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| jenda | nixternal: pnig | 10:38 |
| jenda | !lart fingers | 10:39 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about lart fingers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 10:39 |
| BHSPitLappy | @lart fingers | 10:43 |
| jenda | no ubugtu :) | 10:45 |
| jenda | didn't know we had ubotu here :) cool. | 10:45 |
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| jenda | hello tsmithe | 10:46 |
| tsmithe | yo jenda hows it in prague? | 10:48 |
| jenda | busy :) | 10:48 |
| jenda | but alive. | 10:48 |
| tsmithe | wow... busy. where i live (on a farm a mile from the nearest road) its the opposite | 10:49 |
| BHSPitLappy | could anyone suggest why connecting to freenode takes so long for me | 10:49 |
| BHSPitLappy | maybe identd business? | 10:49 |
| tsmithe | nope | 10:49 |
| tsmithe | it takes a while for me too | 10:49 |
| BHSPitLappy | because at some houses it comes up in a flash | 10:49 |
| BHSPitLappy | (other routers) | 10:49 |
| BHSPitLappy | but I have to sit and wait | 10:50 |
| Burgundavia | anybody here have amd64 or ppc machines? | 10:50 |
| tsmithe | nope | 10:50 |
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| tsmithe | wow this place has suddenly got busy as well! | 10:50 |
| jenda | Burgundavia: nope, sorry. | 10:52 |
| Burgundavia | bugger | 10:52 |
| tsmithe | why? | 10:52 |
| tsmithe | i mean why do you want weird arch users? | 10:52 |
| jenda | it just wakes up at times :) | 10:52 |
| jenda | hehe | 10:52 |
| tsmithe | jenda: :) | 10:53 |
| Burgundavia | testing a new script to offer the correct arch for downloading Ubuntuy | 10:53 |
| Burgundavia | anybody got a Windows machine available? | 10:53 |
| tsmithe | does it offer the correct arch to you? | 10:53 |
| jenda | Burgundavia: if you insist, I could boot up my wink | 10:53 |
| jenda | win2k | 10:53 |
| jenda | :/ | 10:53 |
| Burgundavia | that would be stellar if you could | 10:53 |
| Burgundavia | send me the user agent string | 10:54 |
| jenda | argh... :) | 10:54 |
| jenda | ok, I'll have to log off to do dat | 10:54 |
| jenda | so, once I boot up, what do I do? | 10:54 |
| jenda | You could pastebin me the instructions :) | 10:54 |
| tsmithe | Burgundavia: i have a win xp qemu machine on | 10:54 |
| Burgundavia | ubuntu.ca/test.html | 10:55 |
| Burgundavia | what does that give you?' | 10:55 |
| jenda | Burgundavia: is tsmithe's good enough? | 10:55 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 10:55 |
| jenda | *phew* | 10:55 |
| jenda | :) | 10:55 |
| jenda | rescued :) | 10:55 |
| tsmithe | Burgundavia: it says "Download now for x86; Download for Other Platforms" | 10:55 |
| tsmithe | what sould it say? | 10:55 |
| jenda | I really hate booting into the thing. I dunno why I still have it on there. | 10:55 |
| jenda | same here. | 10:56 |
| tsmithe | Burgundavia: sorry; im an idiot. that was in my normal firefox! | 10:56 |
| tsmithe | Burgundavia: it says "Sorry, I have failed \n Download for Other Platforms". This was in IE6 | 10:57 |
| Burgundavia | ah, hmm | 10:57 |
| Burgundavia | can you paste your useragent string here? | 10:57 |
| tsmithe | uhuh | 10:58 |
| tsmithe | how do i do that? | 10:59 |
| tsmithe | isnt it in the logs | 10:59 |
| tsmithe | ? | 10:59 |
| tsmithe | my ip is 82.70.109.22 | 10:59 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.useragentstring.com/ | 10:59 |
| jenda | "U for strong security" | 11:00 |
| jenda | w00t | 11:00 |
| jenda | how come? | 11:00 |
| tsmithe | Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) | 11:00 |
| jenda | I never gave a damn about security... must be the router. | 11:01 |
| tsmithe | i have U too (on firefox) | 11:01 |
| Burgundavia | U is Unix | 11:01 |
| jenda | aha | 11:01 |
| Burgundavia | I think | 11:01 |
| jenda | * N for no security | 11:01 |
| jenda | * U for strong security | 11:01 |
| jenda | * I for weak security | 11:01 |
| jenda | I don't think so :) | 11:01 |
| tsmithe | Burgundavia: what is it supposed to do? | 11:02 |
| Burgundavia | try now? | 11:03 |
| Burgundavia | it sniffs the current platform and then offers the most logical choice for download | 11:03 |
| tsmithe | same | 11:03 |
| tsmithe | obviously msie doesnt give out the platform! | 11:03 |
| jenda | tsmithe: try ubuntu.ca/test.html now | 11:04 |
| Burgundavia | what does useragentstring.com tell you your platform is? | 11:04 |
| tsmithe | same! | 11:04 |
| jenda | ok | 11:04 |
| tsmithe | Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) | 11:04 |
| Burgundavia | no, in the lower tabel | 11:04 |
| tsmithe | oh... hang on... | 11:04 |
| tsmithe | OS-or-CPU? | 11:05 |
| tsmithe | Windows XP | 11:05 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 11:05 |
| tsmithe | XP | 11:05 |
| tsmithe | not a platform | 11:05 |
| tsmithe | i mean arch | 11:05 |
| Burgundavia | try now | 11:05 |
| tsmithe | same | 11:06 |
| Burgundavia | except you just checked with your firefox browser | 11:06 |
| tsmithe | nope | 11:06 |
| Burgundavia | tail -f works wonders | 11:06 |
| tsmithe | i did also just check with firefox | 11:06 |
| tsmithe | but with ie as well | 11:06 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 11:07 |
| tsmithe | also, why is it an "else if" for amd64? dont you want to display both the x86 and x86_64 options? | 11:07 |
| Burgundavia | sure | 11:08 |
| Burgundavia | just making it certain I can detect it now | 11:09 |
| Burgundavia | the eventual plan will be to offer everything, but say "this is what your computer is likely running right now" | 11:09 |
| Burgundavia | try now | 11:09 |
| tsmithe | nope | 11:09 |
| tsmithe | navigator.platform.indexOf("Win32") | 11:10 |
| tsmithe | ? | 11:10 |
| tsmithe | i think that's the windows string | 11:10 |
| Burgundavia | ok, try that | 11:10 |
| tsmithe | good to go! | 11:10 |
| Burgundavia | rock | 11:11 |
| Burgundavia | now I need an Win64 user | 11:11 |
| tsmithe | a little googling never hurt anyone! | 11:11 |
| tsmithe | perhaps Win64? | 11:11 |
| tsmithe | hang on | 11:11 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 11:11 |
| jenda | "a little googling never hurt anyone!" <-- curiosity killed the cat, don't forget. | 11:14 |
| tsmithe | not my cat | 11:15 |
| tsmithe | and he's quite curious | 11:15 |
| tsmithe | no win64 people in #ubuntu either! | 11:18 |
| tsmithe | i should try a windows channel | 11:19 |
| Burgundavia | got two in ##windows | 11:19 |
| tsmithe | damn | 11:19 |
| tsmithe | you had better initiative! | 11:19 |
| tsmithe | lol: "Replace your 64-bit Windows!" | 11:20 |
| Burgundavia | does it work for you? | 11:21 |
| tsmithe | nope. i'm just looking at the sources! | 11:21 |
| tsmithe | i could set up qemu to emulate a 64-bit box. but that might be a bit slow on my 32-bit machine... | 11:22 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, interesting | 11:26 |
| Burgundavia | how do we deal with people running 32 browsers on 64 bit OSes? | 11:27 |
| Burgundavia | because the user agent string tells us nothing | 11:27 |
| tsmithe | dunno. | 11:28 |
| Burgundavia | for now, if we offer all three, current win64 users are probably savvy enough | 11:28 |
| jenda | prolly | 11:29 |
| tsmithe | yeah | 11:30 |
| tsmithe | i guess | 11:30 |
| jenda | I wish I had a digital camera. | 11:31 |
