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| fernando | hi all | 01:10 |
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| knix | Are there any plans to build mpd packages with aac support? | 01:18 |
| crimsun | not currently | 01:18 |
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| crimsun | faad2 | 2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp-0ubuntu3 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/multiverse Sources | 01:18 |
| crimsun | mpd | 0.12.1-1ubuntu1 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Sources | 01:18 |
| crimsun | a source package in universe cannot build-depend on binary packages in multiverse. | 01:19 |
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| knix | so is it a licensing issue? | 01:20 |
| crimsun | potential patent issue is one reason. The real reason is technical, as I just explained. | 01:22 |
| Fujitsu | gtkpod-aac works around that issue by having the source package duplicated and producing a binary in multiverse, but it's a nasty workaround, and it makes maintaining gtkpod inconvenient. | 01:29 |
| crimsun | yes, it's lovely. With a sharp pointy object. | 01:31 |
| Fujitsu | Very. | 01:31 |
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| LaserJock | crimsun: if you got more advance notice of when/where the next UDS was could you make it? | 02:01 |
| crimsun | I can't make it in May 2007; I'm already committed | 02:03 |
| crimsun | quite frustrating, since I had hoped to make it to that one | 02:03 |
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| LaserJock | crimsun: darn, yeah | 02:05 |
| LaserJock | in one of the BOFs they talked about setting the location/date much sooner | 02:05 |
| LaserJock | I was hoping that'd give you enough time | 02:05 |
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| crimsun | nice bit o' history in -devel, eh? | 02:34 |
| bhale | yes. | 02:34 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun: Heheh, yeah. | 02:34 |
| bhale | good times, if you were here | 02:34 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 02:35 |
| jsgotangco | i remember how everyone got online on the day of release | 02:35 |
| jsgotangco | before things got automated | 02:35 |
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| bluefoxicy | is anyone opposed to Stratagus 2.2 and Invasion: Battle of Survival 2.0 going in universe in Edgy+1? | 02:36 |
| bluefoxicy | they're in beta, they'll be out by release most likely | 02:36 |
| crimsun | not at all, and now's the time to make it get into Feisty. | 02:36 |
| crimsun | (eh, I guess I'm speaking for me and not "anyone"->"everyone") | 02:37 |
| jsgotangco | they maybe good additions for sure | 02:37 |
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| bluefoxicy | well we have BOS and Stratagus, just the current versions | 02:37 |
| bluefoxicy | note currently Invasion: Battle of Survival has like 3 unique maps, 3 types of attackers, and 2 types of vehicles; and 2.0 has like 6 types of vehicles and more assult guys, it's pretty major | 02:38 |
| bluefoxicy | I'm just checking to see if it's ok to throw beta stuff into the dev branch | 02:38 |
| === bluefoxicy will look into that later then, when he's on Feisty. | ||
| minghua | bluefoxicy: you are talking about games, right? | 02:39 |
| bluefoxicy | yes | 02:39 |
| minghua | I think having development branch games in universe is quite all right | 02:40 |
| minghua | the wesnoth we have in edgy is the development branch | 02:40 |
| Fujitsu | minghua: Exactly what I was going to say. We often have wesnoth development branches, as far as I know. | 02:40 |
| bluefoxicy | alright. I'll have to test it out to make sure it works (dot dot dot smiley face) but I'll see about getting it uploaded once I'm sitting on Feisty. | 02:41 |
| bluefoxicy | well, unless the current maintainer beats me to it anyway ;P | 02:41 |
| minghua | Fujitsu: yeah, I mention that because we deliberately reverted wesnoth to stable branch for dapper at the last minute | 02:42 |
| Fujitsu | Probably a good idea. | 02:42 |
| Fujitsu | That branch is going stable shortly, I believe. | 02:42 |
| === bluefoxicy has played dev branch of wesnoth on windows, which also currently seems to be a large step up | ||
| bluefoxicy | yes Wesnoth dev is currently OFFICIALLY rc1 | 02:43 |
| minghua | yeah, wesnoth 1.2 does look like a good step forward | 02:44 |
| minghua | (I only looked at screenshots though) | 02:44 |
| bluefoxicy | Wesnoth is probably the best turn based strategy we have right now; BOS is probably the best real time strategy (I don't think anyone's uploaded Glest yet, which looks comparable) | 02:44 |
| bluefoxicy | minghua: I installed the windows version | 02:44 |
| Fujitsu | So, we need to get people to backport it to Hoary, Breezy, Dapper, and Edgy, while breaking as much stuff as possible. | 02:44 |
