[01:10] <fernando> hi all
[01:18] <knix> Are there any plans to build mpd packages with aac support?
[01:18] <crimsun> not currently
[01:18] <crimsun>      faad2 | 2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp-0ubuntu3 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/multiverse Sources
[01:18] <crimsun>        mpd | 0.12.1-1ubuntu1 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Sources
[01:19] <crimsun> a source package in universe cannot build-depend on binary packages in multiverse.
[01:20] <knix> so is it a licensing issue?
[01:22] <crimsun> potential patent issue is one reason. The real reason is technical, as I just explained.
[01:29] <Fujitsu> gtkpod-aac works around that issue by having the source package duplicated and producing a binary in multiverse, but it's a nasty workaround, and it makes maintaining gtkpod inconvenient.
[01:31] <crimsun> yes, it's lovely. With a sharp pointy object.
[01:31] <Fujitsu> Very.
[02:01] <LaserJock> crimsun: if you got more advance notice of when/where the next UDS was could you make it?
[02:03] <crimsun> I can't make it in May 2007; I'm already committed
[02:03] <crimsun> quite frustrating, since I had hoped to make it to that one
[02:05] <LaserJock> crimsun: darn, yeah
[02:05] <LaserJock> in one of the BOFs they talked about setting the location/date much sooner
[02:05] <LaserJock> I was hoping that'd give you enough time
[02:34] <crimsun> nice bit o' history in -devel, eh?
[02:34] <bhale> yes.
[02:34] <Fujitsu> crimsun: Heheh, yeah.
[02:34] <bhale> good times, if you were here
[02:35] <jsgotangco> hehe
[02:35] <jsgotangco> i remember how everyone got online on the day of release
[02:35] <jsgotangco> before things got automated
[02:36] <bluefoxicy> is anyone opposed to Stratagus 2.2 and Invasion:  Battle of Survival 2.0 going in universe in Edgy+1?
[02:36] <bluefoxicy> they're in beta, they'll be out by release most likely
[02:36] <crimsun> not at all, and now's the time to make it get into Feisty.
[02:37] <crimsun> (eh, I guess I'm speaking for me and not "anyone"->"everyone")
[02:37] <jsgotangco> they maybe good additions for sure
[02:37] <bluefoxicy> well we have BOS and Stratagus, just the current versions
[02:38] <bluefoxicy> note currently Invasion: Battle of Survival has like 3 unique maps, 3 types of attackers, and 2 types of vehicles; and 2.0 has like 6 types of vehicles and more assult guys, it's pretty major
[02:38] <bluefoxicy> I'm just checking to see if it's ok to throw beta stuff into the dev branch
[02:39] <minghua> bluefoxicy: you are talking about games, right?
[02:39] <bluefoxicy> yes
[02:40] <minghua> I think having development branch games in universe is quite all right
[02:40] <minghua> the wesnoth we have in edgy is the development branch
[02:40] <Fujitsu> minghua: Exactly what I was going to say. We often have wesnoth development branches, as far as I know.
[02:41] <bluefoxicy> alright.  I'll have to test it out to make sure it works (dot dot dot smiley face) but I'll see about getting it uploaded once I'm sitting on Feisty.
[02:41] <bluefoxicy> well, unless the current maintainer beats me to it anyway ;P
[02:42] <minghua> Fujitsu: yeah, I mention that because we deliberately reverted wesnoth to stable branch for dapper at the last minute
[02:42] <Fujitsu> Probably a good idea.
[02:42] <Fujitsu> That branch is going stable shortly, I believe.
[02:43] <bluefoxicy> yes Wesnoth dev is currently OFFICIALLY rc1
[02:44] <minghua> yeah, wesnoth 1.2 does look like a good step forward
[02:44] <minghua> (I only looked at screenshots though)
[02:44] <bluefoxicy> Wesnoth is probably the best turn based strategy we have right now; BOS is probably the best real time strategy (I don't think anyone's uploaded Glest yet, which looks comparable)
[02:44] <bluefoxicy> minghua:  I installed the windows version
[02:44] <Fujitsu> So, we need to get people to backport it to Hoary, Breezy, Dapper, and Edgy, while breaking as much stuff as possible.
[02:45] <bluefoxicy> minghua:  it had a lot more campaigns, I played one on easy and got my ass kicked hard.