| jenda | I have 9 little rolls of posters with a black Ubuntu Logo sticker on them. | 11:31 |
| jenda | I could post it with a 'christmas comes early for some people this year' on the forum :) | 11:32 |
| tsmithe | i wish i had a digital camera as well | 11:34 |
| jenda | tsmithe, your roll is the biggest :) | 11:36 |
| tsmithe | yay! | 11:37 |
| tsmithe | im gonna put them everywhere! | 11:38 |
| tsmithe | lim(x as x->infinity) (15/x) = 0 | 11:39 |
| tsmithe | damn i dont have enough! | 11:39 |
| tsmithe | how many was i getting again? | 11:40 |
| jenda | 15 | 11:41 |
| jenda | 11:41 | |
| Admiral_Chicago | are there any general marketing tacting that Ubuntu is using to do advocatacy | 11:42 |
| tsmithe | so yeah. i dont have enough to put them anywhere | 11:42 |
| tsmithe | Admiral_Chicago: education | 11:42 |
| Admiral_Chicago | i'm doing marketing for a fundraiser at school | 11:42 |
| tsmithe | tell people about the benefits, the problems, and the differences | 11:42 |
| tsmithe | then give them a cd | 11:42 |
| Admiral_Chicago | tsmithe: that's what i thought! | 11:42 |
| Admiral_Chicago | like telling people what it's about | 11:42 |
| tsmithe | you'll use all your cds quite quickly | 11:43 |
| tsmithe | make sure they know it's different | 11:43 |
| Admiral_Chicago | i do that all the time, gave a few away tonight | 11:43 |
| tsmithe | im still waiting for my next shipment. people seem to prefer the official ones... | 11:43 |
| Admiral_Chicago | tsmithe: edgy or dapper? | 11:44 |
| tsmithe | dapper | 11:44 |
| tsmithe | why? | 11:44 |
| Admiral_Chicago | edgy isn't being a part of the shipits | 11:45 |
| Admiral_Chicago | but i think you knew that | 11:45 |
| tsmithe | i know | 11:45 |
| tsmithe | that's why dapper | 11:45 |
| tsmithe | (and edgy is quite edgy) | 11:46 |
| Admiral_Chicago | tsmithe: i trust edgy for clean installs | 11:46 |
| Admiral_Chicago | not much more | 11:46 |
| jenda | Admiral_Chicago: show them beryl, and half the job's done :) | 11:46 |
| Admiral_Chicago | but i have to go to bed | 11:46 |
| Admiral_Chicago | it's bed time | 11:46 |
| Admiral_Chicago | jenda: that's what i'm doing at my talk on firday | 11:46 |
| tsmithe | yeah. i show them beryl | 11:46 |
| Admiral_Chicago | Friday* | 11:46 |
| jenda | indeed. | 11:47 |
| Admiral_Chicago | i do compiz/XGL, i got compiz to work | 11:47 |
| Admiral_Chicago | no idea how to switch to Beryl | 11:47 |
| tsmithe | xglx is evil | 11:47 |
| jenda | I'm giving a lecture about accelerated desktop at the technical university in three weeks... | 11:47 |
| Admiral_Chicago | but i was asking about general marketing, not OS specific | 11:47 |
| jenda | ...I should learn more about it before I go, though :) | 11:47 |
| jenda | Admiral_Chicago: we're still learning. | 11:48 |
| Admiral_Chicago | jenda: mine is on F/OSS /hacking/ Ubuntu community | 11:48 |
| jenda | cool | 11:48 |
| Admiral_Chicago | jenda: i know, that's why i'm reporting back to the Ubuntu Chicago LoCa | 11:48 |
| Admiral_Chicago | LoCo | 11:48 |
| jenda | @ hacking - mention the hacking capture-the-flag | 11:48 |
| jenda | Chicago :) | 11:48 |
| jenda | neat-o | 11:48 |
| jenda | nix's turf. | 11:49 |
| tsmithe | europe's better isnt it jenda? | 11:49 |
| Admiral_Chicago | jenda: i'm talking about hacking the Gaim Source Code to fix Beta 4 system tray | 11:49 |
| jenda | reminds me... nixternal: ping | 11:49 |
| Admiral_Chicago | that guy is okay. | 11:49 |
| tsmithe | obviously a dos pong! | 11:49 |
| Admiral_Chicago | but a jert :P | 11:49 |
| Admiral_Chicago | okay bed time | 11:49 |
| tsmithe | jert? | 11:49 |
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| Admiral_Chicago | jerk! | 11:49 |