| bluefoxicy | minghua: it had a lot more campaigns, I played one on easy and got my ass kicked hard. | 02:45 |
| minghua | what? no warty backports? :-P | 02:45 |
| bluefoxicy | heh is it really appropriate to backport games | 02:45 |
| minghua | bluefoxicy: wesnoth? yeah, that's a hard game (to me). I haven't finished a story yet | 02:46 |
| bluefoxicy | ouch | 02:46 |
| crimsun | minghua: I'm still quite fond of Warty, actually | 02:46 |
| bluefoxicy | current stratagus package is brute force debian packaging, no CDBS or anything. | 02:47 |
| bhale | hah "brute force" | 02:47 |
| bhale | its a make file | 02:47 |
| bhale | and debhelper | 02:47 |
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| bhale | which is pretty much the standard | 02:47 |
| bluefoxicy | have you read one? CDBS 4 lines -> 100 lines debhelper :P | 02:48 |
| bluefoxicy | (I'm only being slighly absurd) | 02:48 |
| bhale | i have been packaging for ubuntu since what we just found out was a bit before September 2004 | 02:48 |
| bhale | I have seen a rules file before | 02:48 |
| bluefoxicy | "what we just found out" | 02:48 |
| bluefoxicy | retroactive temporal injects? | 02:49 |
| bhale | no, we are chatting about history | 02:49 |
| bluefoxicy | "Nothing happened on October 15, 2003... oh wait, yes, some abstract event just came across the void and added that day to history" | 02:49 |
| minghua | crimsun: I first installed warty, too. so I suppose it's special to me as well | 02:49 |
| minghua | crimsun: but do you still have a warty install? | 02:49 |
| bhale | minghua: it was groundbreaking, as ive already said | 02:50 |
| crimsun | minghua: "of course not!" | 02:50 |
| bhale | Linux 2.6, GNOME and Utopia came together the way they were menat to be came together in a distro | 02:50 |
| bhale | and it ruled | 02:50 |
| crimsun | which is of course not-so-crypt for "yes, and I get to keep the pieces" | 02:50 |
| bluefoxicy | I just wish it was more light-weight. | 02:51 |
| bhale | it? | 02:51 |
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| bluefoxicy | <bhale> Linux 2.6, GNOME and Utopia came together the way they were menat to be came together in a distro | 02:51 |
| bluefoxicy | bhale: it :P | 02:51 |
| bluefoxicy | bhale: unless the distro is male now... or female? ( http://www.aros.org/ ) | 02:52 |
| bhale | sigh | 02:52 |
| bluefoxicy | what | 02:52 |
| bhale | i can always count on you to reference sexual deviance | 02:52 |
| bluefoxicy | dude | 02:53 |
| crimsun | I honestly don't mind Ubuntu being "heavier" than $someother, since I have pretty high confidence that I can hand a Dapper CD to $randomschmoe and have it work instead of walking $randomschmoe through asoundconf(1) and fstab(5) | 02:53 |
| bluefoxicy | that's an operating system, it just happens to have a (naked) (furry) female mascot | 02:53 |
| bluefoxicy | also I thought the joke about computer software gender was very tasteful | 02:54 |
| bhale | it wasnt bad, but it triggered bad memories | 02:54 |
| bhale | you know, the times I banned you daily | 02:55 |
| bluefoxicy | XD | 02:55 |
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| jdong | sheesh, subversion takes like 2 minutes to compile and an hour to run its test suite | 03:03 |
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| jdong | the only thing missing from it is solving sudoku puzzles in multiple dimensions via string theory | 03:04 |
| minghua | I take that as a good sign | 03:04 |
| jdong | minghua: aren't you just mr. positive? :D | 03:04 |
| minghua | (the long test run, not the missing sudoku puzzles) | 03:04 |
| minghua | jdong: well, if you don't want to run the test cases, you can always turn them off | 03:05 |
| jdong | is that what building the package executes, or is there an even LONGER one? :D | 03:05 |
| minghua | jdong: (i do know as a backporter your position is sort of different) | 03:05 |
| jdong | minghua: well, I'm evaluating the package for backporting, I don't have that luxury :D | 03:05 |
| jdong | and you read my mind :) | 03:05 |
| minghua | so I said _I_ take it as a good sign, does not necessarily mean you should take it as a good sign too :-P | 03:07 |
| jdong | speaking of that, is subversion appropriate for backporting? | 03:07 |
| jdong | My initial reaction was to carefully touch it with a 10 foot pole | 03:07 |
| jdong | according to subversion's site, minor versions should not change the API except to add new functions | 03:08 |
| minghua | my general feeling is that subversion is actually rather safe | 03:08 |
| jdong | and unfortunately the package appears to build cleanly in backports | 03:08 |
| minghua | not a lot of packages depend on libsvnX | 03:09 |
| jdong | it doesn't seem like it | 03:10 |
| jdong | which surprised me | 03:10 |
| minghua | and if we are talking about a 1.3.x to 1.3.y upgrade, I think it may be okay | 03:10 |
