=== luis_lopez [n=jabba@68-182-35-174-Public-Marmac-MIPHA.client.eng.telusmobility.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:18] Lure, Riddell, sebas: if the feisty laptop bof canceled? Nobody is in room 209 === alleeHol [n=allee@lapex-allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:36] allee: sorry, we have press here interested for kubuntu and laptop stuff will move [12:37] allee: we will setup voip in another room and get started in 5-10 minutes [12:37] allee: I will ping you when we are ready... [12:37] alleeHol: ^^^ [12:37] Thx! [12:40] allee: call 5008 (room 250) [12:40] k [12:41] tell us if you hear us.... [12:42] I hear something but it stop for a sec, works for a sec [12:42] alleeHol: can you turn the mic off - we get strange echo [12:42] muted [12:42] yes [12:42] fine [12:44] turned off [12:44] yes, no drop [12:44] but I hear you tipping === hollywoodb [n=hollywoo@69.89.195.237] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:50] Tonio_: is case there a laptop next to the micro. Move it a bit away. If there none, forget it [12:52] alleeHol: thereis none afaics === Seveas [i=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=greatwhi@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.179.216] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:30] has anyone updated to nvidia-glx and run into problems? [01:32] if nvidia-glx was updated, should nvidia-kernel-common be updated as well? or is it enough to update linux-restricted-modules? === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.179.216] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:42] Jucato: Pong [01:42] Ermmm...wrong channel actually :P === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.51.188.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.51.188.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@216-220-245-136.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ [i=lure@conference/ubuntuconf/x-36e129b28bc71eab] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=greatwhi@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.179.216] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luis_lopez [n=jabba@ip216-239-77-165.vif.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:48] alleeHol: Eeh, well, there suddenly was a presentation and we all left [02:48] Sorry! :/ [02:50] nite [02:55] oh la la [02:56] haw haw he haw [02:56] je mange des frogs legs [02:56] raw [02:56] O_o === sebas confirms that. [02:57] Not that Tonio_ himself wrote it, but still. === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:23] hmm.. dinner time i guess? === Jucato wonders if they serve chocolates for dessert :) [03:26] google had awesome food [03:26] i had these really soft chocolate cookies with some kind of filling.. mmm [03:26] hm.... :) [03:26] didn't Google serve pizzas in Akademy too? or was that Nokia? (I forgot) [03:27] im not sure, i missed akademy :( [03:27] gsm pizzas? [03:27] lol, better yet [03:27] aw.. :( [03:28] pizzas cooked with cellphone radiation? [03:28] lol [03:28] o_O [03:29] -> #kubuntu-devel-offtopic [03:29] :P [03:29] heh [03:33] *crickets* [03:34] yeah well, I had an ontopic question for Tonio_, but he just left :/ === Jucato chases after tumbleweeds... [03:35] oh dang! I had a question for him, too... === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.92.126] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:35] seele: did you get back ok? [04:38] Riddell: from class? [04:38] im not bleeding or broken so i'd say that is a yes === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.92.126] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:39] a bleeding or broken seele would be a tragedy to KDE... [04:39] Jucato: i know.. poor ellen would have so much work! [04:39] seele: no, from california, I never asked [04:39] Riddell: lol.. well it took a while to get home.. [04:39] after the first delay and the second delay from my flight being cancelled [04:40] we got on the new plane and were on our way to take off and we had emergency maintenance on the field [04:41] so i was 3 hours late getting back, i was supposed to arrive at 6 and we touched down at 9 === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:42] . 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[04:43] O_o [04:43] >_> [04:43] <_< [04:44] ;-) [04:44] ^_^ [04:44] ~_^ === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:44] >^-^< [04:44] it's a face-off [04:44] d-(",)-b === jdong is full of terrible puns [04:51] imbrandon: ping; please consider bug 70529 for edgy [04:51] Malone bug 70529 in edgy-backports "Two patches from upstream SVN" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70529 [04:51] imbrandon: I mean feisty rather! === claydoh [n=clay@216-220-245-136.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:53] Riddell: reminder for edgpy-proposed upload ;-) === shnee [n=CurtyD13@cpe-65-24-168-255.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === shnee_ [n=CurtyD13@cpe-65-24-168-255.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez glomps bddebian === Jucato greets bddebian before he can say anything [06:07] now that's a king's greeting [06:08] Heya gents [06:08] bah [06:08] boo [06:09] heh === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca [n=ryan@d226-26-139.home.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca [n=ryan@d226-26-139.home.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.51.188.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-72.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-72.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === shnee_ [n=CurtyD13@cpe-65-24-168-255.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.51.188.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:32] quiet the night [06:32] konversation == vulnerable to flooding if you didn't notice [06:32] usually is Riddell [06:32] nixternal, unlike xchat ? :P [06:33] nixternal: in what way? [06:33] nixternal, it'd be nice to have a sendq :D [06:33] Riddell, we ust had a botnet flood everyone in #ubuntu with CTCP versions [06:33] because of that, the replys booted them offline [06:33] heh, to say the least [06:33] because konv replied to each request in a prompt manner [06:34] which made them excess flood to the network [06:34] Xchat (and i believe irssi) has a "send queue" [06:34] where it delays the messages if you type a lot at once to make sure you dont flood the network [06:34] well they flooded me off with ctcp requests [06:35] #ubuntu got attacked by a bot [06:35] Bah, gnight gents === Jucato tries to get Sho_'s attention... [06:35] g'night bddebian! [06:35] nixternal, you didnt reply [06:36] there is an "ignore" feature with konversation that allows you to setup a filter, however the "pattern" makes no sense to me [06:36] g'nite bddebian === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:37] Jucato: im in #konversation already [06:37] Riddell, how big a pita would it be to code that into konv? [06:37] ey [06:37] ah. he didn't reply in #kde [06:37] did you ctcp me? [06:37] who? me? [06:37] nixternal, I did [06:37] ah :) [06:38] nixternal, lol - want me to grab nate into the conversation too ? [06:39] and no reply [06:39] woohoo [06:39] i figured that bugger out then [06:39] and maybe we should set that as a default then for konversationrc? [06:39] Pattern == * [06:39] Checked CTCP [06:40] and now i don't reply ;) [06:41] :) [06:41] my lord 4s lag right now [06:42] 0.2s lag] === sredna [n=anders@kde/developer/alund] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:51] Mez: code what? [06:53] Riddell, a network send queue [06:53] I have no idea, you'd need to ask a konversation developer [07:04] it is funny how one of the oldest floods in the book, is still around after more than 15 years [07:05] and to think, konversation fell victim ;( === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:06] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyLaptop ready for review [07:11] Lure: 67889 uploaded [07:12] Riddell: thanks [07:13] thank you, appologies for the delay === Riddell sets kubuntu-ubiquity-migration-assistant to Review [07:16] Lure: KubuntuFeistyLaptop is fine but it's 100% lists [07:16] Lure: you should write in prose not lists for specs almost all the time [07:16] Riddell: I am not good at prose... ;-) [07:17] sure you are [07:17] what about rhyming cuplets? :) [07:17] Riddell: and I have copied structure from ZeroConfNetwroking [07:17] Lure: only thing missing is to document on the very last point why we are not porting to qt 4 yet [07:17] Riddell: will do [07:18] haha [07:18] All specs in iambic pentameter please === sredna [n=anders@kde/developer/alund] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:21] I know some kubuntu packages have "Hidden=true" or "NoDisplay=true" in their respective .desktop files, but it is improper (especially for a game) to have a /usr/share/menu/ entry yet no .desktop file (hence no menu entry), correct? [07:22] hollywoodb: sounds like a bug [07:22] Riddell: well, filed, I was just making sure I didn't miss something... knetwalk game suffers exactly that [07:24] hollywoodb: is there a .desktop file for it in the source? [07:24] Riddell: the actual source as if I downloaded it from the project's homepage? I haven't actually checked. [07:25] do apt-get source knetwalk [07:26] Riddell: will take a couple minutes, its part of kdegames, which is ~12.5MB on my connection [07:30] hollywoodb@milan:~/kdegames-3.5.5$ grep desktop */*/* | grep knet ----> knetwalk/src/Makefile.in ----> knetwalk.desktop [07:30] there's no file, but its specified in makefile [07:31] Riddell: followed by: knetwalk/src/SConscript:myenv.KDEinstall('KDEXDG', '', 'knetwalk.desktop') [07:32] I'm not going to pretend to have a deep