[12:39] <count> Anybody around?
[12:40] <pygi> sure
[12:41] <count> hi!
[12:41] <pygi> hey :)
[12:42] <count> I work for a school district in Virginia, US, and we're looking at possibly donating a large # (thousands) of older desktop PC's to our more needy students
[12:42] <count> we're an inner-city/urban district, with about 80% of our kids getting free lunch
[12:42] <count> Currently the PC's all have Win95 or Win98 on them
[12:42] <count> I'm pushing to distribute edubuntu
[12:43] <count> almost none of them can handle XP, and 95/98 are old and unsupported anymore
[12:43] <Burgwork> well, you are going to want to go with Xubuntu
[12:43] <pygi> indeed
[12:43] <Burgwork> I would create a custom kickstart script that installed Xubuntu plus the educational apps
[12:43] <count> That's exactly what I was going to ask ;)
[12:44] <count> Kickstart is the preferred method of mass deploying ubuntu?
[12:44] <Burgwork> it is the sanest, yes
[12:44] <count> virtually all of these boxes have NICs, so that's not a problem
[12:44] <Burgwork> the Ubuntu kickstart is not exactly like the RH one
[12:44] <count> I assume there's wiki docs on ubuntu kickstart?
[12:44] <Burgwork> yes, somewhere
[12:44] <count> haha
[12:46] <count> a couple of concerns that were voiced were printer support and dialup internet support
[12:46] <Burgwork> printers are not a major issue
[12:46] <count> (although I'm trying to get the local cable co to donate reduced cost low-speed cable modems)
[12:46] <count> ok
[12:46] <count> I've got tons of linux server experience
[12:46] <count> but almost zilch on desktops
[12:46] <Burgwork> dialup is a beast
[12:46] <Burgwork> there are a few tools that Ubuntu doesn't ship by default to handle them
[12:47] <Burgwork> winmodems are a headache
[12:47] <count> hrm
[12:47] <count> Is there a compat. list of non-headache inducing stuff?
[12:47] <count> we can just distribute that and say 'buy one of these if you want one'
[12:47] <Burgwork> not really
[12:47] <count> there are no modems currently in any of the machines
[12:47] <count> haha
[12:48] <count> any external modem should work without issue right?
[12:48] <Burgwork> I would try and get some cable modem stuff
[12:48] <count> or is that no longer true
[12:48] <count> Yeah, I'm defnitely pushing that hard
[12:48] <Burgwork> ie: avoid dialup
[12:48] <count> how about DSL/PPPoE support?
[12:48] <count> is that part of netmanager?
[12:48] <Burgwork> pppoe can do that
[12:49] <Burgwork> not yet part of Network Manager
[12:49] <Burgwork> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KickstartCompatibility
[12:50] <Burgwork> I would have the systems auto update themselves
[12:50] <count> did much change with the edgy release?
[12:50] <Burgwork> no idea, sorry
[12:50] <Burgwork> I looked for newer manuals
[12:50] <count> I'll assume not :)
[12:50] <count> if so, I can update those docs as I figure out
[12:51] <count> Yeah, auto update is a definite
[12:51] <Burgwork> asking our lead dev right now
[12:51] <Burgwork> I would also get the kids involved
[12:51] <Burgwork> cheap labour
[12:51] <Burgwork> plus the amazing learning experience
[12:51] <count> I'm not certain how feasible that would be at this scale
[12:51] <count> although that's a good idea
[12:51] <Burgwork> with thousands, you are going to drown otherwise
[12:51] <count> we mgith do some 'family computer install nights' or something
[12:52] <Burgwork> where are the computers coming from
[12:52] <Burgwork> ?
