[12:41] <fumbalah> LaserJock: You still around?
[12:41] <LaserJock> yeah
[12:42] <fumbalah> I just wanted to thank you for helping me out earlier
[12:42] <fumbalah> I appreciate that
[12:46] <_nixternal> if jjesse comes around, and im not here, (trappist as well), i will start working on a ToC for the Feisty KDG that we can start working from...of course, we can change it around and what not, but I was thinking of basing it somewhat off of the book, just Kubuntu style ;)
[12:47] <LaserJock> fumbalah: no problem, that's what we do here :-)
[12:49] <fumbalah> LaserJock: Do you mind if I ask a few more questions? I dont want to stick myself to you, I guess I'm just kind of looking for a mentor, if that makes sense
[12:49] <LaserJock> no problem
[12:49] <LaserJock> _nixternal is somebody you'll be working with too so maybe he can help as well
[12:50] <fumbalah> alright, anyone that is willing to "take me under their wing" more or less would be appreciated, as I'm new to the Documentation Side of things
[12:54] <fumbalah> and you all seem like a friendly bunch to work with already...got good first impressions
[12:54] <LaserJock> heh
[12:54] <LaserJock> well we aim to please ;-)
[12:55] <_nixternal> im sitting in the uni cafe waiting for some ubuntu chicago guys to show up for some edgy cds
[12:55] <fumbalah> Nice
[12:56] <LaserJock> I'm thinking of heading to a RLUG meeting tonight
[12:56] <_nixternal> ya, i wish we had a lug meeting tonight
[12:56] <fumbalah> LaserJock: If I've got suggestions on a certain article, how do I go about suggesting a change?, I read through it but didnt catch on to what I was supposed to do
[12:56] <_nixternal> i know the chiglug guys want me to work on some docs for their filesystem they wrote
[12:57] <_nixternal> fumbalah: is it an actual doc? if so you can make edits, create a patch, and then send it to the mailing list
[12:57] <fumbalah> alright
[12:57] <fumbalah> That's what I was wanting to know
[12:57] <fumbalah> I'll probably be doing a lot of proofreading at first
[12:58] <_nixternal> remember though, you should file a bug on launchpad, and if you want to commit a patch, then you can set yourself as the person fixing it as well
[12:58] <_nixternal> good way to get that karma ;)
[12:59] <_nixternal> actually fumbalah, if you are comfortable with docbook xml and the operating system, you might be better off hopping right in once we start working on the docs for 7.04
[12:59] <_nixternal> i jumped in a little on dapper docs, and jumped all the way in on edgy docs, which was very tough, as time was limited there
[12:59] <fumbalah> nixternal: I'm comfy with the OS, havent worked too much with Docbook
[01:00] <_nixternal> docbook is super easy
[01:00] <_nixternal> as a matter of fact, the actual docbook book is free and online
[01:00] <_nixternal> i don't have the link here, but you can google it
[01:00] <_nixternal> are you familiar with html at all?
[01:00] <fumbalah> yea
[01:00] <_nixternal> docbook rocks a similar structure, but truthfully is much cleaner
[01:00] <fumbalah> XML right?
[01:01] <_nixternal> then we use xslt files, which are templates that mold our html and pdf output
[01:01] <_nixternal> yes XML
[01:02] <fumbalah> nixternal: I think if I work with it I can grasp the general idea.  I'm just seeing tiny grammar things mainly when I'm proofreading, but I'd be glad to wait till you all begin work on a new release
[01:02] <_nixternal> ya, it is fairly easy to learn, proofreading is very important
[01:02] <_nixternal> proofreading was pretty much > /dev/null for edgy sadly
[01:03] <fumbalah> I'd like to change that, I think good grammar is important
[01:03] <_nixternal> it is very important...and i know that the 7.04 docs will rock, especially now that we have an official book backing the project
[01:04] <fumbalah> nixternal: so at this point, what do I need to do to get involved with 7.04?
