[12:18] <allee> Lure, Riddell, sebas: if the feisty laptop bof canceled?  Nobody is in room 209
[12:36] <Lure> allee: sorry, we have press here interested for kubuntu and laptop stuff will move
[12:37] <Lure> allee: we will setup voip in another room and get started in 5-10 minutes
[12:37] <Lure> allee: I will ping you when we are ready...
[12:37] <Lure> alleeHol: ^^^
[12:37] <allee> Thx!
[12:40] <Lure> allee: call 5008 (room 250)
[12:40] <alleeHol> k
[12:41] <Lure> tell us if you hear us....
[12:42] <alleeHol> I hear something but it stop for a sec, works for a sec
[12:42] <Lure> alleeHol: can you turn the mic off - we get strange echo
[12:42] <alleeHol> muted
[12:42] <alleeHol> yes
[12:42] <alleeHol> fine
[12:44] <alleeHol> turned off
[12:44] <alleeHol> yes, no drop
[12:44] <alleeHol> but I hear you tipping
[12:50] <alleeHol> Tonio_: is case there a laptop next to the micro.  Move it a bit away.  If there none, forget it
[12:52] <Tonio_> alleeHol: thereis none afaics
[01:30] <Jucato> has anyone updated to nvidia-glx and run into problems?
[01:32] <Jucato> if nvidia-glx was updated, should nvidia-kernel-common be updated as well? or is it enough to update linux-restricted-modules?
[01:42] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Pong
[01:42] <Hawkwind> Ermmm...wrong channel actually :P
[02:48] <sebas> alleeHol: Eeh, well, there suddenly was a presentation and we all left 
[02:48] <sebas> Sorry! :/
[02:50] <alleeHol> nite
[02:55] <Tonio_> oh la la
[02:56] <Tonio_> haw haw he haw
[02:56] <Tonio_> je mange des frogs legs
[02:56] <Tonio_> raw
[02:56] <Jucato> O_o
[02:57] <sebas> Not that Tonio_ himself wrote it, but still.
[03:23] <seele> hmm.. dinner time i guess?
[03:26] <seele> google had awesome food
[03:26] <seele> i had these really soft chocolate cookies with some kind of filling.. mmm
[03:26] <Jucato> hm.... :)
[03:26] <Jucato> didn't Google serve pizzas in Akademy too? or was that Nokia? (I forgot)
[03:27] <seele> im not sure, i missed akademy :(
[03:27] <Kryczek> gsm pizzas?
[03:27] <Kryczek> lol, better yet
[03:27] <Jucato> aw.. :(
[03:28] <Kryczek> pizzas cooked with cellphone radiation?
[03:28] <Jucato> lol
[03:28] <Mez> o_O
[03:29] <Mez> -> #kubuntu-devel-offtopic
[03:29] <Mez> :P
[03:29] <Jucato> heh
[03:33] <seele> *crickets*
[03:34] <Kryczek> yeah well, I had an ontopic question for Tonio_, but he just left :/
[03:35] <Jucato> oh dang! I had a question for him, too...
[04:35] <Riddell> seele: did you get back ok?
[04:38] <seele> Riddell: from class?
[04:38] <seele> im not bleeding or broken so i'd say that is a yes
[04:39] <Jucato> a bleeding or broken seele would be a tragedy to KDE...
[04:39] <seele> Jucato: i know.. poor ellen would have so much work!
[04:39] <Riddell> seele: no, from california, I never asked
[04:39] <seele> Riddell: lol.. well it took a while to get home..
[04:39] <seele> after the first delay and the second delay from my flight being cancelled
[04:40] <seele> we got on the new plane and were on our way to take off and we had emergency maintenance on the field
[04:41] <seele> so i was 3 hours late getting back, i was supposed to arrive at 6 and we touched down at 9
[04:42] <Lure> .
[04:43] <seele> ._.
[04:43] <Jucato> O_o
[04:43] <seele> >_>
[04:43] <seele> <_<
[04:44] <Lure> ;-)
[04:44] <seele> ^_^
[04:44] <Jucato> ~_^
[04:44] <seele> >^-^<
[04:44] <jdong> it's a face-off
[04:44] <Jucato> d-(",)-b
[04:51] <jdong> imbrandon: ping; please consider bug 70529 for edgy
[04:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70529 in edgy-backports "Two patches from upstream SVN" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70529
[04:51] <jdong> imbrandon: I mean feisty rather!