| jdong | minghua: what they want is a dapper->edgy upgrade | 03:10 |
| jdong | 1.2.x to 1.3.x | 03:10 |
| jdong | I'm researching the changelog between the two now | 03:11 |
| minghua | the real culprit is usually the berkeley DB upgrade | 03:11 |
| jdong | minghua: did the on-disk layout change between 1.2 and 1.3? | 03:11 |
| jdong | I know it did between 1.3 and 1.4 | 03:11 |
| minghua | exactly what I was thinking | 03:11 |
| minghua | no, definitely earlier than 1.4 | 03:11 |
| jdong | hmm | 03:11 |
| minghua | fsfs became default either in 1.2 or 1.3 | 03:11 |
| jdong | oh | 03:12 |
| thom | but that's not a change in on disk layout of preexisting repos | 03:12 |
| thom | it's just a change of default | 03:12 |
| minghua | or you are talking about the work dir layout? | 03:12 |
| thom | for new repos | 03:12 |
| minghua | that's 1.4 I believe | 03:12 |
| minghua | and thom is right, new subversion can reads old berkely DB repo just fine | 03:13 |
| Fujitsu | minghua: Sure? I'm pretty sure I had to dump and reimport on an upgrade a few months ago... | 03:14 |
| minghua | Fujitsu: that's more likely a DB upgrade | 03:14 |
| jdong | I'd personally like for it to be backwards and forwards compatible | 03:14 |
| jdong | Keeping Dapper as a consistent platform is nice | 03:14 |
| minghua | I believe the repo side is backward compatible since 1.0 | 03:15 |
| minghua | subversion people are quite serious about compatibility | 03:15 |
| jdong | it appears so | 03:15 |
| jdong | I'm more worried about the server side | 03:15 |
| jdong | on the client side, svn checkouts are quite cheap | 03:15 |
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| jdong | sheesh | 03:16 |
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| Mez | <minghua> subversion people are quite serious about compatibility | 03:29 |
| Mez | tell that to cscvs ;) | 03:29 |
| jdong | finally! it built | 03:30 |
| minghua | Mez: cscvs? as in "cscvs is a tool which implements an abstraction layer over CVS constraining it to operations which have atomic changeset semantics"? | 03:31 |
| Mez | minghua, cscvs is the program which imports SVN/CVS stuff into the supermirror | 03:32 |
| minghua | Mez: and they have problem with svn repo layouts? | 03:34 |
| Mez | they have probelm with SVN repos ;) | 03:35 |
| minghua | I honestly know nothing about svn. I suspect cscvs is not using the public svn API though | 03:36 |
| minghua | you are not supposed to read other people's raw data file after all | 03:37 |
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| fbond | hmm. My package midisport-firmware never actually got uploaded, although It was approved for edgy ... | 04:17 |
| fbond | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3063 | 04:17 |
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| fbond | I suppose it will be held off until feisty now? | 04:17 |
| crimsun | fbond: of course | 04:25 |
| crimsun | fbond: and no, don't subscribe Scott yet. Pinging him on irc and asking him to look is sufficient. (I'm actually not sure why I was subscribed to that bug...) | 04:26 |
| rmjb | when feisty is out to build on will there be a notice sent out to the ubuntu-motu list? | 04:29 |
| LaserJock | it can be built on now | 04:30 |
| rmjb | really? I can generate a pbuilder for it now? | 04:30 |
| crimsun | yes | 04:31 |
| fbond | crimsun, sorry if I subscribed you inappropriately; I'd been considering you somewhat authoritative on the subject | 04:32 |
| crimsun | np | 04:32 |
| fbond | I will ping Scott -- he is keybuck, yes? | 04:33 |
| crimsun | yes, but I wouldn't ping him until next week | 04:33 |
| fbond | ok | 04:33 |
| crimsun | UDS isn't a good time to hope for action | 04:33 |
| fbond | oh, right ... slipped my mind | 04:33 |
| rmjb | cool, how long does it usually take for the first ... umm... installable version to come out? | 04:34 |
| rmjb | like how edgy had knot1 and so on | 04:34 |
| crimsun | rmjb: meaning a tagged milestone? Depends on the schedule. | 04:34 |
| rmjb | hmm... guess what I'm asking is, I can build for feisty, but if I want to test I should have feisty somewhere... is there a way to install it? | 04:35 |
| rmjb | using deboot, chroot, apt-get install ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard? | 04:35 |
| crimsun | rmjb: create an edgy chroot and dist-upgrade it to feisty | 04:35 |
| rmjb | ah, thanks | 04:36 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun: Or create a feisty chroot. | 04:36 |
| rmjb | okay I'll have to do that | 04:36 |
| crimsun | or that. I normally don't create new devel chroots until at least the first tagged milestone | 04:36 |
| Fujitsu | It works fine at the moment. | 04:36 |
| rmjb | where's the common place for chroots? /opt? | 04:37 |
| crimsun | wherever you'd like | 04:38 |
| crimsun | I normally don't have root access on my build machines, so I use ~/pbuilder/ | 04:38 |