| Admiral_Chicago | that guy (nixternal) is a jerk | 11:50 |
| Admiral_Chicago | be back in a few | 11:50 |
| tsmithe | jenda: did you have a denial of service pong? | 11:50 |
| Admiral_Chicago | it's way early for me | 11:50 |
| Admiral_Chicago | 5 in the morning | 11:50 |
| Admiral_Chicago | going to bed | 11:50 |
| jenda | tsmithe: it's better for me, because it's home... | 11:52 |
| jenda | oops :) | 11:52 |
| jenda | what'd i miss? | 11:52 |
| jenda | please don't attack people. | 11:52 |
| jenda | tsmithe: dunno. | 11:52 |
| tsmithe | well you went "ping", and then left, so i guessed you'd been flooded with pongs | 11:52 |
| tsmithe | a denial of service | 11:52 |
| jenda | don't think so :) | 11:53 |
| jenda | But no idea what happened. | 11:53 |
| jenda | "* You have been kicked from #ubuntu-marketing by -bip (Server disconnected, reconnecting)" | 11:54 |
| jenda | oh well. bip doesn't like me :) | 11:54 |
| tsmithe | what's "bip"? | 11:54 |
| Burgundavia | wierd | 11:54 |
| tsmithe | "* You have been kicked from #ubuntu-marketing by -bip (Server disconnected, reconnecting)" | 11:55 |
| tsmithe | what's bip?! | 11:55 |
| tsmithe | not even a user! | 11:55 |
| jenda | it's my IRC proxy :) | 11:56 |
| tsmithe | ah! | 11:56 |
| jenda | my other PC, in other words :) | 11:56 |
| tsmithe | why a proxy | 11:56 |
| tsmithe | ? | 11:56 |
| jenda | because that way, you never know I log off | 11:57 |
| jenda | unless the server cuts me off, like just a while ago. | 11:57 |
| jenda | I can grab my lappy, disconnect from IRC, go to school, connect again, and you wont' see a thing - and I won't miss a thing, because of backlogs. | 11:58 |
| tsmithe | why do i care if you log off? | 11:58 |
| tsmithe | if you do and i dont know its weird trying to talk to you! | 11:58 |
| jenda | 12:00 | |
| jenda | well, I'll see all the messages when I come back. | 12:00 |
| tsmithe | by which time ive gone! | 12:00 |
| jenda | It's no weirder than leaving IRC on overnigth, which most people do anyway. | 12:01 |
| jenda | or - many. | 12:01 |
| tsmithe | i dont | 12:01 |
| jenda | most people in this channel definitely do. | 12:01 |
| tsmithe | i can tell. | 12:01 |
| tsmithe | ive never seen it with less than 26 users | 12:01 |
| tsmithe | and its obviously empty lots of the time | 12:01 |
| jenda | #ubuntu is worse :) | 12:02 |
| tsmithe | but that's always active | 12:02 |
| jenda | never goes under 800, and you hardly see more than 20 people active. | 12:02 |
| tsmithe | yeah... 845 just now | 12:03 |
| tsmithe | that's a hell of a lot | 12:03 |
| tsmithe | (almost as many as at my school!) | 12:03 |
| jenda | another advantage: I don't need onjoin channels. | 12:03 |
| jenda | When I join a channel, I'm in it until I decide to leave. | 12:03 |
| jenda | Or someone decides for me :) | 12:03 |
| tsmithe | well i just have xchat join automagically | 12:04 |
| jenda | yes - but I change my mind often :) | 12:05 |
| jenda | and besides, I have too many channels for xchat to manage :/ | 12:05 |
| tsmithe | ah | 12:05 |
| tsmithe | i have 7 | 12:05 |
| tsmithe | now 6 | 12:05 |
| jenda | I prefer not to count them :) | 12:06 |
| jenda | ut it's around 30 | 12:06 |
| tsmithe | i see | 12:07 |
| Burgundavia | I love using epiphany for editing html | 12:12 |
| Burgundavia | it uses inotify to pick up local changes and reloads itself | 12:12 |
| tsmithe | wow! i should really use epiphany. i just dont like it's tab handling | 12:13 |
| jenda | sounds spiffy | 12:13 |
| Burgundavia | what don't you like about its tabs? | 12:13 |
| tsmithe | its not ctrl+tab | 12:14 |
| tsmithe | to change | 12:14 |
