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malcckiko: The attack vector is, my build compromises the environment used for the next build, so the next build (for somebody else's PPA) is compromised and contains my evil code12:15
kikomalcc, you mean the chroot? isn't that transfered to the box? or something else?12:15
kikoor do you mean breaking out of the chroot is possible?12:16
malccYes, with root access you can break the chroot12:16
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kikommm12:16
kikoIC12:16
malccPossibly even without root access. I didn't stop to get all the details, I'm not a security expert, I just know enough to listen when they tell me what they need12:16
SteveAbreaking out of a chroot when you're not root involves getting to be root first12:17
SteveAbut, seeing as local root exploits are patched less quickly than for example remote ones12:17
SteveAit's still something to keep in mind12:18
kikoSteveA, this is a buildd..12:18
kikoso local root is something malicious code doesn't have to do rocket science to get12:18
kikoBjornT, stub, what's the LP spec for the bug reporting tool, LP side?12:19
kikocarlos, can you tell me what you think of this latest round of discussions on language teams?12:21
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SteveAstub: ping12:23
BjornTkiko: pitti has had a look at initial-cve-tracking now, so you can approve it12:24
SteveAit's 12.30am here.  I want to talk with mpt before I go to sleep.12:24
SteveAanyone at UDS able to help me with this?12:24
kikoBjornT, rock on.12:24
BjornTkiko: SupportingBugReportingTool12:24
SteveAalso, stub, I'd like to check how beta.lp.net is going12:24
carloskiko: I only was at https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/unifying-loco-resources-with-launchpad12:24
carloskiko: the others were Drafting sessions12:25
kikocarlos, hmmm. wasn't there a specific language teams discussion?12:25
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carlosstuart already told you that it was deprecated12:25
jordicarlos: I can't find the sql statement neneded to change the owner of a translation group12:25
srf21cHowdy.  Was wondering if it's possible to edit your own comments on the ubuntu launchpad site?12:26
jordicarlos: can you tell me or mail stub directly with the necessary to make silva translators owned by "thisfred"?12:26
carlosand I think I said here also that mdz said that they will handle it outside launchpad, and once they have the set of data that they need they will see what could be implemented in launchpad....12:26
srf21cwould like to clarify a post of mine.12:26
carlosjordi: sure12:26
carlosjordi: please, send me an email so I don't forget it...12:26
kikocarlos, I am confused. we have a real issue with language teams today, which is raging on rosetta-users and launchpad-users, and you tell me "the spec is deprecated"?12:27
stubSteveA: I think Znarl was doing the mirroring I needed earlier today, but the rt job has not yet been closed.12:27
carloskiko: first12:27
jordicarlos: sure12:28
BjornTSteveA: i can't find mpt anywhere12:28
malccSteveA: I just gave mpt a physical ping12:28
malccHmm, that didn't quite come out how it sounded in my head12:28
carloswe don't have such spec but an informal meeting with one of the Esperanto guys12:28
SteveAmalcc: thanks12:28
carlossecond12:28
SteveAstub: ok.  I'm going to add a beta testers team to production now12:29
malccAt least I think that was mpt, all the nametag swapping is getting out of hand12:29
SteveAand also, I'll shortly be landing all the new vhosts12:29
carloskiko: as far as I know, the people that are participating on the mailing list about this issue aren't here12:29
carlosso12:29
stubSure12:29
carlosunless you want that I have a meeting with myself....12:29
SteveAso please check that we're fine with starting to use these12:29
carlosis a bit difficult to reach something12:29
carloskiko: we have already a set of improvements to finish/implement12:29
carlosfrom what we talked with the Tim by email12:30
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carlosand also, I still have some pending email from that thread, which I cannot handle due other tasks at UDS...12:30
kikocarlos, mmkay. I'm sure we could discuss these things better, though. I guess I'll just call a redux for the allhands.12:30
mptSteveA, pong12:31
carloskiko: sure, but I don't think we should define a bunch of changes for it now and the take a lot of time to implement them and see how they went12:31
carloskiko: I think we should finish the mechanisms that we already defined or agreed on implement12:31
kikocarlos, the "take a lot of time to implement" think is something we need to address regardless.12:31
SteveAhi mpt 12:31
carlosand get feedback on those and keep defining new ones if we see are needed12:32
carloskiko: sure12:32
kikoanyway12:32