[04:53] <Lure> Riddell: reminder for edgpy-proposed upload ;-)
[06:07] <crimsun> now that's a king's greeting
[06:08] <bddebian> Heya gents
[06:08] <nixternal> bah
[06:08] <nixternal> boo
[06:09] <bddebian> heh
[06:32] <Riddell> quiet the night
[06:32] <nixternal> konversation == vulnerable to flooding if you didn't notice
[06:32] <Mez> usually is Riddell 
[06:32] <Mez> nixternal, unlike xchat ? :P
[06:33] <Riddell> nixternal: in what way?
[06:33] <Mez> nixternal, it'd be nice to have a sendq :D
[06:33] <Mez> Riddell, we ust had a botnet flood everyone in #ubuntu with CTCP versions
[06:33] <Mez> because of that, the replys booted them offline 
[06:33] <nixternal> heh, to say the least
[06:33] <Mez> because konv replied to each request in a prompt manner
[06:34] <Mez> which made them excess flood to the network
[06:34] <Mez> Xchat (and i believe irssi) has a "send queue"
[06:34] <Mez> where it delays the messages if you type a lot at once to make sure you dont flood the network
[06:34] <nixternal> well they flooded me off with ctcp requests
[06:35] <nixternal> #ubuntu got attacked by a bot
[06:35] <bddebian> Bah, gnight gents
[06:35] <Jucato> g'night bddebian!
[06:35] <Mez> nixternal, you didnt reply
[06:36] <nixternal> there is an "ignore" feature with konversation that allows you to setup a filter, however the "pattern" makes no sense to me
[06:36] <nixternal> g'nite bddebian
[06:37] <nixternal> Jucato: im in #konversation already
[06:37] <Mez> Riddell, how big a pita would it be to code that into konv?
[06:37] <nixternal> ey
[06:37] <Jucato> ah. he didn't reply in #kde
[06:37] <nixternal> did you ctcp me?
[06:37] <Jucato> who? me?
[06:37] <Mez> nixternal, I did
[06:37] <Jucato> ah :)
[06:38] <Mez> nixternal, lol - want me to grab nate into the conversation too ?
[06:39] <nixternal> and no reply 
[06:39] <nixternal> woohoo
[06:39] <nixternal> i figured that bugger out then
[06:39] <nixternal> and maybe we should set that as a default then for konversationrc?
[06:39] <nixternal> Pattern == *
[06:39] <nixternal> Checked CTCP
[06:40] <nixternal> and now i don't reply ;)
[06:41] <Jucato> :)
[06:41] <nixternal> my lord 4s lag right now
[06:42] <Mez> 0.2s lag] 
[06:51] <Riddell> Mez: code what?
[06:53] <Mez> Riddell, a network send queue
[06:53] <Riddell> I have no idea, you'd need to ask a konversation developer
[07:04] <nixternal> it is funny how one of the oldest floods in the book, is still around after more than 15 years
[07:05] <nixternal> and to think, konversation fell victim ;(
[07:06] <Lure> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyLaptop ready for review
[07:11] <Riddell> Lure: 67889 uploaded
[07:12] <Lure> Riddell: thanks
[07:13] <Riddell> thank you, appologies for the delay
[07:16] <Riddell> Lure: KubuntuFeistyLaptop is fine but it's 100% lists
[07:16] <Riddell> Lure: you should write in prose not lists for specs almost all the time
[07:16] <Lure> Riddell: I am not good at prose... ;-)
[07:17] <Riddell> sure you are
[07:17] <seaLne> what about rhyming cuplets? :)
[07:17] <Lure> Riddell: and I have copied structure from ZeroConfNetwroking
[07:17] <Riddell> Lure: only thing missing is to document on the very last point why we are not porting to qt 4 yet
[07:17] <Lure> Riddell: will do
[07:18] <nixternal> haha
[07:18] <Riddell> All specs in iambic pentameter please
[07:21] <hollywoodb> I know some kubuntu packages have "Hidden=true" or "NoDisplay=true" in their respective .desktop files, but it is improper (especially for a game) to have a /usr/share/menu/ entry yet no .desktop file (hence no menu entry), correct?
[07:22] <Riddell> hollywoodb: sounds like a bug
[07:22] <hollywoodb> Riddell: well, filed, I was just making sure I didn't miss something... knetwalk game suffers exactly that
[07:24] <Riddell> hollywoodb: is there a .desktop file for it in the source?
[07:24] <hollywoodb> Riddell: the actual source as if I downloaded it from the project's homepage? I haven't actually checked.
