[12:04] <kgoetz> crimsun: i presume CLI games dont need a .desktop file, even though you cann launch them in a terminal?
[12:05] <crimsun> depends how you launch them
[12:05] <crimsun> x-terminal-emulator -e 'foo' ?
[12:05] <seb128> kgoetz: mass filing about?
[12:06] <crimsun> "...80 patches to supply .desktop files"
[12:06] <kgoetz> seb128: missing .desktop files, and half a dozen packages with broken dependancies
[12:06] <crimsun> those really should go upstream
[12:07] <crimsun> upstream upstream, that is (not Debian)
[12:08] <kgoetz> further upstreawm? :( but but but....
[12:09] <kgoetz> so 'upstream' means the people who ship the tar.orig?
[12:10] <crimsun> aye
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71284 in kdebase (main) "Browsing USB hard drive with Konqueror makes it readonly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71284
[12:11] <kgoetz> in all honesty, that sounds worse then filing the bugs in lp\/debian/bugs
[12:14] <crimsun> the benefit's much more significant
[12:15] <crimsun> that means everyone downstream of the authors gets the .desktop for free
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71285 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes all the time at http://wiki.ubuntu.com" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71285
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71286 in nevow (main) "Nevow should be in universe, not main" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71286
[12:16] <kgoetz> i suppose these bugs will get filed over the next fwe months  as i sign up to countless bts's :|
[12:17] <kgoetz> sory to ask again, i'm nto sure if the answer happened: shoudl i file a bug on something like bsdgames because the games dont appear in ht emenu (no .desktop file), but they are cli games, so should they?
[12:19] <crimsun> kgoetz: imo, no.
[12:19] <crimsun> feel free to beg to differ; that's just my persp.
[12:20] <kgoetz> crimsun: no, your opinions great - i dont need another 10 desktop files ;P
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71287 in mol (universe) "USB mouse in console (fullscreen) mode generates keyboard events" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71287
[12:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71288 in amarok (main) "Amarok collection scanner is crashing during collection refreshing." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71288
[12:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71289 in openoffice.org-amd64 (main) "No panel display for controls and forms" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71289
[12:43] <shwag> ~/.bash_profile says "the default umask is set in /etc/login.defs" , but I changed the the UMASK setting in login.defs, and  $ umask , still says 022
[12:45] <seb128> do you use gdm?
[12:53] <shwag> no
[12:53] <kgoetz> is a binary having an uppsercase name a bug? or doesnt it matter if it has a .desktop?
[12:53] <kgoetz> (sorry to ask all these questions here)
[12:54] <Burgwork> kgoetz: which one?
[12:55] <kgoetz> Burgwork: 'searchandrescue', package in universe
[01:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71291 in yudit (universe) "Please sync yudit (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71291
[01:01] <Burgwork> kgoetz: hmm, no idea off the top of my head
[01:01] <kgoetz> ok, i'll probably file a bug some time then
[01:04] <seb128> kgoetz: you should probably not massive bug for .desktop
[01:05] <seb128> kgoetz: that's the sort of bugs that should go upstream
[01:05] <kgoetz> seb128: ok. i'll try and do that
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71292 in nagios-plugins-extra (universe) "plugin `check_radius' is in two non-conflicting packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71292
[01:06] <seb128> shipping .desktop to packages is usually a bad idea
[01:06] <seb128> they are poorly translated
[01:06] <kgoetz> but needed to launch stuff (?)
[01:07] <seb128> not really
[01:07] <seb128> you have the "run app" dialog
[01:07] <seb128> the debian menu
[01:07] <seb128> the command line
[01:07] <seb128> but right, desktop apps should have a .desktop
[01:08] <seb128> and those .desktop should be shipped by upstream so they can be translated properly
[01:10] <kgoetz> mk. moral: just go upstream already :)
[01:17] <shwag> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/71294
[01:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71294 in bash ".bash_profile erronous msg" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[01:19] <shwag> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/shadow/+bug/71295
[01:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71295 in shadow "/etc/login.defs umask cleanup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[01:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71293 in xserver-xgl (universe) "set session to xgl, started session, crash back to gdm." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71293
[01:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71294 in bash (main) ".bash_profile erronous msg" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71294
[01:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71295 in shadow (main) "/etc/login.defs umask cleanup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71295
[01:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71296 in evolution-exchange (main) "Evolution: Slow to Start - Slow to Sync - Sync to Quit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71296
[01:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71297 in Ubuntu "Bluetooth in ubuntu Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71297
[01:39] <kgoetz> hi bddebian
[01:39] <bddebian> Hello kgoetz
[01:40] <kgoetz> :)
[01:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71298 in gparted (main) "Gparted in edgy version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71298
[01:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71299 in boson-base (universe) "boson has incorrect dependancies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71299
[01:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71300 in bluez-utils (main) "Problem connect bluetooth in ubuntu edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71300
[01:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71301 in bluez-utils (main) "Problem connect bluetooth in ubuntu edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71301
[01:51] <theCore> whoa, who is that fast...