kikook.12:32
carloskiko: but handling more than three, four things at the same time doesn't help a lot there12:33
carlosor saying it more clear... we have limited resources...12:33
carlossaid that, with danilo on board, we are now handling more things and it's starting to go faster...12:34
UbugtuNew bug: #71159 in launchpad "No way to not schedule a spec that's in Drafting state" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7115912:36
kikomalcc, I'm interested in Xen for a moment. does this mean no powerpc PPAs?12:37
malcckiko: Yes12:37
kikohmmm.12:38
kikok12:38
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kikoBjornT, stub, what's the LP spec for the bug reporting tool, LP side?12:49
kikoBjornT, found it: https://features.launchpad.net/products/malone/+spec/support-bug-reporting-tool12:52
kikoBjornT, I'm going to reassign to stub12:52
kikoBjornT, he can bounce it back to you12:52
stubta12:55
kikojust so we know what it's about12:55
BjornTok12:57
kikoflacoste, ping again01:01
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kikosalgado, ping?01:09
kikosalgado, https://launchpad.canonical.com/SupportingBugReportingTool has some stuff on token redirects. can you check that it is feasible?01:10
kikobasically preserving GET parameters.01:10
SteveApreserving query strings in tokens?01:12
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BjornTkiko: bug 7080701:13
UbugtuMalone bug 70807 in launchpad "Properly redirect people when creating new accounts" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7080701:13
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kikoBjornT, mmmm.01:15
SteveAkiko: I'm not keen on preserving arbitrary query parameters01:16
SteveAI'd suggest an alternative:01:16
SteveA ...gedit/+filebug?info=1234 changes to ...gedit/+filebug/info=1234 or just ...gedit/+filebug/123401:16
kikoSteveA, really? hidden issue?01:17
SteveAwhat are you asking?01:17
kikowhy you are not keen on it, SteveA 01:18
SteveAa few reasons01:18
SteveA - I've seen complexity in preserving GET query params in our login forms already01:18
SteveA - it makes forms more complicated, because they need to deal with GET vs POST data in the same namespace01:19
SteveA - it may open XSS vectors we haven't consider01:19
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SteveAif all we need to do is preserve that one piece of information, I'd say do it as part of the URL01:19
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kikoSteveA, hmmm. if we allowed traversal on +filebug we could avoid this completely01:20
kikoI guess01:20
kiko+filebug/blob/1233101:20
SteveAit's easy enough to make a page deal with stuff that goes after it01:20
SteveAwell, I know the right magic anyway01:20
kikoI just want salgado not be blocked on this when he comes to it01:20
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kikommm01:47
kikoI don't know how to comment on specs01:47
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lifelesskiko-fud: you cant comment on specs in lp, need to do it in the wiki02:28
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SteveAstub: I updated LaunchpadProductionStatus with some details about the vhosting changes.  There's an RT request needed to avoid breaking links when this gets rolled out.02:32
carloskiko-fud: around?02:35
lifelessSteveA: is your pqm stuff working ?02:38
lifelessstub: the oops count doubled yesterday, did we do a rollout or change anything ?02:40
stubThat would be the rollout stuffup I emailed launchpad mailing list about02:44
stubProb lots of timeouts02:44
lifelessokies02:49
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BHSPitMonkeyhi all07:59
BHSPitMonkeyis there any resource for getting a GPG key set up? I really am not sure of the specifics, here.08:06
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mdkeBHSPitMonkey: yeah, hang on a tic09:37
mdkehttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto09:37
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kikohey SteveA 02:47
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jameshkiko: btw, there is a fmt:break-long-words formatter in rocketfuel now03:11
kikojamesh, you think I didn't notice? many many thanks03:12
flacostekiko: pong03:16
flacostelatency sucks03:16
kikoflacoste, mmm, not sure I remember anymore what I wanted to talk to you about.03:16
kikomaybe I emailed you03:16
flacosteok, ping back if you remember03:17
kikook03:17
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kikohey malcc!03:53
malccMorning03:56
kikohow's it hanging there03:56
malccI'm pretty pleased it's friday.03:57
malccSix 9am - 6:30pm days in a row is a lot03:57
malcczzz03:57
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kikompt, what do you think of https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/7123304:17
