[02:15] <zul> hey
[02:18] <_ion> Hi
[02:21] <_ion> Here's a piece of text about the Trevio sources.list episode: http://soijabanaani.net/tmp/the_trevino_story
[02:29] <Spads> ogra, everone: see your mail for mdz's clarification that there *is* an organized event tonight at 8
[02:29] <Spads> er, 7
[02:31] <Spads> er, wrong channel
[02:36] <Keybuk> and that you need to bring your "special item"
[02:42] <BenC> Keybuk: what wireless access point are you using?
[02:42] <lifeless> canonical2
[02:42] <BenC> sucks, I can't see that one
[02:42] <Spads> where is it?
[02:43] <lifeless> calistoga
[02:43] <Mithrandir> slightly ironic I can see a Norwegian ISP's wlan from here.
[02:43] <lifeless> ?!!
[02:44] <Mithrandir> it's an ad-hoc
[02:44] <BenC> I can see "linksys" and "Pete's Cafe"
[02:44] <BenC> both work, but they're not "official" :)
[02:44] <lifeless> come down
[02:44] <keescook> BenC: yeah, you must be near me; I see the same.  :)
[02:45] <BenC> I think I'll keep leaching Pete's bw from my room :)
[02:45] <BenC> should broadcast some torrents on the subnet for ubuntu cd's
[02:55] <Burgundavia> hey jono: why are you still in MTV?
[02:55] <jono> hey
[02:55] <jono> I am at the Canonical allhands summit in San Francisco
[02:57] <mjg59> Hey people
[02:58] <mjg59> I've uploaded everything needed for compiz integration love
[02:58] <mjg59> Once desktop-effects hits the archive, if people could test that, compiz, compiz-gnome and the new gnome-session, that would be great
[03:00] <Keybuk> mjg59: could you make a wiki page explaining what we need to install/remove and config?
[03:01] <mjg59> Keybuk: Just posted to -devel
[03:01] <mjg59> I can cut and paste it
[03:01] <Keybuk> perfect
[03:01] <Keybuk> I'll NEW desktop-effects once it's built
[03:01] <mjg59> It's NEWed already, isn't it?
[03:01] <Keybuk> (waiting on ia64 and sparc)
[03:01] <Keybuk> source has been, not the binaries
[03:02] <mjg59> Oh, yeah, binaries need doing separately
[03:02] <mjg59> Thanks
[03:02] <mjg59> Keybuk: Can you remove the compiz-plugins source package?
[03:02] <Keybuk> sparc and ia64 ... bollocks to it, I'll new it now
[03:03] <Keybuk> compiz-plugins | 0.5-0ubuntu5 | edgy/universe | source, amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc
[03:03] <Keybuk> ?
[03:03] <mjg59> Yup
[03:03] <Keybuk> just the source or the binaries too?
[03:03] <mjg59> Binaries as well, I guess
[03:03] <mjg59> As long as that doesn't nuke the compiz-plugins binary that comes from compiz now
[03:04] <Keybuk> ah, this could be tricky
[03:04] <bluefoxicy> "Though Avahi is actually quite popular these days, we only had a single security sensitive bug. (And almost no other bugs.) The bug triggered an assert (i.e. it allowed a simple DoS attack) and could not be exploited in a way that code could be smuggled into the process."
[03:04] <mjg59> Heh
[03:04] <bluefoxicy>   -- http://avahi.org/wiki/SecurityConsiderations
[03:04] <Keybuk> mjg59: the compiz-plugins binaries are so much newer, that compiz might need another upload
[03:05] <Lathiat> bluefoxicy: hrm?
[03:05] <mjg59> "so much newer"?
