=== count [n=adam@ip70-160-46-196.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:39] Anybody around? [12:40] sure [12:41] hi! [12:41] hey :) [12:42] I work for a school district in Virginia, US, and we're looking at possibly donating a large # (thousands) of older desktop PC's to our more needy students [12:42] we're an inner-city/urban district, with about 80% of our kids getting free lunch [12:42] Currently the PC's all have Win95 or Win98 on them [12:42] I'm pushing to distribute edubuntu [12:43] almost none of them can handle XP, and 95/98 are old and unsupported anymore [12:43] well, you are going to want to go with Xubuntu [12:43] indeed [12:43] I would create a custom kickstart script that installed Xubuntu plus the educational apps [12:43] That's exactly what I was going to ask ;) [12:44] Kickstart is the preferred method of mass deploying ubuntu? [12:44] it is the sanest, yes [12:44] virtually all of these boxes have NICs, so that's not a problem [12:44] the Ubuntu kickstart is not exactly like the RH one [12:44] I assume there's wiki docs on ubuntu kickstart? [12:44] yes, somewhere [12:44] haha [12:46] a couple of concerns that were voiced were printer support and dialup internet support === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@64.140.73.92] has joined #edubuntu [12:46] printers are not a major issue [12:46] (although I'm trying to get the local cable co to donate reduced cost low-speed cable modems) [12:46] ok [12:46] I've got tons of linux server experience [12:46] but almost zilch on desktops [12:46] dialup is a beast [12:46] there are a few tools that Ubuntu doesn't ship by default to handle them [12:47] winmodems are a headache [12:47] hrm [12:47] Is there a compat. list of non-headache inducing stuff? [12:47] we can just distribute that and say 'buy one of these if you want one' [12:47] not really [12:47] there are no modems currently in any of the machines [12:47] haha [12:48] any external modem should work without issue right? [12:48] I would try and get some cable modem stuff [12:48] or is that no longer true [12:48] Yeah, I'm defnitely pushing that hard [12:48] ie: avoid dialup [12:48] how about DSL/PPPoE support? [12:48] is that part of netmanager? [12:48] pppoe can do that [12:49] not yet part of Network Manager [12:49] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KickstartCompatibility [12:50] I would have the systems auto update themselves [12:50] did much change with the edgy release? [12:50] no idea, sorry [12:50] I looked for newer manuals [12:50] I'll assume not :) [12:50] if so, I can update those docs as I figure out [12:51] Yeah, auto update is a definite [12:51] asking our lead dev right now [12:51] I would also get the kids involved [12:51] cheap labour [12:51] plus the amazing learning experience [12:51] I'm not certain how feasible that would be at this scale [12:51] although that's a good idea [12:51] with thousands, you are going to drown otherwise [12:51] we mgith do some 'family computer install nights' or something [12:52] where are the computers coming from [12:52] ? [12:52] the schools [12:52] we're upgrading [12:52] but the hardware still WORKS, it's just doesnt' meet our state requirements for 'viable' PCs [12:52] ah [12:52] has to have X ram, X cpu to run the state standardized testing applications [12:52] basically, XP capable PC's [12:52] of which, these arent :) [12:52] indeed [12:52] most only have 128MB of ram [12:53] although we might combine some so we can ship out 256MB of ram on some systems [12:53] I'm still loking at the logistics/numbers [12:53] you are going to have a bunch of dead hardware [12:53] yeah [12:53] well, we have that anyways [12:53] so you can cannabilize as needed [12:53] That's what Iw as thinking [12:54] machines need to be cleaned, tested and have their harddrives wiped === migi [i=migi@nat/sun/x-3089c966f40f1315] has joined #edubuntu [12:54] that is all stuff kids can do [12:54] by kids, I mean teenagers [12:54] Teenagers, or parents [12:54] both, actually [12:55] I bet I could get a decent draw for both, as a community outreach type thing [12:55] your going to need space, lots of it [12:55] I have 5 highschools :) [12:55] cafeterias seat hundreds at a time [12:55] the only problem is power and network cabling [12:55] heh [12:55] yes [12:55] but again, I can make that happen [12:55] a project of