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| count | Anybody around? | 12:39 |
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| pygi | sure | 12:40 |
| count | hi! | 12:41 |
| pygi | hey :) | 12:41 |
| count | I work for a school district in Virginia, US, and we're looking at possibly donating a large # (thousands) of older desktop PC's to our more needy students | 12:42 |
| count | we're an inner-city/urban district, with about 80% of our kids getting free lunch | 12:42 |
| count | Currently the PC's all have Win95 or Win98 on them | 12:42 |
| count | I'm pushing to distribute edubuntu | 12:42 |
| count | almost none of them can handle XP, and 95/98 are old and unsupported anymore | 12:43 |
| Burgwork | well, you are going to want to go with Xubuntu | 12:43 |
| pygi | indeed | 12:43 |
| Burgwork | I would create a custom kickstart script that installed Xubuntu plus the educational apps | 12:43 |
| count | That's exactly what I was going to ask ;) | 12:43 |
| count | Kickstart is the preferred method of mass deploying ubuntu? | 12:44 |
| Burgwork | it is the sanest, yes | 12:44 |
| count | virtually all of these boxes have NICs, so that's not a problem | 12:44 |
| Burgwork | the Ubuntu kickstart is not exactly like the RH one | 12:44 |
| count | I assume there's wiki docs on ubuntu kickstart? | 12:44 |
| Burgwork | yes, somewhere | 12:44 |
| count | haha | 12:44 |
| count | a couple of concerns that were voiced were printer support and dialup internet support | 12:46 |
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| Burgwork | printers are not a major issue | 12:46 |
| count | (although I'm trying to get the local cable co to donate reduced cost low-speed cable modems) | 12:46 |
| count | ok | 12:46 |
| count | I've got tons of linux server experience | 12:46 |
| count | but almost zilch on desktops | 12:46 |
| Burgwork | dialup is a beast | 12:46 |
| Burgwork | there are a few tools that Ubuntu doesn't ship by default to handle them | 12:46 |
| Burgwork | winmodems are a headache | 12:47 |
| count | hrm | 12:47 |
| count | Is there a compat. list of non-headache inducing stuff? | 12:47 |
| count | we can just distribute that and say 'buy one of these if you want one' | 12:47 |
| Burgwork | not really | 12:47 |
| count | there are no modems currently in any of the machines | 12:47 |
| count | haha | 12:47 |
| count | any external modem should work without issue right? | 12:48 |
| Burgwork | I would try and get some cable modem stuff | 12:48 |
| count | or is that no longer true | 12:48 |
| count | Yeah, I'm defnitely pushing that hard | 12:48 |
| Burgwork | ie: avoid dialup | 12:48 |
| count | how about DSL/PPPoE support? | 12:48 |
| count | is that part of netmanager? | 12:48 |
| Burgwork | pppoe can do that | 12:48 |
| Burgwork | not yet part of Network Manager | 12:49 |
| Burgwork | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KickstartCompatibility | 12:49 |
| Burgwork | I would have the systems auto update themselves | 12:50 |
| count | did much change with the edgy release? | 12:50 |
| Burgwork | no idea, sorry | 12:50 |
| Burgwork | I looked for newer manuals | 12:50 |
| count | I'll assume not :) | 12:50 |
| count | if so, I can update those docs as I figure out | 12:50 |
| count | Yeah, auto update is a definite | 12:51 |
| Burgwork | asking our lead dev right now | 12:51 |
| Burgwork | I would also get the kids involved | 12:51 |
| Burgwork | cheap labour | 12:51 |
| Burgwork | plus the amazing learning experience | 12:51 |
| count | I'm not certain how feasible that would be at this scale | 12:51 |
| count | although that's a good idea | 12:51 |
| Burgwork | with thousands, you are going to drown otherwise | 12:51 |
| count | we mgith do some 'family computer install nights' or something | 12:51 |
| Burgwork | where are the computers coming from | 12:52 |
| Burgwork | ? | 12:52 |
| count | the schools | 12:52 |
| count | we're upgrading | 12:52 |
| count | but the hardware still WORKS, it's just doesnt' meet our state requirements for 'viable' PCs | 12:52 |
| Burgwork | ah | 12:52 |
| count | has to have X ram, X cpu to run the state standardized testing applications | 12:52 |
| count | basically, XP capable PC's | 12:52 |
| count | of which, these arent :) | 12:52 |
| Burgwork | indeed | 12:52 |
| count | most only have 128MB of ram | 12:52 |
| count | although we might combine some so we can ship out 256MB of ram on some systems | 12:53 |
| count | I'm still loking at the logistics/numbers | 12:53 |
| Burgwork | you are going to have a bunch of dead hardware | 12:53 |
| count | yeah | 12:53 |
| count | well, we have that anyways | 12:53 |
| Burgwork | so you can cannabilize as needed | 12:53 |
| count | That's what Iw as thinking | 12:53 |
| Burgwork | machines need to be cleaned, tested and have their harddrives wiped | 12:54 |
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| Burgwork | that is all stuff kids can do | 12:54 |
| Burgwork | by kids, I mean teenagers | 12:54 |
| count | Teenagers, or parents | 12:54 |
| Burgwork | both, actually | 12:54 |
| count | I bet I could get a decent draw for both, as a community outreach type thing | 12:55 |
| Burgwork | your going to need space, lots of it | 12:55 |
| count | I have 5 highschools :) | 12:55 |
| count | cafeterias seat hundreds at a time | 12:55 |
| count | the only problem is power and network cabling | 12:55 |
| count | heh | 12:55 |
| Burgwork | yes | 12:55 |
| count | but again, I can make that happen | 12:55 |
| Burgwork | a project of this size is likely to take some time | 12:55 |
| count | especially if we simply do a series of family nights | 12:55 |
| Burgwork | maybe months | 12:55 |
| count | do 50 or so a weekend for a few months | 12:56 |
| Burgwork | if you have a permanent space, you can do things at night, plus don't have to waste time setting up and tearing down | 12:56 |
| Burgwork | you will need to rent an air compressor | 12:56 |
| Burgwork | or find one | 12:56 |
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| count | hahaha | 12:56 |
| Burgwork | have you talked to your local LUG or computer users group about space and volunteers? | 12:58 |
| count | not yet | 12:58 |
| Burgwork | they are good resources | 12:58 |
| count | I still have some more footwork to do within the district | 12:58 |
| count | Yeah, I know | 12:58 |
| Burgwork | also get the highschool CS teachers on board | 12:58 |
| count | that's who I was originally planning on using for installs | 12:58 |
| count | but the more I think about it | 12:58 |
| count | the more I like the family outreach thing | 12:58 |
| count | for a bunch of reasons | 12:58 |
| Burgwork | they have the skills to handle students/kids and have the interest | 12:58 |
| count | Done this before? | 12:59 |
| Burgwork | planned bits and pieces, dealt with kids | 12:59 |
| Burgwork | nothing as large a scale as you propose | 12:59 |
| count | ah | 12:59 |
| count | ok | 01:01 |
| count | I've got a bit to work with now | 01:01 |
| count | thanks for the ideas :) | 01:01 |
| count | time for dinner! | 01:02 |
| Burgwork | keep in touch | 01:02 |
| count | will do! | 01:02 |
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| Burgwork | hey Amaranth_ | 01:03 |
| Burgwork | enjoy MTV? | 01:03 |
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| flowrobot | hi - is the edubuntu install cd (not the live one) the same as the ubuntu alternate cd? i need an install disc that doesn't use much RAM, like the ubuntu alternate cd ... | 04:33 |
| bimberi | flowrobot: yes, it has a text mode installer like the ubuntu alternate | 04:34 |
| flowrobot | bimberi: thanks! | 04:34 |
| bimberi | flowrobot: yw :) | 04:34 |
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| LaserJock | morning RichEd and jbrefort | 07:14 |
| jbrefort | hi LaserJock | 07:14 |
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| jmg | hi | 10:16 |
| pygi | hey jack_wyt | 10:17 |
| pygi | jmg even :P | 10:17 |
| jmg | has anyone experience installing an edubuntu-server via debootstrap? | 10:17 |
| jmg | hi pygi | 10:17 |
| jack_wyt | hi pygi | 10:17 |
| jmg | i am trying to install an edubuntu-server as a xen-domain therefore I cannot use the installer from the cd | 10:18 |
| jmg | do you guys have any idea what the installer is doing despite installing the packages? | 10:19 |
| pygi | jmg, haven't installed edu on xen, never | 10:19 |
| pygi | jmg, grub, setting up ltsp, bla bla/ | 10:19 |
| pygi | ? | 10:19 |
| jmg | xen itself is not the problem, | 10:19 |
| jmg | setting up ltsp? | 10:19 |
| jmg | what is there to do? | 10:19 |
| pygi | well, build client chroot, ta ta da etc? | 10:20 |
| jmg | how can i trigger the build of the chroot by hand | 10:21 |
| jmg | ? | 10:21 |
| jmg | pygi, thanks for your help so far | 10:22 |
| pygi | jmg, sudo ltsp-build-client? | 10:23 |
