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| fumbalah | LaserJock: You still around? | 12:41 |
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| LaserJock | yeah | 12:41 |
| fumbalah | I just wanted to thank you for helping me out earlier | 12:42 |
| fumbalah | I appreciate that | 12:42 |
| _nixternal | if jjesse comes around, and im not here, (trappist as well), i will start working on a ToC for the Feisty KDG that we can start working from...of course, we can change it around and what not, but I was thinking of basing it somewhat off of the book, just Kubuntu style ;) | 12:46 |
| LaserJock | fumbalah: no problem, that's what we do here :-) | 12:47 |
| fumbalah | LaserJock: Do you mind if I ask a few more questions? I dont want to stick myself to you, I guess I'm just kind of looking for a mentor, if that makes sense | 12:49 |
| LaserJock | no problem | 12:49 |
| LaserJock | _nixternal is somebody you'll be working with too so maybe he can help as well | 12:49 |
| fumbalah | alright, anyone that is willing to "take me under their wing" more or less would be appreciated, as I'm new to the Documentation Side of things | 12:50 |
| fumbalah | and you all seem like a friendly bunch to work with already...got good first impressions | 12:54 |
| LaserJock | heh | 12:54 |
| LaserJock | well we aim to please ;-) | 12:54 |
| _nixternal | im sitting in the uni cafe waiting for some ubuntu chicago guys to show up for some edgy cds | 12:55 |
| fumbalah | Nice | 12:55 |
| LaserJock | I'm thinking of heading to a RLUG meeting tonight | 12:56 |
| _nixternal | ya, i wish we had a lug meeting tonight | 12:56 |
| fumbalah | LaserJock: If I've got suggestions on a certain article, how do I go about suggesting a change?, I read through it but didnt catch on to what I was supposed to do | 12:56 |
| _nixternal | i know the chiglug guys want me to work on some docs for their filesystem they wrote | 12:56 |
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| _nixternal | fumbalah: is it an actual doc? if so you can make edits, create a patch, and then send it to the mailing list | 12:57 |
| fumbalah | alright | 12:57 |
| fumbalah | That's what I was wanting to know | 12:57 |
| fumbalah | I'll probably be doing a lot of proofreading at first | 12:57 |
| _nixternal | remember though, you should file a bug on launchpad, and if you want to commit a patch, then you can set yourself as the person fixing it as well | 12:58 |
| _nixternal | good way to get that karma ;) | 12:58 |
| _nixternal | actually fumbalah, if you are comfortable with docbook xml and the operating system, you might be better off hopping right in once we start working on the docs for 7.04 | 12:59 |
| _nixternal | i jumped in a little on dapper docs, and jumped all the way in on edgy docs, which was very tough, as time was limited there | 12:59 |
| fumbalah | nixternal: I'm comfy with the OS, havent worked too much with Docbook | 12:59 |
| _nixternal | docbook is super easy | 01:00 |
| _nixternal | as a matter of fact, the actual docbook book is free and online | 01:00 |
| _nixternal | i don't have the link here, but you can google it | 01:00 |
| _nixternal | are you familiar with html at all? | 01:00 |
| fumbalah | yea | 01:00 |
| _nixternal | docbook rocks a similar structure, but truthfully is much cleaner | 01:00 |
| fumbalah | XML right? | 01:00 |
| _nixternal | then we use xslt files, which are templates that mold our html and pdf output | 01:01 |
| _nixternal | yes XML | 01:01 |
| fumbalah | nixternal: I think if I work with it I can grasp the general idea. I'm just seeing tiny grammar things mainly when I'm proofreading, but I'd be glad to wait till you all begin work on a new release | 01:02 |
| _nixternal | ya, it is fairly easy to learn, proofreading is very important | 01:02 |
| _nixternal | proofreading was pretty much > /dev/null for edgy sadly | 01:02 |
| fumbalah | I'd like to change that, I think good grammar is important | 01:03 |
| _nixternal | it is very important...and i know that the 7.04 docs will rock, especially now that we have an official book backing the project | 01:03 |
| fumbalah | nixternal: so at this point, what do I need to do to get involved with 7.04? | 01:04 |
| _nixternal | well, you are lucky, we haven't started, and probably have to schedule a meeting within the next couple of weeks | 01:04 |
| _nixternal | which is good since you want to start | 01:04 |
| _nixternal | it allows you to go through the the trunk docs from the svn repo and see how things work | 01:05 |
| fumbalah | Alright | 01:05 |
| fumbalah | So should, even if I see small things, correct them and then send it to the mailing list | 01:07 |
| _nixternal | try and find as many as possible, and then send one patch to fix them all, if they are for instance in the Desktop Guide | 01:12 |
| fumbalah | Alright | 01:12 |
| fumbalah | Its more on one page then a section, but i can do multiple pages at a time | 01:12 |