[12:52] <count> the schools
[12:52] <count> we're upgrading
[12:52] <count> but the hardware still WORKS, it's just doesnt' meet our state requirements for 'viable' PCs
[12:52] <Burgwork> ah
[12:52] <count> has to have X ram, X cpu to run the state standardized testing applications
[12:52] <count> basically, XP capable PC's
[12:52] <count> of which, these arent :)
[12:52] <Burgwork> indeed
[12:52] <count> most only have 128MB of ram
[12:53] <count> although we might combine some so we can ship out 256MB of ram on some systems
[12:53] <count> I'm still loking at the logistics/numbers
[12:53] <Burgwork> you are going to have a bunch of dead hardware
[12:53] <count> yeah
[12:53] <count> well, we have that anyways
[12:53] <Burgwork> so you can cannabilize as needed
[12:53] <count> That's what Iw as thinking
[12:54] <Burgwork> machines need to be cleaned, tested and have their harddrives wiped
[12:54] <Burgwork> that is all stuff kids can do
[12:54] <Burgwork> by kids, I mean teenagers
[12:54] <count> Teenagers, or parents
[12:54] <Burgwork> both, actually
[12:55] <count> I bet I could get a decent draw for both, as a community outreach type thing
[12:55] <Burgwork> your going to need space, lots of it
[12:55] <count> I have 5 highschools :)
[12:55] <count> cafeterias seat hundreds at a time
[12:55] <count> the only problem is power and network cabling
[12:55] <count> heh
[12:55] <Burgwork> yes
[12:55] <count> but again, I can make that happen
[12:55] <Burgwork> a project of this size is likely to take some time
[12:55] <count> especially if we simply do a series of family nights
[12:55] <Burgwork> maybe months
[12:56] <count> do 50 or so a weekend for a few months
[12:56] <Burgwork> if you have a permanent space, you can do things at night, plus don't have to waste time setting up and tearing down
[12:56] <Burgwork> you will need to rent an air compressor
[12:56] <Burgwork> or find one
[12:56] <count> hahaha
[12:58] <Burgwork> have you talked to your local LUG or computer users group about space and volunteers?
[12:58] <count> not yet
[12:58] <Burgwork> they are good resources
[12:58] <count> I still have some more footwork to do within the district
[12:58] <count> Yeah, I know
[12:58] <Burgwork> also get the highschool CS teachers on board
[12:58] <count> that's who I was originally planning on using for installs
[12:58] <count> but the more I think about it
[12:58] <count> the more I like the family outreach thing
[12:58] <count> for a bunch of reasons
[12:58] <Burgwork> they have the skills to handle students/kids and have the interest
[12:59] <count> Done this before? 
[12:59] <Burgwork> planned bits and pieces, dealt with kids
[12:59] <Burgwork> nothing as large a scale as you propose
[12:59] <count> ah
[01:01] <count> ok
[01:01] <count> I've got a bit to work with now
[01:01] <count> thanks for the ideas :)
[01:02] <count> time for dinner!
[01:02] <Burgwork> keep in touch
[01:02] <count> will do!
[01:03] <Burgwork> hey Amaranth_
[01:03] <Burgwork> enjoy MTV?
[04:33] <flowrobot> hi - is the edubuntu install cd (not the live one) the same as the ubuntu alternate cd? i need an install disc that doesn't use much RAM, like the ubuntu alternate cd ...
[04:34] <bimberi> flowrobot: yes, it has a text mode installer like the ubuntu alternate
[04:34] <flowrobot> bimberi: thanks!
[04:34] <bimberi> flowrobot: yw :)
[07:14] <LaserJock> morning RichEd and jbrefort 
[07:14] <jbrefort> hi LaserJock 
[10:16] <jmg> hi
[10:17] <pygi> hey jack_wyt 
[10:17] <pygi> jmg even :P
[10:17] <jmg> has anyone experience installing an edubuntu-server via debootstrap? 
[10:17] <jmg> hi pygi
[10:17] <jack_wyt> hi pygi
[10:18] <jmg> i am trying to install an edubuntu-server as a xen-domain therefore I cannot use the installer from the cd
[10:19] <jmg> do you guys have any idea what the installer is doing despite installing the packages?
[10:19] <pygi> jmg, haven't installed edu on xen, never
[10:19] <pygi> jmg, grub, setting up ltsp, bla bla/
[10:19] <pygi> ?
[10:19] <jmg> xen itself is not the problem,
[10:19] <jmg> setting up ltsp? 
[10:19] <jmg> what is there to do?
[10:20] <pygi> well, build client chroot, ta ta da etc?
[10:21] <jmg> how can i trigger the build of the chroot by hand
[10:21] <jmg> ?