[01:52] <theCore> already marked dup...
[01:54] <kgoetz> darn, you beat me to it :/
[01:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71302 in searchandrescue (universe) "search and rescue binary has starting capital letter" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71302
[02:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71304 in gnome-system-tools (main) "changing x keyboard layout does not change console keyboard layout" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71304
[02:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71305 in Ubuntu "fails to launch php5-cli" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71305
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71306 in firefox (main) "Firefox 2.0 positions menus bad (at least with Xinerama)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71306
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71308 in sarien (universe) "Crash on start." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71308
[03:45] <cge> What do I do with a bug like #6500? According to the wiki, I should close it, because it is a request for changes in defaults. But people here have told me I should leave it as a wishlist. What does confirming mean in this context?
[03:46] <dsas> bug 6500
[03:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6500 in vim "Syntax Highlighting Should be On by Default in vim-perl" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6500
[03:48] <cge> I'm on a mission to get the bug situation for vim looking as good as possible, but there are three bugs that are requests for changes in .vimrc like that one.
[03:51] <CarlFK> FF -  Plugin Finder Servie dislog, "Macromedia Flash Player"
[03:51] <CarlFK> is that a "firefox extensions not distributed w/ Ubuntu." ?
[03:51] <cge> what do you mean?
[03:52] <CarlFK> it is the 'cause' of bug 1280
[03:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1280 in baz "feature request: baz missing --in VERSION" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1280
[03:52] <CarlFK> hm, not.
[03:52] <CarlFK> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/71280
[03:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71280 in firefox "crash url" [Low,Rejected] 
[03:52] <dsas> cge: I'm not sure what to do, it may be worth talking to whoever touched the package last for ubuntu.
[03:52] <CarlFK> "We can't support any firefox extensions not distributed w/ Ubuntu. I'm closing the bug here, and would suggest reporting it to the extension creator"
[03:53] <cge> CarlFK: It means that it is really difficult to debug firefox when there are extensions causing problems, and we don't support them.
[03:54] <CarlFK> is "Macromedia Flash Player" such an extension ?
[03:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71271 in grub (main) "Ubuntu patched Grub doesn't work with 2.4 kernel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71271
[03:56] <cge> CarlFK: Flash will reliably crash Firefox in edgy, yes. But your questions would be better suited to #ubuntu.
[03:57] <crimsun> (I think CarlFK is asking for triaging.)
[03:57] <CarlFK> crimsun: yup
[03:57] <cge> CarlFK: oh
[03:57] <crimsun> and as the person who has triaged most flashplugin-nonfree bugs, please reject them
[03:57] <cge> crimsun: I think everyone's closed at least one.
[03:58] <crimsun> yeah, it's not terribly rare :-)
[03:58] <cge> crimsun: We need an alert to pop up when the user tries to file a bug about firefox.
[03:59] <CarlFK> is flashplugin-nonfree what gets installed when you do the  "plugin finder, Macromedia Flash Player"  ?
[03:59] <cge> CarlFK: No, the plugin finder doesn't work, as far as I know.
[03:59] <crimsun> CarlFK: no, people have to choose to install f-n
[04:00] <cge> CarlFK: And then they're punished for their sins by having Firefox crash whenever they try to use flash :)
[04:00] <CarlFK> ok, so if the P-Finder is the only thing that was done, and FF now just closes.. whos problem ?
[04:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71309 in gnome-applets (main) "Can't Recover Files Sent to Trash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71309
[04:01] <cge> CarlFK: You installed Flash. That is why it closes. See bug 14911.
[04:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 14911 in firefox "Flash plugin problem with ARGB visuals causes crash" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/14911
[04:04] <CarlFK> cge - yup - trying the workarounds now
[04:05] <CarlFK> yup - this 'fixes' - XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 firefox
[04:06] <cge> Is there some reason that can't be put in /usr/bin/firefox? Does skipping argb visuals have side effects?
[04:07] <CarlFK> "... wrapper script ... That way at least people who aren't using buggy proprietary software don't have to lose the ARGB functionality semi-at-random."
[04:07] <CarlFK> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/14911/comments/29
[04:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 14911 in firefox "Flash plugin problem with ARGB visuals causes crash" [Unknown,Confirmed] 
[04:07] <cge> CarlFK: I don't know what the argb functionality is, though.
[04:08] <CarlFK> me neither, but apparently Ian does and thinks it is important :)
[04:08] <cge> Oh, this has been known since 2004 (http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2004-August/002300.html)
[04:09] <cge> CarlFK: I think that the main point is to punish Flash users.
[04:09] <CarlFK> heh
[04:09] <CarlFK> how do I mark 71280 a dupe of 14911 ?