this size is likely to take some time [12:55] especially if we simply do a series of family nights [12:55] maybe months [12:56] do 50 or so a weekend for a few months [12:56] if you have a permanent space, you can do things at night, plus don't have to waste time setting up and tearing down [12:56] you will need to rent an air compressor [12:56] or find one === count crate of canned air [12:56] hahaha [12:58] have you talked to your local LUG or computer users group about space and volunteers? [12:58] not yet [12:58] they are good resources [12:58] I still have some more footwork to do within the district [12:58] Yeah, I know [12:58] also get the highschool CS teachers on board [12:58] that's who I was originally planning on using for installs [12:58] but the more I think about it [12:58] the more I like the family outreach thing [12:58] for a bunch of reasons [12:58] they have the skills to handle students/kids and have the interest [12:59] Done this before? [12:59] planned bits and pieces, dealt with kids [12:59] nothing as large a scale as you propose [12:59] ah [01:01] ok [01:01] I've got a bit to work with now [01:01] thanks for the ideas :) [01:02] time for dinner! [01:02] keep in touch [01:02] will do! === Amaranth_ [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [01:03] hey Amaranth_ [01:03] enjoy MTV? === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.49.220.69] has joined #edubuntu === migi [i=migi@nat/sun/x-6e79c4f0f50abd93] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ [n=ogra@adsl-69-232-218-170.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd [n=richard@12.43.60.50] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@ubuntu/member/hedgemage] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === migi [i=migi@nat/sun/x-83fc86b894bf9ba6] has joined #edubuntu === tideline [n=tideline@h69-130-138-225.69-130.unk.tds.net] has joined #edubuntu === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@64.140.73.93] has joined #edubuntu === flowrobot [n=flowbot@cor11-ppp2118.syd.dsl.connect.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [04:33] hi - is the edubuntu install cd (not the live one) the same as the ubuntu alternate cd? i need an install disc that doesn't use much RAM, like the ubuntu alternate cd ... [04:34] flowrobot: yes, it has a text mode installer like the ubuntu alternate [04:34] bimberi: thanks! [04:34] flowrobot: yw :) === flowrobot [n=flowbot@cor11-ppp2118.syd.dsl.connect.net.au] has left #edubuntu [] === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi_ [n=dave@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi_ is now known as bimberi === RichEd [n=richard@12.43.60.50] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [n=jean@mar44-2-82-227-215-241.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:14] morning RichEd and jbrefort [07:14] hi LaserJock === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === freet15 [n=freet15@61.49.220.69] has joined #edubuntu === jmg [n=jmg@cray.gaillourdet.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:16] hi [10:17] hey jack_wyt [10:17] jmg even :P [10:17] has anyone experience installing an edubuntu-server via debootstrap? [10:17] hi pygi [10:17] hi pygi [10:18] i am trying to install an edubuntu-server as a xen-domain therefore I cannot use the installer from the cd [10:19] do you guys have any idea what the installer is doing despite installing the packages? [10:19] jmg, haven't installed edu on xen, never [10:19] jmg, grub, setting up ltsp, bla bla/ [10:19] ? [10:19] xen itself is not the problem, [10:19] setting up ltsp? [10:19] what is there to do? [10:20] well, build client chroot, ta ta da etc? [10:21] how can i trigger the build of the chroot by hand [10:21] ? [10:22] pygi, thanks for your help so far [10:23] jmg, sudo ltsp-build-client? [10:23] then you need to reload the ssh keys for ltsp [10:24] perhaps, i was unsure what the differences between standard ltsp and edubuntu are [10:24] i will try that [10:25] oki ^_^ [10:25] thanks a lot [10:25] you are welcome :) === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.173.109] has joined #edubuntu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.49.220.69] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@137.