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| === jdong just noticed that kernels don't like ~6.10prevu1 in their version :D | ||
| crimsun | interesting. I would have chosen -0ubuntu0.6.10 . | 04:41 |
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| LaserJock | ah, the joys of versioning | 04:42 |
| jdong | crimsun: hmm, what if a 1ubuntu2 already existed? | 04:42 |
| jdong | then 1ubuntu2.0.6.1.0? | 04:42 |
| jdong | s/1.0/10/ | 04:43 |
| crimsun | for what package? | 04:43 |
| jdong | crimsun: just as a general example | 04:43 |
| crimsun | general examples are hard </barbie> | 04:43 |
| jdong | crimsun: and the linux-source packages won't like it with that many subversions either | 04:43 |
| crimsun | that's why you use --append-to-version | 04:44 |
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| Mez | jdong: I got beryl working | 04:45 |
| Mez | almost | 04:45 |
| jdong | Mez: yay! have a cookie! | 04:45 |
| jdong | crimsun: you think the ktorrent changes we talked about earlier can go into feisty? | 04:45 |
| Mez | jdong: cept for that emerald doesnt work | 04:45 |
| jdong | feisty's open for uploads, right? | 04:45 |
| crimsun | anything goes this early in feisty | 04:45 |
| crimsun | yes | 04:46 |
| jdong | crimsun: would you be willing to do that? | 04:46 |
| jdong | or should I find someone else? | 04:46 |
| crimsun | I'd fine w/ uploading it, but I'd rather it be discussed in #kubuntu-devel first with at least sarah and brandon | 04:46 |
| jdong | crimsun: gotcha, I'll run it past them next time I see em | 04:47 |
| crimsun | they're more familiar w/ its possible regressions than I am (since I'm not a consistent KDE user) | 04:47 |
| jdong | alright | 04:47 |
| jdong | upstream's ok with those changes being backported to the 2.0 series | 04:48 |
| Toadstool | good evening everybody! | 04:48 |
| Fujitsu | Hey Toadstool. | 04:49 |
| Toadstool | hi Fujitsu | 04:49 |
| Fujitsu | I've not seen you around these parts for a while. | 04:49 |
| Toadstool | I've been very busy at work | 04:50 |
| Toadstool | and visited southern California during weekends ;) | 04:50 |
| Fujitsu | Heheh. | 04:51 |
| Toadstool | you're all preparing feisty at UDS-MV? :) | 04:52 |
| Fujitsu | Oh yes, every one of us is there. | 04:52 |
| jdong | my sarcasm detector is going off | 04:53 |
| crimsun | we had to sneak Fujitsu in through a carry-on | 04:53 |
| Toadstool | heh | 04:53 |
| jdong | crimsun: hehe, we actually tried that on our robotics team | 04:54 |
| jdong | we got detained by the TSA for 6 hours | 04:54 |
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| Toadstool | there's no UniverseFreeze date fixed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule, it has not been decided yet? | 04:57 |
| === Toadstool is going through the list of UDS-MV specs | ||
| crimsun | probably not | 04:58 |
| crimsun | I'm guessing it'll be mid-March for universe UVF and early April for universe FF | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | perhaps UVF and FF will ably to Universe and Main at the same time | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | s/ably/aply | 04:59 |
| Fujitsu | And it'd better NOT be at the same time as beta. | 04:59 |
| Toadstool | yup | 04:59 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: s/a{b,p}ly/apply/ | 04:59 |
| Fujitsu | *a[bp] ly | 04:59 |
| Fujitsu | Better. | 05:00 |
| LaserJock | yeah, yeah | 05:00 |
| LaserJock | trying to eat here | 05:00 |
| crimsun | it would be _great_ if universe froze in early March | 05:00 |
| crimsun | then we could actually do some ... testing? | 05:00 |
| Toadstool | do what? :) | 05:00 |
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| Fujitsu | I was just thinking `March? Isn't that a bit early?', then I realised we're releasing in April, not June. | 05:02 |
| LaserJock | mhm | 05:02 |
| LaserJock | UVF was like Jan 28th or something for Dapper | 05:03 |
| Fujitsu | Aw, don't you guys want another publicity disaster like Edgy? | 05:04 |
| LaserJock | I wouldn't call it a "disaster" | 05:04 |
| Burgundavia | Fujitsu: I wouldn't call it a disaster | 05:05 |
| Fujitsu | Not quite, but it was getting there. | 05:05 |
| Fujitsu | `Ubuntu 6.10 upgrades a nightmare' on the top of Slashdot for many an hour... Blogs everywhere... | 05:06 |
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| Burgundavia | that is pretty minor | 05:07 |
| Fujitsu | Not really. | 05:08 |
| Fujitsu | I've not seen such things about other distros' upgrades exploding recently. | 05:08 |
| Toadstool | oh, wow... universe/multiverse repositories enabled by default? :) | 05:10 |
| minghua | ...because people don't expect other distros to be upgraded from old version? | 05:11 |
| minghua | :-P | 05:11 |
| minghua | seriously though, I honestly don't hear much about upgradability of fedora or suse | 05:12 |