[02:45] <minghua> what? no warty backports?  :-P
[02:45] <bluefoxicy> heh is it really appropriate to backport games
[02:46] <minghua> bluefoxicy: wesnoth?  yeah, that's a hard game (to me).  I haven't finished a story yet
[02:46] <bluefoxicy> ouch
[02:46] <crimsun> minghua: I'm still quite fond of Warty, actually
[02:47] <bluefoxicy> current stratagus package is brute force debian packaging, no CDBS or anything.
[02:47] <bhale> hah "brute force"
[02:47] <bhale> its a make file
[02:47] <bhale> and debhelper
[02:47] <bhale> which is pretty much the standard
[02:48] <bluefoxicy> have you read one?  CDBS 4 lines -> 100 lines debhelper :P
[02:48] <bluefoxicy> (I'm only being slighly absurd)
[02:48] <bhale> i have been packaging for ubuntu since what we just found out was a bit before September 2004
[02:48] <bhale> I have seen a rules file before
[02:48] <bluefoxicy> "what we just found out"
[02:49] <bluefoxicy> retroactive temporal injects?
[02:49] <bhale> no, we are chatting about history
[02:49] <bluefoxicy> "Nothing happened on October 15, 2003... oh wait, yes, some abstract event just came across the void and added that day to history"
[02:49] <minghua> crimsun: I first installed warty, too.  so I suppose it's special to me as well
[02:49] <minghua> crimsun: but do you still have a warty install?
[02:50] <bhale> minghua: it was groundbreaking, as ive already said
[02:50] <crimsun> minghua: "of course not!"
[02:50] <bhale> Linux 2.6, GNOME and Utopia came together the way they were menat to be came together in a distro
[02:50] <bhale> and it ruled
[02:50] <crimsun> which is of course not-so-crypt for "yes, and I get to keep the pieces"
[02:51] <bluefoxicy> I just wish it was more light-weight.
[02:51] <bhale> it?
 Linux 2.6, GNOME and Utopia came together the way they were menat to be came together in a distro
[02:51] <bluefoxicy> bhale:  it :P
[02:52] <bluefoxicy> bhale:  unless the distro is male now... or female?  ( http://www.aros.org/ )
[02:52] <bhale> sigh
[02:52] <bluefoxicy> what
[02:52] <bhale> i can always count on you to reference sexual deviance
[02:53] <bluefoxicy> dude
[02:53] <crimsun> I honestly don't mind Ubuntu being "heavier" than $someother, since I have pretty high confidence that I can hand a Dapper CD to $randomschmoe and have it work instead of walking $randomschmoe through asoundconf(1) and fstab(5)
[02:53] <bluefoxicy> that's an operating system, it just happens to have a (naked) (furry) female mascot
[02:54] <bluefoxicy> also I thought the joke about computer software gender was very tasteful
[02:54] <bhale> it wasnt bad, but it triggered bad memories
[02:55] <bhale> you know, the times I banned you daily
[02:55] <bluefoxicy> XD
[03:03] <jdong> sheesh, subversion takes like 2 minutes to compile and an hour to run its test suite
[03:04] <jdong> the only thing missing from it is solving sudoku puzzles in multiple dimensions via string theory
[03:04] <minghua> I take that as a good sign
[03:04] <jdong> minghua: aren't you just mr. positive? :D
[03:04] <minghua> (the long test run, not the missing sudoku puzzles)
[03:05] <minghua> jdong: well, if you don't want to run the test cases, you can always turn them off
[03:05] <jdong> is that what building the package executes, or is there an even LONGER one? :D
[03:05] <minghua> jdong: (i do know as a backporter your position is sort of different)
[03:05] <jdong> minghua: well, I'm evaluating the package for backporting, I don't have that luxury :D
[03:05] <jdong> and you read my mind :)
[03:07] <minghua> so I said _I_ take it as a good sign, does not necessarily mean you should take it as a good sign too :-P
[03:07] <jdong> speaking of that, is subversion appropriate for backporting?
[03:07] <jdong> My initial reaction was to carefully touch it with a 10 foot pole
[03:08] <jdong> according to subversion's site, minor versions should not change the API except to add new functions
[03:08] <minghua> my general feeling is that subversion is actually rather safe
[03:08] <jdong> and unfortunately the package appears to build cleanly in backports
[03:09] <minghua> not a lot of packages depend on libsvnX
[03:10] <jdong> it doesn't seem like it
[03:10] <jdong> which surprised me
[03:10] <minghua> and if we are talking about a 1.3.x to 1.3.y upgrade, I think it may be okay
[03:10] <jdong> minghua: what they want is a dapper->edgy upgrade
[03:10] <jdong> 1.2.x to 1.3.x
[03:11] <jdong> I'm researching the changelog between the two now
[03:11] <minghua> the real culprit is usually the berkeley DB upgrade
[03:11] <jdong> minghua: did the on-disk layout change between 1.2 and 1.3?