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === zch [n=zach@213-229-48-187.sdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #edubuntu === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [12:58] grrr... [12:58] anyone know about jabber? [12:59] mines working :) (or was before) [12:59] Kamping_Kaiser: is that jabber? [01:00] cbx33, yes. but i can test now (its off atm) [01:00] I have a problem with the crypt libs I think [01:00] exec: 1: crypto_drv: not found [01:00] anyone heard of it [01:01] one ubuntu box is fine, the other doesn't work :( [01:01] :( i'mi not connected via cryp to any networks, so i cant help on taht [01:01] ok === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@66.244.123.100] has joined #edubuntu === jsgmobile [n=jsgmobil@121.97.196.127] has joined #edubuntu === freet15 [n=freet15@61.48.76.170] has joined #edubuntu === jsgmobile [n=jsgmobil@121.97.196.127] has joined #edubuntu === jsgmobile is now known as jsgotangco === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #edubuntu [03:45] Heya === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu [04:07] Morning all === RichEd [n=richard@12.43.60.50] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd-1 [i=richard@conference/canonical/x-12e0715e1b8eed7e] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [i=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu [06:24] hi [06:24] hey stgraber === stgraber was watching the Java licence change announcment [06:31] coool === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu [06:42] RichEd | sbalneav: ping [06:43] hello everyone [06:43] hi === zch [n=manuel@85-124-37-163.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #edubuntu [07:03] LaserJock: Pong [07:03] sbalneav: I need to you check over my spec in just one sec [07:03] Sure. [07:04] sbalneav: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDynamicMenus [07:04] Got it. I'm just doing a database dump at the moment, gimme about 15 minutes. === whiprush [n=jorge@d192-24-54-136.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEFD53.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.173.109] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEFA17.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@ubuntu/member/hedgemage] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [i=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [09:01] hey ogra and HedgeMage ^_^ === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEFA17.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:09] LaserJock: Looks cool [09:10] sbalneav, I know I'm gonna bother again, but do you by any chance have access to Rainbow books? :P === pygi knows he doesn't, but just has to ask :-/ [09:10] Rainbow books? [09:10] Is it a book chain? [09:10] sbalneav, collection of books with standards related to optical medias [09:11] No, I don't. Can these things be ordered at Amazon? === bimberi [n=dave@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [09:11] sbalneav, sadly not, and they cost quite a lot [09:11] Those books are way too important for me :'( [09:12] Got a link to where they CAN be purchased? === FunnyHat [n=david@64.140.73.93] has joined #edubuntu [09:12] You know, maybe you can apply to LinuxFund.org for funding to buy a copy of the books. [09:13] sbalneav, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Books [09:13] I doubt anybody would fund me [09:16] those books would help with development so much === pygi will stop now, and go back to implementation, sorry [09:18] Why wouldn't someone fund you? Heck, maybe canonical would do it. [09:19] sbalneav: I'm going to mark it for review [09:19] How much we talking here? $2000? [09:19] LaserJock: Mark away, big daddy-o [09:19] sbalneav, we're talking one book 5k$ if I'm not mistaken [09:19] sbalneav, but I have to look into it [09:22] pygi: Why don't you actually get some prices, and when you do, talk to me. You're doing something important to the community, so perhaps the community should pony up a little cash to help you out. Like I say, if it's not too expensive, Canonical may be willing to do it. === pygi [n=mario@83-131-4-80.