[03:05] <Keybuk> 0.5 vs 0.0.38
[03:05] <Lathiat> bluefoxicy: yeh that should be updated
[03:05] <bluefoxicy> Back in the day, december 2005.. however, 2006 rolls around  :)  http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2006-2289  Oops.  I guess I'll prod the avahi devs to update their page.  :)
[03:05] <mjg59> Keybuk: 1:0.3.3
[03:05] <Lathiat> bluefoxicy: that bug only just came out last week :)
[03:05] <mjg59> Keybuk: 0.0.38 is ancient
[03:05] <Lathiat> err
[03:05] <Lathiat> hrm
[03:05] <Lathiat> that one
[03:06] <bluefoxicy> Lathiat: 5/10/2006 is last week?
[03:06] <Keybuk> hmm, the 1: is missing from madison
[03:06] <Keybuk> weird
[03:06] <Lathiat> bluefoxicy: sorry no we had one come out just this week too
[03:06] <Keybuk> Will remove the following packages from feisty:
[03:06] <Keybuk> compiz-plugins | 0.5-0ubuntu5 | source, ia64, sparc
[03:06] <Keybuk> -- 
[03:06] <mjg59> Keybuk: Looks good
[03:06] <Keybuk> I guess madison is confused about the world
[03:06] <mjg59> Oh, erm.
[03:06] <mjg59> Yeah, that looks less than good.
[03:06] <bluefoxicy> Lathiat:  hey i didn't see that one D:
[03:07] <mjg59> I'm just about to do another compiz upload anyway, but it'd be good if it didn't become uninstallable in the intervening time period :)
[03:07] <Keybuk> ah
[03:07] <Keybuk> I was looking at edgy
[03:07] <bluefoxicy> Lathiat:  I'm looking for a remotely exploitable in libavahi, if you see one send it my way ;)
[03:10] <Keybuk> mjg59: d-e new'd
[03:10] <mjg59> Keybuk: Thanks
[03:23] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: oh?
[03:26] <Keybuk> Hobbsee: need to sync from contrib and non-free too
[03:26] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[03:29] <minghua> d'oh
[03:31] <mjg59> Right. That upload ought to fix the fact that the window preferences applet didn't work.
[03:32] <Keybuk> heh
[03:32] <Keybuk> oops
[03:36] <Keybuk> ETRYHARDER
[03:42] <mjg59> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompizOnFeisty
[03:42] <_ion> Cool.
[03:43] <_ion> I wish the 9000 series drivers worked on my system. :-)
[03:43] <_ion> Both releases so far have (known) bugs that prevent me from using them.
[04:21] <robertj_> mjg59: are there any good tidings coming out of ATI?
[04:22] <robertj_> mjg59: perhaps now that NVidia has a supporting driver out there will be a certain amount of keeping up with the Joneses?
[04:28] <mjg59> robertj_: No idea, I'm afraid
[04:54] <thiagocmartinsc> opa
[04:55] <thiagocmartinsc> about install server on file /preseed/ubuntu-server.seed
[04:56] <thiagocmartinsc> I put extra packages on pool/extras, how to tell d-i to install my package?
[04:57] <thiagocmartinsc> d-i     pkgsel/install-pattern          string ~t^ubuntu-standard$|~n^my-package-asterisk$
[04:57] <thiagocmartinsc> ?
[04:57] <thiagocmartinsc> or: d-i      pkgsel/asterisk     string
[04:57] <thiagocmartinsc> ?
[10:09] <_ion> Hm, Javur has been freed.
[10:11] <_ion> http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/11/12/OSS-Java
[01:33] <Gloubiboulga> infinity: could you run the builds for exo and libxfcegui4 on powerpc? it seems that they failed because of a space problem
[01:37] <bluefoxicy> Java is now GPL
[01:37] <bluefoxicy> as of like, an hour ago
[01:37] <bluefoxicy> So sayith slashdot.  Take with salt.
[01:37] <jdub> there's no salt
[01:37] <gnomefreak> fully GPL?
[01:38] <jdub> GPLv2 with classpath exception (for most components)
[01:39] <gnomefreak> still cant leave multiverse than?
