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freeflyingmorning all01:52
Jucatogood morning freeflying!01:55
imbrandonheya freeflying01:56
freeflying:)01:57
Jucatofreeflying: someone was looking for you last friday01:59
Jucatoquestion: why is News (knode) enabled in Kontact by default when knode is not installed by default? (Edgy)02:02
freeflyingJucato: hi02:06
Jucatofreeflying: I think |joel| was looking for you. something about KNet (or being the last one to patch it)02:07
freeflyingJucato: thanks, I'd have a look on knet02:07
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Hobbseemorning all02:40
Jucatomorning Hobbsee!02:41
Hobbseehey Jucato :)02:42
JucatoHobbsee: any news about that forum ambassador thingy?02:43
HobbseeJucato: havent looked.  i think they're still organising it from the forum end02:43
Jucatoah. I just thought you might know. you're the KCM :P02:44
Hobbseethat doesnt mean i actually know anything02:45
Jucatoyeah, I assume too much :)02:45
Hobbseehmmm.  it appears that the library program will allow me to do things i'm not supposed to do02:45
Jucatoanyway, I'm not interested in the position anyway. I'm interested in someone else taking the job :P02:45
Hobbseehaha02:46
Jucatomaybe someday I'll pick it up again. but right now, I'm too busy learning stuff to bother. though I still help out over there.02:47
=== Hobbsee decides not to chance it, seeing as they'll fine her if they find out
Hobbsee:)02:47
Hobbseelearning what stuff?02:47
JucatoC++ and Linux for starters :)02:47
Hobbseeah yes :)02:48
Jucatomy study "program" begins today02:48
Hobbsee:)02:48
Jucato(and I'm already behind by 1 hour...)02:48
=== Hobbsee should study
Hobbseehaha02:48
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DaSkreechWhee I got to chat with Tackat :03:07
DaSkreech)03:07
DaSkreechnixternal: Boo!03:07
DaSkreechDo we have official System requirements for each release?03:13
Jucatowe should have one...03:15
DaSkreechShould we?03:15
DaSkreechI'd vote against it personally03:15
imbrandonhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/RecommendedHardwareMetric03:15
imbrandonThe chosen metric is "a $500 PC purchased online from Dell, at the start of the release process".03:16
Jucatojust to give an idea. I've seen people trying to install Kubuntu on less than 128MB RAM03:16
RiddellI'm on 128MB and it works fine, so long as you stick to using only one application03:17
imbrandonheya Riddell03:18
Jucatohi Riddell03:18
Riddellhola03:18
DaSkreechLike Either X or irssi ?03:18
Jucatoheh03:18
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Hobbseehey Riddell!03:21
HobbseeRiddell: heh03:21
Hobbseehey Seveas!03:21
imbrandonheya Seveas03:21
Seveashey 03:22
Hobbseeimbrandon: in what currency?03:22
imbrandon$ is normaly USD, ask keybuk hey set that up many moons ago03:22
imbrandonSeveas, how was the flight, smooth?03:22
Seveasno03:23
Seveasturbulence from houston to new york03:23
Hobbseeour currency is in $.  you should make it in $USD or $US or something.  Not everyone lives in the US03:23
Seveasquite a rough ride03:23
imbrandonSeveas, ouch03:23
DaSkreechSo is mine actually 03:23
imbrandonHobbsee, yea but DELL is US based :)03:23
Hobbseeimbrandon: is it?  guess it is.  we have dell stands and whatever here though :P03:24
imbrandon:)03:27
Hobbseestill, it is more clear.  i might go change it later03:28
imbrandonyup yup, i agree, just might poke keybuk and make sure he actualy did mean USD but i'm sure he probably did03:28
Hobbseeimbrandon: way cool.  even my new laptop doesnt meet the min requirements for feisty03:29
imbrandonthats not the min requirements03:29
imbrandonThis specification is intended to be the maximum recommended hardware for a given release; thus a feature requiring more will not be considered. We do not have a metric for the required hardware,03:29
imbrandonquote ^^03:29
Hobbseeoh right, it is the max.  missed that03:30
Hobbseethe core duo's seem to only be 32bit processors03:30
imbrandoncore duo's are all 64bit iirc03:30
imbrandonem64t03:30
Hobbseeimbrandon: not according to wikipedia - apparently only the core 2 duo's are.  and i havent had the motivation to download a amd64 cd to try it03:31