[01:04] <_nixternal> well, you are lucky, we haven't started, and probably have to schedule a meeting within the next couple of weeks
[01:04] <_nixternal> which is good since you want to start
[01:05] <_nixternal> it allows you to go through the the trunk docs from the svn repo and see how things work
[01:05] <fumbalah> Alright
[01:07] <fumbalah> So should, even if I see small things, correct them and then send it to the mailing list
[01:12] <_nixternal> try and find as many as possible, and then send one patch to fix them all, if they are for instance in the Desktop Guide
[01:12] <fumbalah> Alright
[01:12] <fumbalah> Its more on one page then a section, but i can do multiple pages at a time
[01:13] <crimsun> for instance, replace all instances of "KDE" with "use a real desktop environment"
[01:13] <fumbalah> lol
[01:16] <fumbalah> nixternal: I hate to act really dumb, but once i make the edits, I see how to create the patch, but I didnt think I could checkin/out the svn
[01:16] <crimsun> send the diff to the ml, for instance
[01:16] <_nixternal> you can checkout from the svn
[01:17] <_nixternal> once you make changes, goto the root of the svn repo (trunk)
[01:17] <_nixternal> then you can
[01:17] <_nixternal> svn diff > blah.diff
[01:17] <fumbalah> nixternal: Nevermind, I didnt read far enough down the page
[01:17] <fumbalah> alrighty
[01:17] <_nixternal> svn stat first of course to make sure there are adds
[01:17] <_nixternal> if you svn stat and see ! or ? then don't do a diff until you get those fixed
[01:17] <_nixternal> A, M, D are all fine in a svn stat
[01:18] <fumbalah> Alright
[01:18] <fumbalah> I think I understand now
[01:19] <fumbalah> I believe I will give it a try
[01:19] <_nixternal> hehe, no worries, you will get it
[01:19] <_nixternal> the operations are fairly easy to learn, and once you have done them a few times you will get it down
[01:19] <fumbalah> Alright
[01:19] <fumbalah> I dont want to email something out eventually and look stupid
[01:20] <_nixternal> fumbalah: email it to me nixternal@ubuntu.com and i will look at it and help you along with it as well
[01:21] <fumbalah> nixternal: Alright, thank you
[01:21] <_nixternal> i have beend oing this stuff for a while, and i always look stupid doing it ;)
[01:21] <fumbalah> lol
[01:21] <fumbalah> It may be to you tonight, it may be tommorow, it depends on if i get this down or not
[01:24] <fumbalah> Thanks for your help :)
[01:26] <_nixternal> no problem
[01:26] <fumbalah> This is why I like having an offsite shell for IRC
[01:26] <fumbalah> cause I can get disconnected, but IRC doesnt
[01:26] <_nixternal> heh, im using the uni's wifi
[01:27] <_nixternal> ya, i use bip which is an irc proxy, and i can connect to it from anywhere w/o ever having to disconnect
[01:27] <fumbalah> yea, it's nice...irssi makes things wonderful
[01:28] <_nixternal> ya, i use irssi when i am mobile, but usually use konversation at home or the office
[01:28] <fumbalah> ah
[01:28] <fumbalah> I just have this on the dedicated connection, so I just scrreen it and then use it from wherever
[01:30] <_nixternal> ya, with bip i don't even have to do that, which is nice, and i can have 20 irc sessions open and connected to the one
[01:30] <fumbalah> nixternal: Do I put my name in as contributuing to the article....?
[01:30] <fumbalah> nice :)
[01:31] <_nixternal> hmm..good question
[01:31] <_nixternal> i don't know how exactly they manage that section
[01:33] <fumbalah> I'm editing the about kbuntu page, so...I'll leave my name out for now
[01:34] <LaserJock> I usually lead that to the doc lead to add
[01:34] <LaserJock> *leave
[01:34] <fumbalah> Alright
[01:35] <fumbalah> Should i still submit it even if i only make a couple of changes with commas and maybe adding things here or there?
[01:36] <LaserJock> sure, why not :-)
[01:36] <LaserJock> actually smaller patches are easier to review and apply, IMO
[01:36] <LaserJock> we don't want to have to look over a 50kb diff
[01:40] <fumbalah> Alright
[01:40] <fumbalah> Cause the document is under review, wasnt sure if i should touch it
[01:40] <LaserJock> just do it :-)
[01:40] <fumbalah> Alright
[01:40] <LaserJock> nobody wil scream or yell
[01:41] <fumbalah> lol
[01:41] <fumbalah> Thats what i was worried about
[01:43] <_nixternal> heh, ya, fix the about Kubuntu page and let me know..i have to repackage the kubuntu-docs like asap
[01:43] <_nixternal> fumbalah: are you working from trunk or edgy?
[01:44] <_nixternal> if you are working from trunk, the About Kubuntu is going to get wiped
[01:44] <_nixternal> we are going to be doing a new type of documentation to work with Ubiquity which will end up being hardcoded in one way or the other
[01:46] <fumbalah> LaserJock: What does he mean, I'm editing the about page from svn
[01:46] <LaserJock> fumbalah: what happens is we make a svn branch when we have the doc freeze before a release
[01:47] <LaserJock> so we created an edgy branch when the edgy docs froze
[01:47] <LaserJock> we continue working in the trunk of the repo continuously
[01:47] <LaserJock> I think you got the trunk
[01:48] <fumbalah> so I should quit editing?