[01:39] <mjg59> ?
[01:39] <mjg59> Can be in main
[01:40] <gnomefreak> even with classpath exceptions? (dependsing what they are)
[01:40] <jdub> gnomefreak: go read what they are before assuming they're bad
[01:40] <jdub> http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/2006/duke-in-ur-codes.jpg
[01:40] <mjg59> gnomefreak: "exceptions" grant you extra permissions
[01:40] <gnomefreak> ah
[01:41] <mjg59> But nothing can happen yet - they've announced a commitment to releasing it, but the code isn't entirely availble yet
[01:46] <Simira> mjg59: aren't you in US?
[01:47] <Simira> mjg59: or, you were, maybe?
[01:47] <Simira> hm...
[01:48] <robertj_> bluefoxicy: official announcement coming at 9:30 PST supposedly
[01:49] <robertj_> I think we are likely to see a single product today, possible J2ME, with all the rest forthcoming by early next year, we will see
[02:00] <bluefoxicy> robertj:  To be honest I don't know what to think.
[02:01] <bluefoxicy> I would prefer native-compiled like with gcj/classpath, far more to having any more JIT cruft
[02:01] <Treenaks> as long as it's in time for feisty ;)
[02:01] <bluefoxicy> I don't want the idea of actually using the JVM to catch on :/
[02:01] <bluefoxicy> That being said, I hate GNU and their entire philosophy, and that's where GNU classpath comes from
[02:02] <bluefoxicy> (their philosophy boils down to, "Well we should all work together for the common good; and those that don't want to, well, we should force them to!")
[02:04] <bluefoxicy> Treenaks:  we don't need the JVM for feisty do we?  I certainly don't have anything that doesn't work on classpath; I guess you could add it to the Web browser but I don't want a Java plug-in by default (last I tried, Firefox crashed something like 80% of the time I hit a site with Java; screw that)
[02:06] <bluefoxicy> "In related news, apparently Project Looking Glass [sun.com] , the 3d desktop, is likely to be included in the Ubuntu Feisty [java.net]  release."
[02:06] <bluefoxicy> the hell is this
[02:07] <Treenaks> bluefoxicy: we might not _need_ it, it would still be nice :)
[02:07] <bluefoxicy> Treenaks:  perhaps, just not by default
[02:08] <bluefoxicy> Besides, I am already gearing up to try to swing an article past Corbet about the very real security concerns of using Mono.  I _really_ don't want to go through this again.
[02:15] <mjg59> Simira: Nope
[02:51] <zul> hi
[02:52] <Kryczek> hi :)
[02:52] <Kryczek> I'm looking for somebody involved in the making of the Ubuntu SecurityLiveCD
[02:52] <Kryczek> or anyone who knows about the Ubuntu livecd creation process
[02:53] <Kryczek> (cause I'd like to make my own livecd, and all I can find are HOWTOs telling me to do a fresh install of Linux on another disk partition and then a script creates an ISO image out of it)
[02:59] <_MMA_> Kryczek: Give Reconstructor a look.
[02:59] <_MMA_> http://reconstructor.aperantis.com/
[03:00] <Kryczek> just found the link on google then launchpad ;)
[03:01] <Kryczek> hmm... dunno if it will allow me to do the extensive modifications I want to do on the livecd
[03:02] <Kryczek> but that's the closest thing to what I was looking for
[03:02] <Kryczek> so thanks a lot _MMA_ :)
[03:02] <_MMA_> No problem.
[03:02] <_MMA_> Kryczek: What are you looking to do?
[03:04] <_MMA_> Theres also a terminal in Reconstructor where you can chroot and do advanced things.
[03:04] <zul>  /join #ubuntu-ke
[03:04] <zul> oops..