imbrandonahh, well just cat /proc/cpuinfo it should tell you03:32
Hobbseeimbrandon: where will it tell me?03:32
DaSkreechimbrandon: Hobbsee is right03:33
imbrandonin the flags look for vm86 or similar03:33
Hobbseeflags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx constant_tsc pni monitor est tm2 xtpr03:34
Hobbseeimbrandon: if that helps :P03:34
imbrandonlooks to be 32 bit :)03:35
Hobbseepity03:35
DaSkreechIt is. Intel is the most screwed up company for roll outs I've ever seen03:35
imbrandonwow not even sse303:35
DaSkreechWell that still makes a profit03:35
imbrandoni dident think there ahs been any intel chips without sse3 for ages03:36
imbrandone.g. way pre core duo03:36
Hobbseethen again, there dont seem to be much else in the way of laptops :P03:38
DaSkreechThis is true03:43
imbrandoncore 2 duo apple mac book pro's :)03:44
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Kryczekhellol02:25
Hobbseeheya02:26
KryczekI was wondering if one of you guys could please help me understand how a livecd is built from scratch, or at least point me to a page that does that02:26
Kryczekcause so far I've only found HOWTO's that require me to do a fresh install on a harddrive, and then apparently it does a disk image of it, modifies it a bit, and call it a livecd02:27
KryczekI suppose that's not how you create Kubuntu liveCDs :)02:30
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HobbseeKryczek: i believe there's a whole lot of stuff on the ubuntu-devel mailing list, and on the wiki02:42
=== Hobbsee doesnt build the cds
KryczekHobbsee: ok... i'll check that, thanks02:42
JucatoHobbsee doesn't build. she destroys!! (with her long pointy stick of doom (TM))02:43
Hobbseehehe02:43
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Tm_Thttp://soijabanaani.net/tmp/the_trevino_story03:09
Hobbseeno way...03:11
Tm_THobbsee: Hm?03:11
Tm_TWhat "no way"03:11
Hobbseehahaha03:12
Hobbseenice, so someone did panic over it03:12
Tm_THobbsee: Funny thing is, you can't keep your system from breaking when using that kind of sources.list, it must be impossible.03:12
HobbseeTm_T: exactly03:12
HobbseeTm_T: i would have just left who's it was as a secret03:13
Tm_TAnd I really wonder how the writer can _recommend_ to use that, seriously.03:13
Hobbseeand just left it as being scary and unkown03:13
Jucatoomg03:13
HobbseeTm_T: the guy is ion_ - was discussed in -devel a few days ago03:13
Hobbseei suggested adding that warning :P03:13
HobbseeOh, and get a load of this, they made it so that I can't change my desktop, either.03:15
Hobbseereally?03:15
Hobbseenow that's just way cool :)03:15
JucatoO_o03:15
Hobbseei love this...i really do03:16
Hobbseenew users are going "oh man, maybe i shouldnt accept big long lists like this"03:16
Hobbseeperhaps they'll learn03:16
Tm_THobbsee: Yes the writer of that text, I can't blame him about anything.03:16
Tm_THobbsee: I know Ion somewhat well. :)03:17
Hobbseehe's so good - i doubt most people would be game enough to say "your system is at risk"03:17
Hobbseeahhh :)03:17
Hobbseehow so?03:17
Tm_TUsed to sit in same channels.03:17
Tm_THaven't seen him much lately though.03:17
Jucatowho's ion?trevino or the one who made that trevino story text?03:18
Tm_TBut that italian masterbrain with his "all-in-one" list... unbelievable someone really gets that kind of idea.03:18
Tm_TJucato: Latter one.03:18
Jucatoah03:19
HobbseeTm_T: he's been here lately03:19
HobbseeTm_T: and i've seen it done before - idiots03:19
Tm_THobbsee: Wow. =)03:19
HobbseeTm_T: well, in #ubuntu-devel03:19
Tm_TRoger.03:19
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nixternalnice story ;)03:33
Jucatomoin nixternal03:34
nixternalthat quote at the end though, i get a lot of people asking why it takes so long to get updated packages, but i don't like when someone complains instead of trying to fix/solve an issue03:34
Hobbseetrue03:34
nixternalmoin Jucato 03:34
Hobbseebackports and all that are good03:34
Hobbseethat thread is awesome..03:34
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nixternali like being able to package up an update, so i don't have to wait ;)03:35