| crimsun | for instance, replace all instances of "KDE" with "use a real desktop environment" | 01:13 |
| fumbalah | lol | 01:13 |
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| fumbalah | nixternal: I hate to act really dumb, but once i make the edits, I see how to create the patch, but I didnt think I could checkin/out the svn | 01:16 |
| crimsun | send the diff to the ml, for instance | 01:16 |
| _nixternal | you can checkout from the svn | 01:16 |
| _nixternal | once you make changes, goto the root of the svn repo (trunk) | 01:17 |
| _nixternal | then you can | 01:17 |
| _nixternal | svn diff > blah.diff | 01:17 |
| fumbalah | nixternal: Nevermind, I didnt read far enough down the page | 01:17 |
| fumbalah | alrighty | 01:17 |
| _nixternal | svn stat first of course to make sure there are adds | 01:17 |
| _nixternal | if you svn stat and see ! or ? then don't do a diff until you get those fixed | 01:17 |
| _nixternal | A, M, D are all fine in a svn stat | 01:17 |
| fumbalah | Alright | 01:18 |
| fumbalah | I think I understand now | 01:18 |
| fumbalah | I believe I will give it a try | 01:19 |
| _nixternal | hehe, no worries, you will get it | 01:19 |
| _nixternal | the operations are fairly easy to learn, and once you have done them a few times you will get it down | 01:19 |
| fumbalah | Alright | 01:19 |
| fumbalah | I dont want to email something out eventually and look stupid | 01:19 |
| _nixternal | fumbalah: email it to me nixternal@ubuntu.com and i will look at it and help you along with it as well | 01:20 |
| fumbalah | nixternal: Alright, thank you | 01:21 |
| _nixternal | i have beend oing this stuff for a while, and i always look stupid doing it ;) | 01:21 |
| fumbalah | lol | 01:21 |
| fumbalah | It may be to you tonight, it may be tommorow, it depends on if i get this down or not | 01:21 |
| fumbalah | Thanks for your help :) | 01:24 |
| _nixternal | no problem | 01:26 |
| fumbalah | This is why I like having an offsite shell for IRC | 01:26 |
| fumbalah | cause I can get disconnected, but IRC doesnt | 01:26 |
| _nixternal | heh, im using the uni's wifi | 01:26 |
| _nixternal | ya, i use bip which is an irc proxy, and i can connect to it from anywhere w/o ever having to disconnect | 01:27 |
| fumbalah | yea, it's nice...irssi makes things wonderful | 01:27 |
| _nixternal | ya, i use irssi when i am mobile, but usually use konversation at home or the office | 01:28 |
| fumbalah | ah | 01:28 |
| fumbalah | I just have this on the dedicated connection, so I just scrreen it and then use it from wherever | 01:28 |
| _nixternal | ya, with bip i don't even have to do that, which is nice, and i can have 20 irc sessions open and connected to the one | 01:30 |
| fumbalah | nixternal: Do I put my name in as contributuing to the article....? | 01:30 |
| fumbalah | nice :) | 01:30 |
| _nixternal | hmm..good question | 01:31 |
| _nixternal | i don't know how exactly they manage that section | 01:31 |
| fumbalah | I'm editing the about kbuntu page, so...I'll leave my name out for now | 01:33 |
| LaserJock | I usually lead that to the doc lead to add | 01:34 |
| LaserJock | *leave | 01:34 |
| fumbalah | Alright | 01:34 |
| fumbalah | Should i still submit it even if i only make a couple of changes with commas and maybe adding things here or there? | 01:35 |
| LaserJock | sure, why not :-) | 01:36 |
| LaserJock | actually smaller patches are easier to review and apply, IMO | 01:36 |
| LaserJock | we don't want to have to look over a 50kb diff | 01:36 |
| fumbalah | Alright | 01:40 |
| fumbalah | Cause the document is under review, wasnt sure if i should touch it | 01:40 |
| LaserJock | just do it :-) | 01:40 |
| fumbalah | Alright | 01:40 |
| LaserJock | nobody wil scream or yell | 01:40 |
| fumbalah | lol | 01:41 |
| fumbalah | Thats what i was worried about | 01:41 |
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| _nixternal | heh, ya, fix the about Kubuntu page and let me know..i have to repackage the kubuntu-docs like asap | 01:43 |
| _nixternal | fumbalah: are you working from trunk or edgy? | 01:43 |
| _nixternal | if you are working from trunk, the About Kubuntu is going to get wiped | 01:44 |
| _nixternal | we are going to be doing a new type of documentation to work with Ubiquity which will end up being hardcoded in one way or the other | 01:44 |
| fumbalah | LaserJock: What does he mean, I'm editing the about page from svn | 01:46 |
| LaserJock | fumbalah: what happens is we make a svn branch when we have the doc freeze before a release | 01:46 |
| LaserJock | so we created an edgy branch when the edgy docs froze | 01:47 |
| LaserJock | we continue working in the trunk of the repo continuously | 01:47 |
| LaserJock | I think you got the trunk | 01:47 |
| fumbalah | so I should quit editing? | 01:48 |
| LaserJock | which is what you want | 01:48 |
| fumbalah | oh | 01:48 |
| LaserJock | but he also said that About Kubuntu is going to be wiped out | 01:48 |
| LaserJock | so if you are working on that then you probably shouldn't bother | 01:48 |