[10:22] <jmg> pygi, thanks for your help so far
[10:23] <pygi> jmg, sudo ltsp-build-client?
[10:23] <pygi> then you need to reload the ssh keys for ltsp
[10:24] <jmg> perhaps, i was unsure what the differences between standard ltsp and edubuntu are
[10:24] <jmg> i will try that
[10:25] <pygi> oki ^_^
[10:25] <jmg> thanks a lot
[10:25] <pygi> you are welcome :)
[12:58] <cbx33> grrr...
[12:58] <cbx33> anyone know about jabber?
[12:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> mines working :) (or was before)
[12:59] <cbx33> Kamping_Kaiser: is that jabber?
[01:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> cbx33, yes. but i can test now (its off atm)
[01:00] <cbx33> I have a problem with the crypt libs I think
[01:00] <cbx33> exec: 1: crypto_drv: not found
[01:00] <cbx33> anyone heard of it
[01:01] <cbx33> one ubuntu box is fine, the other doesn't work :(
[01:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> :( i'mi not connected via cryp to any networks, so i cant help on taht
[01:01] <cbx33> ok
[03:45] <bddebian> Heya
[04:07] <sbalneav> Morning all
[06:24] <stgraber> hi
[06:24] <cbx33> hey stgraber 
[06:31] <cbx33> coool
[06:42] <LaserJock> RichEd | sbalneav: ping
[06:43] <pygi> hello everyone
[06:43] <stgraber> hi
[07:03] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Pong
[07:03] <LaserJock> sbalneav: I need to you check over my spec in just one sec
[07:03] <sbalneav> Sure.
[07:04] <LaserJock> sbalneav: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDynamicMenus
[07:04] <sbalneav> Got it.  I'm just doing a database dump at the moment, gimme about 15 minutes.
[09:01] <pygi> hey ogra and HedgeMage  ^_^
[09:09] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Looks cool
[09:10] <pygi> sbalneav, I know I'm gonna bother again, but do you by any chance have access to Rainbow books? :P
[09:10] <sbalneav> Rainbow books?
[09:10] <sbalneav> Is it a book chain?
[09:10] <pygi> sbalneav, collection of books with standards related to optical medias
[09:11] <sbalneav> No, I don't.  Can these things be ordered at Amazon?
[09:11] <pygi> sbalneav, sadly not, and they cost quite a lot
[09:11] <pygi> Those books are way too important for me :'(
[09:12] <sbalneav> Got a link to where they CAN be purchased?
[09:12] <sbalneav> You know, maybe you can apply to LinuxFund.org for funding to buy a copy of the books.
[09:13] <pygi> sbalneav, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Books
[09:13] <pygi> I doubt anybody would fund me
[09:16] <pygi> those books would help with development so much
[09:18] <sbalneav> Why wouldn't someone fund you?  Heck, maybe canonical would do it.
[09:19] <LaserJock> sbalneav: I'm going to mark it for review
[09:19] <sbalneav> How much we talking here?  $2000?
[09:19] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Mark away, big daddy-o
[09:19] <pygi> sbalneav, we're talking one book 5k$ if I'm not mistaken
[09:19] <pygi> sbalneav, but I have to look into it
[09:22] <sbalneav> pygi: Why don't you actually get some prices, and when you do, talk to me.  You're doing something important to the community, so perhaps the community should pony up a little cash to help you out.  Like I say, if it's not too expensive, Canonical may be willing to do it.
[09:30] <pygi> sbalneav, sorry, network problems
[09:30] <sbalneav> pygi: Why don't you actually get some prices, and when you do, talk to me.  You're doing something important to the community, so perhaps the community should pony up a little cash to help you out.  Like I say, if it's not too expensive, Canonical may be willing to do it.
[09:32] <LaserJock> 5k for 1 book? and I thought chemistry textbooks were expensive ;-)
[09:32] <pygi> sbalneav, but it is expensive. that's the whole point :P
[09:33] <pygi> sbalneav, problem I see with that is that nobody is willing/able to contribute to libburn, and nobody seems to be interested in sponsoring anything, but oh well :P
[09:33] <sbalneav> pygi: Yeah, but if you don't ASK, then you'll never know.
