[06:17] <Madpilot> http://thismight.be/offensive/2006/10/11/index.php?id=18
[10:38] <jenda> nixternal: pnig
[10:39] <jenda> !lart fingers
[10:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lart fingers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:43] <BHSPitLappy> @lart fingers
[10:45] <jenda> no ubugtu :)
[10:45] <jenda> didn't know we had ubotu here :) cool.
[10:46] <jenda> hello tsmithe
[10:48] <tsmithe> yo jenda hows it in prague?
[10:48] <jenda> busy :)
[10:48] <jenda> but alive.
[10:49] <tsmithe> wow... busy. where i live (on a farm a mile from the nearest road) its the opposite
[10:49] <BHSPitLappy> could anyone suggest why connecting to freenode takes so long for me
[10:49] <BHSPitLappy> maybe identd business?
[10:49] <tsmithe> nope
[10:49] <tsmithe> it takes a while for me too
[10:49] <BHSPitLappy> because at some houses it comes up in a flash
[10:49] <BHSPitLappy> (other routers)
[10:50] <BHSPitLappy> but I have to sit and wait
[10:50] <Burgundavia> anybody here have amd64 or ppc machines?
[10:50] <tsmithe> nope
[10:50] <tsmithe> wow this place has suddenly got busy as well!
[10:52] <jenda> Burgundavia: nope, sorry.
[10:52] <Burgundavia> bugger
[10:52] <tsmithe> why?
[10:52] <tsmithe> i mean why do you want  weird arch users?
[10:52] <jenda> it just wakes up at times :)
[10:52] <jenda> hehe
[10:53] <tsmithe> jenda: :)
[10:53] <Burgundavia> testing a new script to offer the correct arch for downloading Ubuntuy
[10:53] <Burgundavia> anybody got a Windows machine available?
[10:53] <tsmithe> does it offer the correct arch to you?
[10:53] <jenda> Burgundavia: if you insist, I could boot up my wink
[10:53] <jenda> win2k
[10:53] <jenda> :/
[10:53] <Burgundavia> that would be stellar if you could
[10:54] <Burgundavia> send me the user agent string
[10:54] <jenda> argh... :)
[10:54] <jenda> ok, I'll have to log off to do dat
[10:54] <jenda> so, once I boot up, what do I do?
[10:54] <jenda> You could pastebin me the instructions :)
[10:54] <tsmithe> Burgundavia: i have a win xp qemu machine on
[10:55] <Burgundavia> ubuntu.ca/test.html
[10:55] <Burgundavia> what does that give you?'
[10:55] <jenda> Burgundavia: is tsmithe's good enough?
[10:55] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:55] <jenda> *phew*
[10:55] <jenda> :)
[10:55] <jenda> rescued :)
[10:55] <tsmithe> Burgundavia: it says "Download now for x86; Download for Other Platforms"
[10:55] <tsmithe> what sould it say?
[10:55] <jenda> I really hate booting into the thing. I dunno why I still have it on there.
[10:56] <jenda> same here.
[10:56] <tsmithe> Burgundavia: sorry; im an idiot. that was in my normal firefox!
[10:57] <tsmithe> Burgundavia: it says "Sorry, I have failed \n Download for Other Platforms". This was in IE6
[10:57] <Burgundavia> ah, hmm
[10:57] <Burgundavia> can you paste your useragent string here?
[10:58] <tsmithe> uhuh
[10:59] <tsmithe> how do i do that?
[10:59] <tsmithe> isnt it in the logs
[10:59] <tsmithe> ?
[10:59] <tsmithe> my ip is 82.70.109.22
[10:59] <Burgundavia> http://www.useragentstring.com/
[11:00] <jenda> "U for strong security"
[11:00] <jenda> w00t
[11:00] <jenda> how come?
[11:00] <tsmithe> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)
[11:01] <jenda> I never gave a damn about security... must be the router.