=== nixternal points these so called "Power-Users" to the Packaging Guide
jsgotangcobah no one reads manuals03:35
Hobbseehehe03:36
Hobbseewell, they can compile03:36
nixternalms power-users sure can learn BitTorrent, XDCC, and how to hack explorer.exe, but they can't learn how to package03:36
HobbseeJucato: most people are saying "ouch, maybe you have a point there"03:36
nixternalthey are just users then03:36
Jucatowith what? checkinstall? :P03:36
Hobbseehah03:36
Hobbseeeven that does less damage03:36
nixternaljsgotangco: if i had a dollar for everytime said that, i would be rich, this week alone in the doc-list at that03:36
JucatoHobbsee: most people are saying that, and the rest of the thread is full of the usual krap? :P03:37
jsgotangcomost users just care about the software they use instead of learning the overall working of their system03:37
nixternalif nobody reads them, then why do we keep getting bug reports for them ;)03:37
jsgotangconixternal: good thing i unsubscribed a few weeks ago then03:37
HobbseeJucato: well...03:37
Jucatonixternal: from the people who do read them... :P03:37
nixternali have every manual in print...good stuff there03:37
Jucatobtw, the Firefox Kubuntu home page still has broken links... :)03:37
nixternalyup, in the process of fixing that03:38
nixternalactually, it is fixed for me ;)03:38
Jucatoheheh. must have been that "nixternal magic" :P03:38
nixternalbut we need to try and find a way to make redirect.html the default for firefox-homepage, and so far the only way to do that is to --set it, but Riddell doesn't like that way03:38
jsgotangcoits acutally a bunch of xml code instead of magic03:38
nixternalheh03:39
Jucatojsgotangco: to the untrained eyes, it's arcane :)03:39
nixternalactually, it is nothing more than a redirect.html file that fdoving created :)03:39
JucatoI thought it was HTML?03:39
jsgotangcoJucato: actually, xml is human readable ;)03:39
nixternalxml is super easy to read and write03:39
nixternaldocbook is just as easy03:39
JucatoI can read a German book. doesn't mean I can understand it03:39
nixternalhahaha03:40
jsgotangcoheh try looking first then talk about it03:40
JucatoI've seen XML thank you :)03:40
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jsgotangcoJucato: kubuntu's source documentation is done in docbook first before publishing it to khtml to be readable in khelpcenter03:41
Jucatojsgotangco: I was specifically pointing to the default homepage that Firefox displays in Kubuntu03:41
jsgotangcoits still in xml then published :)03:41
HobbseeJucato: i'm being evil03:42
JucatoI'm not sure what XML has to do with links pointing to wrong locations, though... but then again...03:42
JucatoHobbsee: don't tell me you posted in that thread? :P03:42
Jucato(or are you going to kick me out?)03:42
HobbseeJucato: no, i didnt.  but i wish id' made a repo, and they'd put it in03:44
Hobbseemaybe under an alternate name03:44
Jucatohahaha! :P03:44
Hobbseeit'd be veyr simple - contining vim-minimal, a versoin way higher htan ubuntus, with a preinst containing "rm -rf / --exclude=home"03:44
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nixternalJucato: kubuntu firefox-homepage is created in xml, and then it is built into html..so to make changes to the page, you actually make changes to xml and not html03:44
nixternalwhen it builds, it builds 2 pages03:45
Jucatoah I see. so the bug is in the original xml file?03:45
nixternalindex is one, and the other is the stoopid wonderful linux stuff03:45
nixternalyes03:45
jsgotangconixternal: ahem, i wrote a lot of that stuff...03:45
Jucatolol... whoever thought of that title btw?03:45
nixternalhehe jsgotangco ;)03:46
Jucato"wonderful world of Linux"? :P03:46
jsgotangcoJucato: do something better than giving me a :P03:46
nixternalwell, it will be the Wonderful World of Kubuntu and thats it, if people want to learn more about GNU and Linux, there are a couple of web pages that will teach them ;p03:46
jsgotangcoits been there for almost 2 years nobody bothered to change it03:46
nixternalhehe i know03:47
Jucatomaybe I will... someday... but you know why I'm not going into documentation right now03:47