understanding of makefiles [07:33] bit knetwalk/src/knetwalk.desktop doesn't exist? [07:33] s/bit/but/ [07:34] Riddell: correct, there's no file, its only specified in SConscript and Makefile.in [07:34] crazy [07:35] hollywoodb: well next step is to create a .desktop file, then we can just slip it in [07:36] Riddell: I can write a .desktop... but I've no idea how to handle the 25 lines of non-english language for Name, Comment, and GenericName [07:38] hollywoodb: that's not important, they'll get filled in by the translators [07:39] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyNetworking ready for review [07:40] Riddell: well, I'll append relevant info from this discussion and attach and english-only .desktop to the bug then, thanks [07:44] Riddell: whenever you are ready for an updated kubuntu-docs package let me know...im working out some more minor kinks and what not...the firefox startpage is a pita though, as a temp fix would be to use the redirect, but i would have to --set it in postinst in order to get it to work correctly..like imbrandon did with kubuntu-usplash [07:45] Lure: looks good === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:48] nixternal: there must be a way to replace the existing update-alternative option with a new value, without having to explicity steal the alternative with --set [07:49] i have added a remove in both the prerm and first in postinst, and it isntalls and, even says that the redirect is the best option, but it doesn't change the firefox-homepage link [07:52] Riddell: bug 70264 if you're interested ;) [07:52] Malone bug 70264 in kdegames "knetwalk does not have a .desktop file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/70264 [07:52] Riddell: I dropped the .desktop in ~/.local/share/applications/ and am giving it worksforme status ;) === Riddell sleeps [07:55] night Riddell! [07:55] how would I find out if a package has a maintainer? [08:09] alright, I found the maintainer I was looking for... Steffen J. [08:09] how do I find if he's still active? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rideout [n=rideout@71-208-32-178.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cain_ [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cain_ [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === |joe| [n=joe@p549442FA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:05] <|joe|> hi [09:05] hey |joe| [09:06] Hobbsee!!! [09:06] Jucato!!! === Jucato wants to throw some chocolate over at Hobbsee [09:06] <|joe|> has anyone seen freeflying recently? [09:07] flying around I guess... [09:07] <|joe|> choc again, oh no [09:07] |joe|: a couple of days ago? [09:07] !seen freeflying [09:07] hehe [09:07] I last saw freeflying (i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying) 48m 14s ago, quiting: Remote closed the connection [09:07] ah, he was here [09:07] lol... parked nick [09:07] <|joe|> great [09:07] mmm...chocolate [09:07] <|joe|> too late [09:07] <|joe|> Hobbsee: do you actually like the sweet one or the bitter one [09:08] ...there's sweet and bitter chocolate? [09:09] bitter/black chocolate [09:09] <|joe|> hmmm ... well at least in europe :) the sweet one is called milk choc [09:09] ahh. milk chocolate, yeah :) === Hobbsee isnt into dark chocolate much [09:09] <|joe|> ok milk/dark, now i know === Jucato loves white chocoloate most of all [09:10] not a great fan of white chocolate, although bits of it are good [09:10] <|joe|> as i was in the choc museum we bought two dark bars - one 100% cacao, the other one with over 80% and chilli and stuff [09:10] ick === Jucato wonders if there is Kit Kat white chocolate in other countries... [09:11] <|joe|> Jucato: i think i saw something like that here though i'm not sure [09:12] that's my current favorite === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _Sime_ [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cain_ [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:45] <|joe|> what does usually happen with no longer actively maintained and buggy sw? [09:52] |joe|: in debian or ubuntu? [09:52] <|joe|> Hobbsee: ubuntu [09:53] |joe|: got a particular example? [09:53] <|joe|> Hobbsee: i found out knet is totally broken in edgy [09:53] if it gets removed from sid, then it gets removed from ubuntu [09:53] !info knet edgy [09:53] knet: The Knet is a frontend to pppd.. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6beta1-1ubuntu9 (edgy), package size 1017 kB, installed size 1584 kB [09:53] i thought i merged that a while ago [09:53] |joe|: how so? [09:53] <|joe|> Hobbsee: i already filled two bug reports and fixed it locally [09:54] <|joe|> Hobbsee: but it is no longer actively maintained, so the only options seems fixing in ubuntu via patches [09:54] |joe|: you could always make the fix to get it into the repos [09:55] |joe|: what's the fix for https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/knet/+bug/71196 ? [09:55] Malone bug 71196 in knet "knet failes to connect, incorrect chap-secrets" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [09:55] <|joe|> Hobbsee: ok now it were rather small fixes but if it should be smtng bigger [09:55] <|joe|> Hobbsee: hey wait, i'm not that fast, i just unpacked the .orig.tar.gz :) [09:56] |joe|: ahh [09:59] |joe|: the first one is easy, but i'm not sure how to fix the second [10:01] <|joe|> Hobbsee: attached === Hobbsee looks for someone more knowledgable to look at that [10:04] <|joe|> Hobbsee: freeflying patched the 2.4.4b1 previously so i was looking for him [10:04] ahhh [10:05] <|joe|> Hobbsee: but the chap-secrets got broken probably in edgy, i think the pppd was exchanged, wasn't it? [10:05] no idea [10:05] <|joe|> it's actually the only "nicer" gui for pppoe in kde [10:05] :) [10:05] <|joe|> Jucato: ! :) [10:06] <|joe|> i know === Jucato remembers asking about KNet in the first kubuntu meeting he ever attended... (or was it before...) [10:07] <|joe|> well the network connectivity could be actually better in kubuntu [10:07] does it work, though? [10:08] i hear that knm will be made default this time around [10:08] Hobbsee: it's old, and unmaintained afaik [10:08] <|joe|> Hobbsee: what's knm? knetworkmanager? [10:08] Hobbsee: will knm also handle ADSL PPPoE? [10:08] <|joe|> afaik nothing handles currently pppoe except of knet and kwlan [10:09] <|joe|> though i found some frontend to pon/poff as well [10:09] <|joe|> but eg proxy settings are real pain as well === Jucato wonders what rp-pppoe is... [10:10] <|joe|> i was trying to set a system-wide proxy on a friend's notebook and ended up editing /etc/profile manually [10:11] <|joe|> and setting one thousand applications to use the environment settings [10:11] |joe|: yep [10:11] Jucato: no idea. probably not [10:11] Jucato: i think they were talking about doing that eventually === Jucato hopes that eventually == really soon... [10:12] <|joe|> this could be actually part of knetworkconf [10:12] <|joe|> i imagine knetworkconf handling what it already does +system-wide proxies +ppp and profiles (incl ppp and proxy settings) [10:14] Jucato: start coding [10:14] |joe|: knet == knetworkconf? [10:14] Hobbsee: don't you mean "start learning"? :P [10:14] <|joe|> no [10:14] Hobbsee: no [10:14] :) [10:14] Jucato: what's it in? c++? [10:14] we need something better than wlassistant, anyway [10:14] <|joe|> i think knetworkconf is the "network" in kubuntu's system setting isn't it? [10:14] ahh [10:14] KNet? I'm not sure though... [10:14] yep [10:14] <|joe|> knet is c++ [10:15] Jucato: knm [10:15] ah.. hm... [10:16] <|joe|> well i could help as well, but gui is not actually what i'm keen on [10:17] <|joe|> some backends etc would be possible [10:17] <|joe|> and firstly i want to get kdetv running correctly on my machine ;-) [10:17] Hobbsee: I'm presuming C++, since the source code comes in .cpp :) [10:17] yep [10:18] mmm...kdetv...i remember modifying that, once [10:18] |joe|: what do you code? [10:19] <|joe|> Hobbsee: what do you mean? apps/langs/... [10:20] both [10:20] <|joe|> heh [10:21] <|joe|> well i'm a working person so i don't have that much free time to code, and i don't want to spend 12hrs a day begind a crt/lcd [10:21] <|joe|> so regarding oss usually only fixing bugs === cain_ [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:21] <|joe|> langs c/c++/java recently perl [10:22] wow. that's a lot :) [10:22] any, gotta go :) === Jucato needs to stretch his legs :P [10:22] <|joe|> and at work .... mostly car head units, one could say [10:23] nice :) [10:26] <|joe|> now i'm actually on a forced vacation, otherwise i couldn't be here this time [10:26] hehe :) [10:27] there's plenty of stuff to hack on, if you want to do it [10:27] as well as upstream kde, if that's your interest === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:35] <|joe|> well i'm not sure what i want to start with ... now i'm quite happy fixing bugs that annoy me :) [10:37] :D [10:37] |joe|: and getting the fixes into feisty, hopefully [10:37] <|joe|> yeah [10:38] <|joe|> btw i was just thinking about this stuff with backports [10:38] <|joe|> are these backports actually something "official"? [10:39] <|joe|> you know if such broken packages get into new release it's not nice that they get only fixed in the next release [10:39] <|joe|> and eg i personally don't know if using all backports is "safe" [10:40] jdong does them. usually he doesnt break things [10:40] |joe|: there's a thing called a SRU (stable release update) - and stuff that's severely broken tends to go thru them into -updates [10:40] |joe|: of course, fixing one part can break another, so everything has to be pretty carefully done [10:41] <|joe|> Hobbsee: and who takes care of the sru? [10:41] !sru [10:41] sru is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [10:41] oh, there you go, there is a link for it [10:41] <|joe|> ah, lazy me :) [10:41] whoever's requesting it :P === Hobbsee notes that she has no motivation to do mergs [10:47] *merges [10:48] merges good. [10:49] hmmm, kid3 looks eaxy [10:49] crimsun: can you look thru that gnunet merge in -motu - iv'e got no real knowledge of it [10:49] please :) [10:49] sometime [11:02] <|joe|> hm if mez now filled request to get knights into backports, should i request it into sru as well or am i going to get kicked? :) [11:02] probably not [11:02] but i've got no idea if it will happen [11:02] uh, why would you SRU it if it's already going to backports? 