| Fujitsu | Red Hat always upgraded perfectly, not sure about Fedora, I presume it's similar. | 05:13 |
| LaserJock | mhm | 05:13 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I think Ubuntu is the first distro I've actually tried upgrading from an existing install | 05:14 |
| minghua | I admit I did read people saying edgy is "the biggest failure of operating system upgrade since Windows ME to 2000" though, and I do know that's a pretty low standard :-( | 05:15 |
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| crimsun | well that's interesting. With Edgy's galeon, loading the yahoo mail beta in a tab results in that tab being refreshed erratically (roughly every 1-2 seconds with that tab's window contents jumping all over the screen). The problem disappears when yahoo mail beta opens in a new window. | 06:03 |
| Fujitsu | Impressive. | 06:04 |
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| Mez | Mwuahahaha | 06:07 |
| Mez | bling is good :D | 06:07 |
| Mez | cept for dodgy fonts ;) | 06:07 |
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| adedov | hi | 06:16 |
| adedov | where can I get reference what I need to do in order to incorporate my package into distro? | 06:17 |
| crimsun | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New | 06:17 |
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| adedov | thanks | 06:18 |
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| Chandu | hi | 07:03 |
| Chandu | I want to know ho Ubuntu has done boot message very simple ..rather than Debian echoing lot of boot messages | 07:03 |
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| Lathiat | Chandu: passing 'quiet' to the kernel is a good start | 07:06 |
| Lathiat | Chandu: shuts up alot of the kernel messages | 07:06 |
| Chandu | Lathiat, ok | 07:10 |
| Chandu | Lathiat, But In Ubuntu it is giving like "Starting NFS server OK" same as Fedora r redhat .. How u have done that | 07:10 |
| Lathiat | oh, thats just some custom init stuff | 07:11 |
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| Lathiat | see the lsb includes | 07:11 |
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| Chandu | Lathiat, Where should i see that ..lsb includes . | 07:18 |
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| Chandu | Lathiat, custom init stuff .. How do I cutomize my init stuff ...(I hope its init scripts) | 07:22 |
| Chandu | Lathiat, r u there | 07:28 |
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| Lathiat | Chandu: check one of the init scripts that use it | 07:38 |
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| TheMuso | Wow that PulseAudio spec is quite ambicious. | 08:05 |
| Burgundavia | TheMuso: lennart did write avahi | 08:05 |
| TheMuso | Burgundavia: Oh ok. Didn't know that. | 08:06 |
| Burgundavia | along with Lathiat | 08:06 |
| TheMuso | Yeah | 08:06 |
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| phanatic | morning | 08:47 |
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| Jozo- | Hobbsee: ping. Gnunet merge updated (bug 66507) | 10:40 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 66507 in gnunet "[DEBDIFF] gnunet: merge new debian version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/66507 | 10:40 |
| Hobbsee | Jozo-: | 10:41 |
| Hobbsee | Jozo-: yay | 10:41 |
| Hobbsee | Jozo-: http://merges.ubuntu.com/g/gnunet/REPORT | 10:42 |
| Hobbsee | and only hte .1 debdiff is listed there - not the .2 | 10:43 |
| Hobbsee | ohh, there's the new one, right | 10:43 |
| Hobbsee | Jozo-: i'd prefer to get someone from the gnome end to sanity-check that... | 10:47 |
| crimsun | that is one heck of a confusing bug report | 10:50 |
| crimsun | so which of these debdiffs should I be ignoring? | 10:50 |
| Jozo- | crimsun: Use latest for feisty and ignore rest of them. | 10:52 |
| crimsun | mm, 90% of it is .po | 10:53 |
| crimsun | Jozo-: pbuilt in feisty and confirmed working in a feisty install? | 10:53 |
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| crimsun | the debdiff looks sane | 10:53 |
| Jozo- | crimsun: Builds fine. Not tested to install | 10:54 |
| crimsun | please test-upgrade, execute, test-remove, and test-install in a feisty chroot | 10:54 |
| Jozo- | Current version in Edgy doesn't even install cleanly. (due but 66467) | 10:54 |
| Jozo- | s/but/bug/ | 10:55 |
| crimsun | do you attempt to handle a failed install? | 10:55 |
| Jozo- | Do whatever you want with those patches. I'm getting out this mess... | 10:55 |
| crimsun | if not, you should. | 10:55 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: there's a hook for that, you knwo :) B91 | 10:58 |
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| TheMuso | crimsun: Thanks. | 11:22 |
| crimsun | np. | 11:22 |
| TheMuso | You're up late. | 11:22 |
| crimsun | I have a presentation in 2.5 hours. | 11:23 |
| TheMuso | ah | 11:23 |
| TheMuso | I dunno how you do it. | 11:23 |
| crimsun | powernaps | 11:23 |
| TheMuso | right | 11:24 |
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| sistpoty | hi folks | 11:30 |
| crimsun | 'lo sistpoty | 11:31 |
| sistpoty | hi crimsun | 11:31 |
| sistpoty | siretart: I'm at uni right now... in case you go for lunch, please ping me ;) | 11:31 |
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| siretart | sistpoty: sorry, I'm not at uni today. be there on monday again | 11:35 |
| sistpoty | siretart: ah, k... on monday, I won't be there, but on Tuesday | 11:35 |
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| siretart | sistpoty: okay, tuesday then. kathrin is at uni on tuesday as well, I think | 11:38 |
| sistpoty | :) | 11:38 |
| siretart | :) | 11:39 |
| chantra | arf, feisty fonts are ugly today :) | 11:41 |
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| gnomefreak | chantra: they were ugly yesterday too | 11:54 |
| chantra | just bootup on feisty today | 11:55 |
| chantra | upgrade libfontenc1 , xfonts-encodings | 11:59 |
| gnomefreak | chantra: im sure these are not final. | 12:00 |
| chantra | gnomefreak: yes sure :D | 12:04 |
| chantra | but the are f***ing annoying to read though | 12:04 |
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| chantra | gonna pack a package and reboot on edgy :) | 12:05 |
| gnomefreak | i agree but these things happen when you test things. | 12:07 |
| chantra | gnomefreak: yep i know | 12:08 |
| chantra | actually, i'm having a better font quality using text based application such as irssi | 12:09 |
| chantra | i migh surf the net with linx today ;) | 12:09 |
| chantra | s/linx/links/g | 12:10 |
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| Fujitsu | chantra: Remove ttf-arphic-uming, that will fix the font problem. | 12:13 |
| Fujitsu | The new upstream version of that has a nasty mistake which causes it to be preferred over all others. | 12:14 |
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| gnomefreak | is there a known issue with unrar-free in edgy. not installing? | 12:15 |
| chantra | Fujitsu: you rock :) | 12:17 |
| chantra | what is the default ubuntu font though? | 12:17 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: no, i installed it yesterday | 12:18 |
| gnomefreak | hmm thats weird. brb | 12:18 |
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| jsgotangco | wow you're using crack huh | 12:28 |
| Fujitsu | jsgotangco: It's not crack. It's absolutely fine. | 12:28 |
| Fujitsu | (for the moment) | 12:28 |
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| jsgotangco | sure its because it wasn't broken on purpose yet | 12:28 |
| Hobbsee | hah | 12:29 |
| Hobbsee | yes, just to make sure that people werent "testing" expecting it all to work | 12:29 |
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| gnomefreak | .me thought you needed universe enabled to grab from multiverse :( | 12:29 |
| StevenK | gnomefreak: Each section is seperate. | 12:30 |
| jsgotangco | nahhh but your multiverse stuff might need something from universe chances are high | 12:30 |
| gnomefreak | yeah im seeing that :( | 12:30 |
| gnomefreak | he was able to grab java but not unrar-free | 12:30 |
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| jonh_wendell | guys, i've downloaded a package with apt-get source. How can i rebuild it, i haven't changed anything, i just want to rebuild it | 01:32 |
| jonh_wendell | just debuild command? | 01:32 |
| fernando | jonh_wendell: yes, or dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 01:33 |
| jonh_wendell | Hi fernando, good to see you here! | 01:33 |
| jonh_wendell | i just rebuilt the package. I'll install it. How can i back to ubuntu version after i make my tests? | 01:36 |
| geser | apt-get --reinstall install package | 01:38 |
| chantra | jonh_wendell: apt-get remove package_name | 01:38 |
| chantra | and install back | 01:39 |
| chantra | jonh_wendell: geser's way is better :) | 01:39 |
| jonh_wendell | :) | 01:40 |
| guibis | hi all ! | 01:43 |
| guibis | i can't upload my package, i received a mail who announced that it's rejected Rejected: | 01:44 |
| guibis | Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution. | 01:44 |
| guibis | Not permitted to upload to the RELEASE pocket in a release in the 'SUPPORTED' state. | 01:44 |
| guibis | 01:44 | |
| StevenK | You're trying to upload to edgy or dapper? | 01:45 |
| guibis | steven | 01:46 |
| guibis | StevenK: i think it's the problem. i i don't where indicate the distribution ... | 01:47 |
| guibis | i'm trying to upload to dapper. | 01:47 |
| StevenK | Why? | 01:48 |
| guibis | i don't know where upload to dapper ... | 01:48 |
| gnomefreak | guibis: you cant just upload things. you need to have someone else upload it after its accepted. | 01:49 |
| StevenK | Even so, uploading to dapper is wrong. | 01:50 |
| gnomefreak | good point | 01:50 |