[07:25] <Riddell> do  apt-get source knetwalk
[07:26] <hollywoodb> Riddell: will take a couple minutes, its part of kdegames, which is ~12.5MB on my connection
[07:30] <hollywoodb> hollywoodb@milan:~/kdegames-3.5.5$ grep desktop */*/* | grep knet ----> knetwalk/src/Makefile.in ----> knetwalk.desktop
[07:30] <hollywoodb> there's no file, but its specified in makefile
[07:31] <hollywoodb> Riddell: followed by: knetwalk/src/SConscript:myenv.KDEinstall('KDEXDG', '', 'knetwalk.desktop')
[07:32] <hollywoodb> I'm not going to pretend to have a deep understanding of makefiles
[07:33] <Riddell> bit knetwalk/src/knetwalk.desktop doesn't exist?
[07:33] <Riddell> s/bit/but/
[07:34] <hollywoodb> Riddell: correct, there's no file, its only specified in SConscript and Makefile.in
[07:34] <Riddell> crazy
[07:35] <Riddell> hollywoodb: well next step is to create a .desktop file, then we can just slip it in
[07:36] <hollywoodb> Riddell: I can write a .desktop... but I've no idea how to handle the 25 lines of non-english language for Name, Comment, and GenericName
[07:38] <Riddell> hollywoodb: that's not important, they'll get filled in by the translators
[07:39] <Lure> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyNetworking ready for review
[07:40] <hollywoodb> Riddell: well, I'll append relevant info from this discussion and attach and english-only .desktop to the bug then, thanks
[07:44] <nixternal> Riddell: whenever you are ready for an updated kubuntu-docs package let me know...im working out some more minor kinks and what not...the firefox startpage is a pita though, as a temp fix would be to use the redirect, but i would have to --set it in postinst in order to get it to work correctly..like imbrandon did with kubuntu-usplash
[07:45] <Riddell> Lure: looks good
[07:48] <Riddell> nixternal: there must be a way to replace the existing update-alternative option with a new value, without having to explicity steal the alternative with --set
[07:49] <nixternal> i have added a remove in both the prerm and first in postinst, and it isntalls and, even says that the redirect is the best option, but it doesn't change the firefox-homepage link
[07:52] <hollywoodb> Riddell: bug 70264 if you're interested ;)
[07:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70264 in kdegames "knetwalk does not have a .desktop file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70264
[07:52] <hollywoodb> Riddell: I dropped the .desktop in ~/.local/share/applications/ and am giving it worksforme status ;)
[07:55] <Jucato> night Riddell!
[07:55] <hollywoodb> how would I find out if a package has a maintainer?
[08:09] <hollywoodb> alright, I found the maintainer I was looking for... Steffen J.
[08:09] <hollywoodb> how do I find if he's still active?
[09:05] <|joe|> hi
[09:05] <Hobbsee> hey |joe| 
[09:06] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!!
[09:06] <Hobbsee> Jucato!!!
[09:06] <|joe|> has anyone seen freeflying recently?
[09:07] <Jucato> flying around I guess...
[09:07] <|joe|> choc again, oh no
[09:07] <Hobbsee> |joe|: a couple of days ago?
[09:07] <Jucato> !seen freeflying
[09:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:07] <ubotu> I last saw freeflying (i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying) 48m 14s ago, quiting: Remote closed the connection
[09:07] <Hobbsee> ah, he was here
[09:07] <Jucato> lol... parked nick
[09:07] <|joe|> great
[09:07] <Hobbsee> mmm...chocolate
[09:07] <|joe|> too late
[09:07] <|joe|> Hobbsee: do you actually like the sweet one or the bitter one
[09:08] <Hobbsee> ...there's sweet and bitter chocolate?
[09:09] <Jucato> bitter/black chocolate
[09:09] <|joe|> hmmm ... well at least in europe :) the sweet one is called milk choc
[09:09] <Hobbsee> ahh.  milk chocolate, yeah :)
[09:09] <|joe|> ok milk/dark, now i know
[09:10] <Hobbsee> not a great fan of white chocolate, although bits of it are good
[09:10] <|joe|> as i was in the choc museum we bought two dark bars - one 100% cacao, the other one with over 80% and chilli and stuff
[09:10] <Hobbsee> ick
[09:11] <|joe|> Jucato: i think i saw something like that here though i'm not sure
[09:12] <Jucato> that's my current favorite
[09:45] <|joe|> what does usually happen with no longer actively maintained and buggy sw?
[09:52] <Hobbsee> |joe|: in debian or ubuntu?
[09:52] <|joe|> Hobbsee: ubuntu
[09:53] <Hobbsee> |joe|: got a particular example?
