[04:35] <sbalneav> Evening all
[05:05] <LaserAway> hi sbalneav 
[05:07] <sbalneav> Hey LaserAway
[05:19] <moquist> sbalneav: hiya
[05:20] <moquist> sbalneav: I'm trying to think of an even-trade sort of thing I can do to get you to shave off your mustache next time I see you. ;)
[05:21] <sbalneav> lol
[05:21] <moquist> sbalneav: for example, I could *wear* a mustache...not sure if that would pursuade you.
[05:22] <moquist> It might pursuade you that I should either shave or have a beard, but nothing in between, anyway. ;)
[05:22] <sbalneav> Hmmm beard.
[05:22] <sbalneav> greybeard
[05:22] <sbalneav> greybeard0
[05:23] <sbalneav> KEN THOMPSON!!!
[05:23] <moquist> Sorry, we don't have that beard here. We checked on the shelves and under the counter, and it simply isn't to be found.
[05:23] <sbalneav> LaserAway: Did you know who YOU missed out on seeing?
[05:23] <sbalneav> KEN THOMPSON!!!
[05:23] <moquist> LaserAway: I'll give you a hint...don't read the previous post from sbalneav...
[05:23] <moquist> heh; that timing works either way, I guess. :)
[05:25] <moquist> Ken seems like a really nice guy who would probably prefer to be mostly left alone, but who is so good-natured that he puts up with all the attention anyway.
[05:27] <sbalneav> That's why I mostly kept quiet,until the end when we got onto chess.
[05:27] <LaserJock> RichEd already spilled the beans to me
[05:28] <sbalneav> Wonder what it's like to be the ....errr.... Keith Richards of the computer world.
[05:28] <sbalneav> No
[05:28] <sbalneav> Umm
[05:28] <sbalneav> Little Richard
[05:28] <sbalneav> Ohh
[05:28] <LaserJock> :-)
[05:28] <sbalneav> Bill Haley
[05:29] <LaserJock> alas my boss was already mad enough at me for skipping 1 day
[05:30] <moquist> Jimmy Page and Paul McCartney come to mind; Elvis seems more appropriate and inappropriate at the same time.
[05:31] <LaserJock> mhm
[05:31] <sbalneav> Therefore, Elvis is perfect.
[05:31] <sbalneav> KEN THOMPSON!!! == Elvis
[05:31] <LaserJock> I hadn't even heard of him until RichEd mentioned him
[05:31] <LaserJock> quite cool to be that kind of guy
[05:32] <LaserJock> well, I've had a chance to play around with alacarte and edubuntu menus
[05:32] <sbalneav> KEN THOMPSON!!! sat down with DENNIS RICHIE!!! one day, and said, "Hmmm, what do I want my operating system to look like?..."
[05:33] <sbalneav> And because of their decisions, I DON'T have to administer Windows for a living :)
[05:33] <sbalneav> \o/
[05:34] <Amaranth> LaserJock: heh, even _I_ was there for dinner with KEN THOMPSON!!!1
[05:34] <Amaranth> :)
[05:35] <LaserJock> :(
[05:35] <LaserJock> well, you probably have more in common with him 
[05:36] <LaserJock> I'm just a chemist with an Ubuntu addiction
[05:36] <Amaranth> I'm just a fanboy with commit access. ;)
[05:37] <moquist> Amaranth: ya where? who are you? (/who was not sufficiently informative)
[05:37] <sbalneav> In this channel, by popular assent, KEN THOMPSON!!! Will always be spelled in all caps, with 3 exclamation marks, as befits the Elvis of the Information Technology world :)
[05:37] <Amaranth> moquist: where do i have commit access? gnome cvs and beryl svn
[05:37] <moquist> nonono, you said you were there for that dinner.
[05:37] <Amaranth> oh
[05:38] <Amaranth> Travis Watkins
[05:38] <moquist> I just don't know which face you have. :)
[05:38] <Amaranth> I was sitting next to whiprush (Jorge)
[05:38] <moquist> Yeah, /who told me your name...
[05:38] <moquist> Hmm. OK.
[05:38] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com/random/me.jpg minus hair
[05:39] <moquist> Ah! I remember you now.
[05:39] <Amaranth> i don't remember you ;)
[05:40] <moquist> I'm currently the 6th and 8th hits when you search images.google.com for 'moquist'
[05:40] <Amaranth> oh, right
[05:40] <Amaranth> i just found a picture :P
[05:40] <Amaranth> didn't you talk about software freedom day on wednesday?
[05:41] <moquist> Oh, and #12.
[05:41] <moquist> Yep, I talk about SFD quite a bit. ;)
[05:41] <LaserJock> is it a specific day?
[05:42] <moquist> SFD will always be on the third Saturday in September.
[05:42] <moquist> softwarefreedomday.org
[05:44] <LaserJock> oh cool
[05:44] <moquist> LaserJock: sign up for the team-contacts email list and we'll let you know when things get rolling for'07
[05:44] <moquist> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/team-contacts
[05:44] <LaserJock> is there a reason for it being on the third Saturday in September? or should I just keep reading
[05:45] <moquist> not a bad idea to keep reading, but the basic idea is that we're coordinating a global effort to celebrate FOSS on (and/or near) one particular day to maximize general synergy, cooperation, impact, attention, press, general warm-fuzzies, etc.
[05:50] <LaserJock> it's kinda easy to remember as Chemistry Day is on October 23rd I think
[05:52] <Amaranth> LaserJock: mole day?
[05:52] <LaserJock> wahooo
[05:53] <LaserJock> we but on some activities here
[05:53] <LaserJock> s/but/put/
[05:53] <LaserJock> that week is National Chemistry week
[05:53] <LaserJock> we did some chemistry demonstrations at a high school and middle school
[07:42] <jbrefort> LaserJock, ping?
[07:50] <LaserJock> jbrefort: pong
[07:51] <jbrefort> I have hopefully fixed the toolbar visibility issue
[07:51] <LaserJock> awesome
[07:52] <jbrefort> next development series release within two weeks
[07:52] <LaserJock> ok, I'll have some color schemes by then
[07:53] <LaserJock> I just want to add some sort of labeling
[07:53] <LaserJock> via glade file
[07:54] <jbrefort> great
[07:56] <LaserJock> jbrefort: how will 0.8 come about?
[07:56] <LaserJock> is it when 0.7 is looking stable?
[07:56] <LaserJock> or is separate
[07:56] <jbrefort> don't know yet, I would like april or may 2007, but we need goffice-0.4.0
[07:57] <jbrefort> of course, 0.7 must be stable before and docs updated (or written)
[07:58] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm trying to figure out what version we can put in Ubuntu Feisty
[07:58] <LaserJock> we have goffice-0.3.0
[07:58] <jbrefort> yes, but that one is quite unstable
[07:59] <jbrefort> and I don't want to have a stable release depend on an unstable version of any library
[07:59] <jbrefort> it would be a problem for most distribs (except ubuntu, apparently)
[08:00] <jbrefort> note that this will also block abiword-2.6 release
[08:01] <LaserJock> jbrefort: yeah, unfortunately I'm not sure what to do with the situation
[08:02] <LaserJock> I had thought about creating a seperate goffice-0.2 package
[08:02] <jbrefort> branch for 0.8 before Feisty and publish a beta or rc release, somethingg as 0.7.9x
[08:02] <LaserJock> mhm
[08:02] <jbrefort> if it is beta, it can depend on 0.3.x imho
[08:04] <jbrefort> the plan might be 0.7.4 in november, 0.7.5 in february and the freeze and branch
[08:04] <jbrefort> so that 0.7.90 might be available in march
[08:05] <LaserJock> hmm
[08:05] <LaserJock> well, we'll try to get things as updated as we can in Debian
[08:05] <LaserJock> and then I'll try to work out the situation in Ubuntu
[08:06] <jbrefort> that's wise
[08:06] <LaserJock> Daniel emailed today about it and bodr
[08:06] <LaserJock> so I think we'll get some somewhere :-)
[08:09] <jbrefort> ok, we might also discuss on #gchemutils at irc.gimp.net (not a permanent channel, no bot)
[10:23] <stgraber> good morning
[10:46] <juliux> morging all
[02:33] <SimonAnibal> Anyone here know anything about upstart? When I install Edgy on one of my Dells here, it doesn't show the new upstart screen during boot. Is that normal?
[03:37] <cbx33> hi all
[03:37] <cbx33> howz it going in edubuntu and
[03:37] <stgraber> hi
[03:37] <cbx33> land
[03:39] <cbx33> ping ogra
[03:44] <jsgotangco> hi
[03:53] <SimonAnibal> howdy
[05:39] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:47] <pygi> hey bddebian 
[05:56] <cbx33> hey guys
[05:56] <pygi> hello cbx33 
[05:56] <cbx33> hey pygi
[05:59] <cbx33> I've been ill and I'm a little out of the loop
[05:59] <cbx33> how are things in edubuntu land
[05:59] <cbx33> hey rodarvus 
[06:00] <pygi> cbx33, good are things , my exams arent tho :P
[06:00] <rodarvus> hi there
[06:00] <rodarvus> hi cbx33!
[06:00] <cbx33> oh why what's up?
[06:00] <cbx33> howz it going rodarvus 
[06:00] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[06:01] <pygi> cbx33, I failed every single exam so far because I have to work on libburn, etc,, etc?:)
[06:02] <cbx33> whaaaa?
[06:02] <cbx33> dude that's crazy
[06:02] <cbx33> I know libburn is important to you but exams are way more important
[06:02] <pygi> cbx33, ah, well :P
[06:03] <pygi> cbx33, but libburn got multi session implementation :P
[07:05] <stgraber> hi
[07:05] <Daynah> hello!