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [09:30] sbalneav, sorry, network problems [09:30] pygi: Why don't you actually get some prices, and when you do, talk to me. You're doing something important to the community, so perhaps the community should pony up a little cash to help you out. Like I say, if it's not too expensive, Canonical may be willing to do it. [09:32] 5k for 1 book? and I thought chemistry textbooks were expensive ;-) [09:32] sbalneav, but it is expensive. that's the whole point :P [09:33] sbalneav, problem I see with that is that nobody is willing/able to contribute to libburn, and nobody seems to be interested in sponsoring anything, but oh well :P [09:33] pygi: Yeah, but if you don't ASK, then you'll never know. [09:34] I'd say if you need all 15 books, chances are slim. If you need 1 book at $5k, then your chances get a lot better. [09:34] sbalneav, true ... for example both Joerg and Andy have access to prototype drives, spec drafts of new tech (that's how andy implemented blu ray already),etc, etc [09:34] I have none :P [09:35] Another possibility is contacting one of the drive manufacturers, and see if THEY'll sponser you with some prototypes, docs, etc. [09:35] I'm sure that's what Joerg did. [09:35] I thought of that already ... I don't think that can happen :P I'm no one important ^_^ [09:35] sbalneav, joerg just works for fraunhoffer :P [09:35] So, what, Joerg is? [09:35] that gives him instant power :P [09:36] Pshaw [09:36] I'm some administrator from Legal Aid Manitoba, and a guy who's been to freakin' SPACE flies ME all over the world to help HIM with his linux distro, [09:36] You're as important as you choose to make yourself. [09:37] Heck, I met KEN THOMPSON!!! [09:37] If I can do it, ANYONE can. [09:38] You can get a helluva lot of stuff in life by just askin' nice. :) [09:38] perhaps, but the drive vendors aren't willing to share much :P [09:38] But you haven't ASKED yet, so how do you know? === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [09:39] What's a drive to a drive vendor? 20 bucks their cost? [09:39] sbalneav, dunno, but specs and prototypes are more important :P [09:43] sbalneav, I can try to ask vendors, but I don't even know who to ask or whatever [09:43] we'll see how the situation evolves [09:44] Well, get a list of exactly what you need first. [09:44] pygi: it isn't hard, just call up the customer support, explain what you want and bounce your way up the chain [09:44] Then, we'll start asking around. [09:45] I might be able to get you something as well [09:46] Burgwork, I can try, true [09:47] sbalneav, right, I'll have to write notes of what I need [09:50] once I get to write it down, we talk about which vendor to contact [09:50] LaserJock, how much are chem text-books? :P [09:50] $100-$150 generally [09:50] that's cheap if we compare to this books :P [09:50] mhm [09:51] but right, not cheap :P [09:56] I should get back to implementation, rather then talking :P === spec [n=spec@ffzrouter.yorktown.arlington.k12.va.us] has joined #edubuntu === Spec [n=spec@ubuntu/member/spec] has joined #edubuntu [10:10] hey ... I'm having some problems with my edgy-edubuntu server [10:11] I think it's nfs related...it boots, does dhcp/tftpboot, then it fails mounting /root [10:11] and drops me in a root shell, if I type: mount 192.168.42.254(server):/opt/ltsp/i386 /root === mhz [n=andres@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #edubuntu [10:11] I get: mount: RPC: Timed out\nmount: nfsmount failed: Bad file descriptor\nmount: Mounting 192.168.42.254:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /root failed: Invalid argument [10:12] and I get the same error on boot [10:13] anyone familiar with this issue? [10:21] !seen ogre [10:21] I haven't seen ogre recently [10:22] ogre? [10:22] isn't ogre the main dev? [10:22] bah, ogra [10:22] spelling defeats me [10:37] hi LaserJock sbalneav pygi mhz [10:37] hey RichEd [10:38] hi === whiprush_ [n=jorge@d192-24-54-136.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #edubuntu === cafuego is fairly sure you don't want to mount it on /root anyway [11:01] hi stgraber :) [11:03] hi RichEd, long time it has been [11:05] yep ... busy at conference now ... another one last week ... and another one next week [11:06] RichEd, and one more later on =) [11:06] but brb ^_^ === ogra [i=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === mario_ [n=mario@83-131-79-132.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === mario_ is now known as pygi === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=mario@83-131-14-39.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [i=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu