[06:07] <snook353> is there such thing as a linux lobby in D.C.?  i'm worried about "Trusted Computing" :(
[06:08] <BHSPitLappy> start one
[06:08] <snook353> i hate conspiracy stuff.  i'm hoping this is a conspiracy theory, rather than reality - a conspiracy reality
[06:11] <BHSPitLappy> #politics
[06:16] <poningru> uh... its a reality
[06:16] <poningru> snook353: if you have a new computer... open it up
[06:16] <poningru> or not
[06:24] <BHSPitLappy> open it up?
[06:25] <BHSPitLappy> for what?
[05:26] <jenda> nixternal, poningru, have a look at the pending email in the ubuntu-marketing queue, and help me decide if it's spam or legitimate spam (from a certain Mark Allen)
[05:27] <poningru> hmm
[05:28] <poningru> jenda: you know I still dont know how to mark stuff spam/legitimate
[05:29] <jenda> poningru: you can get into the mod menu?
[05:29] <poningru> mailman?
[05:29] <jenda> yes
[05:29] <jenda> once in, there are options, Accept, Defer, Delete, Reject.
[05:29] <jenda> and that's how you mark them...
[05:30] <poningru> I dont know the password though
[05:30] <jenda> aha
[05:32] <poningru> blarrgh?
[05:34] <jenda> yarr.
[08:02] <lophyte> nixternal: ping
[08:04] <nixternal> yo yo
[08:04] <lophyte> hey, its been a while
[08:04] <lophyte> hows it going?
[08:05] <nixternal> circles? is that a good answer maybe ;)
[08:05] <lophyte> haha
[08:05] <nixternal> i feel like i am chasing my tail
[08:05] <lophyte> why?
[08:05] <jenda> MenZa has a lappy!
[08:05] <nixternal> don't know, just doesn't seem like i have accomplished much recently
[08:06] <lophyte> ah
[08:06] <lophyte> how's things going with ubuntu chicago?
[08:07] <nixternal> we are going to be meeting this week to discuss the future of Ubuntu Chicago
[08:07] <lophyte> is that a good thing or a bad thing?
[08:07] <lophyte> lol
[08:07] <nixternal> we might keep Ubuntu Chicago, and start Ubuntu Illinois to get an entire state together..it seems we have a lot of southern Illinois people interested
[08:08] <nixternal> it should be a good thing
[08:08] <jenda> neat :)
[08:08] <lophyte> awesome
[08:08] <nixternal> this week at UDS it seems that they want team leaders for the locos and I don't like that
[08:08] <jenda> I don't really like that either.
[08:08] <jenda> Because the Czech LoCo is about to lose the leader.
[08:09] <nixternal> i asked the guys in ubuntu chicago if any of them wanted to be leaders, and the same thing was said by everyone, which we started from day one "we are all leaders, none of us are followers"
[08:09] <jenda> And we'll have to decide who it will be.
[08:09] <jenda> eek
[08:10] <lophyte> I consider myself a co-ordinator, not a leader
[08:10] <nixternal> i consider myself the team contact and thats it
[08:10] <jenda> i consider... umm...
[08:10] <nixternal> that is the only title in ubuntu chicago...leaderless teams are the norm in the community
[08:10] <lophyte> well tbh if I wasn't scheduling meetings and pushing for having an agenda and goals I don't think anything would get done
[08:10] <nixternal> once you get a leader, the inferiority complexes start kicking in
[08:11] <jenda> we didn't have that under our old leader.
[08:11] <nixternal> that is the same for ubuntu chicago as well, and i don't like that a majority of the team thinks that i am the team leader..i start something, and then i will ask for someone to take it over
[08:11] <nixternal> i ahve done a lot of work on my own, but i give credit to ubuntu chicago, and soem of the guys do the same as well
[08:12] <jenda> that's the way it's supposed to work :)
[08:12] <lophyte> if you don't have someone to keep things organizing and moving.. things don't happen in my experience
[08:13] <lophyte> that's not a leader per se... which is why I say co-ordinator
[08:13] <nixternal> well, ubuntu chicago is finally getting to the point where people, other than me are calling meetings now, and coordinating stuff, which is very nice for a change
[08:14] <lophyte> ah
[08:14] <nixternal> our problem is we need more people...right now there are maybe 40 of us pushing ubuntu to more than 9 million people..that isn't going to work
[08:15] <jenda> ooh
[08:15] <lophyte> hah.. we've got about 5 regulars ;)
[08:15] <jenda> we're worse off, by far, nix.
