riddell | mhb: too early for that, we need to fix the icon naming spec stuff first, that's why I'm asking | 06:58 |
| Riddell | mhb: don't you still have that webpage? | 06:58 |
| mhb | Riddell: I guess I do | 06:59 |
| mhb | Riddell: I'll take a look | 06:59 |
| mhb | Riddell: 30 mins ... I should update the icons as well | 06:59 |
| Riddell | mhb: thanks | 06:59 |
| mhb | Riddell: the page is at http://mhb.ath.cx/projects/oxygen/comparison.php but I need some time to update the Oxygen images from SVN | 07:02 |
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| Riddell | mhb: yes, that was the page | 07:05 |
| Riddell | mhb: it would be useful to have some context on the icons, like what kde module they are currently in and which app they are in | 07:05 |
| Riddell | mhb: what do the outlines around some of the icons mean? | 07:07 |
| mhb | Riddell: I agree... I'll contact the Oxygen folks, see if the other guy did some work on the CMS and add this page to my weekend TODO list | 07:07 |
| mhb | Riddell: I don't see any outlines | 07:08 |
| Riddell | mhb: I don't think the oxygen folks care too much, they just want to draw the icons, dudes like you and me have to do the administrata | 07:08 |
| mhb | Riddell: they had another volunteer to help with the CMS | 07:08 |
| mhb | Riddell: so I meant him | 07:08 |
| Riddell | hmm, the whole thing is outlined, I'm sure when I looked at it before only some of them were | 07:09 |
| mhb | Riddell: I see it now, Konqueror-specific, Firefox displays the whole border of the table | 07:11 |
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| mhb | for some reason the Konqueror border ends at cca 1/3 | 07:11 |
| Riddell | mhb: and starts again lower down | 07:11 |
| mhb | I see | 07:12 |
| mhb | it is a CSS-related bug, not a feature | 07:12 |
| Riddell | mhb: what is the CMS for that page? | 07:14 |
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| mhb | Riddell: this one is a simple PHP code | 07:14 |
| mhb | Riddell:I wanted to make a Wordpress module out of it, but haven't found the time yet | 07:15 |
| Riddell | mhb: what would be good is an easily editable table with the crystal icon, the oxygen icon, the crystal name, the icon-name-spec name and a comment | 07:16 |
| Riddell | and the category | 07:17 |
| mhb | Riddell: what do you have in mind by easily-editable? | 07:17 |
| Riddell | mhb: I've no idea, that's my problem | 07:17 |
| Riddell | mhb: presumably this just looks in a directory for all the crystal icons and oxygen icons with the same name? | 07:18 |
| mhb | Riddell: it uses mysql, which gets populated by a helper script | 07:18 |
| Riddell | what's in the database? | 07:19 |
| mhb | Riddell: basically a table for all the stuff you named (now it's blank) ... just the frontend is missing | 07:20 |
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| Riddell | trouble with doing it on this webpage is its far too big, it takes 5 minutes to load | 07:20 |
| mhb | Riddell: well, that's my bad connection :o) | 07:21 |
| mhb | Riddell: I should move it somewhere on a public server | 07:21 |
| mhb | Riddell: also I plan to make it smaller by listing only one cathegory at a time | 07:22 |
| MidMark | sebas I have updated steps to reproduce bug #39444, see my last comment | 07:22 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 39444 in kde-guidance "Changing an user's password can change another password for a different user" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/39444 | 07:22 |
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| Riddell | toma: the journalist dude here asked about the new kde e-mail client | 07:32 |
| toma | Riddell: what did he ask? | 07:32 |
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| Riddell | toma: I think the implication was whether kmail was so bad that starting from scratch was better | 07:40 |
| Riddell | mhb: if I give you a list of current name-spec to crystal names can you incorporate them into the database? | 07:40 |
| gnomefreak | new email client? | 07:41 |
| fdoving | www.mailody.net | 07:42 |
| Lure | gnomefreak: http://www.omat.nl/drupal/?q=node/115 | 07:42 |
| gnomefreak | ty | 07:42 |
| mhb | Riddell: OK, will do | 07:43 |
| mhb | Riddell: today later or tomorrow (if it's not urgent) | 07:43 |
| Lure | toma: btw, any plans for disconnected imap? | 07:43 |
| Riddell | mhb: nothing is urgent, we just want to get moving with this so it's done in the next few weeks and we can move oxygen into KDE 4 in SVN | 07:44 |
| Riddell | mhb: oh, the other thing is we want to fill in the gapsin oxygen with icons from monochrome theme so it's obviously a gap but you can see what the icon should be of | 07:44 |
| Riddell | can we do that in the database too? | 07:45 |
| mhb | Riddell: no problem, one more column | 07:45 |
| mhb | Riddell: I need to get the monochrome icons, though | 07:46 |
| mhb | Riddell: do you a have a set as complete as possible? | 07:46 |
| Riddell | mhb: what do you mean? monochrome is the most complete set there is I believe | 07:46 |
| Riddell | mhb: the monochrome icons are in KDE SVN in the accessibility module | 07:47 |
| toma | Riddell: if you read the kdepim ml, you can see that some think building from scratch is better. For me the main reason was that I could not a grip on the codebase of kmail. | 07:49 |
| mhb | Riddell: IIRC most of the Crystal icons are scattered through the apps | 07:49 |
| toma | Riddell: maybe when i had more experience I would have extended kmail | 07:49 |
| mhb | Riddell: the Crystal set used in the comparison table is a collection from Ken | 07:50 |
| Riddell | toma: so this might replace kmail in the longer term? | 07:50 |
| mhb | Riddell: so I feared monochrome is like that, too | 07:50 |
| Riddell | mhb: monochrome is all in one place | 07:50 |
| mhb | Riddell: good to hear. No problem, then. | 07:50 |
| toma | Riddell: i'm not the one to decide, and mailody lacks a lot of features kmail has | 07:51 |
| Riddell | mhb: or search kde-look.org for danny allen, he also did a coloured version of monochrome which might be better to use | 07:51 |
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| Lure | hi mbiebl | 07:52 |
| Riddell | Lure: last day today, anything else we need to cover? | 07:52 |
| toma | Lure: which part of disconnected imap? | 07:52 |
| Lure | mbiebl: did you play with new kpowersave already? | 07:52 |
| mbiebl | Lure: hi | 07:52 |
| mbiebl | No, not yet. | 07:52 |
| Lure | toma: being able to have cached e-mails when not connected to imap server | 07:52 |
| toma | Lure: starting up without connection should be possible, moving stuff and syncing afterwards is not | 07:52 |
| mbiebl | IIRC it's very much in a flux atm. | 07:53 |
| toma | Lure: did not try it though ;-) | 07:53 |
| mbiebl | So I'm not sure if it is already in a usable state. | 07:53 |
| toma | Lure: you can try, fdoving probably has packages ;-) | 07:53 |
| Lure | mbiebl: I will try to build it to see how it fits for Ubuntu - we are in plannig phase what to do for edgy | 07:53 |
| mbiebl | You should maybe contact dannyK then. | 07:54 |
| mbiebl | I'll guess he can help you better if you encounter problems. | 07:54 |
| mbiebl | He is around on #powersave and #hal | 07:54 |
| Lure | mbiebl: I plan to do so, as we will use kpowersave only if they apply some kiss concepts to the UI | 07:54 |
| Lure | Riddell: nothing on my list | 07:57 |
| Lure | Riddell: I am on powermgmt session | 07:58 |
| Riddell | Lure: mine neither :) | 07:58 |
| Lure | Riddell: but it is more forward looking than really practical for feisty | 07:59 |
| === gnomefreak just tried mailody and found that its only for IMAP and the configure settings need to have more stuff in them like a way to use gpg pop so on | ||
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| fdoving | mailody is my primary mail client. it's nice. :) | 08:03 |
| Riddell | ooh, tonio's being chatted up in French! | 08:03 |
| Riddell | when a girl starts talking to you in French you know she fancies you | 08:04 |
| fdoving | go scare her away, girlfriends are not compatible with hardcore kubuntu developing. :) | 08:05 |
| gnomefreak | fdoving: i wouldnt mind it if i had IMAP mail. if i just tried the latest version though its not ready for mainstream kde IMO | 08:06 |
| Riddell | mhb: do you have any easy way of finding out which kde modules thoses icons came from? | 08:06 |
| mhb | Lure: do you have a minute? Can you explain to me in 2-3 sentences how knetworkmanager will provide the info about disconnects, reconnects, etc? | 08:06 |
| mhb | Riddell: you mean the Crystal ones? No, because I didn't use any automated tools to get them, Kenneth just sent me a pack | 08:07 |
| Riddell | mhb: hmm, we really need that | 08:07 |
| mhb | Riddell: they are a mess | 08:08 |
| Riddell | mhb: I know | 08:08 |
| toma | gnomefreak: arguments? | 08:08 |
| Riddell | mhb: also we need text export (and probably import) for that database | 08:08 |
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| toma | gnomefreak: i mean, saying it because it does not support POP, is a weird argument, as I'm writing a IMAP mailclient | 08:09 |
| gnomefreak | toma: so this will not replace kmail | 08:09 |