[03:05] <Kryczek> make a custom ISO9660 fs myself (with steganography), modify the bootloader so that it doesnt display any message and boots on the harddrive unless you enter a correct decryption key for the LiveCD, probably patch the kernel, etc :)
[03:05] <Kryczek> _MMA_: awesome, I think i'll need that
[03:21] <mjg59> Has anyone (other than me) tested the compiz stuff yet?
[03:22] <bhale> mjg59: something very recent?
[03:22] <bhale> i tested it in edgy
[03:22] <mjg59> bhale: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompizOnFeisty
[03:24] <bhale> cool, i cant try it at work (nvidia-legacy), though
[03:24] <mjg59> Ah, ok
[03:42] <jdub> mjg59: fisty packages usable on edgy?
[03:42] <Treenaks> jdub: "fisty"?
[03:42] <jdub> Treenaks: the next release of ubuntu ;-)
[03:42] <jdub> clearly
[03:42] <Treenaks> jdub: clearly
[03:43] <jsgotangco> i hope thats not a fetish slip?
[03:43] <jdub> mjg59: uh, wow, that's *actual compiz*
[03:45] <mjg59> jdub: Yes
[03:45] <mjg59> Should be the entire FC6 experience, except better because compiz uses Metacity themes now
[03:46] <Treenaks> and gconf instead of it's own crackful reinvention of it?
[03:46] <mjg59> compiz has always used gconf
[03:47] <jdub> Treenaks: you're thinking of cheap knockoffs :)
[03:48] <Treenaks> jdub: well.. I'm thinking of what I used, and was called 'compiz', a few months before edgy released :)
[03:48] <jdub> yeah
[03:48] <jdub> that was pre-beryl molested compiz
[03:49] <Treenaks> jdub: I think it was the compiz that eventually became beryl, actually
[03:49] <mjg59> Everything called "compiz" in Ubuntu has always shipped with gconf support
[03:49] <jdub> yes, molested compiz, pre-beryl :)
[03:49] <mjg59> This time I've merely fixed it so there are sensible defaults in the schemas :)
[03:50] <jdub> mjg59: rh have done great work on integration and theming stuff
[03:52] <mjg59> jdub: Yup, though it's a bitch to find the source to their desktop-effects applet
[03:52] <mjg59> I finally found it in the compiz SRPM
[03:52] <azeem> I thought they had an additional checkbox in their joint compiz/metacity preferenced?
[03:52] <azeem> preferences, even
[03:52] <azeem> "enable desktop effects"
[03:53] <mjg59> No
[03:53] <mjg59> There isn't a joint compiz/metacity preferences
[03:53] <mjg59> compiz ships its own plugin for window-manager-properties
[03:54] <azeem> ah, ok
[03:54] <mjg59> Then you also get a "desktop effects" applet, which has the enable button
[03:54] <azeem> is there a screenshot of that applet somewhere?
[03:55] <jdub> http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/
[03:55] <mjg59> http://lunapark6.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/FC06-DE-01-GUI-367-GUI.jpg
[03:56] <azeem> mjg59: thanks
[03:56] <azeem> cute
[03:57] <azeem> I still don't understand why this has to be an applet on its own, but probably an implementation detail?
[03:58] <azeem> jdub: they BSD'd their mascot today as well
[03:58] <jdub> azeem: interesting
[03:58] <azeem> https://duke.dev.java.net/
[03:58] <mjg59> azeem: window-manager-properties takes plugins on a per-wm basis
[03:59] <mjg59> azeem: So it would have to be implemented in each of them
[03:59] <sladen> James Gosling: "The time to open source Java is now [because we're already five years too late] "
[04:00] <mjg59> I bet he's pissed
[04:00] <mjg59> http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/bling.png
[04:00] <jsgotangco> hey look its sabdfl in a red tie
[04:00] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:01] <mjg59> Notice shadows plus hint of translucency
[04:02] <azeem> mjg59: what's that recycle-icon applet?
[04:02] <mjg59> azeem: Reboot required notification
[04:02] <mjg59> I've upgraded the kernel
[04:03] <azeem> ah, right
[04:03] <azeem> I thought it was some leet synchronisation stuff or so
[04:03] <jdub> bling ping
[04:03] <Kryczek> lol
[04:04] <mjg59> So if people would actually, y'know, TEST THE DAMNED PACKAGES or something, I could write up a main inclusion report
[04:04] <jdub> mjg59: i'll suck 'em down now
[04:04] <jdub> mjg59: current fisty?
[04:04] <mjg59> Yup
[04:06] <jdub> The following NEW packages will be installed: compiz compiz-core compiz-gnome compiz-plugins desktop-effects
[04:06] <jdub> The following packages will be upgraded: libc6 libc6-dev libc6-i686 libdbus-1-3 libdbus-1-dev
[04:06] <mjg59> Looks good
[04:06] <jdub> 
[04:06] <jdub> gar, damnit ;-)
[04:06] <mjg59> Make sure you have current gnome-session, too
[04:06] <jdub> fisty libc is ok?
[04:07] <mjg59> Seems to be
[04:07] <jdub> should i just ditch edgy already?
[04:07] <sladen> mjg59: if you turn up the bling any further it's going to reach pukability status
[04:09] <jdub> beryl is where patches go when they're not good enough for compiz
[04:09] <jdub> thus the fork
[04:10] <sladen> ah so beryl actually has /more/ bling.  But of a lower quality?
[04:10] <jdub> more crazy shit, less attention to detail, less integration
[04:10] <jdub> also, there are some crazy smart people working on compiz, and i tend to feel their POV carries some weight
[04:15] <azeem> also, beryl ditched gconf in favour of something "simpler"
[04:19] <jdub> mjg59: gtk-window-decorator is segfaulting
[04:23] <jdub> mjg59: hrm, might try installing metacity
[04:23] <Spads> http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/2006/duke-in-ur-codes.jpg
[04:23] <Spads> jdub: you fiend
[04:24] <jdub> Spads: here for you!
[04:29] <Spads> http://www.forgetfoo.com/images/blog/blogmonks.gif <-- jdub 
[04:51] <mjg59> jdub: Ah, yes - it might well need the current libmetacity...
[04:52] <jdub> mjg59: i added bits to your page
[04:52] <mjg59> jdub: Got it working?
[04:52] <jdub> yeah
[04:53] <jdub> bit rocky, but that's compiz for the moment ;)
[04:53] <jdub> mjg59: i'm on i900
[04:53] <mjg59> Works reasonably here on 855
[05:39] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:47] <pygi> hey bddebian 
[05:47] <bddebian> Heya pygi
[06:37] <gnomefreak> whats the chances of getting a theme with a sticky button?
[07:05] <Tonio_> hi all :)
[09:19] <shwag> where do I go to discuss a bug on ubuntu.com ?
[09:19] <Burgwork> shwag: on  the website itself?
[09:19] <shwag> yah
[09:19] <Burgwork> which page?
[09:20] <shwag> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn   need to be RSS.
[09:20] <Burgwork> right
[09:20] <Burgwork> file a bug against the ubuntu-website product
[09:20] <shwag> okay
[09:20] <shwag> thanks
[09:20] <Burgwork> mark is a wishlist
[09:20] <shwag> yah
[09:20] <mjg59> Burgwork: Mark is a wishlist?
[09:21] <Simira> tihi
[09:21] <Burgwork> as a, rather
[09:27] <shwag> https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website/+bug/71685
[09:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71685 in ubuntu-website "Ubuntu Security Notice page needs RSS feed." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[09:51] <pitti> slomo: can you please check in your hal changes into the bzr tree?
[09:56] <infinity> Gloubiboulga: Done, thanks.
[10:30] <bluefoxicy> what the hell
[10:30] <Slant_Laptop> Where should I post to have a package diff sponsored?
[10:31] <LaserJock> Slant_Laptop: is the package in Main or Universe?