[11:01] <tsmithe> i have U too (on firefox)
[11:01] <Burgundavia> U is Unix
[11:01] <jenda> aha
[11:01] <Burgundavia> I think
[11:01] <jenda>     *  N for no security
[11:01] <jenda>     * U for strong security
[11:01] <jenda>     * I for weak security
[11:01] <jenda> I don't think so :)
[11:02] <tsmithe> Burgundavia: what is it supposed to do?
[11:03] <Burgundavia> try now?
[11:03] <Burgundavia> it sniffs the current platform and then offers the most logical choice for download
[11:03] <tsmithe> same
[11:03] <tsmithe> obviously msie doesnt give out the platform!
[11:04] <jenda> tsmithe: try ubuntu.ca/test.html now
[11:04] <Burgundavia> what does useragentstring.com tell you your platform is?
[11:04] <tsmithe> same!
[11:04] <jenda> ok 
[11:04] <tsmithe>  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)
[11:04] <Burgundavia> no, in the lower tabel
[11:04] <tsmithe> oh... hang on...
[11:05] <tsmithe> OS-or-CPU?
[11:05] <tsmithe> Windows XP
[11:05] <Burgundavia> yep
[11:05] <tsmithe> XP
[11:05] <tsmithe> not a platform
[11:05] <tsmithe> i mean arch
[11:05] <Burgundavia> try now
[11:06] <tsmithe> same
[11:06] <Burgundavia> except you just checked with your firefox browser
[11:06] <tsmithe> nope
[11:06] <Burgundavia> tail -f works wonders
[11:06] <tsmithe> i did also just check with firefox
[11:06] <tsmithe> but with ie as well
[11:07] <Burgundavia> hmm
[11:07] <tsmithe> also, why is it an "else if" for amd64? dont you want to display both the x86 and x86_64 options?
[11:08] <Burgundavia> sure
[11:09] <Burgundavia> just making it certain I can detect it now
[11:09] <Burgundavia> the eventual plan will be to offer everything, but say "this is what your computer is likely running right now"
[11:09] <Burgundavia> try now
[11:09] <tsmithe> nope
[11:10] <tsmithe> navigator.platform.indexOf("Win32")
[11:10] <tsmithe> ?
[11:10] <tsmithe> i think that's the windows string
[11:10] <Burgundavia> ok, try that
[11:10] <tsmithe> good to go!
[11:11] <Burgundavia> rock
[11:11] <Burgundavia> now I need an Win64 user
[11:11] <tsmithe> a little googling never hurt anyone!
[11:11] <tsmithe> perhaps Win64?
[11:11] <tsmithe> hang on
[11:11] <Burgundavia> yep
[11:14] <jenda> "a little googling never hurt anyone!" <-- curiosity killed the cat, don't forget.
[11:15] <tsmithe> not my cat
[11:15] <tsmithe> and he's quite curious
[11:18] <tsmithe> no win64 people in #ubuntu either!
[11:19] <tsmithe> i should try a windows channel
[11:19] <Burgundavia> got two in ##windows
[11:19] <tsmithe> damn
[11:19] <tsmithe> you had better initiative!
[11:20] <tsmithe> lol: "Replace your 64-bit Windows!"
[11:21] <Burgundavia> does it work for you?
[11:21] <tsmithe> nope. i'm just looking at the sources!
[11:22] <tsmithe> i could set up qemu to emulate a 64-bit box. but that might be a bit slow on my 32-bit machine...
[11:26] <Burgundavia> hmm, interesting
[11:27] <Burgundavia> how do we deal with people running 32 browsers on 64 bit OSes?
[11:27] <Burgundavia> because the user agent string tells us nothing
[11:28] <tsmithe> dunno.
[11:28] <Burgundavia> for now, if we offer all three, current win64 users are probably savvy enough
[11:29] <jenda> prolly
[11:30] <tsmithe> yeah
[11:30] <tsmithe> i guess
[11:31] <jenda> I wish I had a digital camera.
[11:31] <jenda> I have 9 little rolls of posters with a black Ubuntu Logo sticker on them.
[11:32] <jenda> I could post it with a 'christmas comes early for some people this year' on the forum :)
[11:34] <tsmithe> i wish i had a digital camera as well
[11:36] <jenda> tsmithe, your roll is the biggest :)
[11:37] <tsmithe> yay!
[11:38] <tsmithe> im gonna put them everywhere!
[11:39] <tsmithe> lim(x as x->infinity) (15/x) = 0
[11:39] <tsmithe> damn i dont have enough!
[11:40] <tsmithe> how many was i getting again?
[11:41] <jenda> 15
[11:41] <jenda> 
[11:42] <Admiral_Chicago> are there any general marketing tacting that Ubuntu is using to do advocatacy
[11:42] <tsmithe> so yeah. i dont have enough to put them anywhere
[11:42] <tsmithe> Admiral_Chicago: education
[11:42] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm doing marketing for a fundraiser at school
[11:42] <tsmithe> tell people about the benefits, the problems, and the differences
[11:42] <tsmithe> then give them a cd
[11:42] <Admiral_Chicago> tsmithe: that's what i thought!
[11:42] <Admiral_Chicago> like telling people what it's about
[11:43] <tsmithe> you'll use all your cds quite quickly
[11:43] <tsmithe> make sure they know it's different
[11:43] <Admiral_Chicago> i do that all the time, gave a few away tonight
[11:43] <tsmithe> im still waiting for my next shipment. people seem to prefer the official ones...
[11:44] <Admiral_Chicago> tsmithe: edgy or dapper?
[11:44] <tsmithe> dapper
[11:44] <tsmithe> why?
[11:45] <Admiral_Chicago> edgy isn't being a part of the shipits
[11:45] <Admiral_Chicago> but i think you knew that
[11:45] <tsmithe> i know
[11:45] <tsmithe> that's why dapper
[11:46] <tsmithe> (and edgy is quite edgy)
[11:46] <Admiral_Chicago> tsmithe: i trust edgy for clean installs
[11:46] <Admiral_Chicago> not much more
[11:46] <jenda> Admiral_Chicago: show them beryl, and half the job's done :)
[11:46] <Admiral_Chicago> but i have to go to bed
[11:46] <Admiral_Chicago> it's bed time
[11:46] <Admiral_Chicago> jenda: that's what i'm doing at my talk on firday
[11:46] <tsmithe> yeah. i show them beryl
[11:46] <Admiral_Chicago> Friday*
[11:47] <jenda> indeed.
[11:47] <Admiral_Chicago> i do compiz/XGL, i got compiz to work
[11:47] <Admiral_Chicago> no idea how to switch to Beryl
[11:47] <tsmithe> xglx is evil
[11:47] <jenda> I'm giving a lecture about accelerated desktop at the technical university in three weeks...
[11:47] <Admiral_Chicago> but i was asking about general marketing, not OS specific
[11:47] <jenda> ...I should learn more about it before I go, though :)
[11:48] <jenda> Admiral_Chicago: we're still learning.
[11:48] <Admiral_Chicago> jenda: mine is on F/OSS /hacking/ Ubuntu community
[11:48] <jenda> cool
[11:48] <Admiral_Chicago> jenda: i know, that's why i'm reporting back to the Ubuntu Chicago LoCa
[11:48] <Admiral_Chicago> LoCo
[11:48] <jenda> @ hacking - mention the hacking capture-the-flag
[11:48] <jenda> Chicago :)
[11:48] <jenda> neat-o
[11:49] <jenda> nix's turf.
[11:49] <tsmithe> europe's better isnt it jenda?
[11:49] <Admiral_Chicago> jenda: i'm talking about hacking the Gaim Source Code to fix Beta 4 system tray
[11:49] <jenda> reminds me... nixternal: ping
[11:49] <Admiral_Chicago> that guy is okay.
[11:49] <tsmithe> obviously a dos pong!