| fumbalah | lol, I would choose that section | 01:48 |
| LaserJock | of course :-) | 01:49 |
| LaserJock | the desktop guide is probably a good choice | 01:49 |
| fumbalah | Alright,I'll find some things to proofread in there | 01:49 |
| fumbalah | are the irc cloaks project based or are they for users as well? | 01:51 |
| LaserJock | hm? | 01:52 |
| fumbalah | like. member/ubuntu/username | 01:52 |
| LaserJock | the ubuntu/member/ ones? | 01:52 |
| fumbalah | yea | 01:52 |
| LaserJock | those are for Ubuntu Members | 01:52 |
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| crimsun | jordan needs a special cloak for being supar MOTU | 01:53 |
| LaserJock | haha | 01:53 |
| robotgeek | hello all | 01:53 |
| fumbalah | LaserJock: Alrighty, nevermind then :) | 01:54 |
| fumbalah | Hi robotgeek | 01:54 |
| LaserJock | /ubuntuholic/motu/laserjock | 01:54 |
| robotgeek | hey fumbalah | 01:54 |
| LaserJock | fumbalah: well, now you need to become a member, right? ;-) | 01:54 |
| robotgeek | so, LaserJock ... super motu now? i've been away for quite a while now | 01:54 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: no, no | 01:54 |
| LaserJock | crimsun's the only one of those around | 01:55 |
| fumbalah | LaserJock: I guess that would be a good idea | 01:55 |
| crimsun | me? pssht. I'm a nobody. Remember my not having a blog? | 01:55 |
| LaserJock | whatever | 01:55 |
| crimsun | I don't even have a Ubuntu cloak. | 01:55 |
| crimsun | epitome of nobody :) | 01:55 |
| LaserJock | that's because you are bigger then a cloak | 01:56 |
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| crimsun | hey now, I think I'm not that fat | 01:56 |
| LaserJock | haha, no | 01:56 |
| LaserJock | fumbalah: it takes "significant and sustained" contribution to Ubuntu | 01:56 |
| fumbalah | LaserJock: I know, I figured that | 01:57 |
| LaserJock | fumbalah: basically, work on Ubuntu stuff for a couple months and show that you can play nicely | 01:57 |
| fumbalah | Alrighty | 01:57 |
| fumbalah | Thank you all for taking me under your wing | 01:58 |
| fumbalah | s | 01:58 |
| LaserJock | no problem | 01:58 |
| LaserJock | thank you very much for being interested in contributing | 01:58 |
| LaserJock | it's what makes Ubuntu work | 01:58 |
| fumbalah | your welcome :) | 01:59 |
| fumbalah | you all have one of the most friendly communities i know | 01:59 |
| LaserJock | we try :-) | 02:00 |
| fumbalah | Ubuntu doesnt like my wireless card, but other t hen that, It rocks | 02:00 |
| robotgeek | fumbalah: what wireless card | 02:01 |
| fumbalah | robotgeek: broadcom 4318 | 02:01 |
| fumbalah | There are a ton of issues with it | 02:01 |
| robotgeek | hmm, isn't that the same as in my laptop. sec (ibook) | 02:02 |
| robotgeek | nope, mine is 4306 | 02:02 |
| theCore | I starting to wonder when the next CC meeting will be. | 02:02 |
| fumbalah | CC? | 02:04 |
| theCore | fumbalah, Community Council | 02:04 |
| fumbalah | ah | 02:05 |
| theCore | it is the group that accept new members | 02:05 |
| fumbalah | sorry, kinda new :) | 02:05 |
| theCore | it is okay, I was new, before too :) | 02:05 |
| theCore | I am waiting for next meeting to apply for the membership | 02:06 |
| fumbalah | ah | 02:06 |
| theCore | I hope I will "pass" | 02:06 |
| fumbalah | Well, hopefully around the time I graduate i'll be able to apply | 02:06 |
| fumbalah | which will be like may | 02:07 |
| fumbalah | Which would be a good time I think to, cause i'll have gotten a good 6 months experience | 02:08 |
| theCore | I suggest that you don't think about the membership for now, it not really important until you want commit access | 02:08 |
| fumbalah | theCore: Advice taken :) | 02:09 |
| fumbalah | I'm new, just trying to learn the ropes | 02:09 |
| theCore | the best thing to do is simply to help other people | 02:09 |
| fumbalah | agreed | 02:10 |
| theCore | that includes developers and users | 02:10 |
| theCore | the rest is really only "politics" | 02:10 |
| fumbalah | alrighty | 02:10 |
| fumbalah | Is there anywhere else I should hang out besides in here and in #kubuntu ? | 02:10 |
| theCore | it really depends of what you want to do | 02:11 |
| fumbalah | a lot of proofreading mostly | 02:11 |
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| theCore | #ubuntu-motu and #ubuntu-bugs are good place to hang out if you want to help developing Ubuntu | 02:12 |
| theCore | for documentation #ubuntu-doc is the best place | 02:12 |
| fumbalah | I pretty much want to deal with documentation, coding has never been my thing | 02:12 |
| theCore | there's also the mailing lists | 02:13 |
| fumbalah | subscribed to the doc one | 02:13 |
| theCore | so, you're good to go | 02:13 |
| fumbalah | Awesome :) | 02:13 |
| fumbalah | Thank you all again :) | 02:14 |
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| fumbalah | I guess I'll dig into the desktop guide after I finish a college essay | 02:14 |