UbugtuMalone bug 71233 in launchpad "Merge various distribution and product role edit pages into a +roles page." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  04:17
kikomalcc, or you, what dya think?04:25
UbugtuNew bug: #71233 in launchpad "Merge various distribution and product role edit pages into a +roles page." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7123304:25
malcckiko: Looks sane from here, but I've managed so far not to learn much about permissions and roles in launchpad04:26
lifelessmorning04:29
kikoyawning04:29
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mptkiko, that's what I meant when I said last week that Launchpad has far too many pages :-)05:05
mptI agree with that bug05:05
mptActually I reported one earlier about having one page for all your Malone customizations05:05
mptone for your Rosetta customizations05:05
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mpt... one for your Rosetta customizations05:06
mptetc05:06
kikompt, I don't think a single +roles page is bad.. people have a hard time finding action items that are tied to facets that are not the overview facet05:07
kikoand I don't think it's just a function of having bad navigation05:07
kikoSteveA, ping05:07
SteveAkiko: hi05:09
kikohi there05:09
kikohow is the weather05:09
SteveAok05:09
SteveAso, the 1.0 ui05:09
kikoyes05:10
kikothe fabled 1.0 UI05:10
SteveAmark is displeased with the 1.0 beta ui05:10
SteveAas it stands currently implemented05:10
kikoor so we hear05:11
SteveAbut this is really between mark, usman and mpt05:12
SteveAin my opinion05:12
SteveAwe're about to roll out the app domains05:12
SteveAmpt is blocking me on the menus because he reverted what I had05:13
SteveAand mark used a lot of mpt's implementation time in doing mockups for more pages05:13
kikoimmmm05:13
kiko-?05:13
kiko->05:13
SteveAso, I think we need more mpt time to get this done05:14
kiko*** -?05:14
SteveAas I'm not really competent to actually do ui implementation05:14
SteveAbut, mpt has limited time, and there's still a lot of actual text to be updated in template05:15
SteveAalthough, getting more help text will help too... and that's been landing recently05:16
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kikohey salgado 05:22
kiko38 is pretty low in the CIDR scheme05:22
salgadohi kiko05:22
kikoI don't think I've ever been below the 70s05:22
kikoBjornT, ping05:27
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kikoBjornT, ping05:31
BjornTkiko: pong05:32
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kikoBjornT, please make sure you talk to mark to get his status notes today, okay? don't let that drop or I am toast 05:40
BjornTkiko: yeah, i'll make sure to do that today.05:43
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flacostekiko: ping05:57
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flacostesalgado: ping06:13
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salgadohi flacoste 06:14
flacostehi salgado, how's UDS?06:14
salgadoflacoste, it's fine... how are things on your side?06:15
flacostefine, ready to leave for SF tomorrow, and I hope to put the last bits of localized-requests up for review today06:16
flacostesalgado: and I wanted to discuss the search feature with you06:16
flacosteI find that the 'English/Preferred Languages/Any Language" radio choices takes too much screen estate06:17
salgadoyeah, that is true06:18
flacostei thought about an alternative: by default always display requests in English and in the user's preferred language06:18
flacosteand put a small checkbox called 'All Languages'06:18
flacosteAlso, put a notice stating which languages are displayed with link to the 'Preferred Languages' page to choose other06:19
flacosteI was also thinking of displaying that notice if not all languages were displayed06:19
flacostefor example, if there are only tickets in English, don't display the notice06:20
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flacosteanother possibility: when there are tickets in many languages: display one checkbox for each available (horizontally like for status) with default selection to 'English' + preferred languages06:21
flacostewhat do you think of these salgado?06:21
flacoste(kiko: do you have an opinion on the above?)06:22
salgadoflacoste, so, with the first suggestion the notice would be displayed by default and would be removed if the 'All Languages' checkbox was checked?06:23
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flacostesalgado: the notice would be remove if the 'All Languages' checkbox is checked or if we effectively display all languages (because there are only tickets in English or the user's preferred languages)06:24
kikoim on the phone help06:24
UbugtuNew bug: #71244 in blueprint "scheduling of sessions should be independent of it's state" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7124406:25