[04:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70376 in Ubuntu "Optical mouse turns off when ubuntu starts" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70376
[04:10] <cge> #71820
[04:10] <cge> bug 71820
[04:10] <cge> bug 71280
[04:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71280 in firefox "crash url" [Low,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71280
[04:10] <cge> You don't need to, it has already been rejected.
[04:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71310 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crash on GRUB, sda. Similar to bugs #71143, 71099, 71046, 71036?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71310
[04:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71312 in synaptic (main) "Can't "lock/hold" packages anymore" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71312
[04:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71311 in openoffice.org (main) "Open Office.org crashes when selecting a jpg image" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71311
[04:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71313 in gnumeric (main) "gnumeric, abiword fail to open remote file opened through sftp" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71313
[04:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71314 in synaptic (main) "GUI useability might benefit from a horizontal design rather than vertical" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71314
[05:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71315 in firefox (main) "Crash with totem when opening an MPG link" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71315
[05:49] <towsonu2003> hi
[05:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71316 in totem (main) "thumbnailer crashes on Real Media file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71316
[05:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71317 in menu-xdg (main) "xubuntu: all debian menu entries in 'Other'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71317
[06:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68987 in xen-3.0 (universe) "kernel panic on boot (amd64)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68987
[06:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71318 in linux-source-2.6.19 (main) "Kernel becomes idle during boot process" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71318
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71319 in gmpc (universe) "Wrong System Tray Icon Background color" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71319
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71320 in firefox (main) "FF crashed and It generated an "crash" report, info inside.." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71320
[06:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71321 in firefox (main) "Firefox tries to download .php files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71321
[07:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71322 in aspell (main) "reproducible seg fault in 'apell' when using 'eo_XX.UTF-8' locale" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71322
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71323 in qcad (universe) "Hatching with preview crashes QCAD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71323
[08:33] <BHSPitMonkey> weird
[08:34] <BHSPitMonkey> when you turn the volume all the way down, it's supposed to be mute, right?
[08:34] <BHSPitMonkey> yeah... it is
[08:34] <BHSPitMonkey> my volume icon even says "Muted"
[08:34] <BHSPitMonkey> but sound's still a-playin'
[08:34] <ivoks> laptop?
[08:34] <BHSPitMonkey> desktop
[08:35] <BHSPitMonkey> it's quieter than the louder settings
[08:35] <BHSPitMonkey> but this is the minimum... and it thinks it's muted
[09:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71324 in openoffice.org (main) "Right to Left Combo box not organized" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71324
[09:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71325 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "lirc-modules-source build instructions not very clear" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71325
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71326 in gaim (main) "yahoo contacts "not in the server list" while they are" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71326
[09:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71328 in soundconverter (universe) "Please sync soundconverter (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71328
[09:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71329 in totem (main) "totem crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71329
[10:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71330 in mesa-utils (main) "Just installed latest NVIDIA driver NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9629-pkg1.run" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71330
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71332 in nvidia-settings (restricted) "Just installed latest NVIDIA driver NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9629-pkg1.run" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71332
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71333 in ubiquity (main) "Bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71333
[10:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71334 in gaim (main) "Gaim crashed after login back" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71334
[10:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71335 in vino (main) "vino server fails to launch on 6.10 command line => 6.10 Xubuntu installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71335
[10:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71336 in gnome-system-tools (main) "service-admin doesn't launch" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71336
[10:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71337 in hal (main) "gnome-power-manager issues with HAL reports on Asus M6Ne" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71337
[11:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71338 in iceauth (main) "iceauth crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71338
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71339 in human-theme (main) "Human theme puts an arrow on all columns in ListViews" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71339
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71341 in cobex (universe) "cobex_get manpage is low quality" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71341
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71342 in openoffice.org (main) "Evolution crashes when deleting an email" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71342
[11:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71343 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu 6.10, cannot switch user" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71343
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71346 in Ubuntu "Speed Step (cool'n'quiet) doesn't work in Edgy anymore" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71346
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71347 in evolution (main) "It`s everyime when I starting Gnome" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71347
[12:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71344 in nautilus (main) "[Edgy]  The Gnome in Nautilus has very small feet" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71344
[12:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71345 in control-center (main) "Theme-manager crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71345
[01:20] <Simira> is Xorg supposed to spend about 200m of virtual memory?
[02:43] <fdoving> Simira: yes. 221M virt here..
[03:01] <rpedro> hello
[03:02] <rpedro> can someone help me get some debug info from HAL? I'm not even sure how to restart it without a reboot :/
[03:02] <rpedro> Bug #68574
[03:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68574 in hal "Issue with (mostly) fat32 devices, and HAL fails to even initialize after new login" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68574
[03:02] <rpedro> that bug ^^
[05:18] <bddebian> Boo