| theCore | fumbalah, well, it is me that thank you, new people are always welcome | 02:15 |
| fumbalah | theCore: I can understand that..To a point, i see people not wanting to sit and just read text | 02:16 |
| theCore | they certainly want to learn | 02:17 |
| fumbalah | yea, I meant like, proofreading/editing, the endusers i know appreciate it | 02:18 |
| theCore | oh, yeah. | 02:20 |
| fumbalah | hmm, how to setup gmail for the mailing list | 02:20 |
| fumbalah | *ponders* | 02:20 |
| theCore | to setup? | 02:21 |
| fumbalah | I'm setting up an account for all my mailing list subscriptions | 02:21 |
| fumbalah | Google for your domain is nifty | 02:23 |
| fumbalah | I like it | 02:23 |
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| fumbalah | my wisdom teeth stiches are coming out, and its annoying | 02:58 |
| Madpilot | you're on IRC while the surgeon is taking your stitches out? | 03:00 |
| fumbalah | lol, no, they disolve | 03:00 |
| fumbalah | though, if i could be on IRC, that'd be kinda cool | 03:00 |
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| nixternal | whee | 04:04 |
| nixternal | actually, everything in trunk fumbalah, is going to be rewritten from scratch | 04:04 |
| nixternal | https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/edgy/ would be the current directory in which to file bugs against | 04:06 |
| Burgundavia | why so? | 04:09 |
| nixternal | why so what? | 04:13 |
| nixternal | that made a ton of sense didn't it | 04:13 |
| fumbalah | nixternal: Alright, thanks for letting me know | 04:14 |
| nixternal | everything Kubuntu in trunk will be rewritten...and for good reason...about and release notes will become a new thing for ubiquity, and then a special thing for the website, but will probably be built in the wiki...the desktop guide will be rewritten to remove all of the old stuff and incorporate the book | 04:14 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 04:14 |
| fumbalah | nixternal: Will something be sent out over the mailing list or something when I can start helping out? | 04:15 |
| nixternal | well, im sure we will put out a "meeting minutes" on the list if we have one | 04:16 |
| nixternal | but if you are hanging out here, you shouldn't miss it ;) | 04:16 |
| fumbalah | alrighty | 04:17 |
| fumbalah | so with the edgy thing I'm filing bugs for...What is gonna happen once they are approved? | 04:17 |
| nixternal | they will hopefully get fixed eventually, but it is hard because of translation stuff...only the english versions will get fixed | 04:21 |
| fumbalah | Alright | 04:22 |
| fumbalah | but I'm more likely to see changes made once the new documentation is written | 04:22 |
| nixternal | well, when the new documentation is written, hopefully we will have a chapter breakdown, and people can grab a chapter an run maybe..but we will have to see | 04:23 |
| nixternal | right now is the quiet time for the doc team, where we will do side doc work or wiki work until it picks back up | 04:23 |
| fumbalah | ah | 04:24 |
| nixternal | right now is the dev summit for ubuntu in california, and after that is complete then we should have a better idea of what is to come | 04:24 |
| fumbalah | Alrighty | 04:24 |
| fumbalah | Well, I guess I'll just stick around and take whatever is handed to me | 04:24 |
| fumbalah | nixternal: Do you have a name so I can list you in my contacts? | 04:28 |
| fumbalah | wow | 04:29 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 04:29 |
| fumbalah | that has got ot be the dumbest question i've asked | 04:29 |
| nixternal | no, my parents just called me nixternal since 1974 | 04:29 |
| fumbalah | ever | 04:29 |
| nixternal | Richard Johnson ;) | 04:29 |
| fumbalah | lol | 04:29 |
| nixternal | haha | 04:29 |
| fumbalah | *feels idiotic* | 04:29 |
| fumbalah | A new email account always feels so empty to me | 04:31 |
| nixternal | hehe | 04:32 |
| nixternal | sign up for bug mail, it won't be empty for long | 04:32 |
| fumbalah | lol, that might get a little bit too crowded | 04:32 |
| fumbalah | Are their any other mailing list you suggest? | 04:32 |
| nixternal | i think i have about 30 of them in just ubuntu alone | 04:33 |
| nixternal | doc list is good, the *-users lists for support | 04:33 |
| nixternal | -devel lists are good | 04:33 |
| nixternal | then i have debian-docs and kde-docs as well...it is hard to belive, but those 2 lists hardly get email unless someone files a bug | 04:34 |
| fumbalah | hmm, I may subscibe to the debian docs list | 04:36 |
| fumbalah | Cause I still have a server here running it | 04:36 |
| nixternal | their documentation is very different than ours | 04:36 |
| nixternal | they use Docbook-SGML | 04:36 |
| nixternal | fun stuff | 04:36 |
| fumbalah | I've never actually even looked at it | 04:36 |
| fumbalah | I pretty much just set debian up out of the box | 04:37 |
| fumbalah | I may switch it to the server version of ubuntu at some point | 04:37 |