[03:11] <jdong> I know it did between 1.3 and 1.4
[03:11] <minghua> exactly what I was thinking
[03:11] <minghua> no, definitely earlier than 1.4
[03:11] <jdong> hmm
[03:11] <minghua> fsfs became default either in 1.2 or 1.3
[03:12] <jdong> oh
[03:12] <thom> but that's not a change in on disk layout of preexisting repos
[03:12] <thom> it's just a change of default
[03:12] <minghua> or you are talking about the work dir layout?
[03:12] <thom> for new repos
[03:12] <minghua> that's 1.4 I believe
[03:13] <minghua> and thom is right, new subversion can reads old berkely DB repo just fine
[03:14] <Fujitsu> minghua: Sure? I'm pretty sure I had to dump and reimport on an upgrade a few months ago...
[03:14] <minghua> Fujitsu: that's more likely a DB upgrade
[03:14] <jdong> I'd personally like for it to be backwards and forwards compatible
[03:14] <jdong> Keeping Dapper as a consistent platform is nice
[03:15] <minghua> I believe the repo side is backward compatible since 1.0
[03:15] <minghua> subversion people are quite serious about compatibility
[03:15] <jdong> it appears so
[03:15] <jdong> I'm more worried about the server side
[03:15] <jdong> on the client side, svn checkouts are quite cheap
[03:16] <jdong> sheesh
 subversion people are quite serious about compatibility
[03:29] <Mez> tell that to cscvs ;)
[03:30] <jdong> finally! it built
[03:31] <minghua> Mez: cscvs? as in "cscvs is a tool which implements an abstraction layer over CVS constraining it to operations which have atomic changeset semantics"?
[03:32] <Mez> minghua, cscvs is the program which imports SVN/CVS stuff into the supermirror
[03:34] <minghua> Mez: and they have problem with svn repo layouts?
[03:35] <Mez> they have probelm with SVN repos ;)
[03:36] <minghua> I honestly know nothing about svn.  I suspect cscvs is not using the public svn API though
[03:37] <minghua> you are not supposed to read other people's raw data file after all
[04:17] <fbond> hmm.  My package midisport-firmware never actually got uploaded, although It was approved for edgy ...
[04:17] <fbond> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3063
[04:17] <fbond> I suppose it will be held off until feisty now?
[04:25] <crimsun> fbond: of course
[04:26] <crimsun> fbond: and no, don't subscribe Scott yet. Pinging him on irc and asking him to look is sufficient. (I'm actually not sure why I was subscribed to that bug...)
[04:29] <rmjb> when feisty is out to build on will there be a notice sent out to the ubuntu-motu list?
[04:30] <LaserJock> it can be built on now
[04:30] <rmjb> really? I can generate a pbuilder for it now?
[04:31] <crimsun> yes
[04:32] <fbond> crimsun, sorry if I subscribed you inappropriately; I'd been considering you somewhat authoritative on the subject
[04:32] <crimsun> np
[04:33] <fbond> I will ping Scott -- he is keybuck, yes?
[04:33] <crimsun> yes, but I wouldn't ping him until next week
[04:33] <fbond> ok
[04:33] <crimsun> UDS isn't a good time to hope for action
[04:33] <fbond> oh, right ... slipped my mind
[04:34] <rmjb> cool, how long does it usually take for the first ... umm... installable version to come out?
[04:34] <rmjb> like how edgy had knot1 and so on
[04:34] <crimsun> rmjb: meaning a tagged milestone? Depends on the schedule.
[04:35] <rmjb> hmm... guess what I'm asking is, I can build for feisty, but if I want to test I should have feisty somewhere... is there a way to install it?
[04:35] <rmjb> using deboot, chroot, apt-get install ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard?
[04:35] <crimsun> rmjb: create an edgy chroot and dist-upgrade it to feisty
[04:36] <rmjb> ah, thanks
[04:36] <Fujitsu> crimsun: Or create a feisty chroot.