[08:15] <lophyte> us too
[08:15] <lophyte> but we're just starting out.. so
[08:15] <jenda> and we're established :/
[08:15] <BHSPitLappy> erm
[08:15] <jenda> the team's been here for ovah a year.
[08:16] <nixternal> chicago has only been around since june
[08:16] <jenda> it's not more than 10 people who actually do nything, and it's mainly translations.
[08:16] <nixternal> it is hard keeping people though
[08:16] <jenda> 4 dedicated folks.
[08:16] <nixternal> we get the excited first time linux users that last for all but a week, thats what i hate
[08:16] <jenda> eek
[08:17] <jenda> You get an amazing quality of coordination in Chicago, from what I see here. There's no way we could usher 40 people into doing something here.
[08:18] <lophyte> oi, I want more open source hot chocolate.. but I'm all out of milk
[08:18] <jenda> 
[08:18] <nixternal> the nice thing is our 40 people all are active within the local lugs as well, so that helps out big time
[08:19] <jenda> open a new source, then, lophyte
[08:19] <BHSPitLappy> hey, I was a first time excited linux user
[08:19] <BHSPitLappy> but that's lasted for what, 7 years so far
[08:19] <nixternal> haha
[08:19] <BHSPitLappy> hardly a week
[08:19] <nixternal> i was too back in like 94 i believe
[08:19] <nixternal> when did amd start pushing the k6's?
[08:19] <jenda> We're getting involved with CZLUG now. I'm looking forward to what that brings.
[08:19] <jenda> They used to pay us a shipit-like service before.
[08:21] <nixternal> i know the first time i compiled a linux kernel it was on a p75
[08:21] <jenda> eek
[08:21] <jenda> I'm a youngling then.
[08:21] <nixternal> loaded with 64mb of ram, maxed out, and had 2 3gb hard drives i think
[08:22] <jenda> I first started a Mandrake 9.2 two and a half years ago.
[08:22] <jenda> Then i spent a year in Canada... on XP :(
[08:22] <jenda> and since then, it's Ubuntu only.
[08:23] <nixternal> hehe
[08:23] <jenda> Only some 15 months!
[08:23] <BHSPitLappy> I started with Suse 9, I believe? or does that not sound right
[08:23] <nixternal> i have been using slackware again, more and more at that
[08:23] <BHSPitLappy> 6 or 7 years ago
[08:23] <nixternal> 6 or 7 years ago would have been suse 6 i believe
[08:24] <BHSPitLappy> maybe it was 7, then
[08:24] <nixternal> 1999, was about the v6 era i believe..i was using suse big time then..that is about the time that yast2 came about
[08:24] <BHSPitLappy> because I remember an odd number
[08:24] <BHSPitLappy> :D
[08:24] <jenda> ooh... posters rolling out bigtime now. Only 260 left. ubuntuforums.org will have me all out by next week :-D
[08:24] <BHSPitLappy> aaanyway.
[08:24] <nixternal> woohoo
[08:24] <BHSPitLappy> jenda, the OBEY posters?
[08:24] <jenda> nooo
[08:24] <BHSPitLappy> enlighten me
[08:25] <jenda> have a look: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[08:25] <jenda> clicky-the-linky-at-the-top
[08:25] <jenda> -y
[08:26] <jenda> Don't regard the price, though.
[08:26] <jenda> That's special forums-price :)
[08:26] <jenda> normally, it's $1 apiece.
[08:26] <BHSPitLappy> yowsa! 25!
[08:26] <jenda> I donate the extra $1 per poster to the forums for putting that ad up for me. They didn't ask for it, but neither did I :-D
[08:27] <jenda> BHSPitLappy: for 10 posters.
[08:27] <BHSPitLappy> ah.
[08:27] <BHSPitLappy> still, that's expensive beer ^^
[08:27] <jenda> $10 - posters; $10 - to the forums; $5 shipping
[08:27] <BHSPitLappy> also, you should make the source available on that page! ;)
[08:27] <jenda> well, read above. Normally, it's half that.