[10:32] <bluefoxicy> warning:  Linkspam coming up 
[10:32] <bluefoxicy> http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/20955 http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/17587 http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/17955 http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/19615 http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/14785 http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/18101 http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16320
[10:32] <bluefoxicy> in the past TWO HOURS
[10:32] <Slant_Laptop> LaserJock: Universe.
[10:33] <LaserJock> Slant_Laptop: if there is a bug attache the diff to the bug report and subscribe the ubuntu-universe-sponsors Launchpad team
[10:34] <bluefoxicy> what, one of those is old as crap, why did it just show up in my mailbox
[10:34] <pygi> bluefoxicy, 6.10 not vulnarble?
[10:35] <Slant_Laptop> LaserJock: Thanks.
[10:36] <bluefoxicy> pygi:  I don't know.  I just saw a jillion kernel vulns in my inbox and was like "huh?"
[10:36] <bluefoxicy> knee-jerk reaction, it's not like I read them all
[10:36] <pygi> vulnerable*
[10:38] <bluefoxicy> pygi:  they all look like updates to old issues, what the heck did they update?
[10:39] <pygi> bluefoxicy, hm? :P
[10:40] <bluefoxicy> pygi:  http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/14785 for example, published Sep 09 2005 12:00AM and updated Nov 13 2006 08:16PM
[10:40] <pygi> right, weird
[10:40] <pygi> perhaps added some new distros affected?
[10:44] <bluefoxicy> pygi:  Maybe i should just watch the NVD
[10:44] <bluefoxicy> but that takes longer 8)
[10:44] <bluefoxicy> I really wish securityfocus had a vuln-only feed though
[10:45] <bluefoxicy> their vuln feed is a direct feed of the bugtraq mailing list
[10:52] <bluefoxicy> it would be awesome if I could get a rockbox module to do text to speech
[10:53] <bluefoxicy> and a module to parse lists of CVEs.....
[10:53] <bluefoxicy> >:)
[10:57] <heno> bluefoxicy: to have track titles read out?
[10:59] <heno> bluefoxicy: this is fairly lightweight: http://espeak.sourceforge.net/
[10:59] <heno> but I'm not sure it will run on an iPod :)
[10:59] <bluefoxicy> heno:  I was more thinking to have daily CVE lists sorted by vendor, product, vulnerability type, severity, etc; and then played back on my Ipod
[11:00] <heno> bluefoxicy: would you not just do the TTS on the PC and download the wav's (mp3s) to the iPod?
[11:00] <bluefoxicy> heno:  why?  That would be a lot more data
[11:01] <heno> true, just not sure if the iPod has enough brain power or memory for TTS
[11:01] <heno> bluefoxicy: it would be very cool though, because it would help blind people use ipods
[11:01] <heno> with free software on it :)
[11:02] <heno> killer app!
[11:02] <bluefoxicy>        -s <integer>
[11:02] <bluefoxicy>               peed in words per minute, default is 160
[11:02] <bluefoxicy> someone peed in my source code :(
[11:06] <bluefoxicy> haha
[11:06] <bluefoxicy> it sounds like a scott woman talking like a scott man
[11:06] <heno> :)
[11:06] <bluefoxicy> of course i have it cursing a lot
[11:07] <heno> naturally
[11:07] <sladen> aye,killybenow,for ye canna tell what th' fucking seeing 
[11:08] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  more like $ echo "Fucking Vuln in Linux kernel 2.6.17.9 because RedHat put fucking broken code in."  | espeak --stdin -v en/en-n -s 120 -p 60
[11:08] <bluefoxicy> I am seriously considering grepping the kernel and piping the output to this
[11:09] <bluefoxicy> oh god
[11:09] <bluefoxicy> filters
[11:09] <bluefoxicy> FILTERS
[11:10] <bluefoxicy> heno:  you know I'm not going to get any work done tonight, right?