[01:48] <LaserJock> which is what you want
[01:48] <fumbalah> oh
[01:48] <LaserJock> but he also said that About Kubuntu is going to be wiped out
[01:48] <LaserJock> so if you are working on that then you probably shouldn't bother
[01:48] <fumbalah> lol, I would choose that section 
[01:49] <LaserJock> of course :-)
[01:49] <LaserJock> the desktop guide is probably a good choice
[01:49] <fumbalah> Alright,I'll find some things to proofread in there
[01:51] <fumbalah> are the irc cloaks project based or are they for users as well?
[01:52] <LaserJock> hm?
[01:52] <fumbalah> like. member/ubuntu/username
[01:52] <LaserJock> the ubuntu/member/ ones?
[01:52] <fumbalah> yea
[01:52] <LaserJock> those are for Ubuntu Members
[01:53] <crimsun> jordan needs a special cloak for being supar MOTU
[01:53] <LaserJock> haha
[01:53] <robotgeek> hello all
[01:54] <fumbalah> LaserJock: Alrighty, nevermind then :)
[01:54] <fumbalah> Hi robotgeek 
[01:54] <LaserJock>  /ubuntuholic/motu/laserjock
[01:54] <robotgeek> hey fumbalah 
[01:54] <LaserJock> fumbalah: well, now you need to become a member, right? ;-)
[01:54] <robotgeek> so, LaserJock ... super motu now? i've been away for quite a while now
[01:54] <LaserJock> robotgeek: no, no
[01:55] <LaserJock> crimsun's the only one of those around
[01:55] <fumbalah> LaserJock: I guess that would be a good idea
[01:55] <crimsun> me? pssht. I'm a nobody. Remember my not having a blog?
[01:55] <LaserJock> whatever
[01:55] <crimsun> I don't even have a Ubuntu cloak.
[01:55] <crimsun> epitome of nobody :)
[01:56] <LaserJock> that's because you are bigger then a cloak
[01:56] <crimsun> hey now, I think I'm not that fat
[01:56] <LaserJock> haha, no
[01:56] <LaserJock> fumbalah: it takes "significant and sustained" contribution to Ubuntu
[01:57] <fumbalah> LaserJock: I know, I figured that
[01:57] <LaserJock> fumbalah: basically, work on Ubuntu stuff for a couple months and show that you can play nicely
[01:57] <fumbalah> Alrighty
[01:58] <fumbalah> Thank you all for taking me under your wing
[01:58] <fumbalah> s
[01:58] <LaserJock> no problem
[01:58] <LaserJock> thank you very much for being interested in contributing
[01:58] <LaserJock> it's what makes Ubuntu work
[01:59] <fumbalah> your welcome :)
[01:59] <fumbalah> you all have one of the most friendly communities i know
[02:00] <LaserJock> we try :-)
[02:00] <fumbalah> Ubuntu doesnt like my wireless card, but other t hen that, It rocks
[02:01] <robotgeek> fumbalah: what wireless card
[02:01] <fumbalah> robotgeek: broadcom 4318
[02:01] <fumbalah> There are a ton of issues with it
[02:02] <robotgeek> hmm, isn't that the same as in my laptop. sec (ibook)
[02:02] <robotgeek> nope, mine is 4306
[02:02] <theCore> I starting to wonder when the next CC meeting will be.
[02:04] <fumbalah> CC?
[02:04] <theCore> fumbalah, Community Council
[02:05] <fumbalah> ah
[02:05] <theCore> it is the group that accept new members
[02:05] <fumbalah> sorry, kinda new :)
[02:05] <theCore> it is okay, I was new, before too :)
[02:06] <theCore> I am waiting for next meeting to apply for the membership
[02:06] <fumbalah> ah
[02:06] <theCore> I hope I will "pass"
[02:06] <fumbalah> Well, hopefully around the time I graduate i'll be able to apply
[02:07] <fumbalah> which will be like may
[02:08] <fumbalah> Which would be a good time I think to, cause i'll have gotten a good 6 months experience
[02:08] <theCore> I suggest that you don't think about the membership for now, it not really important until you want commit access
[02:09] <fumbalah> theCore: Advice taken :)
[02:09] <fumbalah> I'm new, just trying to learn the ropes
[02:09] <theCore> the best thing to do is simply to help other people
[02:10] <fumbalah> agreed
[02:10] <theCore> that includes developers and users
[02:10] <theCore> the rest is really only "politics"
[02:10] <fumbalah> alrighty
[02:10] <fumbalah> Is there anywhere else I should hang out besides in here and in #kubuntu ?