| pygi | then you need to reload the ssh keys for ltsp | 10:23 |
| jmg | perhaps, i was unsure what the differences between standard ltsp and edubuntu are | 10:24 |
| jmg | i will try that | 10:24 |
| pygi | oki ^_^ | 10:25 |
| jmg | thanks a lot | 10:25 |
| pygi | you are welcome :) | 10:25 |
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| cbx33 | grrr... | 12:58 |
| cbx33 | anyone know about jabber? | 12:58 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | mines working :) (or was before) | 12:59 |
| cbx33 | Kamping_Kaiser: is that jabber? | 12:59 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | cbx33, yes. but i can test now (its off atm) | 01:00 |
| cbx33 | I have a problem with the crypt libs I think | 01:00 |
| cbx33 | exec: 1: crypto_drv: not found | 01:00 |
| cbx33 | anyone heard of it | 01:00 |
| cbx33 | one ubuntu box is fine, the other doesn't work :( | 01:01 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | :( i'mi not connected via cryp to any networks, so i cant help on taht | 01:01 |
| cbx33 | ok | 01:01 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 03:45 |
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| sbalneav | Morning all | 04:07 |
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| stgraber | hi | 06:24 |
| cbx33 | hey stgraber | 06:24 |
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| cbx33 | coool | 06:31 |
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| LaserJock | RichEd | sbalneav: ping | 06:42 |
| pygi | hello everyone | 06:43 |
| stgraber | hi | 06:43 |
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| sbalneav | LaserJock: Pong | 07:03 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: I need to you check over my spec in just one sec | 07:03 |
| sbalneav | Sure. | 07:03 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDynamicMenus | 07:04 |
| sbalneav | Got it. I'm just doing a database dump at the moment, gimme about 15 minutes. | 07:04 |
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| pygi | hey ogra and HedgeMage ^_^ | 09:01 |
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| sbalneav | LaserJock: Looks cool | 09:09 |
| pygi | sbalneav, I know I'm gonna bother again, but do you by any chance have access to Rainbow books? :P | 09:10 |
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| sbalneav | Rainbow books? | 09:10 |
| sbalneav | Is it a book chain? | 09:10 |
| pygi | sbalneav, collection of books with standards related to optical medias | 09:10 |
| sbalneav | No, I don't. Can these things be ordered at Amazon? | 09:11 |
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| pygi | sbalneav, sadly not, and they cost quite a lot | 09:11 |
| pygi | Those books are way too important for me :'( | 09:11 |
| sbalneav | Got a link to where they CAN be purchased? | 09:12 |
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| sbalneav | You know, maybe you can apply to LinuxFund.org for funding to buy a copy of the books. | 09:12 |
| pygi | sbalneav, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Books | 09:13 |
| pygi | I doubt anybody would fund me | 09:13 |
| pygi | those books would help with development so much | 09:16 |
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| sbalneav | Why wouldn't someone fund you? Heck, maybe canonical would do it. | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: I'm going to mark it for review | 09:19 |
| sbalneav | How much we talking here? $2000? | 09:19 |
| sbalneav | LaserJock: Mark away, big daddy-o | 09:19 |
| pygi | sbalneav, we're talking one book 5k$ if I'm not mistaken | 09:19 |
| pygi | sbalneav, but I have to look into it | 09:19 |
| sbalneav | pygi: Why don't you actually get some prices, and when you do, talk to me. You're doing something important to the community, so perhaps the community should pony up a little cash to help you out. Like I say, if it's not too expensive, Canonical may be willing to do it. | 09:22 |
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| pygi | sbalneav, sorry, network problems | 09:30 |
| sbalneav | pygi: Why don't you actually get some prices, and when you do, talk to me. You're doing something important to the community, so perhaps the community should pony up a little cash to help you out. Like I say, if it's not too expensive, Canonical may be willing to do it. | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | 5k for 1 book? and I thought chemistry textbooks were expensive ;-) | 09:32 |