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[03:29] Howdy Jucato === marseillai_ [n=cyril@AMarseille-256-1-114-98.w90-4.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@unaffiliated/radiantfire] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:59] sorry to pester, but I have figured out what I think is a solution to bug 64841 against wlassistant [03:59] Malone bug 64841 in wlassistant "wireless assisant does not connect in edgy" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/64841 [03:59] Jucato: do you ever sleep? [04:00] haha [04:00] he tries not to [04:00] if anyone is here, I figured out how to change to code to make it work, but I'm not sure what to do with it now, so i figured this would be a good place to come [04:00] apparently, people are here [04:00] lol :) [04:00] seele: yeah, in a few hours... :) [04:00] Jucato: what time zone are you in? [04:00] seele: +8 UTC (Philippines) [04:01] anyway, my question is, who do I contact now? [04:01] ah hah [04:02] its a good timezone to be in since the other side is just about to finish work [04:02] and another part is about to start working [04:02] :) [04:03] hehehe :) === Lure [n=lure@38.99.84.33] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=greatwhi@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@216-220-245-136.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar [n=ingmar@vpna065.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:04] Lure: ping ... you have a minute? [05:10] wow. debian got diffindexes. 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[06:17] beryl developers "we're being hit over a million times a day", must be some bad code to give that sort of violent reaction [06:24] Tonio_: kpowersave svn: https://forgesvn1.novell.com/svn/powersave/trunk [06:24] Tonio_: if you have time to build === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:45] Lure: ping [06:55] mhb: do you have a list of icons for crystal and oxygen? [06:56] Riddell: I had one, but not anymore ... [06:56] Riddell: sorry [06:56] bah [06:56] Riddell: is it urgent? [06:56] no [06:56] Riddell: I can get you one in a few hours [06:56] but I know someone had a big webpage with all the crystal icons and oxygen icons side by side === Tonio_ [i=tonio@conference/ubuntuconf/x-36629b79bdf1c0fd] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:56] and I've no idea who it is [06:56] Riddell: ya, was me [06:57] re [06:57] but that was only the other week, what happened to it? [06:58] Riddell: well I promised the Oxygen folks to implement it into oxygen-icons.org, but I haven't found the time yet ... lazy me [06:58] Riddell: now that you mention it, I really should do it === apokryphos [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:58] mhb: too early for that, we need to fix the icon naming spec stuff first, that's why I'm asking [06:58] mhb: don't you still have that webpage? [06:59] Riddell: I guess I do [06:59] Riddell: I'll take a look [06:59] Riddell: 30 mins ... I should update the icons as well [06:59] mhb: thanks [07:02] Riddell: the page is at http://mhb.ath.cx/projects/oxygen/comparison.php but I need some time to update the Oxygen images from SVN === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [i=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:05] mhb: yes, that was the page [07:05] mhb: it would be useful to have some context on the icons, like what kde module they are currently in and which app they are in [07:07] mhb: what do the outlines around some of the icons mean? [07:07] Riddell: I agree... I'll contact the Oxygen folks, see if the other guy did some work on the CMS and add this page to my weekend TODO list [07:08] Riddell: I don't see any outlines [07:08] mhb: I don't think the oxygen folks care too much, they just want to draw the icons, dudes like you and me have to do the administrata [07:08] Riddell: they had another volunteer to help with the CMS [07:08] Riddell: so I meant him [07:09] hmm, the whole thing is outlined, I'm sure when I looked at it before only some of them were [07:11] Riddell: I see it now, Konqueror-specific, Firefox displays the whole border of the table === MidMark [n=marco@host-84-220-99-167.