[02:11] <theCore> it really depends of what you want to do
[02:11] <fumbalah> a lot of proofreading mostly
[02:12] <theCore> #ubuntu-motu and #ubuntu-bugs are good place to hang out if you want to help developing Ubuntu
[02:12] <theCore> for documentation #ubuntu-doc is the best place
[02:12] <fumbalah> I pretty much want to deal with documentation, coding has never been my thing
[02:13] <theCore> there's also the mailing lists   
[02:13] <fumbalah> subscribed to the doc one
[02:13] <theCore> so, you're good to go
[02:13] <fumbalah> Awesome :)
[02:14] <fumbalah> Thank you all again :)
[02:14] <fumbalah> I guess I'll dig into the desktop guide after I finish a college essay
[02:15] <theCore> fumbalah, well, it is me that thank you, new people are always welcome
[02:16] <fumbalah> theCore: I can understand that..To a point, i see people not wanting to sit and just read text
[02:17] <theCore> they certainly want to learn
[02:18] <fumbalah> yea, I meant like, proofreading/editing, the endusers i know appreciate it
[02:20] <theCore> oh, yeah. 
[02:20] <fumbalah> hmm, how to setup gmail for the mailing list
[02:20] <fumbalah> *ponders*
[02:21] <theCore> to setup?
[02:21] <fumbalah> I'm setting up an account for all my mailing list subscriptions
[02:23] <fumbalah> Google for your domain is nifty
[02:23] <fumbalah> I like it
[02:58] <fumbalah> my wisdom teeth stiches are coming out, and its annoying
[03:00] <Madpilot> you're on IRC while the surgeon is taking your stitches out?
[03:00] <fumbalah> lol, no, they disolve
[03:00] <fumbalah> though, if i could be on IRC, that'd be kinda cool
[04:04] <nixternal> whee
[04:04] <nixternal> actually, everything in trunk fumbalah, is going to be rewritten from scratch
[04:06] <nixternal> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/edgy/ would be the current directory in which to file bugs against
[04:09] <Burgundavia> why so?
[04:13] <nixternal> why so what?
[04:13] <nixternal> that made a ton of sense didn't it
[04:14] <fumbalah> nixternal: Alright, thanks for letting me know
[04:14] <nixternal> everything Kubuntu in trunk will be rewritten...and for good reason...about and release notes will become a new thing for ubiquity, and then a special thing for the website, but will probably be built in the wiki...the desktop guide will be rewritten to remove all of the old stuff and incorporate the book
[04:14] <Burgundavia> ah
[04:15] <fumbalah> nixternal: Will something be sent out over the mailing list or something when I can start helping out?
[04:16] <nixternal> well, im sure we will put out a "meeting minutes" on the list if we have one
[04:16] <nixternal> but if you are hanging out here, you shouldn't miss it ;)
[04:17] <fumbalah> alrighty
[04:17] <fumbalah> so with the edgy thing I'm filing bugs for...What is gonna happen once they are approved?
[04:21] <nixternal> they will hopefully get fixed eventually, but it is hard because of translation stuff...only the english versions will get fixed
[04:22] <fumbalah> Alright
[04:22] <fumbalah> but I'm more likely to see changes made once the new documentation is written
[04:23] <nixternal> well, when the new documentation is written, hopefully we will have a chapter breakdown, and people can grab a chapter an run maybe..but we will have to see
[04:23] <nixternal> right now is the quiet time for the doc team, where we will do side doc work or wiki work until it picks back up
[04:24] <fumbalah> ah
[04:24] <nixternal> right now is the dev summit for ubuntu in california, and after that is complete then we should have a better idea of what is to come
[04:24] <fumbalah> Alrighty
[04:24] <fumbalah> Well, I guess I'll just stick around and take whatever is handed to me
[04:28] <fumbalah> nixternal: Do you have a name so I can list you in my contacts?
[04:29] <fumbalah> wow
[04:29] <nixternal> hahaha
[04:29] <fumbalah> that has got ot be the dumbest question i've asked
[04:29] <nixternal> no, my parents just called me nixternal since 1974
[04:29] <fumbalah> ever
[04:29] <nixternal> Richard Johnson ;)
[04:29] <fumbalah> lol
[04:29] <nixternal> haha
[04:29] <fumbalah> *feels idiotic*
[04:31] <fumbalah> A new email account always feels so empty to me
[04:32] <nixternal> hehe
[04:32] <nixternal> sign up for bug mail, it won't be empty for long
[04:32] <fumbalah> lol, that might get a little bit too crowded
[04:32] <fumbalah> Are their any other mailing list you suggest?
[04:33] <nixternal> i think i have about 30 of them in just ubuntu alone
[04:33] <nixternal> doc list is good, the *-users lists for support
[04:33] <nixternal> -devel lists are good
[04:34] <nixternal> then i have debian-docs and kde-docs as well...it is hard to belive, but those 2 lists hardly get email unless someone files a bug
[04:36] <fumbalah> hmm, I may subscibe to the debian docs list
[04:36] <fumbalah> Cause I still have a server here running it
[04:36] <nixternal> their documentation is very different than ours
[04:36] <nixternal> they use Docbook-SGML
[04:36] <nixternal> fun stuff
[04:36] <fumbalah> I've never actually even looked at it
[04:37] <fumbalah> I pretty much just set debian up out of the box
[04:37] <fumbalah> I may switch it to the server version of ubuntu at some point
[04:39] <nixternal> like here, with Docbook-XML our entities are &entity; and in Docbook-SGML is would be *entity; which causes a bunch of validation issues when you start confusing them
[04:39] <fumbalah> ah, I think i prefer xml anyway
[04:51] <fumbalah> nixternal: thanks again for taking me on
[04:51] <nixternal> no problem
[04:51] <nixternal> glad to have you!
[04:53] <fumbalah> so I should remove the svn i downloaded from the trunk and download from the more current link yo ugave me
[04:56] <fumbalah> svn has definetley killed my connection twice
[04:57] <nixternal> that is odd
[04:57] <nixternal> there is a lot to download, but they are all relatively small files
[04:57] <fumbalah> Who knows...
[04:58] <fumbalah> almost finished though
[05:04] <fumbalah> awesome
[05:04] <fumbalah> all checked out
[07:29] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71115 in kubuntu-docs (main) "Kubuntu doc wrong , Can't find to setup Thunderbird my default email." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71115
[07:30] <nixternal> hrmm
[07:48] <nixternal> for that bug, 71115, it is Dapper...is it alright to fix that in the repos, do a fix committed, and maybe one day the -docs package will get updated in the release?  at least maybe the h.u.c site?
[07:52] <crimsun> if you've committed the fix already, it's ok to mark it Fix Committed
[07:52] <Burgundavia> once it hits the archives, it is released
[07:57] <nixternal> ya i know that, but is it alright for me to make a string fix to the dapper svn?
[07:57] <nixternal> i guess so, because i have been doing so to the edgy svn
[07:58] <nixternal> and im getting ready to do more
[08:45] <nixternal> robotgeek: i see you lurking in the LP ;)
[08:49] <crimsun> I don't think it's possible to "lurk" in the LP
[01:30] <fumbalah> Hows everyone doing this fine morning(well,at least here morning)
[02:36] <fumbalah> good morning
[02:37] <stelis> Hi
[02:38] <fumbalah> Whats up?
[02:38] <stelis> I'm just avoiding work at the moment
[02:38] <fumbalah> Nice
[02:38] <fumbalah> Same here
[02:38] <stelis> :)
[02:39] <stelis> A lot of people are currently at the Developer Summit, so the IRC channels may be a bit quiet ATM
[02:39] <fumbalah> I figured that
[02:40] <fumbalah> I think i'll try and go next year
[02:40] <stelis> What do you work on?
[02:41] <fumbalah> I dont curretly, I'm starting to work on Documentation, but I'd be interested in attending just to learn 
[02:41] <stelis> I just started last week myself
[02:42] <fumbalah> I'm working on the wiki currently, how bout yourself?
[02:43] <stelis> Supposed to be working on the Edubuntu Handbook
[02:43] <stelis> That's what I'm avoiding :)
[02:43] <fumbalah> lol
[02:43] <fumbalah> Do you actually work for the project or are you doing what I'm doing and just starting to helpp
[02:43] <stelis> Like you, I'm just a volunteer
[02:44] <stelis> I've been surprised how many key people aren't Canonical employees
[02:44] <stelis> The Wiki is a really good place to start
[02:44] <fumbalah> yea
[02:45] <fumbalah> I starterd proofreading actual docs last night, and then I found out what i was proofreading was being rewritten
[02:45] <stelis> :)
[02:45] <fumbalah> So I just decided to start with the wiki
[02:45] <fumbalah> Figure i can make a good impression that way
[02:46] <stelis> Yeah, a lot of people are timid about editing popular pages, so they aren't as good as they could be
[02:49] <fumbalah> yea
[02:49] <stelis> I guess you've found the CategoryCleanup?
[02:50] <fumbalah> I've looked at it, I'm just working on a tiny page at the moment
[02:50] <fumbalah> Working on the ipod page
[02:51] <stelis> Cool
[02:51] <stelis> I was in an Apple store last week, but I heard that the new iPods broke Linux support, so I passed
[02:52] <fumbalah> I havent tried the new ones out yet
[02:54] <fumbalah> My video works fine though
[02:55] <stelis> How good are the images?
[02:56] <stelis> I wondered whether the CPU etc. would really be up to it
[02:56] <fumbalah> I havent had a problem at all with it
[02:57] <stelis> So it all pretty much Just Works then?
[02:57] <fumbalah> yea
[02:59] <stelis> Linux is getting easy these days
[03:00] <fumbalah> It really is
[03:00] <stelis> I'm starting a new job next week, and actually not looking forward to building my workstation 
[03:01] <stelis> It'll be XP and I'll have spend all day on it
[03:01] <fumbalah> Very nice.  What do you do for a living?