flacostethe problem with the alternative (one checkbox by language present in the TicketTarget) is that it's not scalable as the number of languages grow06:27
flacostebut it's perfect when the number is small06:27
flacostemaybe we could scale automatically from 'no widget' when only English is used, checkbox for every available languages on the target when that number is small (<=5) and then only an 'All Languages' widget when they're many and display only 'English' + preferred languages06:28
salgadoI'm afraid that the second alternative wouldn't scale even for 3 languages06:29
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flacostewe have 6 statuses and they display fine06:29
salgadobecause that mean's we'd have "English + preferred languages", "Language with long name", "Another language", "Even other language"06:29
flacosteLanguages: [X]  English [ ]  French [X]  Portuguese (Brazil) [ ]  Spanish06:30
salgadoyeah, but we have control on the length of the statuses06:30
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flacosteok, then only nothing (only English used) or 'All Languages' then06:30
salgadowe don't have that many languages with long names06:30
salgadobut I prefer the first alternative06:31
flacostewhat I like with the second alternative, is that the user gets instant feedback on what he can select, no need for notice, etc.06:31
salgadoyeah, that's indeed a good thing, but if there are two or three other languages he'd have to mark three checkboxes, and I think the most common case will be somebody wanting to see tickets in all languages06:33
flacosteright06:33
salgadoother than that I think people will only want to see the tickets in one of their preferred languages06:33
flacostethat makes sense06:34
flacostei'll go with an 'All Languages' checkbox then06:34
salgadoflacoste, I think that is fine... and thanks for taking the time to sort this out, which is something I noticed too, but didn't have time to discuss/fix06:35
flacosteno problem :-)06:36
flacostesalgado: did you have some support tracker related discussion at UDS?06:36
flacostesalgado: what do you think of a notice like 'Only support requests in English, Portuguese Brazil are displayed. To see requests in other languages either click the "All Languages" checkbox or _change_ your preferred languages.'?06:37
flacosteOf course, that notice would only be displayed when there are requests in another language.06:38
salgadoyeah, I think it's fine06:40
salgadomaybe too long?06:40
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salgadompt may be able to get something simpler for us, but since this is not going to be displayed always, I don't think it's a big deal06:41
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flacostesalgado: thanks for the discussion06:43
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kikoflacoste-lunch, for the record, I think salgado's okay with the all languages thing -- we can wait for users to complain first before trying to address anything else06:46
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kikohey carlos 06:50
kikocarlos, I added more comments to the langpack ui spec. 06:51
kikocarlos, your changes wrt the UI look okay06:51
kikoI have more questions though.06:51
kikosalgado, can you /MAKE SURE/ mpt pings me in 2h?06:51
kikosalgado, I have something that is super urgent06:51
kikoand he needs to talk to me about it06:52
carloskiko: hi06:53
carlosI pinged you yesterday to answer your questions06:53
carlosbut anyway, I will leave teh answers in the document06:53
carlosin the new section you added06:53
carloskiko: thanks for your input06:53
salgadokiko, I'll do that06:54
carlosmatsubara: hi, sorry, I had to restart the computer and lose what you messaged to me06:54
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mhbhello06:54
kikocarlos, you're welcome06:54
kikolet me eat and bbiab.06:55
mhbis a launchpad logo in 128x128 somewhere on the net ?06:55
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jordilifeless: wow that Finnish guy is impatient07:01
jordicarlos: any progress with Silva translators?07:01
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mptkiko-fud, pong07:05
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stubSteveA: Where does the publication machinery live now? I need to hook in and maintain counters of requests served, number of exceptions raised etc.07:21
SteveAit's all in webapp07:22
SteveAwebapp.publication webapp.publisher07:22
SteveAwe know the number of exceptions raised from the oops reports07:23
SteveAand we know the number of requests served from the weblogs07:23
SteveAso why do you need this?07:23
stubMonitoring07:24
stubSo hook into rootobject.publishTraverse or something?07:24
SteveAendrequest event?07:25
stubI was thinking of hooking into the stuff that calls the traversal code, but it looks like we nolonger customize that07:25