[07:08] <Daynah> So uh I'm a college student and the tech students and I (a biology major who just likes linux) are going to try to refurbish some computers and distribute them to some poor schools and daycare centers with edubuntu, and the local homeless shelter with ubuntu
[07:08] <Daynah> ...it's icy slow in here
[07:08] <Daynah> has anyone tried such an endeavour? there are many charity places online, but they all look a bit shady.
[07:09] <LaserJock> hmmm
[07:09] <LaserJock> Burgwork: ^^
[07:10] <Burgwork> just a sec, phone
[07:57] <cbx33> LaserJock, hey dude
[07:57] <LaserJock> hi RichEd cbx33 etc.
[09:05] <nixternal> oy!
[09:06] <LaserJock> what?
[09:09] <nixternal> nothing
[09:09] <nixternal> jeesh, you can't even oy no more
[09:09] <nixternal> see what happens when dems get elected
[09:10] <nixternal> there goes the free speach
[09:10] <nixternal> speech too
[09:12] <LaserJock> nixternal: haha
[09:13] <nixternal> ;p
[09:13] <Burgwork> right
[09:13] <nixternal> shush
[09:13] <nixternal> we are learning
[09:13] <nixternal> nice DW post btw Burgwork
[09:14] <Burgwork> apparently I am famous
[09:14] <LaserJock> DW?
[09:14] <Burgwork> wonder if Ladislav realizes that the Corey Burger who wrote that is the same Corey Burger who just purchased advertising for Userful on DW
[09:14] <Burgwork> Distrowatch
[09:15] <nixternal> lol
[09:15] <LaserJock> haha
[09:15] <Burgwork> "Ubuntu's Corey Burger has also voiced his concerns."
[09:15] <Burgwork> linking to my "freedom vs. spiny cube" blog post
[09:24] <LaserJock> hmm, this Novell things seems to be getting most of the comments
[09:25] <LaserJock> it'd be much easier to write them off if they didn't contribute cool things to the Linux community
[09:25] <Burgwork> http://www.nuxified.org/blog/ubuntu_down_the_drain
[09:25] <Burgwork> We are getting pounded in the press
[09:25] <nixternal> Burgwork: and it is only starting
[09:26] <Burgwork> yep
[09:26] <Burgwork> the really sad part is that every other spec is really cool
[09:26] <Burgwork> it is a more a matter of communication and marketing
[09:26] <nixternal> but i will laugh at all of them though when by the grace of god we just happen to cause nvidia and ati to work on providing open source or free solutions though
[09:27] <Burgwork> you have read my blog entry. Shipping binary drivers is not going to help that goal
[09:27] <nixternal> it doesn't matte which linux distro i use, im always going binary with nvidia and ati
[09:27] <nixternal> otherwise tuxracer is horrid
[09:27] <Burgwork> and tuxracer is the most important decision in choosing a distro
[09:27] <Burgwork> :)
[09:27] <nixternal> hehe
[09:28] <nixternal> ya, it isn't in ubuntu
[09:28] <Burgwork> yes it is
[09:28] <Burgwork> ppcracer
[09:28] <Burgwork> ppracer, rather
[09:28] <nixternal> planetpenguin-racer
[09:30] <stgraber> but for my current use, it's not possible to decently use my desktop without it
[09:30] <stgraber> (even watching a video is horrible with the free driver on my laptop :) (ati x300 and 1280x800))
[09:31] <Burgwork> interesting
[09:31] <Burgwork> that should work
[09:32] <cbx33> yeh dragging a window was horrible on mine
[09:33] <Burgwork> hmm, that nuxified article links to my blog as well
[09:36] <nixternal> lol
[09:40] <LaserJock> Burgwork: you da man ;-)
[09:40] <LaserJock> tbh, I'm fairly conflicted over it
[09:40] <LaserJock> If they are going to do it I think they should at least give a choice
[09:41] <LaserJock> sometimes the binary drivers are not the best
[09:41] <Burgwork> binary drivers are bad, period
[09:41] <Burgwork> the correct place to offer this choice is under the display properties dialog
[09:41] <Burgwork> tell the user: 3D Rendering Enabled|Disabled
[09:42] <LaserJock> mhm
[09:42] <LaserJock> for sure it removes a whole lot of bargaining power
[09:43] <LaserJock> but if you've given up on opensource ATI or Nvidia drivers then it doesn't seem so bad
[09:43] <Burgwork> but ATI is literally about to open source some of their stuff
[09:43] <Burgwork> and nouveau is coming along
[09:44] <LaserJock> mhm
[09:44] <LaserJock> I am surprised by it
[09:44] <LaserJock> considering the people who were discussing it
[09:45] <Burgwork> everybody was against binary drivers except mark and the beryl people, apparently
[09:45] <Burgwork> including mdz and mjg59
[09:45] <LaserJock> :(
[09:45] <LaserJock> I had other sessions to go to so I wasn't in on it