[03:01] <stelis> I was an admin, but the new job will be mixed DBA and Web dev work
[03:02] <fumbalah> Ah
[03:02] <fumbalah> I'm planning on hoping to go into Sysadmin work after college
[03:02] <stelis> It can be hard to get your first job
[03:03] <stelis> Contacts help a lot
[03:03] <stelis> Everybody wants experienced admins :)
[03:03] <dthacker> fumbalah: you really want the pager?
[03:04] <fumbalah> dthacker: lol, I want to work in the educational sector
[03:04] <fumbalah> which means at 4, i can turn the pager off
[03:04] <dthacker> wise choice, much less 24x7 pressure
[03:05] <stelis> Depends on the institution
[03:05] <stelis> My admin job was at a College
[03:05] <dthacker> stellis: good point,  I'm thinking of a fellow LUG member who works for a school district
[03:05] <stelis> Yeah, I think it's scratching an itch
[03:06] <fumbalah> stelis: High school, I have a  lot of contact within my school district
[03:06] <stelis> I used to work at a school and it was better
[03:07] <stelis> The hour between 4 and 5 gives the ability to get stuff done
[03:07] <dthacker> speaking of work, it's high time I got there.  See you around the channel.  
[03:07] <stelis> Cheers
[03:08] <stelis> The College runs 8am-8pm and uni are like that too
[03:09] <stelis> fumbalah: Have you looked at Edubuntu?
[03:10] <stelis> I was blown away at how good this could be for schools
[03:20] <fumbalah> stelis: I plan on it
[03:20] <fumbalah> brb
[03:20] <fumbalah> have a meeting
[04:19] <fumbalah> good morning again
[04:21] <stelis> Hi
[04:24] <fumbalah> I thought you were going to work
[04:25] <stelis> I'm still staring out of the window
[04:25] <stelis> This is just not a very interesting bit of documentation
[04:26] <fumbalah> What are you working on?Specifically
[04:26] <stelis> Customizing the Edubuntu desktop
[04:26] <stelis> e.g. changing the theme, language settings etc.
[04:27] <fumbalah> Ah
[04:27] <fumbalah> I think I may setup a machine with that here
[04:28] <stelis> It's well worth it
[04:28] <stelis> It's a thin client system with basically zero setup
[04:29] <fumbalah> Do I have to have a main server setuop>
[04:29] <stelis> The default installation silently configures all the network services needed for TC
[04:30] <stelis> The only odd requirement is that prefers two NICs
[04:30] <stelis> One for main network and one for the TC network
[04:30] <stelis> It automatically provides DHCP to the TC network
[04:30] <stelis> I'm using VMware to fake a network ATM 
[04:31] <fumbalah> Alright
[04:33] <fumbalah> I think I'm going to set it u in a mini-lab situation
[04:35] <stelis> Should work pretty well.
[04:35] <stelis> If you use modern PCs they will have PXE network boot support built-in, so you just need to set them to boot from the network in the BIOS.
[04:37] <fumbalah> Alrighty
[04:37] <fumbalah> Does it support ldap/active directory authentication
[04:37] <stelis> Ah
[04:38] <fumbalah> We have 2200 students so we need to be able to use the existing authentication protocol
[04:38] <stelis> You can do that with any Linux distro via Winbind, but the lead developer wants to add more support in Feisty
[04:38] <fumbalah> ah
[04:38] <stelis> He's very keen to do so, in fact
[04:39] <fumbalah> Do you have an email address for him? 
[04:39] <stelis> The edubuntu-devel mailing list is probably the best point of contact
[04:40] <fumbalah> Alright
[04:40] <fumbalah> I just need to be able to prove proof of concept to our LAN Manager
[04:40] <stelis> If you check the archive there was a brief comment 
[04:40] <stelis> I see
[04:41] <fumbalah> yea, he'd be willing to try it
[04:41] <stelis> Cool.
[04:41] <stelis> A lot of managers I know still pull faces when you say "Linux"
[04:43] <fumbalah> Ours is pretty cool
[04:43] <fumbalah> We have a lot of custom educational tools written in ruby and a lot of things hooked in with linux
[04:44] <stelis> Woah!
[04:45] <fumbalah> Yea
[04:45] <fumbalah> We're pretty cutting edge 
[04:46] <stelis> Definitely.
[04:46] <stelis> Where is this, if you don't mind me asking?
[04:46] <fumbalah> A district in kentucky
[04:46] <fumbalah> Its more our school then 
[04:46] <fumbalah> like fayette
[04:46] <fumbalah> wow, that makes no sense
[04:47] <fumbalah> Its the fayette county school disstrict
[04:47] <fumbalah> but it is more our specific school in the district
[04:48] <stelis> It does seem to be down to individuals to push for OSS, ATM
[04:48] <fumbalah> Yea
[04:48] <fumbalah> Most of us are all about it
[04:50] <stelis> Great. I'm in an area in the UK where the county IT people love it, but my particular employer is lagging behind.