[04:36] <rmjb> okay I'll have to do that
[04:36] <crimsun> or that. I normally don't create new devel chroots until at least the first tagged milestone
[04:36] <Fujitsu> It works fine at the moment.
[04:37] <rmjb> where's the common place for chroots? /opt?
[04:38] <crimsun> wherever you'd like
[04:38] <crimsun> I normally don't have root access on my build machines, so I use ~/pbuilder/
[04:41] <crimsun> interesting. I would have chosen -0ubuntu0.6.10 .
[04:42] <LaserJock> ah, the joys of versioning
[04:42] <jdong> crimsun: hmm, what if a 1ubuntu2 already existed?
[04:42] <jdong> then 1ubuntu2.0.6.1.0?
[04:43] <jdong> s/1.0/10/
[04:43] <crimsun> for what package?
[04:43] <jdong> crimsun: just as a general example
[04:43] <crimsun> general examples are hard </barbie>
[04:43] <jdong> crimsun: and the linux-source packages won't like it with that many subversions either
[04:44] <crimsun> that's why you use --append-to-version
[04:45] <Mez> jdong: I got beryl working
[04:45] <Mez> almost
[04:45] <jdong> Mez: yay! have a cookie!
[04:45] <jdong> crimsun: you think the ktorrent changes we talked about earlier can go into feisty?
[04:45] <Mez> jdong: cept for that emerald doesnt work
[04:45] <jdong> feisty's open for uploads, right?
[04:45] <crimsun> anything goes this early in feisty
[04:46] <crimsun> yes
[04:46] <jdong> crimsun: would you be willing to do that?
[04:46] <jdong> or should I find someone else?
[04:46] <crimsun> I'd fine w/ uploading it, but I'd rather it be discussed in #kubuntu-devel first with at least sarah and brandon
[04:47] <jdong> crimsun: gotcha, I'll run it past them next time I see em
[04:47] <crimsun> they're more familiar w/ its possible regressions than I am (since I'm not a consistent KDE user)
[04:47] <jdong> alright
[04:48] <jdong> upstream's ok with those changes being backported to the 2.0 series
[04:48] <Toadstool> good evening everybody!
[04:49] <Fujitsu> Hey Toadstool.
[04:49] <Toadstool> hi Fujitsu
[04:49] <Fujitsu> I've not seen you around these parts for a while.
[04:50] <Toadstool> I've been very busy at work
[04:50] <Toadstool> and visited southern California during weekends ;)
[04:51] <Fujitsu> Heheh.
[04:52] <Toadstool> you're all preparing feisty at UDS-MV? :)
[04:52] <Fujitsu> Oh yes, every one of us is there.
[04:53] <jdong> my sarcasm detector is going off
[04:53] <crimsun> we had to sneak Fujitsu in through a carry-on
[04:53] <Toadstool> heh
[04:54] <jdong> crimsun: hehe, we actually tried that on our robotics team
[04:54] <jdong> we got detained by the TSA for 6 hours
[04:57] <Toadstool> there's no UniverseFreeze date fixed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule, it has not been decided yet?
[04:58] <crimsun> probably not
[04:59] <crimsun> I'm guessing it'll be mid-March for universe UVF and early April for universe FF
[04:59] <LaserJock> perhaps UVF and FF will ably to Universe and Main at the same time
[04:59] <LaserJock> s/ably/aply
[04:59] <Fujitsu> And it'd better NOT be at the same time as beta.
[04:59] <Toadstool> yup
[04:59] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: s/a{b,p}ly/apply/
[04:59] <Fujitsu> *a[bp] ly
[05:00] <Fujitsu> Better.
[05:00] <LaserJock> yeah, yeah
[05:00] <LaserJock> trying to eat here
[05:00] <crimsun> it would be _great_ if universe froze in early March
[05:00] <crimsun> then we could actually do some ... testing?
[05:00] <Toadstool> do what? :)
[05:02] <Fujitsu> I was just thinking `March? Isn't that a bit early?', then I realised we're releasing in April, not June.
[05:02] <LaserJock> mhm
[05:03] <LaserJock> UVF was like Jan 28th or something for Dapper
[05:04] <Fujitsu> Aw, don't you guys want another publicity disaster like Edgy?
[05:04] <LaserJock> I wouldn't call it a "disaster"
[05:05] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: I wouldn't call it a disaster
[05:05] <Fujitsu> Not quite, but it was getting there.
[05:06] <Fujitsu> `Ubuntu 6.10 upgrades a nightmare' on the top of Slashdot for many an hour... Blogs everywhere...
[05:07] <Burgundavia> that is pretty minor
[05:08] <Fujitsu> Not really.
[05:08] <Fujitsu> I've not seen such things about other distros' upgrades exploding recently.
[05:10] <Toadstool> oh, wow... universe/multiverse repositories enabled by default? :)
[05:11] <minghua> ...because people don't expect other distros to be upgraded from old version?
[05:11] <minghua> :-P
[05:12] <minghua> seriously though, I honestly don't hear much about upgradability of fedora or suse
[05:13] <Fujitsu> Red Hat always upgraded perfectly, not sure about Fedora, I presume it's similar.
[05:13] <LaserJock> mhm
[05:14] <LaserJock> hmm, I think Ubuntu is the first distro I've actually tried upgrading from an existing install
[05:15] <minghua> I admit I did read people saying edgy is "the biggest failure of operating system upgrade since Windows ME to 2000" though, and I do know that's a pretty low standard :-(
[06:03] <crimsun> well that's interesting. With Edgy's galeon, loading the yahoo mail beta in a tab results in that tab being refreshed erratically (roughly every 1-2 seconds with that tab's window contents jumping all over the screen). The problem disappears when yahoo mail beta opens in a new window.
[06:04] <Fujitsu> Impressive.
[06:07] <Mez> Mwuahahaha
[06:07] <Mez> bling is good :D
[06:07] <Mez> cept for dodgy fonts ;)
[06:16] <adedov> hi
[06:17] <adedov> where can I get reference what I need to do in order to incorporate my package into distro?
[06:17] <crimsun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New
[06:18] <adedov> thanks
[07:03] <Chandu> hi
[07:03] <Chandu>  I want to know ho Ubuntu has done boot message very simple ..rather than Debian echoing lot of boot messages
[07:06] <Lathiat> Chandu: passing 'quiet' to the kernel is a good start
[07:06] <Lathiat> Chandu: shuts up alot of the kernel messages
[07:10] <Chandu> Lathiat, ok
[07:10] <Chandu> Lathiat, But In Ubuntu it is giving like "Starting NFS server        OK" same as Fedora r redhat .. How u have done that
[07:11] <Lathiat> oh, thats just some custom init stuff
[07:11] <Lathiat> see the lsb includes
[07:18] <Chandu> Lathiat, Where should i see that ..lsb includes .
[07:22] <Chandu> Lathiat, custom init stuff .. How do I cutomize my init stuff ...(I hope its init scripts)
[07:28] <Chandu> Lathiat, r u there
[07:38] <Lathiat> Chandu: check one of the init scripts that use it
[08:05] <TheMuso> Wow that PulseAudio spec is quite ambicious.
[08:05] <Burgundavia> TheMuso: lennart did write avahi
[08:06] <TheMuso> Burgundavia: Oh ok. Didn't know that.
[08:06] <Burgundavia> along with Lathiat
[08:06] <TheMuso> Yeah
[08:47] <phanatic> morning
[10:40] <Jozo-> Hobbsee: ping. Gnunet merge updated (bug 66507)
[10:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66507 in gnunet "[DEBDIFF]  gnunet: merge new debian version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66507
[10:41] <Hobbsee> Jozo-:
[10:41] <Hobbsee> Jozo-: yay
[10:42] <Hobbsee> Jozo-: http://merges.ubuntu.com/g/gnunet/REPORT
[10:43] <Hobbsee> and only hte .1 debdiff is listed there - not the .2
[10:43] <Hobbsee> ohh, there's the new one, right
[10:47] <Hobbsee> Jozo-: i'd prefer to get someone from the gnome end to sanity-check that...
[10:50] <crimsun> that is one heck of a confusing bug report
[10:50] <crimsun> so which of these debdiffs should I be ignoring?
[10:52] <Jozo-> crimsun: Use latest for feisty and ignore rest of them.
[10:53] <crimsun> mm, 90% of it is .po
[10:53] <crimsun> Jozo-: pbuilt in feisty and confirmed working in a feisty install?
[10:53] <crimsun> the debdiff looks sane
[10:54] <Jozo-> crimsun: Builds fine. Not tested to install
[10:54] <crimsun> please test-upgrade, execute, test-remove, and test-install in a feisty chroot
[10:54] <Jozo-> Current version in Edgy doesn't even install cleanly. (due but 66467)
[10:55] <Jozo-> s/but/bug/
[10:55] <crimsun> do you attempt to handle a failed install?