| nixternal | like here, with Docbook-XML our entities are &entity; and in Docbook-SGML is would be *entity; which causes a bunch of validation issues when you start confusing them | 04:39 |
| fumbalah | ah, I think i prefer xml anyway | 04:39 |
| fumbalah | nixternal: thanks again for taking me on | 04:51 |
| nixternal | no problem | 04:51 |
| nixternal | glad to have you! | 04:51 |
| fumbalah | so I should remove the svn i downloaded from the trunk and download from the more current link yo ugave me | 04:53 |
| fumbalah | svn has definetley killed my connection twice | 04:56 |
| nixternal | that is odd | 04:57 |
| nixternal | there is a lot to download, but they are all relatively small files | 04:57 |
| fumbalah | Who knows... | 04:57 |
| fumbalah | almost finished though | 04:58 |
| fumbalah | awesome | 05:04 |
| fumbalah | all checked out | 05:04 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #71115 in kubuntu-docs (main) "Kubuntu doc wrong , Can't find to setup Thunderbird my default email." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/71115 | 07:29 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 07:30 |
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| nixternal | for that bug, 71115, it is Dapper...is it alright to fix that in the repos, do a fix committed, and maybe one day the -docs package will get updated in the release? at least maybe the h.u.c site? | 07:48 |
| crimsun | if you've committed the fix already, it's ok to mark it Fix Committed | 07:52 |
| Burgundavia | once it hits the archives, it is released | 07:52 |
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| nixternal | ya i know that, but is it alright for me to make a string fix to the dapper svn? | 07:57 |
| nixternal | i guess so, because i have been doing so to the edgy svn | 07:57 |
| nixternal | and im getting ready to do more | 07:58 |
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| nixternal | robotgeek: i see you lurking in the LP ;) | 08:45 |
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| crimsun | I don't think it's possible to "lurk" in the LP | 08:49 |
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| fumbalah | Hows everyone doing this fine morning(well,at least here morning) | 01:30 |
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| fumbalah | good morning | 02:36 |
| stelis | Hi | 02:37 |
| fumbalah | Whats up? | 02:38 |
| stelis | I'm just avoiding work at the moment | 02:38 |
| fumbalah | Nice | 02:38 |
| fumbalah | Same here | 02:38 |
| stelis | :) | 02:38 |
| stelis | A lot of people are currently at the Developer Summit, so the IRC channels may be a bit quiet ATM | 02:39 |
| fumbalah | I figured that | 02:39 |
| fumbalah | I think i'll try and go next year | 02:40 |
| stelis | What do you work on? | 02:40 |
| fumbalah | I dont curretly, I'm starting to work on Documentation, but I'd be interested in attending just to learn | 02:41 |
| stelis | I just started last week myself | 02:41 |
| fumbalah | I'm working on the wiki currently, how bout yourself? | 02:42 |
| stelis | Supposed to be working on the Edubuntu Handbook | 02:43 |
| stelis | That's what I'm avoiding :) | 02:43 |
| fumbalah | lol | 02:43 |
| fumbalah | Do you actually work for the project or are you doing what I'm doing and just starting to helpp | 02:43 |
| stelis | Like you, I'm just a volunteer | 02:43 |
| stelis | I've been surprised how many key people aren't Canonical employees | 02:44 |
| stelis | The Wiki is a really good place to start | 02:44 |
| fumbalah | yea | 02:44 |
| fumbalah | I starterd proofreading actual docs last night, and then I found out what i was proofreading was being rewritten | 02:45 |
| stelis | :) | 02:45 |
| fumbalah | So I just decided to start with the wiki | 02:45 |
| fumbalah | Figure i can make a good impression that way | 02:45 |
| stelis | Yeah, a lot of people are timid about editing popular pages, so they aren't as good as they could be | 02:46 |
| fumbalah | yea | 02:49 |
| stelis | I guess you've found the CategoryCleanup? | 02:49 |
| fumbalah | I've looked at it, I'm just working on a tiny page at the moment | 02:50 |
| fumbalah | Working on the ipod page | 02:50 |
| stelis | Cool | 02:51 |
| stelis | I was in an Apple store last week, but I heard that the new iPods broke Linux support, so I passed | 02:51 |
| fumbalah | I havent tried the new ones out yet | 02:52 |
| fumbalah | My video works fine though | 02:54 |
| stelis | How good are the images? | 02:55 |
| stelis | I wondered whether the CPU etc. would really be up to it | 02:56 |
| fumbalah | I havent had a problem at all with it | 02:56 |
| stelis | So it all pretty much Just Works then? | 02:57 |
| fumbalah | yea | 02:57 |
| stelis | Linux is getting easy these days | 02:59 |
| fumbalah | It really is | 03:00 |
| stelis | I'm starting a new job next week, and actually not looking forward to building my workstation | 03:00 |
| stelis | It'll be XP and I'll have spend all day on it | 03:01 |
| fumbalah | Very nice. What do you do for a living? | 03:01 |
| stelis | I was an admin, but the new job will be mixed DBA and Web dev work | 03:01 |
| fumbalah | Ah | 03:02 |
| fumbalah | I'm planning on hoping to go into Sysadmin work after college | 03:02 |
| stelis | It can be hard to get your first job | 03:02 |
| stelis | Contacts help a lot | 03:03 |
| stelis | Everybody wants experienced admins :) | 03:03 |
| dthacker | fumbalah: you really want the pager? | 03:03 |
| fumbalah | dthacker: lol, I want to work in the educational sector | 03:04 |
| fumbalah | which means at 4, i can turn the pager off | 03:04 |
| dthacker | wise choice, much less 24x7 pressure | 03:04 |
| stelis | Depends on the institution | 03:05 |
| stelis | My admin job was at a College | 03:05 |
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| dthacker | stellis: good point, I'm thinking of a fellow LUG member who works for a school district | 03:05 |
| stelis | Yeah, I think it's scratching an itch | 03:05 |
| fumbalah | stelis: High school, I have a lot of contact within my school district | 03:06 |
| stelis | I used to work at a school and it was better | 03:06 |
| stelis | The hour between 4 and 5 gives the ability to get stuff done | 03:07 |
| dthacker | speaking of work, it's high time I got there. See you around the channel. | 03:07 |
| stelis | Cheers | 03:07 |
| stelis | The College runs 8am-8pm and uni are like that too | 03:08 |
| stelis | fumbalah: Have you looked at Edubuntu? | 03:09 |
| stelis | I was blown away at how good this could be for schools | 03:10 |
| fumbalah | stelis: I plan on it | 03:20 |
| fumbalah | brb | 03:20 |
| fumbalah | have a meeting | 03:20 |
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| fumbalah | good morning again | 04:19 |
| stelis | Hi | 04:21 |
| fumbalah | I thought you were going to work | 04:24 |
| stelis | I'm still staring out of the window | 04:25 |
| stelis | This is just not a very interesting bit of documentation | 04:25 |
| fumbalah | What are you working on?Specifically | 04:26 |
| stelis | Customizing the Edubuntu desktop | 04:26 |
| stelis | e.g. changing the theme, language settings etc. | 04:26 |
| fumbalah | Ah | 04:27 |
| fumbalah | I think I may setup a machine with that here | 04:27 |
| stelis | It's well worth it | 04:28 |
| stelis | It's a thin client system with basically zero setup | 04:28 |
| fumbalah | Do I have to have a main server setuop> | 04:29 |
| stelis | The default installation silently configures all the network services needed for TC | 04:29 |
| stelis | The only odd requirement is that prefers two NICs | 04:30 |
| stelis | One for main network and one for the TC network | 04:30 |
| stelis | It automatically provides DHCP to the TC network | 04:30 |
| stelis | I'm using VMware to fake a network ATM | 04:30 |
| fumbalah | Alright | 04:31 |
| fumbalah | I think I'm going to set it u in a mini-lab situation | 04:33 |
| stelis | Should work pretty well. | 04:35 |
| stelis | If you use modern PCs they will have PXE network boot support built-in, so you just need to set them to boot from the network in the BIOS. | 04:35 |
| fumbalah | Alrighty | 04:37 |
| fumbalah | Does it support ldap/active directory authentication | 04:37 |
| stelis | Ah | 04:37 |
| fumbalah | We have 2200 students so we need to be able to use the existing authentication protocol | 04:38 |
| stelis | You can do that with any Linux distro via Winbind, but the lead developer wants to add more support in Feisty | 04:38 |
| fumbalah | ah | 04:38 |
| stelis | He's very keen to do so, in fact | 04:38 |
| fumbalah | Do you have an email address for him? | 04:39 |
| stelis | The edubuntu-devel mailing list is probably the best point of contact | 04:39 |
| fumbalah | Alright | 04:40 |
| fumbalah | I just need to be able to prove proof of concept to our LAN Manager | 04:40 |
| stelis | If you check the archive there was a brief comment | 04:40 |
| stelis | I see | 04:40 |
| fumbalah | yea, he'd be willing to try it | 04:41 |
| stelis | Cool. | 04:41 |
| stelis | A lot of managers I know still pull faces when you say "Linux" | 04:41 |
| fumbalah | Ours is pretty cool | 04:43 |
| fumbalah | We have a lot of custom educational tools written in ruby and a lot of things hooked in with linux | 04:43 |
| stelis | Woah! | 04:44 |
| fumbalah | Yea | 04:45 |
| fumbalah | We're pretty cutting edge | 04:45 |
| stelis | Definitely. | 04:46 |
| stelis | Where is this, if you don't mind me asking? | 04:46 |
| fumbalah | A district in kentucky | 04:46 |
| fumbalah | Its more our school then | 04:46 |
| fumbalah | like fayette | 04:46 |
| fumbalah | wow, that makes no sense | 04:46 |
| fumbalah | Its the fayette county school disstrict | 04:47 |
| fumbalah | but it is more our specific school in the district | 04:47 |
| stelis | It does seem to be down to individuals to push for OSS, ATM | 04:48 |
| fumbalah | Yea | 04:48 |
| fumbalah | Most of us are all about it | 04:48 |