[04:50] <stelis> I was stunned to find a department hacking on Moodle two week ago, though.
[04:50] <fumbalah> We;re using moodle
[04:50] <fumbalah> :)
[04:50] <stelis> :)
[04:51] <stelis> It seems to everywhere
[04:51] <fumbalah> We like it, as do most of our teachers
[04:51] <stelis> These guys hadn't heard of Ubuntu, and knew basically nothing about Linux, but people at some other institution had tipped them off
[04:52] <stelis> (About Moodle)
[04:52] <fumbalah> ah
[04:52] <stelis> We tried to implement a proprietary LMS, but the vendor fluffed it themselves
[04:52] <fumbalah> Well, I'm excited to try kubuntu
[04:52] <fumbalah> edubuntu*
[04:53] <stelis> It doesn't include Moodle, but there is a school management system built-in
[04:53] <stelis> SchoolTool
[04:54] <stelis> Apparently the fact that Moodle uses PHP is a concern
[04:54] <fumbalah> ah
[04:54] <fumbalah> I'd love to see it in rails
[04:54] <fumbalah> just cause rails cuts down on some much of the code
[04:55] <stelis> That's what I was thinking
[04:55] <stelis> Also I like the way that Rails makes installing and maintaining apps easier
[04:55] <fumbalah> Do you have an email adress in case I have any quesitons?
[04:56] <fumbalah> I'll hit the mailing list for most
[04:57] <stelis> This is me: https://launchpad.net/people/stuart-ellis
[04:57] <stelis> Feel free to drop by #edubuntu
[04:57] <fumbalah> Alrighty
[04:58] <stelis> I'm not a dev, but they hang out there
[04:58] <stelis> And I'm on whenever I can
[04:58] <fumbalah> alright, same here for the most part
[05:00] <fumbalah> stelis: If you ever need me to proofread anything please feel free
[05:02] <stelis> Thanks.
[05:02] <fumbalah> https://launchpad.net/people/brett-meadors
[05:02] <fumbalah> That's me
[05:02] <stelis> The Handbook is in svn under edubuntu/handbook/C/
[05:03] <fumbalah> Alrighty
[05:03] <fumbalah> I'll grab that when i get home
[05:05] <fumbalah> would be way tpp slow from school
[05:05] <stelis> They block all the ports here
[05:06] <fumbalah> I'd have to wait till i could get on my laptop anyway to svn
[05:06] <fumbalah> cuase this is just a permannent connection to iRC
[05:11] <fumbalah> this page needs aa lot of work
[05:12] <stelis> I suggest this revision: "Please stop using FTP. It's broken."
[05:13] <fumbalah> lol
[05:14] <fumbalah> Why do you say that?
[05:14] <stelis> Because SSH and WebDAV do everything that FTP does, but a lot of people just don't don't seem to know it.
[05:15] <fumbalah> yea, but ftp is easier for the end user
[05:20] <stelis> You might be surprised: http://www.elsn.org/SSH-HOWTO/ssh-howto.html
[05:20] <stelis> There are free Windows graphical clients, and Linux has graphical support built-in
[05:20] <fumbalah> Interesting
[05:21] <fumbalah> I'm doing a complete overhaul of this page though
[05:21] <stelis> It's a bit of a pet cause, sorry :)
[05:21] <fumbalah> all good
[05:21] <fumbalah> brb
[05:21] <fumbalah> Must call lexmark
[07:56] <fumbalah> Afteroon all
[07:57] <fumbalah> how is everyone doing?
[08:02] <fumbalah> nixternal: are you around?
[08:39] <nixternal> hey fumbalah, i am working on a couple of poopy windows boxes setting up a wifi thing for my sister
[08:41] <fumbalah> nixternal: Sounds like a blast
[08:41] <nixternal> never
[08:41] <nixternal> i hate having microsoft producs in my house
[08:41] <fumbalah> Did you get my email?
[08:41] <fumbalah> me too
[08:42] <fumbalah> I'm all linux
[08:42] <nixternal> haven't had a chance to look through just ye
[08:42] <nixternal> t
[08:42] <fumbalah> alright
[08:42] <nixternal> Brett?
[08:42] <fumbalah> yea
[08:42] <fumbalah> that'd be me
[08:42] <fumbalah> :)
[08:43] <nixternal> got it ;)
[08:43] <fumbalah> Alright, cool
[08:43] <nixternal> ya, im on the list of emailed people when it comes to wiki edits..it allows me to follow and make sure people aren't doing stuff they shouldn't be
[08:43] <fumbalah> Just started editing some wiki pages of yours so I just wanted you to look at them when you got a chance
[08:43] <fumbalah> Ah, that's a good thing to do
[08:45] <fumbalah> Why does your sister need windows?