[10:55] <Jozo-> Do whatever you want with those patches. I'm getting out this mess...
[10:55] <crimsun> if not, you should.
[10:58] <Hobbsee> crimsun: there's a hook for that, you knwo :)  B91
[11:22] <TheMuso> crimsun: Thanks.
[11:22] <crimsun> np.
[11:22] <TheMuso> You're up late.
[11:23] <crimsun> I have a presentation in 2.5 hours.
[11:23] <TheMuso> ah
[11:23] <TheMuso> I dunno how you do it.
[11:23] <crimsun> powernaps
[11:24] <TheMuso> right
[11:30] <sistpoty> hi folks
[11:31] <crimsun> 'lo sistpoty
[11:31] <sistpoty> hi crimsun
[11:31] <sistpoty> siretart: I'm at uni right now... in case you go for lunch, please ping me ;)
[11:35] <siretart> sistpoty: sorry, I'm not at uni today. be there on monday again
[11:35] <sistpoty> siretart: ah, k... on monday, I won't be there, but on Tuesday
[11:38] <siretart> sistpoty: okay, tuesday then. kathrin is at uni on tuesday as well, I think
[11:38] <sistpoty> :)
[11:39] <siretart> :)
[11:41] <chantra> arf, feisty fonts are ugly today :)
[11:54] <gnomefreak> chantra: they were ugly yesterday too
[11:55] <chantra> just bootup on feisty today
[11:59] <chantra> upgrade libfontenc1 , xfonts-encodings
[12:00] <gnomefreak> chantra: im sure these are not final.
[12:04] <chantra> gnomefreak: yes sure :D
[12:04] <chantra> but the are f***ing annoying to read though
[12:05] <chantra> gonna pack a package and reboot on edgy :)
[12:07] <gnomefreak> i agree but these things happen when you test things.
[12:08] <chantra> gnomefreak: yep i know
[12:09] <chantra> actually, i'm having a better font quality using text based application such as irssi
[12:09] <chantra> i migh surf the net with linx today ;)
[12:10] <chantra> s/linx/links/g
[12:13] <Fujitsu> chantra: Remove ttf-arphic-uming, that will fix the font problem.
[12:14] <Fujitsu> The new upstream version of that has a nasty mistake which causes it to be preferred over all others.
[12:15] <gnomefreak> is there a known issue with unrar-free in edgy. not installing?
[12:17] <chantra> Fujitsu: you rock :)
[12:17] <chantra> what is the default ubuntu font though?
[12:18] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: no, i installed it yesterday
[12:18] <gnomefreak> hmm thats weird. brb
[12:28] <jsgotangco> wow you're using crack huh
[12:28] <Fujitsu> jsgotangco: It's not crack. It's absolutely fine.
[12:28] <Fujitsu> (for the moment)
[12:28] <jsgotangco> sure its because it wasn't broken on purpose yet
[12:29] <Hobbsee> hah
[12:29] <Hobbsee> yes, just to make sure that people werent "testing" expecting it all to work
[12:29] <gnomefreak> .me thought you needed universe enabled to grab from multiverse :(
[12:30] <StevenK> gnomefreak: Each section is seperate.
[12:30] <jsgotangco> nahhh but your multiverse stuff might need something from universe chances are high
[12:30] <gnomefreak> yeah im seeing that :(
[12:30] <gnomefreak> he was able to grab java but not unrar-free
[01:32] <jonh_wendell> guys, i've downloaded a package with apt-get source. How can i rebuild it, i haven't changed anything, i just want to rebuild it
[01:32] <jonh_wendell> just debuild command?
[01:33] <fernando> jonh_wendell: yes, or dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[01:33] <jonh_wendell> Hi fernando, good to see you here!
[01:36] <jonh_wendell> i just rebuilt the package. I'll install it. How can i back to ubuntu version after i make my tests?
[01:38] <geser> apt-get --reinstall install package
[01:38] <chantra> jonh_wendell: apt-get remove package_name
[01:39] <chantra> and install back
[01:39] <chantra> jonh_wendell: geser's way is better :)
[01:40] <jonh_wendell> :)
[01:43] <guibis> hi all !
[01:44] <guibis> i can't upload my package, i received a mail who announced that it's rejected Rejected:
[01:44] <guibis> Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution.