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:11] for some reason the Konqueror border ends at cca 1/3 [07:11] mhb: and starts again lower down [07:12] I see [07:12] it is a CSS-related bug, not a feature [07:14] mhb: what is the CMS for that page? === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.179.216] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [07:14] Riddell: this one is a simple PHP code [07:15] Riddell:I wanted to make a Wordpress module out of it, but haven't found the time yet [07:16] mhb: what would be good is an easily editable table with the crystal icon, the oxygen icon, the crystal name, the icon-name-spec name and a comment [07:17] and the category [07:17] Riddell: what do you have in mind by easily-editable? [07:17] mhb: I've no idea, that's my problem [07:18] mhb: presumably this just looks in a directory for all the crystal icons and oxygen icons with the same name? [07:18] Riddell: it uses mysql, which gets populated by a helper script [07:19] what's in the database? [07:20] Riddell: basically a table for all the stuff you named (now it's blank) ... just the frontend is missing === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:20] trouble with doing it on this webpage is its far too big, it takes 5 minutes to load [07:21] Riddell: well, that's my bad connection :o) [07:21] Riddell: I should move it somewhere on a public server [07:22] Riddell: also I plan to make it smaller by listing only one cathegory at a time [07:22] sebas I have updated steps to reproduce bug #39444, see my last comment [07:22] Malone bug 39444 in kde-guidance "Changing an user's password can change another password for a different user" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/39444 === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:32] toma: the journalist dude here asked about the new kde e-mail client [07:32] Riddell: what did he ask? === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:40] toma: I think the implication was whether kmail was so bad that starting from scratch was better [07:40] mhb: if I give you a list of current name-spec to crystal names can you incorporate them into the database? [07:41] new email client? [07:42] www.mailody.net [07:42] gnomefreak: http://www.omat.nl/drupal/?q=node/115 [07:42] ty [07:43] Riddell: OK, will do [07:43] Riddell: today later or tomorrow (if it's not urgent) [07:43] toma: btw, any plans for disconnected imap? [07:44] mhb: nothing is urgent, we just want to get moving with this so it's done in the next few weeks and we can move oxygen into KDE 4 in SVN [07:44] mhb: oh, the other thing is we want to fill in the gapsin oxygen with icons from monochrome theme so it's obviously a gap but you can see what the icon should be of [07:45] can we do that in the database too? [07:45] Riddell: no problem, one more column [07:46] Riddell: I need to get the monochrome icons, though [07:46] Riddell: do you a have a set as complete as possible? [07:46] mhb: what do you mean? monochrome is the most complete set there is I believe [07:47] mhb: the monochrome icons are in KDE SVN in the accessibility module [07:49] Riddell: if you read the kdepim ml, you can see that some think building from scratch is better. For me the main reason was that I could not a grip on the codebase of kmail. [07:49] Riddell: IIRC most of the Crystal icons are scattered through the apps [07:49] Riddell: maybe when i had more experience I would have extended kmail [07:50] Riddell: the Crystal set used in the comparison table is a collection from Ken [07:50] toma: so this might replace kmail in the longer term? [07:50] Riddell: so I feared monochrome is like that, too [07:50] mhb: monochrome is all in one place [07:50] Riddell: good to hear. No problem, then. [07:51] Riddell: i'm not the one to decide, and mailody lacks a lot of features kmail has [07:51] mhb: or search kde-look.org for danny allen, he also did a coloured version of monochrome which might be better to use === mbiebl [n=michael@e180112241.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === shnee_ [n=CurtyD13@cpe-65-24-168-255.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:52] hi mbiebl [07:52] Lure: last day today, anything else we need to cover? [07:52] Lure: which part of disconnected imap? [07:52] mbiebl: did you play with new kpowersave already? [07:52] Lure: hi [07:52] No, not yet. [07:52] toma: being able to have cached e-mails when not connected to imap server [07:52] Lure: starting up without connection should be possible, moving stuff and syncing afterwards is not [07:53] IIRC it's very much in a flux atm. [07:53] Lure: did not try it though ;-) [07:53] So I'm not sure if it is already in a usable state. [07:53] Lure: you can try, fdoving probably has packages ;-) [07:53] mbiebl: I will try to build it to see how it fits for Ubuntu - we are in plannig phase what to do for edgy [07:54] You should maybe contact dannyK then. [07:54] I'll guess he