[09:34] <sbalneav> I'd say if you need all 15 books, chances are slim.  If you need 1 book at $5k, then your chances get a lot better.
[09:34] <pygi> sbalneav, true ... for example both Joerg and Andy have access to prototype drives, spec drafts of new tech (that's how andy implemented blu ray already),etc, etc
[09:34] <pygi> I have none :P
[09:35] <sbalneav> Another possibility is contacting one of the drive manufacturers, and see if THEY'll sponser you with some prototypes, docs, etc.
[09:35] <sbalneav> I'm sure that's what Joerg did.
[09:35] <pygi> I thought of that already ... I don't think that can happen :P I'm no one important ^_^
[09:35] <pygi> sbalneav, joerg just works for fraunhoffer :P
[09:35] <sbalneav> So, what, Joerg is?
[09:35] <pygi> that gives him instant power :P
[09:36] <sbalneav> Pshaw
[09:36] <sbalneav> I'm some administrator from Legal Aid Manitoba, and a guy who's been to freakin' SPACE flies ME all over the world to help HIM with his linux distro,
[09:36] <sbalneav> You're as important as you choose to make yourself.
[09:37] <sbalneav> Heck, I met KEN THOMPSON!!!
[09:37] <sbalneav> If I can do it, ANYONE can.
[09:38] <sbalneav> You can get a helluva lot of stuff in life by just askin' nice. :)
[09:38] <pygi> perhaps, but the drive vendors aren't willing to share much :P
[09:38] <sbalneav> But you haven't ASKED yet, so how do you know?
[09:39] <sbalneav> What's a drive to a drive vendor? 20 bucks their cost?
[09:39] <pygi> sbalneav, dunno, but specs and prototypes are more important :P
[09:43] <pygi> sbalneav, I can try to ask vendors, but I don't even know who to ask or whatever
[09:43] <pygi> we'll see how the situation evolves
[09:44] <sbalneav> Well, get a list of exactly what you need first.
[09:44] <Burgwork> pygi: it isn't hard, just call up the customer support, explain what you want and bounce your way up the chain
[09:44] <sbalneav> Then, we'll start asking around.
[09:45] <Burgwork> I might be able to get you something as well
[09:46] <pygi> Burgwork, I can try, true
[09:47] <pygi> sbalneav, right, I'll have to write notes of what I need
[09:50] <pygi> once I get to write it down, we talk about which vendor to contact
[09:50] <pygi> LaserJock, how much are chem text-books? :P
[09:50] <LaserJock> $100-$150 generally
[09:50] <pygi> that's cheap if we compare to this books :P
[09:50] <LaserJock> mhm
[09:51] <pygi> but right, not cheap :P
[09:56] <pygi> I should get back to implementation, rather then talking :P
[10:10] <Spec> hey ... I'm having some problems with my edgy-edubuntu server
[10:11] <Spec> I think it's nfs related...it boots, does dhcp/tftpboot, then it fails mounting /root
[10:11] <Spec> and drops me in a root shell, if I type: mount 192.168.42.254(server):/opt/ltsp/i386 /root
[10:11] <Spec> I get: mount: RPC: Timed out\nmount: nfsmount failed: Bad file descriptor\nmount: Mounting 192.168.42.254:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /root failed: Invalid argument
[10:12] <Spec> and I get the same error on boot
[10:13] <Spec> anyone familiar with this issue?
[10:21] <Spec> !seen ogre
[10:21] <ubotu> I haven't seen ogre recently
[10:22] <LaserJock> ogre?
[10:22] <Spec> isn't ogre the main dev?
[10:22] <Spec> bah, ogra
[10:22] <Spec> spelling defeats me
[10:37] <RichEd> hi LaserJock sbalneav pygi mhz 
[10:37] <pygi> hey RichEd 
[10:38] <stgraber> hi
[11:01] <RichEd> hi stgraber :)
[11:03] <mhz> hi RichEd, long time it has been
[11:05] <RichEd> yep ... busy at conference now ... another one last week ... and another one next week 
[11:06] <pygi> RichEd, and one more later on =)
[11:06] <pygi> but brb ^_^