[01:44] <guibis> Not permitted to upload to the RELEASE pocket in a release in the 'SUPPORTED' state.
[01:44] <guibis> 
[01:45] <StevenK> You're trying to upload to edgy or dapper?
[01:46] <guibis> steven
[01:47] <guibis> StevenK:  i think it's the problem. i i don't where indicate the distribution ...
[01:47] <guibis> i'm trying to upload to dapper.
[01:48] <StevenK> Why?
[01:48] <guibis> i don't know where upload to dapper ...
[01:49] <gnomefreak> guibis: you cant just upload things. you need to have someone else upload it after its accepted.
[01:50] <StevenK> Even so, uploading to dapper is wrong.
[01:50] <gnomefreak> good point
[01:50] <guibis> ok but why uploading to dapper is wrong ?
[01:51] <StevenK> Because Dapper was released in June.
[01:51] <gnomefreak> its stable would be one reason
[01:52] <guibis> oki
[01:52] <gnomefreak> edgy == some what uploadable (still under strict rules) iirc
[01:52] <guibis> oki
[01:53] <gnomefreak> StevenK: is ubuntu getting a welcome center for feisty (like the one being worked on for xubuntu)?
[01:53] <StevenK> I have no idea.
[01:53] <StevenK> Why would I know? :-)
[01:54] <gnomefreak> dont know i tried though ;)
[01:54] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: no it isnt.  it's still released.
[01:55] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: it's gotta go thru SRU, just like any stable release
[01:55] <gnomefreak> ah
[01:55] <guibis> so i will concert with someone of ubuntu-fr ...
[01:55] <guibis> thanks
[02:28] <asabil> hi all
[02:28] <asabil> is it possible to request an .deb here ?
[02:29] <Q-FUNK> ?
[02:30] <asabil> gtkglext python binding :)
[02:30] <asabil> I didn't succeed in building one myself
[02:30] <fernando> asabil: To request the packaging, add it to the MOTU/Packages/Candidates page
[02:31] <asabil> okey thanks
[02:31] <asabil> there is no express delivery service :D ?
[02:32] <fernando> asabil: put it in http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[02:32] <asabil> that's what I am doing fernando
[02:32] <fernando> asabil: i can to package it
[02:32] <asabil> :p
[02:37] <fernando> asabil: A Debian/Ubuntu package for the Python bindings is available at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=6348&package_id=179437
[02:37] <fernando> ?
[02:37] <luisbg> hello all
[02:37] <asabil> not working
[02:37] <asabil> iirc
[02:38] <fernando> hi lucas
[02:38] <fernando> ops
[02:38] <fernando> hi luisbg
[02:38] <luisbg> hi fernando
[02:40] <asabil> fernando, added to the wiki page
[02:40] <asabil> and thanks a lot :)
[02:40] <fernando> asabil: you're welcom
[02:40] <fernando> welcome
[03:11] <fernando> asabil: apt-cache show libgtkglext1
[03:19] <asabil> yes fernando ?
[03:20] <asabil> (sorry I was afk)
[03:23] <fernando> asabil: fernando@fernando:~$ apt-cache show libgtkglext1 | grep -i description
[03:23] <fernando> Description: OpenGL Extension to GTK (shared libraries)
[03:24] <asabil> yes ?
[03:24] <asabil> did I do something wrong in the wiki ?
[03:25] <fernando> asabil: it already in ubuntu
[03:25] <asabil> yep, but not the python binding
[03:25] <asabil> the ruby and c++ bindings are there
[03:25] <asabil> but not the python one
[03:26] <asabil> nop ?
[03:26] <fernando> asabil: then you need the pygtkglext-1.1.0.tar.gz ?
[03:26] <asabil> yep that's what I have put in the wiki
[03:27] <fernando> asabil: ok
[03:27] <asabil> sorry for the confusion
[03:27] <fernando> asabil: no problem
[03:28] <fernando> asabil: is my mistake =)
[03:28] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:29] <fernando> hi bddebian
[03:29] <bddebian> Hello fernando
[04:12] <zakame> hi all
[04:12] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[04:14] <zakame> yo bddebian
[04:14] <zakame> hmm any reason why suspend2 isn't default in ubuntu?