[11:12] <TheMuso> Rockbox with espeak would be a good idea IMO.
[11:15] <heno> TheMuso: and if it can be made to run on the iPod it will surely work on the OLPC too
[11:15] <heno> but it probably needs direct app integration in both cases
[11:15] <bluefoxicy> that reminds me
[11:15] <sladen> espeak seems to have been rather a good discovery
[11:15] <bluefoxicy> I need to get readahead working on the olpc
[11:16] <heno> ie. no AT framework or screen reader
[11:16] <bluefoxicy> I have been like.. playing final fantasy
[11:16] <bluefoxicy> for a month
[11:16] <sladen> good thing about the ipod way of working is that you can scroll the menus without actually clicking on anything
[11:16] <sladen> so you can scroll to a point, listen for the menu item, select, scroll some more, listen, click
[11:17] <sladen> how the espeak and main audio would work together I don't know
[11:17] <TheMuso> heno: Rockbox does work on the newer ipods
[11:17] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  and you can prefix the sound with tones
[11:17] <bluefoxicy> short tones
[11:17] <TheMuso> afaik
[11:17] <bluefoxicy> eventually you'd learn to recognize those tones and not wait for the speech :P
[11:18] <heno> sladen: we'd need to port pulseaudio to rockbox too :)
[11:19] <sladen> bluefoxicy: dude, OLPC is flash---readahead really isn't going to help much in the final product
[11:19] <heno> TheMuso: rockbox yes, but rockbox+espeak?
[11:19] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  probably.
[11:19] <heno> not proven yet at least
[11:19] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  the last time we had this conversation I walked jg around in circles about whether flash is faster than ram or not
[11:20] <bluefoxicy> rockbox doesn't have linux
[11:20] <bluefoxicy> I should update my version
[11:23] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  the final product is going to have really, really fast flash, like 26M/s; but RAM is still faster.  I'm going to alter it to do readahead in the background and in the order the bootprocess follows rather than sequentially on disk.  At the very least it'll help with the dev boards' 3M/s chip
[12:02] <imbrandon> moins all
[12:02] <Keybuk> heyhey
[12:02] <imbrandon> heya Keybuk 
[12:02] <Keybuk> all settled back home now?
[12:04] <imbrandon> yup yup
[12:04] <imbrandon> even been working on a few merges
[12:04] <imbrandon> finaly back on my regular sleep schedule now :)
[12:05] <Keybuk> heh
[12:05] <imbrandon> hows SF ? weather chan said it was gonna be coler there this week.
[12:05] <Keybuk> we're still at the grindstone
[12:05] <imbrandon> yea
[12:05] <imbrandon> s/coler/colder
[12:05] <Keybuk> yeah, seems to be raining today
[12:05] <Burgwork> Keybuk: what much are you discussing this week?
[12:06] <Keybuk> Burgwork: it's a company all hands event, not a distro event
[12:06] <Burgwork> ah
[12:06] <Keybuk> Burgwork: so the only thing distro-related will be the canonical team structure, etc.
[12:06] <Keybuk> anything related to the real distro was discussed last week
[12:08] <imbrandon> Keybuk, is the -changes list still moded for a reason ?
[12:08] <imbrandon> or just hasent been turned off yet
[12:08] <Keybuk> moded?
[12:09] <crimsun> (moderated, I presume?)
[12:09] <imbrandon> yes
[12:09] <Keybuk> it's always been
[12:09] <Keybuk> you can't post to the changes list
[12:09] <Keybuk> only Soyuz can
[12:09] <imbrandon> no , my uploaded were accepted yesterday and i got the accepted mail, but none on the -changes
[12:09] <crimsun> imbrandon: are you referring to your uploads not being announced on feisty-changes?
[12:09] <imbrandon> yes
[12:09] <crimsun> right, I'm experiencing that, too
[12:10] <Keybuk> oh, that's interesting