| stelis | Great. I'm in an area in the UK where the county IT people love it, but my particular employer is lagging behind. | 04:50 |
| stelis | I was stunned to find a department hacking on Moodle two week ago, though. | 04:50 |
| fumbalah | We;re using moodle | 04:50 |
| fumbalah | :) | 04:50 |
| stelis | :) | 04:50 |
| stelis | It seems to everywhere | 04:51 |
| fumbalah | We like it, as do most of our teachers | 04:51 |
| stelis | These guys hadn't heard of Ubuntu, and knew basically nothing about Linux, but people at some other institution had tipped them off | 04:51 |
| stelis | (About Moodle) | 04:52 |
| fumbalah | ah | 04:52 |
| stelis | We tried to implement a proprietary LMS, but the vendor fluffed it themselves | 04:52 |
| fumbalah | Well, I'm excited to try kubuntu | 04:52 |
| fumbalah | edubuntu* | 04:52 |
| stelis | It doesn't include Moodle, but there is a school management system built-in | 04:53 |
| stelis | SchoolTool | 04:53 |
| stelis | Apparently the fact that Moodle uses PHP is a concern | 04:54 |
| fumbalah | ah | 04:54 |
| fumbalah | I'd love to see it in rails | 04:54 |
| fumbalah | just cause rails cuts down on some much of the code | 04:54 |
| stelis | That's what I was thinking | 04:55 |
| stelis | Also I like the way that Rails makes installing and maintaining apps easier | 04:55 |
| fumbalah | Do you have an email adress in case I have any quesitons? | 04:55 |
| fumbalah | I'll hit the mailing list for most | 04:56 |
| stelis | This is me: https://launchpad.net/people/stuart-ellis | 04:57 |
| stelis | Feel free to drop by #edubuntu | 04:57 |
| fumbalah | Alrighty | 04:57 |
| stelis | I'm not a dev, but they hang out there | 04:58 |
| stelis | And I'm on whenever I can | 04:58 |
| fumbalah | alright, same here for the most part | 04:58 |
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| fumbalah | stelis: If you ever need me to proofread anything please feel free | 05:00 |
| stelis | Thanks. | 05:02 |
| fumbalah | https://launchpad.net/people/brett-meadors | 05:02 |
| fumbalah | That's me | 05:02 |
| stelis | The Handbook is in svn under edubuntu/handbook/C/ | 05:02 |
| fumbalah | Alrighty | 05:03 |
| fumbalah | I'll grab that when i get home | 05:03 |
| fumbalah | would be way tpp slow from school | 05:05 |
| stelis | They block all the ports here | 05:05 |
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| fumbalah | I'd have to wait till i could get on my laptop anyway to svn | 05:06 |
| fumbalah | cuase this is just a permannent connection to iRC | 05:06 |
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| fumbalah | this page needs aa lot of work | 05:11 |
| stelis | I suggest this revision: "Please stop using FTP. It's broken." | 05:12 |
| fumbalah | lol | 05:13 |
| fumbalah | Why do you say that? | 05:14 |
| stelis | Because SSH and WebDAV do everything that FTP does, but a lot of people just don't don't seem to know it. | 05:14 |
| fumbalah | yea, but ftp is easier for the end user | 05:15 |
| stelis | You might be surprised: http://www.elsn.org/SSH-HOWTO/ssh-howto.html | 05:20 |
| stelis | There are free Windows graphical clients, and Linux has graphical support built-in | 05:20 |
| fumbalah | Interesting | 05:20 |
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| fumbalah | I'm doing a complete overhaul of this page though | 05:21 |
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| stelis | It's a bit of a pet cause, sorry :) | 05:21 |
| fumbalah | all good | 05:21 |
| fumbalah | brb | 05:21 |
| fumbalah | Must call lexmark | 05:21 |
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| fumbalah | Afteroon all | 07:56 |
| fumbalah | how is everyone doing? | 07:57 |
| fumbalah | nixternal: are you around? | 08:02 |
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| nixternal | hey fumbalah, i am working on a couple of poopy windows boxes setting up a wifi thing for my sister | 08:39 |
| fumbalah | nixternal: Sounds like a blast | 08:41 |
| nixternal | never | 08:41 |
| nixternal | i hate having microsoft producs in my house | 08:41 |
| fumbalah | Did you get my email? | 08:41 |
| fumbalah | me too | 08:41 |
| fumbalah | I'm all linux | 08:42 |
| nixternal | haven't had a chance to look through just ye | 08:42 |
| nixternal | t | 08:42 |
| fumbalah | alright | 08:42 |
| nixternal | Brett? | 08:42 |
| fumbalah | yea | 08:42 |
| fumbalah | that'd be me | 08:42 |
| fumbalah | :) | 08:42 |
| nixternal | got it ;) | 08:43 |
| fumbalah | Alright, cool | 08:43 |
| nixternal | ya, im on the list of emailed people when it comes to wiki edits..it allows me to follow and make sure people aren't doing stuff they shouldn't be | 08:43 |
| fumbalah | Just started editing some wiki pages of yours so I just wanted you to look at them when you got a chance | 08:43 |
| fumbalah | Ah, that's a good thing to do | 08:43 |
| fumbalah | Why does your sister need windows? | 08:45 |
| nixternal | edit away | 08:45 |
| nixternal | she doesn't | 08:46 |
| fumbalah | just thinks she does? | 08:46 |