| mhb | Riddell: that wouldn't be a problem | 08:10 |
| toma | gnomefreak: it is not written with that in mind | 08:10 |
| gnomefreak | ok i thought this was going to replace kmail. sorry | 08:10 |
| toma | gnomefreak: i needed a fast, reliable mailclient | 08:10 |
| toma | gnomefreak: and to be honest, kmail does not really fit in that categorie when using imap | 08:11 |
| toma | or is hanging on the edge | 08:11 |
| Riddell | mhb: oh and it needs fields for crystal icon type and oxygen icon type (action, app, device etc) | 08:12 |
| === gnomefreak never used an email that used imap. dont even know where to find them lol. | ||
| fdoving | the two main features i'm missing, is multiple identities, and multiple smtp-servers. that's it. the latter isn't really a issue once smtp auth is in place. so multiple identities. :) | 08:12 |
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| toma | fdoving: i need multiple identities, so it will be there soon | 08:12 |
| toma | i just want to have a stable base | 08:12 |
| fdoving | toma: looking forward to it :) | 08:13 |
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| mhb | Riddell: OK | 08:20 |
| mhb | Riddell: thank god for automatic logging :o) | 08:20 |
| Riddell | :) | 08:20 |
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| _Sime_ | hi all | 08:23 |
| seele | Riddell: has kwwii posted the kde pic yet? | 08:24 |
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| Riddell | seele: the group photo? | 08:25 |
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| seele | yeah | 08:26 |
| Riddell | seele: muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/_DSC8462.JPG | 08:26 |
| seele | 403 | 08:26 |
| oslo | someone use superkaramba with beryl here ? | 08:27 |
| Riddell | seele: try now | 08:27 |
| Riddell | morning _sim | 08:27 |
| oslo | i'd like to see 1superkaramba on 4 virtual desk.. | 08:28 |
| Riddell | _sime_ | 08:28 |
| _Sime_ | yes | 08:28 |
| seele | what a freaking huge photo | 08:28 |
| seele | Riddell: thanks :) | 08:28 |
| mhb | nice photo | 08:29 |
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| Riddell | that's kwwii's mega huge camera at work | 08:30 |
| seele | i like how he had to give you the one with sebas groping himself | 08:33 |
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| === _Sime_ has a compiled and working kde 4 (in a window) | ||
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| nixternal | that only took half the day to download | 08:37 |
| nixternal | i know sebas, Lure, Riddell, imbrandon by photo, but the others i don't...and it seems we have another lady on the team | 08:38 |
| === gnomefreak only knew 2 without looking at name tags | ||
| Hawkwind | Hah, so not a surprise to see a Mt. Dew in imbrandon's hand | 08:40 |
| nixternal | name tags? | 08:40 |
| nixternal | i didn't even look..hahah | 08:40 |
| nixternal | maybe that will answer my question on who everyone else is | 08:40 |
| Hawkwind | You can't see everyone's name tag though | 08:41 |
| gnomefreak | only 4 or 5 name tags i was able to see | 08:41 |
| gnomefreak | _Sime_: a full kde4 or just base/libs | 08:42 |
| _Sime_ | gnomefreak: libs and base running in a very bare Xephyr window. | 08:43 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 08:43 |
| === gnomefreak still wonders why kde4base is in repos | ||
| gnomefreak | i read somewhere its mainly for developers | 08:44 |
| _Sime_ | I've compiled it from SVN. | 08:45 |
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| imbrandon | moins | 08:50 |
| imbrandon | seele: you made it home in one peice ! | 08:51 |
| imbrandon | nixternal: left to right , john trapsell, nuno (sp?) , kwwii, luka, me , seele / celeste , Riddell , Tonio_ , Y......(sp?) ,sebas | 08:55 |
| nixternal | ya, your big head is easy to recognize (hillbilly) ;) | 08:56 |
| imbrandon | lol | 08:56 |
| nixternal | hehe | 08:56 |
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| nixternal | i thought that was tonio, just wasn't 100% positive on that | 08:57 |
| Riddell | seele: try 63.JPG | 09:04 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: Josef | 09:05 |
| mhb | Riddell: who's that? | 09:05 |
| Riddell | the one he had as Y... | 09:05 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: ahh right, my mistake | 09:05 |
| Riddell | but it's pronounced as a Y (or so I've learnt) | 09:06 |
| mhb | Riddell: that spelling is common here in the Czech Rep., so you poked my interest | 09:06 |
| seele | Riddell: ah ha, that one is so much nicer | 09:21 |
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