| mbiebl | Keybuk: do you know, in what version of glibc, the WEXITED flag for waitid was introduced? | 12:36 |
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| mbiebl | Tried to build upstart on sarge, and it failed miserably, because of that ;-) | 12:36 |
| Keybuk | mbiebl: oh, almost certainly very recently | 12:36 |
| Keybuk | waitid itself was only introduced in 2.6.9 | 12:37 |
| Keybuk | (and is broken on compat arches in all kernel releases until the next one <g>) | 12:37 |
| mbiebl | until next one means 2.6.19? | 12:38 |
| Keybuk | 2.6.20 maybe | 12:38 |
| mbiebl | oh | 12:38 |
| Keybuk | (upstart works around it though | 12:38 |
| yankees26 | how? | 12:39 |
| Keybuk | how works around, or how broken? | 12:39 |
| yankees26 | how it works around it? | 12:39 |
| Keybuk | it clears the siginfo_t structure before passing it to waitid | 12:39 |
| Keybuk | the bug is that compat_sys_waitid() in the kernel doesn't copy zero values | 12:39 |
| yankees26 | ah, so shouldn't it build for mbiebl in that case? | 12:39 |
| Keybuk | yes | 12:40 |
| Keybuk | dunno what the WEXITED thing might be, just looking that up atm | 12:40 |
| yankees26 | ah | 12:40 |
| Keybuk | it's entirely possible that it's simply missing on really old libc | 12:40 |
| Keybuk | seeing as the syscall itself is recent | 12:40 |
| yankees26 | mbiebl: what version of glibc do you have? | 12:41 |
| Keybuk | sarge doesn't have 2.6 as default, no? | 12:42 |
| Keybuk | and only has 2.6.8 as an option | 12:43 |
| Keybuk | so upstart won't work with that | 12:43 |
| yankees26 | ah well im in luck 'cause i dont use debian | 12:43 |
| yankees26 | of course i first have to get through the majority of LFS :P | 12:44 |
| mbiebl | yankees26: sarge has 2.3.2, current unstable (which I run) 2.3.6 | 12:44 |
| yankees26 | ah | 12:45 |
| yankees26 | well by the time i get to LFS glibc 2.5 will probably be out of testing in arch (currently on 2.4) so | 12:45 |
| yankees26 | hopefully i wont run into your problem | 12:45 |
| Keybuk | upstart fully supports glibc 2.4 | 12:47 |
| Keybuk | glibc2.4 and kernel 2.6.17 were the recommended targets | 12:47 |
| yankees26 | i run both of those :D | 12:47 |
| mbiebl | Well, it never hurts to support a broader audience | 12:48 |
| Keybuk | mbiebl: actually, it hurts a little bit | 12:48 |
| mbiebl | Sure, for developing. | 12:49 |
| mbiebl | But I rather meant acceptance. | 12:49 |
| mbiebl | Keybuk: you said you work around the waitid issue, does that mean upstart works on a 2.4 kernel? | 12:50 |
| Keybuk | no | 12:50 |
| Keybuk | upstart only works around the mis-behaviour of compat_sys_waitid | 12:50 |
| Keybuk | while I sit on Kyle's lap until he fixes it | 12:50 |
| Keybuk | it doesn't have any alternative for waitid if that syscall doesn't exist | 12:51 |
| yankees26 | Kyle is? | 12:51 |
| _ion | keybuk: Are new conclusions related to upstart that were reached at uds-mtv documented somewhere? | 12:52 |
| mbiebl | Keybuk: what exact feature of waitid do you need, which couldn't be implemented otherwise? | 12:52 |
| Keybuk | mbiebl: the fact it can obtain information about a dead process without actually reaping it | 12:52 |
| Keybuk | so we can find out things like it's binary name, cpu time, etc. | 12:52 |
| mbiebl | ah, ok | 12:53 |
| Keybuk | _ion: not yet, got to finish writing them up | 12:53 |
| Keybuk | mbiebl: that will be necessary for supporting supervision of processes that fork | 12:53 |
| yankees26 | does uds-mtv stand for ubuntu developer summit mountain view? | 12:53 |
| Keybuk | yankees26: yes | 12:53 |
| yankees26 | ok, just making sure (im not intune with ubuntu development stuff) | 12:53 |
| mbiebl | Keybuk: maybe these requirements should be documented somewhere. | 12:54 |
| Keybuk | mbiebl: they'll be in the README | 12:55 |
| mbiebl | good | 12:56 |
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| yankees26 | hey guys (slightly off-topic): to have a project and bazaar in launchpad, does the project need to be affiliated with Ubuntu? | 01:08 |
| Keybuk | yankees26: nope | 01:14 |
| Keybuk | free hosting for all | 01:14 |
| yankees26 | ok | 01:14 |
| yankees26 | crimsun on #launchpad beat you to it ;) (thought you all had died here so asked there :P) | 01:15 |
| yankees26 | thanks though | 01:15 |
| yankees26 | i have added my project :D | 01:16 |
| yankees26 | (now to setup bazaar) | 01:16 |
| Keybuk | I did die | 01:17 |
| Keybuk | updated to latest feisty | 01:17 |
| Keybuk | and rebooted | 01:17 |
| yankees26 | hehe | 01:17 |
| yankees26 | how is it? | 01:17 |
| Keybuk | unstable and buggy :p | 01:17 |
| yankees26 | sounds like fun :D | 01:17 |
| yankees26 | ugh, ~/.ssh/ has no id_dsa.pub or id_rsa.pub!?!?! | 01:23 |
| yankees26 | ah, had to create one | 01:25 |
| yankees26 | could someone with gpg experience help me? | 01:32 |
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| _ion | PGP and SSH keys are a different thing. See ssh-keygen(1), ssh-add(1) and apt-cache show keychain | 01:34 |
| yankees26 | i figured out the ssh key | 01:34 |
| yankees26 | for gpg i did gpg --gen-key and that finished | 01:34 |
| yankees26 | but im not sure what "number" is the actual key for gpg --send-key | 01:35 |
| _ion | There are quite good GnuPG tutorials in the web. | 01:35 |
| yankees26 | ok | 01:35 |
| yankees26 | TO THE INTERNET! | 01:35 |
| _ion | To the tubes | 01:36 |
| yankees26 | that too P | 01:36 |
| yankees26 | is it the thing after pub from gpg --list-keys? | 01:37 |
| _ion | It's the 2EE24E0B in 'pub 1024D/2EE24E0B 2005-07-03' | 01:38 |
| yankees26 | ah | 01:38 |
| yankees26 | thanks _ion | 01:38 |
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| myren | is there a runtime daemon? | 03:27 |
| myren | what is it coded in? | 03:27 |
| myren | how portable is it? | 03:27 |
| myren | it uses dbus, right? what dbus api does it make use of (low level or glibc) | 03:28 |
| Keybuk | runtime daemon? | 03:28 |
| Keybuk | upstart is an init replacement, so it does have a /sbin/init, yes | 03:28 |
| Keybuk | it's written in C | 03:28 |
| Keybuk | not portable at all; aimed squarely at current Linux and glibc | 03:28 |
| Keybuk | the currently released version does not use dbus, there's a branch which uses low level api | 03:28 |
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| myren | i meant portable between architectures | 03:36 |
| myren | there's a lot more variants of linux than ubuntu alone supports | 03:36 |
| myren | ooh, glad there is dbus integration, thats swell. | 03:36 |
| Keybuk | it compiles on most, yeah | 03:36 |
| Keybuk | there's an open bug about hppa which is committed in the bzr tree | 03:36 |
| myren | the daemon keeps running right? | 03:36 |
| myren | beyond just startup | 03:36 |
| Keybuk | yes | 03:36 |
| Keybuk | it's pid 1 | 03:36 |
| myren | hppa? hp power risc? | 03:37 |
| myren | just a guess | 03:37 |
| Keybuk | yeah | 03:40 |
| myren | i know he's gone, but, thanks mate | 03:41 |
| Amaranth | if the daemon stopped running your computer would break :P | 04:00 |
| myren | duly noted Amon | 04:40 |
| myren | err, Amaranth | 04:40 |
| myren | as in, Seveasoft? | 05:38 |
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