[04:19] <ajmitch> morning all
[04:20] <zakame> yo ajmitch
[04:20] <jsgotangco> hi
[04:33] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch, jsgotangco
[04:34] <jsgotangco> hi bddebian
[06:15] <andreas__> hi, i need to know which version of the rt2500 third party drivers ubuntu 5.10 shipped with. any idea where i could find such an information?(besides downloading the iso, of course)
[06:16] <LaserJock> andreas__: I'd guess packages.ubuntu.com
[06:17] <psusi> or launchpad...
[06:18] <LaserJock> well, LP takes a bit longer unless you know the URLs
[06:47] <andreas__> yep, found it
[08:07] <lifeless> imbrandon: jo, abbout that channel limit :)
[08:18] <psusi> anyone remember what the $ var is for the pid of the last forked pipeline?
[08:31] <geser> psusi: are you looking for $! ?
[08:31] <psusi> yea, I found it in the info page finally ;)
[08:33] <psusi> man I love bash
[08:34] <psusi> I just set up a command line to fork a dd copying bytes from /dev/random to /dev/null and another fork to send it a SIGUSR1 every 5 seconds to print how many bytes it has copied so far, leaving me at the command line to issue additional commands to poke /dev/urandom
[08:34] <psusi> strangely, writing bytes to /dev/urandom doesn't appear to increase the entropy pool....
[08:37] <minghua> why is that strange?
[08:37] <minghua> writing pre-determined characters doesn't introduce entropy after all :-P
[08:44] <psusi> I would think adding bytes to the entropy pool would increase the entrpopy count
[08:44] <psusi> looking at the kernel sources though, it looks like you have to call an ioctl to add bytes and have it count... strange....
[08:51] <imbrandon> lifeless: ?
[09:19] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: have you tried to make the changes to frostwire and have it run? i changes the runFrost.sh to #!/bin/bash and it doesnt work. also there is no changelog/control/or rules files to change anything in the tar. the .deb package has everything but a rules file and if i change them im not sure how to roll the changes back into a .deb
[09:19] <imbrandon> thats not the opnly place it needed changed, there are 2 shell scripts, but yea
[09:19] <imbrandon> i have it working
[09:20] <imbrandon> i will upload it to feisty later and let you see the patch
[09:20] <gnomefreak> ok ty
[09:55] <lifeless> imbrandon: you offered to increase my freenode chan limit
[09:55] <lifeless> later..
[10:11] <Adri2000> I can't find in the debian policy an explanation about the -data/-common binary packages
[10:12] <LaserJock> I don't know that there is a specific policy for them
[10:13] <Adri2000> :-/
[10:13] <LaserJock> use them as you need
[10:15] <Adri2000> for a program with only a directory images/ of 1,8M, do you think it's useful?
[10:17] <LaserJock> perhaps
[10:18] <LaserJock> I guess it depends on how much arch dependent stuff you have
[10:18] <LaserJock> and if another package could use of the data without the other parts
[10:20] <Adri2000> I think images/ is the only arch indep thing
[10:20] <Adri2000> LaserJock: and do you know the difference between -data and -common?
[10:21] <LaserJock> data's just data :-)
[10:21] <LaserJock> -common would be if there was stuff that multiple packages use
[10:21] <LaserJock> like a common core
[10:22] <Adri2000> ok, sounds logic :)
[10:33] <superm1> imbrandon, are you around?
[10:36] <Adri2000> should I put the locales in the -data package?
[10:44] <geser> is it a program or a library?
[10:45] <Adri2000> geser: program
[10:47] <geser> it depends on the ratio between arch-specific parts (executables) and arch-all data (locales)
[10:47] <geser> seperated it makes the arch-specific debs smaller
[10:47] <geser> but every addtional package increases the size of the Packages file
[10:48] <geser> and as an user will expect a translated program you should depend on the -data package to get the translations
[10:50] <Adri2000> ok
[11:47] <geser> hello lophyte
[11:47] <lophyte> hey geser
[11:47] <geser> you can start doing the merges for you packages (if you want)
[11:48] <lophyte> I'll have to read up on how to do that.. never done merges
[11:52] <geser> most of the work ist already done by merge-o-matic
[11:54] <geser> you have to check if the patches are still needed (or included in Debian or simple obsolete) and merged correctly (and fix the merge conflicts)
[12:05] <Lutin> Hello
[12:07] <Sp4rKy> hi
[12:07] <Sp4rKy> please, if i modify a makefile.am because i get soft from CVS and it needs some modif to pass the make distcheck
[12:08] <Sp4rKy> is it accepted for ubuntu ?