[08:45] <nixternal> edit away
[08:46] <nixternal> she doesn't
[08:46] <fumbalah> just thinks she does?
[08:46] <nixternal> im not about to set her up with Linux now, that would mean way to many phone calls
[08:46] <fumbalah> lol
[08:46] <nixternal> i have a few hundred switchers now that i am maintaining
[08:46] <nixternal> 75% of them are on their own and flying
[08:46] <fumbalah> Nice :)
[08:46] <nixternal> the other 25% bug the hell out of me ;)
[08:46] <fumbalah> lol
[08:47] <fumbalah> How would i go about rrequesting a page link be changed?
[08:47] <fumbalah> proftp shoud be proftpd
[08:50] <nixternal> well, the application is proftp
[08:50] <nixternal> it is only setup as a daemon in /etc/init.d
[08:51] <nixternal> interesting how microsoft does their autoupdates
[08:51] <crimsun> no.
[08:51] <nixternal> if you run snoop on a machine doing it, they use a setup similar to apt-get
[08:51] <fumbalah> nixternal: but it is listed as proftpd by the people that make the software
[08:51] <crimsun> ProFTPD is the app.
[08:51] <nixternal> thats what i said
[08:51] <nixternal> oh., the d
[08:52] <nixternal> i thought the app itself was proftp, didn't know the app included teh daemon
[08:52] <fumbalah> yea
[08:52] <nixternal> learn something new every day
[08:52] <fumbalah> yup :_
[08:52] <crimsun> the daemon _is_ the app :)
[08:52] <fumbalah> :-)
[08:52] <fumbalah> nixternal: How would i go about changing that in the wiki/
[08:53] <nixternal> hrmm...create the page, copy over the info from proftp page to the new page, and then redirect the old page to the new page
[08:53] <fumbalah> Alright
[08:53] <fumbalah> I'm going to finish all my editing to it first
[08:55] <fumbalah> Are they pllaning on dropping docbook with the new releease?
[08:55] <nixternal> not that i know of
[08:56] <fumbalah> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TopicBasedHelp
[08:56] <fumbalah> It sounds like they are looking to move awayfrom docbook
[08:57] <fumbalah> or at least using chapters now
[08:58] <nixternal> ya
[08:58] <nixternal> i am reading htat now
[08:59] <fumbalah> Kind of interesting
[09:00] <nixternal> thank god that only applies to Ubuntu docs and not Kubuntu or Xubuntu docs
[09:00] <fumbalah> Really
[09:01] <fumbalah> I didnt know that?
[09:01] <nixternal> ya, Project Mallard is GNOME
[09:01] <nixternal> i do mainly Kubuntu docs with just a handfull of us
[09:01] <fumbalah> ah
[09:01] <fumbalah> I think your pretty well stuck with my then, cause I only use kubuntu
[09:01] <fumbalah> and sooner or later edubuntu
[09:02] <nixternal> i use them all, but I have bene using kde since day one
[09:02] <fumbalah> ah
[09:02] <nixternal> i have tried to switch at one time, just recently to learn something new, and found myself getting annoyed easily
[09:02] <fumbalah> I like kubuntu, and hope to be rolling out edbuntu in our school
[09:04] <nixternal> kubuntu docs are getting rewritten, we just haven't come up with how just yet
[09:04] <fumbalah> I wouldnt mind a little bit of input
[09:05] <fumbalah> once the time comes around to decide
[09:05] <nixternal> we will need as much input as possible, so
[09:07] <fumbalah> Will that be over the mailing list or in a meeting?
[09:08] <nixternal> meeting more than likely, but there will be acombo of some mailing list as well
[09:08] <nixternal> it is usually published at least a week in advance of when a meeting will be
[09:08] <fumbalah> Alright, and that will be all the kubuntu doc people and then any volunteers?
[09:09] <nixternal> i need to get a jump on things though, because starting at the end of january i will be enrolled in over 20 credit hours ;(
[09:11] <fumbalah> Just let me know
[09:28] <mdke> meh. this makes no sense.
[09:30] <nixternal> hehe
[10:09] <nixternal> Burgwork: http://www.ubuntu.com/downloads <> is it possible to have the buring the cd rom link go directly to the h.u.c/community location instead of the wiki, so people don't see the nasty redirect?
[10:55] <mdke> nixternal: I'll do it
[10:55] <nixternal> coolio
[11:11] <Burgwork> nixternal: mdke and myself have write access to the website. You can also file a bug
[11:13] <mpt> Burgwork, now would be a good time to raise objections to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/topic-based-help if you have any :-)
[11:17] <Burgwork> right, that work thing