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vasilis | hey,just one small question,how can i change the runlevel in upstart? | 12:35 |
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mbiebl | Keybuk: there are problems, compiling upstart on hppa | 12:52 |
mbiebl | Seems, hppa does not support __thread | 12:52 |
mbiebl | http://experimental.ftbfs.de/fetch.php?&pkg=upstart&ver=0.2.7-1&arch=hppa&stamp=1163110346&file=log&as=raw | 12:53 |
mbiebl | Maybe we should abandon the usage of __thread in libnih | 12:58 |
_ion | ...or use them if the compiler and system supports it? | 01:07 |
_ion | +only | 01:07 |
mbiebl | or so | 01:11 |
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Keybuk | mbiebl: hppa supports threads in feisty :p | 01:25 |
mbiebl | Keybuk: Does it need gcc >= 4.2 on hppa? | 01:28 |
Keybuk | not sure whether it's gcc or glibc | 01:30 |
mbiebl | I'll ask the porters, how to deal with that appropriately. Probably it's just a simple #ifdef | 01:34 |
Keybuk | probably | 01:40 |
Keybuk | just define __thread to nothing | 01:41 |
theCore | Keybuk, have you just presented upstart to Google folks? | 01:42 |
Keybuk | theCore: no, why? | 02:22 |
theCore | Keybuk, oh, ok. because I listened to Mark's talk and heard you talking about upstart | 02:23 |
theCore | or maybe it wasn't you ... | 02:23 |
Keybuk | it wasn't me | 02:25 |
Keybuk | not during Mark's talk, anyway | 02:25 |
theCore | it hard to tell who is speaking with VoIP :/ | 02:26 |
theCore | ok, thanks | 02:26 |
Keybuk | I was talking in a little room just now | 02:29 |
theCore | Upstart is really becoming one the big features of Ubuntu | 02:31 |
thom | muh? it has the potential to do so; it doesn't actually do anything bar busting cryptdisks yet ;-) | 02:33 |
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theCore | thom, :) | 02:38 |
Keybuk | The Core was a cool movie | 02:38 |
Keybuk | all the annoying characters die | 02:39 |
mbiebl | One of the worst movies I've ever seen ;-) | 02:40 |
Keybuk | oh, why? | 02:40 |
mbiebl | Absurd story, bad effects, poor playing | 02:42 |
Keybuk | but it's such fun | 02:42 |
mbiebl | Well, if you see it from that angle, sure ;-) | 02:43 |
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Keybuk | how can you not love a film that actually called its magical element necessary for the plot "unobtanium" ? | 02:43 |
Keybuk | heh @ imdb | 02:44 |
Keybuk | # Incorrectly regarded as goofs: Since almost all of the "science" in the movie is entirely erroneous, we are prepared to accept that the movie's universe *must* have entirely different rules - it's the only possible explanation. It's just for fun. | 02:44 |
mbiebl | hehe, had to laught about the physics too | 02:45 |
theCore | Keybuk, are you making fun of my nick ? :P | 02:45 |
Keybuk | theCore: no | 02:46 |
Keybuk | I do actually like that movie | 02:46 |
theCore | I do too | 02:46 |
theCore | Keybuk, I just wondering, was it related to my nick at all? | 02:48 |
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Keybuk | well, theCore; The Core | 02:49 |
theCore | oh | 02:49 |
Keybuk | my brain is low on caffeine | 02:50 |
theCore | once you choose a nickname, you're really stuck with it | 02:51 |
theCore | I would had chosen something more sane, if I had expected that passion for free software | 02:52 |
theCore | anyway... | 02:53 |
theCore | (FYI, the Core is from the game Total Annihilation, which I used to love before coming to the world of Linux) | 02:54 |
Keybuk | ahh | 02:55 |
theCore | ever heard of that game? | 02:56 |
theCore | you're making me remember a whole bunch of good souvenirs | 02:58 |
thom | TA++ | 02:58 |
Keybuk | nope | 02:59 |
Keybuk | my gaming knowledge probably slightly predates yours | 02:59 |
Keybuk | (as my usual hostnames will attest) | 02:59 |
theCore | I know there is an open source implementation out there | 03:00 |
thom | total annihilation is probably entirely responsible for me failing my second year of uni | 03:00 |
theCore | thom, lol | 03:01 |
thom | many games went longer than 24 hours | 03:01 |
theCore | thom, did you ever gotten into unit creation? | 03:02 |