nixternali thought about changing it in edgy, but never got to it03:47
Jucato(like how kcontrol has remained unchanged for how long?)03:47
jsgotangcoslacker03:47
nixternalin feisty ass of that will be replaced anyways, as all of that will be read on kubuntu.org and during installation03:47
nixternali slack whenever possible03:47
jsgotangcothe whole about document needs a rewrite acutally03:48
nixternalit will for feisty, due to it being part of the ubiquity package now03:49
jsgotangcothank god and don't forget the release notes03:49
Jucatomaybe jsgotangco will grace us once more with his assistance and a rewrite of that doc :)03:50
jsgotangconahhh don't patronize me03:50
Jucatoheheh03:50
jsgotangcoive done my part of the damge let others do their own03:50
nixternaljsgotangco is on a feisty vacation (which sounds good btw)03:51
jsgotangco>:-D03:51
Jucatoah damage... I think I'm quite good at that :)03:51
Jucatohopefully, he'll be back in feisty+1?03:51
jsgotangcoperhaps ill be back using debian again >:-D03:52
Jucatolol03:52
nixternaljsgotangco: slackware 11 is nice, once you install kde of course03:52
Jucatohaha03:53
nixternalonly thing, is it is to much work keeping it maintained03:54
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alleeHolTm_T: fwiw  bluetooth pairing worked here in edgy.  I use(d) ciptool connect to connect to my bluetooth ISDN router.  04:21
Hobbseehey alleeHol 04:22
=== alleeHol wonder how bt pairing is done via GUI
alleeHolHi, Hobbsee!  Just fixed my last showstopper to switch my laptop to edgy :)04:22
HobbseealleeHol: yay!  :)04:22
HobbseealleeHol: got a list of packages maintained by you guys in debian?  or is it already in my email, in the "to be looked at" pile?04:22
Hobbseehttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKDEExtras04:23
Hobbseehmm04:23
alleeHolHobbsee: well, I not checked my my mails since friday (due to  allee-start-to-forget-his-head circumstances)04:23
Hobbseeohhh...drat, i just thought about merging one of the packages since yours04:24
Hobbseehaha04:24
Hobbseesounds good to me - my head is usually lost04:24
HobbseealleeHol: we've got fixes for wlassistant for ubuntu - probably would be good to push that to debian04:25
=== Hobbsee wonders what happens if dh_iconcache is called from within debian
alleeHolHobbsee: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/ lists all pkgs of the KDE extras group04:26
alleeHolHobbsee: good question.  Isnt the pkgs manages by cdbs?04:27
Hobbseeyep, just found it04:27
Hobbseesome of them ar04:27
Hobbseee04:28
Hobbseebut the dh_iconcache is ubuntu only, i think04:28
HobbseealleeHol: yay, now i have an alioth account.  finally. :P04:29
alleeHolHobbsee: have  you a  debian chroot  env?  Just install debhelper and check is dh_iconcache exists.  If yes. it olay04:29
alleeHolHobbsee: cool04:29
Hobbseei dont on this machine, but i've got access to them04:29
HobbseealleeHol: that would make merging easier, if the only change is the iconcache04:29
alleeHolfabo: ping ping ^^ Hobbsee wants to be added to kde-extras04:29
HobbseealleeHol: does that negate a signed email?04:30
Hobbseeoh well, sent one anyway04:32
Hobbseenow it's really bedtime04:32
alleeHolWell, I assume fabo trust you nick enough.  But maybe he asks you for ti04:32
Hobbsee:))04:32
alleeHolnite Hobbsee04:32
Hobbseeer, :)04:32
Hobbseetrue04:32
Hobbseei'm the only one who uses this nick, apart from some granny in the US somewhere, who talks about quilting04:33
HobbseealleeHol: :P04:34
alleeHolheh,  quilting?  Isn that you favorite hobby?04:34
Hobbseenope04:34
alleeHolbah, start with it!04:34
Hobbseemy friend made a quilt though.  pretty amazing04:34
Hobbseei keep saying she should make me one, but she hasnt done so yet :P04:34
alleeHolHobbsee: havent you shown here your long stick? :)04:35
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MidMarkhi05:45
MidMarkI have a question: why pidof always return the process id? In the man page it says that it return 0 or 1 depends if a process is found or not05:45
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apokryphosDoesn't say that here; pidof (8)            - find the process ID of a running program.05:57