| Burgundavia | right | 12:14 |
| tsmithe | plus firefox is used so often on my machine its preloaded... | 12:15 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFAJDbV9Vfs&NR | 01:19 |
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| jenda | having fun? | 01:26 |
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| nixternal | jenda: pong? | 05:31 |
| lophyte | oi... | 05:32 |
| jenda | oi :) | 05:32 |
| nixternal | oi | 05:32 |
| lophyte | my workshop last night sucked | 05:32 |
| tsmithe | awh diddums | 05:32 |
| tsmithe | what was it on? | 05:32 |
| lophyte | intro to ubuntu, basicallt | 05:33 |
| lophyte | basically* | 05:33 |
| lophyte | I tried to improv it too much... | 05:34 |
| jenda | aww | 05:34 |
| jenda | wht went wrong? | 05:34 |
| lophyte | well first of all, we had no projector for the first hour | 05:34 |
| lophyte | spent too much time on the install | 05:35 |
| tsmithe | why? | 05:35 |
| tsmithe | normally >30mins here | 05:35 |
| tsmithe | projector down to X.org was it? | 05:35 |
| lophyte | yup | 05:35 |
| lophyte | it didn't work on the livecd | 05:35 |
| tsmithe | dear dear | 05:35 |
| lophyte | we should've done a rehearsal | 05:35 |
| jenda | eek | 05:35 |
| jenda | yep | 05:36 |
| tsmithe | you should've taken an installed machine! | 05:36 |
| jenda | You never cease to learn :) | 05:36 |
| lophyte | and again, I tried to wing it too much.. | 05:36 |
| lophyte | next time I'll have a solid agenda and stick to it | 05:36 |
| tsmithe | thats bad? | 05:36 |
| tsmithe | what went wrong there? | 05:36 |
| lophyte | there were 3 people from Ubuntu Toronto including myself.. all of which were trying to lead the workshop | 05:36 |
| tsmithe | oh | 05:36 |
| lophyte | so it was really confusing to have people constantly interrupting to add their two cents | 05:37 |
| lophyte | not to mention that their two cents usually included technical jargon that people may or may not be familiar with | 05:37 |
| tsmithe | what did the audience think? | 05:37 |
| lophyte | there were one of two folks that seems dissatisfied | 05:38 |
| lophyte | but for the most part they seemed to enjoy it, and they wer epolite and thanked me afterward | 05:38 |
| lophyte | there was only about a dozen people | 05:38 |
| tsmithe | well then it wasnt that bad! your always gonna have some humbug whos dissatisfied! | 05:39 |
| lophyte | well I felt it was bad.. mostly because we had 3 people trying to talk | 05:39 |
| lophyte | http://www.linuxcaffe.ca/node/784 | 05:40 |
| jenda | Next time divide your roles clearly. That goes for all of us :) | 05:40 |
| lophyte | hehe, yeah | 05:41 |
| lophyte | hahaha.. my girlfriend's friend's kid comes in here and asks if he can have a slice of peacock pie | 05:41 |
| lophyte | I was like "uh.. pecan pie? sure.." | 05:41 |
| jenda | lol | 05:41 |
| lophyte | peacock pie... huh... not sure about that one | 05:42 |
| tsmithe | might be a bit stringy... | 05:43 |
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| lophyte | hmm | 06:41 |
| lophyte | Hey! | 06:41 |
| lophyte | Last night's workshop was great! Thanks to everyone for their very | 06:41 |
| lophyte | valuable input regarding all things Ubuntu. | 06:41 |
| lophyte | perhaps it wasn't so bad :P | 06:41 |
| jenda | lophyte: huh? | 06:42 |
| jenda | a sudden change of mood? :) | 06:42 |
| lophyte | jenda: hehe.. no, that was an email from one of the people who attended | 07:47 |
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| jenda | aha :) | 07:54 |
| jenda | be sure to include quotes next time | 07:54 |
| lophyte | hehe | 07:55 |
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