| guibis | ok but why uploading to dapper is wrong ? | 01:50 |
| StevenK | Because Dapper was released in June. | 01:51 |
| gnomefreak | its stable would be one reason | 01:51 |
| guibis | oki | 01:52 |
| gnomefreak | edgy == some what uploadable (still under strict rules) iirc | 01:52 |
| guibis | oki | 01:52 |
| gnomefreak | StevenK: is ubuntu getting a welcome center for feisty (like the one being worked on for xubuntu)? | 01:53 |
| StevenK | I have no idea. | 01:53 |
| StevenK | Why would I know? :-) | 01:53 |
| gnomefreak | dont know i tried though ;) | 01:54 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: no it isnt. it's still released. | 01:54 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: it's gotta go thru SRU, just like any stable release | 01:55 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 01:55 |
| guibis | so i will concert with someone of ubuntu-fr ... | 01:55 |
| guibis | thanks | 01:55 |
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| asabil | hi all | 02:28 |
| asabil | is it possible to request an .deb here ? | 02:28 |
| Q-FUNK | ? | 02:29 |
| asabil | gtkglext python binding :) | 02:30 |
| asabil | I didn't succeed in building one myself | 02:30 |
| fernando | asabil: To request the packaging, add it to the MOTU/Packages/Candidates page | 02:30 |
| asabil | okey thanks | 02:31 |
| asabil | there is no express delivery service :D ? | 02:31 |
| fernando | asabil: put it in http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates | 02:32 |
| asabil | that's what I am doing fernando | 02:32 |
| fernando | asabil: i can to package it | 02:32 |
| asabil | :p | 02:32 |
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| fernando | asabil: A Debian/Ubuntu package for the Python bindings is available at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=6348&package_id=179437 | 02:37 |
| fernando | ? | 02:37 |
| luisbg | hello all | 02:37 |
| asabil | not working | 02:37 |
| asabil | iirc | 02:37 |
| fernando | hi lucas | 02:38 |
| fernando | ops | 02:38 |
| fernando | hi luisbg | 02:38 |
| luisbg | hi fernando | 02:38 |
| asabil | fernando, added to the wiki page | 02:40 |
| asabil | and thanks a lot :) | 02:40 |
| fernando | asabil: you're welcom | 02:40 |
| fernando | welcome | 02:40 |
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| fernando | asabil: apt-cache show libgtkglext1 | 03:11 |
| asabil | yes fernando ? | 03:19 |
| asabil | (sorry I was afk) | 03:20 |
| fernando | asabil: fernando@fernando:~$ apt-cache show libgtkglext1 | grep -i description | 03:23 |
| fernando | Description: OpenGL Extension to GTK (shared libraries) | 03:23 |
| asabil | yes ? | 03:24 |
| asabil | did I do something wrong in the wiki ? | 03:24 |
| fernando | asabil: it already in ubuntu | 03:25 |
| asabil | yep, but not the python binding | 03:25 |
| asabil | the ruby and c++ bindings are there | 03:25 |
| asabil | but not the python one | 03:25 |
| asabil | nop ? | 03:26 |
| fernando | asabil: then you need the pygtkglext-1.1.0.tar.gz ? | 03:26 |
| asabil | yep that's what I have put in the wiki | 03:26 |
| fernando | asabil: ok | 03:27 |
| asabil | sorry for the confusion | 03:27 |
| fernando | asabil: no problem | 03:27 |
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| fernando | asabil: is my mistake =) | 03:28 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:28 |
| fernando | hi bddebian | 03:29 |
| bddebian | Hello fernando | 03:29 |
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| zakame | hi all | 04:12 |
| bddebian | Heya zakame | 04:12 |
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| zakame | yo bddebian | 04:14 |
| zakame | hmm any reason why suspend2 isn't default in ubuntu? | 04:14 |
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| ajmitch | morning all | 04:19 |
| zakame | yo ajmitch | 04:20 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 04:20 |
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| bddebian | Heya ajmitch, jsgotangco | 04:33 |
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| jsgotangco | hi bddebian | 04:34 |
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| andreas__ | hi, i need to know which version of the rt2500 third party drivers ubuntu 5.10 shipped with. any idea where i could find such an information?(besides downloading the iso, of course) | 06:15 |
| LaserJock | andreas__: I'd guess packages.ubuntu.com | 06:16 |
| psusi | or launchpad... | 06:17 |
| LaserJock | well, LP takes a bit longer unless you know the URLs | 06:18 |
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| andreas__ | yep, found it | 06:47 |
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| lifeless | imbrandon: jo, abbout that channel limit :) | 08:07 |
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| psusi | anyone remember what the $ var is for the pid of the last forked pipeline? | 08:18 |