[11:49] <Admiral_Chicago> but a jert :P
[11:49] <Admiral_Chicago> okay bed time
[11:49] <tsmithe> jert?
[11:49] <Admiral_Chicago> jerk!
[11:50] <Admiral_Chicago> that guy (nixternal) is a jerk
[11:50] <Admiral_Chicago> be back in a few
[11:50] <tsmithe> jenda: did you have a denial of service pong?
[11:50] <Admiral_Chicago> it's way early for me
[11:50] <Admiral_Chicago> 5 in the morning
[11:50] <Admiral_Chicago> going to bed
[11:52] <jenda> tsmithe: it's better for me, because it's home...
[11:52] <jenda> oops :)
[11:52] <jenda> what'd i miss?
[11:52] <jenda> please don't attack people.
[11:52] <jenda> tsmithe: dunno.
[11:52] <tsmithe> well you went "ping", and then left, so i guessed you'd been flooded with pongs
[11:52] <tsmithe> a denial of service
[11:53] <jenda> don't think so :)
[11:53] <jenda> But no idea what happened.
[11:54] <jenda> "* You have been kicked from #ubuntu-marketing by -bip (Server disconnected, reconnecting)"
[11:54] <jenda> oh well. bip doesn't like me :)
[11:54] <tsmithe> what's "bip"?
[11:54] <Burgundavia> wierd
[11:55] <tsmithe> "* You have been kicked from #ubuntu-marketing by -bip (Server disconnected, reconnecting)"
[11:55] <tsmithe> what's bip?!
[11:55] <tsmithe> not even a user!
[11:56] <jenda> it's my IRC proxy :)
[11:56] <tsmithe> ah!
[11:56] <jenda> my other PC, in other words :)
[11:56] <tsmithe> why a proxy
[11:56] <tsmithe> ?
[11:57] <jenda> because that way, you never know I log off
[11:57] <jenda> unless the server cuts me off, like just a while ago.
[11:58] <jenda> I can grab my lappy, disconnect from IRC, go to school, connect again, and you wont' see a thing - and I won't miss a thing, because of backlogs.
[11:58] <tsmithe> why do i care if you log off?
[11:58] <tsmithe> if you do and i dont know its weird trying to talk to you!
[12:00] <jenda> 
[12:00] <jenda> well, I'll see all the messages when I come back.
[12:00] <tsmithe> by which time ive gone!
[12:01] <jenda> It's no weirder than leaving IRC on overnigth, which most people do anyway.
[12:01] <jenda> or - many.
[12:01] <tsmithe> i dont
[12:01] <jenda> most people in this channel definitely do.
[12:01] <tsmithe> i can tell.
[12:01] <tsmithe> ive never seen it with less than 26 users
[12:01] <tsmithe> and its obviously empty lots of the time
[12:02] <jenda> #ubuntu is worse :)
[12:02] <tsmithe> but that's always active
[12:02] <jenda> never goes under 800, and you hardly see more than 20 people active.
[12:03] <tsmithe> yeah... 845 just now
[12:03] <tsmithe> that's a hell of a lot
[12:03] <tsmithe> (almost as many as at my school!)
[12:03] <jenda> another advantage: I don't need onjoin channels.
[12:03] <jenda> When I join a channel, I'm in it until I decide to leave.
[12:03] <jenda> Or someone decides for me :)
[12:04] <tsmithe> well i just have xchat join automagically
[12:05] <jenda> yes - but I change my mind often :)
[12:05] <jenda> and besides, I have too many channels for xchat to manage :/
[12:05] <tsmithe> ah
[12:05] <tsmithe> i have 7
[12:05] <tsmithe> now 6
[12:06] <jenda> I prefer not to count them :)
[12:06] <jenda> ut it's around 30
[12:07] <tsmithe> i see
[12:12] <Burgundavia> I love using epiphany for editing html
[12:12] <Burgundavia> it uses inotify to pick up local changes and reloads itself
[12:13] <tsmithe> wow! i should really use epiphany. i just dont like it's tab handling
[12:13] <jenda> sounds spiffy
[12:13] <Burgundavia> what don't you like about its tabs?