| pygi | sbalneav, but it is expensive. that's the whole point :P | 09:32 |
| pygi | sbalneav, problem I see with that is that nobody is willing/able to contribute to libburn, and nobody seems to be interested in sponsoring anything, but oh well :P | 09:33 |
| sbalneav | pygi: Yeah, but if you don't ASK, then you'll never know. | 09:33 |
| sbalneav | I'd say if you need all 15 books, chances are slim. If you need 1 book at $5k, then your chances get a lot better. | 09:34 |
| pygi | sbalneav, true ... for example both Joerg and Andy have access to prototype drives, spec drafts of new tech (that's how andy implemented blu ray already),etc, etc | 09:34 |
| pygi | I have none :P | 09:34 |
| sbalneav | Another possibility is contacting one of the drive manufacturers, and see if THEY'll sponser you with some prototypes, docs, etc. | 09:35 |
| sbalneav | I'm sure that's what Joerg did. | 09:35 |
| pygi | I thought of that already ... I don't think that can happen :P I'm no one important ^_^ | 09:35 |
| pygi | sbalneav, joerg just works for fraunhoffer :P | 09:35 |
| sbalneav | So, what, Joerg is? | 09:35 |
| pygi | that gives him instant power :P | 09:35 |
| sbalneav | Pshaw | 09:36 |
| sbalneav | I'm some administrator from Legal Aid Manitoba, and a guy who's been to freakin' SPACE flies ME all over the world to help HIM with his linux distro, | 09:36 |
| sbalneav | You're as important as you choose to make yourself. | 09:36 |
| sbalneav | Heck, I met KEN THOMPSON!!! | 09:37 |
| sbalneav | If I can do it, ANYONE can. | 09:37 |
| sbalneav | You can get a helluva lot of stuff in life by just askin' nice. :) | 09:38 |
| pygi | perhaps, but the drive vendors aren't willing to share much :P | 09:38 |
| sbalneav | But you haven't ASKED yet, so how do you know? | 09:38 |
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| sbalneav | What's a drive to a drive vendor? 20 bucks their cost? | 09:39 |
| pygi | sbalneav, dunno, but specs and prototypes are more important :P | 09:39 |
| pygi | sbalneav, I can try to ask vendors, but I don't even know who to ask or whatever | 09:43 |
| pygi | we'll see how the situation evolves | 09:43 |
| sbalneav | Well, get a list of exactly what you need first. | 09:44 |
| Burgwork | pygi: it isn't hard, just call up the customer support, explain what you want and bounce your way up the chain | 09:44 |
| sbalneav | Then, we'll start asking around. | 09:44 |
| Burgwork | I might be able to get you something as well | 09:45 |
| pygi | Burgwork, I can try, true | 09:46 |
| pygi | sbalneav, right, I'll have to write notes of what I need | 09:47 |
| pygi | once I get to write it down, we talk about which vendor to contact | 09:50 |
| pygi | LaserJock, how much are chem text-books? :P | 09:50 |
| LaserJock | $100-$150 generally | 09:50 |
| pygi | that's cheap if we compare to this books :P | 09:50 |
| LaserJock | mhm | 09:50 |
| pygi | but right, not cheap :P | 09:51 |
| pygi | I should get back to implementation, rather then talking :P | 09:56 |
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| Spec | hey ... I'm having some problems with my edgy-edubuntu server | 10:10 |
| Spec | I think it's nfs related...it boots, does dhcp/tftpboot, then it fails mounting /root | 10:11 |
| Spec | and drops me in a root shell, if I type: mount 192.168.42.254(server):/opt/ltsp/i386 /root | 10:11 |
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| Spec | I get: mount: RPC: Timed out\nmount: nfsmount failed: Bad file descriptor\nmount: Mounting 192.168.42.254:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /root failed: Invalid argument | 10:11 |
| Spec | and I get the same error on boot | 10:12 |
| Spec | anyone familiar with this issue? | 10:13 |
| Spec | !seen ogre | 10:21 |
| ubotu | I haven't seen ogre recently | 10:21 |
| LaserJock | ogre? | 10:22 |
| Spec | isn't ogre the main dev? | 10:22 |
| Spec | bah, ogra | 10:22 |
| Spec | spelling defeats me | 10:22 |
| RichEd | hi LaserJock sbalneav pygi mhz | 10:37 |
| pygi | hey RichEd | 10:37 |
| stgraber | hi | 10:38 |
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| RichEd | hi stgraber :) | 11:01 |
| mhz | hi RichEd, long time it has been | 11:03 |
| RichEd | yep ... busy at conference now ... another one last week ... and another one next week | 11:05 |
| pygi | RichEd, and one more later on =) | 11:06 |
| pygi | but brb ^_^ | 11:06 |
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