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| geser | psusi: are you looking for $! ? | 08:31 |
| psusi | yea, I found it in the info page finally ;) | 08:31 |
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| psusi | man I love bash | 08:33 |
| psusi | I just set up a command line to fork a dd copying bytes from /dev/random to /dev/null and another fork to send it a SIGUSR1 every 5 seconds to print how many bytes it has copied so far, leaving me at the command line to issue additional commands to poke /dev/urandom | 08:34 |
| psusi | strangely, writing bytes to /dev/urandom doesn't appear to increase the entropy pool.... | 08:34 |
| minghua | why is that strange? | 08:37 |
| minghua | writing pre-determined characters doesn't introduce entropy after all :-P | 08:37 |
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| psusi | I would think adding bytes to the entropy pool would increase the entrpopy count | 08:44 |
| psusi | looking at the kernel sources though, it looks like you have to call an ioctl to add bytes and have it count... strange.... | 08:44 |
| imbrandon | lifeless: ? | 08:51 |
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| gnomefreak | imbrandon: have you tried to make the changes to frostwire and have it run? i changes the runFrost.sh to #!/bin/bash and it doesnt work. also there is no changelog/control/or rules files to change anything in the tar. the .deb package has everything but a rules file and if i change them im not sure how to roll the changes back into a .deb | 09:19 |
| imbrandon | thats not the opnly place it needed changed, there are 2 shell scripts, but yea | 09:19 |
| imbrandon | i have it working | 09:19 |
| imbrandon | i will upload it to feisty later and let you see the patch | 09:20 |
| gnomefreak | ok ty | 09:20 |
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| lifeless | imbrandon: you offered to increase my freenode chan limit | 09:55 |
| lifeless | later.. | 09:55 |
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| Adri2000 | I can't find in the debian policy an explanation about the -data/-common binary packages | 10:11 |
| LaserJock | I don't know that there is a specific policy for them | 10:12 |
| Adri2000 | :-/ | 10:13 |
| LaserJock | use them as you need | 10:13 |
| Adri2000 | for a program with only a directory images/ of 1,8M, do you think it's useful? | 10:15 |
| LaserJock | perhaps | 10:17 |
| LaserJock | I guess it depends on how much arch dependent stuff you have | 10:18 |
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| LaserJock | and if another package could use of the data without the other parts | 10:18 |
| Adri2000 | I think images/ is the only arch indep thing | 10:20 |
| Adri2000 | LaserJock: and do you know the difference between -data and -common? | 10:20 |
| LaserJock | data's just data :-) | 10:21 |
| LaserJock | -common would be if there was stuff that multiple packages use | 10:21 |
| LaserJock | like a common core | 10:21 |
| Adri2000 | ok, sounds logic :) | 10:22 |
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| superm1 | imbrandon, are you around? | 10:33 |
| Adri2000 | should I put the locales in the -data package? | 10:36 |
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| geser | is it a program or a library? | 10:44 |
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| Adri2000 | geser: program | 10:45 |
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| geser | it depends on the ratio between arch-specific parts (executables) and arch-all data (locales) | 10:47 |
| geser | seperated it makes the arch-specific debs smaller | 10:47 |
| geser | but every addtional package increases the size of the Packages file | 10:47 |
| geser | and as an user will expect a translated program you should depend on the -data package to get the translations | 10:48 |
| Adri2000 | ok | 10:50 |
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| geser | hello lophyte | 11:47 |
| lophyte | hey geser | 11:47 |
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| geser | you can start doing the merges for you packages (if you want) | 11:47 |
| lophyte | I'll have to read up on how to do that.. never done merges | 11:48 |
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| geser | most of the work ist already done by merge-o-matic | 11:52 |
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| geser | you have to check if the patches are still needed (or included in Debian or simple obsolete) and merged correctly (and fix the merge conflicts) | 11:54 |
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| Lutin | Hello | 12:05 |
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| Sp4rKy | hi | 12:07 |
| Sp4rKy | please, if i modify a makefile.am because i get soft from CVS and it needs some modif to pass the make distcheck | 12:07 |
| Sp4rKy | is it accepted for ubuntu ? | 12:08 |
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