[09:53] <|joe|> Hobbsee: i found out knet is totally broken in edgy
[09:53] <Hobbsee> if it gets removed from sid, then it gets removed from ubuntu
[09:53] <Hobbsee> !info knet edgy
[09:53] <ubotu> knet: The Knet is a frontend to pppd.. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6beta1-1ubuntu9 (edgy), package size 1017 kB, installed size 1584 kB
[09:53] <Hobbsee> i thought i merged that a while ago
[09:53] <Hobbsee> |joe|: how so?
[09:53] <|joe|> Hobbsee: i already filled two bug reports and fixed it locally
[09:54] <|joe|> Hobbsee: but it is no longer actively maintained, so the only options seems fixing in ubuntu via patches
[09:54] <Hobbsee> |joe|: you could always make the fix to get it into the repos
[09:55] <Hobbsee> |joe|: what's the fix for https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/knet/+bug/71196 ?
[09:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71196 in knet "knet failes to connect, incorrect chap-secrets" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[09:55] <|joe|> Hobbsee: ok now it were rather small fixes but if it should be smtng bigger
[09:55] <|joe|> Hobbsee: hey wait, i'm not that fast, i just unpacked the .orig.tar.gz :)
[09:56] <Hobbsee> |joe|: ahh
[09:59] <Hobbsee> |joe|: the first one is easy, but i'm not sure how to fix the second
[10:01] <|joe|> Hobbsee: attached
[10:04] <|joe|> Hobbsee: freeflying patched the 2.4.4b1 previously so i was looking for him
[10:04] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[10:05] <|joe|> Hobbsee: but the chap-secrets got broken probably in edgy, i think the pppd was exchanged, wasn't it?
[10:05] <Hobbsee> no idea
[10:05] <|joe|> it's actually the only "nicer" gui for pppoe in kde
[10:05] <Jucato> :)
[10:05] <|joe|> Jucato: ! :)
[10:06] <|joe|> i know
[10:07] <|joe|> well the network connectivity could be actually better in kubuntu
[10:07] <Hobbsee> does it work, though?
[10:08] <Hobbsee> i hear that knm will be made default this time around
[10:08] <Jucato> Hobbsee: it's old, and unmaintained afaik
[10:08] <|joe|> Hobbsee: what's knm? knetworkmanager?
[10:08] <Jucato> Hobbsee: will knm also handle ADSL PPPoE?
[10:08] <|joe|> afaik nothing handles currently pppoe except of knet and kwlan
[10:09] <|joe|> though i found some frontend to pon/poff as well
[10:09] <|joe|> but eg proxy settings are real pain as well
[10:10] <|joe|> i was trying to set a system-wide proxy on a friend's notebook and ended up editing /etc/profile manually
[10:11] <|joe|> and setting one thousand applications to use the environment settings
[10:11] <Hobbsee> |joe|: yep
[10:11] <Hobbsee> Jucato: no idea.  probably not
[10:11] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i think they were talking about doing that eventually
[10:12] <|joe|> this could be actually part of knetworkconf
[10:12] <|joe|> i imagine knetworkconf handling what it already does +system-wide proxies +ppp and profiles (incl ppp and proxy settings)
[10:14] <Hobbsee> Jucato: start coding
[10:14] <Hobbsee> |joe|: knet == knetworkconf?
[10:14] <Jucato> Hobbsee: don't you mean "start learning"? :P
[10:14] <|joe|> no
[10:14] <Jucato> Hobbsee: no
[10:14] <Jucato> :)
[10:14] <Hobbsee> Jucato: what's it in?  c++?
[10:14] <Hobbsee> we need something better than wlassistant, anyway
[10:14] <|joe|> i think knetworkconf is the "network" in kubuntu's system setting isn't it?
[10:14] <Hobbsee> ahh
[10:14] <Jucato> KNet? I'm not sure though...
[10:14] <Hobbsee> yep
[10:14] <|joe|> knet is c++
[10:15] <Hobbsee> Jucato: knm
[10:15] <Jucato> ah.. hm...
[10:16] <|joe|> well i could help as well, but gui is not actually what i'm keen on
[10:17] <|joe|> some backends etc would be possible
[10:17] <|joe|> and firstly i want to get kdetv running correctly on my machine ;-)
[10:17] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I'm presuming C++, since the source code comes in .cpp :)
[10:17] <Hobbsee> yep
[10:18] <Hobbsee> mmm...kdetv...i remember modifying that, once
[10:18] <Hobbsee> |joe|: what do you code?
[10:19] <|joe|> Hobbsee: what do you mean? apps/langs/...