can help you better if you encounter problems. [07:54] He is around on #powersave and #hal [07:54] mbiebl: I plan to do so, as we will use kpowersave only if they apply some kiss concepts to the UI [07:57] Riddell: nothing on my list [07:58] Riddell: I am on powermgmt session [07:58] Lure: mine neither :) [07:59] Riddell: but it is more forward looking than really practical for feisty === gnomefreak just tried mailody and found that its only for IMAP and the configure settings need to have more stuff in them like a way to use gpg pop so on === Seveas [i=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:03] mailody is my primary mail client. it's nice. :) [08:03] ooh, tonio's being chatted up in French! [08:04] when a girl starts talking to you in French you know she fancies you [08:05] go scare her away, girlfriends are not compatible with hardcore kubuntu developing. :) [08:06] fdoving: i wouldnt mind it if i had IMAP mail. if i just tried the latest version though its not ready for mainstream kde IMO [08:06] mhb: do you have any easy way of finding out which kde modules thoses icons came from? [08:06] Lure: do you have a minute? Can you explain to me in 2-3 sentences how knetworkmanager will provide the info about disconnects, reconnects, etc? [08:07] Riddell: you mean the Crystal ones? No, because I didn't use any automated tools to get them, Kenneth just sent me a pack [08:07] mhb: hmm, we really need that [08:08] Riddell: they are a mess [08:08] mhb: I know [08:08] gnomefreak: arguments? [08:08] mhb: also we need text export (and probably import) for that database === Lure_ [i=lure@conference/ubuntuconf/x-a3f8579041292817] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:09] gnomefreak: i mean, saying it because it does not support POP, is a weird argument, as I'm writing a IMAP mailclient [08:09] toma: so this will not replace kmail [08:10] Riddell: that wouldn't be a problem [08:10] gnomefreak: it is not written with that in mind [08:10] ok i thought this was going to replace kmail. sorry [08:10] gnomefreak: i needed a fast, reliable mailclient [08:11] gnomefreak: and to be honest, kmail does not really fit in that categorie when using imap [08:11] or is hanging on the edge [08:12] mhb: oh and it needs fields for crystal icon type and oxygen icon type (action, app, device etc) === gnomefreak never used an email that used imap. dont even know where to find them lol. [08:12] the two main features i'm missing, is multiple identities, and multiple smtp-servers. that's it. the latter isn't really a issue once smtp auth is in place. so multiple identities. :) === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:12] fdoving: i need multiple identities, so it will be there soon [08:12] i just want to have a stable base [08:13] toma: looking forward to it :) === toma is now known as toma_ [08:20] Riddell: OK [08:20] Riddell: thank god for automatic logging :o) [08:20] :) === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ is now known as Lure [08:23] <_Sime_> hi all [08:24] Riddell: has kwwii posted the kde pic yet? === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:25] seele: the group photo? === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:26] yeah [08:26] seele: muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/_DSC8462.JPG [08:26] 403 [08:27] someone use superkaramba with beryl here ? [08:27] seele: try now [08:27] morning _sim [08:28] i'd like to see 1superkaramba on 4 virtual desk.. [08:28] _sime_ [08:28] <_Sime_> yes [08:28] what a freaking huge photo [08:28] Riddell: thanks :) [08:29] nice photo === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:30] that's kwwii's mega huge camera at work [08:33] i like how he had to give you the one with sebas groping himself === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _Sime_ has a compiled and working kde 4 (in a window) === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:37] that only took half the day to download [08:38] i know sebas, Lure, Riddell, imbrandon by photo, but the others i don't...and it seems we have another lady on the team === gnomefreak only knew 2 without looking at name tags [08:40] Hah, so not a surprise to see a Mt. Dew in imbrandon's hand [08:40] name tags? [08:40] i didn't even look..hahah [08:40] maybe that will answer my question on who everyone else is [08:41] You can't see everyone's name tag though [08:41] only 4 or 5 name tags i was able to see [08:42] _Sime_: a full kde4 or just base/libs [08:43] <_Sime_> gnomefreak: libs and base running in a very bare Xephyr window. [08:43] ah === gnomefreak still wonders why kde4base is in repos [08:44] i read somewhere its mainly for developers [08:45] <_Sime_> I've compiled it from SVN. === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:50] moins [08:51] seele: you made it home in one peice ! 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