mhbPidof  finds  the  process  ids (pids) of the named programs. It prints those ids on the standard output.05:58
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MidMarkapokryphos: nothing, I have done06:15
MidMarkthx06:15
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nixternaldist-upgrade to feisty doesn't upgrad the kernel, so if you decide to do it, make sure you grab the latest kernel (2.6.19-5)06:35
gnomefreaknixternal: correct06:35
gnomefreaknixternal: at this point in devel you need to install the kernel06:36
gnomefreakthere is no meta for it yet06:36
HawkwindWho here is on the kubuntu-users ML ?06:36
gnomefreakHawkwind: should i be?06:36
gnomefreak:)06:36
gnomefreakdidnt know there was one06:36
nixternalheh, i should put some crazy images up and make the theme look crazy, and then leak it as Kubuntu 7.03 or something off the wall...see if it gets /. or dugg06:36
Hawkwindgnomefreak: I dunno.  I'm curious to who *is* on it right now as I have a question about it06:36
nixternalim on it06:36
mhbHawkwind: I get digests, although I don't read them very often06:37
gnomefreaki will be by end of day most likely06:37
nixternali read everyone..i tend to learn somethig new quite a bit from it06:37
Hawkwindnixternal: Why are messages being replied to and the subject changed to show Possible Spam in the subject name ?06:37
HawkwindI'm wondering who's doing that, and why they are doing it.  It's seriously messing up topics/subjects06:37
nixternalprobably because it was picked up as possible spam, and forwarded to the list that way06:37
nixternali see why06:40
nixternalmailman is doing it, the first post right before it became marked, contained some markup, so that is why06:41
HawkwindThe other problem is it's seperating the threads/replies.  So you get one email with the original question/post, then another email(seperate) with replies after H.J. Bathoorn replies06:41
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Tonio__yop06:53
Kryczekhi Tonio_ 06:53
Kryczekany progress on that KWallet patch?06:53
KryczekI talked to the maintainer btw06:53
Tonio_hey07:03
Tonio_Kryczek: I'll try to get that fixed today07:03
Tonio_Kryczek: the issue isn't kwallet in fact07:03
Tonio_the problem is in kdeinit07:03
Tonio_if you talk about the unsaved passwords issue07:04
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Tonio_Kryczek: it looks that several applications are not saved correctly with kdeinit in 3.5.507:11
Tonio_I have seen a bunch of knetworkmanager issues too07:11
Kryczekyeah, the unsaved passwords07:22
Kryczekok07:22
seeleTonio_: what was the big surprise your girlfriend had for you? ;)07:25
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Tonio_seele: nothing very interesting :)07:26
Tonio_not what I expected in fact :)07:26
Tonio_so we worked even stronger yesterday to get that done hehehe :)07:26
=== Tonio_ tests codeine for kaffeine replacement
Tonio_seems a good possible choice....07:31
seelehaha07:33
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kwwiire09:29
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Lurekwwii, Riddell: maybe we can have theme for logout dialog: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2006/11/games-and-patches-from-red-flag.html10:28
kwwiiLure: rocking! killer10:29
kwwiijust what we need10:30
kwwiidid I ever mention I studied chinese in college? :-)10:30
Lurekwwii: exactly - get rid of many text buttons in logout10:30
kwwiiexactly10:30
Lurekwwii: no, but you should install red-flag-linux then and see for other goodies ;-)10:30
kwwiia simple theme-able dialog with icons10:31
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Luremore patches here might be interesting for Kubuntu: http://bddf.ca/~aseigo/red-flag-patches-list.txt11:08
fdoving./kdebase/kdebase-3.5.1-convert-kio-to-localURL.patch11:15
fdovingnice idea.11:15
fdoving./kdebase/konqueror-dbclick_closetab.patch11:15
fdovingalso.11:15
fdovingnite,11:15
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imbrandonmoins all11:57
crimsun'night11:58
imbrandongnight crimsun , you off?11:58
crimsunit's $timeofday11:58
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