[10:20] <Hobbsee> both
[10:20] <|joe|> heh
[10:21] <|joe|> well i'm a working person so i don't have that much free time to code, and i don't want to spend 12hrs a day begind a crt/lcd
[10:21] <|joe|> so regarding oss usually only fixing bugs
[10:21] <|joe|> langs c/c++/java recently perl
[10:22] <Jucato> wow. that's a lot :)
[10:22] <Jucato> any, gotta go :)
[10:22] <|joe|> and at work .... mostly car head units, one could say
[10:23] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[10:26] <|joe|> now i'm actually on a forced vacation, otherwise i couldn't be here this time
[10:26] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[10:27] <Hobbsee> there's plenty of stuff to hack on, if you want to do it
[10:27] <Hobbsee> as well as upstream kde, if that's your interest
[10:35] <|joe|> well i'm not sure what i want to start with ... now i'm quite happy fixing bugs that annoy me :)
[10:37] <Hobbsee> :D
[10:37] <Hobbsee> |joe|: and getting the fixes into feisty, hopefully
[10:37] <|joe|> yeah
[10:38] <|joe|> btw i was just thinking about this stuff with backports
[10:38] <|joe|> are these backports actually something "official"?
[10:39] <|joe|> you know if such broken packages get into new release it's not nice that they get only fixed in the next release
[10:39] <|joe|> and eg i personally don't know if using all backports is "safe"
[10:40] <Hobbsee> jdong does them.  usually he doesnt break things
[10:40] <Hobbsee> |joe|: there's a thing called a SRU (stable release update) - and stuff that's severely broken tends to go thru them into -updates
[10:40] <Hobbsee> |joe|: of course, fixing one part can break another, so everything has to be pretty carefully done
[10:41] <|joe|> Hobbsee: and who takes care of the sru?
[10:41] <Hobbsee> !sru
[10:41] <ubotu> sru is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[10:41] <Hobbsee> oh, there you go, there is a link for it
[10:41] <|joe|> ah, lazy me :)
[10:41] <Hobbsee> whoever's requesting it :P
[10:47] <Hobbsee> *merges
[10:48] <crimsun> merges good.
[10:49] <Hobbsee> hmmm, kid3 looks eaxy
[10:49] <Hobbsee> crimsun: can you look thru that gnunet merge in -motu - iv'e got no real knowledge of it
[10:49] <Hobbsee> please :)
[10:49] <Hobbsee> sometime
[11:02] <|joe|> hm if mez now filled request to get knights into backports, should i request it into sru as well or am i going to get kicked? :)
[11:02] <Hobbsee> probably not
[11:02] <Hobbsee> but i've got no idea if it will happen
[11:02] <crimsun> uh, why would you SRU it if it's already going to backports?
[11:03] <|joe|> just thinking loud
[11:03] <|joe|> for better user experience
[11:04] <|joe|> actually now as i know sru i'd suggest it to get it into sru, not into backports
[01:56] <Hobbsee> !logs
[01:56] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[03:28] <bddebian> Heya
[03:29] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[03:29] <bddebian> Howdy Jucato
[03:59] <RadiantFire> sorry to pester, but I have figured out what I think is a solution to bug 64841 against wlassistant
[03:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64841 in wlassistant "wireless assisant does not connect in edgy" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64841
[03:59] <seele> Jucato: do you ever sleep?
[04:00] <jsgotangco> haha
[04:00] <jsgotangco> he tries not to
[04:00] <RadiantFire> if anyone is here, I figured out how to change to code to make it work, but I'm not sure what to do with it now, so i figured this would be a good place to come
[04:00] <RadiantFire> apparently, people are here
[04:00] <Jucato> lol :)
[04:00] <Jucato> seele: yeah, in a few hours... :)
[04:00] <seele> Jucato: what time zone are you in?
[04:00] <Jucato> seele: +8 UTC (Philippines)
[04:01] <RadiantFire> anyway, my question is, who do I contact now?
[04:01] <seele> ah hah
[04:02] <jsgotangco> its a good timezone to be in since the other side is just about to finish work
[04:02] <jsgotangco> and another part is about to start working
[04:02] <jsgotangco> :)
[04:03] <Jucato> hehehe :)
[05:04] <mhb> Lure: ping ... you have a minute?
[05:10] <fdoving> wow. debian got diffindexes.
[05:10] <fdoving> Hit http://ftp.se.debian.org etch/main Packages/DiffIndex
[05:20] <Lure> mhb: I am running to catch a bus to udsmtv - can you ping me in in 45 minutes when I get back online
[05:21] <mhb> Lure: sure
[06:16] <Tonio__> hi all
[06:16] <abattoir> hi Tonio__
[06:16] <Jucato> hi Tonio_!
[06:17] <Riddell> beryl developers "we're being hit over a million times a day", must be some bad code to give that sort of violent reaction
[06:24] <Lure> Tonio_: kpowersave svn: https://forgesvn1.novell.com/svn/powersave/trunk
[06:24] <Lure> Tonio_: if you have time to build
[06:45] <mhb> Lure: ping
[06:55] <Riddell> mhb: do you have a list of icons for crystal and oxygen?
[06:56] <mhb> Riddell: I had one, but not anymore ... 
[06:56] <mhb> Riddell: sorry
[06:56] <Riddell> bah
[06:56] <mhb> Riddell: is it urgent?
[06:56] <Riddell> no
[06:56] <mhb> Riddell: I can get you one in a few hours
[06:56] <Riddell> but I know someone had a big webpage with all the crystal icons and oxygen icons side by side
[06:56] <Riddell> and I've no idea who it is
[06:56] <mhb> Riddell: ya, was me
[06:57] <Tonio_> re
[06:57] <Riddell> but that was only the other week, what happened to it?
[06:58] <mhb> Riddell: well I promised the Oxygen folks to implement it into oxygen-icons.org, but I haven't found the time yet ... lazy me
[06:58] <mhb> Riddell: now that you mention it, I really should do it
[06:58] <Riddell> mhb: too early for that, we need to fix the icon naming spec stuff first, that's why I'm asking
[06:58] <Riddell> mhb: don't you still have that webpage?
[06:59] <mhb> Riddell: I guess I do
[06:59] <mhb> Riddell: I'll take a look
[06:59] <mhb> Riddell: 30 mins ... I should update the icons as well
[06:59] <Riddell> mhb: thanks
[07:02] <mhb> Riddell: the page is at http://mhb.ath.cx/projects/oxygen/comparison.php but I need some time to update the Oxygen images from SVN
[07:05] <Riddell> mhb: yes, that was the page
[07:05] <Riddell> mhb: it would be useful to have some context on the icons, like what kde module they are currently in and which app they are in
[07:07] <Riddell> mhb: what do the outlines around some of the icons mean?
[07:07] <mhb> Riddell: I agree... I'll contact the Oxygen folks, see if the other guy did some work on the CMS and add this page to my weekend TODO list
[07:08] <mhb> Riddell: I don't see any outlines
[07:08] <Riddell> mhb: I don't think the oxygen folks care too much, they just want to draw the icons, dudes like you and me have to do the administrata
[07:08] <mhb> Riddell: they had another volunteer to help with the CMS
[07:08] <mhb> Riddell: so I meant him
[07:09] <Riddell> hmm, the whole thing is outlined, I'm sure when I looked at it before only some of them were
[07:11] <mhb> Riddell: I see it now, Konqueror-specific, Firefox displays the whole border of the table
[07:11] <mhb> for some reason the Konqueror border ends at cca 1/3
[07:11] <Riddell> mhb: and starts again lower down
[07:12] <mhb> I see
[07:12] <mhb> it is a CSS-related bug, not a feature
[07:14] <Riddell> mhb: what is the CMS for that page?
[07:14] <mhb> Riddell: this one is a simple PHP code
[07:15] <mhb> Riddell:I wanted to make a Wordpress module out of it, but haven't found the time yet
[07:16] <Riddell> mhb: what would be good is an easily editable table with the crystal icon, the oxygen icon, the crystal name, the icon-name-spec name and a comment
[07:17] <Riddell> and the category
[07:17] <mhb> Riddell: what do you have in mind by easily-editable?
[07:17] <Riddell> mhb: I've no idea, that's my problem
[07:18] <Riddell> mhb: presumably this just looks in a directory for all the crystal icons and oxygen icons with the same name?
[07:18] <mhb> Riddell: it uses mysql, which gets populated by a helper script
[07:19] <Riddell> what's in the database?
[07:20] <mhb> Riddell: basically a table for all the stuff you named (now it's blank) ... just the frontend is missing
[07:20] <Riddell> trouble with doing it on this webpage is its far too big, it takes 5 minutes to load
[07:21] <mhb> Riddell: well, that's my bad connection :o)
[07:21] <mhb> Riddell: I should move it somewhere on a public server
[07:22] <mhb> Riddell: also I plan to make it smaller by listing only one cathegory at a time
[07:22] <MidMark> sebas I have updated steps to reproduce bug #39444, see my last comment
[07:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39444 in kde-guidance "Changing an user's password can change another password for a different user" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39444
[07:32] <Riddell> toma: the journalist dude here asked about the new kde e-mail client
[07:32] <toma> Riddell: what did he ask?
[07:40] <Riddell> toma: I think the implication was whether kmail was so bad that starting from scratch was better
[07:40] <Riddell> mhb: if I give you a list of current name-spec to crystal names can you incorporate them into the database?
[07:41] <gnomefreak> new email client?
[07:42] <fdoving> www.mailody.net
[07:42] <Lure> gnomefreak: http://www.omat.nl/drupal/?q=node/115
[07:42] <gnomefreak> ty
[07:43] <mhb> Riddell: OK, will do 
[07:43] <mhb> Riddell: today later or tomorrow (if it's not urgent)
[07:43] <Lure> toma: btw, any plans for disconnected imap?
[07:44] <Riddell> mhb: nothing is urgent, we just want to get moving with this so it's done in the next few weeks and we can move oxygen into KDE 4 in SVN
[07:44] <Riddell> mhb: oh, the other thing is we want to fill in the gapsin oxygen with icons from monochrome theme so it's obviously a gap but you can see what the icon should be of
[07:45] <Riddell> can we do that in the database too?
[07:45] <mhb> Riddell: no problem, one more column
[07:46] <mhb> Riddell: I need to get the monochrome icons, though
[07:46] <mhb> Riddell: do you a have a set as complete as possible?
[07:46] <Riddell> mhb: what do you mean?  monochrome is the most complete set there is I believe
[07:47] <Riddell> mhb: the monochrome icons are in KDE SVN in the accessibility module
[07:49] <toma> Riddell: if you read the kdepim ml, you can see that some think building from scratch is better. For me the main reason was that I could not a grip on the codebase of kmail.
[07:49] <mhb> Riddell: IIRC most of the Crystal icons are scattered through the apps
[07:49] <toma> Riddell: maybe when i had more experience I would have extended kmail
[07:50] <mhb> Riddell: the Crystal set used in the comparison table is a collection from Ken
[07:50] <Riddell> toma: so this might replace kmail in the longer term?
[07:50] <mhb> Riddell: so I feared monochrome is like that, too
[07:50] <Riddell> mhb: monochrome is all in one place
[07:50] <mhb> Riddell: good to hear. No problem, then.
[07:51] <toma> Riddell: i'm not the one to decide, and mailody lacks a lot of features kmail has
[07:51] <Riddell> mhb: or search kde-look.org for danny allen, he also did a coloured version of monochrome which might be better to use
[07:52] <Lure> hi mbiebl
[07:52] <Riddell> Lure: last day today, anything else we need to cover?
[07:52] <toma> Lure: which part of disconnected imap?
[07:52] <Lure> mbiebl: did you play with new kpowersave already?
[07:52] <mbiebl> Lure: hi
[07:52] <mbiebl> No, not yet.
[07:52] <Lure> toma: being able to have cached e-mails when not connected to imap server
[07:52] <toma> Lure: starting up without connection should be possible, moving stuff and syncing afterwards is not
[07:53] <mbiebl> IIRC it's very much in a flux atm.
[07:53] <toma> Lure: did not try it though ;-)
[07:53] <mbiebl> So I'm not sure if it is already in a usable state.
[07:53] <toma> Lure: you can try, fdoving probably has packages ;-)
[07:53] <Lure> mbiebl: I will try to build it to see how it fits for Ubuntu - we are in plannig phase what to do for edgy
[07:54] <mbiebl> You should maybe contact dannyK then.
[07:54] <mbiebl> I'll guess he can help you better if you encounter problems.
[07:54] <mbiebl> He is around on #powersave and #hal
[07:54] <Lure> mbiebl: I plan to do so, as we will use kpowersave only if they apply some kiss concepts to the UI
[07:57] <Lure> Riddell: nothing on my list
[07:58] <Lure> Riddell: I am on powermgmt session 
[07:58] <Riddell> Lure: mine neither :)
[07:59] <Lure> Riddell: but it is more forward looking than really practical for feisty
[08:03] <fdoving> mailody is my primary mail client. it's nice. :)
[08:03] <Riddell> ooh, tonio's being chatted up in French!
[08:04] <Riddell> when a girl starts talking to you in French you know she fancies you
[08:05] <fdoving> go scare her away, girlfriends are not compatible with hardcore kubuntu developing. :)
[08:06] <gnomefreak> fdoving: i wouldnt mind it if i had IMAP mail. if i just tried the latest version though its not ready for mainstream kde IMO
[08:06] <Riddell> mhb: do you have any easy way of finding out which kde modules thoses icons came from?
[08:06] <mhb> Lure: do you have a minute? Can you explain to me in 2-3 sentences how knetworkmanager will provide the info about disconnects, reconnects, etc?
[08:07] <mhb> Riddell: you mean the Crystal ones? No, because I didn't use any automated tools to get them, Kenneth just sent me a pack
[08:07] <Riddell> mhb: hmm, we really need that
[08:08] <mhb> Riddell: they are a mess
[08:08] <Riddell> mhb: I know
[08:08] <toma> gnomefreak: arguments?
[08:08] <Riddell> mhb: also we need text export (and probably import) for that database
[08:09] <toma> gnomefreak: i mean, saying it because it does not support POP, is a weird argument, as I'm writing a IMAP mailclient
[08:09] <gnomefreak> toma: so this will not replace kmail
[08:10] <mhb> Riddell: that wouldn't be a problem
[08:10] <toma> gnomefreak: it is not written with that in mind
[08:10] <gnomefreak> ok i thought this was going to replace kmail. sorry
[08:10] <toma> gnomefreak: i needed a fast, reliable mailclient
[08:11] <toma> gnomefreak: and to be honest, kmail does not really fit in that categorie when using imap
[08:11] <toma> or is hanging on the edge
[08:12] <Riddell> mhb: oh and it needs fields for crystal icon type and oxygen icon type (action, app, device etc)
[08:12] <fdoving> the two main features i'm missing, is multiple identities, and multiple smtp-servers.  that's it. the latter isn't really a issue once smtp auth is in place. so multiple identities. :)
[08:12] <toma> fdoving: i need multiple identities, so it will be there soon
[08:12] <toma> i just want to have a stable base
[08:13] <fdoving> toma: looking forward to it :)
[08:20] <mhb> Riddell: OK
[08:20] <mhb> Riddell: thank god for automatic logging :o)
[08:20] <Riddell> :)
[08:23] <_Sime_> hi all
[08:24] <seele> Riddell: has kwwii posted the kde pic yet?
[08:25] <Riddell> seele: the group photo?
[08:26] <seele> yeah
[08:26] <Riddell> seele: muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/_DSC8462.JPG
[08:26] <seele> 403
[08:27] <oslo> someone use superkaramba with beryl here ?
[08:27] <Riddell> seele: try now
[08:27] <Riddell> morning _sim	
[08:28] <oslo> i'd like to see 1superkaramba on 4 virtual desk..
[08:28] <Riddell> _sime_
[08:28] <_Sime_> yes
[08:28] <seele> what a freaking huge photo
[08:28] <seele> Riddell: thanks :)
[08:29] <mhb> nice photo
[08:30] <Riddell> that's kwwii's mega huge camera at work
[08:33] <seele> i like how he had to give you the one with sebas groping himself
[08:37] <nixternal> that only took half the day to download
[08:38] <nixternal> i know sebas, Lure, Riddell, imbrandon by photo, but the others i don't...and it seems we have another lady on the team
[08:40] <Hawkwind> Hah, so not a surprise to see a Mt. Dew in imbrandon's hand
[08:40] <nixternal> name tags?
[08:40] <nixternal> i didn't even look..hahah
[08:40] <nixternal> maybe that will answer my question on who everyone else is
[08:41] <Hawkwind> You can't see everyone's name tag though
[08:41] <gnomefreak> only 4 or 5 name tags i was able to see
[08:42] <gnomefreak> _Sime_: a full kde4 or just base/libs
[08:43] <_Sime_> gnomefreak: libs and base running in a very bare Xephyr window.
[08:43] <gnomefreak> ah
[08:44] <gnomefreak> i read somewhere its mainly for developers 
[08:45] <_Sime_> I've compiled it from SVN.
[08:50] <imbrandon> moins
[08:51] <imbrandon> seele: you made it home in one peice !
[08:55] <imbrandon> nixternal: left to right , john trapsell, nuno (sp?) , kwwii, luka, me , seele / celeste , Riddell , Tonio_ , Y......(sp?)  ,sebas 
[08:56] <nixternal> ya, your big head is easy to recognize (hillbilly) ;)
[08:56] <imbrandon> lol
[08:56] <nixternal> hehe
[08:57] <nixternal> i thought that was tonio, just wasn't 100% positive on that
[09:04] <Riddell> seele: try 63.JPG
[09:05] <Riddell> imbrandon: Josef
[09:05] <mhb> Riddell: who's that?
[09:05] <Riddell> the one he had as Y...
[09:05] <imbrandon> Riddell: ahh right, my mistake
[09:06] <Riddell> but it's pronounced as a Y (or so I've learnt)
[09:06] <mhb> Riddell: that spelling is common here in the Czech Rep., so you poked my interest
[09:21] <seele> Riddell: ah ha, that one is so much nicer