| nixternal | im not about to set her up with Linux now, that would mean way to many phone calls | 08:46 |
| fumbalah | lol | 08:46 |
| nixternal | i have a few hundred switchers now that i am maintaining | 08:46 |
| nixternal | 75% of them are on their own and flying | 08:46 |
| fumbalah | Nice :) | 08:46 |
| nixternal | the other 25% bug the hell out of me ;) | 08:46 |
| fumbalah | lol | 08:46 |
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| fumbalah | How would i go about rrequesting a page link be changed? | 08:47 |
| fumbalah | proftp shoud be proftpd | 08:47 |
| nixternal | well, the application is proftp | 08:50 |
| nixternal | it is only setup as a daemon in /etc/init.d | 08:50 |
| nixternal | interesting how microsoft does their autoupdates | 08:51 |
| crimsun | no. | 08:51 |
| nixternal | if you run snoop on a machine doing it, they use a setup similar to apt-get | 08:51 |
| fumbalah | nixternal: but it is listed as proftpd by the people that make the software | 08:51 |
| crimsun | ProFTPD is the app. | 08:51 |
| nixternal | thats what i said | 08:51 |
| nixternal | oh., the d | 08:51 |
| nixternal | i thought the app itself was proftp, didn't know the app included teh daemon | 08:52 |
| fumbalah | yea | 08:52 |
| nixternal | learn something new every day | 08:52 |
| fumbalah | yup :_ | 08:52 |
| crimsun | the daemon _is_ the app :) | 08:52 |
| fumbalah | :-) | 08:52 |
| fumbalah | nixternal: How would i go about changing that in the wiki/ | 08:52 |
| nixternal | hrmm...create the page, copy over the info from proftp page to the new page, and then redirect the old page to the new page | 08:53 |
| fumbalah | Alright | 08:53 |
| fumbalah | I'm going to finish all my editing to it first | 08:53 |
| fumbalah | Are they pllaning on dropping docbook with the new releease? | 08:55 |
| nixternal | not that i know of | 08:55 |
| fumbalah | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TopicBasedHelp | 08:56 |
| fumbalah | It sounds like they are looking to move awayfrom docbook | 08:56 |
| fumbalah | or at least using chapters now | 08:57 |
| nixternal | ya | 08:58 |
| nixternal | i am reading htat now | 08:58 |
| fumbalah | Kind of interesting | 08:59 |
| nixternal | thank god that only applies to Ubuntu docs and not Kubuntu or Xubuntu docs | 09:00 |
| fumbalah | Really | 09:00 |
| fumbalah | I didnt know that? | 09:01 |
| nixternal | ya, Project Mallard is GNOME | 09:01 |
| nixternal | i do mainly Kubuntu docs with just a handfull of us | 09:01 |
| fumbalah | ah | 09:01 |
| fumbalah | I think your pretty well stuck with my then, cause I only use kubuntu | 09:01 |
| fumbalah | and sooner or later edubuntu | 09:01 |
| nixternal | i use them all, but I have bene using kde since day one | 09:02 |
| fumbalah | ah | 09:02 |
| nixternal | i have tried to switch at one time, just recently to learn something new, and found myself getting annoyed easily | 09:02 |
| fumbalah | I like kubuntu, and hope to be rolling out edbuntu in our school | 09:02 |
| nixternal | kubuntu docs are getting rewritten, we just haven't come up with how just yet | 09:04 |
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| fumbalah | I wouldnt mind a little bit of input | 09:04 |
| fumbalah | once the time comes around to decide | 09:05 |
| nixternal | we will need as much input as possible, so | 09:05 |
| fumbalah | Will that be over the mailing list or in a meeting? | 09:07 |
| nixternal | meeting more than likely, but there will be acombo of some mailing list as well | 09:08 |
| nixternal | it is usually published at least a week in advance of when a meeting will be | 09:08 |
| fumbalah | Alright, and that will be all the kubuntu doc people and then any volunteers? | 09:08 |
| nixternal | i need to get a jump on things though, because starting at the end of january i will be enrolled in over 20 credit hours ;( | 09:09 |
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| fumbalah | Just let me know | 09:11 |
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| mdke | meh. this makes no sense. | 09:28 |
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| nixternal | hehe | 09:30 |
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| nixternal | Burgwork: http://www.ubuntu.com/downloads <> is it possible to have the buring the cd rom link go directly to the h.u.c/community location instead of the wiki, so people don't see the nasty redirect? | 10:09 |
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| mdke | nixternal: I'll do it | 10:55 |
| nixternal | coolio | 10:55 |
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| Burgwork | nixternal: mdke and myself have write access to the website. You can also file a bug | 11:11 |
| mpt | Burgwork, now would be a good time to raise objections to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/topic-based-help if you have any :-) | 11:13 |
| Burgwork | right, that work thing | 11:17 |
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