stubHmm... 07:25
stubThat won't tell us if an exception has been raised etc.07:25
SteveAso, you want to know07:25
SteveA- request start07:25
SteveA - request ended07:25
SteveA - reason request ended:07:25
SteveA    timeout, exception (what kind), soft timeout07:26
stubNo - I need to maintain a counter incremented when a request is served, a request served via http, a request served via xmlrpc and counters when various exceptions are raised.07:26
stub(although we might want timing information later...)07:27
SteveAok07:27
SteveAfor request being served via whatever, I'd say hook into the07:27
SteveAVirtualHostRequestPublication.__call__07:27
SteveAthat gives you a place that is used for every request and clear information as to which kind of vhost is used07:28
stubThat is our replacement for ZopePublication?07:28
SteveAno07:28
SteveAthat's a factory for an appopriate publication and request type for a particular request07:28
SteveAit is called for every incoming request07:29
SteveAso you can keep your count separate from what particular publications are used07:29
stubThat doesn't seem to exist07:29
SteveAwhen did you last merge from RF?07:30
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stubYesterday07:30
SteveAyou got r4253?07:31
stubNope07:32
SteveAyou could also hook into webapp/publication.py's LaunchpadBrowserPublication07:32
SteveAyou have beforeTraversal(self, request)07:32
salgadono vai caber tudo07:32
SteveAwhich is where we write out the thread-xxxx.request files07:33
salgadooops07:33
SteveAand handleException and endRequest07:33
SteveAI think xmlrpc uses that publication too07:33
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glatzorhi carlos07:46
carlosglatzor: hi07:46
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glatzorcarlos: I would like to use Rosetta to translate the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter.07:47
carlosok07:47
carlosglatzor: do you have already a .pot file for it'07:47
carlos?07:47
glatzorcarlos: So I created a product. Is there a way to automatically upload the po files using a script?07:47
carlosor do you need help on it?07:47
glatzorcarlos: I use txt2po :)07:47
glatzorcarlos: Can I push updated po files using a script? Or can they be extracted from a bzr repo?07:49
carlosglatzor: you can use a script07:49
carlosglatzor: using curl07:49
carlosglatzor: talk with mvo07:49
glatzorthanks07:50
carloshe developed some scripts to do it07:50
glatzorcarlos: by the way have you already looked at the ubuntu-docs in edgy?07:50
glatzorthey cannot be translated07:50
carlosglatzor: no, sorry. I will do it right now before I get busy at UDS...07:55
glatzorcarlos: Thanks. I would like to complete it before the next language pack role out07:57
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glatzorcarlos: The po file import/export works again?07:57
carlosglatzor: hmmm, well, that's not going to work...07:58
carlosubuntu-docs are not handled as part of language packs....07:58
carlosglatzor: only exports, imports are still closed07:58
glatzorcarlos: you could do this manually? I would like to reuse the translations of the edgy manuals for dapper07:59
glatzorcarlos: so there is no other upstream than us07:59
carlosdoing what?08:01
carlosupload .po files into Rosetta?08:01
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kiko-fudmpt, ping08:22
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kikompt, ping08:35
mptkiko, pong08:38
kikolook at that, mpt08:38
kikompt, can you ring me?08:38
kikoor do you have a US number I can reach?08:38
mptI'm roaming, my mobile number on /Offices works08:38
kikoyeah but that's uncallable for me08:39
carlosvoip?08:40
kikopffft 08:40
kikoplease. something reliable.08:40
carlosI use it every day here to call home....08:41
carlosit's quite reliable08:41
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flacostekiko: is it possible to do a SELECT DISTINCT using SQLObject?08:55
flacosteor should I use a subselect for that?08:55
flacostelike .select("id IN (SELECT DISTINCT...)")08:56
kikoflacoste, yes. both distinct and distinct on. but you need to think about it a bit.08:56
kikoso if it's just select distinct, just pass distinct=True to your select08:56
kikoif you want DISTINCT ON then you need to subselect yes.08:57
flacostewhat is DISTINCT ON?08:57
flacostei want to retrieve the languages used in a given tickettarget08:57
kikoso Language.select("ticketarget.language=Language.id", distinct=True) ?08:58
kikodistinct on means you distinct on certain attributes, not the entire result set.08:58
flacostehmm, since this joins tickettarget, it won't work?08:59
salgadoflacoste, in this case you actually need a "select distinct language from tickettarget where ...", no?09:01
kikoflacoste, why won't it work?09:01
kikosalgado, what are you talking about?09:01
kikoof course it will work.09:01
kikoLanguage.select("ticketarget.language=Language.id", distinct=True, clauseTables="TicketTarget") ?09:01
kikothat is how you do it09:01
flacosteok, Language will only select the language's field?09:02
kikoo/` you play the guitar on the mtv o/`09:02
kikofantastique09:02
matsubara-afkdire straits, kiko?09:02
matsubara-afkanyway, bbiab09:02
kikoI am indeed in dire straits09:03
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flacostekiko: you were right, it works fine :-)09:17
kikogood.09:18
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mptkiko, no mail from you yet09:21
kikompt, hold on, your turn now09:22
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mptok :-)09:29
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mhbhi ... is there a large launchpad logo image on the web?09:33
mptmhb, not at the moment09:36
kikomhb, humm, mpt might know, and if not, maybe hmm matt nuzum09:36
mptWhy do you ask?09:36
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mhbI wanted to point at a launchpad page with an icon09:37
carloskiko: We have an svg image in our development tree09:44
kikoah, true!09:45
kikomhb, you can look at the svg image09:45
kikoone sec for a url09:45
kikooh bummer09:49
kikono public svg09:49
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mhbplease try again09:51
kikosending again09:52
mhb(0%) - 0.00kB/s - ETA (stalled) - launchpad.svg09:52
kikobummer man09:53
kikomhb, email?09:53
mhbcan you send it to my email? necteno@gmail.com09:53
mhboh, cool09:53
kikomhb, sent.09:55
mhbthanks09:55
mhbkiko: 16:06 < kiko> I never forget. laters! << remember when you forgot about my suggestion to make a Rosetta plugin for a LoCo dictionary? :o)09:58
kikoI have no idea what you are talking about :-P09:58
mhbkiko: seems your claim that you never forget was overrated at least :o) 12th of August was a while ago, I know09:59
kikoI never forget, really10:00
kikoI honestly believe that10:00
mhbkiko: well you forgot to send me an email after that discussion, and you probably forgot the whole dicussion by now :o)10:01
kikooh10:01
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kikoI actually remember now10:01
BenChello launchpaders!10:01
kikoI was going to send you some stuff on ajax, mhb 10:01
kikoI still mean to.. it's on my todo notepad10:02
kikohey BenC 10:02
BenCI have a problem where I've created a poll, but I set the start date to 12am this morning, now I can't add options :)10:02
kikoBenC, hmm, that's no good. what's the URL?10:02
BenChttps://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-kernel-team/+poll/feisty-kernel-version10:03
BenCcan't edit it or anything10:03
kikolemme look.10:03
matsubaraBenC: bug 2867010:03
UbugtuMalone bug 28670 in launchpad "Shouldn't be able to create a poll with zero options" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2867010:03
kikoBenC, you need to get salgado and stub to fix that for you.10:03
kikomatsubara, related but perhaps different issue here 10:04
salgadoyeah, the only way to fix it is with manual DB intervention10:04
salgadoIOW, we need stub10:04
mhbcarlos: how come some of you Rosetta devs always claims "the search will be implemented very soon" and the translators believe that? .o) You said that to me at the start of Edgy, IIRC :o)10:04
matsubarakiko:  read the bug description. :)10:04
kikoget stub the stud10:04
kikomatsubara, no, fix the summary <wink>10:05
BenCbasically you shouldn't be allowed to create a poll with a start in the past10:05
BenCand if a poll has no options, it should not start10:05
kikoright10:05
kikoboth right10:05
kikotwo bugs10:05
mhbcarlos: now it's danilo mentioning it on the translators mailing list that it's going to take some time10:05
kikomhb, well, that's because it's actually HARD :-)10:06
mhbkiko: and you are working on it for um ... how many years? :o)10:07
kikomhb, we never managed to start on it -- the priority list is hard to beat10:08
kikoright now we're just firefighting..10:08
mhbhm, time to dig out the logs again10:08
mhb14:37 < kiko> mhb, it's one of the earliest planned features, so yes, it will happen. << remember saying that in August?10:09
kikoif it's just to say we're late then it's not really necessary...10:09
kikoit will happen, but not today. have patience.10:09
mhbit's not just me who says that10:10
kiko<kiko> if it's just to say we're late then it's not really necessary...10:10
kikowe know we're late. thanks.10:10
mhbso you're saying you don't care? nice.10:11
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kikosalgado, can you help BenC get a hold of stub? I'd love to see the polls used more...10:12
matsubarakiko, BenC: bugs 71274, 2867010:12
UbugtuMalone bug 71274 in launchpad "If a poll has no options, it should not start" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7127410:13
UbugtuMalone bug 28670 in launchpad "Shouldn't be able to create a poll with a date in the past" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2867010:13
kikoyeah.10:13
BenCmatsurba: thanks10:13
kikothat reads perfect matsubara -- good job10:13
salgadokiko, he's having lunch right now and his laptop is right beside me10:13
matsubaraand I think we could use a poll tag in the future10:13
kikosalgado, fun!10:13
LarstiQmhb: I don't think kiko is saying that, rather everyone is swamped.10:13
kikomatsubara, approved10:13
mhbI'll describe it in a different way: what should we (the translators) do to make Canonical actually work on that?10:13
salgadokiko, it's locked, unfortunately. :-(10:14
kikosalgado, that's no good. have a livecd handy?10:14
salgadowe have plenty10:14
mhbwe're doing quite a lot of work in Ubuntu. I know you do a lot of work too, but I think when there is something almost every single LoCo team member wants, how come it's not one of the #1 problems?10:14
kikomhb, right now.. keep on requesting the feature and reminding us of it. the main issue with it is sorting out the rosetta performance problems which atm are the #1 problem.10:15
kikoonce that's improved, and once the language teams debacle is sorted out, and once rosetta and firefox work well, and once translation reviewing is landed, we're going to start on it.10:15
kikoI'm not out of touch with the requirements10:15
kikobut a lot of different users have different #1 problems and balancing them out is not easy.10:16
mhblanguage teams debacle?10:16
kikosalgado, great answer to mark, btw10:16
kikomhb, yeah, the threads going on in rosetta-users10:17
kikoBjornT, don't forget to chat to mark about the statuses.10:19
mhbkiko: you don't have no deadlines for features?10:19
kikoheh10:19
kikomhb, we do, but they slip :)10:19
UbugtuNew bug: #71274 in launchpad "If a poll has no options, it should not start" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7127410:20
mhbkiko: hm, the translators simply cannot slip, the packages get made and that's it, but you can slip all the way you want :o)10:20
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kikohey carlos 10:21
mhbwell I hope you will at least set the deadline for this feature soon ... otherwise I'll be really disappointed ... well, see you soon10:23
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steveireHey. Can rosetta be searched?10:26
carlossteveire: hi10:26
carlosnot yet10:26
carlosdanilos will start soon on that feature10:26
steveireOk. Does google cache it? Maybe I can use that.10:27
kikohmmm, good question10:28
kikoit should10:28
carlosdon't think so, you need to be logged in to reach the translation form10:28
carlosand last time I checked, google didn't have an account 10:28
kikohmmm10:28
kikohmmmmmmmmmmmmmm10:28
kikohmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm10:28
kikohmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm10:28
kikocarlos, I have an idea.10:29
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kikowhat if we changed the +translate page to not require login10:29
ddaakiko: you're into Buddhic meditation now?10:29
kikoand just display the messages10:29
kikono textareas or inputs10:29
kikoand then text saying "LOG IN TO TRANSLATE GOD DAMN IT"10:29
steveireI tried import site:launchpad.net inurl:de for german 'import'. One result, and not what I wanted.10:29
carloskiko: it would be possible once TranslationReview lands10:29
kikosteveire, yeah10:29
kikocarlos, let's do that! yes!10:29
kikothat will rock!10:29
carlosbecause we only use textareas for new translations10:29
ddaa"You can see me, but you cannot touch me!"10:29
kikogoogle can do the searching for us for now!10:30
kikothat would be sweet10:30
kikosteveire, you are a genius!!!10:30
carloskiko: well... I hope searching is finished quite soon10:30
kikocarlos, can you file a bug on that?10:30
carlosbut anyway it's something good to have anyway10:30
carlossure10:30
kiko"Allow non-autenticated rendering of +translate pages"10:30
kikobe sure to say that the form controls should be omitted10:30
kikobecause that's the fundamental part of it10:31
steveirekiko: That's true, but it still doesn't work...10:31
kikosteveire, it will once that bug is fixed, and fixing that bug is not too far off now that I know how easy it is10:31
carloskiko: ok10:31
kikocool10:32
kikosteveire, I am just amazed nobody thought of that before. you are a true wizard10:32
kikocarlos, let me know the bug # so I can bump it up10:33
steveirehehe. You'd want to do a full rethink of what you look for in the url you'll want inurl:translate in the search string as well.10:33
carlosok, let me finish my lunch and I will file it10:33
salgadookay, the queue should be shorter by now; /me goes for lunch10:35
kikosteveire, hmmm?10:36
steveireAre you going to put a google search form for rosetta somewhere on launchpad?10:39