[08:28] <jenda> oh, the source is available... I'll link it in the thread that Ryan promised to link from that page
[08:28] <jenda> This thread:http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=296758
[08:28] <BHSPitLappy> I wonder if the clever [at]  and [dot]  conventions are even effective anymore
[08:28] <jenda> BHSPitLappy: it also contains info on what's done with the money.
[08:29] <BHSPitLappy> I would think that those spam spiders would have adapted to read them by now
[08:30] <BHSPitLappy> hmm, you're czech?
[08:30] <jenda> yes
[08:30] <jenda> I would think so too, BTW
[08:30] <jenda> I don't mind the spam.
[08:30] <jenda> It doesn't get through.
[08:31] <jenda> I'm Czech, and that's why I can make these things so cheaply :)
[08:31] <jenda> (and the shipping is the cheapest here, too)
[08:31] <BHSPitLappy> cool
[08:31] <BHSPitLappy> well, jak se mas! ^^
[08:32] <jenda> haha
[08:32] <jenda> Mam se fajn. Co ty?
[08:32] <BHSPitLappy> hehe
[08:32] <BHSPitLappy> like I understand that...
[08:32] <jenda> :)
[08:32] <jenda> I'm ok, and you?
[08:32] <jenda> Where did you learn that?
[08:32] <BHSPitLappy> doing well myself.
[08:32] <jenda> (err, when/why)
[08:32] <jenda> WTF, in other words :)
[08:32] <BHSPitLappy> I go to Westfest every year, it's a big Czech cultural festival in Texas
[08:33] <jenda> ooh :)
[08:33] <jenda> neat
[08:33] <BHSPitLappy> my uncle's lineage is czech, and he and my cousin are in one of the favorite bands that play there
[08:33] <jenda> woot :)
[08:33] <BHSPitLappy> so I'm familiar with polkas and kolaches
[08:33] <jenda> So, which is your favourite beer? :)
[08:33] <jenda> :-D
[08:33] <BHSPitLappy> heh
[08:33] <BHSPitLappy> I never drink
[08:33] <BHSPitLappy> which makes me a definite oddball at Westfest
[08:34] <jenda> indeed :)
[08:34] <jenda> I don't drink much either... although some of my friends keep convincing me of the opposite... wonder why.
[08:34] <BHSPitLappy> heh, someone in -offtopic just brought up another culture's food
[08:34] <BHSPitLappy> he seems screwed, though
[08:34] <jenda> (most notably those that don't drink at all, btw)
[08:35] <jenda> hehe
[08:35] <jenda> I don't know any Dutch food.
[08:36] <BHSPitLappy> definitely an odd situation he's in
[08:36] <BHSPitLappy> but yeah
[08:36] <BHSPitLappy> my uncle/cousin I mentioned before went to the czech republic a couple years ago
[08:36] <BHSPitLappy> had a nice time
[08:37] <jenda> nixternal: I don't see a request for team leaders in the Loco team draft...
[08:38] <jenda> cool :)
[08:38] <nixternal> it was talked about during UDS this week, there is thing in it about Chicago not having a team leader
[08:38] <jenda> if you evah plan a trip, be sure to drop by :)
[08:38] <jenda> .ok
[08:38] <BHSPitLappy> what's prague famous for? I've heard it a few times.
[08:39] <BHSPitLappy> mentioned on family guy once, too o.o
[08:41] <jenda> oooh
[08:41] <jenda> It has the biggest castle in the world...
[08:41] <jenda> it drinks a huge amount of beer...
[08:45] <BHSPitLappy> lol
[08:49] <BHSPitLappy> I'm still considering trying to start that Youth LUG I was talking about before
[08:50] <jenda> sshhh
[08:50] <jenda> I'm waiting for an unsuspecting animal to go by.
[08:51] <BHSPitLappy> ok
[08:51] <jenda> <ten minutes pass>
[08:51] <BHSPitLappy> are you, by chance, hunting wabbits/
[08:51] <jenda> No, I'll have to find a different way of getting food...
[08:51] <jenda> well, anything, really.
[08:51] <jenda> I'd not mind a wabbit ;)
[08:53] <jenda> OK.
[08:53] <jenda> I guess I'll have to resort to going to the kitchen.
[08:57] <MenZaLap> Never heard of pizza?
[08:58] <BHSPitLappy> In Soviet Prague, pizza orders you!
[09:01] <MenZaLap> :D
[09:07] <jenda> haha :)
[09:08] <jenda> I've never actually ordered pizza
[09:08] <MenZaLap> :O
[09:08] <MenZaLap> shame on you
[09:15] <jenda> hehe
[09:15] <jenda> anyone speak italian?
[09:15] <jenda> Great hacker puzzle: http://geraldine.fjfi.cvut.cz/~strachota/Hackers_puzzle/1.htm
[09:48] <KenSentMe> jenda: ping
[09:49] <jenda> KABOOM!
[09:49] <KenSentMe> aaah
[09:50] <KenSentMe> Did you ship the posters yet?
[10:00] <jenda> KenSentMe: yes
[10:00] <jenda> I have yours in my bag right now :)
[10:00] <jenda> they'll be out on monday.
[10:00] <KenSentMe> jenda: a cool
[10:00] <KenSentMe> just wondering
[10:00] <jenda> And the stickers are in a seperate envelope.
[10:01] <KenSentMe> nice
[10:38] <nixternal> haha jenda, i have a dancing old lady on my screen with the hahcker puzzle
[10:38] <jenda> hehe :)
[10:38] <jenda> nixternal: congrats :)
[10:38] <nixternal> i did that way back in the 90's
[10:39] <nixternal> pretty much the same still
[10:42] <jenda> :)
[10:42] <jenda> does anyone know regexp here?
[10:43] <Flannel> what's up?
[10:43] <jenda> how would I make 3 capital letters, a lowercase and three more caps?
[10:43] <jenda> [A-Z] ..[a-z] [A-Z] .. was my first attempt... didn't really work :/
[10:44] <Flannel> [A-Z] {3}[a-z] [A-Z] {3} would do it
[10:45] <Flannel> the {3} is just a shortcut, could also go [A-Z] [A-Z] [A-Z] 
[10:45] <Flannel> but, the former is how I would do it
[10:47] <jenda> ok, thx...
[10:47] <jenda> and how do I make grep use it?
[10:47] <jenda> I tried grep "[A-Z] [A-Z] [A-Z] [a-z] [A-Z] [A-Z] [A-Z] "
[10:48] <jenda> but it didn't work.
[10:48] <Flannel> no quotes
[10:48] <jenda> ok
[10:48] <jenda> thx
[10:48] <jenda> this time, it didn't find anything...
[10:48] <jenda> :)
[10:48] <Flannel> if you want to explicitly state it's the pattern, -e [pattern]  or -pattern=[pattern] 
[10:48] <Flannel> er, -regexp=
[10:49] <jenda> hmm
[10:49] <jenda> have a look : pythonchallenge.com
[10:49] <jenda> :)
[10:49] <jenda> you'll get there in a few secs, it's no. 3
[10:51] <Flannel> eh, what's the rot2 output of number2? heh.
[10:52] <jenda> just rot-2 the url :)
[10:52] <Flannel> I did... ocs.html doesnt exist
[10:52] <Flannel> did I do it wrong?
[10:52] <Flannel> ocr, nevermind
[10:52] <Flannel> I can count, honest
[10:53] <jenda> haha :)
[10:53] <jenda> Flannel: I did the _exact_ same mistake :)
[10:53] <Flannel> so... hmm.  oh, hexeditor to the rescue!
[10:54] <jenda> Even before I rotted the text, I tried the url, and it didn't work because of that... so I rotted the text...
[10:54] <jenda> Manually!
[10:54] <jenda> only to find out that i made a typo :)
[10:54] <Flannel> eh, I wouldve just threw together a char++; char++ thing ;)
[10:55] <jenda> I would've done that too...
[10:55] <jenda> ...if I had an effin' clue how :)
[10:56] <Flannel> so... aeilqtuy are the rare characters
[10:57] <Flannel> although, I imagine the order is the answer
[10:59] <Flannel> mhmm. ok, so, level four ;)
[11:00] <Flannel> er, level three?  I could... oh, it started at level 0, didnt it
[11:01] <jenda> i think so
[11:01] <jenda> i did'nt count right, maybe :)
[11:01] <jenda> hello mgalvin :)
[11:02] <mgalvin> hi jenda :)
[11:02] <jenda> Flannel: the puzzle has it's own freenode IRC channel :)
[11:02] <jenda> #pythonchallenge
[11:03] <jenda> anyway... if I understand correctly, we're looking for three capital letters, one lowercase and three capitals. grepping didn't work for me for some reason...
[11:14] <Flannel> jenda: must be because of linebreaks, or something
[11:15] <jenda> that's what I'm thinking...
[11:16] <jenda> but removing linebreaks kills grep altogether, no?
[11:17] <Flannel> jenda: well, it'll return the line that it occurs in ;)
[11:17] <jenda> yep :)
[11:17] <jenda> vewy, vewy useful...
[11:18] <jenda> I tried egrep too, but it returns way too much.
[11:18] <jenda> aha
[11:18] <jenda> aha :)
[11:18] <Flannel> Ah.  Right, they do.  It's because it's three only, as in, not four
[11:18] <jenda> yep :)
[11:18] <jenda> mind reading :)
[11:19] <jenda> still getting 10 lines
[11:19] <jenda> OEKiVEY
[11:19] <jenda> ZADnMCZ
[11:19] <jenda> :\
[11:20] <jenda> ZUTkLYN
[11:20] <jenda> Looks like more than one in there... maybe one will be obviously special.
[11:22] <Flannel> there's nine
[11:23] <jenda> CNDeHSB; OIXdKBF; XJVlGZV; ZAGiLQZ; CJAsACF; KWGtIDC
[11:23] <jenda> yes
[11:23] <jenda> 9
[11:23] <jenda> aha
[11:24] <jenda> inkedlist
[11:24] <jenda> :)
[11:24] <jenda> sheesh...
[11:24] <Flannel> what?
[11:24] <jenda> they're only looking for the little letters
[11:24] <jenda> all nine :)
[11:24] <Flannel> mhmm
[11:24] <jenda> can you link me, I closed the window.
[11:24] <jenda> :)
[11:25] <Flannel> except... linkedlst.html doesn't work
[11:25] <jenda> inkedlist, no?
[11:25] <Flannel> no, there's an l first
[11:26] <Flannel> http://pythonchallenge.com/pc/def/inkedlist.html
[11:27] <jenda> hmm
[11:27] <Flannel> IQNlQSL, OEKiVEY, ZADnMCZ, ZUTkLYN, CNDeHSB, OIXdKBF, XJVlGZV, CJAsACF, KWGtIDC
[11:27] <jenda> you're right, my bad
[11:28] <jenda> Flannel: http://pythonchallenge.com/pc/def/linkedlist.html
[11:28] <jenda> duh :)
[11:28] <jenda> 10
[11:29] <jenda> I missed the first, you missed the i :)
[11:31] <Flannel> jenda: except, I couldve swore I tried that first
[11:31] <jenda> hehe
[11:35] <jenda> ANd the next one will probably take a long time to do by hand :)
[11:35] <Flannel> heh.  I'm probably going to hell by doing all this in perl ;)
[11:36] <jenda> hehe :)
[11:39] <jenda> Am I going to hell by attempting it manually?
[11:39] <jenda> 100000 combinations, it can't be that bad ;)
[11:42] <Flannel> psh, by the time you do that, it'll be easier to learn to code
[11:43] <jenda> hehe :)
[11:43] <jenda> true
[11:43] <Flannel> my perl script is only 20 lines, and that's with brackets on their own lines
[11:43] <jenda> Iwas joking.
[11:43] <jenda> This is the time where I leave off :)
[11:47] <Flannel> the... only problem is I don't see an end
[11:49] <jenda> it just keeps going?
[11:49] <Flannel> yeah, like it says, but also, it deosn't change
[11:49] <Flannel> there's no extra line in the output or anything
[11:51] <jenda> hmm
[11:51] <Flannel> 1383 is 292, if you want to try it
[11:52] <jenda> well, it can really go for thousands and still kinda make sense. dunno.
[11:53] <Flannel> the html says to only try ~300
[11:54] <jenda> hmm
[11:54] <jenda> ok
[11:54] <jenda> it's beyond me, really :)