thom | nah | 03:02 |
theCore | me neither | 03:03 |
theCore | I remember that you had to script the units in COBOL | 03:03 |
theCore | ugh! | 03:04 |
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theCore | thom, btw, did you ever heard about TA Spring (http://taspring.clan-sy.com)? | 03:28 |
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!christel:*! This is your captain spealing, we hit a bit of turbulence there. We're now cruising at approximately 13,000 ft. Thank you for flying freenode air and have a good day ;) | 05:37 | |
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AlexExtreme | hmm | 09:25 |
AlexExtreme | how would i handle critical errors in upstart jobs? i.e, if udev fails, the boot process should be stopped | 09:25 |
AlexExtreme | how would i do that? | 09:25 |
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phsdv | all jobs waiting for udev/started will never start, so booting stops automatically? | 09:28 |
AlexExtreme | that's a point | 09:28 |
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phsdv | maybe you want to start sulogin? | 09:29 |
AlexExtreme | that would be good | 09:29 |
AlexExtreme | maybe i could raise a "boot-failed" event and have sulogin start on boot-failed ? | 09:30 |
phsdv | yep, maybe that would help | 09:32 |
AlexExtreme | k | 09:32 |
phsdv | what about udev/failed event when a script exits with an error code. Does that exists already? | 09:36 |
AlexExtreme | i don't know | 09:36 |
AlexExtreme | Keybuk: when is the replacement-initscripts spec planned to be implemented? i mean, will it be done for feisty | 09:43 |
AlexExtreme | Keybuk: the reason I ask is that I think it would be better to wait for ubuntu to switch to upstart jobs, then i have some idea of the best way to do stuff. i want to know how long i'd need to wait, if you see what i mean | 09:50 |
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mbiebl | Keybuk: hi | 10:52 |
Keybuk | AlexExtreme: yes, feisty | 11:04 |
mbiebl | Keybuk: what version of binutils do you ship in feisty? | 11:06 |
mbiebl | The problem with TLS on hppa seems to be a binutils issue which is said to be fixed in 2.16.8 | 11:07 |
mbiebl | Argh, I mean 2.18 | 11:07 |
Keybuk | mbiebl: it was fixed within the week | 11:08 |
mbiebl | You mean binutils? | 11:08 |
Keybuk | *** 2.17.50.0.6-0ubuntu1 0 | 11:09 |
Keybuk | 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages | 11:09 |
Keybuk | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status | 11:09 |
mbiebl | It's likely that TLS support will be a requirement for etch+1. As far as I could find out, hppa and m68k are currently not yet ready in Debian. | 11:10 |
mbiebl | I was wondering, why __thread is needed at all, as upstart itself is not multithreaded. | 11:11 |
Keybuk | mbiebl: libnih is used by more than upstart | 11:11 |
mbiebl | Would you say it is safe to just remove it for upstart? | 11:11 |
Keybuk | can you not just patch it out? | 11:11 |
Keybuk | easy to make an autoconf macro for that | 11:12 |
mbiebl | I'm not such an autoconf guru. | 11:12 |
mbiebl | Would it be easy to write a test for it and check it during configure? | 11:13 |
Keybuk | yes | 11:13 |
mbiebl | Would I need a test compile for that? | 11:13 |
Keybuk | yeah | 11:16 |
Keybuk | look at AC_C_CONST for example | 11:16 |
Keybuk | it #defines const to nothing if it does't exist | 11:16 |
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mbiebl | Were is that macro defined? | 11:19 |
mbiebl | s/Were/Where/ | 11:19 |
theCore | Keybuk, does libnih is used elsewhere than in upstart? | 11:19 |
mbiebl | http://www.nabble.com/libgomp-crash-fix-t2595290.html | 11:23 |
mbiebl | Looks good, doesn't it? | 11:23 |
mbiebl | Keybuk: could you include that check directly upstream? | 11:24 |
Keybuk | mbiebl: yeah | 11:24 |
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mbiebl | Keybuk: I'll prepare patches against upstart and libnih. Shall I open a LP bug report or send it to you privately? | 11:52 |
Keybuk | LP is fine | 12:05 |
Keybuk | link it to the debian one | 12:05 |
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