kikosteveire, well, that's a possible second step. I would rather we offered a search ourselves but this cheap approach may end up working very well. let's get the indexing going first.10:40
steveireVery Good. I've no idea about that kind of stuff so I'll leave you to it.10:41
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kikompt, gotmail!10:43
mptkiko, thanks, already reading it10:44
kikocool10:44
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kikompt, are you freaking out, or can I reply to mark positively?10:59
mptkiko, I was partway through a reply to the list10:59
mptor would you prefer it just to you?10:59
kikoreply to: me cc: list10:59
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kikomatsubara, can you file a critical bug for me please? "Bugs in the unknown status are not returned in bug listings for a context" and use my rationale in launchpad-users:Finding bugs with Unknown status?11:00
matsubarakiko: yes, sure.11:00
kikomatsubara, assign to me is fine11:01
kikomatsubara, bonus points for replying to bjorn's launchpad-users message with it.11:01
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kikohey stub 11:05
kikohave a sec?11:05
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mptkiko, replied11:06
kikothanks mpt11:07
kikompt:11:07
kikoBrilliant have not supplied the large-size application images yet. I'm11:07
kikomailing them now.11:07
matsubarakiko: bug 4423811:07
UbugtuMalone bug 44238 in malone "Bugs with Unknown status are not included in the bug listings" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4423811:07
kikompt, just use the same images with a different tint for now.11:07
kikompt, when the new images come in, just replace those.11:07
kikook?11:07
mptyes11:08
kikogood man11:09
kikompt:11:09
kikoOn what page do you see this problem?11:09
stubkiko: eh?11:09
kikoon any facet page11:09
kikofor instance, the bugs page for firefox, mpt 11:10
kikostub, just wanted to check with you on this beta.launchpad thing as I need to give mark some assurance in email11:10
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LarstiQok, why do I keep seeing some sort of OSX striped interface popup on launchpad before it gets overriden with the current flat blue look?11:10
kikompt, that list of exceptions is fine, very good job11:10
kikoLarstiQ, it's because the CSS caching is busted, but look at staging.launchpad.net to see how it will be shortly11:11
stubkiko: We are just finalizing the setup right now. If I had a cert password, I could even be testing it :)11:11
mptkiko, "build 3755 | bugs" appears to be debugging code added by SteveA11:11
kikostub, you are a rock star11:11
kikompt, gotcha.11:11
kikothanks.11:11
mptWell, I added the "bugs" part at the top of the page, and he's moved it to a less obtrusive place11:12
kikocool11:12
kikocool11:12
mptOk, hacking time, bbl11:14
kikompt, godspeed11:14
mpt:-)11:14
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salgadoSteveA, around?11:24
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SteveAsalgado: I am around11:27
SteveAalthough a bit distracted by packing11:27
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salgadoSteveA, we have the rss feed for mirrors, and kiko asked why we don't provide it as an "alternate" link on the page, to publicize it11:32
salgadosince that list is not really useful for users --it's there mostly for other programs to get that info out of launchpad11:33
salgadoSteveA, mpt doesn't think we should do that, but kiko told me to ask you11:33
SteveAwhat does the RSS feed tell you?11:37
ddaafree advice: if it's not useful with a normal user rss reader, then there should not be an alternate link. Instead it should be documented in the help text.11:37
salgadogives you a list of the mirrors, with the country, speed, URL, etc of each mirror11:37
salgadoddaa, agreed11:38
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SteveAdoesn't sound like something to put in an RSS reader11:38
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SteveAI agree with ddaa11:39
SteveAput it in the help text11:39
ZnarlI think it might be good to have, as it would allow other sites to list Ubuntu mirrors.11:39
salgadoZnarl, the help text is something new in LP 1.0, and it'll be shown on that page, so they can easily find out11:41
carloskiko-fud: https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+bug/7128311:48
UbugtuMalone bug 71283 in rosetta "Allow non-autenticated rendering of +translate pages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  11:48
UbugtuNew bug: #71283 in rosetta "Allow non-autenticated rendering of +translate pages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7128311:56
carlosUbugtu: I win!11:56
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BjornTddaa: ping?12:11

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