[12:14] <tsmithe> its not ctrl+tab
[12:14] <tsmithe> to change
[12:14] <Burgundavia> right
[12:15] <tsmithe> plus firefox is used so often on my machine its preloaded...
[01:19] <Burgundavia> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFAJDbV9Vfs&NR
[01:26] <jenda> having fun?
[05:31] <nixternal> jenda: pong?
[05:32] <lophyte> oi...
[05:32] <jenda> oi :)
[05:32] <nixternal> oi
[05:32] <lophyte> my workshop last night sucked
[05:32] <tsmithe> awh diddums
[05:32] <tsmithe> what was it on?
[05:33] <lophyte> intro to ubuntu, basicallt
[05:33] <lophyte> basically*
[05:34] <lophyte> I tried to improv it too much...
[05:34] <jenda> aww
[05:34] <jenda> wht went wrong?
[05:34] <lophyte> well first of all, we had no projector for the first hour
[05:35] <lophyte> spent too much time on the install
[05:35] <tsmithe> why?
[05:35] <tsmithe> normally >30mins here
[05:35] <tsmithe> projector down to X.org was it?
[05:35] <lophyte> yup
[05:35] <lophyte> it didn't work on the livecd
[05:35] <tsmithe> dear dear
[05:35] <lophyte> we should've done a rehearsal
[05:35] <jenda> eek
[05:36] <jenda> yep
[05:36] <tsmithe> you should've taken an installed machine!
[05:36] <jenda> You never cease to learn :)
[05:36] <lophyte> and again, I tried to wing it too much..
[05:36] <lophyte> next time I'll have a solid agenda and stick to it
[05:36] <tsmithe> thats bad?
[05:36] <tsmithe> what went wrong there?
[05:36] <lophyte> there were 3 people from Ubuntu Toronto including myself.. all of which were trying to lead the workshop
[05:36] <tsmithe> oh
[05:37] <lophyte> so it was really confusing to have people constantly interrupting to add their two cents
[05:37] <lophyte> not to mention that their two cents usually included technical jargon that people may or may not be familiar with
[05:37] <tsmithe> what did the audience think?
[05:38] <lophyte> there were one of two folks that seems dissatisfied
[05:38] <lophyte> but for the most part they seemed to enjoy it, and they wer epolite and thanked me afterward
[05:38] <lophyte> there was only about a dozen people
[05:39] <tsmithe> well then it wasnt that bad! your always gonna have some humbug whos dissatisfied!
[05:39] <lophyte> well I felt it was bad.. mostly because we had 3 people trying to talk
[05:40] <lophyte> http://www.linuxcaffe.ca/node/784
[05:40] <jenda> Next time divide your roles clearly. That goes for all of us :)
[05:41] <lophyte> hehe, yeah
[05:41] <lophyte> hahaha.. my girlfriend's friend's kid comes in here and asks if he can have a slice of peacock pie
[05:41] <lophyte> I was like "uh.. pecan pie? sure.."
[05:41] <jenda> lol 
[05:42] <lophyte> peacock pie... huh... not sure about that one
[05:43] <tsmithe> might be a bit stringy...
[06:41] <lophyte> hmm
[06:41] <lophyte> Hey!
[06:41] <lophyte> Last night's workshop was great! Thanks to everyone for their very
[06:41] <lophyte> valuable input regarding all things Ubuntu.
[06:41] <lophyte> perhaps it wasn't so bad :P
[06:42] <jenda> lophyte: huh?
[06:42] <jenda> a sudden change of mood? :)
[07:47] <lophyte> jenda: hehe.. no, that was an email from one of the people who attended
[07:54] <jenda> aha :)
[07:54] <jenda> be sure to include quotes next time 
[07:55] <lophyte> hehe